http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/same-sex-marriage-cognitive-ability-link-hilda-survey/8984744

SSM: How cognitive ability shapes attitudes on equal rights for same-sex couples

Recently, Alice Campbell and I revealed the demographic traits associated with people expressing support for equal rights for same-sex couples using the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (HILDA) survey — a large, longitudinal survey that is representative of the Australian population.

My subsequent analyses of the HILDA Survey points to another important factor: cognitive ability.

Specifically, there is a strong and statistically significant association between higher cognitive ability and a greater likelihood to support equal rights between same- and different-sex couples.

This may shed some light on why those who stand against equal rights may not be persuaded by evidence-based arguments in the ongoing same-sex marriage debate.

From time to time the HILDA survey collects one-off information from participants. During face-to-face interviews for its 2012 wave respondents participated in three hands-on tests aimed at determining their cognitive ability.

These tests evaluated the degree to which participants were able to:

Recall and recite backwards progressively longer strings of numbers.
Correctly pronounce 50 irregularly spelled words.
Match symbols and numbers based on a printed key against time.
These tests are not perfect. They may contain some measurement error, may be culturally biased, and may not constitute a complete measure of cognitive ability.

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A striking association

Analyses based on a sample of more than 11,600 people revealed that those with lower levels of cognitive ability in 2012 were much less likely than those with high levels of cognitive ability to express support for equal rights in 2015.

dv said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/same-sex-marriage-cognitive-ability-link-hilda-survey/8984744

SSM: How cognitive ability shapes attitudes on equal rights for same-sex couples

Recently, Alice Campbell and I revealed the demographic traits associated with people expressing support for equal rights for same-sex couples using the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (HILDA) survey — a large, longitudinal survey that is representative of the Australian population.

My subsequent analyses of the HILDA Survey points to another important factor: cognitive ability.

Specifically, there is a strong and statistically significant association between higher cognitive ability and a greater likelihood to support equal rights between same- and different-sex couples.

This may shed some light on why those who stand against equal rights may not be persuaded by evidence-based arguments in the ongoing same-sex marriage debate.

From time to time the HILDA survey collects one-off information from participants. During face-to-face interviews for its 2012 wave respondents participated in three hands-on tests aimed at determining their cognitive ability.

These tests evaluated the degree to which participants were able to:

Recall and recite backwards progressively longer strings of numbers.
Correctly pronounce 50 irregularly spelled words.
Match symbols and numbers based on a printed key against time.
These tests are not perfect. They may contain some measurement error, may be culturally biased, and may not constitute a complete measure of cognitive ability.

…

A striking association

Analyses based on a sample of more than 11,600 people revealed that those with lower levels of cognitive ability in 2012 were much less likely than those with high levels of cognitive ability to express support for equal rights in 2015.

So if I don’t vote yes I could be considered a dumb fuck :)

>cognitive ability.

abilities cognitive, not sure it was determining by measurement, or prescribing, particularly given what lent to to, here

dv said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/same-sex-marriage-cognitive-ability-link-hilda-survey/8984744

SSM: How cognitive ability shapes attitudes on equal rights for same-sex couples

Recently, Alice Campbell and I revealed the demographic traits associated with people expressing support for equal rights for same-sex couples using the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (HILDA) survey — a large, longitudinal survey that is representative of the Australian population.

My subsequent analyses of the HILDA Survey points to another important factor: cognitive ability.

Specifically, there is a strong and statistically significant association between higher cognitive ability and a greater likelihood to support equal rights between same- and different-sex couples.

This may shed some light on why those who stand against equal rights may not be persuaded by evidence-based arguments in the ongoing same-sex marriage debate.

From time to time the HILDA survey collects one-off information from participants. During face-to-face interviews for its 2012 wave respondents participated in three hands-on tests aimed at determining their cognitive ability.

These tests evaluated the degree to which participants were able to:

Recall and recite backwards progressively longer strings of numbers.
Correctly pronounce 50 irregularly spelled words.
Match symbols and numbers based on a printed key against time.
These tests are not perfect. They may contain some measurement error, may be culturally biased, and may not constitute a complete measure of cognitive ability.

…

A striking association

Analyses based on a sample of more than 11,600 people revealed that those with lower levels of cognitive ability in 2012 were much less likely than those with high levels of cognitive ability to express support for equal rights in 2015.

The GayBC has done it again, yippee for Yes!!!!

