there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.
makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
I like to think of “intelligence” as an alphabet in search of a host body.
The other thing an alphabet is doing is evolving – from smell language to sign language to phonemes to printed letters to ascii.
But you’re thinking more of toddlers. In that case, what the alphabet is doing is searching for a combination of muscle movements that will result in their reproduction. And cycling around and colliding and combining in memory.
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Nobody knows.
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Neural pathway development maybe
Cymek said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Neural pathway development maybe
+1
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Neural pathway development maybe
+1
Too simple an explanation, cause and effect works both ways here, there’s a positive feedback loop.
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:Neural pathway development maybe
+1
Too simple an explanation, cause and effect works both ways here, there’s a positive feedback loop.
ok, Neural pathway development created by ongoing sensory perception allowing a positive feedback loop to interact with the external environment ?
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
The dominant hemisphere (dominant by definition, the left hemisphere in most people) contains several structures specialized for language. Wernicke’s area is the brain’s dictionary – it translates words into concepts and concepts into words. When you are trying to think of a specific word for something – that process is taking place in Wernicke’s area. There is also specialized cortex that processes auditory information, translating sounds into words, and feeding that information to Wernicke’s area. In the frontal lobe there is Broca’s area that converts words into speech – essentially this is specialized motor cortex that allows for the exquisite control of the muscles of speech necessary to produce the subtle sounds of speech. Wernicke’s area and Broca’s area are connected by a cable called the arcuate fasciculus.
It has also been known for a long time that the language cortex develops when we are very young, beginning in infancy and then pretty much locking in place by the time we are four years old. This is the “window” of development for language. For children who are raised without exposure to language by age four, they will never acquire normal fluency. If you normally developed a primary language, and then learn a second language after age four, the second language will use more brain resources – it won’t have the same language cortex encoding that the primary language does.
This window of development also applies to phonemes – the individual sounds that make up words. We learn a finite number of phonemes by age four, and then we are pretty much stuck with that set of language sounds. Children as young as 8-10 months old start to learn how to distinguish sounds that are part of speech from other sounds, and the speech sounds (phonemes) become encoded in the language cortex. After about four years old no new phonemes can be learned, and every speech sound we hear from that point forward will be slotted into an existing phoneme.
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-bilingual-brain/
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:Neural pathway development maybe
+1
Too simple an explanation, cause and effect works both ways here, there’s a positive feedback loop.
Nothing perhaps in some sort of powered down mode
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Nobody knows.
how’s that work then, like you’re convinced by the magic of it.
good as isn’t it, magic?
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
Nobody knows.
how’s that work then, like you’re convinced by the magic of it.
good as isn’t it, magic?
There is nothing magical about evolution being a bootstrap algorithmic process
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Nobody knows.
how’s that work then, like you’re convinced by the magic of it.
good as isn’t it, magic?
There is nothing magical about evolution being a bootstrap algorithmic process
The whole universe is also a boot strap algorithmic process amongst other definitions .
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:how’s that work then, like you’re convinced by the magic of it.
good as isn’t it, magic?
There is nothing magical about evolution being a bootstrap algorithmic process
The whole universe is also a boot strap algorithmic process amongst other definitions .
sounds like a wordy load of shit, neutrino.
the experience of it is like magic. NFI of what goes into it.
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:There is nothing magical about evolution being a bootstrap algorithmic process
The whole universe is also a boot strap algorithmic process amongst other definitions .
sounds like a wordy load of shit, neutrino.
the experience of it is like magic. NFI of what goes into it.
I dont care what you think of it
There is no magic, and no imagined spaces, but if you feel its magic, then good on you.
You can always find out what goes into it.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The whole universe is also a boot strap algorithmic process amongst other definitions .
sounds like a wordy load of shit, neutrino.
the experience of it is like magic. NFI of what goes into it.
I dont care what you think of it
There is no magic, and no imagined spaces, but if you feel its magic, then good on you.
You can always find out what goes into it.
you’re enjoying the magic.
I bet the definition of magic fits
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:sounds like a wordy load of shit, neutrino.
the experience of it is like magic. NFI of what goes into it.
I dont care what you think of it
There is no magic, and no imagined spaces, but if you feel its magic, then good on you.
You can always find out what goes into it.
you’re enjoying the magic.
I bet the definition of magic fits
no
and
no
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
there is no movement without rhythm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPLIuBy9CY
Ogmog said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
there is no movement without rhythm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPLIuBy9CY
I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I dont care what you think of it
There is no magic, and no imagined spaces, but if you feel its magic, then good on you.
You can always find out what goes into it.
you’re enjoying the magic.
I bet the definition of magic fits
no
and
no
I can’t help feeling that this discussion is getting just a little either-orist.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ogmog said:
transition said:
there’s an alphabet in there somewhere, words, apparently looking for something to do.makes you wonder what they’re doing in their idle time.
concepts, word-concepts too.
how’s that all work?
there is no movement without rhythm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPLIuBy9CY
I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Ditto.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ogmog said:there is no movement without rhythm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPLIuBy9CY
I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Ditto.
Actually, the statement works when applied to clockwork.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Ditto.
Actually, the statement works when applied to clockwork.
Also when reversed :)
Has anyone answered the vaguely asked question?
I could, but after reading the thread I think I might go make something for dinner.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Ditto.
Actually, the statement works when applied to clockwork.
Also when reversed :)
indeed. :)
kii said:
Has anyone answered the vaguely asked question?I could, but after reading the thread I think I might go make something for dinner.
Several people did, but no-one in a way that anyone else approved of.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Has anyone answered the vaguely asked question?I could, but after reading the thread I think I might go make something for dinner.
Several people did, but no-one in a way that anyone else approved of.
Why seek approval?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
Has anyone answered the vaguely asked question?I could, but after reading the thread I think I might go make something for dinner.
Several people did, but no-one in a way that anyone else approved of.
Why seek approval?
Good question.
If partaking in a discussion forum is to seek new ideas, then approval is the last thing we want.
Literally.
Another musical link (sort of) relevant to this thread:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Several people did, but no-one in a way that anyone else approved of.
Why seek approval?
Good question.
If partaking in a discussion forum is to seek new ideas, then approval is the last thing we want.
Literally.
Indeed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Some good rhythms, I’ll join in with the tambourine later.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I don’t normally approve of youtubes with > 10 million views, but I love that one.
Some good rhythms, I’ll join in with the tambourine later.
Take it with you on your daily walk :)