roughbarked said:

Brumbies? The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.
But hey as the man said, “it iis a national park”.

well they’r‘n’t eradicating them

SCIENCE said:

well they’r‘n’t eradicating them

who said? Science says that is the compassionate program.

What do you call yourself?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Brumbies? The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.
But hey as the man said, “it iis a national park”.

What?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Brumbies? The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.
But hey as the man said, “it iis a national park”.

The high country where these horses reside is a mixture of hard rocky ground and fragile herb field that contain most of the more interesting vegetation, it is these herbfields where the horses graze and their hard hoofs sink into the soft ground and do considerable damage. This get them out of the parks pleaded by science and conservationists, as against the national heritage angle of first settlement, with their horses and the accompanying myths. Wild horses are very common in Australia, a small number even living around me. In some habitats they do relatively little damage whilst others they do are great deal. IMO they should be culled from these fragile environments to safeguard the natural integrity of these unique places.

I completely agree, PF. There is no place for wild horses in any National Park. Particularly Kosciuszko National Park. It’ll be the “New Regret”, soon.

dv: Here’s the lead story. NSW Government is to ban culling of brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park to appease the horsie-horsie set.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-20/culling-kosciousko-brumbies-banned-under-plan-national-icon/9780558

dv said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Brumbies? The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.
But hey as the man said, “it iis a national park”.

What?

are you saying?

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Brumbies? The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.
But hey as the man said, “it iis a national park”.

The high country where these horses reside is a mixture of hard rocky ground and fragile herb field that contain most of the more interesting vegetation, it is these herbfields where the horses graze and their hard hoofs sink into the soft ground and do considerable damage. This get them out of the parks pleaded by science and conservationists, as against the national heritage angle of first settlement, with their horses and the accompanying myths. Wild horses are very common in Australia, a small number even living around me. In some habitats they do relatively little damage whilst others they do are great deal. IMO they should be culled from these fragile environments to safeguard the natural integrity of these unique places.

The hoofed or and the cloven hoofed are not welcome on any Australian soil.

Michael V said:

I completely agree, PF. There is no place for wild horses in any National Park. Particularly Kosciuszko National Park. It’ll be the “New Regret”, soon.

dv: Here’s the lead story. NSW Government is to ban culling of brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park to appease the horsie-horsie set.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-20/culling-kosciousko-brumbies-banned-under-plan-national-icon/9780558

What’s the problem?

I’m sure the Federal Government will promise half a billion $ to fix the Park, at the election after next or so.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

I completely agree, PF. There is no place for wild horses in any National Park. Particularly Kosciuszko National Park. It’ll be the “New Regret”, soon.

dv: Here’s the lead story. NSW Government is to ban culling of brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park to appease the horsie-horsie set.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-20/culling-kosciousko-brumbies-banned-under-plan-national-icon/9780558

What’s the problem?

I’m sure the Federal Government will promise half a billion $ to fix the Park, at the election after next or so.

Nah, they’ll dig it up for the coal.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

I completely agree, PF. There is no place for wild horses in any National Park. Particularly Kosciuszko National Park. It’ll be the “New Regret”, soon.

dv: Here’s the lead story. NSW Government is to ban culling of brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park to appease the horsie-horsie set.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-20/culling-kosciousko-brumbies-banned-under-plan-national-icon/9780558

What’s the problem?

I’m sure the Federal Government will promise half a billion $ to fix the Park, at the election after next or so.

Nah, they’ll dig it up for the coal.

No coal in that area. A bit of banded shaley lignite around in places. But nobody wants lignite these days. Especially lignite with a lot of dirt in it.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What’s the problem?

I’m sure the Federal Government will promise half a billion $ to fix the Park, at the election after next or so.

Nah, they’ll dig it up for the coal.

No coal in that area. A bit of banded shaley lignite around in places. But nobody wants lignite these days. Especially lignite with a lot of dirt in it.

Oh well. Then they’ll open it up to keep the shooters somewhere to play.

The high country used to be farmland.

Maybe if they stopped calling them brumbies and started calling them feral horses, there’d be less sentimentality.

It’s the “sea kitten” effect.

>The brumby is topical because after all it was the colt from old regret.

1. A 130 year old poem is not topical.

2. The status of a poem or film is irrelevant to a decision to remove an introduced species from a national park.

Bubblecar said:

Maybe if they stopped calling them brumbies and started calling them feral horses, there’d be less sentimentality.

It’s the “sea kitten” effect.

I could say a lot here – though I’ve never heard of a “sea kitten”. Oh I see, invented by PETA.

I have four names for a particular species of bird, depending on how I feel about it at a particular point in time. I either call it:

• Feral pigeon
• Domestic pigeon
• Rock dove
• Columba livia
  Of the four, I prefer “domestic pigeon”.

