Date: 8/11/2017 23:25:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1145252
Subject: Space Elevator on the Moon

Space elevator

On the near side of the Moon, the strength-to-density required of the tether of a lunar space elevator exists in currently available materials. A lunar space elevator would be about 50,000 kilometers (31,000 mi) long. Since the Moon does not rotate fast enough, there is no effective lunar-stationary orbit, but the Lagrangian points could be used. The near side would extend through the Earth-Moon L1 point from an anchor point near the center of the visible part of Earth’s Moon.

On the far side of the Moon, a lunar space elevator would need to be very long—more than twice the length of an Earth elevator—but due to the low gravity of the Moon, could also be made of existing engineering materials.

Could you have a dual or triple powered space elevator ?

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Date: 9/11/2017 04:56:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1145303
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

Tau.Neutrino said:


Space elevator

On the near side of the Moon, the strength-to-density required of the tether of a lunar space elevator exists in currently available materials. A lunar space elevator would be about 50,000 kilometers (31,000 mi) long. Since the Moon does not rotate fast enough, there is no effective lunar-stationary orbit, but the Lagrangian points could be used. The near side would extend through the Earth-Moon L1 point from an anchor point near the center of the visible part of Earth’s Moon.

On the far side of the Moon, a lunar space elevator would need to be very long—more than twice the length of an Earth elevator—but due to the low gravity of the Moon, could also be made of existing engineering materials.

Could you have a dual or triple powered space elevator ?

> Since the Moon does not rotate fast enough, there is no effective lunar-stationary orbit

Yep. That’s why a space elevator on the Moon is a bad thing.

Remember that the Russians safely brought back rocks by launching them from the Moon using an absolutely tiny rocket, just 1.5 metres long. Rocket from the Moon is good, but if the fuel needs to be manufactured on the Moon itself then a rail gun is the best for mass transport because, unlike the Earth, there’s no atmosphere on the Moon to rob the rail gun projectile of energy.

It was pointed out to me some time ago that the ideal place for a space elevator is Mars. That remains true. It has all the necessary components of spin, significant atmosphere (which rules out railgun), and low gravity.

> but the Lagrangian points could be used.

Aaaaaagh! No. You do know how far the Lagrangian points are from the Moon, right.

> Could you have a dual or triple powered space elevator ?

You’ll have to explain that in more detail, please.

This is a picture of the Luna 16 ascent stage rocket taking rocks from the Moon to Earth.

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Date: 9/11/2017 08:31:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1145322
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

mollwollfumble said:

> but the Lagrangian points could be used.

Aaaaaagh! No. You do know how far the Lagrangian points are from the Moon, right.

Well I presume TN just copied and pasted rather than checking all the numbers, but according to TATE the L1 point is 58000 km from the Moon (I presume that’s from its centre), compared with 37000 km for Earth Geostationary orbit.

So given the much lower gravity, that doesn’t seem to make it a totally stupid proposition.

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:17:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1145462
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

> but the Lagrangian points could be used.

Aaaaaagh! No. You do know how far the Lagrangian points are from the Moon, right.

Well I presume TN just copied and pasted rather than checking all the numbers, but according to TATE the L1 point is 58000 km from the Moon (I presume that’s from its centre), compared with 37000 km for Earth Geostationary orbit.

So given the much lower gravity, that doesn’t seem to make it a totally stupid proposition.

Golly. I hadn’t realised that it was that similar.

What I said before about both rocket and railgun being better still holds.

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:21:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1145463
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

How would you build one on Earth (assuming you could) would it have to be tapered from bottom to top as the bottom has to support everything above it. In fiction they always seem to be the same diameter

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:22:39
From: dv
ID: 1145465
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

Let me know if you want some help with the propulsion or gravitation calculations.

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:32:27
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1145467
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

How about putting a circular hyper loop mag lev / rocket or a curricular rail / rocket deliver platform on the moon

work out the fastest speed going around in a curve 10km diameter 20km diameter or more

then launch on the space elevator

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:38:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1145468
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

Cymek said:


How would you build one on Earth (assuming you could) would it have to be tapered from bottom to top as the bottom has to support everything above it. In fiction they always seem to be the same diameter

It would be in tension, hanging from the structure at the top end, so the material would need to get thicker towards the top.

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:46:10
From: Ian
ID: 1145472
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

How would you build one on Earth (assuming you could) would it have to be tapered from bottom to top as the bottom has to support everything above it. In fiction they always seem to be the same diameter

It would be in tension, hanging from the structure at the top end, so the material would need to get thicker towards the top.

Wouldn’t it be pulling on the surface of the earth with the same force?

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:53:52
From: sibeen
ID: 1145479
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

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Date: 9/11/2017 15:55:14
From: sibeen
ID: 1145481
Subject: re: Space Elevator on the Moon

sibeen said:

  • Rushes in

FUCK OFF

I love cricket season.

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