I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Roundup or Grazeon.

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Aren’t they typical of the cottage garden?

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Roundup or Grazeon.

Roundup doesn’t work on the bigger plants very well. I should try it on the seedlings.

:)

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Aren’t they typical of the cottage garden?

Yes, And then one day it perfect stormed. The bumblebee arrived and caused 100% pollination. And the wallabies plagued and ate everything but the foxgloves.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Aren’t they typical of the cottage garden?

Yes, And then one day it perfect stormed. The bumblebee arrived and caused 100% pollination. And the wallabies plagued and ate everything but the foxgloves.

They are all through the foothills of MT Wellington.

If it’s a woody weed you’ll need something like Grazon.
It’s expensive but you might be able to get a generic brand.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Roundup or Grazeon.

Roundup doesn’t work on the bigger plants very well. I should try it on the seedlings.

Secateurs. Cut the plants and paint the cut.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

I have foxgloves seedlings coming up everywhere again. Whenever I go outside I try to pull some out but I need to think bigger.

Aren’t they typical of the cottage garden?

Yes, And then one day it perfect stormed. The bumblebee arrived and caused 100% pollination. And the wallabies plagued and ate everything but the foxgloves.

They are all through the foothills of MT Wellington.

So they are a noxious weed.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Roundup or Grazeon.

Roundup doesn’t work on the bigger plants very well. I should try it on the seedlings.

Secateurs. Cut the plants and paint the cut.

I’ll take some photos. Under each one I pull..(and you have to pull them coz they will just shoot out again from the crown) under and around each are hundreds of little ones.

So I have acres. And they are all over the adjoining blocks. And the ones down the mountain. Its probably several thousand acres in this valley. But it isn’t all my problem.

Don’t talk to me about the weeding.
At least it’s raining here today so I have an excuse for not doing it.

mollwollfumble said:

Don’t talk to me about the weeding.

No, no, please tell us more

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Roundup doesn’t work on the bigger plants very well. I should try it on the seedlings.

Secateurs. Cut the plants and paint the cut.

I’ll take some photos. Under each one I pull..(and you have to pull them coz they will just shoot out again from the crown) under and around each are hundreds of little ones.

So I have acres. And they are all over the adjoining blocks. And the ones down the mountain. Its probably several thousand acres in this valley. But it isn’t all my problem.

Don’t purchase ready made roundup, but get the concentrated form and just add water yourself. You can then make up a strength suitable for more woody plants (tells you on the label). Most importantly, add a quick squirt of dish washing liquid, which will stop the liquid on the leaf from running off and therefore be ineffective.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Don’t talk to me about the weeding.

No, no, please tell us more

mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Don’t talk to me about the weeding.

No, no, please tell us more

Only way is to cut off each leaf with a pair of scissors, so you can see the bare branches for the next stage.

Oh….. weeding….. I thought this was another wedding thread.

• Only way is to cut off each leaf with a pair of scissors, so you can see the bare branches for the next stage.

Since when was nuking it from orbit not the first option?

Woodie said:

Oh….. weeding….. I thought this was another wedding thread.

VOTE YES!

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Roundup or Grazeon.

Roundup doesn’t work on the bigger plants very well. I should try it on the seedlings.

Secateurs. Cut the plants and paint the cut.

+1
Lotsa’ work but the most effective

While it may be lovely to come across in it’s natural setting

There IS Such a Thing as Too much of a “good thing” O-8=

I weeded my garden this morning. Found some agave babies underneath the flowering thing that grows like a weed. The agave babies will go to my sister when she moves into her new house (it’s not built yet).

Special appearance by Mini Me reflected in the window.

Divine Angel said:

Special appearance by Mini Me reflected in the window.

:)

like the thread title too, whoever came up with that.

Divine Angel said:

I weeded my garden this morning. Found some agave babies underneath the flowering thing that grows like a weed. The agave babies will go to my sister when she moves into her new house (it’s not built yet).

What sort of agave? Mine flower but don’t produce babies. The Agave I had in Moorooka died once the flowering had finished.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

I weeded my garden this morning. Found some agave babies underneath the flowering thing that grows like a weed. The agave babies will go to my sister when she moves into her new house (it’s not built yet).

