A bush type plant that grows from about 0 to 2 metres.

It has no thorns or spikes.

a tea tree of some descript?.

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

Umm….dunno.
I’ve never seen any flowers on the vermints.

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

Ditto. Tea tree often has a tendency for the main stem to tip over rather than grow upright. Any sign of flowers or buds?

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

mollwollfumble said:

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

Ditto. Tea tree often has a tendency for the main stem to tip over rather than grow upright. Any sign of flowers or buds?

Tea tree is only called that because some species of Myrtaceae were used as a substitute for tea.
They can be either from Leptospermum or Melaleuca snd the bark may vary from loose paperbark to tight dark bark.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

My first thought was tea tree too.
Bark looks tea tree-ish as well as leaves, as does growth habit. Any smell when you crush the leaves?

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

Anyway, you are still stretching our imaginationsas to what plant it is without going in for some closeups.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

Yes, I noticed that. So I don’t think I’ve got any other suggestions. Acacia don’t hold seed pods. And some of them have pretty insignificant flowers.

Leptospermum polygalifolium is one of the tea trees being looked at for medicinal honey production, similar to Manuka. I suggest you go up to the plant and threaten to cut it down if it doesn’t get itself together and flower. Now. Show it an axe if needs be.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

Tthat is correct, I cannot see them in your photo but this means little because I cannot get close enough to discern any detail from your photos. You could try uploading the original to Dropbox for us all to peruse at our liesure or mail them directly to me.

ruby said:

Leptospermum polygalifolium is one of the tea trees being looked at for medicinal honey production, similar to Manuka. I suggest you go up to the plant and threaten to cut it down if it doesn’t get itself together and flower. Now. Show it an axe if needs be.

If it is a tea tree, from the photos shown and the locale the plant is found in, Leptospermum polygalifolium is a very likely candidate.

Tea Tree usually require no stimulus to flower. Axe or no axe.

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

Leptospermum polygalifolium is one of the tea trees being looked at for medicinal honey production, similar to Manuka. I suggest you go up to the plant and threaten to cut it down if it doesn’t get itself together and flower. Now. Show it an axe if needs be.

If it is a tea tree, from the photos shown and the locale the plant is found in, Leptospermum polygalifolium is a very likely candidate.

Tea Tree usually require no stimulus to flower. Axe or no axe.

The flowers of L. polygalifolium

Third picture, about a third of the way up on the very left, in between the two blurry close up stems, I see what may be a roundish brown seed capsule.

ruby said:

Third picture, about a third of the way up on the very left, in between the two blurry close up stems, I see what may be a roundish brown seed capsule.

Oops I better go back and look. I only looked at one picture..

Leptospermum polygalifolium is a shrub, often 0.5 to 3 metres in height , or a slender to stout trunked tree to 7 metres or more, the bark usually being close and firm but soft, thick and flaky in some forms. The young stems, at first, have a close pubescence but usually become glabrous, with a conspicuous flange near the node and spreading and tending to curve around the stem. Leaves are sometimes aromatic, but not strongly, and are usually from 5 mm to 20 mm long, oblanceolate-elliptical to narrowly linear-elliptical, flat or with the margins recurved, the tip often recurved with a soft or sharp point or, occasionally, a short pungent point. Flowers are usually white but may be greenish, off-white to pale pink and are usually 10 to 15 mm in diameter, occurring singly on modified shoots on the ends of very short or long branches, often in adjacent axils and on adjacent branches with new growth extending, mostly from branch ends, during or after flowering.

ruby said:

Third picture, about a third of the way up on the very left, in between the two blurry close up stems, I see what may be a roundish brown seed capsule.

No. There are no flower buds or fruits present in any of the images.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

If it is a tea tree, it should be covered with fruit capsules. Leptospermum squarrosum

Probably something like this; Leptospermum polygalifolium

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

There are many Leptospermum that drop their seed capsules within 12 months, so should not be discarded due to that.

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

My field guides are Victorian. I still think Acacia should not be ruled out.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

Leptospermum hold and carry all the old seed capsules from all previous flowerings.

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

There are many Leptospermum that drop their seed capsules within 12 months, so should not be discarded due to that.

This can be true of some Leptospermum. L. polygalifolium: Seed is periodically released from fruits over time.

The easiest way to get clear close up photos of plants is to hold the flowers, fruits or foliage on your hand, which used as a backdrop.

buffy said:

My field guides are Victorian. I still think Acacia should not be ruled out.

Nothing can be ruled out until he gets some closer photos and maybe until he finds one in flower.

Isn’t there a bush that has olive like leaves? I can’t remember the name. The leaves have that sort of shape, but it’s difficult to see them well.

buffy said:

Isn’t there a bush that has olive like leaves? I can’t remember the name. The leaves have that sort of shape, but it’s difficult to see them well.

There are a lot of similar bushes.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well as you can see from the photos there are no flowers or capsules in the photos I took yesterday.

