Tau.Neutrino said:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171218154935.htmWhen brain lesions occur within the brain network responsible for morality and value-based decision-making, they can predispose a person toward criminal behavior, according to new research.
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It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
Tau.Neutrino said:
When brain lesions occur within the brain network responsible for morality and value-based decision-making, they can predispose a person toward criminal behavior, according to new research.
more…
It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
There’s a brain network responsible for morality?
>There’s a brain network responsible for morality?
Mind tools evolved for such things, avoiding adverse attention/hostility that might result in injury and death. Territorial in its own ways. It’s not terribly impressive seen this way, quite mundane even.
No mystery really in how such a thing might result in (what might be called) moral faculties, and morality.
Far as accidents go, that it evolved, well, things could have been worse, and for some it was, they didn’t get to breed, or did less. Of course that means it wasn’t all complete accident.
And here we are, creatures that like to rest and sleep.
I hope I haven’t disconcerted you, upset your internal equilibrium.
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:When brain lesions occur within the brain network responsible for morality and value-based decision-making, they can predispose a person toward criminal behavior, according to new research.
more…
It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
There’s a brain network responsible for morality?
How does morality work in the brain? A functional and structural perspective of moral behavior
Abstract
Neural underpinnings of morality are not yet well understood. Researchers in moral neuroscience have tried to find specific structures and processes that shed light on how morality works. Here, we review the main brain areas that have been associated with morality at both structural and functional levels and speculate about how it can be studied. Orbital and ventromedial prefrontal cortices are implicated in emotionally-driven moral decisions, while dorsolateral prefrontal cortex appears to moderate its response. These competing processes may be mediated by the anterior cingulate cortex. Parietal and temporal structures play important roles in the attribution of others’ beliefs and intentions. The insular cortex is engaged during empathic processes. Other regions seem to play a more complementary role in morality. Morality is supported not by a single brain circuitry or structure, but by several circuits overlapping with other complex processes. The identification of the core features of morality and moral-related processes is needed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770908/
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:When brain lesions occur within the brain network responsible for morality and value-based decision-making, they can predispose a person toward criminal behavior, according to new research.
more…
It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
There’s a brain network responsible for morality?
Is that surprising?
There has to be a mechanism of some sort.
transition said:
>There’s a brain network responsible for morality?Mind tools evolved for such things, avoiding adverse attention/hostility that might result in injury and death. Territorial in its own ways. It’s not terribly impressive seen this way, quite mundane even.
No mystery really in how such a thing might result in (what might be called) moral faculties, and morality.
Far as accidents go, that it evolved, well, things could have been worse, and for some it was, they didn’t get to breed, or did less. Of course that means it wasn’t all complete accident.
And here we are, creatures that like to rest and sleep.
I hope I haven’t disconcerted you, upset your internal equilibrium.
That’s how I see it.
Apart from the bit about it being mundane.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
no, it wouldn’t… any sort of behaviour can not be explained away by one aspect.
I’ve noticed that mental illness, poor education, unemployment, nurture (or lack of) drug/alcohol abuse (combinations of them), PTSD (from people coming from violent nations) seem to be the main reasons for criminal behaviour. The same people are still in the system from when I started with Corrective Services 17 year ago.
well, the difficult part is that there are also people around that have those thing (in any combination) that never enter the CJS. So while there are factors of similarities, there are also many other variables that may or may not contribute to criminal behaviour.
And at what point do we say this is a compounding factor? With juveniles we have a list of attributes that are likely to lead to future criminal behaviours, but, there is no certainty that if a child is shunned by peers (for example) they will become a criminal. There is no certainty that if a child has over or under parenting they will become a criminal, same with treatment of animals, violent outbursts, impulsivity, labeling, strain, mental illness etc etc..
all we can say is that it ‘could lead to..’ or ‘has links with’
I, for one, am glad there is no hard and fast rules – firstly because I pity the poor kid/person who may display all or any of these ‘rules’ before actually engaging in any criminal behaviour.. and secondly, because if there were, it would put many of us out of a job…
Arts said:
well, the difficult part is that there are also people around that have those thing (in any combination) that never enter the CJS. So while there are factors of similarities, there are also many other variables that may or may not contribute to criminal behaviour.And at what point do we say this is a compounding factor? With juveniles we have a list of attributes that are likely to lead to future criminal behaviours, but, there is no certainty that if a child is shunned by peers (for example) they will become a criminal. There is no certainty that if a child has over or under parenting they will become a criminal, same with treatment of animals, violent outbursts, impulsivity, labeling, strain, mental illness etc etc..
all we can say is that it ‘could lead to..’ or ‘has links with’
I, for one, am glad there is no hard and fast rules – firstly because I pity the poor kid/person who may display all or any of these ‘rules’ before actually engaging in any criminal behaviour.. and secondly, because if there were, it would put many of us out of a job…
True I was mentioning those factors and many of them are things that can be changed, if your brain is abnormal their is probably not much that can be done.
