when is the latter not the former?
is all sport competitive?
are hobbies cool, and does sport displace hobbies?
Ullamaliztli…
Both involved mastering some sort of physical skill, but a sport adds some degree of exertion in the application of that skill or competitive application of the skill.
For example wood chopping can be both a hobby and a sport.
It is also a chore…
furious said:
- For example wood chopping can be both a hobby and a sport.
It is also a chore…
Yeah, I didn’t think it was the perfect example. Could also be a trade.
But the competitive exertion to cut the wood quicker than anyone else is when it becomes a sport.
party_pants said:
Both involved mastering some sort of physical skill, but a sport adds some degree of exertion in the application of that skill or competitive application of the skill.For example wood chopping can be both a hobby and a sport.
I loved chopping wood for my 3 fireplaces. Such great therapy if one has enemies and good visualisation skills.
This is a semantic discussion.
surely something becomes a sport once you compete against others?
Arts said:
surely something becomes a sport once you compete against others?
A bit of both. I think if f there is some degree of exertion involved it can become a sport even if you do it non competitively. Say I decided to go jogging*. I would regard it as a sport even if I joined a club and just went jogging with my new friends for moral support and encouragement, without it being a race.
*again, not a perfect example
Does not compute…
furious said:
- jogging with my new friends for moral support
Does not compute…
If I go jogging alone I would get to about 100 m and go “argh fuck this”.
sport
spɔːt/
noun
noun: sport; plural noun: sports
looks ot me like sport = competitive… otherwise it’s a hobby or an interest
dv said:
This is a semantic discussion.
is it..?
I was thinking of the importance of unshared environments, as applies to hobbies, contrasted with sport which tends to be otherwise.
Also I was thinking of how much entertainment and what we buy is sort of packaged, and delivered so.
We live in a consumer culture too, so i’m wondering if there are forces out there trashing hobbies, the inclination.
Sport too’s strongly a force of culture and ideology, it’s to some extent where one learns of norms, and expectations of culture (prep), but hobbies not so much so, or’s different (can be).
Hobbies need not be competitive, but it’s a bit hard to say sport’s not, to generalize (and probably accurately) a force promoting competitiveness.
Arts said:
surely something becomes a sport once you compete against others?
Competitive macrame.
Is Bingo a sport?
Woodie said:
Is Bingo a sport?
No.
furious said:
- looks ot me like sport = competitive… otherwise it’s a hobby or an interest
It’s a form of torture. It hurts my brain. And other things.
A sport is where there are winners. A hobby is where there are griinners.
>We live in a consumer culture too, so i’m wondering if there are forces out there trashing hobbies, the inclination.
There are lots of businesses catering to hobbies. For example, hobbies based on model-making (model railways etc) have a substantial industry built around them.
tauto said:
A sport is where there are winners. A hobby is where there are griinners.
Well put.
And yes, both a hobby and a sport can become a job. When it’s a job then it can remain a sport but is no longer a hobby.
I like the tax department’s definition of “hobby” (TIC). A hobby is any occupation that makes a financial loss.
Bubblecar said:
>We live in a consumer culture too, so i’m wondering if there are forces out there trashing hobbies, the inclination.There are lots of businesses catering to hobbies. For example, hobbies based on model-making (model railways etc) have a substantial industry built around them.
Hobby Lobby. Christian extremists. Birth control. Insurance. Stealing other cultures’ antiquities.
transition said:
when is the latter not the former?
When you are a professional
transition said:
is all sport competitive?
I’d say yes, by definition, although I suppose non-competitive surfing would usually be considered a sport rather than a hobby.
Also mountain climbing.
So I’m changing that to a no, not necessarily (but usually).
transition said:
are hobbies cool, and does sport displace hobbies?
Presumably the people practicing the hobby think so, and I suppose it can in some cases.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
when is the latter not the former?When you are a professional
transition said:
is all sport competitive?I’d say yes, by definition, although I suppose non-competitive surfing would usually be considered a sport rather than a hobby.
Also mountain climbing.
So I’m changing that to a no, not necessarily (but usually).
transition said:
are hobbies cool, and does sport displace hobbies?Presumably the people practicing the hobby think so, and I suppose it can in some cases.
Very sporting of you rev,
dv said:
This is a semantic discussion.
Well all discussions are (or should be) semantic to some extent, since all words have fuzzy meanings, so you need to clarify the meaning intended.
But I don’t think transitions intent was just semantic.
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
Peak Warming Man said:
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
I hear that they are now allowing women to do morris dancing. They call it Morrisette Dancing though. how ironic.
Peak Warming Man said:
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
It is just silly.
Peak Warming Man said:
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
No it’s not.
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
No it’s not.
Competitive Morris Dancing been forced to go underground, in dark and dingy back street venues, thanks to the massive betting rings involved in the outcome. No wonder you don’t know about it, Kii. It’s not somewhere that the likes of you are I would like to be. There are quite a few troubled souls who have been involved, who have fled for the lives. They can be identified by their mutterings of ‘The bells, the bells’….
ruby said:
kii said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Morris dancing was originally an entertaining way to get from one village to another or one pub to another but now it’s an international fiercely competitive sport.
No it’s not.
Competitive Morris Dancing been forced to go underground, in dark and dingy back street venues, thanks to the massive betting rings involved in the outcome. No wonder you don’t know about it, Kii. It’s not somewhere that the likes of you are I would like to be. There are quite a few troubled souls who have been involved, who have fled for the lives. They can be identified by their mutterings of ‘The bells, the bells’….
I understand.
I wonder how they keep their white pantaloons cleans?
kii said:
ruby said:
kii said:No it’s not.
Competitive Morris Dancing been forced to go underground, in dark and dingy back street venues, thanks to the massive betting rings involved in the outcome. No wonder you don’t know about it, Kii. It’s not somewhere that the likes of you are I would like to be. There are quite a few troubled souls who have been involved, who have fled for the lives. They can be identified by their mutterings of ‘The bells, the bells’….
I understand.
I wonder how they keep their white pantaloons cleans?
The pantaloons may be clean, but their souls are dark. Knowing this is the beginning of understanding PWM, and his postings. We can but hope that his rural past times may heal him. Unless he is taking his hobby to rural Queensland too.
http://www.etymonline.com/word/hobby
http://www.etymonline.com/word/hobbyhorse