Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

Do road signs take in the angle of the sunlight to reduce glare?

Could this be made accurate using GPS set the correct angle of the sign in relation to the suns position.

Do road signs use glare reducing paints?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

No.
Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of the sunlight to reduce glare?

It is an angle thing so mostly yes and at the worst times, no.
Tau.Neutrino said:

Could this be made accurate using GPS set the correct angle of the sign in relation to the suns position.

Probably not.
Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs use glare reducing paints?

No. They use small reflective squares which at the right angle, do glare at you.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

No.
Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of the sunlight to reduce glare?

It is an angle thing so mostly yes and at the worst times, no.
Probably not.
Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs use glare reducing paints?

No. They use small reflective squares which at the right angle, do glare at you.

The plain unpainted side of road signs reflect sunlight very well, they can look like another car off in the distance during late afternoon. Don’t notice them up close, so angle reflection is probably different.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

No.
No. They use small reflective squares which at the right angle, do glare at you.

The plain unpainted side of road signs reflect sunlight very well, they can look like another car off in the distance during late afternoon. Don’t notice them up close, so angle reflection is probably different.

I find myself having to look elsewhere when cars are getting thta eye searing angle of sunlight off windscreens and shiny surfaces. This is cars I could hit if I am not looking at where they are going.

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

LOL, so you don’t do much country driving at night? worse when it is raining.

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

It is a fair point in that I drove a hire car and nearly head on’ed with a truck on the road because I couldn’t fucking see a thing. I drove that car to Queensland and back but after the first night’s experience, I was leery of taking it out after dark. If it wasn’t for the places that had orange reflectors on the dividing lines, I wouldn’t have known I was on a road.

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

concur

JudgeMental said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

LOL, so you don’t do much country driving at night? worse when it is raining.

in tassie, it’s not just rural roads, with lights on in the rain, the glare makes the lines on the road disappear in the city

Stumpy_seahorse said:

JudgeMental said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

LOL, so you don’t do much country driving at night? worse when it is raining.

in tassie, it’s not just rural roads, with lights on in the rain, the glare makes the lines on the road disappear in the city

We probably need buffy here to explain it all to the naysayers but reflection like climate change, actually exists.

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

it’s a bit like people who complain about speedhumps..
the problem is not the speedhump, it’s the lump of meat controlling the pedals

Stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

it’s a bit like people who complain about speedhumps..
the problem is not the speedhump, it’s the lump of meat controlling the pedals

They are called sleeping policemen in old blighty.

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

I only noticed it recently when I had bad eyesight and was getting treatment. Contrast/adjustment from light to dark seemed to be more of an issue than when I was younger. Some days I was dazzled just walking outside to check the letterbox without my sunnies. I found road signs and night on high beams a bit glarrish too.

used to get glare from a 1000m when i had the cruiser with the cibie super oscars. great light they were. had them on the Landy too. Got followed on the highway one night when it was pissing down. only doing about 80 but no one overtook. far easier following and being able to see the road.

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

You have only been driving 30 years?
Honestly I thought you were older.

How much highway driving out in the sticks where the only lights are the fucking big signs glaring back at you?

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

In my example I was referring to the sun’s reflection.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

I only noticed it recently when I had bad eyesight and was getting treatment. Contrast/adjustment from light to dark seemed to be more of an issue than when I was younger. Some days I was dazzled just walking outside to check the letterbox without my sunnies. I found road signs and night on high beams a bit glarrish too.

I recall some Sydney storms, in the inner city, with slick black shiny roads, condensation on the inside of the car and water streaming down the windscreen, the streetscape neon glare, other cars, lights and signs everywhere it can be a bit confusing.

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

In my example I was referring to the sun’s reflection.

Which is a pretty serious blast.

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

In 30 years of driving I have never even once had trouble with glare from road signs. It is a non-issue.

If you do have trouble with glare from road signs then the problem is you. You have badly adjusted headlights. Fix it!

I only noticed it recently when I had bad eyesight and was getting treatment. Contrast/adjustment from light to dark seemed to be more of an issue than when I was younger. Some days I was dazzled just walking outside to check the letterbox without my sunnies. I found road signs and night on high beams a bit glarrish too.

I recall some Sydney storms, in the inner city, with slick black shiny roads, condensation on the inside of the car and water streaming down the windscreen, the streetscape neon glare, other cars, lights and signs everywhere it can be a bit confusing.