On the cooking channel there was a name that escaped me that sounded quite tempting to eat, sea loin or suchlike. It turned out to be porpoise.

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

Maybe if they stopped calling them brumbies and started calling them feral horses, there’d be less sentimentality.

It’s the “sea kitten” effect.

I could say a lot here – though I’ve never heard of a “sea kitten”. Oh I see, invented by PETA.

I have four names for a particular species of bird, depending on how I feel about it at a particular point in time. I either call it:

• Feral pigeon
• Domestic pigeon
• Rock dove
• Columba livia
  Of the four, I prefer “domestic pigeon”.

On the cooking channel there was a name that escaped me that sounded quite tempting to eat, sea loin or suchlike. It turned out to be porpoise.

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

Domestic pigeon seems an odd choice to me, considering most of them are wild and its an invasive species.

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

Maybe if they stopped calling them brumbies and started calling them feral horses, there’d be less sentimentality.

It’s the “sea kitten” effect.

I could say a lot here – though I’ve never heard of a “sea kitten”. Oh I see, invented by PETA.

I have four names for a particular species of bird, depending on how I feel about it at a particular point in time. I either call it:

• Feral pigeon
• Domestic pigeon
• Rock dove
• Columba livia
  Of the four, I prefer “domestic pigeon”.

On the cooking channel there was a name that escaped me that sounded quite tempting to eat, sea loin or suchlike. It turned out to be porpoise.

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

The scientists are calling them feral horses and anyway there’s millions of brumbies everywhere else so it isn’t as iff culling the ones in National Parks is going to wipe them out.

mollwollfumble said:

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

You haven’t heard of the gambling industry then, racing horses is one of the major ways they draw the lots in the betting.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

You haven’t heard of the gambling industry then, racing horses is one of the major ways they draw the lots in the betting.

Doesn’t make it a non-useful thing.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

I could also add that horses in general are completely useless in most countries. It’s a wonder that so much farmland is wasted on keeping them.

You haven’t heard of the gambling industry then, racing horses is one of the major ways they draw the lots in the betting.

Doesn’t make it a useful thing.

fixed.

Victoria seems to be trying to do the right thing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-02/victoria-to-remove-feral-horses-brumbies-alpine-national-park/9827936

Not enough, but it’s a start.

Michael V said:

Victoria seems to be trying to do the right thing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-02/victoria-to-remove-feral-horses-brumbies-alpine-national-park/9827936

Not enough, but it’s a start.

NSW government can push a heap over the border… Win/win

:)

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Victoria seems to be trying to do the right thing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-02/victoria-to-remove-feral-horses-brumbies-alpine-national-park/9827936

Not enough, but it’s a start.

NSW government can push a heap over the border… Win/win

:)

I was thinking that might occur.

I cannot believe they have not yet enacted the 2016 Draft Management Plan which was already a compromise, allowing for 600 feral horses to live in KNP.

Here’s a good summary of the issues and well worth the read

https://johnmenadue.com/graeme-worboys-save-kosciuszko/

ISC has more info. on their website for anyone wanting to take action

https://invasives.org.au/

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Victoria seems to be trying to do the right thing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-02/victoria-to-remove-feral-horses-brumbies-alpine-national-park/9827936

Not enough, but it’s a start.

NSW government can push a heap over the border… Win/win

:)

I was thinking that might occur.

Think it might be the other way round with the Victorian brumbies heading for NSW once the shooting starts.

there are few brumbies at Callala beach in the scrub and nearby the township there. South Coast NSW.

monkey skipper said:

there are few brumbies at Callala beach in the scrub and nearby the township there. South Coast NSW.

They are all over the place and do a lot of damage with their hooves and piles of droppings.

monkey skipper said:

there are few brumbies at Callala beach in the scrub and nearby the township there. South Coast NSW.

Quite a few in the pine forests between us and Gympie (well, 30 – 50 km away, anyhow). Big shiny black beasts.

Then there is this…

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/30/17/44/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions

Speedy said:

Then there is this…

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/30/17/44/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions

Not bad investment for $10K, an entire National Park to run your business.

PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

Then there is this…

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/30/17/44/brumby-call-storm-as-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-faces-accusations-over-dontions

Not bad investment for $10K, an entire National Park to run your business.

Yeah.

Good thing it doesn’t smell like corruption…

The Bill was passed unchanged :(

Speedy said:

The Bill was passed unchanged :(

Bug-rem. Bloody idiots.

There was a letter in the SMH this week saying that deer were the real problem, because there are tens of thousand of them, but only a few hundred horses.

Comments?

