Mr Pest Man says I’ve got bats in my belfry. How do I get rid of them? They don’t provide a bat relocation service.
Oh…. and the termite inspection report is all clear.
Woodie said:
Mr Pest Man says I’ve got bats in my belfry. How do I get rid of them? They don’t provide a bat relocation service.Oh…. and the termite inspection report is all clear.
Some bright LED battery lights
party_pants said:
Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
Had a few micro bats hanging (literally) around the shack on the Redoubt, underneath the verandah roof.
It wasn’t very dark and they didn’t stay long.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I lived with the for a few months in the shed while we were building the house. A bit annoying but not so bad. But there is no Hendra virus or worrying stuff about my microbats.
sarahs mum said:
Get yourself a carpet snake.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I lived with the for a few months in the shed while we were building the house. A bit annoying but not so bad. But there is no Hendra virus or worrying stuff about my microbats.
I have had to pop on a jumper, bit of a change.
AwesomeO said:
I have had to pop on a jumper, bit of a change.
I return you now to your scheduled program.
Woodie said:
Mr Pest Man says I’ve got bats in my belfry. How do I get rid of them? They don’t provide a bat relocation service.Oh…. and the termite inspection report is all clear.
Evicting bats from your home involves three general steps, inspecting the exterior of the house for all crevices that may be used as access points; sealing all holes except the main access point used by the bats, and installing a one-way door, which allows the bats to exit but prevents them from returning. Once all the bats have left the roost (usually after a week), the main access point can be sealed. Bat exclusions can be done yourself, but they are more commonly performed by professional bat excluders.
Make sure you get a photo for us.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I overheard part off a conversation last week that there were no more true microbats..
Anyone here know any more about this?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I overheard part off a conversation last week that there were no more true microbats..
Anyone here know any more about this?
From TATE:
“The microbats constitute the now outdated suborder Microchiroptera within the order Chiroptera (bats). Bats were once differentiated into Megachiroptera and Microchiroptera, based on their size, but available molecular evidence has now shown this to be incorrect, with the horseshoe bats and 4 other previous microbat families now being included in Yinpterochiroptera with the large fruit bats and others. Most species which were termed Microchiroptera are now referred to as the Yangochiroptera.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbat
So it looks like the conversation was about the reclassifaction of micro-/mega- bats
btm said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I overheard part off a conversation last week that there were no more true microbats..
Anyone here know any more about this?
From TATE:
“The microbats constitute the now outdated suborder Microchiroptera within the order Chiroptera (bats). Bats were once differentiated into Megachiroptera and Microchiroptera, based on their size, but available molecular evidence has now shown this to be incorrect, with the horseshoe bats and 4 other previous microbat families now being included in Yinpterochiroptera with the large fruit bats and others. Most species which were termed Microchiroptera are now referred to as the Yangochiroptera.”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbat
So it looks like the conversation was about the reclassifaction of micro-/mega- bats
ah..
i was between a couple of environmental scientists, so I thought it must have some basis behind it
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:
party_pants said:Some bright LED battery lights
Doesn’t work according to my research and the pest man, also I don’t have a roof cavity. Cathedral ceilings where the ceiling is attached to the roof-line beams.
Oh….. and type of bat? Micro bats. How many? Dunno, but sounds like hundreds stampeding in the roof, and judging by the amount of bat moo that’s falling through the timber lined ceiling.
I overheard part off a conversation last week that there were no more true microbats..
Anyone here know any more about this?
http://aws.org.au/pdf/school/Microbats.pdf
Stumpy_seahorse said:
btm said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:I overheard part off a conversation last week that there were no more true microbats..
Anyone here know any more about this?
From TATE:
“The microbats constitute the now outdated suborder Microchiroptera within the order Chiroptera (bats). Bats were once differentiated into Megachiroptera and Microchiroptera, based on their size, but available molecular evidence has now shown this to be incorrect, with the horseshoe bats and 4 other previous microbat families now being included in Yinpterochiroptera with the large fruit bats and others. Most species which were termed Microchiroptera are now referred to as the Yangochiroptera.”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbat
So it looks like the conversation was about the reclassifaction of micro-/mega- bats
ah..
i was between a couple of environmental scientists, so I thought it must have some basis behind it
sounds plausible.
Ogmog said:
Woodie said:
Mr Pest Man says I’ve got bats in my belfry. How do I get rid of them? They don’t provide a bat relocation service.Oh…. and the termite inspection report is all clear.
Evicting bats from your home involves three general steps, inspecting the exterior of the house for all crevices that may be used as access points; sealing all holes except the main access point used by the bats, and installing a one-way door, which allows the bats to exit but prevents them from returning. Once all the bats have left the roost (usually after a week), the main access point can be sealed. Bat exclusions can be done yourself, but they are more commonly performed by professional bat excluders.
Does anyone know any “professional bat excluders”?
Woodie said:
Ogmog said:
Woodie said:
Mr Pest Man says I’ve got bats in my belfry. How do I get rid of them? They don’t provide a bat relocation service.Oh…. and the termite inspection report is all clear.
Evicting bats from your home involves three general steps, inspecting the exterior of the house for all crevices that may be used as access points; sealing all holes except the main access point used by the bats, and installing a one-way door, which allows the bats to exit but prevents them from returning. Once all the bats have left the roost (usually after a week), the main access point can be sealed. Bat exclusions can be done yourself, but they are more commonly performed by professional bat excluders.
Does anyone know any “professional bat excluders”?
i know of a couple…
Why do you want to remove them from your house, are they causing you a problem? If not, leave them alone and get the benefit of professional insect controllers. They catch and eat a lot.
PermeateFree said:
Why do you want to remove them from your house, are they causing you a problem? If not, leave them alone and get the benefit of professional insect controllers. They catch and eat a lot.
This is why.
and
That is about a week’s worth.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Why do you want to remove them from your house, are they causing you a problem? If not, leave them alone and get the benefit of professional insect controllers. They catch and eat a lot.
This is why.
and
That’s the trouble with wildlife, it shits everywhere.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Why do you want to remove them from your house, are they causing you a problem? If not, leave them alone and get the benefit of professional insect controllers. They catch and eat a lot.
This is why.
and
That’s the trouble with wildlife, it shits everywhere.
Domesticated animals aren’t much better.
I once got a possum to move out from our roof space by switching on a transistor radio to a pop station, turning it up loud, and putting it up inside the man-hole to the roof space.
I did this for a few days in a row, before i went to work for the day. The tiled roof kept the noise in, but the possum soon decided that he needed to live somewhere more peaceful, and decamped to somewhere where he could sleep during the day.
Might work for bats, too.
captain_spalding said:
I once got a possum to move out from our roof space by switching on a transistor radio to a pop station, turning it up loud, and putting it up inside the man-hole to the roof space.I did this for a few days in a row, before i went to work for the day. The tiled roof kept the noise in, but the possum soon decided that he needed to live somewhere more peaceful, and decamped to somewhere where he could sleep during the day.
Might work for bats, too.
You need a sonar pinger.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Why do you want to remove them from your house, are they causing you a problem? If not, leave them alone and get the benefit of professional insect controllers. They catch and eat a lot.
This is why.
and
That’s the trouble with wildlife, it shits everywhere.
Going on the size of the dropping, they look more like mice droppings. Bats are much larger and with crumble into powder between your fingers. You might have bats, but it seems you have more mice, which would account for the noise. Watch the video in this link:
http://play.tojsiab.com/T2ZJZTh3eW44a28z
THANX 4 The LINK
IIt lead to THIS One
…but yes, the “Crumbling” thing IS one of the issues… :-/
it’s the inhalation of the fungal spores present in the guano
that presents the greatest danger (other than rabies..of course)
Bat Removal Using One Way Door – Charlotte, NC
http://wiatri.net/inventory/bats/Resources/BatExclusion.pdf
HAVE FUN! :-D
Ogmog said:
Bat Removal Using One Way Door – Charlotte, NChttp://wiatri.net/inventory/bats/Resources/BatExclusion.pdf
HAVE FUN! :-D
But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
Tamb said:
Ogmog said:
How to install Batconehttp://wiatri.net/inventory/bats/Resources/BatExclusion.pdf
HAVE FUN! :-D
But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
That’s why I included the BAT HOUSE Link.
By all means, shift them from your own house
…and into a home of their own, from which
they can come & go about their business…
…that of INSECT CONTROL.
If you have a hole big enough to let bats in then no wonder you have mosquitoes…
Ogmog said:
Tamb said:
Ogmog said:
How to install Batconehttp://wiatri.net/inventory/bats/Resources/BatExclusion.pdf
HAVE FUN! :-D
But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
I like bats too…
however the issue becomes
“Too much of A Good Thing”
obviously it’s gone from mozzie control
to that of a real & present health endangerment.That’s why I included the BAT HOUSE Link.
By all means, shift them from your own house
…and into a home of their own, from which
they can come & go about their business…
…that of INSECT CONTROL.
They pitstop in my toilet so I put a hanging place over the toilet bowl. All droppings go in there & I flush every morning. Problem solved.
furious said:
- But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
If you have a hole big enough to let bats in then no wonder you have mosquitoes…
Have to leave the door to the dog run open otherwise I’ll have a lot more than dry bat poop to contend with.
Tamb said:
furious said:
- But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
If you have a hole big enough to let bats in then no wonder you have mosquitoes…
Have to leave the door to the dog run open otherwise I’ll have a lot more than dry bat poop to contend with.
Ogmog said:
Tamb said:
furious said:
- But I like microbats in the house. Watching TV, mozzies about, bet zips by a few times, no mozzies.
If you have a hole big enough to let bats in then no wonder you have mosquitoes…
Have to leave the door to the dog run open otherwise I’ll have a lot more than dry bat poop to contend with.
Good idea but my blind chi would see that as an obstacle. Might work without the flap.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:This is why.
and
That’s the trouble with wildlife, it shits everywhere.
Going on the size of the dropping, they look more like mice droppings. Bats are much larger and with crumble into powder between your fingers. You might have bats, but it seems you have more mice, which would account for the noise. Watch the video in this link:
http://play.tojsiab.com/T2ZJZTh3eW44a28z
Micro bats, Mr Free. Smaller than a mouse. They’re in the roof, and under the house. And I don’t have an attic.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:That’s the trouble with wildlife, it shits everywhere.
Going on the size of the dropping, they look more like mice droppings. Bats are much larger and with crumble into powder between your fingers. You might have bats, but it seems you have more mice, which would account for the noise. Watch the video in this link:
http://play.tojsiab.com/T2ZJZTh3eW44a28z
Micro bats, Mr Free. Smaller than a mouse. They’re in the roof, and under the house. And I don’t have an attic.
To be fair both mice and microbats sould be using the space.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Going on the size of the dropping, they look more like mice droppings. Bats are much larger and with crumble into powder between your fingers. You might have bats, but it seems you have more mice, which would account for the noise. Watch the video in this link:
http://play.tojsiab.com/T2ZJZTh3eW44a28z
Micro bats, Mr Free. Smaller than a mouse. They’re in the roof, and under the house. And I don’t have an attic.
To be fair both mice and microbats sould be using the space.
No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Micro bats, Mr Free. Smaller than a mouse. They’re in the roof, and under the house. And I don’t have an attic.
To be fair both mice and microbats sould be using the space.
No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:To be fair both mice and microbats sould be using the space.
No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
You also build them some suitable habitat a bit further away from the house.
…… and Mr TV Antenna man says there’s nothing he can do to stop the tele going:
or
right in the middle of my favvy TV shows.
Woodie said:
…… and Mr TV Antenna man says there’s nothing he can do to stop the tele going:
or
right in the middle of my favvy TV shows.
Digital TV has a long way to go or maybe something better will arrive before they fix it.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:To be fair both mice and microbats sould be using the space.
No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
http://myswitch.digitalready.gov.au/ says I’m luck to get any pitcha at all.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
might take a few evenings of bat watching. They usually exit at dusk.
In the meantime that is great fertiliser that is landing oon your floor. Easy sweepings.
Woodie said:
…… and Mr TV Antenna man says there’s nothing he can do to stop the tele going:
or
right in the middle of my favvy TV shows.
—-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm3_qEMTdc4
Looks like WIRES is out of the question.
Woodie said:
Looks like WIRES is out of the question.
Actually they did try to help you.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
you need a bat detector van.
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
you need a bat detector van.
Passed one the other eve.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:No mouses, Roughy. No evidence where mouses usually lurk. Cupboards, corners behind the couch, calling cards in the kitchen sink etc. Nup. Just areas like that where it’s fallen through from the roof.
Every removal info I can find relies on you having an attic.