LSD is similar.

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

… then you drive into a bus stop

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

… then you drive into a bus stop

So easily done.

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

if there is a vehicle in front of you within hitting distance, what the fuck are you doing with your high beams on?

and if the sun is the problem, pull over fr 5 minutes, it’ll move to a different angle and no longer blind you..
it aint rocket surgery..

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

… then you drive into a bus stop

we should be so lucky to have bus stops in the country.

;-)

JudgeMental said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

… then you drive into a bus stop

we should be so lucky to have bus stops in the country.

;-)

should be more of ‘em…

Darwin doing his best work…

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

if there is a vehicle in front of you within hitting distance, what the fuck are you doing with your high beams on?

and if the sun is the problem, pull over fr 5 minutes, it’ll move to a different angle and no longer blind you..
it aint rocket surgery..

takes notes

Stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

if there is a vehicle in front of you within hitting distance, what the fuck are you doing with your high beams on?

and if the sun is the problem, pull over fr 5 minutes, it’ll move to a different angle and no longer blind you..
it aint rocket surgery..

Kangaroo behind the sign, is my main concern at night. In daylight I tend to angle my eyes away from the glare. Otherwise I often would be blinded by the time an oncoming car was within hitting distance. My father taught me as an infasnt when I asked him the question about how do you miss the trucks that are coming at us? He said, “well if you sit in my seat and you look at the truck, you will hit it”.

JudgeMental said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Getting back to reflection of signs. Be it of natural sunlight or indeed high beam headlights. There is a point at approach of the signs where safety is so far reduced by the power of the reflect refract index, that you are in effect driving into a wall of light and there is nothing else you can see. This is inescapable and at the place where the point of impact can be measured in nanoseconds, well each instance can be a place where all you have is a wish and a prayer.

… then you drive into a bus stop

we should be so lucky to have bus stops in the country.

;-)

You know so much that you astound me with the depth.

Stumpy_seahorse said:

JudgeMental said:

AwesomeO said:

… then you drive into a bus stop

we should be so lucky to have bus stops in the country.

;-)

should be more of ‘em…

Darwin doing his best work…

You blokes are so off your work. It was a car wash.

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

transition said:

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

transition said:

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

as for the latter part, most of whom you speak would rather be driving faster and usually do.

transition said:

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

In ASustralia it is about distance relative to time and the space you needed to be in yesterday rather than this minute.

transition said:

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

bit of a thing these days, concerns about oversignage

not unlike the retreat from unnecessary surgery, or call it oversurgery.

I have a question about signed speed limits on roads..

what are they for?

what’s the real attraction about traveling as near the maximum speed limit as possible? Is it that people and their cars don’t want to be an obstruction on the road? Vehicles coming up behind?

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

I like driving and wish I could drive faster legally. Only 20 kmh or so. Going down to Melbourne would be better at 130kmh than 110kmh, and feels like a natural hair for the car.

I have no idea why spell check changed gait or what I tried to spell as gait, into hair.

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

AwesomeO said:

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

I like driving and wish I could drive faster legally. Only 20 kmh or so. Going down to Melbourne would be better at 130kmh than 110kmh, and feels like a natural hair for the car.

and with modern cars you would hardly notice the difference.

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

AwesomeO said:

Cos you want to get somewhere so why arse about.

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

I like driving and wish I could drive faster legally. Only 20 kmh or so. Going down to Melbourne would be better at 130kmh than 110kmh, and feels like a natural hair for the car.

Back when I was very young, the speed limit meant only that you were allowed to give the policeman a description of why you needed to drive so fast and he based his decision upon his estimation on how safely you appeared to be driving.

JudgeMental said:

AwesomeO said:

transition said:

everyone’s in a hurry.

I see, don’t they like driving?

I like driving and wish I could drive faster legally. Only 20 kmh or so. Going down to Melbourne would be better at 130kmh than 110kmh, and feels like a natural hair for the car.

and with modern cars you would hardly notice the difference.

Drive in perms for cars?

I was thinking today, as I dodged a couple of kangaroos, and of other wildlife, how glad they’d be of vehicles traveling slower. Well, my conscience, a projection of some sort had me thinking (insert anthropomorphizing maybe?, if you like big words) if Skippy had a voice would Skippy want the humans to travel slower?

transition said:

I was thinking today, as I dodged a couple of kangaroos, and of other wildlife, how glad they’d be of vehicles traveling slower. Well, my conscience, a projection of some sort had me thinking (insert anthropomorphizing maybe?, if you like big words) if Skippy had a voice would Skippy want the humans to travel slower?

