Hoping someone here knows something about cars…

On Saturday, my 2004 van had what seemed like a flat battery. Trying to start it up, the engine was turning over but a lot slower than normal, and sounded like it was running out of energy with each crank. So I called Marshall Batteries and they came and replaced it for me on Sunday morning.

After the battery is replaced, it still doesn’t start up. Cranks fine now, but has that sound as if there is no spark.

And additional …. on Saturday before I called for Marshall, I tried to jump start the van from my mate’s car. It wasn’t starting the van at all, so I tried to ‘test’ the jumper leads by tapping them together and seeing the spark that was created. So I’m wondering, is there any chance that me tapping the leads together to create a spark has damaged something inside the engine or whatever, which means now it’s not going to start the van?

JTQ said:

Hoping someone here knows something about cars…

On Saturday, my 2004 van had what seemed like a flat battery. Trying to start it up, the engine was turning over but a lot slower than normal, and sounded like it was running out of energy with each crank. So I called Marshall Batteries and they came and replaced it for me on Sunday morning.

After the battery is replaced, it still doesn’t start up. Cranks fine now, but has that sound as if there is no spark.

And additional …. on Saturday before I called for Marshall, I tried to jump start the van from my mate’s car. It wasn’t starting the van at all, so I tried to ‘test’ the jumper leads by tapping them together and seeing the spark that was created. So I’m wondering, is there any chance that me tapping the leads together to create a spark has damaged something inside the engine or whatever, which means now it’s not going to start the van?

Is this an old van?

Make sure the spark plug leads are connected and the dustributor is attached

Has water got onto the electrics ?

What make and model

wookiemeister said:

Is this an old van?

Make sure the spark plug leads are connected and the dustributor is attached

Has water got onto the electrics ?

It’s a 2004 Mitsubishi Express van. I’ll had a look at the spark plugs and leads and distributor. No water has been on the electrics, it’s just been parked in my garage and no water issues in there.

brb in 10, I’ll go check the electrics

wookiemeister said:

JTQ said:

Hoping someone here knows something about cars…

On Saturday, my 2004 van had what seemed like a flat battery. Trying to start it up, the engine was turning over but a lot slower than normal, and sounded like it was running out of energy with each crank. So I called Marshall Batteries and they came and replaced it for me on Sunday morning.

After the battery is replaced, it still doesn’t start up. Cranks fine now, but has that sound as if there is no spark.

And additional …. on Saturday before I called for Marshall, I tried to jump start the van from my mate’s car. It wasn’t starting the van at all, so I tried to ‘test’ the jumper leads by tapping them together and seeing the spark that was created. So I’m wondering, is there any chance that me tapping the leads together to create a spark has damaged something inside the engine or whatever, which means now it’s not going to start the van?

Is this an old van?

Make sure the spark plug leads are connected and the dustributor is attached

Has water got onto the electrics ?

Giving the starter motor a sound tap, might free it up if stuck. Some vehicles are renown for that. I had a Ford Station-wagon that was always doing that. Cost me a fortune in starter motor replacements and mechanic fees, before I found out about it.

JTQ said:

Hoping someone here knows something about cars…

On Saturday, my 2004 van had what seemed like a flat battery. Trying to start it up, the engine was turning over but a lot slower than normal, and sounded like it was running out of energy with each crank. So I called Marshall Batteries and they came and replaced it for me on Sunday morning.

After the battery is replaced, it still doesn’t start up. Cranks fine now, but has that sound as if there is no spark.

And additional …. on Saturday before I called for Marshall, I tried to jump start the van from my mate’s car. It wasn’t starting the van at all, so I tried to ‘test’ the jumper leads by tapping them together and seeing the spark that was created. So I’m wondering, is there any chance that me tapping the leads together to create a spark has damaged something inside the engine or whatever, which means now it’s not going to start the van?

for a 2004, you should probably be using surge protected leads to protect the onboard computer.

did you attach the leads to the negative battery terminal? or the body of your van?

wookiemeister said:

What make and model

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

JTQ said:

Hoping someone here knows something about cars…

On Saturday, my 2004 van had what seemed like a flat battery. Trying to start it up, the engine was turning over but a lot slower than normal, and sounded like it was running out of energy with each crank. So I called Marshall Batteries and they came and replaced it for me on Sunday morning.