What sort of agave? Mine flower but don’t produce babies. The Agave I had in Moorooka died once the flowering had finished.

I see. I take it that it’s the agave in the photo.

Morning Saturdays. :)

18.7C & 50% indoors
18.7C & 58% outdoors

Trending partly cloudy

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

I weeded my garden this morning. Found some agave babies underneath the flowering thing that grows like a weed. The agave babies will go to my sister when she moves into her new house (it’s not built yet).

What sort of agave? Mine flower but don’t produce babies. The Agave I had in Moorooka died once the flowering had finished.

I see. I take it that it’s the agave in the photo.

attenuata probably

Woodie said:

Morning Saturdays. :)

18.7C & 50% indoors
18.7C & 58% outdoors

Trending partly cloudy

A good day for weeding then.

;)

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Morning Saturdays. :)

18.7C & 50% indoors
18.7C & 58% outdoors

Trending partly cloudy

A good day for weeding then.

;)

Roundup is your friend.

Woodie said:

Roundup is your friend.

Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide

Ogmog said:

Woodie said:

Roundup is your friend.

Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide

lulz

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

I weeded my garden this morning. Found some agave babies underneath the flowering thing that grows like a weed. The agave babies will go to my sister when she moves into her new house (it’s not built yet).

What sort of agave? Mine flower but don’t produce babies. The Agave I had in Moorooka died once the flowering had finished.

I’ve never seen flowers on this one.

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Divine Angel said:

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Note that it is a weed.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Note that it is a weed.

Indeed. Considering how invasive it is, I already suspected it was a weed. Interesting to note that it is endangered in Madagascar and some chemicals within the plant are used for chemotherapy and in traditional Chinese medicine.

And that’s also why I stuck it into the weeding thread.

Divine Angel said:

And that’s also why I stuck it into the weeding thread.

:)

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Note that it is a weed.

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Note that it is a weed.

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

In the lead up to St Patrick’s Day a local stoopidmarket sells pots oxalis as “lucky shamrocks”.

Morning glory is also sold as a garden plant.

To me these are weeds that need to die.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I think I found the name of my flowering plant…

https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/catharanthus_roseus.htm

Note that it is a weed.

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

Thank you for telling me what I didn’t need to know.
Please define who or what doesn’t want it there.

kii said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Note that it is a weed.

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

In the lead up to St Patrick’s Day a local stoopidmarket sells pots oxalis as “lucky shamrocks”.

Morning glory is also sold as a garden plant.

To me these are weeds that need to die.

They are essential parts of the ecosystem they evolved in and that’s where they should stay.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Note that it is a weed.

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

Please define who or what doesn’t want it there.

a person.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Weed is not a technical term. It is a colloquial bucket category for any plant growing where it is not wanted.

Please define who or what doesn’t want it there.

a person.

So the original inhabitants of the neighbourhood have no say at all?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Please define who or what doesn’t want it there.

a person.

So the original inhabitants of the neighbourhood have no say at all?

can they talk? do they understand the meaning of the word?

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

a person.

So the original inhabitants of the neighbourhood have no say at all?

can they talk? do they understand the meaning of the word?

Do they need to?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

So the original inhabitants of the neighbourhood have no say at all?

can they talk? do they understand the meaning of the word?

Do they need to?

well, if they don’t understand the concept of what a weed is i find it hard to comprehend them having a say.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

can they talk? do they understand the meaning of the word?

Do they need to?

well, if they don’t understand the concept of what a weed is i find it hard to comprehend them having a say.

If nobody asks them how would they know?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Do they need to?

well, if they don’t understand the concept of what a weed is i find it hard to comprehend them having a say.

If nobody asks them how would they know?

how do you propose we do that?

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

well, if they don’t understand the concept of what a weed is i find it hard to comprehend them having a say.

If nobody asks them how would they know?

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

If nobody asks them how would they know?

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing

what the fuck are you babbling about?

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

well, if they don’t understand the concept of what a weed is i find it hard to comprehend them having a say.

If nobody asks them how would they know?

