The slightly early election in Qld means that the following election will be in October 2020. After that, Queensland will be on four year fixed terms like the rest of the states and territories except for Tasmania.

One aspect of fixing the terms is that the various states and territories have a fixed relationship to each other.

The NSW election always follows the Victorian election. The Queensland election will always follow the Territorial elections. Queensland and WA make a nice pair opposite NSW and Vic in the cycle. If we went to four year fixed terms for the Federal Parliament, the timing of elections would have political impacts on the states. For instance, if the Federal elections were always shortly after the NSW elections, the NSW elections would perennially be influenced by a protest vote. I guess a nice spot not too close to anything would be early 2020.

dv said:

The slightly early election in Qld means that the following election will be in October 2020. After that, Queensland will be on four year fixed terms like the rest of the states and territories except for Tasmania.

One aspect of fixing the terms is that the various states and territories have a fixed relationship to each other.

The NSW election always follows the Victorian election. The Queensland election will always follow the Territorial elections. Queensland and WA make a nice pair opposite NSW and Vic in the cycle. If we went to four year fixed terms for the Federal Parliament, the timing of elections would have political impacts on the states. For instance, if the Federal elections were always shortly after the NSW elections, the NSW elections would perennially be influenced by a protest vote. I guess a nice spot not too close to anything would be early 2020.

Why?

dv said:

The slightly early election in Qld means that the following election will be in October 2020. After that, Queensland will be on four year fixed terms like the rest of the states and territories except for Tasmania.

One aspect of fixing the terms is that the various states and territories have a fixed relationship to each other.

The NSW election always follows the Victorian election. The Queensland election will always follow the Territorial elections. Queensland and WA make a nice pair opposite NSW and Vic in the cycle. If we went to four year fixed terms for the Federal Parliament, the timing of elections would have political impacts on the states. For instance, if the Federal elections were always shortly after the NSW elections, the NSW elections would perennially be influenced by a protest vote. I guess a nice spot not too close to anything would be early 2020.

Perpetual motion machine

Ian said:

dv said:

The slightly early election in Qld means that the following election will be in October 2020. After that, Queensland will be on four year fixed terms like the rest of the states and territories except for Tasmania.

One aspect of fixing the terms is that the various states and territories have a fixed relationship to each other.

The NSW election always follows the Victorian election. The Queensland election will always follow the Territorial elections. Queensland and WA make a nice pair opposite NSW and Vic in the cycle. If we went to four year fixed terms for the Federal Parliament, the timing of elections would have political impacts on the states. For instance, if the Federal elections were always shortly after the NSW elections, the NSW elections would perennially be influenced by a protest vote. I guess a nice spot not too close to anything would be early 2020.

Perpetual motion machine

Morning all.
I know it’s a bit simplistic but why not have all the elections on the same day?

Tamb said:

I know it’s a bit simplistic but why not have all the elections on the same day?

I think that is a fine idea, but that is not what the states and territories have decided.

dv said:

Tamb said:

I know it’s a bit simplistic but why not have all the elections on the same day?

I think that is a fine idea, but that is not what the states and territories have decided.

Sadly they haven’t, for purely political reasons.

Don’t care how often we have elections as long as they aren’t fixed.

Peak Warming Man said:

Don’t care how often we have elections as long as they aren’t fixed.

Trust me, they’re broken.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

I know it’s a bit simplistic but why not have all the elections on the same day?

I think that is a fine idea, but that is not what the states and territories have decided.

Sadly they haven’t, for purely political reasons.

It’s like the rail gauge, they all went their own way…

Now we have the electric internet, I think we should have elections every Sunday morning.

You’d get to vote on whether you were happy with the government’s performance over the past week, and if more than 50% voted no the government and opposition would swap for the next week.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Now we have the electric internet, I think we should have elections every Sunday morning.

You’d get to vote on whether you were happy with the government’s performance over the past week, and if more than 50% voted no the government and opposition would swap for the next week.

I think that would be a bit inefficient…

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Now we have the electric internet, I think we should have elections every Sunday morning.

You’d get to vote on whether you were happy with the government’s performance over the past week, and if more than 50% voted no the government and opposition would swap for the next week.

I think that would be a bit inefficient…

Yeah, we may need to wait until we have AI politicians before we can get it working properly.

Maybe make it monthly for now.

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

dv said:

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

Srsly also, is it not strange that even the largest companies have an annual review of how the board is performing, but even the smallest government body does not have anything similar?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

Srsly also, is it not strange that even the largest companies have an annual review of how the board is performing, but even the smallest government body does not have anything similar?

Well the polls do perform that function to some extent.

dv said:

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

Know this one too. New Zealand has that. The first Citizen Initiated Referendum in NZ was whether firefighters should get a pay rise.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

Srsly also, is it not strange that even the largest companies have an annual review of how the board is performing, but even the smallest government body does not have anything similar?

The country is run by people like Sir Humphry Appleby, shadowy figures who you sometimes see at Senate Estimates.
These people spend their whole career running a country, the parliament and the egotistic conceited swill in it are of little concern in the greater scheme of things.
Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots for months and months deciding which swill he wold support the country trundled along quite nicely.

Here are the years in which the various States and Territories brought in fixed four year terms (ie the first election year of the cycle, not the year the decision was made).

NSW 1995
Victoria 2002
Australian Capital Territory 2004
South Australia 2006
Northern Territory 2012
Western Australia 2013
Queensland 2020

Is there any appetite in Tasmania for FYFT?