After the battery is replaced, it still doesn’t start up. Cranks fine now, but has that sound as if there is no spark.

And additional …. on Saturday before I called for Marshall, I tried to jump start the van from my mate’s car. It wasn’t starting the van at all, so I tried to ‘test’ the jumper leads by tapping them together and seeing the spark that was created. So I’m wondering, is there any chance that me tapping the leads together to create a spark has damaged something inside the engine or whatever, which means now it’s not going to start the van?

Is this an old van?

Make sure the spark plug leads are connected and the dustributor is attached

Has water got onto the electrics ?

Giving the starter motor a sound tap, might free it up if stuck. Some vehicles are renown for that. I had a Ford Station-wagon that was always doing that. Cost me a fortune in starter motor replacements and mechanic fees, before I found out about it.

if engine is cranking fine, you can rule out the starter motor

check for loose battery connections.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

for a 2004, you should probably be using surge protected leads to protect the onboard computer.

did you attach the leads to the negative battery terminal? or the body of your van?

Leads were directly on to the battery, not the body of the van.

ChrispenEvan said:

check for loose battery connections.

Wouldn’t that prevent the engine from cranking? Battery connections seem to be fine and tight anyway.

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

Is this an old van?

Make sure the spark plug leads are connected and the dustributor is attached

Has water got onto the electrics ?

It’s a 2004 Mitsubishi Express van. I’ll had a look at the spark plugs and leads and distributor. No water has been on the electrics, it’s just been parked in my garage and no water issues in there.

brb in 10, I’ll go check the electrics

You should check the wiring under the bonnet as rodents like taking up residence there when the vehicles is not being used for some time. I always leave the bonnet up to stop that.

When the new battery was installed, did you start trying to start it straight away ??

If it’s spinning and doesn’t sound like its sparking that’s the thing to check. If it has one of those dodgy van engine bays you may have knocked the distributor cap out of alignment, dunno if they made it so you can clip it on backwards but worth a check if you have had it off.

PermeateFree said:

You should check the wiring under the bonnet as rodents like taking up residence there when the vehicles is not being used for some time. I always leave the bonnet up to stop that.

I drive the van as my regular car but at the moment I’m only doing 1 shift per week and now don’t go out every day. No mice or any other kinds of rodents in my place, it’s pretty clean :)

wookiemeister said:

When the new battery was installed, did you start trying to start it straight away ??

Sure did. The guy couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t start.

JTQ said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

for a 2004, you should probably be using surge protected leads to protect the onboard computer.

did you attach the leads to the negative battery terminal? or the body of your van?

Leads were directly on to the battery, not the body of the van.

The instructions on jumper leads says to attach to the positive only and the other earth it on the engine mounts.

AwesomeO said:

If it’s spinning and doesn’t sound like its sparking that’s the thing to check. If it has one of those dodgy van engine bays you may have knocked the distributor cap out of alignment, dunno if they made it so you can clip it on backwards but worth a check if you have had it off.

Yeh the distributor cap hasn’t been off at all, at least since the last service a few months back. I just checked it when I had a look at the leads a few minutes ago, it’s on pretty tight.

JTQ said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

for a 2004, you should probably be using surge protected leads to protect the onboard computer.

did you attach the leads to the negative battery terminal? or the body of your van?

Leads were directly on to the battery, not the body of the van.

Something to remember next time, lessens the chances of buggering stuff up.

easiest thing to do would be to get a mobile mechanic out, he can get into your OBD2 and find out what error code it has thrown up, might even need a reset. (I know early 2000s commodores required the codes to be cleared when putting a new battery in)

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

When the new battery was installed, did you start trying to start it straight away ??

Sure did. The guy couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t start.

No spark

No petrol

?

PermeateFree said:

The instructions on jumper leads says to attach to the positive only and the other earth it on the engine mounts.

Yeh these leads don’t have any instructions on them, I got them from my uncle because he didn’t need them anymore.

JTQ said:

AwesomeO said:

If it’s spinning and doesn’t sound like its sparking that’s the thing to check. If it has one of those dodgy van engine bays you may have knocked the distributor cap out of alignment, dunno if they made it so you can clip it on backwards but worth a check if you have had it off.

Yeh the distributor cap hasn’t been off at all, at least since the last service a few months back. I just checked it when I had a look at the leads a few minutes ago, it’s on pretty tight.