You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
put one of these on your neighbour’s roof…
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You wait until they fly at night and get up there and block the entry/exit.
How do I know if they’ve all gone out for dinner? Also it’s dark and night. How do I see them and the hole they come out of?
put one of these on your neighbour’s roof…
:)
I’d be setting up good safe habitat outside the house. Allow them to realise it is there and start blocking them out of the roof space. Use bird mesh. Not bird wire.
roughbarked said:
I’d be setting up good safe habitat outside the house. Allow them to realise it is there and start blocking them out of the roof space. Use bird mesh. Not bird wire.
http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s3274534.htm
http://ausbats.org.au/install-a-microbat-house/4582876246
http://www.allaboutbats.org.au/habitat/
AwesomeO said:
You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?
Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
I had already worked that out. So, it is perfect roosting space for microbats but only if they can get in. They are very small and can wiggle into very tight spaces. However, the builder left a gap and this need to be covered in some way.
Here is one, in my hand. It found its way into my bedroom.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
Ahhh ok. Yeah, that’s a problem, in that small space. I guess then they are getting in at the outside under the tin edge. Be a bigger job. All I can think of is if you can’t find any scents or sounds to turn them off, without also driving you batty… Then it might be wire mesh secured under the lip of the roof to the outside architrave, then lifting the tin during the day and chasing them out securing it again behind them.
roughbarked said:
http://ausbats.org.au/install-a-microbat-house/4582876246
From the above. “Bats need a large number of roost sites in the one area. Depending on the availability of existing
hollows, the installation of 10 to15 boxes in the one locality is likely to increase the chances of
success. “
Don’t have the time to fix my own box, let alone make 10 – 15 of them for something else!
batty in the boudoir.
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
AwesomeO said:
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
Ahhh ok. Yeah, that’s a problem, in that small space. I guess then they are getting in at the outside under the tin edge. Be a bigger job. All I can think of is if you can’t find any scents or sounds to turn them off, without also driving you batty… Then it might be wire mesh secured under the lip of the roof to the outside architrave, then lifting the tin during the day and chasing them out securing it again behind them.
Mesh as a flap in a specific spot and all the rest mashed more solidly. They can get out but not back in. You’ll only need thin strips of mesh.
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
transition is still in contact with her I think
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:http://ausbats.org.au/install-a-microbat-house/4582876246
From the above. “Bats need a large number of roost sites in the one area. Depending on the availability of existing
hollows, the installation of 10 to15 boxes in the one locality is likely to increase the chances of
success. “Don’t have the time to fix my own box, let alone make 10 – 15 of them for something else!
Ah but if you did ask wires, there may well be people willing to help. At the present time you merely need to replace the roost in your roofspace.
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
She replied to the photo I linked and you could try contacting her through the Flickr link.
tauto said:
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
They are not IN the house itself (other than the odd one that comes in an open door, and goes round and round and round and round and round and round). They are in the cavity between the ceiling and tin roof. Stampeding up and down, and their moo falls through into the house through the teeeeeeeensiest of gaps. So teeensie I can’t even see the gap. Ask Mr V for first hand experience of it.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
She replied to the photo I linked and you could try contacting her through the Flickr link.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/im_a_teapot/
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
She replied to the photo I linked and you could try contacting her through the Flickr link.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/im_a_teapot/
Though she hasn’t posted a photo there since September 25, 2013
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
I had already worked that out. So, it is perfect roosting space for microbats but only if they can get in. They are very small and can wiggle into very tight spaces. However, the builder left a gap and this need to be covered in some way.
The house is also western red cedar overlapping weatherboards, so there is a gap at each and every board where the tin flashing is at the edge of the roof gable. The roof beams also protrude out through the walls and are also exposed under all the eaves with associated micro gaps as well, as the western red cedar ages.
I just want someone or something to come and sort it.
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
Here is one, in my hand. It found its way into my bedroom.
Beauty. Thanks.
My pleasure. :)
roughbarked said:
Here is one, in my hand. It found its way into my bedroom.
Mine would be a little smaller than that.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
I had already worked that out. So, it is perfect roosting space for microbats but only if they can get in. They are very small and can wiggle into very tight spaces. However, the builder left a gap and this need to be covered in some way.
The house is also western red cedar overlapping weatherboards, so there is a gap at each and every board where the tin flashing is at the edge of the roof gable. The roof beams also protrude out through the walls and are also exposed under all the eaves with associated micro gaps as well, as the western red cedar ages.
I just want someone or something to come and sort it.
If I was nearby, I’d fix it easily and I’m sure that you must know someone handy. Otherwise, I am sure that there are people who would be happy to help both you and the bats. It really isn’t a biggie to fix.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Here is one, in my hand. It found its way into my bedroom.
Mine would be a little smaller than that.
There are a number of species.
Woodie said:
tauto said:
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
They are not IN the house itself (other than the odd one that comes in an open door, and goes round and round and round and round and round and round). They are in the cavity between the ceiling and tin roof. Stampeding up and down, and their moo falls through into the house through the teeeeeeeensiest of gaps. So teeensie I can’t even see the gap. Ask Mr V for first hand experience of it.
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Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house. Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
AwesomeO said:
I guess then they are getting in at the outside under the tin edge.
Exactly. They could be (and not yet determined) be getting in/out anywhere at each and every ripple in the corrugated iron roof.
tauto said:
Woodie said:
tauto said:
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
They are not IN the house itself (other than the odd one that comes in an open door, and goes round and round and round and round and round and round). They are in the cavity between the ceiling and tin roof. Stampeding up and down, and their moo falls through into the house through the teeeeeeeensiest of gaps. So teeensie I can’t even see the gap. Ask Mr V for first hand experience of it.
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Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house. Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
Do it on a hot day and they may tend to mummify?
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
Spocky wasn’t it? Or friend of Spocky?
tauto said:
Woodie said:
tauto said:
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
They are not IN the house itself (other than the odd one that comes in an open door, and goes round and round and round and round and round and round). They are in the cavity between the ceiling and tin roof. Stampeding up and down, and their moo falls through into the house through the teeeeeeeensiest of gaps. So teeensie I can’t even see the gap. Ask Mr V for first hand experience of it.
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Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house. Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
Yes. Fill everywhere except the main space they are using. It will take observation but every nocturnal animal leaves tracks that can be seen in daylight. Place a flap that they can push open to get out and they cannot push inward to get back in.
AwesomeO said:
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
They’re about $75 from what I can find, but most evidence I can find says they don’t work. Like those sonic kangaroo scarers for the front of you car.
Woodie said:
Peak Warming Man said:
We had a bat person on the old forum, Jenna Jones I think.
Try finding her.
Spocky wasn’t it? Or friend of Spocky?
Everyone is a friend to Spocky.
Jenna it was.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
They’re about $75 from what I can find, but most evidence I can find says they don’t work. Like those sonic kangaroo scarers for the front of you car.
Bats use sonar to find and catch food. I doubt it would bother them much. What is needed is a sonar jammer.
roughbarked said:
Ah but if you did ask wires, there may well be people willing to help. At the present time you merely need to replace the roost in your roofspace.
From WIRES Northern Rivers website “Native animals in ceiling spaces are a matter of building maintenance rather than wildlife volunteer removals…………. Co-existing with wildlife is part of the pleasure of living in the Northern Rivers.”
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Ah but if you did ask wires, there may well be people willing to help. At the present time you merely need to replace the roost in your roofspace.
From WIRES Northern Rivers website “Native animals in ceiling spaces are a matter of building maintenance rather than wildlife volunteer removals…………. Co-existing with wildlife is part of the pleasure of living in the Northern Rivers.”
You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Ah but if you did ask wires, there may well be people willing to help. At the present time you merely need to replace the roost in your roofspace.
From WIRES Northern Rivers website “Native animals in ceiling spaces are a matter of building maintenance rather than wildlife volunteer removals…………. Co-existing with wildlife is part of the pleasure of living in the Northern Rivers.”
You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
“If there is some aspect of this particular situation which is not covered by the above, please do not hesitate to call us on our 24 hr wildlife rescue hotline 66281898”.
Call them. Tell them that you don’t want to kill the bats but do require assistance co-existing with them.
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
my mate at Newrybar has those Indonesian noisy geckoes. I can hear them over the phone.
tauto said:
Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house.
Considering that expanding foam can stuff. Apparently they don’t eat or chew that stuff.
tauto said:
Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
Drastic enough that you can come visit me in jail if they did. :)
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
get some to woodie, they’ll eat the bats.
Bats got big noses. Maybe chili oil where they crawl in? Or blow chili powder into the cavity.
Woodie said:
tauto said:Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house.
Considering that expanding foam can stuff. Apparently they don’t eat or chew that stuff.
tauto said:
Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
Drastic enough that you can come visit me in jail if they did. :)
Maybe don’t advertise it?
AwesomeO said:
Do it on a hot day and they may tend to mummify?
They’ve survived very well in day after day of 38C – 40C+. Slows ‘em down a bit but.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
get some to woodie, they’ll eat the bats.
Then source some needle snakes.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:Do it on a hot day and they may tend to mummify?
They’ve survived very well in day after day of 38C – 40C+. Slows ‘em down a bit but.
No, I meant if they are dead. Less smell.
roughbarked said:
Yes. Fill everywhere except the main space they are using. It will take observation but every nocturnal animal leaves tracks that can be seen in daylight. Place a flap that they can push open to get out and they cannot push inward to get back in.
Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:Do it on a hot day and they may tend to mummify?
They’ve survived very well in day after day of 38C – 40C+. Slows ‘em down a bit but.
They are natives. They wouldn’t be using your roofspace if it didn’t suit them.
AwesomeO said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
get some to woodie, they’ll eat the bats.
Then source some needle snakes.
The thing is that for an ecosystem to work, the food needs to continue.
roughbarked said:
Bats use sonar to find and catch food. I doubt it would bother them much. What is needed is a sonar jammer.
hmmmm……. sounds good, but can’t wait that long for Mr Turnbull’s weapons and military innovation initiative.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Yes. Fill everywhere except the main space they are using. It will take observation but every nocturnal animal leaves tracks that can be seen in daylight. Place a flap that they can push open to get out and they cannot push inward to get back in.
Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Probably because you haven’t closed enough of the spaces off yet.
roughbarked said:
You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
AAAAARGGGHH A rat!
AwesomeO said:
Woodie said:
tauto said:Ah, you need “no more gaps”. Drastic but reliable. You buy enough cans to fill all the corrugation holes in the eaves as it meets the house.
Considering that expanding foam can stuff. Apparently they don’t eat or chew that stuff.
tauto said:
Drastic because a few may be trapped and die.
Drastic enough that you can come visit me in jail if they did. :)
Maybe don’t advertise it?
I should delete the thread then? :)
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
They’re about $75 from what I can find, but most evidence I can find says they don’t work. Like those sonic kangaroo scarers for the front of you car.
What do you mean those kangaroo thingies don’t work?
I’ve had one on my car for the last three years and I haven’t spotted a roo yet in my travels around Essendon.
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
They’re about $75 from what I can find, but most evidence I can find says they don’t work. Like those sonic kangaroo scarers for the front of you car.
What do you mean those kangaroo thingies don’t work?
I’ve had one on my car for the last three years and I haven’t spotted a roo yet in my travels around Essendon.
Which type? The electronic ones or the wind whistlers?
AwesomeO said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I had phascogales in my ceiling at the redoubt for a while, they are noisy buggers.
get some to woodie, they’ll eat the bats.
Then source some needle snakes.
There is local 3 metre python that I haven’t seen for a while. Swallowed one of my chooks whole, once. I’ve seen it climb up the side of the house and into a hole under the roof gutter smaller than a little finger. Didn’t spend too much time in there, but. It was about a 38C day at the time. It’s been around, cause it shed it’s skin in the garage about 3 months ago.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
https://bats.org.au/uploads/news-events/newsletters/BCRQBatChatter23.pdf
sibeen said:
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
I suppose experimenting with ultrasound could be an option, though I have no clues about the cost of kit. But everything electronic is cheap now so might be worth looking, something tuneable.
They’re about $75 from what I can find, but most evidence I can find says they don’t work. Like those sonic kangaroo scarers for the front of you car.
What do you mean those kangaroo thingies don’t work?
I’ve had one on my car for the last three years and I haven’t spotted a roo yet in my travels around Essendon.
take a drive through nth melbourne.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Yes. Fill everywhere except the main space they are using. It will take observation but every nocturnal animal leaves tracks that can be seen in daylight. Place a flap that they can push open to get out and they cannot push inward to get back in.
Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Probably because you haven’t closed enough of the spaces off yet.
