https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Peak Warming Man said:

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

Peak Warming Man said:

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Will it be maglev, or just conventional high speed like the TGV?

So when is this going to be built?

I presume it will be wide gauge in Vic, standard in NSW and narrow in QLD?

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Still, it will make my regular trip from Moree to Kagaru easier.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Or to the port, apparently. It stops at Acacia Ridge.

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/maps

Goes further west than I thought, no where near the Redoubt.

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Sure there is, bastards deserve it, especially in the dead of night.

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Or to the port, apparently. It stops at Acacia Ridge.

Yes, well, we can’t upset the road-transprt interests too much, you know.

Qld has a long history of appeasing the road-transport industry.

Until the 1960s, there was a perfectly serviceable rail line from Brisbane to the Gold Coast. This was torn up by the conservative government of the time. The fact that several prominent MPs had road-transport interests was purely coincidental.

In more recent years, it’s been considered a good idea to reconstruct a rail line to the Gold Cost environs.

As well, the Gold Coast has a ‘light railway’ network – what people in the Dark Ages called ‘trams’. Of course, we can’t call them ‘trams’, because that might bring into question the wisdom of ripping up tram networks all those years ago.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Sure there is, bastards deserve it, especially in the dead of night.

Won’t someone please think of the property values?!

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

I presume it will be wide gauge in Vic, standard in NSW and narrow in QLD?

Fair chance.

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

Apparently it’s not going to Brisbane.

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Or to the port, apparently. It stops at Acacia Ridge.

I can’t believe they haven’t sorted that yet. People were bitching about the need to connect AC to the port when I first moved to Brisbane in the late 1980s.

Maybe we can build our own Hyperloop, we have underground muncher machines.

dv said:

Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s going to a part of Brisbane.

There’s really no need to take goods trains right into the heart of the CBD.

Or to the port, apparently. It stops at Acacia Ridge.

I can’t believe they haven’t sorted that yet. People were bitching about the need to connect AC to the port when I first moved to Brisbane in the late 1980s.

It’s OK at the other end (Melbourne) All of Victoria’s interstate connections and longer distances are now standard gauge, including right into the port of Melbourne.

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

Woodie said:

dv said:

Woodie said:

Or to the port, apparently. It stops at Acacia Ridge.

I can’t believe they haven’t sorted that yet. People were bitching about the need to connect AC to the port when I first moved to Brisbane in the late 1980s.

It’s OK at the other end (Melbourne) All of Victoria’s interstate connections and longer distances are now standard gauge, including right into the port of Melbourne.

There’s standard gauge right into South Brisbane.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

….. and they still haven’t turned the first sod on that yet. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/projectsydney/construction-at-badgerys-to-begin-in-february/news-story/609046abe968c4909e4b48c92dae0006

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

So when is this going to be built?

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

The island of St Helena got their new airport first.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

The island of St Helena got their new airport first.

Well It was a bit isolated. Three days by ship from Capetown or the UK. One ship either way per month. 12 passengers per ship.

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

It’s simply a matter of scale. How many aircraft would it take to shift the equivalent of one container ship’s load? What size, and what number of airports, would be needed to replace shipping, or even make a dent in the tonnage that comes in or goes out by sea?

Ports are hugely important, more important to this island country than most Australians realise. Witness the concern over the current MUA strike/blockade in Melbourne. The Chinese understand the importance of ports, and their control. Ask the people in Darwin how they feel about the Chinese running their port for the next 99 years.

There’s signs on trucks that say ‘Trucks carry Australia’. Yes, they carry it to and from ports.

Other signs say ‘When trucks stop, Australia stops’. Well, when the ports stop, the trucks stop.

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

It’s simply a matter of scale. How many aircraft would it take to shift the equivalent of one container ship’s load? What size, and what number of airports, would be needed to replace shipping, or even make a dent in the tonnage that comes in or goes out by sea?

Ports are hugely important, more important to this island country than most Australians realise. Witness the concern over the current MUA strike/blockade in Melbourne. The Chinese understand the importance of ports, and their control. Ask the people in Darwin how they feel about the Chinese running their port for the next 99 years.

There’s signs on trucks that say ‘Trucks carry Australia’. Yes, they carry it to and from ports.

Other signs say ‘When trucks stop, Australia stops’. Well, when the ports stop, the trucks stop.

Likewise, rail is the best long distance bulk transport.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

It’s simply a matter of scale. How many aircraft would it take to shift the equivalent of one container ship’s load? What size, and what number of airports, would be needed to replace shipping, or even make a dent in the tonnage that comes in or goes out by sea?

