Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Doubt there’s been much change in orphan rate given the demographic of covid deaths.
Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Doubt there’s been much change in orphan rate given the demographic of covid deaths.
yes yes apparently we don’t truly believe they’re geniuses either but hey
there “improvement” might be due to “improvements” in reporting videre licet
Testerna har utförts men aldrig skickats till labbet för analys. Trots det ska kunderna ha fått tillbaka negativa provsvar och covid-intyg, enligt uppgift till Aftonbladet.
Covidintyg har utfärdats – utan att proven analyserats, enligt uppgift till Aftonbladet.
– Det råder sekretess och vi vill kunna utreda de misstankar som finns, säger åklagare Alexandra Bittner.
I veckan har polisen tillsammans med Inspektionen för vård och omsorg, Ivo, slagit till på ett flertal adresser i Stockholmsområdet. Men när polisen tagit sig in i lokalerna ska verksamheten ha varit i princip bortstädad på flera av adresserna. Bara spår av att provtagningsverksamhet bedrivits och provtagningsmaterial ska ha funnits kvar, enligt uppgift till Aftonbladet.
Huvudmisstänkt är en vårdentreprenör hemmahörande i Stockholmsområdet. Misstankarna mot mannen är grov framkallande av fara, bedrägeri, spridande av smitta grovt brott. Företaget har de senaste dagarna blivit osynliga på sociala medier där de tidigare varit aktiva. Sajter kopplade till verksamheten har också släckts ner.
Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Doubt there’s been much change in orphan rate given the demographic of covid deaths.
Hmmm, at what age does someone stop being an orphan?
Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Doubt there’s been much change in orphan rate given the demographic of covid deaths.
Hmmm, at what age does someone stop being an orphan?
well if ever there’s one for the prescriptivists that must be it
Pftf, we don’t know many, that Australian pandemic response seems a bit scuffed when they’re doing barely 75% better than the Swedish one, apparently their children are orphan geniuses now that they were able to keep up in-person learning for the whole year ¡
Doubt there’s been much change in orphan rate given the demographic of covid deaths.
Hmmm, at what age does someone stop being an orphan?
As contact tracers scramble to track venues visited by COVID-19 cases, the list of venues which at first was focused on the eastern suburbs, has now expanded to include Drummoyne, Castle Hill, Campbelltown and Merrylands in Western Sydney.’
As contact tracers scramble to track venues visited by COVID-19 cases, the list of venues which at first was focused on the eastern suburbs, has now expanded to include Drummoyne, Castle Hill, Campbelltown and Merrylands in Western Sydney.’
As contact tracers scramble to track venues visited by COVID-19 cases, the list of venues which at first was focused on the eastern suburbs, has now expanded to include Drummoyne, Castle Hill, Campbelltown and Merrylands in Western Sydney.’
Sydney’s got the bug again.
we mean for the first 15 months it was kind of maybe slightly not really interesting to observe how many times it would take for jokers in charge around the world to learn that “let’s just wait and see” inevitably leads to “there you see” but really it’s been just another exercise in tedium for at least 12 of those
As contact tracers scramble to track venues visited by COVID-19 cases, the list of venues which at first was focused on the eastern suburbs, has now expanded to include Drummoyne, Castle Hill, Campbelltown and Merrylands in Western Sydney.’
Sydney’s got the bug again.
Uh-oh…
Am i a bit skewed in my perception, but is it not the case that these ‘waves’ initially emerge in the more affluent areas of cities, such as Sydney’s eastern suburbs, and then get spread from there?
As contact tracers scramble to track venues visited by COVID-19 cases, the list of venues which at first was focused on the eastern suburbs, has now expanded to include Drummoyne, Castle Hill, Campbelltown and Merrylands in Western Sydney.’
Sydney’s got the bug again.
Uh-oh…
Am i a bit skewed in my perception, but is it not the case that these ‘waves’ initially emerge in the more affluent areas of cities, such as Sydney’s eastern suburbs, and then get spread from there?
