Continental’s latest concept tire adjusts tread to meet the conditions

It’s remarkable but true that most of the cars in any given carpark have incorrectly inflated or damaged tires. Humans are apparently smart enough to earn a spare $20,000+ to buy a car, but not clever enough to monitor the functionality of one of the most important parts of that car – the tires. Hence, Continental’s new concept tire makes a lot of sense as it monitors and reports on its health and can tailor its characteristics to prevailing road conditions.

I find it extremely tiring to see tyre spelt tire.

bucolic3401 said:

I find it extremely tiring to see tyre spelt tire.

So unused to seeing it I read the thread title as fire.

I’d like to fit a sensor that detects dry, wet, snow and ice road conditions.

They hinted they were developing one

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’d like to fit a sensor that detects dry, wet, snow and ice road conditions.

They hinted they were developing one

Its really the ice sensor one I want.

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’d like to fit a sensor that detects dry, wet, snow and ice road conditions.

They hinted they were developing one

Its really the ice sensor one I want.

Yeah but it needs to be out in front of you where your eyes are looking.

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

Useless.

You have eyes and an accelerator foot that should be in the slow mode if you are driving amongst macropods.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’d like to fit a sensor that detects dry, wet, snow and ice road conditions.

They hinted they were developing one

Its really the ice sensor one I want.

Yeah but it needs to be out in front of you where your eyes are looking.

If they can detect ice on other planets then out in front of the car should be easy.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

Useless.

You have eyes and an accelerator foot that should be in the slow mode if you are driving amongst macropods.

Why useless?

A computerized camera could detect animal movement before most people could.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Its really the ice sensor one I want.

Yeah but it needs to be out in front of you where your eyes are looking.

If they can detect ice on other planets then out in front of the car should be easy.

They’ll want to be getting the messages back a bit quicker.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

Useless.

You have eyes and an accelerator foot that should be in the slow mode if you are driving amongst macropods.

Why useless?

A computerized camera could detect animal movement before most people could.

Yes but a kangaroo? The computer would probably crash before it could figure out what the roo was going to do.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah but it needs to be out in front of you where your eyes are looking.

If they can detect ice on other planets then out in front of the car should be easy.

They’ll want to be getting the messages back a bit quicker.

Spectroscope information flows in all the time, it does not have to go there and back.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Useless.

You have eyes and an accelerator foot that should be in the slow mode if you are driving amongst macropods.

Why useless?

A computerized camera could detect animal movement before most people could.

Yes but a kangaroo? The computer would probably crash before it could figure out what the roo was going to do.

We have technology that can scan the stars in the skies for change.

If something of a different color (and shape) to the grass moves it becomes easily detectable.

They have tech that can do that stuff now.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why useless?

A computerized camera could detect animal movement before most people could.

Yes but a kangaroo? The computer would probably crash before it could figure out what the roo was going to do.

We have technology that can scan the stars in the skies for change.

If something of a different color (and shape) to the grass moves it becomes easily detectable.

They have tech that can do that stuff now.

OK. If you say so but colour me sceptical.

Why am I seeing this advertisement?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but a kangaroo? The computer would probably crash before it could figure out what the roo was going to do.

We have technology that can scan the stars in the skies for change.

If something of a different color (and shape) to the grass moves it becomes easily detectable.

They have tech that can do that stuff now.

OK. If you say so but colour me sceptical.

Sure, its early days in this field, self driving cars and technology making decisions, the technology making those decisions is still based on algorithms that are created by available information, and where more information leads to better algorithms .

Sonar and radar send waves out which then bounce back. and yes these are used on self driving cars but they take timing and speed into account and such.

But light information is one way coming in, light coming into ones eye and light coming into a camera, same thing, so processing it via a spectrograph is way faster than other methods.

I see a strong industry evolving in environment / perception detection covering many overlapping fields.

dv said:

Why am I seeing this advertisement?

A chat about tech in tyres.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

We have technology that can scan the stars in the skies for change.

If something of a different color (and shape) to the grass moves it becomes easily detectable.

They have tech that can do that stuff now.

OK. If you say so but colour me sceptical.

Sure, its early days in this field, self driving cars and technology making decisions, the technology making those decisions is still based on algorithms that are created by available information, and where more information leads to better algorithms .