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing and all that, seems terribly unscientific. To assume that plants and animals are incapable of informing is simply ingnorance.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing

what the fuck are you babbling about?

Pressed the button by accident.

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

If nobody asks them how would they know?

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing and all that, seems terribly unscientific. To assume that plants and animals are incapable of informing is simply ingnorance.

you are talking shit. try to follow the discussion. if your drug addled brain can cope with concentrating for more than a millisecond on one topic.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

how do you propose we do that?

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing and all that, seems terribly unscientific. To assume that plants and animals are incapable of informing is simply ingnorance.

you are talking shit. try to follow the discussion. if your drug addled brain can cope with concentrating for more than a millisecond on one topic.

and being an ignoramus makes you clever?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Isn’t that what science is for?
Chucking weeds about willy nilly without doing compatibility testing and all that, seems terribly unscientific. To assume that plants and animals are incapable of informing is simply ingnorance.

you are talking shit. try to follow the discussion. if your drug addled brain can cope with concentrating for more than a millisecond on one topic.

and being an ignoramus makes you clever?

you seem to think that way.

Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

you are talking shit. try to follow the discussion. if your drug addled brain can cope with concentrating for more than a millisecond on one topic.

and being an ignoramus makes you clever?

you seem to think that way.

Dear sir, With respect, you have no way at all of knowing. Apparitions of seemliness are made without the application of any science at all.

roughbarked said:

Thank you for telling me what I didn’t need to know.

Honestly, there’s no need to thank me. I live only to serve others.

kii said:

In the lead up to St Patrick’s Day a local stoopidmarket sells pots oxalis as “lucky shamrocks”.

Morning glory is also sold as a garden plant.

To me these are weeds that need to die.

Show us on the doll the place where the oxalis touched you.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Thank you for telling me what I didn’t need to know.

Honestly, there’s no need to thank me. I live only to serve others.

:)

dv said:

kii said:

In the lead up to St Patrick’s Day a local stoopidmarket sells pots oxalis as “lucky shamrocks”.

Morning glory is also sold as a garden plant.

To me these are weeds that need to die.

Show us on the doll the place where the oxalis touched you.

kii said:

dv said:

kii said:

In the lead up to St Patrick’s Day a local stoopidmarket sells pots oxalis as “lucky shamrocks”.

Morning glory is also sold as a garden plant.

To me these are weeds that need to die.

Show us on the doll the place where the oxalis touched you.

LOL

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

Sassafras is named after something you can make tea from.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

Looking it up it appears to be Wattleseed.

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Probably Kennedia

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

Looking it up it appears to be Wattleseed.

How many pink blossomed wattles do you know?

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

Looking it up it appears to be Wattleseed.

This has been very helpful; come the zombie apocalypse there’s one less this I’ll need to pack.

coffee

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of a bush tucker coffee.

Looking it up it appears to be Wattleseed.

Well done, that’s him.

Certain wattles are well known as food or indeed as coffee but very few of them are prostrate and virtually all of them have yellow flowers.

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

buffy said:

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

and yes. It does look like the description.

Canavalia rosea

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634#gallery

Seems to fit the description.

buffy said:

Canavalia rosea

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634#gallery

Seems to fit the description.

I agree.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

Find that hard to believe, back in the days of the gentlemen explorers they would include astronomical fixes as to location.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

Find that hard to believe, back in the days of the gentlemen explorers they would include astronomical fixes as to location.

We are talking about a cherry picked description of a plant plucked from the diary without GPS referencing.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

Find that hard to believe, back in the days of the gentlemen explorers they would include astronomical fixes as to location.

We are talking about a cherry picked description of a plant plucked from the diary without GPS referencing.

Well actually you said his diary didn’t elucidate as to his location. I find that hard to believe.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Find that hard to believe, back in the days of the gentlemen explorers they would include astronomical fixes as to location.

We are talking about a cherry picked description of a plant plucked from the diary without GPS referencing.

Well actually you said his diary didn’t elucidate as to his location. I find that hard to believe.

You didn’t see the two words, the entry. ?

