trump’s getting a hiding about the personalized politics, like relations with putin
these standoffs though (between countries) undoubtedly involve a historical siege thing, between states.
the media are invested in that siege, as are audiences.
so where to?
Putin hates the West and is actively involved in various attempts to destabilise Europe, including funding far-right (Nazi) parties and movements. He’s also a serial killer with a long list of murdered rivals, critical journalists etc.
Trump also regards Europe (and the non-American West in general) as an enemy, hence his chummy attitude to Putin whom he admires for silencing dissent and controlling Russia’s media, something Trump would love to be able to do in the US.
Bubblecar said:
Putin hates the West and is actively involved in various attempts to destabilise Europe, including funding far-right (Nazi) parties and movements. He’s also a serial killer with a long list of murdered rivals, critical journalists etc.Trump also regards Europe (and the non-American West in general) as an enemy, hence his chummy attitude to Putin whom he admires for silencing dissent and controlling Russia’s media, something Trump would love to be able to do in the US.
The far-left, funding the far-right interesting.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
Putin hates the West and is actively involved in various attempts to destabilise Europe, including funding far-right (Nazi) parties and movements. He’s also a serial killer with a long list of murdered rivals, critical journalists etc.Trump also regards Europe (and the non-American West in general) as an enemy, hence his chummy attitude to Putin whom he admires for silencing dissent and controlling Russia’s media, something Trump would love to be able to do in the US.
The far-left, funding the far-right interesting.
Nothing remotely “left” about Putin.
Putin has promoted explicitly conservative policies in social, cultural and political matters, both at home and abroad. Putin has attacked globalism and neo-liberalism and is identified by scholars with Russian conservatism. Putin has promoted new think tanks that bring together like-minded intellectuals and writers. For example, the Izborsky Club, founded in 2012 by Alexander Prokhanov, stresses Russian nationalism, the restoration of Russia’s historical greatness, and systematic opposition to liberal ideas and policies. Vladislav Surkov, a senior government official, has been one of the key ideologists during Putin’s presidency.
In cultural and social affairs Putin has collaborated closely with the Russian Orthodox Church. Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, head of the Church, endorsed his election in 2012 stating Putin’s terms were like “a miracle of God.” Steven Myers reports, “The church, once heavily repressed, had emerged from the Soviet collapse as one of the most respected institutions… Now Kiril led the faithful directly into an alliance with the state.”
Mark Woods, a Baptist minister and contributing editor to Christian Today, provides specific examples of how the Church has backed the expansion of Russian power into Crimea and eastern Ukraine. More broadly the New York Times reports in September 2016 how that Church’s policy prescriptions support the Kremlin’s appeal to social conservatives:
“A fervent foe of homosexuality and any attempt to put individual rights above those of family, community or nation, the Russian Orthodox Church helps project Russia as the natural ally of all those who pine for a more secure, illiberal world free from the tradition-crushing rush of globalization, multiculturalism and women’s and gay rights. “
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
Putin hates the West and is actively involved in various attempts to destabilise Europe, including funding far-right (Nazi) parties and movements. He’s also a serial killer with a long list of murdered rivals, critical journalists etc.Trump also regards Europe (and the non-American West in general) as an enemy, hence his chummy attitude to Putin whom he admires for silencing dissent and controlling Russia’s media, something Trump would love to be able to do in the US.
The far-left, funding the far-right interesting.
Nothing remotely “left” about Putin.
So nothing remotely left with Stalin either? Even more interesting.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:The far-left, funding the far-right interesting.
Nothing remotely “left” about Putin.
So nothing remotely left with Stalin either? Even more interesting.
I don’t think that follows.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:Nothing remotely “left” about Putin.
So nothing remotely left with Stalin either? Even more interesting.
I don’t think that follows.
Well you see Stalin was Russian (actually Georgian) and so is Putin, and Stalin was General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party, so we might as well assume Putin is too.
In reality of course it’s academic as to whether Stalin can really be seen as “left” to Hitler’s “right”, since they were both totalitarian dictators with a nationalist imperialist agenda and similar psychopathic, narcissistic personalities.
>hence his chummy attitude to Putin whom he admires for silencing dissent and controlling Russia’s media, something Trump would love to be able to do in the US.
dunno about that, might be a bit of a stretch.
