Date: 2/07/2018 19:05:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247493
Subject: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Religion has been a part of humanity since the first astronomers peered into the sky and created elaborate stories to define the movements of our universe. It made its way into our minds as we fearfully created devils and demons to explain the danger lurking in the darkness of night. It has both enchanted and burdened us as we attempt to define our world with the information available to us as we work our way through history.

1.) The assumption of truth.

2.) The promise of reward.

3.) The superiority complex.

4.) The usefulness of control.

5.) The distraction of division.

6.) The threat of theocracy.

7.) The illusion of love.

8.) Justification for inequality.

9.) The subjugation of advancement.

10.) The fear of “end times”.

11.) The oppression of terror.

more…

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:22:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1247503
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Tau.Neutrino said:


11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Religion has been a part of humanity since the first astronomers peered into the sky and created elaborate stories to define the movements of our universe. It made its way into our minds as we fearfully created devils and demons to explain the danger lurking in the darkness of night. It has both enchanted and burdened us as we attempt to define our world with the information available to us as we work our way through history.

1.) The assumption of truth.

2.) The promise of reward.

3.) The superiority complex.

4.) The usefulness of control.

5.) The distraction of division.

6.) The threat of theocracy.

7.) The illusion of love.

8.) Justification for inequality.

9.) The subjugation of advancement.

10.) The fear of “end times”.

11.) The oppression of terror.

more…


Please prove to me, scientifically, that religion exists.

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:36:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247509
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Religion has been a part of humanity since the first astronomers peered into the sky and created elaborate stories to define the movements of our universe. It made its way into our minds as we fearfully created devils and demons to explain the danger lurking in the darkness of night. It has both enchanted and burdened us as we attempt to define our world with the information available to us as we work our way through history.

1.) The assumption of truth.

2.) The promise of reward.

3.) The superiority complex.

4.) The usefulness of control.

5.) The distraction of division.

6.) The threat of theocracy.

7.) The illusion of love.

8.) Justification for inequality.

9.) The subjugation of advancement.

10.) The fear of “end times”.

11.) The oppression of terror.

more…


Please prove to me, scientifically, that religion exists.

Isn’t that like saying prove that spirituality exists?

What would proving religion exists involve ?

A consensus asking specifically that question ?

Looking around the web there are lots of articles on the subject

Does Religion Exist?
http://www.worldhistory.biz/ancient-history/60288-does-religion-exist.html

Does Religion Exist?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/03/does-religion-exist/

Why do religions exist and what is their purpose to society?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-religions-exist-and-what-is-their-purpose-to-society

Why Does Religion Exist?
https://www.thoughtco.com/why-does-religion-exist-250557

Will religion ever disappear
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:38:12
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247513
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

What are the three main types of religion?
www.arabamericanmuseum.org/umages/IMLS_religion_exhibit/3f_home.html

Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the three major monotheistic religions, all originated in what is known today as the Arab World. Monotheism literally means “the belief in only one God”. The central values of family, charity, and respect for others are shared by these three religions.

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:39:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247514
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

The world’s 20 largest religions and their number of believers are:

Christianity (2.1 billion) Islam (1.3 billion) Nonreligious (Secular/Agnostic/Atheist) (1.1 billion) Hinduism (900 million) Chinese traditional religion (394 million) Buddhism 376 million. Primal-indigenous (300 million)

from
What are the most widely practiced religions of the world?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/06/the_odd_body_religion/

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:40:22
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247515
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Religion may be defined as a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements. However, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Different religions may or may not contain various elements ranging from the divine, sacred things, faith, a supernatural being or supernatural beings or “some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life”. Religious practices may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of deities), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. Religions have sacred histories and narratives, which may be preserved in sacred scriptures, and symbols and holy places, that aim mostly to give a meaning to life. Religions may contain symbolic stories, which are sometimes said by followers to be true, that have the side purpose of explaining the origin of life, the universe, and other things. Traditionally, faith, in addition to reason, has been considered a source of religious beliefs.