Haven’t closed off ANY of the spaces yet. Where they’re getting in is 2 storeys up.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
Bogsnorkler said:get some to woodie, they’ll eat the bats.
Then source some needle snakes.
There is local 3 metre python that I haven’t seen for a while. Swallowed one of my chooks whole, once. I’ve seen it climb up the side of the house and into a hole under the roof gutter smaller than a little finger. Didn’t spend too much time in there, but. It was about a 38C day at the time. It’s been around, cause it shed it’s skin in the garage about 3 months ago.
Snakes don’t each much, not going to dent a colony. They eat once then sleep for days.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Probably because you haven’t closed enough of the spaces off yet.
Haven’t closed off ANY of the spaces yet. Where they’re getting in is 2 storeys up.
how about painting the internal ceiling with something that’ll fill the gaps in the panelling and stop the shit falling through?
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Probably because you haven’t closed enough of the spaces off yet.
Haven’t closed off ANY of the spaces yet. Where they’re getting in is 2 storeys up.
how about painting the internal ceiling with something that’ll fill the gaps in the panelling and stop the shit falling through?
The internal ceiling is stained/varnished “natural” timber.
How is your roof insulated. Two birds with one stone, get it insulated and they can go about pulling off the tin and packing any spaces.
Woodie said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:Haven’t closed off ANY of the spaces yet. Where they’re getting in is 2 storeys up.
how about painting the internal ceiling with something that’ll fill the gaps in the panelling and stop the shit falling through?
The internal ceiling is stained/varnished “natural” timber.
Hmmmmm you’re fucked then.
;-)
What sorta house do I have? This sorta house. Now you may understand the problem of getting at/fixing/blocking where they’re going/coming from.
AwesomeO said:
How is your roof insulated. Two birds with one stone, get it insulated and they can go about pulling off the tin and packing any spaces.
That silver foil sarking stuff. No room for insulation. Besides, they’d have to take the tin roof off to do it. That means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Woodie said:
…… and Mr TV Antenna man says there’s nothing he can do to stop the tele going:
or
right in the middle of my favvy TV shows.
Perhaps the mice have chewed through the cable. They do that.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:You could start by blocking all the holes except the biggest and most obvious. Give it a week for them to get used to using that hold, if they weren’t already, then get a torch and at night have a look around in there.
I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
Very likely mice then that you can’t see. I thought you had got up into the roof cavity. Mice like it up there.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:http://ausbats.org.au/install-a-microbat-house/4582876246
From the above. “Bats need a large number of roost sites in the one area. Depending on the availability of existing
hollows, the installation of 10 to15 boxes in the one locality is likely to increase the chances of
success. “Don’t have the time to fix my own box, let alone make 10 – 15 of them for something else!
Mice wouldn’t use them anyway.
Woodie said:
tauto said:
Seriously, Woodie, how do they get in?Do you have windows without flyscreens, do you leave the doors open on a hot night, are the eaves open to invasion? Also, after many years, why is it now a problem?
They are not IN the house itself (other than the odd one that comes in an open door, and goes round and round and round and round and round and round). They are in the cavity between the ceiling and tin roof. Stampeding up and down, and their moo falls through into the house through the teeeeeeeensiest of gaps. So teeensie I can’t even see the gap. Ask Mr V for first hand experience of it.
Do bats stampede up and down? Mice certainly do,
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:I might explain. The roof beams are exposed INSIDE the house. On TOP of those, the ceiling is timber lined, then battens on that, which has the tin roof screwed to them. You cannot see inside the roof, or any access to it, without taking the tin off the roof.
I had already worked that out. So, it is perfect roosting space for microbats but only if they can get in. They are very small and can wiggle into very tight spaces. However, the builder left a gap and this need to be covered in some way.
The house is also western red cedar overlapping weatherboards, so there is a gap at each and every board where the tin flashing is at the edge of the roof gable. The roof beams also protrude out through the walls and are also exposed under all the eaves with associated micro gaps as well, as the western red cedar ages.
I just want someone or something to come and sort it.
I have been watching a mouse cavorting around my place and have been amazed at just how well they can climb. The cables to and from the computer they literally run up and down. I have metal framed doors and the edge left when either the fly-screen or door is open, it climbs up and down with the greatest of ease. Getting into your roof cavity would be no problem for them at all.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:Do it on a hot day and they may tend to mummify?
They’ve survived very well in day after day of 38C – 40C+. Slows ‘em down a bit but.
Mice are not only adaptable, but can seek cooler areas away from the heat.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Yes. Fill everywhere except the main space they are using. It will take observation but every nocturnal animal leaves tracks that can be seen in daylight. Place a flap that they can push open to get out and they cannot push inward to get back in.
Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Because most of them are mice!
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
How is your roof insulated. Two birds with one stone, get it insulated and they can go about pulling off the tin and packing any spaces.
That silver foil sarking stuff. No room for insulation. Besides, they’d have to take the tin roof off to do it. That means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No room for insulation? Bats like a bit of room to hang. However mice don’t mind at all.
Why are you and Car so bloody helpless? You have been provided a video that tells you how to tell the difference between bats and mice droppings and what do you do. NOTHING! Animals have very distinctive droppings and if you would lower your hygiene standards for just a minute and examine them, you might be surprised.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You didn’t read all of the page. You are assuming that removal is the option. IT IS NOT. The answer is to give the bats another space to live in and then block them out of the house. Simple.
I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
All native mammals are protected. Only problem is getting someone willing to take on that responsibility, unless it is in a National Park.
As for don’t kill them, I would have thought it would be more important to find out whether they are bats or not. Purely going on a pest controllers opinion is hardly sufficient recommendation.
PermeateFree said:
As for don’t kill them, I would have thought it would be more important to find out whether they are bats or not. Purely going on a pest controllers opinion is hardly sufficient recommendation.
I’m no expert, but this looks like a cat to me.
PermeateFree said:
As for don’t kill them, I would have thought it would be more important to find out whether they are bats or not. Purely going on a pest controllers opinion is hardly sufficient recommendation.
I’m no expert, but this looks like a bat to me.
Https://www.flickr.com/photos/roughbarked/6808133229/in/photolist-bnBsPp
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
As for don’t kill them, I would have thought it would be more important to find out whether they are bats or not. Purely going on a pest controllers opinion is hardly sufficient recommendation.
I’m no expert, but this looks like a bat to me.
Https://www.flickr.com/photos/roughbarked/6808133229/in/photolist-bnBsPp
It is, but that bat and the bats in question are not in rb’s Belfry, they are supposedly in Woodies Belfry.
Roughie’s right (as usual)
How to build A Bat House
Not sure how the thread went to TV Reception..
A Bat House goes outside on a pole or on a shed
where it can be protected from extreme temperatures.
Seems like a WIN/WIN/WIN/WIN
They get a Home, You get Peace & Quite,
they get to eat mozzies, you get mozzie protection
Rent a 2 story ladder and buy the expanding foam.
Making as little mess as possible, close up EVERY GAP
EXCEPT ONE. Buy or construct A ONE-WAY Bat Excluder
Wait for them to leave, (about a week) seal the last remaining hole.
If you’re unable to do all of the above, hire a handy person…
..or roll down a TARP in the crawl space so the guano don’t leak through
and otherwise learn to live with the lil’ blighters. :)
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Looked for evidence of where their main entry/exit is, but can’t find any evidence.
Probably because you haven’t closed enough of the spaces off yet.
Haven’t closed off ANY of the spaces yet. Where they’re getting in is 2 storeys up.
I don’t know why you haven’t called your builder back.
Woodie said:
What sorta house do I have? This sorta house. Now you may understand the problem of getting at/fixing/blocking where they’re going/coming from.
Yep. Call the builders and tell them they fucked up.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
How is your roof insulated. Two birds with one stone, get it insulated and they can go about pulling off the tin and packing any spaces.
That silver foil sarking stuff. No room for insulation. Besides, they’d have to take the tin roof off to do it. That means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes but they should have fixed it in the first place and you are the quality control person. Builders get away with loads of crap thta would neer be able to happen if someone was supervising their work.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:I did read it Mr Roughy. I don’t have the time, or the skill to go providing multiple “other spaces” to live, besides there’s plenty for them to live around here. I“m yet to try WIRES, and I’m quite willing to make a sizeable donation if they can assist.
I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:I feel sure they can put you on to people. Especially if you mention Jenna Jones. People care and it isn’t a huge working bee.
Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
I don’t think so.. IIRC Jenna was her dogs name at the time… I did know her real name but I can’t recall it now. But really just get wires or similar, if they are bats. A cat, if it is mice. A dog, if it is a cat. A ferret, if it is anything else. And a horse.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
I don’t think so.. IIRC Jenna was her dogs name at the time… I did know her real name but I can’t recall it now. But really just get wires or similar, if they are bats. A cat, if it is mice. A dog, if it is a cat. A ferret, if it is anything else. And a horse.
yes, Jenna =/= her irl name.
as I said earlier, transition is in contact with her, he should be able to get you in contact with her
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:Jenna Jones wasn’t her real name.
The bats are probably protected, don’t kill them.
Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
I don’t think so.. IIRC Jenna was her dogs name at the time… I did know her real name but I can’t recall it now. But really just get wires or similar, if they are bats. A cat, if it is mice. A dog, if it is a cat. A ferret, if it is anything else. And a horse.
She told me her name is Storm. It could well be true or she could have been pulling my leg.
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
I don’t think so.. IIRC Jenna was her dogs name at the time… I did know her real name but I can’t recall it now. But really just get wires or similar, if they are bats. A cat, if it is mice. A dog, if it is a cat. A ferret, if it is anything else. And a horse.
yes, Jenna =/= her irl name.
as I said earlier, transition is in contact with her, he should be able to get you in contact with her
I found her to be an extremely helpful and caring person in relation to all issues about bats.
roughbarked said:
You seem to have it in your head that Woodie has just had the place built. That’s not the case. It was home-built by the previous owners, umpteen (20? 25?) years ago. Mostly it was a better than excellent job. Two story, timber, mud brick, and plaster with a corrugated iron roof. The small bats moved into the tiny space between the roof and ceiling about a year ago.
Woodie said:
AwesomeO said:
How is your roof insulated. Two birds with one stone, get it insulated and they can go about pulling off the tin and packing any spaces.
That silver foil sarking stuff. No room for insulation. Besides, they’d have to take the tin roof off to do it. That means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes but they should have fixed it in the first place and you are the quality control person. Builders get away with loads of crap thta would neer be able to happen if someone was supervising their work.
roughbarked said:
IIRC, that’s true.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:Could it then be Jennifer Springfield?
I don’t think so.. IIRC Jenna was her dogs name at the time… I did know her real name but I can’t recall it now. But really just get wires or similar, if they are bats. A cat, if it is mice. A dog, if it is a cat. A ferret, if it is anything else. And a horse.
She told me her name is Storm. It could well be true or she could have been pulling my leg.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:You seem to have it in your head that Woodie has just had the place built. That’s not the case. It was home-built by the previous owners, umpteen (20? 25?) years ago. Mostly it was a better than excellent job. Two story, timber, mud brick, and plaster with a corrugated iron roof. The small bats moved into the tiny space between the roof and ceiling about a year ago.
Woodie said:That silver foil sarking stuff. No room for insulation. Besides, they’d have to take the tin roof off to do it. That means $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes but they should have fixed it in the first place and you are the quality control person. Builders get away with loads of crap thta would neer be able to happen if someone was supervising their work.
Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
PermeateFree said:
What?
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:You seem to have it in your head that Woodie has just had the place built. That’s not the case. It was home-built by the previous owners, umpteen (20? 25?) years ago. Mostly it was a better than excellent job. Two story, timber, mud brick, and plaster with a corrugated iron roof. The small bats moved into the tiny space between the roof and ceiling about a year ago.Yes but they should have fixed it in the first place and you are the quality control person. Builders get away with loads of crap thta would neer be able to happen if someone was supervising their work.
Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
I pointed out that the house was built maybe a quarter of a century ago by someone else, long before Woodie bought the place, and that blaming Woodie for lack of supervision of the builders is nonsense.
Anyway, what is the quick and easy (no more than a minutes job, you say above) thing to do to resolve this issue?
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:What?
Michael V said:
You seem to have it in your head that Woodie has just had the place built. That’s not the case. It was home-built by the previous owners, umpteen (20? 25?) years ago. Mostly it was a better than excellent job. Two story, timber, mud brick, and plaster with a corrugated iron roof. The small bats moved into the tiny space between the roof and ceiling about a year ago.Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
I pointed out that the house was built maybe a quarter of a century ago by someone else, long before Woodie bought the place, and that blaming Woodie for lack of supervision of the builders is nonsense.
