One of the best articles written about this I reckon.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-11-26/youve-just-been-bitten-by-a-snake-%E2%80%94-what-do-you-do/9176728
it’s an article, the advice is exactly what st john also say.. I wouldn’t say the best but timely good advice is good advice.
Arts said:
it’s an article, the advice is exactly what st john also say.. I wouldn’t say the best but timely good advice is good advice.
It explained the lymphatic system, something that other articles never have.
Sure they mention it but none went to the trouble of explaining it.
Of explaining that the poison will only get into the blood stream when it reached a lymphatic node ie near the knee or the groin if bitten on the leg.
Peak Warming Man said:
Arts said:
it’s an article, the advice is exactly what st john also say.. I wouldn’t say the best but timely good advice is good advice.
It explained the lymphatic system, something that other articles never have.
Sure they mention it but none went to the trouble of explaining it.
Of explaining that the poison will only get into the blood stream when it reached a lymphatic node ie near the knee or the groin if bitten on the leg.
Yes, I quite liked that extra detail about the lymphatic node, which I’d never read before. Also good to read that as long as you stay put, you have a fair amount of time before you’d cark it.
Yeah, it’s alright. There’s a couple of other points that might be worth knowing:
Draw a circle around the area of the bite, and put a cross above it on the outside of the bandage. The advantages of these are (a) makes the bite easy to find, and (b) the Doc only needs to remove the marked area of bandage for checking and testing, leaving the rest of the limb in compression.
Most bandages in cheap first aid kits are garbage. You need heavy elasticised quality bandages for the job.
Or get these:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
Rule 303 said:
Yeah, it’s alright. There’s a couple of other points that might be worth knowing:Draw a circle around the area of the bite, and put a cross above it on the outside of the bandage. The advantages of these are (a) makes the bite easy to find, and (b) the Doc only needs to remove the marked area of bandage for checking and testing, leaving the rest of the limb in compression.
Most bandages in cheap first aid kits are garbage. You need heavy elasticised quality bandages for the job.
Or get these:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
just buy a setopress bandage – cheaper and available from most pharmacies ;)
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
just buy a setopress bandage – cheaper and available from most pharmacies ;)
Coupla bucks.
Rule 303 said:
Yeah, it’s alright. There’s a couple of other points that might be worth knowing:Draw a circle around the area of the bite, and put a cross above it on the outside of the bandage. The advantages of these are (a) makes the bite easy to find, and (b) the Doc only needs to remove the marked area of bandage for checking and testing, leaving the rest of the limb in compression.
Most bandages in cheap first aid kits are garbage. You need heavy elasticised quality bandages for the job.
Or get these:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
Ta, I just ordered one of those.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Yeah, it’s alright. There’s a couple of other points that might be worth knowing:Draw a circle around the area of the bite, and put a cross above it on the outside of the bandage. The advantages of these are (a) makes the bite easy to find, and (b) the Doc only needs to remove the marked area of bandage for checking and testing, leaving the rest of the limb in compression.
Most bandages in cheap first aid kits are garbage. You need heavy elasticised quality bandages for the job.
Or get these:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
just buy a setopress bandage – cheaper and available from most pharmacies ;)
what about stuff like vet wrap elastic bandage?
Bogsnorkler said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
Yeah, it’s alright. There’s a couple of other points that might be worth knowing:Draw a circle around the area of the bite, and put a cross above it on the outside of the bandage. The advantages of these are (a) makes the bite easy to find, and (b) the Doc only needs to remove the marked area of bandage for checking and testing, leaving the rest of the limb in compression.
Most bandages in cheap first aid kits are garbage. You need heavy elasticised quality bandages for the job.
Or get these:
Very clever, but dear as poison… or venom, in this case.
just buy a setopress bandage – cheaper and available from most pharmacies ;)
what about stuff like vet wrap elastic bandage?
For the donkey in your life…
Doesn’t have the little squares on it to guide the amount of pressure like Rules and the Setopress.