There are many Leptospermum that drop their seed capsules within 12 months, so should not be discarded due to that.

This can be true of some Leptospermum. L. polygalifolium: Seed is periodically released from fruits over time.

If you consult the Plantnet Leptospermum key number 1, you will see the time factor of the dropping of seed capsules is in part a diagnostic feature.

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Leptospermum

If you have the time you could check each species with this feature and see if they occur near the Qld border.

buffy said:

My field guides are Victorian. I still think Acacia should not be ruled out.

I would be most surprised if it were not a Myrtaceae species.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

There are many Leptospermum that drop their seed capsules within 12 months, so should not be discarded due to that.

This can be true of some Leptospermum. L. polygalifolium: Seed is periodically released from fruits over time.

If you consult the Plantnet Leptospermum key number 1, you will see the time factor of the dropping of seed capsules is in part a diagnostic feature.

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Leptospermum

If you have the time you could check each species with this feature and see if they occur near the Qld border.

Yes. That’s a good suggestion. The plants may also not be flowering due to stress or maturity. I haven’t found at what age L. polygalifolium starts flowering yet.

PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

My field guides are Victorian. I still think Acacia should not be ruled out.

I would be most surprised if it were not a Myrtaceae species.

Well, most of us are with you on that so far.

roughbarked said:

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

Description

Usually seen as a shrub, one to seven metres tall. Though at Mount Hyland Nature Reserve it grows to 25 metres tall and a stem diameter of 56 cm. The trunk is not regular, with vertical flutings, particularly near the base. Bark is papery on older trees, greyish or pale brown. New branchlets are thin with soft silky hairs. Leaves are alternate on the stem, 10 to 15 mm long, 3 to 5 mm wide, usually with a blunt point. Leaf margins curl over, dark green above, paler below the leaf. Silky hairs appear on the young leaves. Leaves are reverse lanceolate to elliptic in shape. Leaf stems short or indistinct. Oil dots easily noticed under a lens. Only the midrib is visible on the bottom surface of the leaf.

Single white flowers form from October to January, 12 mm in diameter. The hypanthium is around 3.5 mm long, the sepals around 2 mm long. The fruit is a grey hemispherical capsule with a flat base, 6 to 9 mm in diameter. The capsule stalk is 2 to 3 mm long. When opening, the capsule reveals five widely spreading valves. Fruit matures from October to April.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptospermum_polygalifolium_subsp._montanum

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

I’ll be up there again on the long weekend and do better and have a better look.
I’ve sprayed a small cluster of them with Grazeon Extra, if it’s a woody weed I should see signs of that working in a few weeks time. If that doesn’t happen then it’s not a woody weed and I’ll hit it with Glyphosate.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

http://www.florabank.org.au/lucid/key/species%20navigator/media/html/Leptospermum_polygalifolium.htm

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

It could be too young to flower….when I was a kid I picked some seeds from a pretty shrub (and now that I think of it, it was a Leptospermum!), and grew a plant from them. It didn’t flower for about 5 years.

And I agree that wattle should not be ruled out. But that bark looks Leptospermumy.

Peak Warming Man said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

I’ll be up there again on the long weekend and do better and have a better look.
I’ve sprayed a small cluster of them with Grazeon Extra, if it’s a woody weed I should see signs of that working in a few weeks time. If that doesn’t happen then it’s not a woody weed and I’ll hit it with Glyphosate.

You actually need the woody weeds. The thing is, they are all woody, they may all be weeds if there is too many of them, they will all die if you hit them with Grazeon and you will have none left. You may actually be the only landowner with any left and they may be a rare subspecies worth conserving.

Peak Warming Man said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

I’ll be up there again on the long weekend and do better and have a better look.
I’ve sprayed a small cluster of them with Grazeon Extra, if it’s a woody weed I should see signs of that working in a few weeks time. If that doesn’t happen then it’s not a woody weed and I’ll hit it with Glyphosate.

Not sure what you mean by woody weed, it is a shrub which means it is a woody plant and not herbaceous.

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

It could be too young to flower….when I was a kid I picked some seeds from a pretty shrub (and now that I think of it, it was a Leptospermum!), and grew a plant from them. It didn’t flower for about 5 years.

And I agree that wattle should not be ruled out. But that bark looks Leptospermumy.

Young black wattles here have a similar bark to that. I don’t think we have enough detail. A nice close up of the leaves, and how they attach to the stems please PWM.

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

It could be too young to flower….when I was a kid I picked some seeds from a pretty shrub (and now that I think of it, it was a Leptospermum!), and grew a plant from them. It didn’t flower for about 5 years.

And I agree that wattle should not be ruled out. But that bark looks Leptospermumy.