Anyway, what is the quick and easy (no more than a minutes job, you say above) thing to do to resolve this issue?
I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else. I have not criticised the building at all, only remarked that the droppings could also be mice droppings. If you go back to the beginning of this thread I posted a short video link that explained the difference between bat and mouse droppings. All you need do is rub a dropping between thumb and finger and a bat dropping will disintegrate into power, whereas a mouse dropping will remain largely as is. A simple test taking no more than a minute to do, but then everyone would know the situation instead of the current assumptions.
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
PermeateFree said:
It seems you accidentally quoted me remonstrating roughbarked about Woodie’s non-supervision of the building instead of simply replying to the thread. This has led to misunderstandings from both of us. Apologies for my misunderstanding.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:What?Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
I pointed out that the house was built maybe a quarter of a century ago by someone else, long before Woodie bought the place, and that blaming Woodie for lack of supervision of the builders is nonsense.
Anyway, what is the quick and easy (no more than a minutes job, you say above) thing to do to resolve this issue?
I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else. I have not criticised the building at all, only remarked that the droppings could also be mice droppings. If you go back to the beginning of this thread I posted a short video link that explained the difference between bat and mouse droppings. All you need do is rub a dropping between thumb and finger and a bat dropping will disintegrate into power, whereas a mouse dropping will remain largely as is. A simple test taking no more than a minute to do, but then everyone would know the situation instead of the current assumptions.
Quoting your original post (which I had already seen) without mine might have been a better option.
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:It seems you accidentally quoted me remonstrating roughbarked about Woodie’s non-supervision of the building instead of simply replying to the thread. This has led to misunderstandings from both of us. Apologies for my misunderstanding.
Michael V said:
What?I pointed out that the house was built maybe a quarter of a century ago by someone else, long before Woodie bought the place, and that blaming Woodie for lack of supervision of the builders is nonsense.
Anyway, what is the quick and easy (no more than a minutes job, you say above) thing to do to resolve this issue?
I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else. I have not criticised the building at all, only remarked that the droppings could also be mice droppings. If you go back to the beginning of this thread I posted a short video link that explained the difference between bat and mouse droppings. All you need do is rub a dropping between thumb and finger and a bat dropping will disintegrate into power, whereas a mouse dropping will remain largely as is. A simple test taking no more than a minute to do, but then everyone would know the situation instead of the current assumptions.
Quoting your original post (which I had already seen) without mine might have been a better option.
Well simply looking at the posts above, I have not replied to any of rb’s posts. Therefore my procedure has been completely relevant in response to your posts.
I’ve probably got about thirty years left to live, and I’m getting to the stage where I’m thinking it is just not worthwhile carrying out some system administration tasks.
PermeateFree said:
Go back to your original reply (quoting me and rb). You responded to me responding to roughbarked.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:It seems you accidentally quoted me remonstrating roughbarked about Woodie’s non-supervision of the building instead of simply replying to the thread. This has led to misunderstandings from both of us. Apologies for my misunderstanding.I think you are getting me mixed up with someone else. I have not criticised the building at all, only remarked that the droppings could also be mice droppings. If you go back to the beginning of this thread I posted a short video link that explained the difference between bat and mouse droppings. All you need do is rub a dropping between thumb and finger and a bat dropping will disintegrate into power, whereas a mouse dropping will remain largely as is. A simple test taking no more than a minute to do, but then everyone would know the situation instead of the current assumptions.
Quoting your original post (which I had already seen) without mine might have been a better option.
Well simply looking at the posts above, I have not replied to any of rb’s posts. Therefore my procedure has been completely relevant in response to your posts.
I apologised for my misunderstanding.
Surely you could be man enough to apologise for yours.
Michael V said:
And here’s the URL, for your edification, just in case you don’t want to look, or can’t be bothered:
PermeateFree said:Go back to your original reply (quoting me and rb). You responded to me responding to roughbarked.
Michael V said:
It seems you accidentally quoted me remonstrating roughbarked about Woodie’s non-supervision of the building instead of simply replying to the thread. This has led to misunderstandings from both of us. Apologies for my misunderstanding.Quoting your original post (which I had already seen) without mine might have been a better option.
Well simply looking at the posts above, I have not replied to any of rb’s posts. Therefore my procedure has been completely relevant in response to your posts.
I apologised for my misunderstanding.
Surely you could be man enough to apologise for yours.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183261/
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
I would also think there would be droppings in the house in areas where food crumbs were. not just in these locations pictured.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:What?
Michael V said:
You seem to have it in your head that Woodie has just had the place built. That’s not the case. It was home-built by the previous owners, umpteen (20? 25?) years ago. Mostly it was a better than excellent job. Two story, timber, mud brick, and plaster with a corrugated iron roof. The small bats moved into the tiny space between the roof and ceiling about a year ago.Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
I pointed out that the house was built maybe a quarter of a century ago by someone else, long before Woodie bought the place, and that blaming Woodie for lack of supervision of the builders is nonsense.
Anyway, what is the quick and easy (no more than a minutes job, you say above) thing to do to resolve this issue?
Quite clearly I was referring to the bats vs mice situation, Are you saying I should not reply to a post that is relative to the situation? Perhaps if you read the posts without prejudice my posts might make more sense to you.
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
could be meteorite droppings….
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
Well they don’t mind each others company. I take it you are not in favour in examining the droppings to ascertain which animals are involved?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
could be meteorite droppings….
Really?
(Eyes pop.)
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
I would also think there would be droppings in the house in areas where food crumbs were. not just in these locations pictured.
Not if they are contained withing the Belfry. Is examining the dropping such a big issue for you?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
could be meteorite droppings….
lol
Witty Rejoinder said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Bogsnorkler said:yeah, but that isn’t them living in a colony now, is it?
could be meteorite droppings….
lol
Just for the record, meteorite dropping are very different to Mallee Bird droppings, but I guess you need to see the difference for yourselves, particularly as you have disregarded everything I have said on the matter.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:could be meteorite droppings….
lol
Just for the record, meteorite dropping are very different to Mallee Bird droppings, but I guess you need to see the difference for yourselves, particularly as you have disregarded everything I have said on the matter.
Considering ‘the Pest Man’ has already identified the droppings as bat droppings, in the 1st post of this thread..
you started it by disregarding that and offering your mouse theory…
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:lol
Just for the record, meteorite dropping are very different to Mallee Bird droppings, but I guess you need to see the difference for yourselves, particularly as you have disregarded everything I have said on the matter.
Considering ‘the Pest Man’ has already identified the droppings as bat droppings, in the 1st post of this thread..
you started it by disregarding that and offering your mouse theory…
Pest man probably has some of that fancy book learnin’…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:Just for the record, meteorite dropping are very different to Mallee Bird droppings, but I guess you need to see the difference for yourselves, particularly as you have disregarded everything I have said on the matter.
Considering ‘the Pest Man’ has already identified the droppings as bat droppings, in the 1st post of this thread..
you started it by disregarding that and offering your mouse theory…
Pest man probably has some of that fancy book learnin’…
obviously he read Woodie’s tea leaves and the universe told him it was bats…
really, he should have told him it was mice.. could’ve squeezed a few dozen more shekels out of Woodie and thrwn a couple of baits and traps down.. missed out on a profit there..
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:lol
Just for the record, meteorite dropping are very different to Mallee Bird droppings, but I guess you need to see the difference for yourselves, particularly as you have disregarded everything I have said on the matter.
Considering ‘the Pest Man’ has already identified the droppings as bat droppings, in the 1st post of this thread..
you started it by disregarding that and offering your mouse theory…
You obviously have a lot more confidence in pest controllers than me. I think had he known much about the business, other than destroying the more common pests, he would have carried out the simple dropping test to be sure. By the way, when I was desperately seeking information about certain invertebrates a while ago, much of what they claimed on their websites were simply ridiculous. However, I have no doubt some would be quite knowledgeable, but did Woodie have one of these?
PermeateFree said:
Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
It is bats, Mr Free. Bats. RML…… Bats. Micro bats. I’ve just spent $220 on the pest man to tell me it is bats (and I have no termites). He has heard micro bats, seen then and listened to them. I have seen bats. Micro bats. They are also roosting under the house (which I have no problem with) so the pest man tells me as well..
I have no mice. Not a mouse ( or rat) to be seen, or anything that indicates mice in cupboards, drawers, wardrobes, behind the couch, or anywhere else. I don’t see them scamper across the floor or climb up my leg when I’m not looking. Mr Pest Man also says “no rodents”.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Woodie obviously has a problem, but don’t you think it would wise to ascertain exactly who is causing the problem? It might well be bats as it could also be mice or a combination of the two. You discovered your gardening problem by simply digging a small hole to see if the water had penetrated, this gave you the means of solving the problem. Likewise it is no more than a minutes job to see exactly what type or types of animal are causing this problem. Why the reluctance to find out is beyond my comprehension, especially when it is so quick and easy to do.
It is bats, Mr Free. Bats. RML…… Bats. Micro bats. I’ve just spent $220 on the pest man to tell me it is bats (and I have no termites). He has heard micro bats, seen then and listened to them. I have seen bats. Micro bats. They are also roosting under the house (which I have no problem with) so the pest man tells me as well..
I have no mice. Not a mouse ( or rat) to be seen, or anything that indicates mice in cupboards, drawers, wardrobes, behind the couch, or anywhere else. I don’t see them scamper across the floor or climb up my leg when I’m not looking. Mr Pest Man also says “no rodents”.
you sure it isn’t mice? maybe they are fledermauses.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
I have a vacuum cleaner full of the bloody things, Mr Free. The only thing I haven’t done with it, is eat it.
And as for getting something done about it, I’ve only taken on the challenge this week, after they’ve been annoying the shit outa me for about a year. That pile of moo is on the carpet at the top of the stairs, and a few spot around the walls. Nowhere else. Not under beds, in cupboards, wardrobes, sock drawers, kitchen, anywhere else. I trust Mr Pest Man that he knows the different between evidence of micro bats or mice, specially when he’s had a far more thorough look that I have.
Mr Pest Man says it is NOT mice.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Looks like bats as they roost in colonies and so a concentration of shit in those areas. Don’t believe mice live in colonies.
Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
I have a vacuum cleaner full of the bloody things, Mr Free. The only thing I haven’t done with it, is eat it.
And as for getting something done about it, I’ve only taken on the challenge this week, after they’ve been annoying the shit outa me for about a year. That pile of moo is on the carpet at the top of the stairs, and a few spot around the walls. Nowhere else. Not under beds, in cupboards, wardrobes, sock drawers, kitchen, anywhere else. I trust Mr Pest Man that he knows the different between evidence of micro bats or mice, specially when he’s had a far more thorough look that I have.
Mr Pest Man says it is NOT mice.
did he check for hamsters?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
could be meteorite droppings….
Probably coprolite droppings by now. :)
party_pants said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Ever seen them lifting up sheets of tin in mallee areas during a mouse plague. Again this is an assumption that can be qualified simply by checking the droppings. It is no big deal.
I have a vacuum cleaner full of the bloody things, Mr Free. The only thing I haven’t done with it, is eat it.
And as for getting something done about it, I’ve only taken on the challenge this week, after they’ve been annoying the shit outa me for about a year. That pile of moo is on the carpet at the top of the stairs, and a few spot around the walls. Nowhere else. Not under beds, in cupboards, wardrobes, sock drawers, kitchen, anywhere else. I trust Mr Pest Man that he knows the different between evidence of micro bats or mice, specially when he’s had a far more thorough look that I have.
Mr Pest Man says it is NOT mice.
did he check for hamsters?
Richard?
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
Woodie said:I have a vacuum cleaner full of the bloody things, Mr Free. The only thing I haven’t done with it, is eat it.
And as for getting something done about it, I’ve only taken on the challenge this week, after they’ve been annoying the shit outa me for about a year. That pile of moo is on the carpet at the top of the stairs, and a few spot around the walls. Nowhere else. Not under beds, in cupboards, wardrobes, sock drawers, kitchen, anywhere else. I trust Mr Pest Man that he knows the different between evidence of micro bats or mice, specially when he’s had a far more thorough look that I have.
Mr Pest Man says it is NOT mice.
did he check for hamsters?
Richard?
the worst kind…
PermeateFree said:
You obviously have a lot more confidence in pest controllers than me. I think had he known much about the business, other than destroying the more common pests, he would have carried out the simple dropping test to be sure. By the way, when I was desperately seeking information about certain invertebrates a while ago, much of what they claimed on their websites were simply ridiculous. However, I have no doubt some would be quite knowledgeable, but did Woodie have one of these?
