Date: 15/09/2017 23:21:29
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1118366
Subject: Manuka Honey

According to this article Manuka Honey will kill super bugs that are resistant to conventional antibiotics.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-15/manuka-honey-is-it-really-a-superfood-for-colds-and-infections/8949110

“Can manuka honey kill superbugs?

The activity of manuka honey has been tested against a diverse range of microbes, particularly those that cause wound infections, and it inhibits problematic bacterial pathogens, including superbugs that are resistant to multiple antibiotics.
Crucially, there are no reported cases of bacteria developing resistance to honey, nor can manuka or other honey resistance be generated in the laboratory. “

So there you have it, problem solved, no need to look any further for exotic plants deep in the oceans or jungles.

So why aren’t the medical boffins trumpting it? maybe the article is bullshit.

PS
Is The Conversation an ABC subsidiary, they seem to reprint a lot of their articles?

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Date: 15/09/2017 23:31:17
From: Woodie
ID: 1118370
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

I thought Manuka was a footy oval in Canberra.

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Date: 15/09/2017 23:49:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1118376
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Woodie said:


I thought Manuka was a footy oval in Canberra.

Me too. Didn’t know they diversified into honey production.

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Date: 15/09/2017 23:55:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1118379
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

party_pants said:


Woodie said:

I thought Manuka was a footy oval in Canberra.

Me too. Didn’t know they diversified into honey production.

Huh? You’ve never heard of the Scarlet Manuka from Footrot Flats, Palmerston North, NZ.

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Date: 16/09/2017 02:02:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118385
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

All honey exhibits such.

Leptospermum scoparium Manuka or jellybush was not a honey of favour tases like crap looks and acts more like jelly. So the Kiwi’s thought of marketing it as medicinal honey.

We have more of it here. Why did we let the Kiwis do it first and why do we make the name sound more like wi are spiking kiwi?

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Date: 16/09/2017 02:28:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1118386
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

roughbarked said:


All honey exhibits such.

Leptospermum scoparium Manuka or jellybush was not a honey of favour tases like crap looks and acts more like jelly. So the Kiwi’s thought of marketing it as medicinal honey.

We have more of it here. Why did we let the Kiwis do it first and why do we make the name sound more like wi are spiking kiwi?

>>Accordingly, L. scoparium is now considered to be the only indigenous member of Leptospermum in New Zealand. The species is not endemic to New Zealand as indicated by Allan (1961), as it also occurs naturally in mainland Australia from the southern coast of New South Wales to western Victoria and is widespread in Tasmania (Thompson 1989).

The time of arrival of L. scoparium in New Zealand is uncertain. Leptospermum pollen has been dated to the Paleocene (Fleming 1975), though the representatives in the upper Cretaceous and older Tertiary beds should be interpreted to represent type pollen and not individual species (Couper 1953, 1960). Thompson (1989) suggested that Leptospermum may have originated in the dry Miocene conditions in Australia and that L. scoparium dispersal to New Zealand occurred relatively recently, as the species is not a primitive Leptospermum and cannot have been present earlier in New Zealand.<<

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/0028825×.2005.9512966

It would be very interesting to know when this tea-tree first arrived in New Zealand and how it got there from Australia.

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Date: 16/09/2017 07:17:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1118388
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Morning punters and correctors, cold but fine and windless morning at the redoubt.

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:19:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118390
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

and Tetragona tetragonioides?
New Zealand spinach or Warrigal Greens, Botany Bay spinach?

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:28:16
From: kii
ID: 1118395
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

It is hideously expensive at the duty free store at the airport :(

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:30:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118397
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

kii said:


It is hideously expensive at the duty free store at the airport :(

If you want to use it as medicince get some fresh honey. If you were tthinking of eating it, try another honey.

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:34:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118399
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

All honey exhibits such.

Leptospermum scoparium Manuka or jellybush was not a honey of favour tases like crap looks and acts more like jelly. So the Kiwi’s thought of marketing it as medicinal honey.

We have more of it here. Why did we let the Kiwis do it first and why do we make the name sound more like wi are spiking kiwi?

>>Accordingly, L. scoparium is now considered to be the only indigenous member of Leptospermum in New Zealand. The species is not endemic to New Zealand as indicated by Allan (1961), as it also occurs naturally in mainland Australia from the southern coast of New South Wales to western Victoria and is widespread in Tasmania (Thompson 1989).

The time of arrival of L. scoparium in New Zealand is uncertain. Leptospermum pollen has been dated to the Paleocene (Fleming 1975), though the representatives in the upper Cretaceous and older Tertiary beds should be interpreted to represent type pollen and not individual species (Couper 1953, 1960). Thompson (1989) suggested that Leptospermum may have originated in the dry Miocene conditions in Australia and that L. scoparium dispersal to New Zealand occurred relatively recently, as the species is not a primitive Leptospermum and cannot have been present earlier in New Zealand.<<

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/0028825×.2005.9512966

It would be very interesting to know when this tea-tree first arrived in New Zealand and how it got there from Australia.

Maybe within the past 50,000 years one of the big duststorms took some seed there?