They’re the ones who could afford to travel overseas and pay the right people to be let out early…
on a slightly separate note of course we did consider the perception that every time something like this happens it seems that the cases have travelled to like 50 places per day
and then we realised that no shit, obviously superspreaders are going to be supercatchers as well by virtue of their ridiculous promiscuity
There’s a massive amount of information/speculation out there on the vaccines, the media have struck the mother load with this pandemic, thousands of inches of copy have been written, millions of words spoken.
This is a moving feast,some of the scientific and medical advice given 12 months ago proved to be inaccurate and as sure as there’s shit in a cat some of the advice being given today may well prove to be the same. The boffins are learning as they go but they do have the grace to correct themselves.
Remember when the WHO and Norman Swan said that masks were useless at protecting from the virus?
My understanding of what’s happening at the moment is this.
Vaccines don’t stop you getting the virus, a small proportion of people will still get it but they will mostly be asymptomatic, actually the vaccine effect only kicks in after you come in contact with the virus.
The good news is that the latest findings from real world studies coming out of the UK suggests that both the Pfizer and Astra vaccines show 90% effectiveness against hospitalisation and or death.
That’s my received wisdom at the moment but as the boffins slave away over their test tubes and machines that go ping advice will change, there’ll be new paradigms, maybe there will be a super mutation that will let loose the four horsemen of the Apocalypse into the firmament and we’ll all be ruined.
I wouldn’t be surprised that when things start getting back to normal much of the world will say our Astrazenecas are not good enough for them and go back and get a real shot.
Covid update.
1. Countdown to celebration. In just 7 days, Australia will be celebrating six months without a single Covid death, and only two deaths in the last eight months. Many people have died from a other infectious diseases during this period.
2. Peru is the country that has been worst hit by Covid, by a large margin. Peru has had nearly twice as many deaths per million population during the pandemic as the second worst hit country, Hungary. Three times as many as the UK and USA. (Oops, in May 2021 I said that Uruguay took over from Hungary as the current worlds worst. My bad, Peru was then worse than both of them).
3. The current worst hit country is Paraguay. Paraguay is is a worry not just because of that, but also because it’s currently transitioning from a lower mortality (2% die) strain to a higher mortality strain (>3% die) of the virus.
4. Uruguay and Bahrain are frightening for a different reason. Both countries share the properties of very high vaccination rate and extremely high Covid death rate. Both countries have more vaccine doses distributed than the total population. In Bahrain, an amazing 52% of the people have already received their second dose. Uruguay has said that vaccines there are successful, but reconciiling that with the appalling Covid death rate there is starting the break the laws of physics.
5. The situation in Mexico and Peru is frightening because of their shared high mortality strain of the virus. Whereas the world average case fatality rate (mortality rate) is 2%, the Peru/Mexico strain has the mortality rate of 9.4%. I don’t want the Peru/Mexico strain to escape to other countries. The much-maligned delta variant has a very low mortality rate of 0.1%.
6. Back to the worldwide situation. Areas to keep a watch on are: All of South America, Central America and the Caribbean including Bermuda; Eastern Europe from Albania to Poland and from Italy to the Ukraine; Longitude 50 degrees (Bahrain, Oman, Yemen, Seychelles); and sundry other counties (Namibia, Tunisia, Malaysia, Georgia).
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
It could cause a staffing problem. At least here we just sign into the Luddites List without staff having to bother about it.
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
WA just wants First and Last name and phone number.
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
WA just wants First and Last name and phone number.
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
Like!
Wear your ID card on your sleeve? Any scanner can read it?
That’s interesting. Qld app wants an email address. Vic doesn’t. Does WA? (Someone should be up over there around now) And they don’t appear to have paper sign in as an option. Someone at the venue has to be available to deal with the Luddites.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
It could cause a staffing problem. At least here we just sign into the Luddites List without staff having to bother about it.
maybe they can print out some personal QR codes for reactionaries to wear and then the shopkeepers can scan those, other way around
Like!