The bats are also out in the garage (train room) where the same circles out in the middle of the floor are evident. Mice don’t run out the middle of the floor and shit. I’ve never seen any bats roosting above these moo circles in the garage. Lo and behold, when I showed Mr Pest man this evidence, guess what….. there were 3 micro bats roosting right over the moo circle.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:You obviously have a lot more confidence in pest controllers than me. I think had he known much about the business, other than destroying the more common pests, he would have carried out the simple dropping test to be sure. By the way, when I was desperately seeking information about certain invertebrates a while ago, much of what they claimed on their websites were simply ridiculous. However, I have no doubt some would be quite knowledgeable, but did Woodie have one of these?
The bats are also out in the garage (train room) where the same circles out in the middle of the floor are evident. Mice don’t run out the middle of the floor and shit. I’ve never seen any bats roosting above these moo circles in the garage. Lo and behold, when I showed Mr Pest man this evidence, guess what….. there were 3 micro bats roosting right over the moo circle.
woodie, I think you should believe the internet people over the person with experience and who has actually inspected the property…
Bogsnorkler said:
you sure it isn’t mice? maybe they are fledermauses.
You reckon they are a Strauss Mouse? A flying mouse perhaps? Then it would be a grouse strauss mouse. :) With fleas? A louse grouse strauss mouse. With it’s own home? A house louse grouse strauss mouse? And wet? A doused house louse grouse strauss mouse. Shall I go on? :)
party_pants said:
did he check for hamsters?
A filigree siberian hamster?
Well, the German word for bat translates as “flying mouse”.
Woodie said:
Bogsnorkler said:you sure it isn’t mice? maybe they are fledermauses.
You reckon they are a Strauss Mouse? A flying mouse perhaps? Then it would be a grouse strauss mouse. :) With fleas? A louse grouse strauss mouse. With it’s own home? A house louse grouse strauss mouse? And wet? A doused house louse grouse strauss mouse. Shall I go on? :)
you’re batty.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:You obviously have a lot more confidence in pest controllers than me. I think had he known much about the business, other than destroying the more common pests, he would have carried out the simple dropping test to be sure. By the way, when I was desperately seeking information about certain invertebrates a while ago, much of what they claimed on their websites were simply ridiculous. However, I have no doubt some would be quite knowledgeable, but did Woodie have one of these?
The bats are also out in the garage (train room) where the same circles out in the middle of the floor are evident. Mice don’t run out the middle of the floor and shit. I’ve never seen any bats roosting above these moo circles in the garage. Lo and behold, when I showed Mr Pest man this evidence, guess what….. there were 3 micro bats roosting right over the moo circle.
Well that is good because now you have a comparison. First try rolling the bat dropping between thumb and finger. if it crumbles into dust that confirms it. Then check the droppings inside your house to see if they react the same. You have been given considerable information on how to tell the difference between mice and bats, so if you can’t be bothered to check then I cannot be bothered to tell you how to keep the bats out of your Belfry. And by the way, mice are EVERYWHERE even in Central Australia and if you say you have none around you then you don’t know what you are talking about.
Woodie said:
Bogsnorkler said:you sure it isn’t mice? maybe they are fledermauses.
You reckon they are a Strauss Mouse? A flying mouse perhaps? Then it would be a grouse strauss mouse. :) With fleas? A louse grouse strauss mouse. With it’s own home? A house louse grouse strauss mouse? And wet? A doused house louse grouse strauss mouse. Shall I go on? :)
chocolate mousse
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:You obviously have a lot more confidence in pest controllers than me. I think had he known much about the business, other than destroying the more common pests, he would have carried out the simple dropping test to be sure. By the way, when I was desperately seeking information about certain invertebrates a while ago, much of what they claimed on their websites were simply ridiculous. However, I have no doubt some would be quite knowledgeable, but did Woodie have one of these?
The bats are also out in the garage (train room) where the same circles out in the middle of the floor are evident. Mice don’t run out the middle of the floor and shit. I’ve never seen any bats roosting above these moo circles in the garage. Lo and behold, when I showed Mr Pest man this evidence, guess what….. there were 3 micro bats roosting right over the moo circle.
And by the way, mice are EVERYWHERE even in Central Australia and if you say you have none around you then you don’t know what you are talking about.
he isn’t saying that though. he is just saying there is no evidence of mice inside. just as I can say it for my place.
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:
Bogsnorkler said:you sure it isn’t mice? maybe they are fledermauses.
You reckon they are a Strauss Mouse? A flying mouse perhaps? Then it would be a grouse strauss mouse. :) With fleas? A louse grouse strauss mouse. With it’s own home? A house louse grouse strauss mouse? And wet? A doused house louse grouse strauss mouse. Shall I go on? :)
chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
PermeateFree said:
Well that is good because now you have a comparison. First try rolling the bat dropping between thumb and finger. if it crumbles into dust that confirms it. Then check the droppings inside your house to see if they react the same. You have been given considerable information on how to tell the difference between mice and bats, so if you can’t be bothered to check then I cannot be bothered to tell you how to keep the bats out of your Belfry. And by the way, mice are EVERYWHERE even in Central Australia and if you say you have none around you then you don’t know what you are talking about.
Then again, Mr Free, they could be pixies. I found this mummified one behind the couch. No idea how long it had been there. Quite a while, by the looks of it.
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Woodie said:You reckon they are a Strauss Mouse? A flying mouse perhaps? Then it would be a grouse strauss mouse. :) With fleas? A louse grouse strauss mouse. With it’s own home? A house louse grouse strauss mouse? And wet? A doused house louse grouse strauss mouse. Shall I go on? :)
chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Well that is good because now you have a comparison. First try rolling the bat dropping between thumb and finger. if it crumbles into dust that confirms it. Then check the droppings inside your house to see if they react the same. You have been given considerable information on how to tell the difference between mice and bats, so if you can’t be bothered to check then I cannot be bothered to tell you how to keep the bats out of your Belfry. And by the way, mice are EVERYWHERE even in Central Australia and if you say you have none around you then you don’t know what you are talking about.
Then again, Mr Free, they could be pixies. I found this mummified one behind the couch. No idea how long it had been there. Quite a while, by the looks of it.
Oh, how cute, the mice are burying their friends on some leaves.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
There’s a proverb about how interesting bat shit is.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
yhey also say that when you get to the bottom of a hole, you should probably stop shovelling…
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Well that is good because now you have a comparison. First try rolling the bat dropping between thumb and finger. if it crumbles into dust that confirms it. Then check the droppings inside your house to see if they react the same. You have been given considerable information on how to tell the difference between mice and bats, so if you can’t be bothered to check then I cannot be bothered to tell you how to keep the bats out of your Belfry. And by the way, mice are EVERYWHERE even in Central Australia and if you say you have none around you then you don’t know what you are talking about.
Then again, Mr Free, they could be pixies. I found this mummified one behind the couch. No idea how long it had been there. Quite a while, by the looks of it.
Woodie you are an emotional fool who will spite their face rather than take on information supplied by someone you don’t like. It would be sad, if I cared about what you do or what ills might befall you, but I don’t.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
your superiority complex is showing again.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
There’s a proverb about how interesting bat shit is.
No it is just information, how to identify a fact, but nobody is interested. Rather funny really going on what has been said here in the past.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.
RML. Micro bats. And just to repeat myself. Micro bats. M…. I…. C……R…. O………….. B…….A……T…….S.
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
your superiority complex is showing again.
His slip?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
yhey also say that when you get to the bottom of a hole, you should probably stop shovelling…
But I am not in a hole, such is the logic being displayed around here. All I have done is provide information to tell the difference between a bat and a mouse dropping. I have not said that they are mice droppings. only that they might be and they should be checked to enable the correct solution.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.
yep, you know when you have mice in the house. they don’t just stay in the ceiling and walls. That is when I hear them and then see their droppings in the kitchen.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
There’s a proverb about how interesting bat shit is.
No it is just information, how to identify a fact, but nobody is interested. Rather funny really going on what has been said here in the past.
You have been over it. Please don’t consider that Woodie is interested in the science of bat shit. He simply wants to be rid of it.
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
your superiority complex is showing again.
No yours is Boris, just because Woodie has not seen mice in his house, it dose not follow that they might be some in his Belfry. On reflection, considering the stupid comments that have been made over this matter, it is difficult to think that I am not superior to what is going on here.
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.
You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
your superiority complex is showing again.
No yours is Boris, just because Woodie has not seen mice in his house, it dose not follow that they might be some in his Belfry. On reflection, considering the stupid comments that have been made over this matter, it is difficult to think that I am not superior to what is going on here.
Look. Think about it. If that much mouse shit is falling down, they’d have eaten through sheets of zincalume by now to get to real food.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.
I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
I absolutely am in full agreement with the above and have said it many times. It is wasted on arguing some unknown point because it is actually known by the people PF thinks don’t.
I have almost gone as far to say, “listen PF, I’ll help you with writing the book”.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
The mice aren’t going to stop there and you should know this as well as any of us.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
So when Woodie said “I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.”…
what did that tell you?…
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:your superiority complex is showing again.
No yours is Boris, just because Woodie has not seen mice in his house, it dose not follow that they might be some in his Belfry. On reflection, considering the stupid comments that have been made over this matter, it is difficult to think that I am not superior to what is going on here.
Look. Think about it. If that much mouse shit is falling down, they’d have eaten through sheets of zincalume by now to get to real food.
You can come up with all the reasons why mice are not there, but they are just opinions. If you want the facts you need to carry out a one minute test. What is there to argue about?
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.
I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
So when Woodie said “I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.”…
what did that tell you?…
That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
You shouldn’t be looking for a reaction. You should be all over the facts. Nobody can argue with any of that.
Rb, you may have missed the point, but I am trying to inform you and anyone else here how to establish the fact. Currently, everyone is offering opinions, but not many facts, well do what I recommend and you will have at least one.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
Mr Free………….. I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast. What do you think that means? Maybe we should also package it up and send off to the CSIRO lab for DNA and forensic testing and identification?
PermeateFree said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
So when Woodie said “I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.”…
what did that tell you?…
That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:No yours is Boris, just because Woodie has not seen mice in his house, it dose not follow that they might be some in his Belfry. On reflection, considering the stupid comments that have been made over this matter, it is difficult to think that I am not superior to what is going on here.
Look. Think about it. If that much mouse shit is falling down, they’d have eaten through sheets of zincalume by now to get to real food.
You can come up with all the reasons why mice are not there, but they are just opinions. If you want the facts you need to carry out a one minute test. What is there to argue about?
None of us are there on the spot so to speak. Woodie wil tell us when the mice actually chew through the ceiling.
I had a room that I believed was rodent proof. I had huge quantities of native seed stored in there being catalogued and stored. For decades the rats practiced for the FA cup with walnuts on the ceiling. I was away opal miining when there was a mouse plague. The mice came around in the cavity of the double brick wall and chewed the phone cable off to gain entry through that hole. Because I was away long enough, the mice made a mess of any seed that hadn’t been put in glass tin or plastic jars yet. The rats above the ceiling smelled mice bleow and drilled a neat hole through the creiling, csame down and ate the mice. after that because they couldn’t get back up through the ceiling, they either ate each other or simply died. I came home to this mess.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I believe that Mr Woodie informed us of the fact that there is no evidence of mice coming down inside the house. We are all aware of why mice come inside. They can get into a ceiling space and nest there yes. However, they’d rather get inside and they will chew their way in if they have to. All because they can smell your food.
I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
Mr Free………….. I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast. What do you think that means? Maybe we should also package it up and send off to the CSIRO lab for DNA and forensic testing and identification?
Has all your deliberations included rubbing the dried droppings between you thumb and finger? If you haven’t then the situation inside the house is purely an opinion.
moo = poo?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:So when Woodie said “I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.”…
what did that tell you?…
That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
You shouldn’t be looking for a reaction. You should be all over the facts. Nobody can argue with any of that.
Rb, you may have missed the point, but I am trying to inform you and anyone else here how to establish the fact. Currently, everyone is offering opinions, but not many facts, well do what I recommend and you will have at least one.
Mice droppings actually mean that mice put them there. They don’t really ever fall out of the ceiling in such quantities. Have you any fact otherwise than this?
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:So when Woodie said “I (and Mr Pest Man) have done everything to the moo other than have it on toast for breakfast.”…
what did that tell you?…
That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
OR SOME PLACE OUTSIDE the house. I don’t put any words into peoples mouths, there are far better exponents of that here than me.
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
Thank you Boris, you must stop doing this as people will begin to talk.
…… and Mr Free, I am fully aware of the wet v/s dry moo test. However, if you know your wet v/s dry moo test, aged mouse moo can also do the same. (crumble to dust).
