lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Last time I looked, men still ruled the world.

But there’s a lot of criticism of badly behaved men in the entertainment industry.

Don’t you think that’s a positive development?

Alpha males are often douche bags who think might is right and crave power, dangerous people or at least in more cases people you don’t want in charge

transition said:

lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Don’t think I’ve ever met an alpha male. I have met a few males who liked to play one-upmanship, but even my sister does that.

So, what defines an alpha male?

“They’re cool. They’re confident. They walk into a room, and everybody stops and notices. An Alpha Male has certain unmistakable characteristics. A natural leader, he is a pack builder. He leads, provides for and protects his pack. Where other guys see change as crisis, an Alpha Male is in his natural element. He continually observes cause and effect, and turns every opportunity to the advantage of his pack. He loves to win and is good at it. He is unconcerned with his image — he just goes about winning the game at hand, whatever it may be, and others follow. Often laid-back until there is a need for action, an Alpha Male is fearless in a necessary fight. And he is the best leader of men there is.”

It’s a myth. Ain’t no such thing.

What I’ve noticed about natural male leaders is a total hypocrisy, they don’t give a damn about anyone else, but hypoctically pretend to.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Don’t think I’ve ever met an alpha male. I have met a few males who liked to play one-upmanship, but even my sister does that.

So, what defines an alpha male?

“They’re cool. They’re confident. They walk into a room, and everybody stops and notices. An Alpha Male has certain unmistakable characteristics. A natural leader, he is a pack builder. He leads, provides for and protects his pack. Where other guys see change as crisis, an Alpha Male is in his natural element. He continually observes cause and effect, and turns every opportunity to the advantage of his pack. He loves to win and is good at it. He is unconcerned with his image — he just goes about winning the game at hand, whatever it may be, and others follow. Often laid-back until there is a need for action, an Alpha Male is fearless in a necessary fight. And he is the best leader of men there is.”

It’s a myth. Ain’t no such thing.

What I’ve noticed about natural male leaders is a total hypocrisy, they don’t give a damn about anyone else, but hypoctically pretend to.

Exactly those that crave power are the ones that should not be given it.
Charisma to me is an obvious means of grooming one to favour that person

i’m going to start with media, that lovely delivery service of entertainment.

happy to use celebrity for advertizing.

in a way it parasitizes, is likely to attract that it does from.

it needs ambition, and sex and sexual desire’s a big part of it, however distorted, and often disguised.

transition said:

lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Alpha males are relevant to chimpanzees, but not to bonobos. Outside pop-psy, sociologists generally reject the concept being applied to human societies because of their complexity and fluidity.

Neuroscientist Dean Burnett gives a decent summary of the case against human alpha males in this article, as well as a brief history of the pop-psychology concept of alphas in human society.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2016/oct/10/do-alpha-males-even-exist-donald-trump

dv said:

transition said:

lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Alpha males are relevant to chimpanzees, but not to bonobos. Outside pop-psy, sociologists generally reject the concept being applied to human societies because of their complexity and fluidity.

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies. Bonobos I think are female dominated.

PermeateFree said:

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies.

It appears to be applicable to a particular category of male dominated societies.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies.

It appears to be applicable to a particular category of male dominated societies.

When competition is strong between the social males. Those that live alone or are less aggressive are not alpha.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies.

It appears to be applicable to a particular category of male dominated societies.

When competition is strong between the social males. Those that live alone or are less aggressive are not alpha.

Whereas for us, aggression leads to imprisonment and a loss of power, but at least you won’t be living alone.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

It appears to be applicable to a particular category of male dominated societies.

When competition is strong between the social males. Those that live alone or are less aggressive are not alpha.

Whereas for us, aggression leads to imprisonment and a loss of power, but at least you won’t be living alone.

There are a lot of alpha males in jail, these guys are generally less sophisticated and rely on physical prowess to assert their dominance, whereas the smarter human uses manipulation and guile to reach the top of the pack.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

When competition is strong between the social males. Those that live alone or are less aggressive are not alpha.

Whereas for us, aggression leads to imprisonment and a loss of power, but at least you won’t be living alone.

There are a lot of alpha males in jail, these guys are generally less sophisticated and rely on physical prowess to assert their dominance, whereas the smarter human uses manipulation and guile to reach the top of the pack.