I don’t see anyone challenged my idea that some (historical) siege problem exists (that it’s a social and political force), that states can be invested in it, that it’s a type of working capital for media, and the audiences are involved.
transition said:
I don’t see anyone challenged my idea that some (historical) siege problem exists (that it’s a social and political force), that states can be invested in it, that it’s a type of working capital for media, and the audiences are involved.
Probably because no one has any freakin’ idea what you are on about…
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:I don’t see anyone challenged my idea that some (historical) siege problem exists (that it’s a social and political force), that states can be invested in it, that it’s a type of working capital for media, and the audiences are involved.
Probably because no one has any freakin’ idea what you are on about…
funny that, everyone doing the job of no one, in that sentence, sort of summoned a consensus.
quite like it.
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:I don’t see anyone challenged my idea that some (historical) siege problem exists (that it’s a social and political force), that states can be invested in it, that it’s a type of working capital for media, and the audiences are involved.
Probably because no one has any freakin’ idea what you are on about…
funny that, everyone doing the job of no one, in that sentence, sort of summoned a consensus.
quite like it.
I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Probably because no one has any freakin’ idea what you are on about…
funny that, everyone doing the job of no one, in that sentence, sort of summoned a consensus.
quite like it.
I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
:)
>I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
that’s what the thread’s about.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Probably because no one has any freakin’ idea what you are on about…
funny that, everyone doing the job of no one, in that sentence, sort of summoned a consensus.
quite like it.
I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
Why would anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists?
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:funny that, everyone doing the job of no one, in that sentence, sort of summoned a consensus.
quite like it.
I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
Why would anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists?
Sorry what I meant to say was,
Why wouldn’t anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
Why would anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists?
Sorry what I meant to say was,
Why wouldn’t anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists.
I see what you did there.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think wr does sometimes summon a consensus when none exists.
On this occasion however I suspect he is dead right.
Although it might just be him and me who don’t know what you are on about I suppose.
Why would anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists?
Sorry what I meant to say was,
Why wouldn’t anyone want to summon a consensus when none exists.
LOL
I’m sure we have consensus on that.
Has Trump mocked Americans by doing this ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trump mocked Americans by doing this ?
what exactly do you think he did?
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trump mocked Americans by doing this ?what exactly do you think he did?
The would / wouldn’t slip.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Has Trump mocked Americans by doing this ?what exactly do you think he did?
The would / wouldn’t slip.
right, i’m guessing you think he’s Putin-friendly, to the point of being corrupt in some way?
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:what exactly do you think he did?
The would / wouldn’t slip.
right, i’m guessing you think he’s Putin-friendly, to the point of being corrupt in some way?
Possibly, behind a simple wall lies a complex mountain of network connections.
SNAFU.
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The would / wouldn’t slip.
right, i’m guessing you think he’s Putin-friendly, to the point of being corrupt in some way?
Possibly, behind a simple wall lies a complex mountain of network connections.
SNAFU.
I put to you it’s dumber than all that.
the way (many) Russians feel about the US has a lot of similarities to the way (many) Republicans feel about Democrats, and (many) Democrats feel about Republicans. Like ideological adversaries. It’s highly exploitable.
you want globalization (with shades of world government), expect it to be a license to dabble in the politics of other countries. I mean why have this conversation?.
You and I talking now, about this, because of the big democracy of civilized folk that make what other countries do their business.
Russia is heavily invested in “dabbling in the politics of other countries”, not to mention invading its neighbours.
Bubblecar said:
Russia is heavily invested in “dabbling in the politics of other countries”, not to mention invading its neighbours.
It would be good if Russia was the only one.
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.
They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
I think a stronger light should be shone on the American public that put Trump in his current position and continue to support him no matter what. Trump is their figurehead.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
But all, all was in vain
Putin’s got it back again.
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
who said there was any media conspiracy.
transition said:
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
who said there was any media conspiracy.
Trump.
Every time he trots out the very tired phrase ‘fake news’, he’s suggesting a media conspiracy.
transition said:
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
who said there was any media conspiracy.
there is however the recent phenomenon that barely a human is left on earth for which anything and everything is not (potentially at least) entertainment, something media does not shy from encouraging.
it’s what gave the US Trump.
it’s the cause of the musical chairs in Canberra.