Every campsite was well recorded and placed into a Google map.
It was on the Mackenzie river a little east of Emerald.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

We are talking about a cherry picked description of a plant plucked from the diary without GPS referencing.

Well actually you said his diary didn’t elucidate as to his location. I find that hard to believe.

You didn’t see the two words, the entry. ?

I did, you were making the case that the location can not be known, I don’t know of any explorer of that age who did not include in the diary locations and details like marched north x amount of miles.

Peak Warming Man said:

Every campsite was well recorded and placed into a Google map.
It was on the Mackenzie river a little east of Emerald.

Thanks.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Does this fit?

http://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2914634

(Where was the person describing it?)

Liechardt went on specific journeys but the diary entry didn’t elucidate as to the location.

Clown.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Well actually you said his diary didn’t elucidate as to his location. I find that hard to believe.

You didn’t see the two words, the entry. ?

I did, you were making the case that the location can not be known, I don’t know of any explorer of that age who did not include in the diary locations and details like marched north x amount of miles.

Complete rubbish.

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Could be a Canavalia sp.

Do you know where he was when he wrote this note?

Wiki doesn’t mention Canavalia rosea being found near Emerald.

Habitat and range
C. rosea inhabits upper beaches, cliffs, and dunes throughout the world’s coastal tropics. It is highly salt-tolerant and prefers sandy soils

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Could be a Canavalia sp.

Do you know where he was when he wrote this note?

PWM says it was near Emerald.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Could be a Canavalia sp.

Do you know where he was when he wrote this note?

PWM says it was near Emerald.

It was on the Mackenzie river a little east of Emerald.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Could be a Canavalia sp.

Do you know where he was when he wrote this note?

I see you do, thnaks. So it’s likely not the Canavalia rosea suggested by buffy. It’s a coastal species.

The first link I gave you from the Atlas of Living Australia had a map of it distribution. It’s a possibility.

There are some inland dots for C rosea on the Atlas of Living Australia map.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“In the bed of the river, which was here broad and sandy, a bean was gathered, bearing racemes of pink blossoms, and spreading its long slender stem over the ground, or twining it round shrubs and trees: its pods were from three to five inches long, and about half an inch broad, containing from four to six seeds, very similar to the horse-bean. This plant was afterwards found growing in the sandy beds, or along the bergs of almost all the broad rivers, and was always a welcome sight; for the seeds, after roasting and pounding them, afforded us a very agreeable substitute for coffee.”

From Leichardt’s diary, I’m wondering which plant is that.

Could be a Canavalia sp.

Do you know where he was when he wrote this note?

I see you do, thnaks. So it’s likely not the Canavalia rosea suggested by buffy. It’s a coastal species.

Dosn’t stop it froom being an inland species of Canavalia if one exists.

buffy said:

The first link I gave you from the Atlas of Living Australia had a map of it distribution. It’s a possibility.

Viewiing the resource data via the “view records” link doesn’t give much help.

Ah, and in the description it also says “When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee”

Books can be useful. I just got out “Wild Food Plants of Australia” by Tim Low, and looked in the index for “beans”.

buffy said:

There are some inland dots for C rosea on the Atlas of Living Australia map.

Yes but the location of those dots isn’t given.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

The first link I gave you from the Atlas of Living Australia had a map of it distribution. It’s a possibility.

Viewiing the resource data via the “view records” link doesn’t give much help.

There are a lot of records. You’d have to read them all. And I’m not going to do that. Much easier to just look at the map.

buffy said:

Ah, and in the description it also says “When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee”

Books can be useful. I just got out “Wild Food Plants of Australia” by Tim Low, and looked in the index for “beans”.

It is also stated that they are toxic.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

The first link I gave you from the Atlas of Living Australia had a map of it distribution. It’s a possibility.

Viewiing the resource data via the “view records” link doesn’t give much help.

There are a lot of records. You’d have to read them all. And I’m not going to do that. Much easier to just look at the map.

Yes and there is a possibility that it could extend up rivers from the coast.

You can go to the interactive map, bigify it and see. None of the dots are at Emerald, but there are coastal ones near there. And who knows how the current distribution compares to that of the time of Leichhardt?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ah, and in the description it also says “When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee”

Books can be useful. I just got out “Wild Food Plants of Australia” by Tim Low, and looked in the index for “beans”.