Wear your ID card on your sleeve? Any scanner can read it?
No different to what is happening here anyway. You are required to check in, either QR or pen and paper, at every place you go to. Popping in to pick up the paper or a litre of milk…scan in. So you are being followed, but you are doing the work yourself.
Wear your ID card on your sleeve? Any scanner can read it?
No different to what is happening here anyway. You are required to check in, either QR or pen and paper, at every place you go to. Popping in to pick up the paper or a litre of milk…scan in. So you are being followed, but you are doing the work yourself.
Yes there’s a lot of doing the work yourself these days.
Wear your ID card on your sleeve? Any scanner can read it?
No different to what is happening here anyway. You are required to check in, either QR or pen and paper, at every place you go to. Popping in to pick up the paper or a litre of milk…scan in. So you are being followed, but you are doing the work yourself.
Yes there’s a lot of doing the work yourself these days.
speaking of airs of superiority how about some obtention
The causal association of SARS-CoV-2 infection with the development of Parkinson’s disease is therefore not supported by robust evidence yet. Although the potential neurological sequelae of this novel coronavirus should not be underestimated, we are concerned about unjustified claims anticipating a future high incidence of Parkinson’s disease, secondary to the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. A coordinated international effort to investigate viral effects is essential, and should be based on well-designed prospective studies. Rather than speculation, the obtention of robust data is warranted.
as you’ve all encountered before, dv and we have thrashed out the meanings of various pandemic-cases-per-day chart motifs (such as quadratic spread, test saturation, disinformation) so we won’t revisit the whole heap, and indeed you can all be thankful that we won’t even flavour the following with many more words
we’ll just let them speak for themselves because they pretty much do
as you’ve all encountered before, dv and we have thrashed out the meanings of various pandemic-cases-per-day chart motifs (such as quadratic spread, test saturation, disinformation) so we won’t revisit the whole heap, and indeed you can all be thankful that we won’t even flavour the following with many more words
we’ll just let them speak for themselves because they pretty much do
we suppose tunes can change but acknowledge that good scientists follow evidence
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Professor McLaws said now the Delta variant was in the community, much faster action needs to be taken.
“As soon as the 60-year-old driver was found to be positive and he went to a shopping mall, that was a signal to wear a mask in public across the greater Sydney region,” Professor McLaws said.
“This is how precautionary we need to be because it prevents further spread and the need for lockdown.”
Professor McLaws said mask-wearing should be compulsory on public transport until a majority of the population was vaccinated.
She added a short lockdown would now be justified because if this cluster takes off in the community, Australia risks having its own variant of concern.
we suppose tunes can change but acknowledge that good scientists follow evidence
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Professor McLaws said now the Delta variant was in the community, much faster action needs to be taken.
“As soon as the 60-year-old driver was found to be positive and he went to a shopping mall, that was a signal to wear a mask in public across the greater Sydney region,” Professor McLaws said.
“This is how precautionary we need to be because it prevents further spread and the need for lockdown.”
Professor McLaws said mask-wearing should be compulsory on public transport until a majority of the population was vaccinated.
She added a short lockdown would now be justified because if this cluster takes off in the community, Australia risks having its own variant of concern.
If so then if we let out a variant will those in Wuhan be talking about the austraya virus?
Professor McLaws said mask-wearing should be compulsory on public transport until a majority of the population was vaccinated.
She added a short lockdown would now be justified because if this cluster takes off in the community, Australia risks having its own variant of concern.
If so then if we let out a variant will those in Wuhan be talking about the austraya virus?
bullshit relabelling with Greek letters will have put a stop to all that
we suppose tunes can change but acknowledge that good scientists follow evidence
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Professor McLaws said now the Delta variant was in the community, much faster action needs to be taken.
“As soon as the 60-year-old driver was found to be positive and he went to a shopping mall, that was a signal to wear a mask in public across the greater Sydney region,” Professor McLaws said.
“This is how precautionary we need to be because it prevents further spread and the need for lockdown.”
