The Coalition has notched up its 30th straight Newspoll loss, prompting the prime minister to urge his dispirited colleagues to keep their focus on Labor and the next federal election contest.

The latest survey published by the Australian on Sunday night has Labor ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred measure 52% to 48%.

Malcolm Turnbull is now only two points ahead of his opposite number, Bill Shorten, as preferred prime minister, leading 38% to 36%, and the Coalition’s primary vote is on 38%.

This week’s Newspoll – while just another bad poll in a long, negative trend – has loomed as a milestone because Turnbull had used Tony Abbott’s sustained poor showing in the survey as one justification for launching a successful leadership coup in 2015. Turnbull cited Abbott losing 30 Newspolls in a row as a reason to move against him as leader.

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Will the Coalition stick with Mr Trumble for the rest of the year or bring on a sub?

I’d like to see Sir Pository of Wisdom have another bash just for laughs.

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

dv said:

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

Maybe, if they take us into another war. Nah, not even these deplorables..

Well, they can always count on the ALP to indulge in some vicious, suicidal, self-centred, and very public factional infighting just in time to make themselves look unelectable for the next election.

dv said:

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

Yeah, cutting immigration usually works well.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

Yeah, cutting immigration usually works well.

Aren’t they talking about taking in all the South African whiteys?

captain_spalding said:

Well, they can always count on the ALP to indulge in some vicious, suicidal, self-centred, and very public factional infighting just in time to make themselves look unelectable for the next election.

Not going to happen (he said moderately confidently). They put in rules after the Rudd/Gillard gore fest. Coalition’s relying on a Kill Bill strategy and it aint workin… they’ll probably switch to a Hateful Eight one.

Politics is very boring at the moment, maybe the score reflects that.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Politics is very boring at the moment, maybe the score reflects that.

How does a 48-52 poll reflect the fact that politics is boring? What do you think the numbers would be if politics is more exciting?

I remember politics was pretty exciting, hilarious even, in August 2015 when the polls were 46-54.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Politics is very boring at the moment, maybe the score reflects that.

How does a 48-52 poll reflect the fact that politics is boring? What do you think the numbers would be if politics is more exciting?

I remember politics was pretty exciting, hilarious even, in August 2015 when the polls were 46-54.

There should be a poll for boring or exciting politics.

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

Not many people like Bill, or have heard of him, or something.

sibeen said:

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

Not many people like Bill, or have heard of him, or something.

With one they like the leader, but they don’t like the policies.

With the other, they like the policies, but they don’t like the leader.

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

opposition leaders normally have a poor rating as preferred PM, usually not till they get into the job that you know if they are any good at it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

Yeah, cutting immigration usually works well.

You should find some graphs, prepared to be corrected but last time I checked the stats, the coalition had consistently higher rates of immigration of all sorts.

As an aside, re the initial post, it’s not 30 for the coalition, it’s 30 for Turnbull, it’s 60 for the coalition.

AwesomeO said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m sure they’ll engineer some crisis and win the next one. They have a knack of managing to be ahead for like two months at the right time.

Yeah, cutting immigration usually works well.

You should find some graphs, prepared to be corrected but last time I checked the stats, the coalition had consistently higher rates of immigration of all sorts.

Gives them more scope for cutting come election time.

AwesomeO said:

As an aside, re the initial post, it’s not 30 for the coalition, it’s 30 for Turnbull, it’s 60 for the coalition.

Good point.

• As an aside, re the initial post, it’s not 30 for the coalition, it’s 30 for Turnbull, it’s 60 for the coalition.

Presumably that also means that they won the last election whilst being behind on the newspoll?

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

opposition leaders normally have a poor rating as preferred PM, usually not till they get into the job that you know if they are any good at it.

I endorse this product or service. Abbott was a very good opposition leader; it wasn’t until he became PM that we discovered how bad he was at it.

furious said:

• As an aside, re the initial post, it’s not 30 for the coalition, it’s 30 for Turnbull, it’s 60 for the coalition.

Presumably that also means that they won the last election whilst being behind on the newspoll?

Presumably Turnbull started the count when Abbott was elected, pretty sure at the time the coalition was well ahead of Rudd.

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

Because he is personally popular.

This is the major difference between his situation and Abbott’s. At the time when Abbott was deposed, his approval was at 26%. He was hugely unpopular so it was reasonable to think that he was weighing the party down, and that replacing him would lead to the party improving its position (which, indeed, it did).