Nothing can be ruled out without better ID features. Though indeed Leptospermum is more in the ballpark than Acacia thus far. Yes, Being a shrub that sometimes becomes up to 7m tall, then it is likely that it doesn’t mature to flowering until it is old enough and there are other factors like fire or previous attempts to wipe them out which may have put flowering back years.

buffy said:

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

It could be too young to flower….when I was a kid I picked some seeds from a pretty shrub (and now that I think of it, it was a Leptospermum!), and grew a plant from them. It didn’t flower for about 5 years.

And I agree that wattle should not be ruled out. But that bark looks Leptospermumy.

Young black wattles here have a similar bark to that. I don’t think we have enough detail. A nice close up of the leaves, and how they attach to the stems please PWM.

We have been asking for close-ups and he hasn’t delivered them.

ruby said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Subsp. montanum:
Climate parameters
Mean annual rainfall: 800-2250 mm
Rainfall distribution pattern: summer
Mean annual temperature: 7-18 °C
Mean max. temperature of the hottest month: 20-29 °C
Mean min. temperature of the coldest month: -2-7 °C
Frosts (approx. no. per year): greater than 20
Frost intensity: light to moderate (0 to -5°C)
Altitude: 300-1550 metres

That pretty much matches the areas of the Redoubt where the varmints are growing.
But the flowers, I’ve never noticed any flowers in the last 3 years or so.
I always notice when the purple top, applebox, Alpine bluebells and lantana etc are flowering but never seen the varmints in flower.

If that is the plant then there should be some seed capsules.

It could be too young to flower….when I was a kid I picked some seeds from a pretty shrub (and now that I think of it, it was a Leptospermum!), and grew a plant from them. It didn’t flower for about 5 years.

And I agree that wattle should not be ruled out. But that bark looks Leptospermumy.

Well that could well explain the no flowering piece of the puzzle.

A little bit of direction won’t hurt. It’s possible he doesn’t know what is required.

Anyway, it seems that PWM needs some farming advice. He’s goiing gung ho at bashing the bush without realising much about it at all.

buffy said:

A little bit of direction won’t hurt. It’s possible he doesn’t know what is required.

Well, he could look for a plant that is flowering or has flowered. Take photos of the flowers and buds. In such shots there are usually leaves in better detail. If he finds flowers or fruit capsules he should take his verniers and a notepad along with him.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

A little bit of direction won’t hurt. It’s possible he doesn’t know what is required.

Well, he could look for a plant that is flowering or has flowered. Take photos of the flowers and buds. In such shots there are usually leaves in better detail. If he finds flowers or fruit capsules he should take his verniers and a notepad along with him.

Most importantly, collect a sample, which can be examined in detail at your leisure, plus used as a reference. Press between newspaper if you want to preserve it for more than a couple days.

Leptosperms can be astonishing plants. I recall transplanting a thousand into tubes and two of them were totally fifferent from the rest. There may have proven to be other differences but these two were so interesting I only looked at them. One grew into a low spreadiing shrub that could be classed as a low groundcover under 40cm. The other was as flat as a dinner plate and never grew more than 5 cm tall.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

A little bit of direction won’t hurt. It’s possible he doesn’t know what is required.

Well, he could look for a plant that is flowering or has flowered. Take photos of the flowers and buds. In such shots there are usually leaves in better detail. If he finds flowers or fruit capsules he should take his verniers and a notepad along with him.

Most importantly, collect a sample, which can be examined in detail at your leisure, plus used as a reference. Press between newspaper if you want to preserve it for more than a couple days.

Yep. Collect samples of branchlet with flowers and fruit and leaves. Collect samples of older bark.

roughbarked said:

Leptosperms can be astonishing plants. I recall transplanting a thousand into tubes and two of them were totally fifferent from the rest. There may have proven to be other differences but these two were so interesting I only looked at them. One grew into a low spreadiing shrub that could be classed as a low groundcover under 40cm. The other was as flat as a dinner plate and never grew more than 5 cm tall.

By this I mean a thousand from all the seedlings that came up from a handful of seed cases from one plant. I didn’t transplant all of them because I had no sales for any. However I sold quite a few f plants made from cuttings from the two mentioned above.

I reckon we should have this thing sorted within a season or two, or you could talk to an agronomist at the Rural Lands Protection Board or Qld equivalent.

Where’s Beadle when you want him?

Michael V said:

Where’s Beadle when you want him?

Nobody can help unless they have the sample of the plant.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Where’s Beadle when you want him?

Nobody can help unless they have the sample of the plant.

I do believe we got pretty close to the plant he wants in our discussions last eve. We are still unsure until he provides better and more descriptive samples.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Where’s Beadle when you want him?

Nobody can help unless they have the sample of the plant.

I do believe we got pretty close to the plant he wants in our discussions last eve. We are still unsure until he provides better and more descriptive samples.

Here’s another possible except that it is a more compact plant. http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Leptospermum~novae-angliae

I don’t think we have got very close. Except perhaps as far as Myrtaceae. Possibly.

You could cut it down, and wait for the Council to come along and fine you for chopping down a tree of (insert name here) species without authorisation.

buffy said:

I don’t think we have got very close. Except perhaps as far as Myrtaceae. Possibly.