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
who said there was any media conspiracy.
Trump.
Every time he trots out the very tired phrase ‘fake news’, he’s suggesting a media conspiracy.
fake news doesn’t necessarily mean conspiracy.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
Russia is heavily invested in “dabbling in the politics of other countries”, not to mention invading its neighbours.It would be good if Russia was the only one.
Why would that make it any better?
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
an uncessary contribution.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
As for Trump, he’s a bad man. A bully, a liar, a swindler and an egomaniac. Putin is even worse.They’re bad for their countries and bad for the world. This is not a media conspiracy.
I think a stronger light should be shone on the American public that put Trump in his current position and continue to support him no matter what. Trump is their figurehead.
consider 37% of the USA as to comparison of their effect on the entire world.
I began reading about Russian Conservatism, which depending on the type can be similar to the American style or quite different. Putin is not a communist or an American style conservative, but a Nationalist based on the concept that the progress of the Nation is of paramount importance. Trump is also regarded by some as a Nationalist, but seemingly only when Trump is the subject of importance. It is too complicated a matter for brief headlines and the condemnation of Putin and Russia in a forum such as this, as it would require considerable study to fully appreciate the complexities involved.
PermeateFree said:
I began reading about Russian Conservatism, which depending on the type can be similar to the American style or quite different. Putin is not a communist or an American style conservative, but a Nationalist based on the concept that the progress of the Nation is of paramount importance. Trump is also regarded by some as a Nationalist, but seemingly only when Trump is the subject of importance. It is too complicated a matter for brief headlines and the condemnation of Putin and Russia in a forum such as this, as it would require considerable study to fully appreciate the complexities involved.
You do love to back the bad guys, we understand that.
Donald Trump is an “American patriot”, not a traitor to his country, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.
A number of American media outlets have accused the US president of treason following his meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, in which Mr Trump said he trusted his Russian counterpart ahead of his own intelligence services.
Senior members of Mr Trump’s Republican party have also rebuked him over his refusal to call out Mr Putin for interfering in US elections.
Asked on the Miranda Live program on Tuesday whether Mr Trump was a traitor, Mr Turnbull said: “Of course not. Donald Trump is an American patriot. His job is in representing his country and he is doing that to the best of his ability.”
However, the prime minister said he found the evidence for Russian interference in the US elections “very compelling”.
However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
“I certainly don’t trust President Putin when he said he wasn’t responsible for the shooting down of MH17, which was four years ago today.
The prime minister said he was working to protect Australia’s democracy from foreign interference with new laws.
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/putin-said-not-to-trust-anyone-turnbull/news-story/c147bb5c8b1097c7f3deb2213165aca6
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
I began reading about Russian Conservatism, which depending on the type can be similar to the American style or quite different. Putin is not a communist or an American style conservative, but a Nationalist based on the concept that the progress of the Nation is of paramount importance. Trump is also regarded by some as a Nationalist, but seemingly only when Trump is the subject of importance. It is too complicated a matter for brief headlines and the condemnation of Putin and Russia in a forum such as this, as it would require considerable study to fully appreciate the complexities involved.
You do love to back the bad guys, we understand that.
Not at all, I have no more interest in Putin than I do about Trump. But it is evident that whenever Putin (Russia), Ukraine or homosexuality comes into the conversation you adopt a very bitter attitude and your emotions take over.
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump is an “American patriot”, not a traitor to his country, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.A number of American media outlets have accused the US president of treason following his meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, in which Mr Trump said he trusted his Russian counterpart ahead of his own intelligence services.
Senior members of Mr Trump’s Republican party have also rebuked him over his refusal to call out Mr Putin for interfering in US elections.
Asked on the Miranda Live program on Tuesday whether Mr Trump was a traitor, Mr Turnbull said: “Of course not. Donald Trump is an American patriot. His job is in representing his country and he is doing that to the best of his ability.”
However, the prime minister said he found the evidence for Russian interference in the US elections “very compelling”.
However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
“I certainly don’t trust President Putin when he said he wasn’t responsible for the shooting down of MH17, which was four years ago today.
