Date: 10/04/2018 03:19:24
From: dv
ID: 1211118
Subject: alkaline water

It’s hard to keep up with all the stupid these days so until now I had not heard of the alkaline water scam.

People selling “alkaline water” (which is just a solution of various hydroxides, mostly calcium hydroxide) claim that a) it aids hydration, or that b) it helps keep the body slightly alkaline.

Trials have shown that a) is not true: it doesn’t hydrate better than tap water.

b) doesn’t even mean anything. All parts of the body have a different pH. Your stomach contents are strongly acidic and that’s how it is meant to be: if you neutralised it with alkalis, your digestion would be fucked up. Your blood pH is around 7.3 and is not affected by the alkalinity of your drinks.

I don’t really get why companies are allowed to make false claims about products in their advertising or labelling. If I sold something on ebay on the basis of bogus claims, the buyer would have legal recourse. Why doesn’t this apply to claims made in advertising and labelling? Maybe I should just file a report with the ACCC on all of these products and see what happens.

Case in point: Alka Power

https://alkapower.com.au/

ALKA POWER WATER HAS THE HIGHEST STABLE PH LEVEL 9-10”

It’s not clear to me that a solution with a 9-10 pH can even be called “water” but I will let that pass. In what sense is this the highest stable level?

PROVIDING A MORE EFFECTIVE HYDRATION AND IONIC MINERAL ABSORPTION

Nope.

“Our alkaline water products is guaranteed to hold its pH better than other waters”

This seems a bold claim but I can’t readily dismiss it without testing. The pH of a bottled solution of hydroxides should really only change because of reaction with the container. Are their containers better?

“Only Alka Power water has the proper pH (9-10) to sustain maximum hydration”

Tests have shown these solutions hydrate as well as tap water.

“ and help balance your body’s pH.”

It doesn’t do that, and if it did, you’d die.

“We believe in providing only the best for our consumers in Australia with active minerals, ultimate hydration and the utmost purity for you to enjoy day in and day out.”

Active minerals is not a very useful phrase but I’ll just take it they mean minerals used by the body, and in fairness the metal ions in these solutions can be used by the body, so I’ll let that pass too. But how can they profess “utmost purity”? Pure water has a pH of 7. By claiming the pH is 9-10 they are insisting that this product is NOT pure.

Elsewhere on the site:

“What is Alka Power & where does it come from?
Alka Power is an ionic calcium infused alkaline water with a stable pH of 9-10. Our process includes infusing ionic minerals (calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium) from farmed coral, mother of pearl and seashell which are all ethically sourced and are 100% absorbed by the body. Alka Power provides the ultimate hydration your body requires day in and day out.”

Whoop de doo. Calcium is calcium. It doesn’t remember its previous life in a coral polyp.

“Why does litmus paper pH provide false results?
A reminder to everyone that EASYpH litmus paper is designed for urine and/or saliva and is not intended to test the pH level of water. EASYpH is used to see how your body responds to drinking alkaline water. Use a pH meter if you want to test water.”

I can’t think of a reason why an aqueous hydroxide solution with a pH of 9 to 10 would not show a blue colour on a litmus strip. I’m not sure what they are getting at here.

WHY ALKA POWER WATER?
CLEAN, REFRESHING TASTE
ABSOLUTE PURITY
ULTIMATE HYDRATION
STABLE PH (9-10) GUARANTEED
IONIC CALCIUM-INFUSED WATER

Again with the purity! What the fuck do people think purity means? Again with the ultimate hydration! No!
I will accept that this is ionic calcium-infused water that has a stable pH 9-10 that has a clean, refreshing taste.

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Date: 10/04/2018 04:29:51
From: party_pants
ID: 1211119
Subject: re: alkaline water

I think they should be boiled in it.

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Date: 10/04/2018 05:49:38
From: Ian
ID: 1211120
Subject: re: alkaline water

Maybe they’re trying to get the gardeners in. A lot of soils benefit from the addition of lime.

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This was big (apparently) a few years ago…

 A bottle of Blk, was the next best accessory — the alkaline fulvic trace mineral infused water, which originates from a spring in Canada. If a chocolate brand were to have ‘Enjoy the Darkside’ as its tagline, we’d still understand. But if a brand of bottled water was out to sell its “murky water”, that’s scary! “It’s the naturally infused black fulvic minerals that give water its black colour. It’s an alkaline water with Ph level between 8 to 9 and contains 77 trace minerals and electrolytes, which ensure overall wellness of the body,” assures Dikshit Jhanb, director, Blk. India. Celebrity takers? Well, Allessandra Ambrosio and Kendall Jenner!