2004.. does it have a distributor cap?
surely they’d be efi?

wookiemeister said:

No spark

No petrol

?

About 1/2 tank of petrol. Not sure why there seems to be no spark. Although I can’t confirm there is “no spark”, I’m just saying it has that sound to it, like it’s turning over but won’t start up.

The Marshall battery guy said the fuel pump doesn’t seem to be making a sound, so I’m guessing it’s something along the electrical line or a fuel blockage.

A mobile mechanic is very very very expensive, like for simply replacing a battery, Lube Mobile was going to cost $371.

Sounds like its broken down.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

2004.. does it have a distributor cap?
surely they’d be efi?

It does have a distributor cap, I’ve just checked all the leads going to it. But as for being EFI, I have no idea.

JTQ said:

ChrispenEvan said:

check for loose battery connections.

Wouldn’t that prevent the engine from cranking? Battery connections seem to be fine and tight anyway.

not always. loose connection would give a high resistance so not the full power available to crank engine at correct speed and reduces power to starting circuit.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

The instructions on jumper leads says to attach to the positive only and the other earth it on the engine mounts.

Yeh these leads don’t have any instructions on them, I got them from my uncle because he didn’t need them anymore.

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

Take one lead off with a spark plug attached. Make sure the spark plug is touching metal to make the circuit

When you turn the engine over you should see the plug sparking and smell fuel a little

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

No spark

No petrol

?

The Marshall battery guy said the fuel pump doesn’t seem to be making a sound, so I’m guessing it’s something along the electrical line or a fuel blockage.

turn ignition on and listen to see if fuel pump turns on. if not then you need a new fuel pump.

PermeateFree said:

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

No I haven’t. I’m sorry, I haven’t even heard of that.

If the spark plug isnt sparking check connections and consider checking the ignition coil.

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

No spark

No petrol

?

About 1/2 tank of petrol. Not sure why there seems to be no spark. Although I can’t confirm there is “no spark”, I’m just saying it has that sound to it, like it’s turning over but won’t start up.

The Marshall battery guy said the fuel pump doesn’t seem to be making a sound, so I’m guessing it’s something along the electrical line or a fuel blockage.

A mobile mechanic is very very very expensive, like for simply replacing a battery, Lube Mobile was going to cost $371.

get someone to get their ear close to the fuel tank and turn the key from ‘off’ to ‘acc’, the fuel pump should make a sound as it primes the line, if no sound then it’s likely not working.

if it needs something like a reset, you might need to bite the bullet.. or get on ebay and get one yourself

ChrispenEvan said:

turn ignition on and listen to see if fuel pump turns on. if not then you need a new fuel pump.

I’m not sure what the fuel pump is supposed to sound like

JTQ said:

wookiemeister said:

No spark

No petrol

?

About 1/2 tank of petrol. Not sure why there seems to be no spark. Although I can’t confirm there is “no spark”, I’m just saying it has that sound to it, like it’s turning over but won’t start up.

The Marshall battery guy said the fuel pump doesn’t seem to be making a sound, so I’m guessing it’s something along the electrical line or a fuel blockage.

A mobile mechanic is very very very expensive, like for simply replacing a battery, Lube Mobile was going to cost $371.

Yeah that’s a silly price. Worse comes to worse join your local Royal auto, they charge a lot for instant membership plus breakdown, but if you join then wait a few days? Not sure how many, should get away with just the membership price.

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

No I haven’t. I’m sorry, I haven’t even heard of that.

Just a spray can of inflammable you squirt down the air intake. Sounds like the fuel is not getting through.

I saw a 2CV years ago. He couldn’t get it going. The electrical connections to the ignition coil werent good. I tightened them up and it started like a dream

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

No I haven’t. I’m sorry, I haven’t even heard of that.

Just a spray can of inflammable you squirt down the air intake. Sounds like the fuel is not getting through.

Buy a can of “start ya bastard”

Google start ya bastard

PermeateFree said:

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

No I haven’t. I’m sorry, I haven’t even heard of that.

Just a spray can of inflammable you squirt down the air intake. Sounds like the fuel is not getting through.

aerostart and the like

giving all the connections a good clean wont hurt either

JTQ said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

2004.. does it have a distributor cap?
surely they’d be efi?