Sonar and radar send waves out which then bounce back. and yes these are used on self driving cars but they take timing and speed into account and such.

But light information is one way coming in, light coming into ones eye and light coming into a camera, same thing, so processing it via a spectrograph is way faster than other methods.

I see a strong industry evolving in environment / perception detection covering many overlapping fields.

But kangaroos are likely to be last on the success list.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Why am I seeing this advertisement?

A chat about tech in tyres.

eyes tires

I think this industry is not evolving fast enough, it needs a good global injection.

Eyes for drones, cars, robots, blind people, anything plus the visual processing system and storing systems that goes with it.

Sensing technology covers the entire frequency spectrum.

It would be good to see industry growth in this area.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

OK. If you say so but colour me sceptical.

Sure, its early days in this field, self driving cars and technology making decisions, the technology making those decisions is still based on algorithms that are created by available information, and where more information leads to better algorithms .

Sonar and radar send waves out which then bounce back. and yes these are used on self driving cars but they take timing and speed into account and such.

But light information is one way coming in, light coming into ones eye and light coming into a camera, same thing, so processing it via a spectrograph is way faster than other methods.

I see a strong industry evolving in environment / perception detection covering many overlapping fields.

But kangaroos are likely to be last on the success list.

ok as I said its early days

this article goes into some detail

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos

They have algorithms worked out for deer, elk and caribou and I would think also for cats and dogs cattle sheep etc

But roos move in a different way but that’s not an unsolvable problem.

A detailed systems analyse would provide a usable algorithm, just one with more curve projections etc

Its doable.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Sure, its early days in this field, self driving cars and technology making decisions, the technology making those decisions is still based on algorithms that are created by available information, and where more information leads to better algorithms .

Sonar and radar send waves out which then bounce back. and yes these are used on self driving cars but they take timing and speed into account and such.

But light information is one way coming in, light coming into ones eye and light coming into a camera, same thing, so processing it via a spectrograph is way faster than other methods.

I see a strong industry evolving in environment / perception detection covering many overlapping fields.

But kangaroos are likely to be last on the success list.

ok as I said its early days

this article goes into some detail

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos

They have algorithms worked out for deer, elk and caribou and I would think also for cats and dogs cattle sheep etc

But roos move in a different way but that’s not an unsolvable problem.

A detailed systems analyse would provide a usable algorithm, just one with more curve projections etc

Its doable.

You can solve the problem with kangaroos easily. Put out one of their eyes.

Otherwise they are virtually unpredictable within the nanoseconds computers need to decide to act in.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

But kangaroos are likely to be last on the success list.

ok as I said its early days

this article goes into some detail

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos

They have algorithms worked out for deer, elk and caribou and I would think also for cats and dogs cattle sheep etc

But roos move in a different way but that’s not an unsolvable problem.

A detailed systems analyse would provide a usable algorithm, just one with more curve projections etc

Its doable.

You can solve the problem with kangaroos easily. Put out one of their eyes.

Otherwise they are virtually unpredictable within the nanoseconds computers need to decide to act in.

Far and away, make noise. The kangaroo will hear you and make decisions. Drive with infrared light at night. Kangaroos will not jump into your headlights if you turn them off. You are far more likley to hit an Aberdeen Angus though.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

But kangaroos are likely to be last on the success list.

ok as I said its early days

this article goes into some detail

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos

They have algorithms worked out for deer, elk and caribou and I would think also for cats and dogs cattle sheep etc

But roos move in a different way but that’s not an unsolvable problem.

A detailed systems analyse would provide a usable algorithm, just one with more curve projections etc

Its doable.

You can solve the problem with kangaroos easily. Put out one of their eyes.

Otherwise they are virtually unpredictable within the nanoseconds computers need to decide to act in.

Yes they do move in certain ways, but all animals have that unpredictability, which the algorithms take into account on the fly.

The processing is fast, military tech in this field exists.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

ok as I said its early days

this article goes into some detail

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos

Volvo admits its self-driving cars are confused by kangaroos
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/volvo-admits-its-self-driving-cars-are-confused-by-kangaroos

They have algorithms worked out for deer, elk and caribou and I would think also for cats and dogs cattle sheep etc

But roos move in a different way but that’s not an unsolvable problem.

A detailed systems analyse would provide a usable algorithm, just one with more curve projections etc

Its doable.