Well, Dikshit would know.

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“Organic water” is still around despite water being inorganic by definition.

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This sounds like a nice drop… and not too expensive….

Chanteldon, Sparkling: France - £8.45 750ml Btl

This naturally carbonated water is slowly filtered through the rocks of the Chateldonnaise mountains in France and emerg­es from the spring at a constant temperature of 6˚C.Chateldon has been continuously bottled since 1650 when King Louis XIV brought in barrels by mule to Versailles. TDS 1882mg – Sodium 240mg – Magnesium 49mg – Calcium 383mg

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“Asparagus Water” exists!

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Date: 10/04/2018 07:01:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1211122
Subject: re: alkaline water

Wow, where can you get it?

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Date: 10/04/2018 07:21:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 1211124
Subject: re: alkaline water

dv said:


It’s hard to keep up with all the stupid these days so until now I had not heard of the alkaline water scam.

People selling “alkaline water” (which is just a solution of various hydroxides, mostly calcium hydroxide) claim that a) it aids hydration, or that b) it helps keep the body slightly alkaline.

Trials have shown that a) is not true: it doesn’t hydrate better than tap water.

b) doesn’t even mean anything. All parts of the body have a different pH. Your stomach contents are strongly acidic and that’s how it is meant to be: if you neutralised it with alkalis, your digestion would be fucked up. Your blood pH is around 7.3 and is not affected by the alkalinity of your drinks.

I don’t really get why companies are allowed to make false claims about products in their advertising or labelling. If I sold something on ebay on the basis of bogus claims, the buyer would have legal recourse. Why doesn’t this apply to claims made in advertising and labelling? Maybe I should just file a report with the ACCC on all of these products and see what happens.

Case in point: Alka Power

https://alkapower.com.au/

ALKA POWER WATER HAS THE HIGHEST STABLE PH LEVEL 9-10”

It’s not clear to me that a solution with a 9-10 pH can even be called “water” but I will let that pass. In what sense is this the highest stable level?

PROVIDING A MORE EFFECTIVE HYDRATION AND IONIC MINERAL ABSORPTION

Nope.

“Our alkaline water products is guaranteed to hold its pH better than other waters”

This seems a bold claim but I can’t readily dismiss it without testing. The pH of a bottled solution of hydroxides should really only change because of reaction with the container. Are their containers better?

“Only Alka Power water has the proper pH (9-10) to sustain maximum hydration”

Tests have shown these solutions hydrate as well as tap water.

“ and help balance your body’s pH.”

It doesn’t do that, and if it did, you’d die.

“We believe in providing only the best for our consumers in Australia with active minerals, ultimate hydration and the utmost purity for you to enjoy day in and day out.”

Active minerals is not a very useful phrase but I’ll just take it they mean minerals used by the body, and in fairness the metal ions in these solutions can be used by the body, so I’ll let that pass too. But how can they profess “utmost purity”? Pure water has a pH of 7. By claiming the pH is 9-10 they are insisting that this product is NOT pure.

Elsewhere on the site:

“What is Alka Power & where does it come from?
Alka Power is an ionic calcium infused alkaline water with a stable pH of 9-10. Our process includes infusing ionic minerals (calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium) from farmed coral, mother of pearl and seashell which are all ethically sourced and are 100% absorbed by the body. Alka Power provides the ultimate hydration your body requires day in and day out.”

Whoop de doo. Calcium is calcium. It doesn’t remember its previous life in a coral polyp.

“Why does litmus paper pH provide false results?
A reminder to everyone that EASYpH litmus paper is designed for urine and/or saliva and is not intended to test the pH level of water. EASYpH is used to see how your body responds to drinking alkaline water. Use a pH meter if you want to test water.”

I can’t think of a reason why an aqueous hydroxide solution with a pH of 9 to 10 would not show a blue colour on a litmus strip. I’m not sure what they are getting at here.

