Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

It’s the question that everyone asks themselves – what might i have been if…?

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

It’s the question that everyone asks themselves – what might i have been if…?

if if and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

very old jungle saying.

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

That’s quitter talk

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

That’s quitter talk

No,this is quitter talk:

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

It’s the question that everyone asks themselves – what might i have been if…?

if if and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

very old jungle saying.

Well, I’ve always been a tinker. will have a go at anything you might want me to try and as someone who will fix your bike, put your spectacle frames back together when the optometrist wants to send away for new frames or resynch your chronograph, graft your specific cannabis variety or any other weird question you can put to me that may actually preferrably be done by other hands than yours.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

That’s quitter talk

Good. You said it. :)

It is true however that more people are born into circumstance thta has nowhere to do with where they may end up.
There are also those whom are trapped by various incidences which preclude their talents from ever reaching far more than local outreach. It is excellent for their community if their talents are noticed but even then, there are incidences of negligible interest in various individuals for whatever reasons you may wish to reconstruct.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

That’s quitter talk

Good. You said it. :)

It is true however that more people are born into circumstance thta has nowhere to do with where they may end up.
There are also those whom are trapped by various incidences which preclude their talents from ever reaching far more than local outreach. It is excellent for their community if their talents are noticed but even then, there are incidences of negligible interest in various individuals for whatever reasons you may wish to reconstruct.

I don’t agree. History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields. Also littered with people given every opportunity and not pursuing. Also many people in the acting field who come from acting families changing their names to try to ‘make it on their own’… also well to do people ending up criminals while people from ‘criminal families’ doing the opposite.
Opportunity is not a form of circumstance, it it a pursuit for those who want to run the race.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

That’s quitter talk

Good. You said it. :)

It is true however that more people are born into circumstance thta has nowhere to do with where they may end up.
There are also those whom are trapped by various incidences which preclude their talents from ever reaching far more than local outreach. It is excellent for their community if their talents are noticed but even then, there are incidences of negligible interest in various individuals for whatever reasons you may wish to reconstruct.

I don’t agree. History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields. Also littered with people given every opportunity and not pursuing. Also many people in the acting field who come from acting families changing their names to try to ‘make it on their own’… also well to do people ending up criminals while people from ‘criminal families’ doing the opposite.
Opportunity is not a form of circumstance, it it a pursuit for those who want to run the race.

OK. I’m going to reduce littered to peppered by alerting you to the incidence per capita factoid.
Wanting to run the race may always be hampered by the very circumstance this thread is about.

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

Have you been watching “Who do you think you are?” about Noni Hazelhirst tonight? She came from an acting family for three generations back.

But in two of those three generations the husband/father ran off with a showgirl. We all have our problems.

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Good. You said it. :)

It is true however that more people are born into circumstance thta has nowhere to do with where they may end up.
There are also those whom are trapped by various incidences which preclude their talents from ever reaching far more than local outreach. It is excellent for their community if their talents are noticed but even then, there are incidences of negligible interest in various individuals for whatever reasons you may wish to reconstruct.

I don’t agree. History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields. Also littered with people given every opportunity and not pursuing. Also many people in the acting field who come from acting families changing their names to try to ‘make it on their own’… also well to do people ending up criminals while people from ‘criminal families’ doing the opposite.
Opportunity is not a form of circumstance, it it a pursuit for those who want to run the race.

OK. I’m going to reduce littered to peppered by alerting you to the incidence per capita factoid.
Wanting to run the race may always be hampered by the very circumstance this thread is about.

We are the masters of our own destiny. Get on the roundabout if you want in. If you are too ‘whatever’ that’s not circumstances fault.

mollwollfumble said:

We all have our problems.

It does appear thus though Arts has pointed out that it ain’t neccessarily so.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

I don’t agree. History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields. Also littered with people given every opportunity and not pursuing. Also many people in the acting field who come from acting families changing their names to try to ‘make it on their own’… also well to do people ending up criminals while people from ‘criminal families’ doing the opposite.
Opportunity is not a form of circumstance, it it a pursuit for those who want to run the race.

OK. I’m going to reduce littered to peppered by alerting you to the incidence per capita factoid.
Wanting to run the race may always be hampered by the very circumstance this thread is about.

We are the masters of our own destiny. Get on the roundabout if you want in. If you are too ‘whatever’ that’s not circumstances fault.

Yeah but the roundabout. Now there’s a dizzy place.

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

mollwollfumble said:

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

or to be present in the circumstance.

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Sodd’s first law is:

“When a person attempts a task, he or she will be thwarted in that task by the unconscious intervention of some other presence (animate or inanimate). Nevertheless, some tasks are completed, since the intervening presence is itself attempting a task and is, of course, subject to interference.”

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

mollwollfumble said:

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Sodd’s first law is:

“When a person attempts a task, he or she will be thwarted in that task by the unconscious intervention of some other presence (animate or inanimate). Nevertheless, some tasks are completed, since the intervening presence is itself attempting a task and is, of course, subject to interference.”