You can solve the problem with kangaroos easily. Put out one of their eyes.

Otherwise they are virtually unpredictable within the nanoseconds computers need to decide to act in.

Far and away, make noise. The kangaroo will hear you and make decisions. Drive with infrared light at night. Kangaroos will not jump into your headlights if you turn them off. You are far more likley to hit an Aberdeen Angus though.

I slowly drove through 1000 head of cattle on one of NSW back roads, at walking speed, they all understood to get out of the way, yes, kangaroos are a bit tricky, I still think its solvable.

from the link
“We are developing a car that can recognise kangaroos,” he said.

I hope it works so that both car and kangaroo can go about their business.

I’ll have that as well as the black ice detector.

Tau.Neutrino said:

from the link
“We are developing a car that can recognise kangaroos,” he said.

I hope it works so that both car and kangaroo can go about their business.

They’ll be developing it for a good while yet.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’ll have that as well as the black ice detector.

Possibly a retarding governor that senses the cold.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

from the link
“We are developing a car that can recognise kangaroos,” he said.

I hope it works so that both car and kangaroo can go about their business.

They’ll be developing it for a good while yet.

Wonders how they will present the information

“kangaroo coming up on left slow down to 40kmh “

some projected pointer on the windscreen?

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

from the link
“We are developing a car that can recognise kangaroos,” he said.

I hope it works so that both car and kangaroo can go about their business.

They’ll be developing it for a good while yet.

Wonders how they will present the information

“kangaroo coming up on left slow down to 40kmh “

some projected pointer on the windscreen?

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’ll have that as well as the black ice detector.

Possibly a retarding governor that senses the cold.

You will be able to buy one in a few years or sooner.

They are tiny sensors for everything these days and they are getting smaller as well.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I’ll have that as well as the black ice detector.

Possibly a retarding governor that senses the cold.

You will be able to buy one in a few years or sooner.

They are tiny sensors for everything these days and they are getting smaller as well.

Well they aren’t behind the wheels of cars on the roads with me.

When it is cold enough with fog dense enough to see no more than the one white line strip at a time, why are people overtaking you at 120+?

By retarding governer sensing cold temperatures, if the temperature coming off the road ahead is cold enough, your car simply slows down and it works against any attempts you make to speed up.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

They’ll be developing it for a good while yet.

Wonders how they will present the information

“kangaroo coming up on left slow down to 40kmh “

some projected pointer on the windscreen?

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Wonders how they will present the information

“kangaroo coming up on left slow down to 40kmh “

some projected pointer on the windscreen?

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

For drivers with mobile phones as well.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Wonders how they will present the information

“kangaroo coming up on left slow down to 40kmh “

some projected pointer on the windscreen?

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

“Kangaroo on your left NOW”, is the one people dont want to hear.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

For drivers with mobile phones as well.

ring ring. .. hello? fuck you idiot you just ran into a kangaroo.

Tau.Neutrino said:

“Kangaroo on your left NOW”, is the one people dont want to hear.

I knew a bloke I hated to have in the car as he’d say, “turn left here” after there was no room left to turn.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

Yes either a visual or auditory system or both.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

Yes either a visual or auditory system or both.

Auditory is difficult but visual is as easy as seeing the kangaroo yourself which is rather difficult if you are only concerned with the road itself.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

Yes either a visual or auditory system or both.

A free wifi system could pass animal road information to on coming or up coming cars

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

never heard of pace notes?

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

Yes either a visual or auditory system or both.

Auditory is difficult but visual is as easy as seeing the kangaroo yourself which is rather difficult if you are only concerned with the road itself.

Cameras see across the whole visual plane and 360

Their ability to process peripheral visual information is faster and more detailed.

Military robots and drones also have this ability on field.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

never heard of pace notes?

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

A person I know, walking along with her local mob of roos at night, was shot by a roo shooter. So you really need a sensor that can detect a person.

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

never heard of pace notes?

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

never heard of pace notes?

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

they don’t use hand signals. period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLotUOvO9A

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

never heard of pace notes?

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

yeah. it just doesn’t happen.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

A person I know, walking along with her local mob of roos at night, was shot by a roo shooter. So you really need a sensor that can detect a person.

scary shit.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Continental’s latest concept tire adjusts tread to meet the conditions

It’s remarkable but true that most of the cars in any given carpark have incorrectly inflated or damaged tires. Humans are apparently smart enough to earn a spare $20,000+ to buy a car, but not clever enough to monitor the functionality of one of the most important parts of that car – the tires.