The region should help.

captain_spalding said:

You could cut it down, and wait for the Council to come along and fine you for chopping down a tree of (insert name here) species without authorisation.

Better to cut a sample and take to Aus Botanic Gardens.

buffy said:

I don’t think we have got very close. Except perhaps as far as Myrtaceae. Possibly.

We can’t tell without a closer photograph… but it’s definitely one of those…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

buffy said:

I don’t think we have got very close. Except perhaps as far as Myrtaceae. Possibly.

We can’t tell without a closer photograph… but it’s definitely one of those…

As has been pointed out, Leptospermum polygalifolium has a number of subspecies.

I reckon this is him and as Ruby says it’s too young to have flowered.

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2909190

Peak Warming Man said:

I reckon this is him and as Ruby says it’s too young to have flowered.

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2909190

Could easily be.

This is interesting. The self checkouts at our local supermarkets are used, but not a lot. It’s not unusual for me to talk to the staff on the self serve checkout while waiting in line for the express checkout. Recently C was so bored on the self serve he grabbed me and put my stuff through on the self serve so he had something to do.

Whoops, the link should have gone in there to a piece about Amazon shop.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-23/amazon-opens-supermarkets-with-no-checkouts/9351504

Sorry, altogether in the wrong place….

Are the leaves sticky?

Michael V said:

Are the leaves sticky?

Wrong way around, the sticks are leafy.

Michael V said:

Are the leaves sticky?

no, but the sticks are…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_leaf_morphology

This might help you understand the leaf-shape nomenclature use by botanists, and help you name the leaf shape.

Peak Warming Man said:

Hmmm. I look at the leaf and stem closeup and I think Callistemon or Melaleuca. But it looked more Leptospermum with those smaller leaves in the other pictures.
I think without flowers or seed pods then Myrtaceae is the closest ID. Lots of Myrtaceae to look at.

Any chance you squished leaves to see if they smell?

ruby said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hmmm. I look at the leaf and stem closeup and I think Callistemon or Melaleuca. But it looked more Leptospermum with those smaller leaves in the other pictures.
I think without flowers or seed pods then Myrtaceae is the closest ID. Lots of Myrtaceae to look at.

Any chance you squished leaves to see if they smell?

Yes, this latest picture looks very bottlebrush.

buffy said:

ruby said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hmmm. I look at the leaf and stem closeup and I think Callistemon or Melaleuca. But it looked more Leptospermum with those smaller leaves in the other pictures.
I think without flowers or seed pods then Myrtaceae is the closest ID. Lots of Myrtaceae to look at.

Any chance you squished leaves to see if they smell?

Yes, this latest picture looks very bottlebrush.

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

ruby said:

Hmmm. I look at the leaf and stem closeup and I think Callistemon or Melaleuca. But it looked more Leptospermum with those smaller leaves in the other pictures.
I think without flowers or seed pods then Myrtaceae is the closest ID. Lots of Myrtaceae to look at.

Any chance you squished leaves to see if they smell?

Yes, this latest picture looks very bottlebrush.

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Yes, this latest picture looks very bottlebrush.

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

May help you. Here Bendigo as some sort of government thing to encourage local flora has a booklet about plants of the region, broken down as a gardening book would be. Might be your local government area has something similar.

https://www.bendigo.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2016-08/City-of-Greater-Bendigo-Indigenous-Plant-Book-3rd-Edition.pdf

I’m going through the Melaleucas. No luck yet.

I reckon it’s a rare and endangered plant, as yet undescribed. It could have been named Melaleuca Peakwarmingii, but the last herbiciding has put that dream to rest.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

So, we are still in Myrtaceae.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

How long and wide are the leaves?

Are they arranged spirally or just alternate?

Are they sticky? Hairy? smelly?

ruby said:

I’m going through the Melaleucas. No luck yet.

I reckon it’s a rare and endangered plant, as yet undescribed. It could have been named Melaleuca Peakwarmingii, but the last herbiciding has put that dream to rest.

snigger

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

How long and wide are the leaves?

Are they arranged spirally or just alternate?

Are they sticky? Hairy? smelly?

All good questions. The man needs to offer up more evidence.

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Good thinking. There are quite a few bottlebrushes in that area, some with similar growth habits. I’ll go see whether I can find Beadle.

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Michael V said:

ruby said:

I’m going through the Melaleucas. No luck yet.

I reckon it’s a rare and endangered plant, as yet undescribed. It could have been named Melaleuca Peakwarmingii, but the last herbiciding has put that dream to rest.

snigger

a sigh.

I mean, do such people still keep existing on this blue orb?

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

We are talking to the deaf.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

I’m going through the Melaleucas. No luck yet.

I reckon it’s a rare and endangered plant, as yet undescribed. It could have been named Melaleuca Peakwarmingii, but the last herbiciding has put that dream to rest.

snigger

a sigh.