There are an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide, but about 84% of the world’s population is affiliated with one of the five largest religions, namely Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or forms of folk religion. The religiously unaffiliated demographic includes those who do not identify with any particular religion, atheists and agnostics. While the religiously unaffiliated have grown globally, many of the religiously unaffiliated still have various religious beliefs.

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:43:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247518
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Why is there a problem defining religion ?

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:46:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1247520
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Tau.Neutrino said:

There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Why is there a problem defining religion ?

There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Is it because God cannot be scientifically proved or are there other reasons?

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:47:36
From: Arts
ID: 1247521
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Why is there a problem defining religion ?

There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Is it because God cannot be scientifically proved or are there other reasons?

it’s the vibe

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Date: 2/07/2018 19:48:26
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1247522
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Tau.Neutrino said:


What are the three main types of religion?
www.arabamericanmuseum.org/umages/IMLS_religion_exhibit/3f_home.html

Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the three major monotheistic religions, all originated in what is known today as the Arab World. Monotheism literally means “the belief in only one God”. The central values of family, charity, and respect for others are shared by these three religions.

I would say the three types are monotheism, animism, and dualism.

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Date: 2/07/2018 20:01:17
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1247527
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Religion has been a part of humanity since the first astronomers peered into the sky and created elaborate stories to define the movements of our universe. It made its way into our minds as we fearfully created devils and demons to explain the danger lurking in the darkness of night. It has both enchanted and burdened us as we attempt to define our world with the information available to us as we work our way through history.

1.) The assumption of truth.

2.) The promise of reward.

3.) The superiority complex.

4.) The usefulness of control.

5.) The distraction of division.

6.) The threat of theocracy.

7.) The illusion of love.

8.) Justification for inequality.

9.) The subjugation of advancement.

10.) The fear of “end times”.

11.) The oppression of terror.

more…


Please prove to me, scientifically, that religion exists.

Isn’t that like saying prove that spirituality exists?

What would proving religion exists involve ?

A consensus asking specifically that question ?

Looking around the web there are lots of articles on the subject

Does Religion Exist?
http://www.worldhistory.biz/ancient-history/60288-does-religion-exist.html

Does Religion Exist?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/03/does-religion-exist/

Why do religions exist and what is their purpose to society?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-religions-exist-and-what-is-their-purpose-to-society

Why Does Religion Exist?
https://www.thoughtco.com/why-does-religion-exist-250557

Will religion ever disappear
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear

Thanks for those links. From the first link:

“While most modern theorists of religion accept that a dialectic exists between ritual and religion,”

Brushing teeth is a ritual, but it isn’t a religion.

“Asad argues that the concept of religion is derived from nineteenth-century European understandings of secularism.”

Interesting.

“By creating a category of human experience called religion, Asad argues, anthropologists made two fundamental mistakes. First, they removed power and contestation from the analysis of religion; religion became a disembodied structural phenomena. Second, anthropologists universalized this problematic category onto all societies in the world. In so doing, they ascribed a problematic category for understanding Western religion into contexts in which the concept of religion, or often even the word religion, was completely lacking.”

I find myself agreeing with this. Not entirely agreeing, because I’ve read Herodotus, but mostly agreeing.

“Before studying non-Western religions, colonial scholars first attempted to identify the religious elements of non-Western societies.”

Agree. Almost all colonial scholars were missionaries, which made them invent native religions where none was present.

“Severin Fowles (2013) has used Asad’s insights to reinterpret the Pueblo religion in the southwestern United States”.

Good on him!

“some archaeologists following a more structural perspective do the opposite; they expand the concept of religion to include almost everything. By rejecting the Durkheimian distinction between the sacred and the profane, they begin to equate religion and culture.”

Feel free to redefine religion as much as you like, you’re agreeing that the “sacred” aspect of religion doesn’t exist.

“The problem with this perspective is the growing recognition that some societies, even traditional societies, have only a limited interest in things religious”.

Yep.