Peak Warming Man said:
One of the best articles written about this I reckon.http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-11-26/youve-just-been-bitten-by-a-snake-%E2%80%94-what-do-you-do/9176728
Yes, a very good article.
I am aware of the first aid measures for snake bite, although I didn’t realise that the bandaging was supposed to be so extensive. I carry a (dirty old) elastic bandage in the tool kit of the (dirty old) Patrol but have never had to use it.
How confident are you? A legless lizard (left) and an eastern brown snake.
Well, I am confident. Anguis fragilis or Slowworm looks distinct enough from the eastern brown snake. It is round in cross section and shiny. The snake has a flatish head and upper body. Also it won’t turn around and try to bite you.. it will dive for cover.
But I suppose if it’s your first encounter with either of them then there could be confusion.
Anyway, no black snakes, no brown snakes visiting today.. not even a slow worm.. just this little fella…
Ian said:
Huh!
Anyway, no black snakes, no brown snakes visiting today.. not even a slow worm.. just this little fella…
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.
:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
Ian said:
Anyway, no black snakes, no brown snakes visiting today.. not even a slow worm.. just this little fella…
Impressed, love looking at reptiles doing their stuff, so well adapted to the Australian environment. Peeking into the lives of dinosaurs would be magic, there must have been a huge number of species considering the amount of time they were evolving. I have a number of large and small lizards here, along with several snakes. They do get to know you and do not worry about your presence, especially if you remain still and let them go about their business. As a matter of interest the large skinks really like unsalted peanuts.
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.
:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
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Me neither. WP says they are one and the same…
“The lace monitor or lace goanna (Varanus varius) is a member of the monitor lizard family, Australian members of which are commonly known as goannas. It belongs to the subgenus Varanus.”
Ian said:
What I meant was: “Your goanna looks like a Lace Monitor. Mine did too. But I’m not a goanna expert – so take my tentative ID with a grain of salt.”
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
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Me neither. WP says they are one and the same…
“The lace monitor or lace goanna (Varanus varius) is a member of the monitor lizard family, Australian members of which are commonly known as goannas. It belongs to the subgenus Varanus.”
I think this species is also commonly called a “Sand Goanna”.
Michael V said:
Ian said:What I meant was: “Your goanna looks like a Lace Monitor. Mine did too. But I’m not a goanna expert – so take my tentative ID with a grain of salt.”
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
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Me neither. WP says they are one and the same…
“The lace monitor or lace goanna (Varanus varius) is a member of the monitor lizard family, Australian members of which are commonly known as goannas. It belongs to the subgenus Varanus.”
I think this species is also commonly called a “Sand Goanna”.
So, you are a goanna expert. I’m confused.
Ian said:
You’re confused? Spare a thought for me, please!
Michael V said:
Ian said:What I meant was: “Your goanna looks like a Lace Monitor. Mine did too. But I’m not a goanna expert – so take my tentative ID with a grain of salt.”
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
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Me neither. WP says they are one and the same…
“The lace monitor or lace goanna (Varanus varius) is a member of the monitor lizard family, Australian members of which are commonly known as goannas. It belongs to the subgenus Varanus.”
I think this species is also commonly called a “Sand Goanna”.
So, you are a goanna expert. I’m confused.
Michael V said:
Ian said:What I meant was: “Your goanna looks like a Lace Monitor. Mine did too. But I’m not a goanna expert – so take my tentative ID with a grain of salt.”
We had one like that at the house the day before yesterday.:)
(I’m guessing in both cases – Lace Monitor – but I’m no goanna expert.)
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Me neither. WP says they are one and the same…
“The lace monitor or lace goanna (Varanus varius) is a member of the monitor lizard family, Australian members of which are commonly known as goannas. It belongs to the subgenus Varanus.”
I think this species is also commonly called a “Sand Goanna”.
Monitors although they look distinctive can be very confusing as their marking often vary. The Rosenberg’s Goanna, Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match, although a lot would depend on where the goanna was seen.
Always drink beer when you go sailing..