I mean, do such people still keep existing on this blue orb?

bouganville used to be so far away.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

So, we are still in Myrtaceae.

Only because that’s where we started. We don’t have a flower or a fruit, so it’s difficult to tell.

Beadle is around 2000 pages and is fully keyed. OK, I have eliminated Vol 1 (the smallest volume) as it’s clearly not a pteridophyte.

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

snigger

a sigh.

I mean, do such people still keep existing on this blue orb?

bouganville used to be so far away.

First step is, why would you who has probably way more scientific credibility than myself put such faith in the chemicals you use to flatten the bush?

WtF is the shit still there?

You think you are the first who has tried?

PermeateFree said:

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

It isn’t far away from any of the evidence thus provided.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Ta.

So, we are still in Myrtaceae.

Only because that’s where we started. We don’t have a flower or a fruit, so it’s difficult to tell.

Beadle is around 2000 pages and is fully keyed. OK, I have eliminated Vol 1 (the smallest volume) as it’s clearly not a pteridophyte.

If you are really this keen to tell the genera, PWM could simply check under the shrubs, where I would be surprised if Leptospermum seed capsules would not be found in the leaf litter.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

So, we are still in Myrtaceae.

Only because that’s where we started. We don’t have a flower or a fruit, so it’s difficult to tell.

Beadle is around 2000 pages and is fully keyed. OK, I have eliminated Vol 1 (the smallest volume) as it’s clearly not a pteridophyte.

If you are really this keen to tell the genera, PWM could simply check under the shrubs, where I would be surprised if Leptospermum seed capsules would not be found in the leaf litter.

Deaf ears.
No eyes.

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

Found Beadle. Vol III has Myrtaceae. Been through Leptospermum, Kunzea, Callistomon, Agonis. Nothing stands out so far. Mostly wrong habitat for similar leaf descriptions.

Ta.

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Ta.

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

FMD.. No need to get so far off track. I know you are more concerned with rocks but they probably differ far greatly by comparison.

Peak Warming Man said:

I reckon this is him and as Ruby says it’s too young to have flowered.

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2909190

Ooops, missed this post.
Yes, that looks most likely. Leptospermum brevipes

PermeateFree said:

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

Maybe the leaf illustration shown in PlantNet has confused people. However if you check the specifications you will see just how variable the foliage is with this species and the illustration shows only one form. Look at how variable the other parts are and this applies to most Leptospermum spp.

>>Leaves elliptic to narrow-oblanceolate or obovate, mostly 10–20 mm long, usually 2–5 mm wide, flat or recurved, silky or glabrous; apex obtuse or short-acuminate, usually recurved, point minute, pungent; base narrowing to a short petiole.<<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Leptospermum~brevipes

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

FMD.. No need to get so far off track. I know you are more concerned with rocks but they probably differ far greatly by comparison.

Those of us who are more equipped to help in this discussion have repeatedly asked for evidence of the sort you speak of and recently PF had to bring up, Have you looked at the litter the plant makes?

PWM is not forthcoming with any evidence than it is anything other than a plant, posibly something he would consider a woody weed and want to eradicate before he has actually found out what it is.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

a sigh.

I mean, do such people still keep existing on this blue orb?

bouganville used to be so far away.

First step is, why would you who has probably way more scientific credibility than myself put such faith in the chemicals you use to flatten the bush?

WtF is the shit still there?

You think you are the first who has tried?

I was laughing at ruby’s joke. Nothing more.

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

Not the first time ..

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Ta.

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

40 years botanising in the bush does help. Simple way to find out, get PMW to check under the shrubs for seed capsules.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

a sigh.

I mean, do such people still keep existing on this blue orb?

bouganville used to be so far away.

First step is, why would you who has probably way more scientific credibility than myself put such faith in the chemicals you use to flatten the bush?

WtF is the shit still there?

You think you are the first who has tried?

What? Are you partaking?

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

40 years botanising in the bush does help. Simple way to find out, get PMW to check under the shrubs for seed capsules.

It is a very simple exercise.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

bouganville used to be so far away.

First step is, why would you who has probably way more scientific credibility than myself put such faith in the chemicals you use to flatten the bush?

WtF is the shit still there?

You think you are the first who has tried?

What? Are you partaking?

as far as bogan thinking is concerned, consider me here to try and change things.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Only because that’s where we started. We don’t have a flower or a fruit, so it’s difficult to tell.

Beadle is around 2000 pages and is fully keyed. OK, I have eliminated Vol 1 (the smallest volume) as it’s clearly not a pteridophyte.

If you are really this keen to tell the genera, PWM could simply check under the shrubs, where I would be surprised if Leptospermum seed capsules would not be found in the leaf litter.

Deaf ears.
No eyes.

To be fair, PWM likely has ZERO background in any type of formal plant identification. We need to teach him. By asking appropriate questions.

PWN, could you put a scale in your next close-up photo, please? A coin would do.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

FMD.. No need to get so far off track. I know you are more concerned with rocks but they probably differ far greatly by comparison.