“Once we reject the idea that the only function of ritual is to communicate religious beliefs”

Yep, sometimes it’s for brushing teeth. Or, as the article says, for the making of utilitarian metal objects.

“While seemingly contradictory, I see value in all of these different modern perspectives on what religion is or is not.”

I agree.

Now, back to the original post, it is not religion that is destroying humanity, it is lies.

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Date: 2/07/2018 21:29:14
From: transition
ID: 1247550
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Humans are naturally receptive to environment/culture, it’s part of our biology. Social environments of past selected for it. The less receptive of our ancestors got to breed less. There are also those over-receptive in some ways. It’s a mixed bag, and makes for broad selection options.

Like young Gog over there otherside the camp fire’s not much gifted, but worse he has little appreciation of the varied gifts of the individuals making up the group, he has to be retaught every day not to shit in the entrance to the cave.

A few others joined in too, seeing it was convenient. Before long there was a mountain of excrement starting to block the cave entrance.

Quite a few had moved out by then, tired of the stench, and in their travels had developed a new appreciation of the sky and stars, the fresh air, wanted for a bigger picture.

Faced with uncertainties they built homes of ideas, beliefs, ways, to elevate their natures.

There’s been steady progress, now you go over and shit in the entrance to the neighbor’s cave.

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Date: 3/07/2018 09:20:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1247718
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


Humans are naturally receptive to environment/culture, it’s part of our biology. Social environments of past selected for it. The less receptive of our ancestors got to breed less. There are also those over-receptive in some ways. It’s a mixed bag, and makes for broad selection options.

Like young Gog over there otherside the camp fire’s not much gifted, but worse he has little appreciation of the varied gifts of the individuals making up the group, he has to be retaught every day not to shit in the entrance to the cave.

A few others joined in too, seeing it was convenient. Before long there was a mountain of excrement starting to block the cave entrance.

Quite a few had moved out by then, tired of the stench, and in their travels had developed a new appreciation of the sky and stars, the fresh air, wanted for a bigger picture.

Faced with uncertainties they built homes of ideas, beliefs, ways, to elevate their natures.

There’s been steady progress, now you go over and shit in the entrance to the neighbor’s cave.

Very profound. Oversimplified perhaps.

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Date: 3/07/2018 09:52:49
From: transition
ID: 1247728
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

>Very profound. Oversimplified perhaps.

certainly oversimplified, to the point of being grotesque.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:17:34
From: Cymek
ID: 1247735
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:25:54
From: transition
ID: 1247736
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

>Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

lot of science is theoretical (speculative, indulge your pet theory) defies even physicalism, or heathen reduction.

>I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

that is interesting.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:26:55
From: Cymek
ID: 1247737
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Cymek said:


Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

I’d never become religious or spiritual as it goes against my core personality and everything that defines how I think and act.
I’m astonished people believe in such nonsense, I won’t interfere in that belief unless they try to impose it on me or it’s used to justify some repressive action, then it’s game on.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:31:17
From: Cymek
ID: 1247738
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


>Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

lot of science is theoretical (speculative, indulge your pet theory) defies even physicalism, or heathen reduction.

>I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

that is interesting.

The point about some science being a pet theory is quite true, they do try to proof if they can and a good scientist should say it’s my belief and not necessarily correct.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:39:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1247739
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


>Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

lot of science is theoretical (speculative, indulge your pet theory) defies even physicalism, or heathen reduction.

>I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

that is interesting.

Religion used to or maybe it still does (would face a big backlash if they did) say homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book that wasn’t even the original and rewritten to suit some agenda. Did the religious authority even talk to a gay person let alone gay persons or just make some judgement and that’s it for hundreds of years and expect it’s followers to obey. Most did and if you questioned it you were bad. Any sensible person wouldn’t care if someone was gay they aren’t hurting anyone, it’s not your business anyway and you can dislike them as a person but not for being gay.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:39:32
From: transition
ID: 1247740
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

>The point about some science being a pet theory is quite true, they do try to proof if they can and a good scientist should say it’s my belief and not necessarily correct.

heathen reduction is a type of decadence.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:40:36
From: transition
ID: 1247742
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

>homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book

like the DSM not so far back?

