Date: 2/11/2017 14:40:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1141729
Subject: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

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Date: 2/11/2017 15:12:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1141745
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

PermeateFree said:


One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

Thanks for that.
Link didn’t work for me.

Link with picture

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Date: 2/11/2017 15:34:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1141766
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

PermeateFree said:


One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

It is flash.

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Date: 2/11/2017 15:40:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1141773
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

The Rev Dodgson said:


PermeateFree said:

One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

Thanks for that.
Link didn’t work for me.

Link with picture

:)

Both links worked for me. The trove link allows zooming etc.

:)

Cheers.

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Date: 2/11/2017 15:48:16
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1141782
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

The Rev Dodgson said:


PermeateFree said:

One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

Thanks for that.
Link didn’t work for me.

Link with picture

This is both interesting and disturbing. There are numerous other maps from about that time that are startlingly similar, obviously copied off one another.

Compare for example. The first two look very much the same but are given different dates, 1663 vs 1659. They are the two that extend up to India.





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Date: 2/11/2017 15:52:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1141790
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Why disturbing, moll?

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Date: 2/11/2017 15:54:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1141793
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:00:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1141800
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Peak Warming Man said:


Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
The longitude is a bit dodgy though. Well, more than a bit. Heaps dodgy.

Before chronometers, I suppose.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:01:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1141802
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Peak Warming Man said:


Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
And why is the ToC moving northwards at 15 metres per year? Axial precession?

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:01:46
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1141805
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
The longitude is a bit dodgy though. Well, more than a bit. Heaps dodgy.

Before chronometers, I suppose.

it all changed after Harrison. we knew where we were then.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:02:27
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1141807
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
And why is the ToC moving northwards at 15 metres per year? Axial precession?

It appears so.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:03:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1141808
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
And why is the ToC moving northwards at 15 metres per year? Axial precession?

It appears so.

it heads a little further north each year…

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:03:32
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1141809
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
The longitude is a bit dodgy though. Well, more than a bit. Heaps dodgy.

Before chronometers, I suppose.

it all changed after Harrison. we knew where we were then.

It makes you wonder why they were all looking for the Great South land 100 years later.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:03:49
From: Michael V
ID: 1141810
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Well they seem to have the Tropic of Capricorn in the right place.
Currently it is flying north at a brisk 15000mm a year.
Obviously it hasn’t been doing that since the map was drawn otherwise the ToC would have been some 5000 kilometers to the South then.
And why is the ToC moving northwards at 15 metres per year? Axial precession?

Seems so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_latitude#Movement_of_the_Tropical_and_Polar_circles

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:18:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1141826
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

One of the Library’s greatest treasures, a 1663 map of New Holland—the map on which all subsequent mapping of Australia is based—is soon to take pride of place in the Treasures Gallery. Archipelagus Orientalis, sive Asiaticus (Eastern or Asian Archipelago) by master cartographer for the Dutch East India Company Joan Blaeu has undergone extensive conservation treatment by expert National Library conservators as well as specialists from Melbourne University.

The National Library acquired the rare map in 2013 after it was discovered in a storage facility in Sweden where it is believed to have been left, forgotten, for hundreds of years. It was in a fragile condition, with much deterioration and flaking.

Thanks to huge public support, the Library raised more than $100,000 to pay for specialist preservation treatment. Today, the Blaeu map has been stabilised so it can be safely displayed in the Treasures Gallery, for a limited time.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

Thanks for that.
Link didn’t work for me.

Link with picture

:)

Both links worked for me. The trove link allows zooming etc.

:)

Cheers.

Tried Trove again and it worked no problem.

Much better being able to zoom right in.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232510007/view

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:31:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1141838
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

PermeateFree said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

The longitude is a bit dodgy though. Well, more than a bit. Heaps dodgy.

Before chronometers, I suppose.

it all changed after Harrison. we knew where we were then.

It makes you wonder why they were all looking for the Great South land 100 years later.

They were looking for somewhere to send riff raff. They couldn’t send riff raff to the Americas anymore.

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Date: 2/11/2017 16:48:02
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1141856
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

sarahs mum said:


PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

it all changed after Harrison. we knew where we were then.

It makes you wonder why they were all looking for the Great South land 100 years later.

They were looking for somewhere to send riff raff. They couldn’t send riff raff to the Americas anymore.

But Cook and Co did not seem to know of a Great South Land, it was assumed one was down here (to balance the world).

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Date: 2/11/2017 18:47:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1141950
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

The map I want to see most is a big version of the the Dauphin world map. It’s quite like this. It’s one of 37 similar charts. It is huge. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_maps
These were made between c1542 and c1584. Well before the Dutch maps. Wikipedia contains no image of the Dauphin map and all I’ve seen so far are small excerpts in books.

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Date: 2/11/2017 18:48:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 1141951
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

mollwollfumble said:


The map I want to see most is a big version of the the Dauphin world map. It’s quite like this. It’s one of 37 similar charts. It is huge. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_maps
These were made between c1542 and c1584. Well before the Dutch maps. Wikipedia contains no image of the Dauphin map and all I’ve seen so far are small excerpts in books.


They had some idea of northern Australia..

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Date: 2/11/2017 18:53:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1141952
Subject: re: 1663 Dutch Map of Australia

mollwollfumble said:


The map I want to see most is a big version of the the Dauphin world map. It’s quite like this. It’s one of 37 similar charts. It is huge. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_maps
These were made between c1542 and c1584. Well before the Dutch maps. Wikipedia contains no image of the Dauphin map and all I’ve seen so far are small excerpts in books.


From our perspective it seems at first surprising that they got S America much more accurate than N America at that time, but not so surprising on reflection I suppose.

Africa looks pretty good.

I’m surprised India is so small.

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