Those of us who are more equipped to help in this discussion have repeatedly asked for evidence of the sort you speak of and recently PF had to bring up, Have you looked at the litter the plant makes?

PWM is not forthcoming with any evidence than it is anything other than a plant, posibly something he would consider a woody weed and want to eradicate before he has actually found out what it is.

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

If you are really this keen to tell the genera, PWM could simply check under the shrubs, where I would be surprised if Leptospermum seed capsules would not be found in the leaf litter.

Deaf ears.
No eyes.

To be fair, PWM likely has ZERO background in any type of formal plant identification. We need to teach him. By asking appropriate questions.

PWN, could you put a scale in your next close-up photo, please? A coin would do.

Seriously. This is where I was leading him or so I probably thought I was.

I duuno that other people don’t know what I know. I actually have no idea of what they may know unless they tell me. It likely is way more than what I know of any given subject but that is usually why I ask.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

If you are really this keen to tell the genera, PWM could simply check under the shrubs, where I would be surprised if Leptospermum seed capsules would not be found in the leaf litter.

Deaf ears.
No eyes.

To be fair, PWM likely has ZERO background in any type of formal plant identification. We need to teach him. By asking appropriate questions.

PWN, could you put a scale in your next close-up photo, please? A coin would do.

Where the fun and challenge in too many details?

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

FMD.. No need to get so far off track. I know you are more concerned with rocks but they probably differ far greatly by comparison.

Those of us who are more equipped to help in this discussion have repeatedly asked for evidence of the sort you speak of and recently PF had to bring up, Have you looked at the litter the plant makes?

PWM is not forthcoming with any evidence than it is anything other than a plant, posibly something he would consider a woody weed and want to eradicate before he has actually found out what it is.

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Had no idea of that. I went on what else was growing with it.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

It is a Leptospermum for goodness sake. Bottlebrushes always retain their seed capsules. What makes you think it is something else?

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

40 years botanising in the bush does help. Simple way to find out, get PMW to check under the shrubs for seed capsules.

PWM, when you are up there next, could you please check under the shrubs for seed capsules?

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Without flowers or fruit it’s difficult to know even which family it is in. For example there is an Asteraceae (or is it back to Compositae these days?) in that region that has a similar habit, habitat and leaves (although the leaves are generally darker).

40 years botanising in the bush does help. Simple way to find out, get PMW to check under the shrubs for seed capsules.

PWM, when you are up there next, could you please check under the shrubs for seed capsules?

I mean to say. Any observer would look at all possibilities, surely?

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Those of us who are more equipped to help in this discussion have repeatedly asked for evidence of the sort you speak of and recently PF had to bring up, Have you looked at the litter the plant makes?

PWM is not forthcoming with any evidence than it is anything other than a plant, posibly something he would consider a woody weed and want to eradicate before he has actually found out what it is.

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Had no idea of that. I went on what else was growing with it.

Grass?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Those of us who are more equipped to help in this discussion have repeatedly asked for evidence of the sort you speak of and recently PF had to bring up, Have you looked at the litter the plant makes?

PWM is not forthcoming with any evidence than it is anything other than a plant, posibly something he would consider a woody weed and want to eradicate before he has actually found out what it is.

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Had no idea of that. I went on what else was growing with it.

People do need to keep me up to speed if they want my scientific opinion of the facts.

What we need right now is a stamp-collector.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Had no idea of that. I went on what else was growing with it.

Grass?

Didn’t know he was into that. Thought he wanted to kill everything in order to grow grass.

In the original photos, there are some trees in the background, even further away than the bush in question, and some grass. Not going to tell you much about the bush in question.

buffy said:

In the original photos, there are some trees in the background, even further away than the bush in question, and some grass. Not going to tell you much about the bush in question.

hmm. You underestimate me.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

What is the problem with Leptospermum brevipes? For the information provided it seemed to be quite a good match.

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

In the original photos, there are some trees in the background, even further away than the bush in question, and some grass. Not going to tell you much about the bush in question.

hmm. You underestimate me.

No, no, I don’t.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

You may not have remembered, but this plant is over three hours drive from where PWM lives.

Had no idea of that. I went on what else was growing with it.

Grass?

;)

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

How you got all this from the photos I’ve seen, I dunno.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

How you got all this from the photos I’ve seen, I dunno.

But anyway, I’ve already had my opine from the skeletal facts I was delivered. I’m happy to accept that it something else but even PWM thought I was very close.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

How you got all this from the photos I’ve seen, I dunno.

Leaf shape and probable dimensions gotten from photographs. Leaf descriptions, soil description and region found, from Beadle. I am familiar with PWM’s area, having worked there on and off for several years. I likely geologically mapped PWM’s place, but before he bought it.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

How you got all this from the photos I’ve seen, I dunno.