Professor McLaws said mask-wearing should be compulsory on public transport until a majority of the population was vaccinated.
She added a short lockdown would now be justified because if this cluster takes off in the community, Australia risks having its own variant of concern.
If so then if we let out a variant will those in Wuhan be talking about the austraya virus?
Professor McLaws said mask-wearing should be compulsory on public transport until a majority of the population was vaccinated.
She added a short lockdown would now be justified because if this cluster takes off in the community, Australia risks having its own variant of concern.
If so then if we let out a variant will those in Wuhan be talking about the austraya virus?
bullshit relabelling with Greek letters will have put a stop to all that
i’d expect wild covid would be (or will be, though i’m reluctant to license creeping inevitability, I decline the invitation to be party to that) much worse in Australia post comprehensive vaccinations than the near-elimination strategy that is seemingly being slowly but surely eroded, dissolved, the project of eliminating elimination
and what do you bury bullshit with, more bullshit, a contagion itself, an art amongst humans, labyrinthine bullshit
i’d expect wild covid would be (or will be, though i’m reluctant to license creeping inevitability, I decline the invitation to be party to that) much worse in Australia post comprehensive vaccinations than the near-elimination strategy that is seemingly being slowly but surely eroded, dissolved, the project of eliminating elimination
and what do you bury bullshit with, more bullshit, a contagion itself, an art amongst humans, labyrinthine bullshit
i’d expect wild covid would be (or will be, though i’m reluctant to license creeping inevitability, I decline the invitation to be party to that) much worse in Australia post comprehensive vaccinations than the near-elimination strategy that is seemingly being slowly but surely eroded, dissolved, the project of eliminating elimination
and what do you bury bullshit with, more bullshit, a contagion itself, an art amongst humans, labyrinthine bullshit
but do you approve
do I approve of getting vaccinated being used as a vote to let it go wild
i’d expect wild covid would be (or will be, though i’m reluctant to license creeping inevitability, I decline the invitation to be party to that) much worse in Australia post comprehensive vaccinations than the near-elimination strategy that is seemingly being slowly but surely eroded, dissolved, the project of eliminating elimination
and what do you bury bullshit with, more bullshit, a contagion itself, an art amongst humans, labyrinthine bullshit
but do you approve
do I approve of getting vaccinated being used as a vote to let it go wild
well nah, obviously
agree
turns out the adenovirus vectors vaccine is just over 50% effective against new strains after all, pretty much as we promised
i’d expect wild covid would be (or will be, though i’m reluctant to license creeping inevitability, I decline the invitation to be party to that) much worse in Australia post comprehensive vaccinations than the near-elimination strategy that is seemingly being slowly but surely eroded, dissolved, the project of eliminating elimination
and what do you bury bullshit with, more bullshit, a contagion itself, an art amongst humans, labyrinthine bullshit
but do you approve
do I approve of getting vaccinated being used as a vote to let it go wild
NSW has recorded five locally acquired COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8.00pm yesterday. Two of those cases had already been reported.
Since yesterday’s 8.00pm reporting cut-off, NSW Health has confirmed a further seven new locally acquired infections. These cases will be included in tomorrow’s numbers.
It means there are a total of 10 new locally acquired infections that had not been previously reported, and takes the number of cases linked to the Bondi cluster to 21.
A COVID-19 outbreak at Toronto Western Hospital fueled by what is believed to be the more transmissible Delta variant has infected five patients and three staff, including those who had received one or two doses of the vaccine.
NSW has recorded five locally acquired COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8.00pm yesterday. Two of those cases had already been reported.
Since yesterday’s 8.00pm reporting cut-off, NSW Health has confirmed a further seven new locally acquired infections. These cases will be included in tomorrow’s numbers.
It means there are a total of 10 new locally acquired infections that had not been previously reported, and takes the number of cases linked to the Bondi cluster to 21.
I’m not laughing.