Turnbull on the other hand is well liked generally and funnily enough is probably the most popular Liberal in parliament. Replacing him would probably not help them. Their core problem is that most ppl don’t want what they’re selling.

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Although the Coaltion seems more stable than when Abbott was PM, I dislike the hypocrisy of Turnbull. He used “30 poll losses” as an excuse to overthrow Abbott yet when he loss 30 polls, it’s all good, nothing to worry about, polls don’t matter.

The other thing I’m confuzzled about is how the Coalition can lose 30 polls yet Turnbull is the preferred PM.

Because he is personally popular.

This is the major difference between his situation and Abbott’s. At the time when Abbott was deposed, his approval was at 26%. He was hugely unpopular so it was reasonable to think that he was weighing the party down, and that replacing him would lead to the party improving its position (which, indeed, it did).

Turnbull on the other hand is well liked generally and funnily enough is probably the most popular Liberal in parliament. Replacing him would probably not help them. Their core problem is that most ppl don’t want what they’re selling.

Yes, and Turnbull is too weak as a leader to change that direction.

So did dv’s rumoured challenge take place, or was it a case of “Dutton dressed as spam”?

Bubblecar said:

So did dv’s rumoured challenge take place, or was it a case of “Dutton dressed as spam”?

snigger

Bubblecar said:

So did dv’s rumoured challenge take place, or was it a case of “Dutton dressed as spam”?

Parliament is not sitting this week, so they are not all in CanB sitting around having meetings. They are all at home or rooting their office staff.

furious said:

• As an aside, re the initial post, it’s not 30 for the coalition, it’s 30 for Turnbull, it’s 60 for the coalition.

Presumably that also means that they won the last election whilst being behind on the newspoll?

It’s 30 consecutive newspolls. There was a period where it turned around. And Abbott has his 30 consecutive newspolls.

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

just you and me. doesn’t have charisma but that doesn’t worry me for a leader.

They tried a Royal Commission. To no avail.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

just you and me. doesn’t have charisma but that doesn’t worry me for a leader.

And me.

Turdball once had charisma, now miasma.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

just you and me. doesn’t have charisma but that doesn’t worry me for a leader.

I don’t see the need to have a rooster for leader. You need a leader for a leader. Someone who thinks.

ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

just you and me. doesn’t have charisma but that doesn’t worry me for a leader.

There’s three of us now.

I’ve never understood what this charisma thing is anyway.

• Presumably Turnbull started the count when Abbott was elected, pretty sure at the time the coalition was well ahead of Rudd.

There has been an election since then – the double dissolution one – what were the newspolls like then?

“It’s Mr Turnbull who said 30 Newspolls is a definition of success. That’s his problem,” Mr Shorten told reporters in Perth.

That and Turncoat’s adoption of Abbott’s positions on climate change policy, SSM, NBN etc was settting himself up to fail.

furious said:

• Presumably Turnbull started the count when Abbott was elected, pretty sure at the time the coalition was well ahead of Rudd.

There has been an election since then – the double dissolution one – what were the newspolls like then?

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

There’s at least two of us.

But then I thought Mark Latham was OK as well, and look how he turned out.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

There’s at least two of us.

But then I thought Mark Latham was OK as well, and look how he turned out.

Ah, different sort of man.

Also, although I could never really forgive Malcom Fraser, he certainly did some good things. Refugees he understood. And in later life, he almost moved left. So I guess people can move the other way too.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

I must be the only person in Australia that thinks Bill Shorten is alright. Quiet achiever. Or the LibNats wouldn’t hate his union side so much.

There’s at least two of us.

But then I thought Mark Latham was OK as well, and look how he turned out.

Yeah I think Bill Shorten is alright. I wouldn’t put it more strongly than that.

I didn’t think Mark Latham was alright.

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

So did dv’s rumoured challenge take place, or was it a case of “Dutton dressed as spam”?

snigger

Nice one, but it appears the rumour was untrue

While I’m not mad keen on Bill Shorten, I see no reason at all to prefer Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

Bubblecar said:

While I’m not mad keen on Bill Shorten, I see no reason at all to prefer Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

That puts you in the same category as a large section of the Liberal Party.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

While I’m not mad keen on Bill Shorten, I see no reason at all to prefer Malcolm Turnbull as PM.

That puts you in the same category as a large section of the Liberal Party.

lolz :)

I’m with Buffy on Bill Shorten.