Leaf shape and probable dimensions gotten from photographs. Leaf descriptions, soil description and region found, from Beadle. I am familiar with PWM’s area, having worked there on and off for several years. I likely geologically mapped PWM’s place, but before he bought it.

OK but why isn’t it a Leptospermum?

On the subject of identifying plants, I found one growing under my bathroom window (outside, under a shrub) a few years ago. Each leaf and flower came up from the ground on a single stem, with nothing else attached to the stem, suggesting that the majority of the plant lived underground, probably living as a rhizome or something similar. The leaves are varigated two-tone green, heart-shaped. The flowers are what I found most striking.

An overview of the plant, with the shrub stem in shot:

A close-up of the plant:

As I said, I found the flower most interesting. Here’s a shot from the side:

And from the front, and below:

The flower was so interesting that I sectioned it for a look inside:

Perhaps I found it most interesting because I cultivate carnivorous plants. This flower’s obviously not carnivorous, but it looks a lot like these:

(Darlingtonia californica)

(Nepenthes allardi) — both these are growing in my backyard.

Anyone know what my mystery plant is?

btm said:

On the subject of identifying plants, I found one growing under my bathroom window (outside, under a shrub) a few years ago. Each leaf and flower came up from the ground on a single stem, with nothing else attached to the stem, suggesting that the majority of the plant lived underground, probably living as a rhizome or something similar. The leaves are varigated two-tone green, heart-shaped. The flowers are what I found most striking.

An overview of the plant, with the shrub stem in shot:

A close-up of the plant:

As I said, I found the flower most interesting. Here’s a shot from the side:

And from the front, and below:

The flower was so interesting that I sectioned it for a look inside:

Perhaps I found it most interesting because I cultivate carnivorous plants. This flower’s obviously not carnivorous, but it looks a lot like these:

(Darlingtonia californica)

(Nepenthes allardi) — both these are growing in my backyard.

Anyone know what my mystery plant is?

I don’t know, but wow!

Interesting. Great observations, terrific photos.

:)

btm said:

On the subject of identifying plants, I found one growing under my bathroom window (outside, under a shrub) a few years ago. Each leaf and flower came up from the ground on a single stem, with nothing else attached to the stem, suggesting that the majority of the plant lived underground, probably living as a rhizome or something similar. The leaves are varigated two-tone green, heart-shaped. The flowers are what I found most striking.

An overview of the plant, with the shrub stem in shot:

A close-up of the plant:

As I said, I found the flower most interesting. Here’s a shot from the side:

And from the front, and below:

The flower was so interesting that I sectioned it for a look inside:

Anyone know what my mystery plant is?

Hmmm. Araceae family (lilies). At first glance I thought orchid. Then lily.

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

http://www.terrain.net.nz/friends-of-te-henui-group/exotic-trees/arisarum-vulgare-friar-s-cowl.html

ruby said:

http://www.terrain.net.nz/friends-of-te-henui-group/exotic-trees/arisarum-vulgare-friar-s-cowl.html

Well done!

Brilliant!

That’s definitely the one — some of those photos are so similar to mine I had to look twice! Thanks ruby.

*joins ruby in happy dance*

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

So how did you find that?

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

So how did you find that?

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

ruby said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

So how did you find that?

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

Nearly anyone could have done that.

sibeen said:

ruby said:

Michael V said:

So how did you find that?

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

Nearly anyone could have done that.

I know. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, when the real experts have stepped outside to look at the stars or something. Just lucky I guess.
_{thank you google images}

ruby said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

So how did you find that?

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

:)

Thanks

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

sibeen said:

ruby said:

Michael V said:

So how did you find that?

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

Nearly anyone could have done that.

Sure, but I didn’t, and neither did you.

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Careful, roughy will be asking PWM man to post photomicrographs of pollen of his plant too.

ruby said:

sibeen said:

ruby said:

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

Nearly anyone could have done that.

I know. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, when the real experts have stepped outside to look at the stars or something. Just lucky I guess.
_{thank you google images}

Ta. I didn’t realise you looked on Google ImaGes…

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

ruby said:

Looked up lily spotted leaf striped flower, images. Found a flower with that nodding shape, brown stripes. Arisaema propinquum. Similar shape flower, but quite the wrong leaf. But Araceae family.
So, proceed to have a look around at Araceae. Yes, btm’s cut open flower was right.
So, look up Araceae spotted leaf striped flower in images. Found Cryptocoryne longicauda….hmmmm, closer. But not right. Then found an Arisarum, minus the spotted leaves. Right flower. Then bingo, found the picture that could have been btm’s plant, like he said.

It’s a nice plant. And now it has a name.

Nearly anyone could have done that.

Sure, but I didn’t, and neither did you.

I WAS BLOODY BUSY!

:)

Michael V said:

ruby said:

sibeen said:

Nearly anyone could have done that.

I know. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, when the real experts have stepped outside to look at the stars or something. Just lucky I guess.
_{thank you google images}

Ta. I didn’t realise you looked on Google ImaGes…

That’s why I love the plant ID challenge. You often find quite surprising things along the way, especially with images.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Nearly anyone could have done that.