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:35:27
From: kii
ID: 1118400
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

roughbarked said:


kii said:

It is hideously expensive at the duty free store at the airport :(

If you want to use it as medicince get some fresh honey. If you were tthinking of eating it, try another honey.

A friend here wanted to try some as a medicine for his wife.

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:37:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118401
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

kii said:


roughbarked said:

kii said:

It is hideously expensive at the duty free store at the airport :(

If you want to use it as medicince get some fresh honey. If you were tthinking of eating it, try another honey.

A friend here wanted to try some as a medicine for his wife.

Manuka honey may have more of some qualities thta most honey has but we don’t really know that yet. As it stands almost any honey hould have the same qualities. more ore less.

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:46:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118404
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

http://www.medicaldaily.com/manuka-honey-vs-regular-honey-manuka-honey-cure-all-your-ailments-408697

Manuka Honey Anti-microbial Activity

Manuka honey possesses significantly stronger anti-microbial activity than other types of commercial honey, according to a study published in the April 2008 issue of the journal “Molecular Nutrition and Food Research.” Researchers determined the enzyme methylglyoxal is responsible for manuka honey’s unique anti-microbial profile. Manuka honey contains up to 100 times more methylglyoxal than conventional honeys, according to the authors.

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:53:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118405
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Beware of expensive fakes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/the-manuka-honey-scandal-9577344.html

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Date: 16/09/2017 08:53:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118406
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Beware of expensive fakes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/the-manuka-honey-scandal-9577344.html

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Date: 16/09/2017 09:08:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118407
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Because no other honey from New Zealand is famous then it all comes down to the Manuka or Leptospermum scoparia. The honey produced from jellybush in Australia is the same honey as Manuka honey. It is a wonder that Dr Edward Bach didn’t include it in his list of flower remedies.

I’d not be at all surprised if it is found that it is a property of the plant that is simply added to their honey by the bees already antibacterial honey. I’d certainly not be surprised if it has notheing more to do with New Zealand other than that it is made from Leptospermum scoparium.

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Date: 16/09/2017 09:43:45
From: tauto
ID: 1118411
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

“New Zealand-made manuka honey has long been considered a superfood for everything from sore throats to gingivitis but as microbiologist Dr Nural Cokcedin explains, scientists now say that the Australian-made version could be the most powerful antibacterial honey of all.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-29/manuka-honey-antibacterial-australia-new-zealand/8151996

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Date: 16/09/2017 09:46:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118412
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

As far as it goes, I’m unaware that enough research has been done to specifically state that manuka honey has any competitors on the scale of best medicinal properties.

It would stand to reason that Australia could easily have other plants that are or were complete new wonders of nature to the Apis mellifera when they first arrived here. For example, other members of Myrtaceae such as Eucalyptus?

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Date: 16/09/2017 09:46:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118414
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

tauto said:


“New Zealand-made manuka honey has long been considered a superfood for everything from sore throats to gingivitis but as microbiologist Dr Nural Cokcedin explains, scientists now say that the Australian-made version could be the most powerful antibacterial honey of all.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-29/manuka-honey-antibacterial-australia-new-zealand/8151996

Exactly.

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Date: 16/09/2017 10:55:17
From: buffy
ID: 1118445
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Not much peer reviewed research showing up on a PubMed search:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=manuka+honey

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Date: 16/09/2017 11:09:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 1118454
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

buffy said:

Not much peer reviewed research showing up on a PubMed search:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=manuka+honey

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048876/

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Date: 16/09/2017 11:15:19
From: buffy
ID: 1118455
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Mm. It’s six years old, but it has been cited a bit.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=Two+Major+Medicinal+Honeys+Have+Different+Mechanisms+of+Bactericidal+Activity&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

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Date: 16/09/2017 13:55:12
From: ruby
ID: 1118510
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Ahhh, Manuka.
I know a beekeeper who is doing some work with researchers who are looking into Australian plants that can produce honey that rivals Manuka honey. She often turns up in her truck with various Leptospermums and Melaleuca type plants. She’s not very forthcoming with information though.

I bought a jar of honey from her when I had my last respiratory upset, and while it did bugger all to fix that, it did clear up a lingering and annoying grotty patch on my foot.

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Date: 16/09/2017 14:16:43
From: kii
ID: 1118524
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

ruby said:


Ahhh, Manuka.
I know a beekeeper who is doing some work with researchers who are looking into Australian plants that can produce honey that rivals Manuka honey. She often turns up in her truck with various Leptospermums and Melaleuca type plants. She’s not very forthcoming with information though.

I bought a jar of honey from her when I had my last respiratory upset, and while it did bugger all to fix that, it did clear up a lingering and annoying grotty patch on my foot.

Mm…very interesting and you are very lucky to have access to such fine honey.

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Date: 16/09/2017 19:44:09
From: pommiejohn
ID: 1118611
Subject: re: Manuka Honey

Being a lazy bastard I couldn’t be bothered to read the article :)

However IIRC Manuka honey works in contact with bacteria, but then again so does ethanol, bleach and shedloads of other products.

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