I have observations to that effect. Travel at 60kmph on bush roads at night and there will still be breathtaking braking events but you should likely not actually hit a kangaroo unless one jumps into you from the side. I’ve had them land on my bonnet and keep going but any impact to the legs can be serious to a kangaroo.

> LOL, so you don’t do much country driving at night? worse when it is raining.

Not lately but I used to. There the only significant light problems were oncoming high beam headlights of oncoming vehicles and driving into sunset. Both are worse when it’s not raining.

In the city yes, white lines dissapear in the rain but that’s not a glare issue.

For me the biggest danger is the opposite, driving from direct sunlight into deep shadow. Caused two of my accidents.

Overuse of road signs is an enormous problem in the USA, and Australia is getting worse. Latest problem is advertising signs that masquerade as road signs. Until about 2 years ago this was illegal, now it has the approval of Main Roads.

Sure, the light reflected back from road signs could be increased. I know how to do it. And I’d approve of making them easier to read. But I don’t see it as a major issue.

mollwollfumble said:

> LOL, so you don’t do much country driving at night? worse when it is raining.

Not lately but I used to. There the only significant light problems were oncoming high beam headlights of oncoming vehicles and driving into sunset. Both are worse when it’s not raining.

In the city yes, white lines dissapear in the rain but that’s not a glare issue.

For me the biggest danger is the opposite, driving from direct sunlight into deep shadow. Caused two of my accidents.

Overuse of road signs is an enormous problem in the USA, and Australia is getting worse. Latest problem is advertising signs that masquerade as road signs. Until about 2 years ago this was illegal, now it has the approval of Main Roads.

Sure, the light reflected back from road signs could be increased. I know how to do it. And I’d approve of making them easier to read. But I don’t see it as a major issue.

It is all true over at least 30 years of driving.. keep thinking.

roughbarked said:

transition said:

I was thinking today, as I dodged a couple of kangaroos, and of other wildlife, how glad they’d be of vehicles traveling slower. Well, my conscience, a projection of some sort had me thinking (insert anthropomorphizing maybe?, if you like big words) if Skippy had a voice would Skippy want the humans to travel slower?

I have observations to that effect. Travel at 60kmph on bush roads at night and there will still be breathtaking braking events but you should likely not actually hit a kangaroo unless one jumps into you from the side. I’ve had them land on my bonnet and keep going but any impact to the legs can be serious to a kangaroo.

i’m more considering, if you could imagine you’re a kangaroo for a moment. Now, I know you’re a member of a genius species, top of the food chain and all, but I ask does a kangaroo care if you’re doing 60km/h, or 110km/h? I’m not sure if you think caring is a uniquely human quality, we could explore that.

so, where are you with this task of imagining you’re a kangaroo?

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

transition said:

roughbarked said:

transition said:

I was thinking today, as I dodged a couple of kangaroos, and of other wildlife, how glad they’d be of vehicles traveling slower. Well, my conscience, a projection of some sort had me thinking (insert anthropomorphizing maybe?, if you like big words) if Skippy had a voice would Skippy want the humans to travel slower?

I have observations to that effect. Travel at 60kmph on bush roads at night and there will still be breathtaking braking events but you should likely not actually hit a kangaroo unless one jumps into you from the side. I’ve had them land on my bonnet and keep going but any impact to the legs can be serious to a kangaroo.

i’m more considering, if you could imagine you’re a kangaroo for a moment. Now, I know you’re a member of a genius species, top of the food chain and all, but I ask does a kangaroo care if you’re doing 60km/h, or 110km/h? I’m not sure if you think caring is a uniquely human quality, we could explore that.

so, where are you with this task of imagining you’re a kangaroo?

At 130kmph, the kangaroo I glimsped too late leaping out of a deep tabledrain, was beheaded on my trailer. The ropes still stunk of kangaroo blood and brains for at least two decades.

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

or like I did one night, trying to get away from the big red bastard, drove around the bush and back towards the road where he finally managed to headbutt me on the edge of what was actually a solid steel bumper bar on the older Pajeros. He bent it back on to the front wheel.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

or like I did one night, trying to get away from the big red bastard, drove around the bush and back towards the road where he finally managed to headbutt me on the edge of what was actually a solid steel bumper bar on the older Pajeros. He bent it back on to the front wheel.