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:46:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1247744
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Cymek said:


transition said:

>Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

lot of science is theoretical (speculative, indulge your pet theory) defies even physicalism, or heathen reduction.

>I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

that is interesting.

Religion used to or maybe it still does (would face a big backlash if they did) say homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book that wasn’t even the original and rewritten to suit some agenda. Did the religious authority even talk to a gay person let alone gay persons or just make some judgement and that’s it for hundreds of years and expect it’s followers to obey. Most did and if you questioned it you were bad. Any sensible person wouldn’t care if someone was gay they aren’t hurting anyone, it’s not your business anyway and you can dislike them as a person but not for being gay.

Most religions are very conservative institutions so it’s not surprising that they have historically been opposed to homosexuality. They’ve been misogynistic until recently too. It’s the modern secular, meritocratic, non-discriminatory society that is historically novel.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:47:31
From: Cymek
ID: 1247745
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


>homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book

like the DSM not so far back?

I forgot that good point, I wonder what it was based on, over simplified idea of human behaviour and sexuality perhaps.
Psychological diagnosis is interesting, quite biased if you deviate from the norm (the norm not exactly being healthy going by the population of the planet) but that seem to be ok. Whilst you shouldn’t diagnose yourself I fit into a somewhat schizoid personality disorder, not that interested in relationships of any type and feel removed from the world like I’m an observer, I find the obsession with relationships unhealthy like its wrong to be alone.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:52:23
From: transition
ID: 1247748
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

transition said:

>Because religion is based on faith and belief and not proof/evidence anyone can make something up and claim its my religion and don’t you tell me its wrong. Can’t disprove it so they claim it’s real even though the burden of proof is on them.

lot of science is theoretical (speculative, indulge your pet theory) defies even physicalism, or heathen reduction.

>I also wonder if people like to give up morality and let someone else tell them right and wrong when you need to do the hard thinking yourself.

that is interesting.

Religion used to or maybe it still does (would face a big backlash if they did) say homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book that wasn’t even the original and rewritten to suit some agenda. Did the religious authority even talk to a gay person let alone gay persons or just make some judgement and that’s it for hundreds of years and expect it’s followers to obey. Most did and if you questioned it you were bad. Any sensible person wouldn’t care if someone was gay they aren’t hurting anyone, it’s not your business anyway and you can dislike them as a person but not for being gay.

Most religions are very conservative institutions so it’s not surprising that they have historically been opposed to homosexuality. They’ve been misogynistic until recently too. It’s the modern secular, meritocratic, non-discriminatory society that is historically novel.

how far back you going with your historically novel?

and what do you define as society, that which excludes smaller groups of past?

point being that smaller groups of past may have been more liberal and egalitarian, I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:54:52
From: transition
ID: 1247749
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Cymek said:


transition said:

>homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book

like the DSM not so far back?

I forgot that good point, I wonder what it was based on, over simplified idea of human behaviour and sexuality perhaps.
Psychological diagnosis is interesting, quite biased if you deviate from the norm (the norm not exactly being healthy going by the population of the planet) but that seem to be ok. Whilst you shouldn’t diagnose yourself I fit into a somewhat schizoid personality disorder, not that interested in relationships of any type and feel removed from the world like I’m an observer, I find the obsession with relationships unhealthy like its wrong to be alone.

>I forgot that good point, I wonder what it was based on, over simplified idea of human behaviour and sexuality perhaps

Certainly something of cultural determinism hanging around. I mean it gives doctors and their friends more power, for example.