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
there’s nearly 45 minutes between those 2 psts and no obvious evidence that the 2nd statement is only talking about the garage poo, Woodie mentioned both in posts in between
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
PermeateFree said:That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen, so yes that is a confirmation and could be used to determine the animals in the house. Why are you people carrying on with this. Simply do the test and find out. Christ it is not going to cost anything or take up much time, but Woodie has made his mind up that they are bats and who am I to suggest something else. Heard that logic elsewhere here too.
>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
there’s nearly 45 minutes between those 2 psts and no obvious evidence that the 2nd statement is only talking about the garage poo, Woodie mentioned both in posts in between
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:>>That was in his garage or some place outside the house where the bats could be seen,
please show where this is stated.
you are putting words in Woodie’s mouth.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
Thank you Boris, you must stop doing this as people will begin to talk.
You are also missing the points that the bats are nesting in both locations and that the pest man didn’t talk about meeces.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:You shouldn’t be looking for a reaction. You should be all over the facts. Nobody can argue with any of that.
Rb, you may have missed the point, but I am trying to inform you and anyone else here how to establish the fact. Currently, everyone is offering opinions, but not many facts, well do what I recommend and you will have at least one.
Mice droppings actually mean that mice put them there. They don’t really ever fall out of the ceiling in such quantities. Have you any fact otherwise than this?
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Rb, you may have missed the point, but I am trying to inform you and anyone else here how to establish the fact. Currently, everyone is offering opinions, but not many facts, well do what I recommend and you will have at least one.
Mice droppings actually mean that mice put them there. They don’t really ever fall out of the ceiling in such quantities. Have you any fact otherwise than this?
ate them all eh…
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:I think that rather depends on the construction of Woodies roof area. If he cannot get in to see what is going on, then possibly mice cannot get out, but I don’t think that is worth considering when the answer is simply rubbing some of their dropping between the fingers. Really it is absurd that all this correspondence is because the person concerned cannot bring themselves to conduct a simple test. What is the matter with you people?
Mr Free………….. I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast. What do you think that means? Maybe we should also package it up and send off to the CSIRO lab for DNA and forensic testing and identification?
Has all your deliberations included rubbing the dried droppings between you thumb and finger? If you haven’t then the situation inside the house is purely an opinion.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! “cut’n‘paste” I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast.
Woodie said:
…… and Mr Free, I am fully aware of the wet v/s dry moo test. However, if you know your wet v/s dry moo test, aged mouse moo can also do the same. (crumble to dust).
Yes dear, but by then, they are usually fossilised. Sounds like you and Car have been in conversation.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Rb, you may have missed the point, but I am trying to inform you and anyone else here how to establish the fact. Currently, everyone is offering opinions, but not many facts, well do what I recommend and you will have at least one.
Mice droppings actually mean that mice put them there. They don’t really ever fall out of the ceiling in such quantities. Have you any fact otherwise than this?
Look mate. You seem to think that nobody in Australia other than you has ever been though a mouse plague. Get over it. There is no mouse plague in this instance. It may not be bats, this is possible but all other evidence points to a healthy population of microbats.
Bubblecar said:
moo = poo?
In polite company, Parpyone, my mother referred to it as moo.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
moo = poo?
In polite company, Parpyone, my mother referred to it as moo.
Ah.
That must have been confusing at times :)
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/1183425/
Thank you Boris, you must stop doing this as people will begin to talk.
You are also missing the points that the bats are nesting in both locations and that the pest man didn’t talk about meeces.
They are also roosting under the house.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
moo = poo?
In polite company, Parpyone, my mother referred to it as moo.
Pleased to be considered as polite company. Thank you.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:Mr Free………….. I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast. What do you think that means? Maybe we should also package it up and send off to the CSIRO lab for DNA and forensic testing and identification?
Has all your deliberations included rubbing the dried droppings between you thumb and finger? If you haven’t then the situation inside the house is purely an opinion.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! “cut’n‘paste” I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast.
You are deliberately avoiding stating that you have conducted the test on your mouse and/or bat poo, simply because you have not! So why don’t you be a good boy and pick up a few droppings from your carpet and do the test, then when you have done so report back here. Okay?
Microbat poo (magnified):
http://www.pestoffsolutions.com.au/blog/micro-bats
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Thank you Boris, you must stop doing this as people will begin to talk.
You are also missing the points that the bats are nesting in both locations and that the pest man didn’t talk about meeces.
They are also roosting under the house.
The upside is that there shouldn’t be as many insects and moths and stuff at night to bother you as there would be otherwise. The bats are there because you have water and food and shelter. All you need to is make an effort to shift the shelter by locking yours out of the equation. theyu obviously have many places and there are many many of them. Lucky you in so many ways.
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:Has all your deliberations included rubbing the dried droppings between you thumb and finger? If you haven’t then the situation inside the house is purely an opinion.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! “cut’n‘paste” I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast.
You are deliberately avoiding stating that you have conducted the test on your mouse and/or bat poo, simply because you have not! So why don’t you be a good boy and pick up a few droppings from your carpet and do the test, then when you have done so report back here. Okay?
HTF do you know what I have and have not done? I’ve picked it off my socks, I’ve emptied the vacuum cleaner full of it, I’ve picked it out from between my toes when I’ve stepped on it. However, I’m yet to try lining up the dust on the coffee table and snorting it through a rolled up $100 bill. Would this satisfy you that it’s NOT mouse moo?
It has been piling up for more than a year now in the same spots. Those spots ONLY.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! “cut’n‘paste” I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast.
You are deliberately avoiding stating that you have conducted the test on your mouse and/or bat poo, simply because you have not! So why don’t you be a good boy and pick up a few droppings from your carpet and do the test, then when you have done so report back here. Okay?
HTF do you know what I have and have not done? I’ve picked it off my socks, I’ve emptied the vacuum cleaner full of it, I’ve picked it out from between my toes when I’ve stepped on it. However, I’m yet to try lining up the dust on the coffee table and snorting it through a rolled up $100 bill. Would this satisfy you that it’s NOT mouse moo?
It has been piling up for more than a year now in the same spots. Those spots ONLY.
This is where you should realise that their entry/exit point is adjacent to this point. They don’t have a lot of room up there.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You are also missing the points that the bats are nesting in both locations and that the pest man didn’t talk about meeces.
They are also roosting under the house.
The upside is that there shouldn’t be as many insects and moths and stuff at night to bother you as there would be otherwise. The bats are there because you have water and food and shelter. All you need to is make an effort to shift the shelter by locking yours out of the equation. theyu obviously have many places and there are many many of them. Lucky you in so many ways.
Anyway….. I’ve come home $100+ poorer from Bunnings tonight, with some flexible plastic tubing, and can of expanda foam to make some bat excluder tubes, where they can get out, but can’t get back in.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! “cut’n‘paste” I have said that I, and Mr Pest Man have done EVERYTHING to that moo, other than eat it on toast.
You are deliberately avoiding stating that you have conducted the test on your mouse and/or bat poo, simply because you have not! So why don’t you be a good boy and pick up a few droppings from your carpet and do the test, then when you have done so report back here. Okay?
HTF do you know what I have and have not done? I’ve picked it off my socks, I’ve emptied the vacuum cleaner full of it, I’ve picked it out from between my toes when I’ve stepped on it. However, I’m yet to try lining up the dust on the coffee table and snorting it through a rolled up $100 bill. Would this satisfy you that it’s NOT mouse moo?
It has been piling up for more than a year now in the same spots. Those spots ONLY.
But have you done the test? Bet not!
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:They are also roosting under the house.
The upside is that there shouldn’t be as many insects and moths and stuff at night to bother you as there would be otherwise. The bats are there because you have water and food and shelter. All you need to is make an effort to shift the shelter by locking yours out of the equation. theyu obviously have many places and there are many many of them. Lucky you in so many ways.
Anyway….. I’ve come home $100+ poorer from Bunnings tonight, with some flexible plastic tubing, and can of expanda foam to make some bat excluder tubes, where they can get out, but can’t get back in.
You’ll still need a flap on the end that lets them out but not back in. The type that sits on the septic tank vent pipe.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:They are also roosting under the house.
The upside is that there shouldn’t be as many insects and moths and stuff at night to bother you as there would be otherwise. The bats are there because you have water and food and shelter. All you need to is make an effort to shift the shelter by locking yours out of the equation. theyu obviously have many places and there are many many of them. Lucky you in so many ways.
Anyway….. I’ve come home $100+ poorer from Bunnings tonight, with some flexible plastic tubing, and can of expanda foam to make some bat excluder tubes, where they can get out, but can’t get back in.
Committed yourself financially too? No wonder you don’t want to do the test. It’s alright Woodie I understand, I was just trying g to be helpful.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:You are deliberately avoiding stating that you have conducted the test on your mouse and/or bat poo, simply because you have not! So why don’t you be a good boy and pick up a few droppings from your carpet and do the test, then when you have done so report back here. Okay?
HTF do you know what I have and have not done? I’ve picked it off my socks, I’ve emptied the vacuum cleaner full of it, I’ve picked it out from between my toes when I’ve stepped on it. However, I’m yet to try lining up the dust on the coffee table and snorting it through a rolled up $100 bill. Would this satisfy you that it’s NOT mouse moo?
It has been piling up for more than a year now in the same spots. Those spots ONLY.
This is where you should realise that their entry/exit point is adjacent to this point. They don’t have a lot of room up there.
That pile in the pic is smack bang in the middle of the house, on the landing at the top of the stairs, bout 2/3 the way up the gable angle. Nowhere near the edges. However, about 1 metre from the fireplace flue where it passes through the roof.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:HTF do you know what I have and have not done? I’ve picked it off my socks, I’ve emptied the vacuum cleaner full of it, I’ve picked it out from between my toes when I’ve stepped on it. However, I’m yet to try lining up the dust on the coffee table and snorting it through a rolled up $100 bill. Would this satisfy you that it’s NOT mouse moo?
It has been piling up for more than a year now in the same spots. Those spots ONLY.
This is where you should realise that their entry/exit point is adjacent to this point. They don’t have a lot of room up there.
That pile in the pic is smack bang in the middle of the house, on the landing at the top of the stairs, bout 2/3 the way up the gable angle. Nowhere near the edges. However, about 1 metre from the fireplace flue where it passes through the roof.
So, look near the flue.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:The upside is that there shouldn’t be as many insects and moths and stuff at night to bother you as there would be otherwise. The bats are there because you have water and food and shelter. All you need to is make an effort to shift the shelter by locking yours out of the equation. theyu obviously have many places and there are many many of them. Lucky you in so many ways.
Anyway….. I’ve come home $100+ poorer from Bunnings tonight, with some flexible plastic tubing, and can of expanda foam to make some bat excluder tubes, where they can get out, but can’t get back in.
You’ll still need a flap on the end that lets them out but not back in. The type that sits on the septic tank vent pipe.
Instructions I’ve read say you don’t need it. You point the flexible tubing downwards, and it’s too slippery for them to get any sort of footing on to climb back up the tube. Sorta like a slippery slide. Some solutions suggest a flap of shade cloth over the exit points, but I think they’ll be able to claw on the rough timber and under that. You place the tube about 5 cm inside the hole, and about 15 cm outside (bend it down), and surround it by expanda foam at the hole. The tubes end up being about the size of those gap filler tubes with the ends cut off. Some suggest even using old gap filler tubes, but thoroughly clean them first so the micro bats have nothing to cling on to trying to get back in. I don’t have any used gap filler tubes.
But i’ll need to take some time to “observe” where they’re getting in and out.
A couple of years ago I redid my ceiling in the lounge/kitchen area.
This evening, I happened to look up and saw that one panel had sagged. I called up my plasterer mate and told him. He said poke a hole in it to let the water out. I said but rain has never done this and it hasn’t been raining anyway. We concluded that it must have come from the aircon. The holes I poked only let down dust. Gottsa get up there inside anot out of the roof tomorra and have a look. While I’m up there I’ll be looking for where the meeces are getting in. They are only in the ceiling as yet but there is no mouse shit on the floor and they aren’t up there in that many numbers anyway.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Anyway….. I’ve come home $100+ poorer from Bunnings tonight, with some flexible plastic tubing, and can of expanda foam to make some bat excluder tubes, where they can get out, but can’t get back in.
You’ll still need a flap on the end that lets them out but not back in. The type that sits on the septic tank vent pipe.