Investments in The Gold Standard are dropping, I’m afraidd.
do I approve of getting vaccinated being used as a vote to let it go wild
well nah, obviously
Will you be vaccinated?
bump for Onty.
persistent aren’t you, but why, why are you persisting, do you know, is it perhaps an underdeveloped working concept of privacy, did it stop evolving at some point in your life, I don’t know and don’t care
persistent aren’t you, but why, why are you persisting, do you know, is it perhaps an underdeveloped working concept of privacy, did it stop evolving at some point in your life, I don’t know and don’t care
NSW has recorded five locally acquired COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8.00pm yesterday. Two of those cases had already been reported.
Since yesterday’s 8.00pm reporting cut-off, NSW Health has confirmed a further seven new locally acquired infections. These cases will be included in tomorrow’s numbers.
It means there are a total of 10 new locally acquired infections that had not been previously reported, and takes the number of cases linked to the Bondi cluster to 21.
I’m not laughing.
Investments in The Gold Standard are dropping, I’m afraidd.
they’re a little more reassuring
Six of these are household contacts of previous cases who have been in isolation.
One case is a child who attends primary school in the eastern suburbs.
persistent aren’t you, but why, why are you persisting, do you know, is it perhaps an underdeveloped working concept of privacy, did it stop evolving at some point in your life, I don’t know and don’t care
I was just trying to confirm that you were instead of talking about ‘people this, people that’ you are actually talking about ‘me this, me that’.
persistent aren’t you, but why, why are you persisting, do you know, is it perhaps an underdeveloped working concept of privacy, did it stop evolving at some point in your life, I don’t know and don’t care
I was just trying to confirm that you were instead of talking about ‘people this, people that’ you are actually talking about ‘me this, me that’.
no, mate, you’re into some mischief, buried in your use of the word just, possibly because you’re bored
NSW has recorded five locally acquired COVID-19 infections in the 24 hours to 8.00pm yesterday. Two of those cases had already been reported.
Since yesterday’s 8.00pm reporting cut-off, NSW Health has confirmed a further seven new locally acquired infections. These cases will be included in tomorrow’s numbers.
It means there are a total of 10 new locally acquired infections that had not been previously reported, and takes the number of cases linked to the Bondi cluster to 21.
I’m not laughing.
Investments in The Gold Standard are dropping, I’m afraidd.
they’re a little more reassuring
Six of these are household contacts of previous cases who have been in isolation.
One case is a child who attends primary school in the eastern suburbs.
Unfortunately, exposure sites are bubbling up in Canberra now.
persistent aren’t you, but why, why are you persisting, do you know, is it perhaps an underdeveloped working concept of privacy, did it stop evolving at some point in your life, I don’t know and don’t care
I was just trying to confirm that you were instead of talking about ‘people this, people that’ you are actually talking about ‘me this, me that’.
no, mate, you’re into some mischief, buried in your use of the word just, possibly because you’re bored
No need for the ‘just’ now since you have confirmed my contention.
no, mate, you’re into some mischief, buried in your use of the word just, possibly because you’re bored
No need for the ‘just’ now since you have confirmed my contention.
Scratches head.
It’s just (giggle) Onty complaining about my use of ‘just’ to hide the fact that he clouds his own opinions in generalities to hide the fact that he is just (giggle) mouthing said opinions.
I’m surprised that they haven’t released the footage, in order to demonstrate how fleeting the encounter was. I’d imagine that it might shock some people into being more careful.
I’m surprised that they haven’t released the footage, in order to demonstrate how fleeting the encounter was. I’d imagine that it might shock some people into being more careful.
it’s disinformation again though, call it “fleeting contact” when obviously each of the people breathes before and after the “close” “encounter” so if there’s something in the air guess what
I’m surprised that they haven’t released the footage, in order to demonstrate how fleeting the encounter was. I’d imagine that it might shock some people into being more careful.
it’s disinformation again though, call it “fleeting contact” when obviously each of the people breathes before and after the “close” “encounter” so if there’s something in the air guess what
“it is basically a crossover of individuals. They are clearly facing each other but it is literally someone moving across from each other for a moment, close, but momentary.”
