Date: 13/06/2018 11:50:58
From: transition
ID: 1239070
Subject: proximate mechanism for survival

true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

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Date: 13/06/2018 12:05:40
From: Cymek
ID: 1239073
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

transition said:


true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

Considering love and nurturing probably come down to hormone release its not overly remarkable or perhaps it is.
Would you prefer to see something coming to kill you or not as in from behind

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Date: 13/06/2018 12:36:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1239080
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

transition said:


true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

Sometims it is full frontal.

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Date: 13/06/2018 12:46:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1239084
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

transition said:


true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

I don’t know.

But I was reminded of this song (which I’m sure I have quoted here before):

Where will you stay
While rivers run and days eat days
And white stars are pining
In hopes more true, in hearts more gay
In love that is brighter and stronger that day
In hands that heal, in thoughts that play
In all eyes shining

Why do we talk of go and stay?
We will all be here til here is there

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Date: 13/06/2018 13:16:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1239111
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

transition said:


true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

Isn’t the direction it comes from unpredictable?

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Date: 13/06/2018 13:20:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1239115
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

All this talk of death creeping up and hitting you from behind made me go and look up the lyrics to “Going to California”.

I have now discovered that is exactly what the song is about. Never payed much attention to the words before.

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Date: 13/06/2018 13:27:45
From: Ian
ID: 1239121
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

The Rev Dodgson said:


All this talk of death creeping up and hitting you from behind made me go and look up the lyrics to “Going to California”.

I have now discovered that is exactly what the song is about. Never payed much attention to the words before.

Lusting after a foetus? Well it was Zep… 70s.

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Date: 13/06/2018 13:30:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1239125
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

All this talk of death creeping up and hitting you from behind made me go and look up the lyrics to “Going to California”.

I have now discovered that is exactly what the song is about. Never payed much attention to the words before.

Lusting after a foetus? Well it was Zep… 70s.

Different song I think. James Taylor.

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Date: 13/06/2018 13:43:43
From: transition
ID: 1239133
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

mollwollfumble said:


transition said:

true isn’t‘t, you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you

that doesn’t seem terribly remarkable

what’s interesting though is the question of from where it approaches. I think behind.

Isn’t the direction it comes from unpredictable?

yes, the time too, importantly, hence the behind.

the conditions of it being a certainty originate of the past.

anyway, in context, I was toying with the difference between AI (simulating a brain, from chat), that gadgets don’t have any sense of such things, yet feature as distractions for humans.

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Date: 13/06/2018 16:05:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1239170
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

> you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you.

You do realise that this applies even more to plants than humans?

A stressed plant will often put as much energy into reproduction as it can.

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Date: 13/06/2018 16:14:13
From: Cymek
ID: 1239171
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

mollwollfumble said:


> you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you.

You do realise that this applies even more to plants than humans?

A stressed plant will often put as much energy into reproduction as it can.

Yes go to fruit instead of growing big and strong

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Date: 13/06/2018 16:28:56
From: transition
ID: 1239173
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

mollwollfumble said:


> you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you.

You do realise that this applies even more to plants than humans?

A stressed plant will often put as much energy into reproduction as it can.

it’s certainly a bit of theme about organic life, and expressed in the instincts of man.

the psychology’s interesting, indicative of mechanisms, that’s why I mentioned mind as proximate mechanism for survival.

awareness or knowledge of the finite life, and of motivations so inclined is what i’m getting at.

humans nurture all sorts, not just their own kind, or organic life more generally, but technology too. Add art.

AI has no sense of the finite life, what it may mean, which is a personal business, a private business even, of any individual I. There are of course socialized aspects, or dimensions, if you will.

i’m pondering the technological distractions.

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Date: 13/06/2018 16:34:21
From: Cymek
ID: 1239175
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

transition said:


mollwollfumble said:

> you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you.

You do realise that this applies even more to plants than humans?

A stressed plant will often put as much energy into reproduction as it can.

it’s certainly a bit of theme about organic life, and expressed in the instincts of man.

the psychology’s interesting, indicative of mechanisms, that’s why I mentioned mind as proximate mechanism for survival.

awareness or knowledge of the finite life, and of motivations so inclined is what i’m getting at.

humans nurture all sorts, not just their own kind, or organic life more generally, but technology too. Add art.

AI has no sense of the finite life, what it may mean, which is a personal business, a private business even, of any individual I. There are of course socialized aspects, or dimensions, if you will.

i’m pondering the technological distractions.

If we didn’t have technological distractions and the search for knowledge then its all just keeping our diluted genetic code alive

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Date: 13/06/2018 16:37:26
From: transition
ID: 1239178
Subject: re: proximate mechanism for survival

Cymek said:


transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

> you’re motivated to love and nurture because something else is coming up behind you and going to kill you.

You do realise that this applies even more to plants than humans?

A stressed plant will often put as much energy into reproduction as it can.

it’s certainly a bit of theme about organic life, and expressed in the instincts of man.

the psychology’s interesting, indicative of mechanisms, that’s why I mentioned mind as proximate mechanism for survival.

awareness or knowledge of the finite life, and of motivations so inclined is what i’m getting at.

humans nurture all sorts, not just their own kind, or organic life more generally, but technology too. Add art.

AI has no sense of the finite life, what it may mean, which is a personal business, a private business even, of any individual I. There are of course socialized aspects, or dimensions, if you will.

i’m pondering the technological distractions.

If we didn’t have technological distractions and the search for knowledge then its all just keeping our diluted genetic code alive

yeah nah didn’t say it was bad.

everyone needs distractions.

certainty some scope for hijacking though.

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