Ports are hugely important, more important to this island country than most Australians realise. Witness the concern over the current MUA strike/blockade in Melbourne. The Chinese understand the importance of ports, and their control. Ask the people in Darwin how they feel about the Chinese running their port for the next 99 years.

There’s signs on trucks that say ‘Trucks carry Australia’. Yes, they carry it to and from ports.

Other signs say ‘When trucks stop, Australia stops’. Well, when the ports stop, the trucks stop.

Likewise, rail is the best long distance bulk transport.

Agreed.

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

What we need is a safe and reliable anaesthetic that can be mass-administered.

Then, we could stack passengers into aircraft like logs, and unload them at the other end before they wake up.

Lunch will be sliced ham off the bone, pickled onions, cheddar cheese, boiled egg and salad.
Washed down with a mug of black tea.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

What we need is a safe and reliable anaesthetic that can be mass-administered.

Then, we could stack passengers into aircraft like logs, and unload them at the other end before they wake up.

It was tried some time ago

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

What we need is a safe and reliable anaesthetic that can be mass-administered.

Then, we could stack passengers into aircraft like logs, and unload them at the other end before they wake up.

It was tried some time ago

And, it was jolly profitable, too, by all accounts.

Of course, we’re talking like 24 hours or so, rather than three months. A lot less collateral damage.

Get Alan Joyce on to it.

Woodie said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

As soon as they’ve completed the Sydney-Melbourne VFT, I presume.

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

….. and they still haven’t turned the first sod on that yet. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/projectsydney/construction-at-badgerys-to-begin-in-february/news-story/609046abe968c4909e4b48c92dae0006

Maybe after the blow a few more billion on tearing down and rebuilding football stadiums for no reason.

dv said:

Woodie said:

roughbarked said:

Probably talk about for as long as they did Badgery’s Creek.

….. and they still haven’t turned the first sod on that yet. https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/projectsydney/construction-at-badgerys-to-begin-in-february/news-story/609046abe968c4909e4b48c92dae0006

Maybe after the blow a few more billion on tearing down and rebuilding football stadiums for no reason.

Whaddya mean, ‘no reason’?

FFA, ARL, ARU are all good for returning a big favour when your political career is over.

And, you never know: they just might name the stadium after you.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

Bill used to call passengers “self-loading cargo”.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Airports are really only good for shifting people around. They’re incapable of shifting any more than a fraction of what one good port can handle.

Passengers are a very particular form of cargo, the more time the journey takes the more cargo space they need.

Bill used to call passengers “self-loading cargo”.

QR calls them customers. I don’t like that.

captain_spalding said:

Yes, well, we can’t upset the road-transprt interests too much, you know.

Qld has a long history of appeasing the road-transport industry.

A modern dieso-electric freight train can move 1,000kg a distance of 200km for each litre of fuel burnt.

I don’t think we’ll need to worry about the road transport ‘interests’ too much longer, based on those figures.

In the late 1980s at my CSIRO Division, I was working alongside the person who was using simulated annealing to optimise the route of the VFT. That was 30 years ago.

> Maglev?

No, conventional, and not very fast conventional either. Something way down the speed scale by VFT standards back in the 1980s.

I haven’t yet looked at the latest plans.

When is the farnarkling govt going to complete the train line from Syd to Melb via the coast? ie via Nowra, Eden, Bairnsdale. That train line is, like, a hundred years overdue.

PS, the Sydney to Melbourne train still has a 50% chance of arriving an hour late, and rattles like mad, which makes it just about the worst railway in the Western World. There were already much better railways than that criscrossing Europe 37 years ago.

mollwollfumble said:

When is the farnarkling govt going to complete the train line from Syd to Melb via the coast? ie via Nowra, Eden, Bairnsdale. That train line is, like, a hundred years overdue.

PS, the Sydney to Melbourne train still has a 50% chance of arriving an hour late, and rattles like mad, which makes it just about the worst railway in the Western World. There were already much better railways than that criscrossing Europe 37 years ago.

Too hard to get NSW and VIC to agree. In the vague recesses of my brain their is some Federal power for the standardisation of railways, but to exercise that would just put both of them off and turn them against the Feds.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

When is the farnarkling govt going to complete the train line from Syd to Melb via the coast? ie via Nowra, Eden, Bairnsdale. That train line is, like, a hundred years overdue.

PS, the Sydney to Melbourne train still has a 50% chance of arriving an hour late, and rattles like mad, which makes it just about the worst railway in the Western World. There were already much better railways than that criscrossing Europe 37 years ago.

Too hard to get NSW and VIC to agree. In the vague recesses of my brain their is some Federal power for the standardisation of railways, but to exercise that would just put both of them off and turn them against the Feds.

buck and fugger… there