It’s also interesting to note that crime trends and types differ from one nation to another. A number of factors that often stem from ‘local’ laws to reporting and recording style.
A crime is a crime because the law says so… therefore, what leads to ‘criminal behaviour’ is fraught with so many variables on so many levels.. it’s fascinating.
Arts said:
It’s also interesting to note that crime trends and types differ from one nation to another. A number of factors that often stem from ‘local’ laws to reporting and recording style.A crime is a crime because the law says so… therefore, what leads to ‘criminal behaviour’ is fraught with so many variables on so many levels.. it’s fascinating.
Some groups of people are trapped in a lifestyle that gives them very little option to better themselves.
I was thinking Aboriginal people in particular as I wonder how much life has become better for them over the years, not much I don’t think
Cymek said:
Arts said:
It’s also interesting to note that crime trends and types differ from one nation to another. A number of factors that often stem from ‘local’ laws to reporting and recording style.A crime is a crime because the law says so… therefore, what leads to ‘criminal behaviour’ is fraught with so many variables on so many levels.. it’s fascinating.
Some groups of people are trapped in a lifestyle that gives them very little option to better themselves.
I don’t think this is entirely true from a personal stand point… however there is ‘strain theory’ and the Chicago School of thought on criminology looks heavily into environmental factors.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:
It’s also interesting to note that crime trends and types differ from one nation to another. A number of factors that often stem from ‘local’ laws to reporting and recording style.A crime is a crime because the law says so… therefore, what leads to ‘criminal behaviour’ is fraught with so many variables on so many levels.. it’s fascinating.
Some groups of people are trapped in a lifestyle that gives them very little option to better themselves.
I don’t think this is entirely true from a personal stand point… however there is ‘strain theory’ and the Chicago School of thought on criminology looks heavily into environmental factors.
It is true that I only see the people who have failed so to speak and not the successes from a detrimental type lifestyle.
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:Some groups of people are trapped in a lifestyle that gives them very little option to better themselves.
I don’t think this is entirely true from a personal stand point… however there is ‘strain theory’ and the Chicago School of thought on criminology looks heavily into environmental factors.
It is true that I only see the people who have failed so to speak and not the successes from a detrimental type lifestyle.
that is the nature of the job you are in.
SBS had a documentary on last night called “What Makes A Psychopath” I haven’t watched it yet but it looks interesting
Cymek said:
SBS had a documentary on last night called “What Makes A Psychopath” I haven’t watched it yet but it looks interesting
I found it unimpressive.. in quality
esselte said:
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:When brain lesions occur within the brain network responsible for morality and value-based decision-making, they can predispose a person toward criminal behavior, according to new research.
more…
It wouldn’t be just brain lesions causing criminal behavior.
There’s a brain network responsible for morality?
How does morality work in the brain? A functional and structural perspective of moral behavior
Abstract
Neural underpinnings of morality are not yet well understood. Researchers in moral neuroscience have tried to find specific structures and processes that shed light on how morality works. Here, we review the main brain areas that have been associated with morality at both structural and functional levels and speculate about how it can be studied. Orbital and ventromedial prefrontal cortices are implicated in emotionally-driven moral decisions, while dorsolateral prefrontal cortex appears to moderate its response. These competing processes may be mediated by the anterior cingulate cortex. Parietal and temporal structures play important roles in the attribution of others’ beliefs and intentions. The insular cortex is engaged during empathic processes. Other regions seem to play a more complementary role in morality. Morality is supported not by a single brain circuitry or structure, but by several circuits overlapping with other complex processes. The identification of the core features of morality and moral-related processes is needed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770908/
Thanks, that article should be essential reading for everyone struggling with the moral question “what is good?”
I mean it.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
SBS had a documentary on last night called “What Makes A Psychopath” I haven’t watched it yet but it looks interesting
I found it unimpressive.. in quality
Oh OK, was it more pop woo science
Cymek said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:
SBS had a documentary on last night called “What Makes A Psychopath” I haven’t watched it yet but it looks interesting
I found it unimpressive.. in quality
Oh OK, was it more pop woo science
I thought so. I am stuck on definitions.
They had a documentary about What Does Facebook Now About Me on before, on the other SBS channel, interesting as the various spokespeople reassured us that Facebook cares but it came across as insincere to say the least
criminal requires a concept of law, which involves constructions related.
wrongdoers though that cause trouble or grief have been known by feelings alone since long before elevated bipedals had an alphabet.
what did just occur to me, well, no, it isn’t recent, but was just thinking of the hostility and aggression that might accompany the concept of criminal, that motivates it, the drive. Seems to be quite some scope in that, for what, deconstructed, could look like something not so good intentioned. Related the desire to pathologize, which itself could be/come a pathology.
so there looks to be mechanisms that moderate such enthusiasms, and contagion.
one of the reasons laws are more imposed retrospectively in our culture, where education etc fails.
but there are always pathologizing tendencies looking for something to focus on, I guess.