Sounds like this is the future.

Traditional notions of energy storage technologies are rapidly changing.
One of the latest products to grace the battery storage market are supercapitators.
Similar in cost and size, yet with four times the life expectancy of traditional batteries and fully recyclable at there end of life, the technology is now on sale for domestic consumers.

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/mornings/supercapicator/9522998

• One of the latest products to grace the battery storage market are supercapitators

I looked at them yesterday after the picture of the fancy car with them in the wheels was posted. Articles I found said they weren’t up to the task yet as they couldn’t hold a lot of power compared to a battery…

furious said:

• One of the latest products to grace the battery storage market are supercapitators

I looked at them yesterday after the picture of the fancy car with them in the wheels was posted. Articles I found said they weren’t up to the task yet as they couldn’t hold a lot of power compared to a battery…

WTF is a capitator

transition said:

furious said:

• One of the latest products to grace the battery storage market are supercapitators

I looked at them yesterday after the picture of the fancy car with them in the wheels was posted. Articles I found said they weren’t up to the task yet as they couldn’t hold a lot of power compared to a battery…

WTF is a capitator

or a capicator

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transition said:

transition said:

furious said:

• One of the latest products to grace the battery storage market are supercapitators

I looked at them yesterday after the picture of the fancy car with them in the wheels was posted. Articles I found said they weren’t up to the task yet as they couldn’t hold a lot of power compared to a battery…

WTF is a capitator

or a capicator

Does a capitatorpillar turn into a batteryfly

Cymek said:

transition said:

transition said:

WTF is a capitator

or a capicator

Does a capitatorpillar turn into a batteryfly

jeeez i’m feeling dyslexic, with vertigo

Could a solar panel covered car produce enough energy to fill up super capacitors?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Could a solar panel covered car produce enough energy to fill up super capacitors?

Ideally a solar powered car that charges super capacitors, but would need top up on cloudy days at a servo.

how many farads before a capacitor becomes a super capacitor, I wonder.

and is a super capacitor still a capacitor, and can I call it a capacitor, without it taking offense, like an assault on its status?

transition said:

how many farads before a capacitor becomes a super capacitor, I wonder.

and is a super capacitor still a capacitor, and can I call it a capacitor, without it taking offense, like an assault on its status?

a super capacitor is just a capacitor with it’s jocks on the outside of it’s pants…

Supercapacitor

A supercapacitor (SC) (also electric double-layer capacitor (EDLC), also called supercap, ultracapacitor or Goldcap) is a high-capacity capacitor with capacitance values much higher than other capacitors (but lower voltage limits) that bridge the gap between electrolytic capacitors and rechargeable batteries. They typically store 10 to 100 times more energy per unit volume or mass than electrolytic capacitors, can accept and deliver charge much faster than batteries, and tolerate many more charge and discharge cycles than rechargeable batteries.

Supercapacitors are used in applications requiring many rapid charge/discharge cycles rather than long term compact energy storage: within cars, buses, trains, cranes and elevators, where they are used for regenerative braking, short-term energy storage or burst-mode power delivery. Smaller units are used as memory backup for static random-access memory (SRAM).

Unlike ordinary capacitors, supercapacitors do not use the conventional solid dielectric, but rather, they use electrostatic double-layer capacitance and electrochemical pseudocapacitance, both of which contribute to the total capacitance of the capacitor, with a few differences:

more…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

transition said:

how many farads before a capacitor becomes a super capacitor, I wonder.

and is a super capacitor still a capacitor, and can I call it a capacitor, without it taking offense, like an assault on its status?

a super capacitor is just a capacitor with it’s jocks on the outside of it’s pants…

;) there ya go, learning curve today.

>Goldcap

yeah I use goldcaps before, on pcbs running cmos counters etc

and reckon japanese had big capacitors on utility power supplies for long time, or way back, size of big tanks

transition said:

>Goldcap

yeah I use goldcaps before, on pcbs running cmos counters etc

and reckon japanese had big capacitors on utility power supplies for long time, or way back, size of big tanks

Those capacitors on utilities are not super capacitors and are not used for energy storage. Will be used for power factor correction and perhaps to mitigate Ferranti effects.

sibeen said:

transition said:

>Goldcap

yeah I use goldcaps before, on pcbs running cmos counters etc

and reckon japanese had big capacitors on utility power supplies for long time, or way back, size of big tanks

Those capacitors on utilities are not super capacitors and are not used for energy storage. Will be used for power factor correction and perhaps to mitigate Ferranti effects.

right, had a vague recollection, possibly from a story in NS, dunno could be twenty years ago, japanese were maybe going to trial something, I may remember a picture of huge tanks, anyway from what I recall was something to do with load peaks.

transition said:

how many farads before a capacitor becomes a super capacitor, I wonder.

and is a super capacitor still a capacitor, and can I call it a capacitor, without it taking offense, like an assault on its status?

I like those questions. A supercapacitor can be as low as 0.4 farads, if not less. An electrolytic capacitor can be as large as 2.7 farads (not more, according to wikipedia). The difference is energy density, a supercapacitor carries about seven times the volts per unit distance of an electrolytic capacitor.

A supercapacitor is still a capacitor, but I don’t know if it’s so snooty that it takes offense at the term. It could even be that an ultracapacitor takes offense at being called a supercap.

