Date: 16/12/2017 10:25:38
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1162035
Subject: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Hi. Had severe back pain that couldn’t even be touched by aspirin, paracetamol, ibuprofen or diclofenac.
Immediately (two minutes max) after taking the steroid prednisolone the pain was gone, and stayed gone for 6 hours.
Which tells me that I know a heck of a lot less about inflammation than I thought!

Prednisolone is a steroidal antiinflammatory.
Aspirin, ibuprofen and diclofenac are non-steroidal antiinflammatories.
Both steroidal and non-steroidal antiinflammatories block prostaglandin production.
So why does a steroidal antiinflammatory work when a non-steroidal antiinflammatory fails? That’s the first question.

Miss m says “different ways of blocking”.

Could there be a factor from prostaglandins affecting blood clotting which affects pressure on the nerves? Muscle movement against the nerve?

Histamine causes inflammation, the production of histamine also induces some cells to produce more histamines. Which snowballs. So is there a difference between inflammation caused by histamine and that caused by prostaglandins?

And is it specifically prostagandin-E2 or are other prostaglandins involved?

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Date: 16/12/2017 10:58:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1162042
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

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Date: 16/12/2017 10:59:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1162045
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Tau.Neutrino said:


Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

Or a chiropractor.

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Date: 16/12/2017 11:03:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1162046
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Peak Warming Man said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

Or a chiropractor.

Or a Spin Doctor?

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Date: 16/12/2017 11:05:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1162047
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

Or a chiropractor.

Or a Spin Doctor?

What it needs is more eye of newt.

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Date: 16/12/2017 14:11:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 1162117
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

mollwollfumble said:


Hi. Had severe back pain that couldn’t even be touched by aspirin, paracetamol, ibuprofen or diclofenac.
Immediately (two minutes max) after taking the steroid prednisolone the pain was gone, and stayed gone for 6 hours.
Which tells me that I know a heck of a lot less about inflammation than I thought!

Prednisolone is a steroidal antiinflammatory.
Aspirin, ibuprofen and diclofenac are non-steroidal antiinflammatories.
Both steroidal and non-steroidal antiinflammatories block prostaglandin production.
So why does a steroidal antiinflammatory work when a non-steroidal antiinflammatory fails? That’s the first question.

Miss m says “different ways of blocking”.

Could there be a factor from prostaglandins affecting blood clotting which affects pressure on the nerves? Muscle movement against the nerve?

Histamine causes inflammation, the production of histamine also induces some cells to produce more histamines. Which snowballs. So is there a difference between inflammation caused by histamine and that caused by prostaglandins?

And is it specifically prostagandin-E2 or are other prostaglandins involved?

Prednisolone worked for all my pain that nothing else would fix. I’ve only ever taken one bottle of the stuff but I was astounded at the vast improvement in pain relief. Screwed my head up somewhat, I’d fall asleep anywhere and wake up in someones disused car wash on the side of the road.

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Date: 16/12/2017 17:33:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1162179
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Peak Warming Man said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

Or a chiropractor.

Yes, pinched nerve at L5.
What sort, a rack?
No.
Yes. After first chiro visit no different. After second much worse. No third.

> Prednisolone worked for all my pain that nothing else would fix.

Why?

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Date: 16/12/2017 17:48:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1162188
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

mollwollfumble said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Is the pain cased by a pinched nerve at L5?

Stretching helped my pain.

Have you seen a physio therapist?

Or a chiropractor.

Yes, pinched nerve at L5.
What sort, a rack?
No.
Yes. After first chiro visit no different. After second much worse. No third.

> Prednisolone worked for all my pain that nothing else would fix.

Why?

Who knows? One doctor prescribed a course of 30 25mg tablets for the arthritic type pain that comes with Ross River Virus.
While taking them not only the pain disappeared but also the rash.

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Date: 16/12/2017 18:05:54
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1162195
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

Prednisolone is a bit of a wonder drug, also fixes up the pain from inflamed lungs and gives very quick relief for gout. Gotta keep the doses small and for short periods of time though, otherwise can be problematic in that the body gives up on making its own steroids.

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Date: 17/12/2017 12:23:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1162530
Subject: re: Inflammation, pain, prednisolone, prostaglandins & histamine?

I’m finding that prednisolone is already starting to lose its effectiveness after 3 days. Damn homeostasis.

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