After a while tying to find spanners in the dark to pull the bumper off a truckie loomed up out of the Willcannia White Cliffs wilderness and after a look said, I’ll give you a drug. Just signal me when I’ve done enough and he hooked a chain on the bumper. I waved at the appropriate moment and I’ve seen panelbeaters do worse in the daylight from closer to the work than he was.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

Do road signs take in the angle of the sunlight to reduce glare?

Could this be made accurate using GPS set the correct angle of the sign in relation to the suns position.

Do road signs use glare reducing paints?

>>Do road signs take in the angle of car headlights, to reduce glare?

Do road signs take in the angle of the sunlight to reduce glare?

Could this be made accurate using GPS set the correct angle of the sign in relation to the suns position.<<

There is no particular angle appropriate. Horizontally, the car is moving, the angle between car and sign is constantly changing. Vertically there are lots of different sized cars and the headlights are at different heights. The sun also moves, both East to West daily and swinging Northerer in the Winter.

There is a particular time of year when my drive home from work has the setting sun just exactly placed on the horizon that the red reflectors on the roadside posts all light up for several kilometres. It’s impressive.

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

I’ve noticed the opposite. People who kill kangaroos usually end up killing a human being, and as often as not it’s themselves.

mollwollfumble said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

I’ve noticed the opposite. People who kill kangaroos usually end up killing a human being, and as often as not it’s themselves.

you don’t drive in the country so you don’t understand the meaning behind what i posted.

JudgeMental said:

mollwollfumble said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

I’ve noticed the opposite. People who kill kangaroos usually end up killing a human being, and as often as not it’s themselves.

you don’t drive in the country so you don’t understand the meaning behind what i posted.

Yeah, the only animals I’ve ever hit with a car have been a galah and a goanna. There are certain places in the country where I drive VERY slowly at dusk to avoid hitting roos.

But I thought country people were those more likely to shoot somene.

I know a person who was nearly killed when a roo shooter mistook her for a roo.

mollwollfumble said:

JudgeMental said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’ve noticed the opposite. People who kill kangaroos usually end up killing a human being, and as often as not it’s themselves.

you don’t drive in the country so you don’t understand the meaning behind what i posted.

Yeah, the only animals I’ve ever hit with a car have been a galah and a goanna. There are certain places in the country where I drive VERY slowly at dusk to avoid hitting roos.

But I thought country people were those more likely to shoot somene.

I know a person who was nearly killed when a roo shooter mistook her for a roo.

I remain unconvinced that there is a significant relationship (positive or negative, causal or non-causal) between avoidance of killing kangaroos and suicide rates.

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

By avoiding them and hitting something else ?

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

probably means dodging them, which can be very dangerous

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

By avoiding them and hitting something else ?

They do something rash out of remorse, i expect..

The Rev Dodgson said:

I remain unconvinced that there is a significant relationship (positive or negative, causal or non-causal) between avoidance of killing kangaroos and suicide rates.

Fair enough. I didn’t explain clearly the difference between suicide attempts and successful suicides. 99% of suicide attempts involving guns are successful. Only 3 to 5% of suicide attempts not involving guns are successful. Guns tend to be used more by country folk and country folk tend to be those who kill kangaroos.

Not a strong relationship I admit.

Or to put it another way, from ABC news October 2017:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-10-12/suicide-still-a-bigger-problem-in-the-bush/8996568

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

OK, thanks.

:)

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I have a little experience of this, and though it’s easy enough to say so don’t swerve to avoid a roo, when you are hacking along and one bounds out of nowhere, you have done a bit of a swerve plus hit the brakes all in an instant before you are even properly aware of what you have done.

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

yep, nearly collected a black cow on a moonless night. luckily i was going slow enough that when it turned to face me and smiled i saw its teeth gleam in the headlights.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

yep, nearly collected a black cow on a moonless night. luckily i was going slow enough that when it turned to face me and smiled i saw its teeth gleam in the headlights.

Plus being an SSSF driver you reflexes are honed to a nanosecond response

When I do my trips down to Melbourne, (next one is the 17th) I leave at oh dark thirty and still hacking along country roads as the sun is rising, it’s a bad combination.