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Date: 3/07/2018 10:57:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1247752
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Religion used to or maybe it still does (would face a big backlash if they did) say homosexuality is wrong based on some lines in a book that wasn’t even the original and rewritten to suit some agenda. Did the religious authority even talk to a gay person let alone gay persons or just make some judgement and that’s it for hundreds of years and expect it’s followers to obey. Most did and if you questioned it you were bad. Any sensible person wouldn’t care if someone was gay they aren’t hurting anyone, it’s not your business anyway and you can dislike them as a person but not for being gay.

Most religions are very conservative institutions so it’s not surprising that they have historically been opposed to homosexuality. They’ve been misogynistic until recently too. It’s the modern secular, meritocratic, non-discriminatory society that is historically novel.

how far back you going with your historically novel?

and what do you define as society, that which excludes smaller groups of past?

point being that smaller groups of past may have been more liberal and egalitarian, I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

Considering religion is supposedly about enlightenment its failed quite miserably in that regard and become what it preaches against, that how all big institutes seem to end up though

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:09:47
From: Cymek
ID: 1247756
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Does holding nothing sacred make you immoral or is wanting to shake up belief/tradition a good idea as it means you are a progressive thinker and don’t accept the status quo and this is how it’s done and it shouldn’t change.

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:17:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1247761
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

Cymek said:


Does holding nothing sacred make you immoral

No.

Cymek said:

or is wanting to shake up belief/tradition a good idea as it means you are a progressive thinker and don’t accept the status quo and this is how it’s done and it shouldn’t change.

It’s not an either/or.

Wanting to shake up a belief or tradition may or may not be a good thing, depending on the belief or tradition.

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:20:43
From: Cymek
ID: 1247762
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

The Rev Dodgson said:


Cymek said:

Does holding nothing sacred make you immoral

No.

Cymek said:

or is wanting to shake up belief/tradition a good idea as it means you are a progressive thinker and don’t accept the status quo and this is how it’s done and it shouldn’t change.

It’s not an either/or.

Wanting to shake up a belief or tradition may or may not be a good thing, depending on the belief or tradition.

Yes true

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:22:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1247763
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:

I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

I’m pretty sure that there is not a single “world society”, and that no group has a monopoly on what is civilized (although no doubt there are groups that contain members who think they have a monopoly on what is civilized).

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:31:35
From: transition
ID: 1247768
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:
I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

I’m pretty sure that there is not a single “world society”, and that no group has a monopoly on what is civilized (although no doubt there are groups that contain members who think they have a monopoly on what is civilized).

Sounds enlightened, pluralistic on the face of it.

You need watch Jimmy Swaggart more often, he has a TV network. I enjoy the music.

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:38:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1247773
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:
I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

I’m pretty sure that there is not a single “world society”, and that no group has a monopoly on what is civilized (although no doubt there are groups that contain members who think they have a monopoly on what is civilized).

Sounds enlightened, pluralistic on the face of it.

You need watch Jimmy Swaggart more often, he has a TV network. I enjoy the music.

I doubt I will take that advice :)

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Date: 3/07/2018 11:52:05
From: transition
ID: 1247779
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:
I mean before the word society existed along with its contemporary monopoly over what’s civilized.

I’m pretty sure that there is not a single “world society”, and that no group has a monopoly on what is civilized (although no doubt there are groups that contain members who think they have a monopoly on what is civilized).

Sounds enlightened, pluralistic on the face of it.

You need watch Jimmy Swaggart more often, he has a TV network. I enjoy the music.

you ever noticed of TV, the presenters come across as if lots of people are watching this and think it similarly important, of whatever sports-related just as an example, or a natural disaster somewhere, and by association the delivery machine incorporates themselves into the projected importance (and, as if part of the audience too). The effectiveness of that delivery system requires some joint agreement about being a civilizing influence, a shared view, perspective.

the dominance over what is civilized is disguised, dressed up otherwise, as shared, more shared, converged, common and popular than it is.

happens all the time and the unconscious habits go over into social media.

you don’t advertise a monopolizing view brute-like, you dress it up as its opposite. Much more effective.

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Date: 3/07/2018 19:07:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1247988
Subject: re: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity

religion is only a problem when people take it seriously

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