WHY ALKA POWER WATER?
CLEAN, REFRESHING TASTE
ABSOLUTE PURITY
ULTIMATE HYDRATION
STABLE PH (9-10) GUARANTEED
IONIC CALCIUM-INFUSED WATER

Again with the purity! What the fuck do people think purity means? Again with the ultimate hydration! No!
I will accept that this is ionic calcium-infused water that has a stable pH 9-10 that has a clean, refreshing taste.

You have my sympathy. It is a tough stance to take. Why just the other day I saw that sliced mushrooms made them become my complete vitamin B12 supply. If only I’d have known. All these years I could have avoided being B12 deficient.

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Date: 10/04/2018 07:34:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1211126
Subject: re: alkaline water

Peak Warming Man said:


Wow, where can you get it?

I have my own personal bore into the alkaline water aquifer and sole rights to the proceeds of sale.
Please ptrovide me with youe email address and your home address so I can arrange delivery.

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Date: 10/04/2018 07:56:09
From: Ian
ID: 1211132
Subject: re: alkaline water

Whole Foods Selling Asparagus Water Is A Sign The End Is Near

“We looked into the item as soon as it was brought to our attention. It was carried briefly in just one of our stores in California and was meant to be water with the essence of vegetables and/or mushrooms, which is typically made over a long period of time soaking in water.”

DRINK IT!

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Get it intya.. it’s only water

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Date: 10/04/2018 07:57:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1211133
Subject: re: alkaline water

I’m pretty sure that making false or misleading statements is still against the law in all commercial dealings.

I suppose the responsible body just doesn’t have enough people to follow up every case.

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Date: 10/04/2018 08:06:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1211135
Subject: re: alkaline water

Maybe to save resources, rather than investigating every dubious claim they should make everybody selling products claiming to have health benefits to add the following statement to their labels in large print:

CONTAINS CHEMICALS

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Date: 10/04/2018 08:16:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 1211137
Subject: re: alkaline water

The Rev Dodgson said:


I’m pretty sure that making false or misleading statements is still against the law in all commercial dealings.

I suppose the responsible body just doesn’t have enough people to follow up every case.

The sellers can become millionaires by the time anybody looks at it.

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Date: 10/04/2018 10:07:47
From: Cymek
ID: 1211147
Subject: re: alkaline water

Our water is more expensive because of the processes of obtaining it, it doesn’t just fall out the sky you know

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Date: 10/04/2018 10:08:48
From: dv
ID: 1211148
Subject: re: alkaline water

Stuff it. I’m launching a case with the ACCC.

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Date: 10/04/2018 12:20:25
From: Ian
ID: 1211215
Subject: re: alkaline water

dv said:


Stuff it. I’m launching a case with the ACCC.

Great, triffic, exellent.. go for it.
(I thought this was just a late night rant)

Keep us informed of your progress.

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Date: 10/04/2018 13:26:46
From: dv
ID: 1211243
Subject: re: alkaline water

Okay, done. Supposedly I’ll hear back within 15 days.

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Date: 10/04/2018 13:39:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1211244
Subject: re: alkaline water

First four results of bingeing “alkaline water”

1. Sorry, But Alkaline Water Isn’t Actually Good for you (Men’s Health)
2. Should You Be Drinking Alkaline Water? (charlottesbook)
3. You Probably Don’t Need That Pricey Bottle of Alkaline Water (kitchn)
4. Alkaline Water Suppresses Internal Acidity (newswire)

Quote from the last one:
“… It’s nothing short of a miracle that something as seemingly simple as water can make such a huge difference in one’s overall health. Having alkaline water exclusively is the ultimate in water health so the HealthyWiser™ Alkaline Water Ionizer Machine, powered by a dual filtration system and platinum coated 9-cell electrodes, makes it possible to drink alkaline water reliably at home. Also, it is convenient to quickly bottle it up to have it on the go…”

So “newswire” is actually adwire.

Who’d have thought it?

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Date: 10/04/2018 20:33:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1211455
Subject: re: alkaline water

dv said:


Okay, done. Supposedly I’ll hear back within 15 days.

If that doesn’t work you could always try FU Tube.

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Date: 12/04/2018 19:45:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1212195
Subject: re: alkaline water

I have noticed that high pH is less damaging than low pH, and not just to metals.

It annoys me somewhat how all soft drinks and fruit juices are acid. Soaking teeth in acid is not a good idea. In fact, it’s really quite difficult to find an easily available drink that is alkaline.