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

Yes. Also like driving over a pig, I understand. Which is like driving over a beer barrel.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

or like I did one night, trying to get away from the big red bastard, drove around the bush and back towards the road where he finally managed to headbutt me on the edge of what was actually a solid steel bumper bar on the older Pajeros. He bent it back on to the front wheel.

After a while tying to find spanners in the dark to pull the bumper off a truckie loomed up out of the Willcannia White Cliffs wilderness and after a look said, I’ll give you a drug. Just signal me when I’ve done enough and he hooked a chain on the bumper. I waved at the appropriate moment and I’ve seen panelbeaters do worse in the daylight from closer to the work than he was.

You do realize that taking drugs from strange truck drivers isnt a wise move???

;-)

AwesomeO said:

When I do my trips down to Melbourne, (next one is the 17th) I leave at oh dark thirty and still hacking along country roads as the sun is rising, it’s a bad combination.

It would be.

boppa said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

or like I did one night, trying to get away from the big red bastard, drove around the bush and back towards the road where he finally managed to headbutt me on the edge of what was actually a solid steel bumper bar on the older Pajeros. He bent it back on to the front wheel.

After a while tying to find spanners in the dark to pull the bumper off a truckie loomed up out of the Willcannia White Cliffs wilderness and after a look said, I’ll give you a drug. Just signal me when I’ve done enough and he hooked a chain on the bumper. I waved at the appropriate moment and I’ve seen panelbeaters do worse in the daylight from closer to the work than he was.

You do realize that taking drugs from strange truck drivers isnt a wise move???

;-)

But it does keep you wide awake.

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of those huge reflective signs either, I’ve driven a lot of country miles over the years (my last logbook totaled over a million according to the trucks speedos) but I have noticed that the reflective signs are a nuisance at night when you have the spotties on, I often have to flick down to lowbeam till I’m past, or at least flick the spotties off

boppa said:

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of those huge reflective signs either, I’ve driven a lot of country miles over the years (my last logbook totaled over a million according to the trucks speedos) but I have noticed that the reflective signs are a nuisance at night when you have the spotties on, I often have to flick down to lowbeam till I’m past, or at least flick the spotties off

I dn’t have spotties and they still give me trouble on hi-beam.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

people who care about hitting and killing kangaroos usually end up killing themselves.

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

There usually isn’t any time to swerve if you are about to hit one.

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Could you please expand?

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

There usually isn’t any time to swerve if you are about to hit one.

Plenty of time afterwards, though.

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

yes, they swerve to avoid hitting the roo and hit a tree or hit the dirt and over correct and roll the car. both can lead to fatalities. it is a given in the country that you don’t swerve to miss a roo.

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

I am a big fan of crossing out the speed limit and adding “drive to road conditions” on the signs.

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

On the other hand, you should, by all means, swerve to miss a cow.

Whamming full tilt into one of those things will make a mess of the cow, your car, and you.

I find that driving at a speed suited to conditions is pretty good at helping avoid potential road dangers.

I am a big fan of crossing out the speed limit and adding “drive to road conditions” on the signs.

Or ‘Go as fast as you like. The sooner you’re dead, the sooner the rest of us will be safe”.

boppa said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

or like I did one night, trying to get away from the big red bastard, drove around the bush and back towards the road where he finally managed to headbutt me on the edge of what was actually a solid steel bumper bar on the older Pajeros. He bent it back on to the front wheel.

After a while tying to find spanners in the dark to pull the bumper off a truckie loomed up out of the Willcannia White Cliffs wilderness and after a look said, I’ll give you a drug. Just signal me when I’ve done enough and he hooked a chain on the bumper. I waved at the appropriate moment and I’ve seen panelbeaters do worse in the daylight from closer to the work than he was.

You do realize that taking drugs from strange truck drivers isnt a wise move???

;-)

:)

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

And to think, enough people still voted for him.

roughbarked said:

boppa said:

roughbarked said:

After a while tying to find spanners in the dark to pull the bumper off a truckie loomed up out of the Willcannia White Cliffs wilderness and after a look said, I’ll give you a drug. Just signal me when I’ve done enough and he hooked a chain on the bumper. I waved at the appropriate moment and I’ve seen panelbeaters do worse in the daylight from closer to the work than he was.

You do realize that taking drugs from strange truck drivers isnt a wise move???

;-)

:)

Common parlance in the bush. Drug = tug/drag..

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

And to think, enough people still voted for him.