Tyres are overdesigned to hell. They are designed for motor racing speeds, not for Aussie road speeds. As a result, incorrect inflation and minor damage is no more of a concern than flaws in a house brick or a four by two.

The real problem is impact with a kerb at speed or driving over a broken glass bottle.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

they don’t use hand signals. period.

off road racers? Did you read my post in it’s entirety?

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

yeah. it just doesn’t happen.

navigator’s job description..

sit still, read pace notes… occasionally change radio station, open beverages.
open gates, change tyres…no more, no less…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

also just think, you’re driving down a dirt track at 200kph and you are watching your navigators hands? yeah sure. that’s why they have an intercom so the nav can read the pace notes to the driver.

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Continental’s latest concept tire adjusts tread to meet the conditions

It’s remarkable but true that most of the cars in any given carpark have incorrectly inflated or damaged tires. Humans are apparently smart enough to earn a spare $20,000+ to buy a car, but not clever enough to monitor the functionality of one of the most important parts of that car – the tires.

Tyres are overdesigned to hell. They are designed for motor racing speeds, not for Aussie road speeds. As a result, incorrect inflation and minor damage is no more of a concern than flaws in a house brick or a four by two.

The real problem is impact with a kerb at speed or driving over a broken glass bottle.

>>They are designed for motor racing speeds

umm… you don’t know much about tyres, do you…

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

The camera will see the Kangaroo’s for next 15 Kilometres sign and slow to 60 kmph. If any kangaroo is detected, party whistles will be deployed and lights turned to fog lights.

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

what this post, roughie? yes i did read it in its entirety. and what is your point then?

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

I’m not here for arguing your points. When your navigator puts the hand signal in front of your eyes it is impossible to miss.

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

most off roaders I know agree that the system is: a punch to the face if the navigator makes any distracting gestures whilst the vehicle is at speed

Stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Continental’s latest concept tire adjusts tread to meet the conditions

It’s remarkable but true that most of the cars in any given carpark have incorrectly inflated or damaged tires. Humans are apparently smart enough to earn a spare $20,000+ to buy a car, but not clever enough to monitor the functionality of one of the most important parts of that car – the tires.

Tyres are overdesigned to hell. They are designed for motor racing speeds, not for Aussie road speeds. As a result, incorrect inflation and minor damage is no more of a concern than flaws in a house brick or a four by two.

The real problem is impact with a kerb at speed or driving over a broken glass bottle.

>>They are designed for motor racing speeds

umm… you don’t know much about tyres, do you…

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

it’s no wonder he took out a fence and a carwash…

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tyres are overdesigned to hell. They are designed for motor racing speeds, not for Aussie road speeds. As a result, incorrect inflation and minor damage is no more of a concern than flaws in a house brick or a four by two.

The real problem is impact with a kerb at speed or driving over a broken glass bottle.

>>They are designed for motor racing speeds

umm… you don’t know much about tyres, do you…

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Not if it was an agreed system.

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

it’s no wonder he took out a fence and a carwash…

if he’d just had a nav to distract him….

• if he’d just had a nav to distract him….

Or to tell him to turn…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

>>They are designed for motor racing speeds

umm… you don’t know much about tyres, do you…

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A sensor that can detect kangaroo, wallaby, wombat movement would be great too.

A person I know, walking along with her local mob of roos at night, was shot by a roo shooter. So you really need a sensor that can detect a person.

A sensor that has edge mapping detection, movement tracing, compares information from a wide database along with other optical information assessing.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

>>They are designed for motor racing speeds

umm… you don’t know much about tyres, do you…

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

mine has “suitable for old person driving”.

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

mine has “suitable for old person driving”.

I have ‘ludicrous speed’ on mine…

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Maybe a kangaroo shape indicator somewhere?

hovering over the outline of the car

on dashboard or projected into the windscreen

or a hand that comes out and slaps people in the face for not paying attention?

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

what this post, roughie? yes i did read it in its entirety. and what is your point then?