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Srsly though, I do think there should be more avenues for direct democracy in Australia: citizen-initiated referenda and so forth.

Srsly also, is it not strange that even the largest companies have an annual review of how the board is performing, but even the smallest government body does not have anything similar?

The country is run by people like Sir Humphry Appleby, shadowy figures who you sometimes see at Senate Estimates.
These people spend their whole career running a country, the parliament and the egotistic conceited swill in it are of little concern in the greater scheme of things.
Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots for months and months deciding which swill he wold support the country trundled along quite nicely.

:)

Peak Warming Man said:

Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots ………………………….

LYW, Mr Man. :)

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots ………………………….

LYW, Mr Man. :)

Better that Windsor ties himself in knots than that Hanson’s policies become concrete.

I’ll give you two and half stars for the Windsor knot pun

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Srsly also, is it not strange that even the largest companies have an annual review of how the board is performing, but even the smallest government body does not have anything similar?

The country is run by people like Sir Humphry Appleby, shadowy figures who you sometimes see at Senate Estimates.
These people spend their whole career running a country, the parliament and the egotistic conceited swill in it are of little concern in the greater scheme of things.
Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots for months and months deciding which swill he wold support the country trundled along quite nicely.

:)

It is sort of worse than that. It is getting to the point where the people are the enemy. The representation thing is failing.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The country is run by people like Sir Humphry Appleby, shadowy figures who you sometimes see at Senate Estimates.
These people spend their whole career running a country, the parliament and the egotistic conceited swill in it are of little concern in the greater scheme of things.
Even when Windsor was tying himself in knots for months and months deciding which swill he wold support the country trundled along quite nicely.

:)

It is sort of worse than that. It is getting to the point where the people are the enemy. The representation thing is failing.

Looks like the next Tas election will be close

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

:)

It is sort of worse than that. It is getting to the point where the people are the enemy. The representation thing is failing.

Looks like the next Tas election will be close

They should never have cut parliament to 25.
The Liberals seem to be ramping up a new and not very smart green hate campaign.
Aside from a more attractive Labor leader it all looks sad.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

It is sort of worse than that. It is getting to the point where the people are the enemy. The representation thing is failing.

Looks like the next Tas election will be close

They should never have cut parliament to 25.
The Liberals seem to be ramping up a new and not very smart green hate campaign.
Aside from a more attractive Labor leader it all looks sad.

Ah. 15 or 20 years ago I was saying we should pushing tourism and not forestry. Forestry is still costing 50 mill+ to fuck the ecology. Tourism is booming and is now becoming a place for corruption. Skyscrapers are not the way forward. That isn’t why people want to come here. Killing off heritage is the wrong direction.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

It is sort of worse than that. It is getting to the point where the people are the enemy. The representation thing is failing.

Looks like the next Tas election will be close

They should never have cut parliament to 25.
The Liberals seem to be ramping up a new and not very smart green hate campaign.
Aside from a more attractive Labor leader it all looks sad.

It seems to be costing Tasmania money to keep native forest logging going. I don’t really understand why they do this. The marginal employment brought about my permitting native forest logging is around 500. Just redirect those people into plantation management or something.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Looks like the next Tas election will be close

They should never have cut parliament to 25.
The Liberals seem to be ramping up a new and not very smart green hate campaign.
Aside from a more attractive Labor leader it all looks sad.

It seems to be costing Tasmania money to keep native forest logging going. I don’t really understand why they do this. The marginal employment brought about my permitting native forest logging is around 500. Just redirect those people into plantation management or something.

Opening up new coups means roadworks. The feds pay for the roadworks.

They also got 50 mill off the feds to search for the foxes that weren’t there.

Ah well I’m sure that will all be sorted out when we abolish the state governments.

dv said:

Ah well I’m sure that will all be sorted out when we abolish the state governments.

Yeah. Sure. The states think they should be getting rid of councils.

What I want to know is, what do would-be pollies do in between elections? The outgoing dude from the last election, Reg Gulley, presumably had a real job after he was ousted and I know he’s re-contesting the seat this time. Perhaps I can ambush him again* to ask.

*i was doing an assignment and needed to chat to a pollie. Because they never answer emails or phone calls, I ambushed him at a “meet your local member” day. I got a HD for that assignment.

Most of them have regular jobs.

Divine Angel said:

What I want to know is, what do would-be pollies do in between elections? The outgoing dude from the last election, Reg Gulley, presumably had a real job after he was ousted and I know he’s re-contesting the seat this time. Perhaps I can ambush him again* to ask.

*i was doing an assignment and needed to chat to a pollie. Because they never answer emails or phone calls, I ambushed him at a “meet your local member” day. I got a HD for that assignment.

advisors and lobbyist positions.

Mr Gulley is an accountant so I guess he went back to accounting.

Four year fixed terms used to be my favourite investments. But now the interest rate has dropped so low that sometimes single year fixed term will have a higher interest rate.

mollwollfumble said:

Four year fixed terms used to be my favourite investments. But now the interest rate has dropped so low that sometimes single year fixed term will have a higher interest rate.

I recently took an 8 month high (relatively speaking) fixed term investment.
I’m sure uniform fixed 4 year term elections would generate little interest though.

Four year fixed terms always seemed like a good idea. But wait – look what has happened in the US of Paranoia.

bucolic3401 said:

Four year fixed terms always seemed like a good idea. But wait – look what has happened in the US of Paranoia.

Note that there are full elections to the House of Representatives in the USA every two years.