The prime minister said he was working to protect Australia’s democracy from foreign interference with new laws.
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/putin-said-not-to-trust-anyone-turnbull/news-story/c147bb5c8b1097c7f3deb2213165aca6
So he understands that Putin is a compulsive liar, but apparently trusts Trump, another obvious compulsive liar.
We live in ironic times.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
I began reading about Russian Conservatism, which depending on the type can be similar to the American style or quite different. Putin is not a communist or an American style conservative, but a Nationalist based on the concept that the progress of the Nation is of paramount importance. Trump is also regarded by some as a Nationalist, but seemingly only when Trump is the subject of importance. It is too complicated a matter for brief headlines and the condemnation of Putin and Russia in a forum such as this, as it would require considerable study to fully appreciate the complexities involved.
You do love to back the bad guys, we understand that.
Not at all, I have no more interest in Putin than I do about Trump. But it is evident that whenever Putin (Russia), Ukraine or homosexuality comes into the conversation you adopt a very bitter attitude and your emotions take over.
You’re the one being sentimental about very nasty men. I’m a simple realist :)
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump is an “American patriot”, not a traitor to his country, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.A number of American media outlets have accused the US president of treason following his meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, in which Mr Trump said he trusted his Russian counterpart ahead of his own intelligence services.
Senior members of Mr Trump’s Republican party have also rebuked him over his refusal to call out Mr Putin for interfering in US elections.
Asked on the Miranda Live program on Tuesday whether Mr Trump was a traitor, Mr Turnbull said: “Of course not. Donald Trump is an American patriot. His job is in representing his country and he is doing that to the best of his ability.”
However, the prime minister said he found the evidence for Russian interference in the US elections “very compelling”.
However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
“I certainly don’t trust President Putin when he said he wasn’t responsible for the shooting down of MH17, which was four years ago today.
The prime minister said he was working to protect Australia’s democracy from foreign interference with new laws.
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/putin-said-not-to-trust-anyone-turnbull/news-story/c147bb5c8b1097c7f3deb2213165aca6
So he understands that Putin is a compulsive liar, but apparently trusts Trump, another obvious compulsive
We live in ironic times.
I don’t get that at all, it was a pointed question where absolute truth would do no one any good, you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot and the representing his country with the get out “to the best of his ability” otherwise he says the evidence for Russian interference is compelling, that he didn’t believe Putin.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:You do love to back the bad guys, we understand that.
Not at all, I have no more interest in Putin than I do about Trump. But it is evident that whenever Putin (Russia), Ukraine or homosexuality comes into the conversation you adopt a very bitter attitude and your emotions take over.
You’re the one being sentimental about very nasty men. I’m a simple realist :)
No, just trying to be rational.
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Donald Trump is an “American patriot”, not a traitor to his country, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says.A number of American media outlets have accused the US president of treason following his meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, in which Mr Trump said he trusted his Russian counterpart ahead of his own intelligence services.
Senior members of Mr Trump’s Republican party have also rebuked him over his refusal to call out Mr Putin for interfering in US elections.
Asked on the Miranda Live program on Tuesday whether Mr Trump was a traitor, Mr Turnbull said: “Of course not. Donald Trump is an American patriot. His job is in representing his country and he is doing that to the best of his ability.”
However, the prime minister said he found the evidence for Russian interference in the US elections “very compelling”.
However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
“I certainly don’t trust President Putin when he said he wasn’t responsible for the shooting down of MH17, which was four years ago today.
The prime minister said he was working to protect Australia’s democracy from foreign interference with new laws.
https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/putin-said-not-to-trust-anyone-turnbull/news-story/c147bb5c8b1097c7f3deb2213165aca6
So he understands that Putin is a compulsive liar, but apparently trusts Trump, another obvious compulsive
We live in ironic times.I don’t get that at all, it was a pointed question where absolute truth would do no one any good, you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot and the representing his country with the get out “to the best of his ability” otherwise he says the evidence for Russian interference is compelling, that he didn’t believe Putin.
>you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot
Don’t think so. What matters to Trump is Trump. He’s opposed to his own intelligence agencies because they have dirt on him, therefore “they are the enemy”. He is opposed to US media because they know he’s a self-serving asshole, therefore “they are the enemy”, as is anyone who criticises him in any way.