Tallong had about 20 people in it.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

I didn’t know there was such a job.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

My aunt usd to live in Tallong (country NSW, near Goulburn). The road out to her place had a dip in it, in which wombats used to nap. I never hit one, but plenty of people did. Lots of damage to the underside of the car and the poor wombats.

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

I didn’t know there was such a job.

Being my cousin?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

boppa said:

You do realize that taking drugs from strange truck drivers isnt a wise move???

;-)

:)

Common parlance in the bush. Drug = tug/drag..

The was the occasion when a doctor was called to the police station to examine a bloke in the cells.

“This man has been drugged!” the doctor proclaimed.

“Yes”, said the constable “I drug him for about half a mile.”

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

I didn’t know there was such a job.

Being my cousin?

It’s a tough job, but someone has to do it.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

My mother grew up there and The Mayor of Tallong is my cousin.

I didn’t know there was such a job.

Being my cousin?

Mayor of Tallong.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I didn’t know there was such a job.

Being my cousin?

Mayor of Tallong.

Probably only an honorary thing. I recall some croatian by the name of Milat tried to convince the cops that myself and my son were suspicious characters in the Balangalow murders. Anyway for four or five days they tried to get an interview with us and I informed Mrs rb to tell them to ask Jim and the cop came back with, “Oh, the Mayor? This will be a good yarn to chat with the boys in the pub after work about”. Left it at that, I never heard from them again.

roughbarked said:

boppa said:

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of those huge reflective signs either, I’ve driven a lot of country miles over the years (my last logbook totaled over a million according to the trucks speedos) but I have noticed that the reflective signs are a nuisance at night when you have the spotties on, I often have to flick down to lowbeam till I’m past, or at least flick the spotties off

I dn’t have spotties and they still give me trouble on hi-beam.

Yeah but most modern cars headlights are equivalent to having spotties anyway
I recently had to drive an old HQ Kingswood out to a place about 3 hrs drive away
Original 35/55 sealed beams, no spotties
Putting them on highbeam was like using a candle…
low beam was, well, worse…

What was really bad was that every time a car came opposite me, I literally couldnt see the road at all, the new cars lights simply washed out the old kingswoods so badly and their lights were too hard to see into even on low beam

A very uncomfortable trip

boppa said:

roughbarked said:

boppa said:

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of those huge reflective signs either, I’ve driven a lot of country miles over the years (my last logbook totaled over a million according to the trucks speedos) but I have noticed that the reflective signs are a nuisance at night when you have the spotties on, I often have to flick down to lowbeam till I’m past, or at least flick the spotties off

I dn’t have spotties and they still give me trouble on hi-beam.

Yeah but most modern cars headlights are equivalent to having spotties anyway
I recently had to drive an old HQ Kingswood out to a place about 3 hrs drive away
Original 35/55 sealed beams, no spotties
Putting them on highbeam was like using a candle…
low beam was, well, worse…

What was really bad was that every time a car came opposite me, I literally couldnt see the road at all, the new cars lights simply washed out the old kingswoods so badly and their lights were too hard to see into even on low beam

A very uncomfortable trip

Same thing happened to me with a rental car and it was a modern Toyota Corolla. The hi-beams were like candles and the low beams like matches helf below the edge of the table. I nearly died several times that night.

boppa said:

roughbarked said:

boppa said:

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of those huge reflective signs either, I’ve driven a lot of country miles over the years (my last logbook totaled over a million according to the trucks speedos) but I have noticed that the reflective signs are a nuisance at night when you have the spotties on, I often have to flick down to lowbeam till I’m past, or at least flick the spotties off

I dn’t have spotties and they still give me trouble on hi-beam.

Yeah but most modern cars headlights are equivalent to having spotties anyway
I recently had to drive an old HQ Kingswood out to a place about 3 hrs drive away
Original 35/55 sealed beams, no spotties
Putting them on highbeam was like using a candle…
low beam was, well, worse…

What was really bad was that every time a car came opposite me, I literally couldnt see the road at all, the new cars lights simply washed out the old kingswoods so badly and their lights were too hard to see into even on low beam

A very uncomfortable trip

My Landy started off with bulbs. Fitted an alternator, H4 halogens in the headlights, two super oscars with 100W halogens and two 70W smaller spotlights. Big difference.

australia doesn’t understand how you are meant to use road signs

it doesn’t even use proper reflective paint on its roads !