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Date: 12/04/2018 19:50:10
From: buffy
ID: 1212198
Subject: re: alkaline water

Apparently green tea is alkaline.

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Date: 12/04/2018 19:52:09
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1212200
Subject: re: alkaline water

bottled hard water.

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Date: 13/04/2018 21:30:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1212625
Subject: re: alkaline water

mollwollfumble said:


I have noticed that high pH is less damaging than low pH, and not just to metals.

? f’real / legit’ ¿

eye have to disagree

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3779420/

Parul Singh, Manoj Tyagi, Yogesh Kumar, K. K. Gupta, and P. D. Sharma said:


Acids have lower than normal pH values of the human eye (7.4) they precipitate tissue protein, creating a barrier to further ocular penetration. Due to this fact acid injuries tend to be less severe than alkali injuries. One exception to this is hydrofluoric acid

picric acid is probably another one

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Date: 13/04/2018 22:36:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1212637
Subject: re: alkaline water

SCIENCE said:


mollwollfumble said:

I have noticed that high pH is less damaging than low pH, and not just to metals.

? f’real / legit’ ¿

eye have to disagree

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3779420/

Parul Singh, Manoj Tyagi, Yogesh Kumar, K. K. Gupta, and P. D. Sharma said:


Acids have lower than normal pH values of the human eye (7.4) they precipitate tissue protein, creating a barrier to further ocular penetration. Due to this fact acid injuries tend to be less severe than alkali injuries. One exception to this is hydrofluoric acid

picric acid is probably another one

Why?

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Date: 13/04/2018 22:41:13
From: btm
ID: 1212639
Subject: re: alkaline water

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

I have noticed that high pH is less damaging than low pH, and not just to metals.

? f’real / legit’ ¿

eye have to disagree

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3779420/

Parul Singh, Manoj Tyagi, Yogesh Kumar, K. K. Gupta, and P. D. Sharma said:


Acids have lower than normal pH values of the human eye (7.4) they precipitate tissue protein, creating a barrier to further ocular penetration. Due to this fact acid injuries tend to be less severe than alkali injuries. One exception to this is hydrofluoric acid

picric acid is probably another one

Why?

Picric acid is a high explosive. It does have medical application, but in small quantities.

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Date: 13/04/2018 22:53:55
From: Michael V
ID: 1212643
Subject: re: alkaline water

btm said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

picric acid is probably another one

Why?

Picric acid is a high explosive. It does have medical application, but in small quantities.

I realise picric acid is explosive. It’s not called touch-powder without a reason. Keep it in water and it’s not a problem. I have used it (for something I cannot elaborate on here). I just don’t understand what SCIENCE (the poster) is getting at. And would like him to expand on his assertion.

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Date: 14/04/2018 00:10:44
From: btm
ID: 1212759
Subject: re: alkaline water

Michael V said:


I realise picric acid is explosive. It’s not called touch-powder without a reason. Keep it in water and it’s not a problem. I have used it (for something I cannot elaborate on here). I just don’t understand what SCIENCE (the poster) is getting at. And would like him to expand on his assertion.

The “touch powder” I’ve used is definitely not picric acid; it’s nitrogen triiodide, a compund so sensitive to shock that being struck by alpha particles is enough to detonate it. Picric acid is stable enough to be used in artillery shells without detonating in the barrel, a problem nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin had.

I’ve used NI3 to make minefields for flies: put a regular square pattern of dots about 4cm apart; the pressure of a fly’s footfall on the dot is enough to detonate it. If the nearest dots are too close, they’ll detonate, too, so there’s a minimum separation. It produces a cloud of purple gas (iodine vapour) when it explodes.

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Date: 19/04/2018 20:25:14
From: Ian
ID: 1214796
Subject: re: alkaline water

Deevs of La Mancha , if you have any luck with the alkaline water campaign you might consider having a tilt at these -


Yes, it’s the utterly incredible Bio-Ionic Nano hair brush!

- Now being promoted and sold in Oz.

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Date: 19/04/2018 20:35:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 1214801
Subject: re: alkaline water

Ian said:


Deevs of La Mancha , if you have any luck with the alkaline water campaign you might consider having a tilt at these -


Yes, it’s the utterly incredible Bio-Ionic Nano hair brush!

- Now being promoted and sold in Oz.

Who has nano hair?

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