Instructions I’ve read say you don’t need it. You point the flexible tubing downwards, and it’s too slippery for them to get any sort of footing on to climb back up the tube. Sorta like a slippery slide. Some solutions suggest a flap of shade cloth over the exit points, but I think they’ll be able to claw on the rough timber and under that. You place the tube about 5 cm inside the hole, and about 15 cm outside (bend it down), and surround it by expanda foam at the hole. The tubes end up being about the size of those gap filler tubes with the ends cut off. Some suggest even using old gap filler tubes, but thoroughly clean them first so the micro bats have nothing to cling on to trying to get back in. I don’t have any used gap filler tubes.
But i’ll need to take some time to “observe” where they’re getting in and out.
OK. Sounds like you are onto it. Good luck.
roughbarked said:
A couple of years ago I redid my ceiling in the lounge/kitchen area.
This evening, I happened to look up and saw that one panel had sagged. I called up my plasterer mate and told him. He said poke a hole in it to let the water out. I said but rain has never done this and it hasn’t been raining anyway. We concluded that it must have come from the aircon. The holes I poked only let down dust. Gottsa get up there inside anot out of the roof tomorra and have a look. While I’m up there I’ll be looking for where the meeces are getting in. They are only in the ceiling as yet but there is no mouse shit on the floor and they aren’t up there in that many numbers anyway.
The strange thing is that when he said “you need to know what is doing it. no point fixing the ceiling if it is going to happen again”. I said, short of a million meeces pissing in the same spot it has to be from the hot water or the aircon. This was before PF got right into squeezing poo between his fingers.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:This is where you should realise that their entry/exit point is adjacent to this point. They don’t have a lot of room up there.
That pile in the pic is smack bang in the middle of the house, on the landing at the top of the stairs, bout 2/3 the way up the gable angle. Nowhere near the edges. However, about 1 metre from the fireplace flue where it passes through the roof.
So, look near the flue.
The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:That pile in the pic is smack bang in the middle of the house, on the landing at the top of the stairs, bout 2/3 the way up the gable angle. Nowhere near the edges. However, about 1 metre from the fireplace flue where it passes through the roof.
So, look near the flue.
The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:You’ll still need a flap on the end that lets them out but not back in. The type that sits on the septic tank vent pipe.
Instructions I’ve read say you don’t need it. You point the flexible tubing downwards, and it’s too slippery for them to get any sort of footing on to climb back up the tube. Sorta like a slippery slide. Some solutions suggest a flap of shade cloth over the exit points, but I think they’ll be able to claw on the rough timber and under that. You place the tube about 5 cm inside the hole, and about 15 cm outside (bend it down), and surround it by expanda foam at the hole. The tubes end up being about the size of those gap filler tubes with the ends cut off. Some suggest even using old gap filler tubes, but thoroughly clean them first so the micro bats have nothing to cling on to trying to get back in. I don’t have any used gap filler tubes.
But i’ll need to take some time to “observe” where they’re getting in and out.
OK. Sounds like you are onto it. Good luck.
This sorta thing
I work full time and a 12 hr work day (with commute) so don’t have much bat time to go sitting around staring at stuff.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:So, look near the flue.
The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
This will be restricted to between the roof bearers that lead to the place the shit falls from.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:So, look near the flue.
The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
If Woodie says it is not, then you can be assured that it is not!
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
If Woodie says it is not, then you can be assured that it is not!
but he didn’t say that.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:Instructions I’ve read say you don’t need it. You point the flexible tubing downwards, and it’s too slippery for them to get any sort of footing on to climb back up the tube. Sorta like a slippery slide. Some solutions suggest a flap of shade cloth over the exit points, but I think they’ll be able to claw on the rough timber and under that. You place the tube about 5 cm inside the hole, and about 15 cm outside (bend it down), and surround it by expanda foam at the hole. The tubes end up being about the size of those gap filler tubes with the ends cut off. Some suggest even using old gap filler tubes, but thoroughly clean them first so the micro bats have nothing to cling on to trying to get back in. I don’t have any used gap filler tubes.
But i’ll need to take some time to “observe” where they’re getting in and out.
OK. Sounds like you are onto it. Good luck.
This sorta thing
I work full time and a 12 hr work day (with commute) so don’t have much bat time to go sitting around staring at stuff.
What if the bats have young that can’t fly? But I am sure you can handle the smell.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:The pest man did. as well and the antenna man when up there on Wednesday. No holes or entry/exit points there. They do not stampede crossway in the roof, it’s up and down in line with the roof beams, rather oddly, not where the moo pile is. As previously mentioned, I’ve examined the ceiling above the pile and cannot find any gap/whole/slit big enough where the moo could be falling through. My eyesight is not the best, so perhaps there is something, that I can’t determine.
Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
As mentioned, the ceiling (and walls for that matter) are all timber. Natural timber, (stained not painted) and does have some knots in it, so there may be teeeeeeensie holes in the knot dents in the timber which is why heaps of it is falling through. Just plugging any teensie holes where moo is falling through, ain’t gunna get them outa the roof.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
As mentioned, the ceiling (and walls for that matter) are all timber. Natural timber, (stained not painted) and does have some knots in it, so there may be teeeeeeensie holes in the knot dents in the timber which is why heaps of it is falling through. Just plugging any teensie holes where moo is falling through, ain’t gunna get them outa the roof.
Do you think mice could squeeze through the gaps?
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Perhaps your eyes need a ladder to get closer. The fact is, it is falling through.
Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
As mentioned, the ceiling (and walls for that matter) are all timber. Natural timber, (stained not painted) and does have some knots in it, so there may be teeeeeeensie holes in the knot dents in the timber which is why heaps of it is falling through. Just plugging any teensie holes where moo is falling through, ain’t gunna get them outa the roof.
To be fair, I have said that.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:Stopping it falling in is a simple panel repair. Stopping them getting in to shit there is as simple, though you do need to isolate an entry/exit point.
As mentioned, the ceiling (and walls for that matter) are all timber. Natural timber, (stained not painted) and does have some knots in it, so there may be teeeeeeensie holes in the knot dents in the timber which is why heaps of it is falling through. Just plugging any teensie holes where moo is falling through, ain’t gunna get them outa the roof.
To be fair, I have said that.
refs?
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
On one of the white floor panels.
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
Still technically, a panel repair.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:As mentioned, the ceiling (and walls for that matter) are all timber. Natural timber, (stained not painted) and does have some knots in it, so there may be teeeeeeensie holes in the knot dents in the timber which is why heaps of it is falling through. Just plugging any teensie holes where moo is falling through, ain’t gunna get them outa the roof.
To be fair, I have said that.
refs?
All my posts?
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
On one of the white floor panels.
Where the timber meets the ceiling?
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:To be fair, I have said that.
refs?
All my posts?
Ahhhh, of course.
Funny the show, “The Office” is on ABC comedy and they are talking about bat poo raining from the ceiling.
roughbarked said:
Funny the show, “The Office” is on ABC comedy and they are talking about bat poo raining from the ceiling.
I don’t trust the ABC either.
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
I’ve said, Mr Free, the pics is of moo on the carpet was taken on the landing at the top of the stairs.
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
I’ve said, Mr Free, the pics is of moo on the carpet was taken on the landing at the top of the stairs.
So whereabouts (assuming a lower level) would that be?
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:
Woodie said:
A reminder of the ceiling. Check the other pics for the wall material as well. Not really a mater of “panel repair”. May a teensie squirt of gap filler in any knot hole above the pile, maybe.
So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
I’ve said, Mr Free, the pics is of moo on the carpet was taken on the landing at the top of the stairs.
…. and to be more specific, on the floor at the brightly lit area at the top of the stairs. (not that bright, just the camera makes it look so)
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
PermeateFree said:So where exactly where in that photo is where the problem occurring?
I’ve said, Mr Free, the pics is of moo on the carpet was taken on the landing at the top of the stairs.
…. and to be more specific, on the floor at the brightly lit area at the top of the stairs. (not that bright, just the camera makes it look so)
So you are referring to the area behind those steep sloping timber panels?
Have you thought about moving woodie?
sarahs mum said:
Have you thought about moving woodie?
Seems in the circumstances to be the logical thing to do.
sarahs mum said:
Have you thought about moving woodie?
A round of applause for the best post of the day!
OK.
Moo and flue outside my bedroom door.
Straight UP at ceiling from pile of moo
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
An ceiling above doors that moo is in front of.
Woodie said:
OK.Moo and flue outside my bedroom door.
Straight UP at ceiling from pile of moo
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
An ceiling above doors that moo is in front of.
I really would be asking the person who built this house.
roughbarked said:
I really would be asking the person who built this house.
Asking them what?
Woodie said:
OK.Moo and flue outside my bedroom door.
Straight UP at ceiling from pile of moo
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
An ceiling above doors that moo is in front of.
I would imagine that any animals behind that steep roof, their droppings would gravitate to the bottom, presumably outside your bedroom door. If that is the case the steep roof panels would favour bats, but mice could still use it to reach a more horizontal level.
Just because there are black circles (knots) in the timber ceiling pic, doesn’t mean they are see-thru. they’re not.
Woodie said:
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
You have the same mesh sleeving for your stovepipe as this house.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
You have the same mesh sleeving for your stovepipe as this house.
I also have this sleeving.
sarahs mum said:
I also have this sleeving.
Might be the only kind available :)
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
You have the same mesh sleeving for your stovepipe as this house.
Makes upstairs snuggly cosy in winter, Parpyone. :)
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Perspective DOWN the stairs, flue and moo.
You have the same mesh sleeving for your stovepipe as this house.
I also have this sleeving.
Compulsory/building reg on all exposed flues like that.
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Oh….. and see over into the single storey bit, they’re NOT in that roof.
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Much like the one here. Haven’t had call to use it yet.
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Oh….. and see over into the single storey bit, they’re NOT in that roof.
It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
Bubblecar said:
It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
…and the piles of moo.
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Much like the one here. Haven’t had call to use it yet.
Keep a look out for a trailer or so of firewood mr car. even green wood bought now would be right for june. You might find that 3 pieces of wood takes the chill off the house. It does in my well insulated house except for the worst of days.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
…and the piles of moo.
It’s my cosy country comfort cottage, Parpyone. :)
sarahs mum said:
Keep a look out for a trailer or so of firewood mr car. even green wood bought now would be right for june. You might find that 3 pieces of wood takes the chill off the house. It does in my well insulated house except for the worst of days.
Might seem a good idea but this lease expires before June, and I have no guarantee it’ll be renewed.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Keep a look out for a trailer or so of firewood mr car. even green wood bought now would be right for june. You might find that 3 pieces of wood takes the chill off the house. It does in my well insulated house except for the worst of days.
Might seem a good idea but this lease expires before June, and I have no guarantee it’ll be renewed.
I forgot.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Much like the one here. Haven’t had call to use it yet.
Keep a look out for a trailer or so of firewood mr car. even green wood bought now would be right for june. You might find that 3 pieces of wood takes the chill off the house. It does in my well insulated house except for the worst of days.
Mines takes a clear felled forest and shovel fulls like a steam train just to crank it up. The place ain’t that heater friendly. Rather cavernous as you can see.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Much like the one here. Haven’t had call to use it yet.
Keep a look out for a trailer or so of firewood mr car. even green wood bought now would be right for june. You might find that 3 pieces of wood takes the chill off the house. It does in my well insulated house except for the worst of days.
Mines takes a clear felled forest and shovel fulls like a steam train just to crank it up. The place ain’t that heater friendly. Rather cavernous as you can see.
It is a nice sized box. I only have a small wood heater and a small house. And I invested heavily in insulation.
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Oh….. and see over into the single storey bit, they’re NOT in that roof.
Probably a crappy view.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
I absolutely am in full agreement with the above and have said it many times. It is wasted on arguing some unknown point because it is actually known by the people PF thinks don’t.
I have almost gone as far to say, “listen PF, I’ll help you with writing the book”.
I’m pretty sure PF has been published in peer reviewed journals, albeit some years ago.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:I really would be asking the person who built this house.
Asking them what?
why they left gaps.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
I absolutely am in full agreement with the above and have said it many times. It is wasted on arguing some unknown point because it is actually known by the people PF thinks don’t.
I have almost gone as far to say, “listen PF, I’ll help you with writing the book”.
I’m pretty sure PF has been published in peer reviewed journals, albeit some years ago.
Yes.
Bubblecar said:
Yes, yes it is a beautiful house in a lovely sandstone-rimmed valley, with a gorgeous sandstone escarpment behind it, and amazing gardens that Woodie has cultivated, and the biggest native fig tree you’ve ever seen in the back yard, protecting staghorns, elkhorns, birds nest ferns and other fantastic epiphytes. With sandstone steps up to this fantastic “wedding chapel”. And wide verandahs to cover ones self when the weather is either sunny or raining. And sip coffee or tea or G+Ts or wine or daiquiris or whatever your fancy may be. And being on several acres, the neighbours are not close enough to impinge…
Woodie said:
Woodie said:
Cosy snug bits maker downstairs, Parpyone. :)
Oh….. and see over into the single storey bit, they’re NOT in that roof.