It does have a distributor cap, I’ve just checked all the leads going to it. But as for being EFI, I have no idea.

sure it hasn’t got a block of coils?
(inside the distributor cap is there a rotor button that spins?)

aerostart = heroin for cars. don’t use it.

JTQ said:

ChrispenEvan said:

turn ignition on and listen to see if fuel pump turns on. if not then you need a new fuel pump.

I’m not sure what the fuel pump is supposed to sound like

like a small electric motor whirring.

looking up the specs, 2004 2.4L van is efi, doesn’t have a distributor cap..

also, base model comes with an immobiliser, the short could’ve given that a hit

JTQ said:

PermeateFree said:

The only other thing that comes to mind if the fuel gumming up the fuel line somewhere. Have you tried using a starter fluid?

No I haven’t. I’m sorry, I haven’t even heard of that.

You just need to get an inflammable gas of which the spark-plugs will ignite. it will either free the blockage in the fuel line, or narrow down the problem.

Beautiful drop of rain.

Peak Warming Man said:

Beautiful drop of rain.

That might fix it.

It is pretty much definitely going to be fuel or spark.
Unless the water in your radiator is all milky.

roughbarked said:

It is pretty much definitely going to be fuel or spark.
Unless the water in your radiator is all milky.

Or the water in your oil.

Remove spark plug and then stick it on the plug lead.

Rest the screw thread onto the car body/ engine

When you turn the car over you should see if the plug sparks

wookiemeister said:

Remove spark plug and then stick it on the plug lead.

Rest the screw thread onto the car body/ engine

When you turn the car over you should see if the plug sparks

Difficult when on your own. I would even say, very difficult.

This establishes that the car turns over and the ignition system works somewhat, most likely timing.is ok

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Remove spark plug and then stick it on the plug lead.

Rest the screw thread onto the car body/ engine

When you turn the car over you should see if the plug sparks

Difficult when on your own. I would even say, very difficult.

You could set up a smart phone to film it whilst you are in the drivers seat.

I have had to do this in situations where i needed to see what was happening in a locked cabinet whilst coins wete dropping through.

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

Remove spark plug and then stick it on the plug lead.

Rest the screw thread onto the car body/ engine

When you turn the car over you should see if the plug sparks

Difficult when on your own. I would even say, very difficult.

You could set up a smart phone to film it whilst you are in the drivers seat.

I have had to do this in situations where i needed to see what was happening in a locked cabinet whilst coins wete dropping through.

Like I say very difficult, especially for me as I don’t have a smart phone. I have tried this sort of thing and not only are your arms too short, but your neck is too.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Difficult when on your own. I would even say, very difficult.

You could set up a smart phone to film it whilst you are in the drivers seat.

I have had to do this in situations where i needed to see what was happening in a locked cabinet whilst coins wete dropping through.

Like I say very difficult, especially for me as I don’t have a smart phone. I have tried this sort of thing and not only are your arms too short, but your neck is too.

best done in a shed, at night, all lights off.
easier to see a spark.

but anyway, it’s an express van, you can see the motor with your hand on the key..

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Difficult when on your own. I would even say, very difficult.

You could set up a smart phone to film it whilst you are in the drivers seat.

I have had to do this in situations where i needed to see what was happening in a locked cabinet whilst coins wete dropping through.

Like I say very difficult, especially for me as I don’t have a smart phone. I have tried this sort of thing and not only are your arms too short, but your neck is too.

turn ignition on. get piece insulated wire to attach to POS batt terminal and touch on the low current contact on starter motor.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

You could set up a smart phone to film it whilst you are in the drivers seat.

I have had to do this in situations where i needed to see what was happening in a locked cabinet whilst coins wete dropping through.

Like I say very difficult, especially for me as I don’t have a smart phone. I have tried this sort of thing and not only are your arms too short, but your neck is too.

best done in a shed, at night, all lights off.
easier to see a spark.

but anyway, it’s an express van, you can see the motor with your hand on the key..

Problem solved.

JTQ, mechanic said he couldn’t hear the fuel pump. check that first before frigging around with anything else.

take off plug lead, stuff a piece of insulted wire in connection. sit in cab holding the other end. turn car over. you should get a shock.

:-)

ChrispenEvan said:

JTQ, mechanic said he couldn’t hear the fuel pump. check that first before frigging around with anything else.