Dark Orange. taps nose

>Alpha males are relevant to chimpanzees, but not to bonobos. Outside pop-psy, sociologists generally reject the concept being applied to human societies because of their complexity and fluidity

don’t think i’ll be turning to sociology for my human nature studies, contemplations of the beast in the basement

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

transition said:

lot of social leveling of alpha males recently, and presently

what’s the ideal alpha male in modern culture?

are they to be rid of entirely?

Alpha males are relevant to chimpanzees, but not to bonobos. Outside pop-psy, sociologists generally reject the concept being applied to human societies because of their complexity and fluidity.

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies. Bonobos I think are female dominated.

They haven’t evolved very much have they

Heretical thought

The only reason we evolved is because we have always had a patriarchy

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Alpha males are relevant to chimpanzees, but not to bonobos. Outside pop-psy, sociologists generally reject the concept being applied to human societies because of their complexity and fluidity.

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies. Bonobos I think are female dominated.

They haven’t evolved very much have they

Heretical thought

The only reason we evolved is because we have always had a patriarchy

Might be a little more complicated.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

It seems to be applicable to male dominant societies. Bonobos I think are female dominated.

They haven’t evolved very much have they

Heretical thought

The only reason we evolved is because we have always had a patriarchy

Might be a little more complicated.

Women are rarely exolorers – if they are they are only following where men have gone before. Did human migration from Africa come about from men’s natural explore the world about them or from people never associated with exploration ??

Exploration is a male trait

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

They haven’t evolved very much have they

Heretical thought

The only reason we evolved is because we have always had a patriarchy

Might be a little more complicated.

Women are rarely exolorers – if they are they are only following where men have gone before. Did human migration from Africa come about from men’s natural explore the world about them or from people never associated with exploration ??

Exploration is a male trait

That is why alpha males only exist in a male social group. Women have nothing to do with it, unless associated with the alpha male.

wookiemeister said:

Women are rarely exolorers – if they are they are only following where men have gone before. Did human migration from Africa come about from men’s natural explore the world about them or from people never associated with exploration ??

Exploration is a male trait

You’d expect that. But I remember one study that found the opposite. I’ll start with a human tribal example – it is the women who move around from tribe to tribe, from place to place, not the men. The study I remember dealt with more recent human society and found that male genome lines were pretty well fixed in place, whereas female human genetic lines travelled much further and faster.

Here, what is true of humans does not apply to many other animal species. If young males get kicked out of an animal troop while young females are retained within it then the opposite would be true.

Some really good posts above, interesting that bonobos don’t have an alpha male system. Interesting use of alpha males in entertainment and advertising.

What we tend to call an “alpha male” would tend to be someone who is persona-driven. The persona is “the mask or façade presented to satisfy the demands of the situation or the environment and not representing the inner personality of the individual” and “a social role or a character played by an actor”.

mollwollfumble said:

It’s a myth. Ain’t no such thing.

The definition of alpha male that you posted is rubbish; there’s a very fine line between alpha male and douchebag.

There is absolutely no question that we are in a patriarchal society, and will be for some time. However, the tides are turning. People are listening to women and for the first time, men in power are being forced to confront their predatory behaviour towards women. No one listened to women concerning this behaviour as the male was too powerful, earned too much money.

Alpha males are often in positions of power, but they do not “protect their flock”. They hunt. They belittle others to get ahead. They stomp on whoever stands in their way. Yes, there are alpha females too.

Two short articles I have scanned over the past few days:

1.hiring men with daughters – works well in the corporate world apparently as they are more “human” towards their female colleagues

2. the culture of workplaces where sexist jokes and speech etc are seen as normal. That level of acceptance permeates throughout and it results in women being held back because they are not listened to etc. etc And more.
It’s why I kept speaking out about the sexist crap in the forum/sssf fb page. Just because it’s been an “accepted” behaviour, does not mean it’s okay and women don’t mind it.

>The study I remember dealt with more recent human society and found that male genome lines were pretty well fixed in place, whereas female human genetic lines travelled much further and faster.

ladies meeting up with the traveled men.

Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

Whereas for us, aggression leads to imprisonment and a loss of power, but at least you won’t be living alone.

There are a lot of alpha males in jail, these guys are generally less sophisticated and rely on physical prowess to assert their dominance, whereas the smarter human uses manipulation and guile to reach the top of the pack.

Dark Orange. taps nose

I just saw this :P