I didn’t need to mention the rally driving and it was obvious.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

It is actually my reason.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

he’d get a fist in the face if he was my navigator.
you want nothing extra in your field of view when off road at speed

Not if it was an agreed system.

most off roaders I know agree that the system is: a punch to the face if the navigator makes any distracting gestures whilst the vehicle is at speed

They probably aren’t deaf as a post on the left side.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

If you had ever done any off road racing or rally driving, you’d realise that is what the navigator is for.
No talking, hand signals only.

what this post, roughie? yes i did read it in its entirety. and what is your point then?

I didn’t need to mention the rally driving and it was obvious.

what roughy is getting confused with is sprint boat racing (well OTTOMH that is the only motorsport that uses hand signals)

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Not if it was an agreed system.

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

it’s no wonder he took out a fence and a carwash…

That wasn’t anything to do with being deaf.

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

then you are not rally driving. or maybe the driver is deaf, eh? there roughie use that as your reason.

it’s no wonder he took out a fence and a carwash…

if he’d just had a nav to distract him….

spot on. The Nav would have been driving by this stage.

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

BUT HE’S DEAF…. HE MUST HAVE…

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

wouldn’t want to put my Kumo specials on a V8 race car. well, no with me in it anyway.

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

what this post, roughie? yes i did read it in its entirety. and what is your point then?

I didn’t need to mention the rally driving and it was obvious.

what roughy is getting confused with is sprint boat racing (well OTTOMH that is the only motorsport that uses hand signals)

So you haven’t had the problem of deafness and the assistance of a clever navigator?

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

Not in any official sense no but I’d test your mettle if you want to sit in the passenger seat.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

so driving unsafely runs in the family then…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

BUT HE’S DEAF…. HE MUST HAVE…

You don’t need to shout, I can hear you shitting yourself.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

Not in any official sense no but I’d test your mettle if you want to sit in the passenger seat.

nah, i’ll stick with people that actually know how to drive fast. safely.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

Not in any official sense no but I’d test your mettle if you want to sit in the passenger seat.

yeah Boris, it’s probably safer than being in a separate vehicle on the road when he blacks out atthe wheel next time…

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

hence the ‘speed rating’ stamped on the sidewall…

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

so driving unsafely runs in the family then…

She hadn’t exceeded the mileage expected of the tyres and never drove fast enough to worry about it.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

Not in any official sense no but I’d test your mettle if you want to sit in the passenger seat.

nah, i’ll stick with people that actually know how to drive fast. safely.

A lot of them including Peter Brock aren’t able to.

I fear the new smart tyres would do little good here in Qld. I regularly see very expensive German 4×4 s parked in the street with bald tyres.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

they cracked and started to peel within 10 years too, you’ll never find any complete because the rubber perished, no matter how little or far they’d travelled

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you’ve never done rally driving, roughie.

Not in any official sense no but I’d test your mettle if you want to sit in the passenger seat.

yeah Boris, it’s probably safer than being in a separate vehicle on the road when he blacks out atthe wheel next time…

I’d think that would be in the realms of any driver you pass. This is the way the police and the insurance co. viewed it.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

These had 125 mph speed rating on the side. Anyway, they did what they did.

I recently had a car that had cheap tyres that came with the car as the spare tyre had never been used. All this since 2003. I drove on them for three years and only had just put on new tyres before it drove straight as a die for about 60 to 70 metres off road through what should otherwise have been obstacles at a starting speed of 70 kmph.

pommiejohn said:

I fear the new smart tyres would do little good here in Qld. I regularly see very expensive German 4×4 s parked in the street with bald tyres.

The bloke who bought mum’s Kingswood for more than she paid for it, drove it directly to Darwin and complained that he had to replace both left side tyres.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/

humour i presume.

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

1969?

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

Stumpy_seahorse said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

they cracked and started to peel within 10 years too, you’ll never find any complete because the rubber perished, no matter how little or far they’d travelled

Surprisingly, these did none of that. They only failed on the road to Darwin and only the tyres that continually hit the edge of the road.

Self-driving cars will be safer drivers than I am, but I’m still nervous in them

The first time I activated Autopilot in a Tesla, I cringed.

I lifted my hands off the steering wheel slowly, keeping them an inch away, ready to grab it at any moment. I did the same with my right foot, hovering close to the brake pedal.

I may have been behind the wheel, but the Model S was doing all the driving.

As we cruised down a highway near Red Hook, Brooklyn, I asked the Tesla staffer sitting in the passenger seat if the car could see what I was seeing.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

BMWs do that but without the voice.