It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
Yes, it is a wonderful place.
:)
:)
:)
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Yes, yes it is a beautiful house in a lovely sandstone-rimmed valley, with a gorgeous sandstone escarpment behind it, and amazing gardens that Woodie has cultivated, and the biggest native fig tree you’ve ever seen in the back yard, protecting staghorns, elkhorns, birds nest ferns and other fantastic epiphytes. With sandstone steps up to this fantastic “wedding chapel”. And wide verandahs to cover ones self when the weather is either sunny or raining. And sip coffee or tea or G+Ts or wine or daiquiris or whatever your fancy may be. And being on several acres, the neighbours are not close enough to impinge…
Woodie said:Oh….. and see over into the single storey bit, they’re NOT in that roof.
It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
Yes, it is a wonderful place.
:)
:)
:)
Sounds like bliss. I’d love some rain, a wide verandah and a G&T, thanks :)
kii said:
If you can get here (RB) by the evening you could have the lot!
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Yes, yes it is a beautiful house in a lovely sandstone-rimmed valley, with a gorgeous sandstone escarpment behind it, and amazing gardens that Woodie has cultivated, and the biggest native fig tree you’ve ever seen in the back yard, protecting staghorns, elkhorns, birds nest ferns and other fantastic epiphytes. With sandstone steps up to this fantastic “wedding chapel”. And wide verandahs to cover ones self when the weather is either sunny or raining. And sip coffee or tea or G+Ts or wine or daiquiris or whatever your fancy may be. And being on several acres, the neighbours are not close enough to impinge…It’s a nice place, I can see why you’re not wanting to part with it, despite the commute.
Yes, it is a wonderful place.
:)
:)
:)
Sounds like bliss. I’d love some rain, a wide verandah and a G&T, thanks :)
;)
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:chocolate mousse
there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
Ogmog said:
PermeateFree said:
Bogsnorkler said:there’s a loose moose aboot the hoose.
Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
HOW-TO: Professional testing for Mouse Droppings
Amusing as the above is, bat and mouse dropping differ due to the things they eat. Bats being insectivorous, consume them in large numbers and each insect has a hard exoskeleton that is passed through the gut to be formed into non binding droppings. If you have ever seen fox droppings at the end of summer when live prey is scarce they eat considerable numbers of insects, which makes their droppings fall apart as there is little to bind them together. Mice have a more varied diet that usually includes vegetation, the fibres in these foods mat together in the gut to produce droppings that remain together and will not crumble to anywhere near the same degree as the insect droppings. So bat dropping will crumble easily between thumb and fingers, whereas the mice droppings do not and remain largely intact.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
that’s not very scientific of you. All the science types I know are more than happy to share their knowledge, not for ‘fame’ (because science and fame hahahaha) but because they believe in the process and know that knowledge can be build upon.
It might be a laboured joke, from sheer exhaustion woodie checks that the poo is from bats and PM leaps out Nelson style and shouts “haha you touched poo”.
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PF you should really use you knowledge for good. I have prompted you before to write something a book a paper, something with your knowledge of wildlife… you have brushed it off with a ‘but no one will listen.” but people will listen if you do it in an academic manner.You have real world knowledge, all you need is to show it and pass peer review and the rest of us can benefit.
I’m not being facetious or teasing or anything… you need to get your knowledge out there in some medium.
Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
that’s not very scientific of you. All the science types I know are more than happy to share their knowledge, not for ‘fame’ (because science and fame hahahaha) but because they believe in the process and know that knowledge can be build upon.
Don’t think you know scientists very well. Egos are very common and very large.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:Well if the reaction here it typical, I cannot imagine how anyone would get the motivation to do anything of the sort and those that do, probably have other reasons like fame to push them along. I have all the fame I need for one life and don’t need more.
that’s not very scientific of you. All the science types I know are more than happy to share their knowledge, not for ‘fame’ (because science and fame hahahaha) but because they believe in the process and know that knowledge can be build upon.
Don’t think you know scientists very well. Egos are very common and very large.
I know many of them, but I’m not going to argue with you. I suppose birds of a feather and all that. I’ll look forward to reading your published paper.. and if you already have one, as Buffy suspects, can I please read it?
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:that’s not very scientific of you. All the science types I know are more than happy to share their knowledge, not for ‘fame’ (because science and fame hahahaha) but because they believe in the process and know that knowledge can be build upon.
Don’t think you know scientists very well. Egos are very common and very large.
I know many of them, but I’m not going to argue with you. I suppose birds of a feather and all that. I’ll look forward to reading your published paper.. and if you already have one, as Buffy suspects, can I please read it?
Young scientists cannot afford big egos too early in their career and so are very careful, but everyone of them would like to discovery something new and to be known for it. You say write a book about what I know about nature, if you thought about it, it is a silly thing to say. Just what part of nature would you have me write, perhaps nature tips or something. I do have individual expertise in a couple of areas, one of which has now been very well documented to my satisfaction relating to the importance of fire management in the Australian Environment. Unfortunately I had medical problems at the time and things passed me by. The other one I have absolutely no motivation to do anything about it.
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
that was the whole point of SSSF. and never saw any of the experts unwilling to explain things.
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Perhaps you should remind yourself of just how large and encompassing nature is.
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
that was the whole point of SSSF. and never saw any of the experts unwilling to explain things.
You cannot just explain nature? If you find out please let me know. And I do explain things of which I have some expertise here, despite all the cat calling.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Perhaps you should remind yourself of just how large and encompassing nature is.
Eh? That response doesn’t follow.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Perhaps you should remind yourself of just how large and encompassing nature is.
well, obviously you should narrow it down.. I’m going to assume that I know what you know, I’m just trying to encourage the first step, the rest has to be you narrowing it down to your area/s
like a lecturer will give an assignment and then we, as the author, will pick the topic.
AwesomeO said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Perhaps you should remind yourself of just how large and encompassing nature is.
Eh? That response doesn’t follow.
It does if you read the last few posts between Arts and myself.
Apt thread title
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
Perhaps you should remind yourself of just how large and encompassing nature is.
well, obviously you should narrow it down.. I’m going to assume that I know what you know, I’m just trying to encourage the first step, the rest has to be you narrowing it down to your area/s
like a lecturer will give an assignment and then we, as the author, will pick the topic.
Arts you have no idea of what I know, as I have no knowledge of what you know, but going on the experience levels of us both, I would assume you would be somewhere behind. Although no doubt, we both would have specific expertise far exceeding the other. Anyway, I have no interest or need to pass on information in the form you suggest and if you have tried to do so, you would know the amount of work and heartbreaks involved in doing so..
dv said:
Apt thread title
You are an arrogant prick dv and one with a gigantic ego.
PermeateFree said:
Anyway, I have no interest or need to pass on information in the form you suggest
ok.
Jolly good. Seriously, though, why do you come here? You hate everyone here, you hate all the scientific rigour and logic and referencing. Why not go somewhere people don’t get called out for sprouting shit?
I’m sure we’d all be happy to find you a new home upstate.
dv said:
Jolly good. Seriously, though, why do you come here? You hate everyone here, you hate all the scientific rigour and logic and referencing. Why not go somewhere people don’t get called out for sprouting shit?I’m sure we’d all be happy to find you a new home upstate.
Your usual assumptions dv, which of course you would consider to be fact. Ha, ha, ha!
I only dislike some here dv, those that are so devious as to distort facts, or only provide half the truth, just so they can win a debating point. Sorry, but these people know nothing about science or its aims and I have little time for them.
You say I hate all the scientific rigour and logic and referencing, what a joke, if anyone offers an alternate opinion other than you and your mates have concluded they are set upon and ridiculed. Dv, you don’t know the first thing about what you mentioned above, plus you plagiarise continuously giving the impression they are your thoughts. Dv it is you and your little mates who are the disgrace here, but you can’t see it because you are so hypocritical and captivated by your own voices.
Is Omega4 still running?
dv said:
Is Omega4 still running?
don’t think so.
How about this mob? They seem open minded
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/forumdisplay.php?108-Fringe-Science
dv said:
How about this mob? They seem open mindedhttp://forum.alchemyforums.com/forumdisplay.php?108-Fringe-Science
Strange how you know of these places dv, you must inside knowledge.
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
that was the whole point of SSSF. and never saw any of the experts unwilling to explain things.
I kept things close to my chest.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Arts said:
I don’t think it’s silly to encourage people to share knowledge.
that was the whole point of SSSF. and never saw any of the experts unwilling to explain things.
I kept things close to my chest.
and the forum was poorer for it.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:that was the whole point of SSSF. and never saw any of the experts unwilling to explain things.
I kept things close to my chest.
and the forum was poorer for it.
Just to straighten the twisted inference. Writing a book is very different than posting in here. It has nothing to do with what Boris inferred about not providing information here. This is how science is twisted.
I counted 23 last night. Although the nature of the angles from the ground, over the verandah to under the eaves was not good to make an exact determination of exit points.
Besides, the basic nature of dusk, is that it’s dark, and the basic nature of bats is they are dark, and the basic nature of holes, is they are dark. So if everything is dark, how are you supposed to see ‘em?
Woodie said:
I counted 23 last night. Although the nature of the angles from the ground, over the verandah to under the eaves was not good to make an exact determination of exit points.Besides, the basic nature of dusk, is that it’s dark, and the basic nature of bats is they are dark, and the basic nature of holes, is they are dark. So if everything is dark, how are you supposed to see ‘em?
Infra red according to Attenborough. That’s probably cheap these days as well.
It may be that you just have to get yourself a big ladder and that foam sealer and doing a bit each day work your way around the house. If you are concerned about locking them in, maybe do only every second currugation and work your way around twice.
I dont think it’s going to be an easy or quick fix but it is relatively cheap and I can’t seem too many other options.
Woodie said:
I counted 23 last night. Although the nature of the angles from the ground, over the verandah to under the eaves was not good to make an exact determination of exit points.Besides, the basic nature of dusk, is that it’s dark, and the basic nature of bats is they are dark, and the basic nature of holes, is they are dark. So if everything is dark, how are you supposed to see ‘em?
shine a light on
Shine a light on me
(Woah) shine a light on
Shine a light on me
‘Cause no bats can i see…
Bogsnorkler said:
Woodie said:
I counted 23 last night. Although the nature of the angles from the ground, over the verandah to under the eaves was not good to make an exact determination of exit points.Besides, the basic nature of dusk, is that it’s dark, and the basic nature of bats is they are dark, and the basic nature of holes, is they are dark. So if everything is dark, how are you supposed to see ‘em?
shine a light on
Shine a light on me
(Woah) shine a light on
Shine a light on me
‘Cause no bats can i see…
I think Woodie’s house needs an exorcism. It’s your turn, Boris. I’m stuck in the land of idiocy.
PermeateFree said:
Ogmog said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting that nobody here is interested in testing the contention that they are bat droppings. Not very scientific from those who profess to have a deep interest in it. Also curiosity is a sign of intelligence, or so they say.
HOW-TO: Professional testing for Mouse Droppings
Amusing as the above is, bat and mouse dropping differ due to the things they eat. Bats being insectivorous, consume them in large numbers and each insect has a hard exoskeleton that is passed through the gut to be formed into non binding droppings. If you have ever seen fox droppings at the end of summer when live prey is scarce they eat considerable numbers of insects, which makes their droppings fall apart as there is little to bind them together. Mice have a more varied diet that usually includes vegetation, the fibres in these foods mat together in the gut to produce droppings that remain together and will not crumble to anywhere near the same degree as the insect droppings. So bat dropping will crumble easily between thumb and fingers, whereas the mice droppings do not and remain largely intact.
My link was just a bit ‘o’ fun Mouse Hunt is a hilarious movie.
BTW, the other dif is that MICE are WAAAAAAY more challenging
to deal with than are Bats. (Micro or otherwise)
After a few months of scampering, chewed boxes & cupboard turds,
changing lights, constructing various traps to trap, or ultimately KILL
the lil’ rat, RB stepped in and sent me a link that worked in one nite.
(as usual) made a sensible
Ogmog said:
After a few months of scampering, chewed boxes & cupboard turds,
changing lights, constructing various traps to trap, or ultimately KILL
the lil’ rat, RB stepped in and (as usual) made a sensible suggestion,
he sent me a link to a product that worked in one nite.