Also the spray down the air-filter will tell you if any fuel is reaching the plugs. I have even used a few drops of petrol to do the job, but not too much.

JTQ’s next post will probably be from hospital.

Peak Warming Man said:

JTQ’s next post will probably be from hospital.

Combined the spark-plug test, whilst tipping fuel down the air-intake.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

JTQ, mechanic said he couldn’t hear the fuel pump. check that first before frigging around with anything else.

Also the spray down the air-filter will tell you if any fuel is reaching the plugs. I have even used a few drops of petrol to do the job, but not too much.

that spray is shit. best not to use it. plus you have to buy it. listening for the fuel pump operating is free. testing the fuel pump is free.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

JTQ, mechanic said he couldn’t hear the fuel pump. check that first before frigging around with anything else.

Also the spray down the air-filter will tell you if any fuel is reaching the plugs. I have even used a few drops of petrol to do the job, but not too much.

that spray is shit. best not to use it. plus you have to buy it. listening for the fuel pump operating is free. testing the fuel pump is free.

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

Peak Warming Man said:

JTQ’s next post will probably be from hospital.

Heh!

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Also the spray down the air-filter will tell you if any fuel is reaching the plugs. I have even used a few drops of petrol to do the job, but not too much.

that spray is shit. best not to use it. plus you have to buy it. listening for the fuel pump operating is free. testing the fuel pump is free.

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

that spray is shit. best not to use it. plus you have to buy it. listening for the fuel pump operating is free. testing the fuel pump is free.

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

but if you can’t hear the fuel pump, and you usually can when operating, then you know it isn’t working.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

that spray is shit. best not to use it. plus you have to buy it. listening for the fuel pump operating is free. testing the fuel pump is free.

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

but if you can’t hear the fuel pump, and you usually can when operating, then you know it isn’t working.

You have the same problem with the ignition and getting close enough to hear the pump. Plus if you are not familiar with fuel pumps, you do not know what sound to listen for.

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

but if you can’t hear the fuel pump, and you usually can when operating, then you know it isn’t working.

like I say earlier. turn key to ‘acc’ and fuel pump will prime, nothing else is running, in a van it should be easy to hear, easier than a sedan

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

but if you can’t hear the fuel pump, and you usually can when operating, then you know it isn’t working.

like I say earlier. turn key to ‘acc’ and fuel pump will prime, nothing else is running, in a van it should be easy to hear, easier than a sedan

yep. as i have said, sounds like a small motor whirring. make sure all aircon etc fans are off.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Well you then know that the fuel IS NOT reaching the plugs, so you can then check for the fuel problem (including the fuel pump).

but if you can’t hear the fuel pump, and you usually can when operating, then you know it isn’t working.

You have the same problem with the ignition and getting close enough to hear the pump. Plus if you are not familiar with fuel pumps, you do not know what sound to listen for.

can pretty much guarantee you’ve heard it a thousand times, just thought of it as the usual start up noises of your car

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

A few drops of petrol will not cost you much.

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

well, unless you have a can with fuel you have to get some or siphon some from the fuel tank. need a hose that’ll fit for that. if you don’t have a suitable fuel container you’ll have to get one and go to a servo for fuel. not everyone has spare fuel in their garage.

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

so, lets say it kicks over with that little bit of fuel. then what? i know lets see if the fuel pump is working.

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

well, for one, you’re going to need a bit more than ‘a few drops’ unless you are going to disconnect at the throttle boddy and drop it in there

ChrispenEvan said:

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

well, unless you have a can with fuel you have to get some or siphon some from the fuel tank. need a hose that’ll fit for that. if you don’t have a suitable fuel container you’ll have to get one and go to a servo for fuel. not everyone has spare fuel in their garage.

There’s a hole in my bucket dear Liza, dear Liza, etc.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

and without a sparkplug socket, it’s no use trying to pull one out. you should be able to see if it’s wet or not to determine if it’s been sparking without all the stuffing around..

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

well, for one, you’re going to need a bit more than ‘a few drops’ unless you are going to disconnect at the throttle boddy and drop it in there

Use a straw dear Henry, dear Henry, use a straw.