It prevents snakebite.
i suppose sucking the venom out and both running around wailing is not the best practise anymore?
monkey skipper said:
i suppose sucking the venom out and both running around wailing is not the best practise anymore?
whilst shouting Mr Grimsdale!
monkey skipper said:
i suppose sucking the venom out and both running around wailing is not the best practise anymore?
It was never the best practice.
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match
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Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
roughbarked said:
monkey skipper said:
i suppose sucking the venom out and both running around wailing is not the best practise anymore?
It was never the best practice.
oh …. yeah ….but ….. twas interesting tv viewing in the ol’ westerns….
monkey skipper said:
roughbarked said:
monkey skipper said:
i suppose sucking the venom out and both running around wailing is not the best practise anymore?
It was never the best practice.
oh …. yeah ….but ….. twas interesting tv viewing in the ol’ westerns….
Tough men. Unfortunately they didn’t see a dentist often.
Ian said:
Hmmm. Distribution doesn’t include your area or my area, Ian.
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/rosenbergi
Ian said:
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
Double Dutch to me too, but there are better sites to check. However that ID although plausible is incorrect. Went back to the original photo and noticed the white tip tail, which places this species as Gould’s Sand Monitor – Varanus gouldii gouldii. They are very similar in appearance, but the white tail is a distinctive feature.
Ian said:
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
C’est clair pour moi.
mcgoon said:
Ian said:
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
C’est clair pour moi.
ca plane pour moi
Stumpy_seahorse said:
mcgoon said:
Ian said:
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
C’est clair pour moi.
ca plane pour moi
oui, ca plane pour moi aussi.
And excellent roast lamb it was too. And excellent Dutch Cream potatoes cooked in the juices. And asparagus what I growed. This was the last pick for the year.
Whoops!
Click on the “More photos” tab to get a visual idea of the pattern and colour variation within this species.
http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/varius
Michael V said:
Click on the “More photos” tab to get a visual idea of the pattern and colour variation within this species.http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/varius
Like I said in my last post, that is the species and being distinctive by the white tip on the tail.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Click on the “More photos” tab to get a visual idea of the pattern and colour variation within this species.http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/varius
Like I said in my last post, that is the species and being distinctive by the white tip on the tail.
Yep, the common name for that is the White Tipped Lace Goanna.
PermeateFree said:
Sorry, but you seem to have said this in your last post.
Ian said:
Varanus rosenbergi looks to be a reasonable match_______________
Ah, thanks.
Wikipedia throws this up…
Varanus rosenbergi
Cette espèce est endémique d’Australie. Elle se rencontre en Nouvelle-Galles du Sud, dans le sud-ouest du Victoria, en Australie-Méridionale et dans le sud de l’Australie-Occidentale.
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clears that up
Double Dutch to me too, but there are better sites to check. However that ID although plausible is incorrect. Went back to the original photo and noticed the white tip tail, which places this species as Gould’s Sand Monitor – Varanus gouldii gouldii. They are very similar in appearance, but the white tail is a distinctive feature.
Michael V said:
Click on the “More photos” tab to get a visual idea of the pattern and colour variation within this species.http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/varius
Thanks Michael.
Yeah, I’ll call it a Lace Monitor. But there might be a clue in the species name.. many and various
Peak Warming Man said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Click on the “More photos” tab to get a visual idea of the pattern and colour variation within this species.http://www.arod.com.au/arod/reptilia/Squamata/Varanidae/Varanus/varius
Like I said in my last post, that is the species and being distinctive by the white tip on the tail.
Yep, the common name for that is the White Tipped Lace Goanna.
Sorry, this thread is getting terribly confusing. It NOT Varanidae/Varanus/varius the Lace Monitor, but it IS Gould’s Sand Monitor – Varanus gouldii gouldii, the subject of my earlier post below.
>>Double Dutch to me too, but there are better sites to check. However that ID although plausible is incorrect. Went back to the original photo and noticed the white tip tail, which places this species as Gould’s Sand Monitor – Varanus gouldii gouldii. They are very similar in appearance, but the white tail is a distinctive feature.<<
http://esperancewildlife.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Reptiles%20-%20Lizards%2FGoanna
