party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Who would have thought the USA getting involved in the Middle East would go so badly

Oh, for the day when our oil dependence has diminished to the point where we (Aus., US, UK, Europe, etc) can say to both the Arabs and the Israelis, you know what, we just don’t give a shit.

A big driver is expansionist Zionism, the desire to create a greater Israel by seizing Arab lands and driving them out. This has nothing to do with oil. With a population of less than10 million the Israelis have no chance against a couplea hundred million Arabs, plus a hundred million or so each of Persians and Turks. They need US involvement and meddling in the region. People in the US are getting sick of the Israel lobby too, and they run one of the biggest superpacs of them all.

But but… They didn’t live there. They were in Germany Poland Russia etc. There was no state of Israel. What gives them the idea that they can just take over other peoples land, knock doen their houses, rip out their thousand year old olives etc?