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

Don’t know why simply taking the air-filter cover off and squirting a few drops of fuel down it, is considered arduous, especially when compared to the other things being suggested. You might be an expert in determining if fuel is reaching the plugs, but unless they are flooded it can be very difficult and unreliable.

well, for one, you’re going to need a bit more than ‘a few drops’ unless you are going to disconnect at the throttle boddy and drop it in there

Use a straw dear Henry, dear Henry, use a straw.

riiiiiiiiighht.. and that would help how exactly?

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

well, for one, you’re going to need a bit more than ‘a few drops’ unless you are going to disconnect at the throttle boddy and drop it in there

Use a straw dear Henry, dear Henry, use a straw.

riiiiiiiiighht.. and that would help how exactly?

But what will I cut it dear Liza, dear Liza, with what?

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

Use a straw dear Henry, dear Henry, use a straw.

riiiiiiiiighht.. and that would help how exactly?

But what will I cut it dear Liza, dear Liza, with what?

to get you straight on this (because I don’t believe you really realise what you are dealing with) the mitsi express 2.4L motor has an ‘S’ shaped pipe about 600mm long between the air box and the throttle body..
aerostart is an aerosol that expands up the pipe and can get pulled through by the vacuum when cranking (although being OE, reaching the airbox while cranking really needs a 2nd person)
a squirt of petrol in the airbox would be like a fart in a tornado.. nowhere near enough fumes to make any srt of difference

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

riiiiiiiiighht.. and that would help how exactly?

But what will I cut it dear Liza, dear Liza, with what?

to get you straight on this (because I don’t believe you really realise what you are dealing with) the mitsi express 2.4L motor has an ‘S’ shaped pipe about 600mm long between the air box and the throttle body..
aerostart is an aerosol that expands up the pipe and can get pulled through by the vacuum when cranking (although being OE, reaching the airbox while cranking really needs a 2nd person)
a squirt of petrol in the airbox would be like a fart in a tornado.. nowhere near enough fumes to make any srt of difference

probably means taking air inlet off top of carby/throttle assembly and pouring it down the throat. works ok if it isn’t a fuel injection engine.

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

PermeateFree said:

But what will I cut it dear Liza, dear Liza, with what?

to get you straight on this (because I don’t believe you really realise what you are dealing with) the mitsi express 2.4L motor has an ‘S’ shaped pipe about 600mm long between the air box and the throttle body..
aerostart is an aerosol that expands up the pipe and can get pulled through by the vacuum when cranking (although being OE, reaching the airbox while cranking really needs a 2nd person)
a squirt of petrol in the airbox would be like a fart in a tornado.. nowhere near enough fumes to make any srt of difference

probably means taking air inlet off top of carby/throttle assembly and pouring it down the throat. works ok if it isn’t a fuel injection engine.

yeah, wouldn’t have a carby, 2004 had multi-point fuel injection

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

to get you straight on this (because I don’t believe you really realise what you are dealing with) the mitsi express 2.4L motor has an ‘S’ shaped pipe about 600mm long between the air box and the throttle body..
aerostart is an aerosol that expands up the pipe and can get pulled through by the vacuum when cranking (although being OE, reaching the airbox while cranking really needs a 2nd person)
a squirt of petrol in the airbox would be like a fart in a tornado.. nowhere near enough fumes to make any srt of difference

probably means taking air inlet off top of carby/throttle assembly and pouring it down the throat. works ok if it isn’t a fuel injection engine.

yeah, wouldn’t have a carby, 2004 had multi-point fuel injection

ahhhh so we are back to listening to see if the fuel pump is working.

;-)

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

probably means taking air inlet off top of carby/throttle assembly and pouring it down the throat. works ok if it isn’t a fuel injection engine.

yeah, wouldn’t have a carby, 2004 had multi-point fuel injection

ahhhh so we are back to listening to see if the fuel pump is working.

;-)

yep…

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

probably means taking air inlet off top of carby/throttle assembly and pouring it down the throat. works ok if it isn’t a fuel injection engine.

yeah, wouldn’t have a carby, 2004 had multi-point fuel injection

ahhhh so we are back to listening to see if the fuel pump is working.

;-)

Smart money’d be on doing that first.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

yeah, wouldn’t have a carby, 2004 had multi-point fuel injection

ahhhh so we are back to listening to see if the fuel pump is working.

;-)

yep…

pfffft not a real mechanic. no rag in the back pocket and no crack showing.

Get well soon, Car

tried jump starting onto a flat battery with leads wrong initially did ya.

might want to check your fuses