You wouldn’t run an electric car off a supercapacitor alone because it goes flat very fast, like 1.8 seconds. I really don’t want an electric car that runs out of power that fast.

Just checking up how snooty the supercapacitors really are.

The “lithium-ion capacitor” goes by the nomen “capacitor” even though it is a type of “supercapacitor”.

A “double layer capacitor” is also a type of “supercapacitor” as is a “pseudocapacitor”.

So perhaps the inclusion of “super-” is more an aid to the electronics buyer.

mollwollfumble said:

Just checking up how snooty the supercapacitors really are.

The “lithium-ion capacitor” goes by the nomen “capacitor” even though it is a type of “supercapacitor”.

A “double layer capacitor” is also a type of “supercapacitor” as is a “pseudocapacitor”.

So perhaps the inclusion of “super-” is more an aid to the electronics buyer.

They call these batteries but in fact they are capacitors.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checking up how snooty the supercapacitors really are.

The “lithium-ion capacitor” goes by the nomen “capacitor” even though it is a type of “supercapacitor”.

A “double layer capacitor” is also a type of “supercapacitor” as is a “pseudocapacitor”.

So perhaps the inclusion of “super-” is more an aid to the electronics buyer.

They call these batteries but in fact they are capacitors.

no, they are batteries. and yes i did see they called them capacitors. but they aren’t.

Most supercapacitors sell for a few dollars but this one at a cost of over $2,200 looks a bit different. 166 farads at 48.6 volts. Ebay doesn’t have any supercapacitor that costs more than $7.

https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1351073/

Cute 8-minute French cartoon from earlier in the century. Scene opens with Boris who is ultimately the hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbFhATUfuow

That was for chat, ignore me or give me a bee-sting pinch.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Just checking up how snooty the supercapacitors really are.

The “lithium-ion capacitor” goes by the nomen “capacitor” even though it is a type of “supercapacitor”.

A “double layer capacitor” is also a type of “supercapacitor” as is a “pseudocapacitor”.

So perhaps the inclusion of “super-” is more an aid to the electronics buyer.

They call these batteries but in fact they are capacitors.

no, they are batteries. and yes i did see they called them capacitors. but they aren’t.

These are…

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/edlc

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

They call these batteries but in fact they are capacitors.

no, they are batteries. and yes i did see they called them capacitors. but they aren’t.

These are…

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/edlc

These are the ones I meant to point at.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

no, they are batteries. and yes i did see they called them capacitors. but they aren’t.

These are…

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/edlc

These are the ones I meant to point at.

looks like a battery.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

These are…

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/capacitors/edlc

These are the ones I meant to point at.

looks like a battery.

It does apart from the fact that they all have an extended cntact on the negative pole.
That many have similar prefixes such as MT.. led me to post a link in error.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

These are the ones I meant to point at.

looks like a battery.

It does apart from the fact that they all have an extended cntact on the negative pole.
That many have similar prefixes such as MT.. led me to post a link in error.

an extended contact don’t mean much. and link to the page that image came from would be handy.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

looks like a battery.

It does apart from the fact that they all have an extended cntact on the negative pole.
That many have similar prefixes such as MT.. led me to post a link in error.

an extended contact don’t mean much. and link to the page that image came from would be handy.

it is from MV’s link. these are

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

It does apart from the fact that they all have an extended cntact on the negative pole.
That many have similar prefixes such as MT.. led me to post a link in error.

an extended contact don’t mean much. and link to the page that image came from would be handy.

it is from MV’s link. these are

and the extended contact, within the timespace frame of a watch movement means far more than it seems.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

an extended contact don’t mean much. and link to the page that image came from would be handy.

it is from MV’s link. these are

and the extended contact, within the timespace frame of a watch movement means far more than it seems.

It also allows Citizen and Seiko to say, you never need to change a battery again.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

it is from MV’s link. these are

and the extended contact, within the timespace frame of a watch movement means far more than it seems.

It also allows Citizen and Seiko to say, you never need to change a battery again.

That they don’t say, your capacitor has a lifetime garauntee, is also moot.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

and the extended contact, within the timespace frame of a watch movement means far more than it seems.

It also allows Citizen and Seiko to say, you never need to change a battery again.

That they don’t say, your capacitor has a lifetime garauntee, is also moot.

oops… ua.. he he.

Peak Warming Man said:

Similar in cost

No.

Li-ion batteries run at around $1000 per kWh. Vanadium redox is about $600 per kWh. Supercapacitors are about $10000 per kWh.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Similar in cost

No.

Li-ion batteries run at around $1000 per kWh. Vanadium redox is about $600 per kWh. Supercapacitors are about $10000 per kWh.

Which isn’t really comparing apples to apples. How many cycles does each one get?

sibeen said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Similar in cost

No.

Li-ion batteries run at around $1000 per kWh. Vanadium redox is about $600 per kWh. Supercapacitors are about $10000 per kWh.

Which isn’t really comparing apples to apples. How many cycles does each one get?

As in the difference between IQ and aptitude. it all relates to the particular desirable application.

sibeen said:

Which isn’t really comparing apples to apples. How many cycles does each one get?

Fair rejoinder but starting costs are not unimportant.