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

I am not here to argue with any viewpoint on the issue. That however does not imply that I cannot agree. ;)
in such I have to also agree with Arts and others that sometimes people win and indeed it is down to dedication to a purpose at any cost. There are many many others of equal ability who may never have the means to meet the cost.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Sodd’s first law is:

“When a person attempts a task, he or she will be thwarted in that task by the unconscious intervention of some other presence (animate or inanimate). Nevertheless, some tasks are completed, since the intervening presence is itself attempting a task and is, of course, subject to interference.”

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

I am not here to argue with any viewpoint on the issue. That however does not imply that I cannot agree. ;)
in such I have to also agree with Arts and others that sometimes people win and indeed it is down to dedication to a purpose at any cost. There are many many others of equal ability who may never have the means to meet the cost.

Indeed in even the most primitive of circumstance, exists opportunity for those capable of perceiving any particular compatible niche.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields.

Yes. There’s a form of Murphy’s law that explains this. Here it is. Sodd’s first law.

Sodd’s first law is:

“When a person attempts a task, he or she will be thwarted in that task by the unconscious intervention of some other presence (animate or inanimate). Nevertheless, some tasks are completed, since the intervening presence is itself attempting a task and is, of course, subject to interference.”

Or to put it another way, you’ve got to be damn lucky.

I am not here to argue with any viewpoint on the issue. That however does not imply that I cannot agree. ;)
in such I have to also agree with Arts and others that sometimes people win and indeed it is down to dedication to a purpose at any cost. There are many many others of equal ability who may never have the means to meet the cost.

Indeed in even the most primitive of circumstance, exists opportunity for those capable of perceiving any particular compatible niche.

Each and every one of us, has our own circumstance.

I am however interested in how many were born into being able to afford to make a better circumstance?

Anyway which it is looked at, circumstance determines what we learn which may lead us to other circumstance.

if you shrink circumstance you could call it situation, shrink it further you might call it vicissitude.

lovely word that last.

lovely’s a lovely word too.

roughbarked said:

Anyway which it is looked at, circumstance determines what we learn which may lead us to other circumstance.

Which is how science attempts to fool insects before they damage crops.

transition said:

if you shrink circumstance you could call it situation, shrink it further you might call it vicissitude.

lovely word that last.

lovely’s a lovely word too.

Hang onto your lovely. ;)

There is always a circumstance.

a Scotsman who wasn’t appreciated by everybody but by circumstance could have made Billy Connolly envious, appeared to have attached himself to me by association from my relation to another who also had introduced me to this fisherman of many waters.

His advice to me was, “learn when to apply the filter”.
OK
It could be said that I still haven’t but at least I can admit it.

Bogsnorkler said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Which might make me consider making a thread about circumstance.
Sometimes it may benefit one to be born on an acting set. Children of stars often end up following the same route or not.
However, being there seems to be the circumstance one is in.
On the other hand, one may be well endeared with all the skills to be able to make use of the circumstance but otherwise be bereft of the circumstance to best suit the attributes of aptitude to that circumstance.

ie: being a born actor but never being shown a stage.

It’s the question that everyone asks themselves – what might i have been if…?

if if and ands were pots and pans there’d be no work for tinkers.

very old jungle saying.

Well, that’s it then.

When was the last time you saw a tinker at work? I’ve never seen one. Mrs V bought me a wok a few years back. It was hand beaten, so I suppose there are just a few tinkers left.

Arts said:

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

I don’t agree. History is littered with incidences of people with passions overcoming ‘circumstance’ and breaking into their fields. Also littered with people given every opportunity and not pursuing. Also many people in the acting field who come from acting families changing their names to try to ‘make it on their own’… also well to do people ending up criminals while people from ‘criminal families’ doing the opposite.
Opportunity is not a form of circumstance, it it a pursuit for those who want to run the race.

OK. I’m going to reduce littered to peppered by alerting you to the incidence per capita factoid.
Wanting to run the race may always be hampered by the very circumstance this thread is about.

We are the masters of our own destiny. Get on the roundabout if you want in. If you are too ‘whatever’ that’s not circumstances fault.

One of the talents is to not get scared off at any point along the way. I knew my destiny. I could’t achieve that because I was scared off by the bully-boy teams along the way. It’s terribly disappointing. Still (picks self up and dusts self off), I ended up here. There are truckloads worse places and circumstances one could find oneself in…

I guess I’m saying that in the rack of talents necessary for achievement is the correct psychology to achieve.

99.9999% of achievement doubtful comes with notoriety, or fame. It’s something much more mundane I would expect.

unless it’s a another class of achievement.

perhaps some ideologically influenced view of what achievement is, which raises the question of to what extent it is healthy to have it ideologically defined.

You get children (mostly in the USA) that are groomed from birth to become senators and follow in the fathers (usually) footsteps, smacks of privilege and class like they are born to the role, deserving or not.