Denying equal rights has no basis in logic it would come down to some sort of bias or ism which wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny

Cymek said:

Denying equal rights has no basis in logic it would come down to some sort of bias or ism which wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny

of more complex thoughts, they often involve apparently contradictory requirements, so likely there’s something in it

transition said:

Cymek said:

Denying equal rights has no basis in logic it would come down to some sort of bias or ism which wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny

of more complex thoughts, they often involve apparently contradictory requirements, so likely there’s something in it

take the egalitarian ethic for example, which roughly is norms are strong, but are not imposed on any member of the moral community.

it involves contradictory aspects.

transition said:

transition said:

Cymek said:

Denying equal rights has no basis in logic it would come down to some sort of bias or ism which wouldn’t hold up to scrutiny

of more complex thoughts, they often involve apparently contradictory requirements, so likely there’s something in it

take the egalitarian ethic for example, which roughly is norms are strong, but are not imposed on any member of the moral community.

it involves contradictory aspects.

Norms constantly change though and will more than likely come about if you like it or not.
Certain members of society seem to fight change (it upsets the status quo) but its a constant in human history, adapt or become obsolete.

>adapt or become obsolete

everyone becomes obsolete in the end

don’t think i’ll be whistling up the forces of culture to encourage preemptation

Our cognitive powers have improved through evolutionary tree.

Peak Warming Man said:

Our cognitive powers have improved through evolutionary tree.

Those skin piercing devices are AI units that control behavior, monitor illegal chemicals and delete criminal thoughts as they appear.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Our cognitive powers have improved through evolutionary tree.

Those skin piercing devices are AI units that control behavior, monitor illegal chemicals and delete criminal thoughts as they appear.

How do you attach the rope?

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Our cognitive powers have improved through evolutionary tree.
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Those skin piercing devices are AI units that control behavior, monitor illegal chemicals and delete criminal thoughts as they appear.

How do you attach the rope?

Peak Warming Man said:

Our cognitive powers have improved through evolutionary tree.

Amazing what can be excreted from a pigs arse these days.

In some ways it is positive news because cognitive abilities can be improved through better childhood diet and education.

When the earth was young and we were dim
Survival was our only thing
We had no time to grow our brain
Until that is we planted grain
Time to wonder
Time to ponder

Peak Warming Man said:

When the earth was young and we were dim
Survival was our only thing
We had no time to grow our brain
Until that is we planted grain
Time to wonder
Time to ponder

oh look! shiny thing yonder.

I don’t have strong feelings on that one way or the other but I note that there are archaeologists and palaeontologists who think that the advent of agriculture meant that leisure time decreased.

dv said:

I don’t have strong feelings on that one way or the other but I note that there are archaeologists and palaeontologists who think that the advent of agriculture meant that leisure time decreased.

It allowed reliable surpluses so some a least would have had more leisure time.

dv said:

I don’t have strong feelings on that one way or the other but I note that there are archaeologists and palaeontologists who think that the advent of agriculture meant that leisure time decreased.

They also said that their diet was initially much inferior to the hunter/gatherer, but with the growing human population in most parts of the world (even then), hunter/gathering was becoming no longer viable and could not support the greater numbers of people. Farming and the tending of stock certainly took considerably more effort, with corresponding less leisure time, plus it led to ownership and greater competition to keep what you had. This evolving environment led to large scale wars, pollution, etc., plus gave rise to greater concentrations of pathogens, which in turn led to epidemics and a generally worse health situation.

So our major problems is mostly down to our inability, or lack of interest in containing our population size.

>Farming and the tending of stock certainly took considerably more effort, with corresponding less leisure time

be interesting to dig around in ones own concept of leisure, I get the impression it would be highly influenced by culture, you know ideology.

probably gets into our heads very young too.

more interesting I reckon is what it might displace.

like a goat herder that found a few leisurely moments while herding his goats. Same of the basket weaver.

there was probably conversation around camp fires etc, while eating a meal. Funny isn’t it, a meal for modern man is something on a plate, or packaged.

but, I should contain my wayward thoughts, not elevate those beastly pre-agrarians.

transition said:

>Farming and the tending of stock certainly took considerably more effort, with corresponding less leisure time

be interesting to dig around in ones own concept of leisure, I get the impression it would be highly influenced by culture, you know ideology.

probably gets into our heads very young too.

more interesting I reckon is what it might displace.

like a goat herder that found a few leisurely moments while herding his goats. Same of the basket weaver.

there was probably conversation around camp fires etc, while eating a meal. Funny isn’t it, a meal for modern man is something on a plate, or packaged.

but, I should contain my wayward thoughts, not elevate those beastly pre-agrarians.

I think they were comparing necessary hours actually worked. Many would not regard hunting and fishing as work, but probably having to do it most days, the gloss might wear a little thin at times, but it was necessary work in order to survive.