He’s a nutcase.
>You do love to back the bad guys…”
wielding a stereotype there, car
>However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
capital for divisive forces, that. Exactly the territory the new politics operates in.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:Not at all, I have no more interest in Putin than I do about Trump. But it is evident that whenever Putin (Russia), Ukraine or homosexuality comes into the conversation you adopt a very bitter attitude and your emotions take over.
You’re the one being sentimental about very nasty men. I’m a simple realist :)
No, just trying to be rational.
No evidence of that, sorry.
transition said:
>You do love to back the bad guys…”wielding a stereotype there, car
>However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
capital for divisive forces, that. Exactly the territory the new politics operates in.
You have a soft spot for the “strong men” too, transition. But I’ll leave you to it.
Bubblecar said:
transition said:
>You do love to back the bad guys…”wielding a stereotype there, car
>However, Mr Turnbull said he agreed with Mr Putin when he said “you shouldn’t trust anybody”.
capital for divisive forces, that. Exactly the territory the new politics operates in.
You have a soft spot for the “strong men” too, transition. But I’ll leave you to it.
no defense required, you have it worked out.
Bubblecar said:
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:So he understands that Putin is a compulsive liar, but apparently trusts Trump, another obvious compulsive
We live in ironic times.I don’t get that at all, it was a pointed question where absolute truth would do no one any good, you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot and the representing his country with the get out “to the best of his ability” otherwise he says the evidence for Russian interference is compelling, that he didn’t believe Putin.
>you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot
Don’t think so. What matters to Trump is Trump. He’s opposed to his own intelligence agencies because they have dirt on him, therefore “they are the enemy”. He is opposed to US media because they know he’s a self-serving asshole, therefore “they are the enemy”, as is anyone who criticises him in any way.
He’s a nutcase.
Not saying he is not a nut case, but from that extract I can’t see how you get to Turnbull trusts Trump, and as for a patriot, I took it in its ordinary sense of supporting your country above all others and a sense of loyalty to the country, in the Turnbull manner I would agree Trump is doing that “to the best of his ability” albeit that ability to be pretty well zero.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:You’re the one being sentimental about very nasty men. I’m a simple realist :)
No, just trying to be rational.
No evidence of that, sorry.
You are very irrational on those three subjects car. Quite impossible to discuss them sensibly with you.
AwesomeO said:
Bubblecar said:
AwesomeO said:I don’t get that at all, it was a pointed question where absolute truth would do no one any good, you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot and the representing his country with the get out “to the best of his ability” otherwise he says the evidence for Russian interference is compelling, that he didn’t believe Putin.
>you can honestly describe Trump as a patriot
Don’t think so. What matters to Trump is Trump. He’s opposed to his own intelligence agencies because they have dirt on him, therefore “they are the enemy”. He is opposed to US media because they know he’s a self-serving asshole, therefore “they are the enemy”, as is anyone who criticises him in any way.
He’s a nutcase.
Not saying he is not a nut case, but from that extract I can’t see how you get to Turnbull trusts Trump, and as for a patriot, I took it in its ordinary sense of supporting your country above all others and a sense of loyalty to the country, in the Turnbull manner I would agree Trump is doing that “to the best of his ability” albeit that ability to be pretty well zero.
You’ll note that I said “We live in ironic times”.
Turnbull doesn’t trust Trump any more than he trusts Putin (he’d have to be insane to do so), but he feels obliged to say nice things about Trump.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:No, just trying to be rational.
No evidence of that, sorry.
You are very irrational on those three subjects car. Quite impossible to discuss them sensibly with you.
You’re being silly, but that’s expected. And now I’m ignoring further rejoinders, but go for it anyway, you know you want to :)
>but he feels obliged to say nice things about Trump.
a more generous angle would be Trump is not America.
just as Turnbull is not Australia.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:No evidence of that, sorry.
You are very irrational on those three subjects car. Quite impossible to discuss them sensibly with you.
You’re being silly, but that’s expected. And now I’m ignoring further rejoinders, but go for it anyway, you know you want to :)
shrugs and walks away.