’World’s largest’ solar and wind hydrogen plant proposed for regional SA

A new solar and wind hydrogen plant, which has been dubbed the largest in the world, has been proposed for Crystal Brook in South Australia’s Mid North.

The Labor Government has committed $25 million in grants and loans to renewable energy company, Neoen, to finalise plans and — pending development approvals — commence construction of a Hydrogen Superhub.

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“The Crystal Brook facility will produce up to 400 megawatts of solar and wind power each day, “

But that’s only 4.6 kW/s, which doesn’t seem very much.

OTOH, its 146 GW/year, which is huge, so I just don’t know how big or small it is really.

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The Crystal Brook facility will produce up to 400 megawatts of solar and wind power each day, “

But that’s only 4.6 kW/s, which doesn’t seem very much.

OTOH, its 146 GW/year, which is huge, so I just don’t know how big or small it is really.

Crystal Brook is a rather small place.
It’s only 50km down the road from Musk’s battery though so maybe it’s to charge that up?

Stumpy_seahorse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The Crystal Brook facility will produce up to 400 megawatts of solar and wind power each day, “

But that’s only 4.6 kW/s, which doesn’t seem very much.

OTOH, its 146 GW/year, which is huge, so I just don’t know how big or small it is really.

Crystal Brook is a rather small place.
It’s only 50km down the road from Musk’s battery though so maybe it’s to charge that up?

makes sense.

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The Crystal Brook facility will produce up to 400 megawatts of solar and wind power each day, “

But that’s only 4.6 kW/s, which doesn’t seem very much.

OTOH, its 146 GW/year, which is huge, so I just don’t know how big or small it is really.

Crystal Brook is a rather small place.
It’s only 50km down the road from Musk’s battery though so maybe it’s to charge that up?

makes sense.

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

Crystal Brook is a rather small place.
It’s only 50km down the road from Musk’s battery though so maybe it’s to charge that up?

makes sense.

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

Makes sense to have a recharge point close to a rapid discharge battery.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

Crystal Brook is a rather small place.
It’s only 50km down the road from Musk’s battery though so maybe it’s to charge that up?

makes sense.

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

arent they taking a constant draw from it?
admittedly I think it’s Hornsdale wind farm that’s topping it up, but they could increase the amount drawn out if they can increase the power going in

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

makes sense.

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

Makes sense to have a recharge point close to a rapid discharge battery.

yes, the windfarm that is right next door.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

makes sense.

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

arent they taking a constant draw from it?
admittedly I think it’s Hornsdale wind farm that’s topping it up, but they could increase the amount drawn out if they can increase the power going in

i don’t believe so because that isn’t really what it is for.

JudgeMental said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

JudgeMental said:

yeah, nah. tesla is 100 MW capacity and doesn’t really need charging every day. a bit might go to it purely via the grid

arent they taking a constant draw from it?
admittedly I think it’s Hornsdale wind farm that’s topping it up, but they could increase the amount drawn out if they can increase the power going in

i don’t believe so because that isn’t really what it is for.

the literature we got reckons part of it’s use was to ‘smooth out’ the power going into the grid from the wind farms?
another furphy?

Stumpy_seahorse said:

JudgeMental said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

arent they taking a constant draw from it?
admittedly I think it’s Hornsdale wind farm that’s topping it up, but they could increase the amount drawn out if they can increase the power going in

i don’t believe so because that isn’t really what it is for.

the literature we got reckons part of it’s use was to ‘smooth out’ the power going into the grid from the wind farms?
another furphy?

i believe it is more a frequency stabiliser than anything else. so even if there is current being drawn it is no where near what the batteries can put out.

Since this thing is supposed to be generating hydrogen to store the energy, it wouldn’t seem to make any sense to then use that energy to re-charge batteries.

On the size question, assuming they mean 400 MWh/day, it’s pretty small really.

If they’re making hydrogen from methane then that’s about as useful as making coal from petrol.

I they’re making hydrogen from water then they are making exhorbitantly expensive hydrogen.

mollwollfumble said:

If they’re making hydrogen from methane then that’s about as useful as making coal from petrol.

I they’re making hydrogen from water then they are making exhorbitantly expensive hydrogen.

Still doesn’t fix the fact that I missed the word hydrogen, in the topic title.

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

Useful at least.

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

They appear to have added the peak output from all three components: the wind, the solar and the battery. Given that the battery is mainly there to cover the cyclicity/intermittency of the renewables, this seems a bit dumb.
Even if we leave aside the “every day” part.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

Perhaps the journalist in question not knowing a thing about the subject maybe.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

From 40 blokes running on a treadmill generator all day.

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

Perhaps the journalist in question not knowing a thing about the subject maybe.

Hold the phone…

ABC Online News hires journalists now?

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Going by the project website, annual production is expected to be 767000 megawatt hours per annum.

That’s around 2100 MWh per day. That’s an average of 88 MW.

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

From 40 blokes running on a treadmill generator all day.

What happened to making females do the work?

dv said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

Perhaps the journalist in question not knowing a thing about the subject maybe.

Hold the phone…

ABC Online News hires journalists now?

Perhaps the journalist work experience kid in question not knowing a thing about the subject maybe.

fixed

dv said:

sibeen said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder where the 400 MW came from. Peak output in high wind + full sun maybe.

Perhaps the journalist in question not knowing a thing about the subject maybe.

Hold the phone…

ABC Online News hires journalists now?

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