Sure, but I didn’t, and neither did you.

I WAS BLOODY BUSY!

:)

Sounds like an excuse to me.

Michael V said:

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

Michael V said:

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

OK, but it might have to wait until Saturday. It’s going to take me a while to sort them (I’ve just been looking at them), and I’m orf to bed now; I’ve got a busy day ahead of me tomorrow.

ruby said:

Michael V said:

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

giggle

Study of pollen and spores trapped in un-cooked and un-oxidised sedimentary rocks. Great for age-dating. And funny names.

btm said:

Michael V said:

btm said:

Incidentally, I’ve got some photomicrographs of the pollen, too, at magnifications up to 1000x. Transmission and reflection microscopes. I didn’t post them because I didn’t think they’d help id the plant.

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

OK, but it might have to wait until Saturday. It’s going to take me a while to sort them (I’ve just been looking at them), and I’m orf to bed now; I’ve got a busy day ahead of me tomorrow.

:)

Fantastic.

:)

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Michael V said:

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

giggle

Study of pollen and spores trapped in un-cooked and un-oxidised sedimentary rocks. Great for age-dating. And funny names.

Huh. That’s a very clever thing to know for your geology work. How interesting.

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Michael V said:

Please post them.

I used to teach paleopalynology at Sydney Uni. Long time ago…

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

giggle

Study of pollen and spores trapped in un-cooked and un-oxidised sedimentary rocks. Great for age-dating. And funny names.

dulhuntyispora maewestus: Explanation: Scutula are reminiscent of a Mae West lifejacket.

Truth: Scutula look like boobs with big, erect nipples.

ruby said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

giggle

Study of pollen and spores trapped in un-cooked and un-oxidised sedimentary rocks. Great for age-dating. And funny names.

Huh. That’s a very clever thing to know for your geology work. How interesting.

It was. Really fascinating. And beautiful (down a microscope).

Michael V said:

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

Leaf description quite at odds with photographs. Doesn’t occur in that area.

In what way is the leaf discription at odds Leptospermum brevipes? With such a common plant that extends right through the NSW/Qld boarder area and extends well into Qld., why does it not occur in the area?

“leaves lanceolate to elliptical” (wrong shape)

“4-15 x c 2 mm” (likely wrong dimensions).

“usually skeletal soils on rocky outcrops” (wrong habitat).

“W. parts of Tablelands, W. Slopes, Nandewar Ra.” (wrong region – should be north coast to eastern part of tablelands).

I repeat below

>>Leaves elliptic to narrow-oblanceolate or obovate, mostly 10–20 mm long, usually 2–5 mm wide, flat or recurved, silky or glabrous; apex obtuse or short-acuminate, usually recurved, point minute, pungent; base narrowing to a short petiole.<<

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Leptospermum~brevipes

From the same reference.

>>Distribution and occurrence: Grows in dry sclerophyll forest, woodland and shrubland mostly on rocky granite outcrops on tablelands.<<

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

ruby said:

Oh goodness, I didn’t know you taught paleapoo…paleoply…paleopalynology. Actually, I don’t even know what that is!

giggle

Study of pollen and spores trapped in un-cooked and un-oxidised sedimentary rocks. Great for age-dating. And funny names.

dulhuntyispora maewestus: Explanation: Scutula are reminiscent of a Mae West lifejacket.

Truth: Scutula look like boobs with big, erect nipples.

And then there’s the (giggle) Permian radiolarian called “Rectotormentum fornicatus” (Nazarov and Ormiston 1970?).

giggle

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

Well done ruby. By the way, it’s tough as old boots. All over Mum’s garden now she doesn’t garden much. And I have it here, carpeting under a native frangipani group, mixed in with fishbone fern. I really don’t know where it came from originally, I presume one of my great aunts who were into odd garden plants.

Sometimes I pick the flowers to put on the front desk at the practice. It’s a good one for comments. I usually put a small card by the vase with the name of whatever is in the vase on it for people.

buffy said:

ruby said:

Oooo, I think I’ve found it. Arisarum vulgare. Friars cowl.

Happy dance.

Well done ruby. By the way, it’s tough as old boots. All over Mum’s garden now she doesn’t garden much. And I have it here, carpeting under a native frangipani group, mixed in with fishbone fern. I really don’t know where it came from originally, I presume one of my great aunts who were into odd garden plants.

Sometimes I pick the flowers to put on the front desk at the practice. It’s a good one for comments. I usually put a small card by the vase with the name of whatever is in the vase on it for people.

Aha, Buffy would have got it straight away. I like some of these odd garden plants. Artemis from the old forum gave me a Drimiopsis maculata that had been in her mum’s Oberon garden for years. Another tough survivor, and it looks interesting when it flowers.

A vase of the monk’s cowl would attract attention! I love the touch of the name tag.