The Rev Dodgson said:

There was a letter in the SMH this week saying that deer were the real problem, because there are tens of thousand of them, but only a few hundred horses.

Comments?

I have no problem harvesting and eating them too. No problems. Nice soft Bambi meat.

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There was a letter in the SMH this week saying that deer were the real problem, because there are tens of thousand of them, but only a few hundred horses.

Comments?

I have no problem harvesting and eating them too. No problems. Nice soft Bambi meat.

Yes, it’s not an either/or thing.

I just wondered why we never hear about the deer if they are a significant part of the problem.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There was a letter in the SMH this week saying that deer were the real problem, because there are tens of thousand of them, but only a few hundred horses.

Comments?

I have no problem harvesting and eating them too. No problems. Nice soft Bambi meat.

Yes, it’s not an either/or thing.

I just wondered why we never hear about the deer if they are a significant part of the problem.

Horse people are weird and vocal is why.

There are currently deer eradication programs in place.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There was a letter in the SMH this week saying that deer were the real problem, because there are tens of thousand of them, but only a few hundred horses.

Comments?

I have no problem harvesting and eating them too. No problems. Nice soft Bambi meat.

Yes, it’s not an either/or thing.

I just wondered why we never hear about the deer if they are a significant part of the problem.

Deer are light weight animals compared to brumbies?

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

I have no problem harvesting and eating them too. No problems. Nice soft Bambi meat.

Yes, it’s not an either/or thing.

I just wondered why we never hear about the deer if they are a significant part of the problem.

Deer are light weight animals compared to brumbies?

Yeah, but if you have 100 deer to every horse, they probably do more damage.

But as Polik said, it’s probably just a horse bloke making out that the real problem is deer, when in fact that problem is being addressed.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes, it’s not an either/or thing.

I just wondered why we never hear about the deer if they are a significant part of the problem.

Deer are light weight animals compared to brumbies?

Yeah, but if you have 100 deer to every horse, they probably do more damage.

But as Polik said, it’s probably just a horse bloke making out that the real problem is deer, when in fact that problem is being addressed.

Without checking, poik’s comment makes sense. Some people do get their knickers in a knot over horses. I see horses as producing garden manure for vegetables, and as a potential source of protein. Deer, too.

:)

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Damn good letter.

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

What do the hunters do with the carcass?

Peak Warming Man said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

!https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfDV1bdUwAAgInn.jp

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

What do the hunters do with the carcass?

Some eat it, some take the skin, some take the antlers, sometimes all of it, and some leave it there to turn to dirt.

I have some rocks thst had some umbrella plants growing on them, look a bit like bonsai, two died whilst I was in hospital. I ordered some airplants thinking they could look after themselves. Just glued some to the rocks and I will make a wire arrangement later for the Spanish moss.

What I have found out though is that they need regular misting so purchased a little spray bottle but might have to rethink and maybe grow moss instead.

I return you to your sheduled program.

AwesomeO said:

I have some rocks thst had some umbrella plants growing on them, look a bit like bonsai, two died whilst I was in hospital. I ordered some airplants thinking they could look after themselves. Just glued some to the rocks and I will make a wire arrangement later for the Spanish moss.

What I have found out though is that they need regular misting so purchased a little spray bottle but might have to rethink and maybe grow moss instead.

Even moss require moisture.

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

There have been many such letters in recent years, but they are all ignored. The only way is to vote the bastards out, but people have such short memories.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

Nonsense, he didn’t even use the words “get fucked”.

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

Damn those human scientists!!!

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

the only ‘highly emotional’ part was the “that ends now – I resign” but.. the rest is perfectly cromulent

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

There have been numerous scientific papers on the subject, none of which has made any affect.

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

Nonsense, he didn’t even use the words “get fucked”.

or a crayon.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

Nonsense, he didn’t even use the words “get fucked”.

or a crayon.

Perhaps if he had used crayon before the minister might have read his advice.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Nonsense, he didn’t even use the words “get fucked”.

or a crayon.

Perhaps if he had used crayon earlier, the minister might have read his advice.

fixed

mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Speedy said:

This scientist is peeved.

Deer numbers have exploded in the NP in recent years, but they are being somewhat managed as a hunting resource. It’s not ideal, but it is something. A ranger told me a few weeks ago that the number of light-coloured deer has reduced as they are easier to hunt. Hunters have been instructed to try to target the darker coloured ones.

Good on him. Well expressed.

Not well expressed. Highly emotional and pejorative language, unbefitting of a professional scientist.

I disagree.

The language is certainly pejorative. Not to be pejorative would be most inappropriate under the circumstances.

It certainly isn’t unduly emotional. I’d say it was quite understated.