>I think they were comparing necessary hours actually worked. Many would not regard hunting and fishing as work, but probably having to do it most days, the gloss might wear a little thin at times, but it was necessary work in order to survive.

gloss, that’s sort of a modern term isn’t it, perhaps a modern idea.

enthusiasm I suppose you mean, lucky our troglodyte ancestors has hunting instincts, desires so.

on the subject survive, to alter the course of the conversation a little, I see some relationship between leisure and recreation, for the moment I can’t exactly recall the origins of the meaning of that latter word, but think it something like rejuvenate.

so I reckon, that in-part leisure has some origin in that, and related recuperation from illness too.

not only do humans(and other animals) recuperate from illness, they avoid it, with health.

from that I put to you that sleep is leisure, and our troglodyte ancestors probably got more sleep.

transition said:

>I think they were comparing necessary hours actually worked. Many would not regard hunting and fishing as work, but probably having to do it most days, the gloss might wear a little thin at times, but it was necessary work in order to survive.

gloss, that’s sort of a modern term isn’t it, perhaps a modern idea.

enthusiasm I suppose you mean, lucky our troglodyte ancestors has hunting instincts, desires so.

on the subject survive, to alter the course of the conversation a little, I see some relationship between leisure and recreation, for the moment I can’t exactly recall the origins of the meaning of that latter word, but think it something like rejuvenate.

so I reckon, that in-part leisure has some origin in that, and related recuperation from illness too.

not only do humans(and other animals) recuperate from illness, they avoid it, with health.

from that I put to you that sleep is leisure, and our troglodyte ancestors probably got more sleep.

With your reasoning, I believe we are now entering the forth dimension.

>With your reasoning, I believe we are now entering the forth dimension.

yeah, possibly.

it’s alright, just playing with the idea food abundance, increased leisure time and whatever helped both the biological and cultural evolution of the big brains.

don’t mind me getting spooked if I sense leisure being used to better understand the primitives.

but, i’d ask you – is sleep leisure?

and if you have troubles seeing sleep as leisure, give me an idea why, because in the explanation i’d expect something interesting to emerge.

transition said:

>With your reasoning, I believe we are now entering the forth dimension.

yeah, possibly.

it’s alright, just playing with the idea food abundance, increased leisure time and whatever helped both the biological and cultural evolution of the big brains.

don’t mind me getting spooked if I sense leisure being used to better understand the primitives.

but, i’d ask you – is sleep leisure?

and if you have troubles seeing sleep as leisure, give me an idea why, because in the explanation i’d expect something interesting to emerge.

I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

>I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

i’d expect (some) leisure to be a necessity.

so why wouldn’t you attribute sleep the qualities of leisure?

is that like some nasty ideological aversion.

transition said:

>I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

i’d expect (some) leisure to be a necessity.

so why wouldn’t you attribute sleep the qualities of leisure?

is that like some nasty ideological aversion.

Do you think creatures that sleep, do so for leisure? By being asleep you place yourself in danger of predation, so I would not regard that as a leisure activity.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

>I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

i’d expect (some) leisure to be a necessity.

so why wouldn’t you attribute sleep the qualities of leisure?

is that like some nasty ideological aversion.

Do you think creatures that sleep, do so for leisure? By being asleep you place yourself in danger of predation, so I would not regard that as a leisure activity.

keep with humans for a moment, you’re safest when in bed.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

>I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

i’d expect (some) leisure to be a necessity.

so why wouldn’t you attribute sleep the qualities of leisure?

is that like some nasty ideological aversion.

Do you think creatures that sleep, do so for leisure? By being asleep you place yourself in danger of predation, so I would not regard that as a leisure activity.

Looks like leisure to me

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

>I would have said sleep was a necessary rather than leisure, but I await to be dumbfounded.

i’d expect (some) leisure to be a necessity.

so why wouldn’t you attribute sleep the qualities of leisure?

is that like some nasty ideological aversion.

Do you think creatures that sleep, do so for leisure? By being asleep you place yourself in danger of predation, so I would not regard that as a leisure activity.

keep with humans for a moment, you’re safest when in bed.

You are talking about sleep, of which most creatures require, apparently even jellyfish. Would you care to explain why most apposing sides attack in the early morning when most people are still asleep. So being in your bed then, might not be the safest place to be.

PermeateFree said:

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Do you think creatures that sleep, do so for leisure? By being asleep you place yourself in danger of predation, so I would not regard that as a leisure activity.

keep with humans for a moment, you’re safest when in bed.

You are talking about sleep, of which most creatures require, apparently even jellyfish. Would you care to explain why most apposing sides attack in the early morning when most people are still asleep. So being in your bed then, might not be the safest place to be.

are you going to attack me early in the morning, and eat me, or are you quite well fed presently, and happy with your own home for the moment?

anyway, going back a bit, I proposed that sleep can be understood as leisure, and that our troglodyte ancestors might have got more of it.

it’s not perhaps a very modern idea, laying around conserving energy (more than required), doesn’t really drive a consumer economy, and it’s not high-tech by today’s standards. No glam or gloss.

Money doesn’t sleep, apparently it can buy leisure though.

So you know, while you’re tieing your shoelaces ideology’s giving it to you in the ask no questions.

The cognitive aspect of this conversation is intriguing.