Puny Humans Still See the World Better Than Self-Driving Car

A confidence booster for you, puny human: The machines don’t have you beat. Yet.

Yes, the autonomous car is coming, and fast. Tesla delivered the first of its much-anticipated Model 3s last week, complete with the Autopilot feature that allows the cars to drive themselves on well-marked highways. The Mercedes-Benz S-Class can conquer a roundabout on its own.

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

A driverless car would pull over and await an auto electrician or mechanic.

The Big Problem With Self-Driving Cars Is People

Reading Body Language: A purely interpretive problem that self-driving cars cannot yet solve is that of making sense of the way people hold themselves and move. For instance, a self-driving car could not tell what any human driver could take in at a glance: The couple conversing animatedly near the curb are not about to wander into traffic. If, however, one person turns away from the other and in the direction of the street, it means she’s about to cross .

more…

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

I rented a car overseas a while ago that had a bleeping warning when you exceeded 130km/h. We had a competition to see who could keep the bleep on longest :)

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

I remember my mother’s Kingswood 186S model. The first Kingswood, HK was it? the tyres were rated at 125 mph. They were still on it when she sold it twenty odd years later.

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

1969?

I suppose hers could’ve been. Mine was a 1968 model.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

A driverless car would pull over and await an auto electrician or mechanic.

Predication technology would help with that and other cars.

• I rented a car overseas a while ago that had a bleeping warning when you exceeded 130km/h. We had a competition to see who could keep the bleep on longest

I owned a car in this country that did that. You could actually set the speed you wanted it to beep at…

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

BMWs do that but without the voice.

Fark that reminded me. A lady I know bought her byfriend a secondhand BMW top of the ine job. They were out test driving it when she said what does this button do? and was answered by 000 “what are your coordinates?”

oh shit sorry, it was an accident.

“That’s why we need to know where you are”.

Oh shit sorry I accidentally pushed the button.

furious said:

• I rented a car overseas a while ago that had a bleeping warning when you exceeded 130km/h. We had a competition to see who could keep the bleep on longest

I owned a car in this country that did that. You could actually set the speed you wanted it to beep at…

mine has that feature. never use it.

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

many cars have had this functionality for quite a while now

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

She didn’t do many miles then. HK Holdens came with rag cross-ply tyres. You’d get around 5-6,000 miles out of them driving gently. I’m not sure rag tyres had speed ratings in 1968.

1969?

I suppose hers could’ve been. Mine was a 1968 model.

probably my brain fade. I think now that it was bought late in 1968.

I imagine one of the cars components will be a neural network type of processor that analyzes external real time information.

diddly-squat said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

many cars have had this functionality for quite a while now

true

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

Sounds like a PK Dick book that I read. If the car went without regular servicing it not only ran poorly its attitude became worse.

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

Sounds like a PK Dick book that I read. If the car went without regular servicing it not only ran poorly its attitude became worse.

squeaky wheel?

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

what if a smart car startied complaing to the driver about servicing and mataintance

I need an oil change

I need a wheel balance and alignment

I need brake fluid

I need a new front headlight

I need water

etc

in your favorite voice, the more urgent the louder it gets

Sounds like a PK Dick book that I read. If the car went without regular servicing it not only ran poorly its attitude became worse.

A car that uses emotion might motivate some to do more regular servicing

Anyway, from all of this you may gather that being in the navigator or third party seat in my car when I am driving is a place where you may risk a fist in the face?

roughbarked said:

Anyway, from all of this you may gather that being in the navigator or third party seat in my car when I am driving is a place where you may risk a fist in the face?

I can lend them my bike helmet.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway, from all of this you may gather that being in the navigator or third party seat in my car when I am driving is a place where you may risk a fist in the face?

I can lend them my bike helmet.

As if this ecquates to a fist in the face.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway, from all of this you may gather that being in the navigator or third party seat in my car when I am driving is a place where you may risk a fist in the face?

I can lend them my bike helmet.

As if this ecquates to a fist in the face.

It might prevent a fist in the face.

Depends on the helmet.

free wheel rolling down the streets

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I can lend them my bike helmet.

As if this ecquates to a fist in the face.

It might prevent a fist in the face.

Depends on the helmet.

Hell met

maybe. maybe

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