It is also stated that they are toxic.

Well, yes, but to be fair, the whole bit says”

>>Each part of the plant is often used by natives for homemade uses. Tough toxic, young seeds can be eaten after soaking, and are often done by fishermen and coastal dwellers. If roots are infused, they can be used to treat aches, pains, and rheumatism. The leaves help to relieve pain and with burns. When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee. Fresh dried flowers of C. rosea can be used in cooking as garnish or as flavoring (Britto et al 2010). Often times this plant is found alongside the Ipomoea pes-caprae (Convululaceae) the beach morning glory (Gargiullo et al 2008).<<

buffy said:

You can go to the interactive map, bigify it and see. None of the dots are at Emerald, but there are coastal ones near there. And who knows how the current distribution compares to that of the time of Leichhardt?

They are all fair points.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ah, and in the description it also says “When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee”

Books can be useful. I just got out “Wild Food Plants of Australia” by Tim Low, and looked in the index for “beans”.

It is also stated that they are toxic.

Well, yes, but to be fair, the whole bit says”

>>Each part of the plant is often used by natives for homemade uses. Tough toxic, young seeds can be eaten after soaking, and are often done by fishermen and coastal dwellers. If roots are infused, they can be used to treat aches, pains, and rheumatism. The leaves help to relieve pain and with burns. When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee. Fresh dried flowers of C. rosea can be used in cooking as garnish or as flavoring (Britto et al 2010). Often times this plant is found alongside the Ipomoea pes-caprae (Convululaceae) the beach morning glory (Gargiullo et al 2008).<<

A lot of stuff is toxic if not prepared correctly.

Anyway, the description pretty much matches what Leighardt had to say so it likely is the culprit.

I’m off outside to plant some Sturts Pea seeds.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Ah, and in the description it also says “When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee”

Books can be useful. I just got out “Wild Food Plants of Australia” by Tim Low, and looked in the index for “beans”.

It is also stated that they are toxic.

Well, yes, but to be fair, the whole bit says”

>>Each part of the plant is often used by natives for homemade uses. Tough toxic, young seeds can be eaten after soaking, and are often done by fishermen and coastal dwellers. If roots are infused, they can be used to treat aches, pains, and rheumatism. The leaves help to relieve pain and with burns. When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee. Fresh dried flowers of C. rosea can be used in cooking as garnish or as flavoring (Britto et al 2010). Often times this plant is found alongside the Ipomoea pes-caprae (Convululaceae) the beach morning glory (Gargiullo et al 2008).<<

I’m off to the beach in a couple of minutes. I’ll check out around the Ipomoea pes-caprae.

But that is not a pea flower…hang on, is that the morning glory?

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2920440

Michael V said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

It is also stated that they are toxic.

Well, yes, but to be fair, the whole bit says”

>>Each part of the plant is often used by natives for homemade uses. Tough toxic, young seeds can be eaten after soaking, and are often done by fishermen and coastal dwellers. If roots are infused, they can be used to treat aches, pains, and rheumatism. The leaves help to relieve pain and with burns. When seeds are crushed they can be used as a substitute for coffee. Fresh dried flowers of C. rosea can be used in cooking as garnish or as flavoring (Britto et al 2010). Often times this plant is found alongside the Ipomoea pes-caprae (Convululaceae) the beach morning glory (Gargiullo et al 2008).<<

I’m off to the beach in a couple of minutes. I’ll check out around the Ipomoea pes-caprae.

Canavalia rosea does indeed occur here above high tide mark and up to about ten metres above that height. It grows along side Ipomoea pes-caprae and Carpobrotus glaucescens (Pigface). It has surprisingly large leaves. I didn’t see any flowers or fruit. I had seen it before and wondered what it was, but forgot to chase it up. Thanks for the post PWM and your ID, buffy.

:)

buffy said:

But that is not a pea flower…hang on, is that the morning glory?

https://bie.ala.org.au/species/http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2920440

Yes. (Goat’s foot vine, beach morning glory. Related to sweet potato.)