Sorta kinda fleeting, but facing each other but side on…
I’m surprised that they haven’t released the footage, in order to demonstrate how fleeting the encounter was. I’d imagine that it might shock some people into being more careful.
it’s disinformation again though, call it “fleeting contact” when obviously each of the people breathes before and after the “close” “encounter” so if there’s something in the air guess what
“it is basically a crossover of individuals. They are clearly facing each other but it is literally someone moving across from each other for a moment, close, but momentary.”
Sorta kinda fleeting, but facing each other but side on…
it’s disinformation again though, call it “fleeting contact” when obviously each of the people breathes before and after the “close” “encounter” so if there’s something in the air guess what
“it is basically a crossover of individuals. They are clearly facing each other but it is literally someone moving across from each other for a moment, close, but momentary.”
Sorta kinda fleeting, but facing each other but side on…
like ships in the night?
as long as there’s more than 1 then it’s a fleet right
“We do not have a pandemic in Australia” – Pauline Hanson
Is she etymologically correct?
There is no strict definition of pandemic, but it is usually taken to mean a disease spreading over multiple countries, or an interconnected region, if not the whole of the world.
So there is definitely a pandemic going on. But the pandemic has not affected Australia as badly as other places in the world.
pretty sure the originator was one of the now present but the forum software bugged out random posts
as you’ve all encountered before, dv and we have thrashed out the meanings of various pandemic-cases-per-day chart motifs (such as quadratic spread, test saturation, disinformation) so we won’t revisit the whole heap, and indeed you can all be thankful that we won’t even flavour the following with many more words
we’ll just let them speak for themselves because they pretty much do
> dv and we have thrashed out the meanings of various pandemic-cases-per-day chart motifs (such as quadratic spread, test saturation, disinformation)
We have?
Second graph above is way wrong. For at least two reasons. I don’t understand the first graph.
As for Delta Variant. It’s only 1/10th as deadly as the normal Indian variant, and 1/100th as deadly as the Mexico/Peru variant.
If you can find the data, please let me know the age structure of deaths from the Delta Variant. That way I can compare its deadliness to that of the common flu. I think the Delta Variant is deadlier than the common flu, but I haven’t seen any proof yet.
The Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), is formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2.
Does that mean that there have been about 1,617 variants of Covid so far? ;-( It could be more, because some variants of concern start with the letter P rather than B.
The WHO separates out “variants”, “variants of interest” and “variants of concern”.
A quick scan through this linked page finds ~1,275 different known Covid variants. That’s less than I expected.
That’s only an average of 2.3 new known Covid variants per day.
The Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), is formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2.
Does that mean that there have been about 1,617 variants of Covid so far? ;-( It could be more, because some variants of concern start with the letter P rather than B.
The WHO separates out “variants”, “variants of interest” and “variants of concern”.
A quick scan through this linked page finds ~1,275 different known Covid variants. That’s less than I expected.
That’s only an average of 2.3 new known Covid variants per day.
It’s the variants that persist that get noticed. Every time a virus, any virus, including covid, enters a host, a new variant is created – viruses have terrible quality control.
So far, no correlation at all between vaccination rate and death rate.
Plotted using data table from OurWorldInData.
In some ways we expect early death rates to be negatively correlated with vaccination rate since those countries that have low death rates are taking things at a relaxed pace with regard to vaccinations
The Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), is formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2.
Does that mean that there have been about 1,617 variants of Covid so far? ;-( It could be more, because some variants of concern start with the letter P rather than B.
The WHO separates out “variants”, “variants of interest” and “variants of concern”.
A quick scan through this linked page finds ~1,275 different known Covid variants. That’s less than I expected.
That’s only an average of 2.3 new known Covid variants per day.
It’s the variants that persist that get noticed. Every time a virus, any virus, including covid, enters a host, a new variant is created – viruses have terrible quality control.
The Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), is formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2.
Does that mean that there have been about 1,617 variants of Covid so far? ;-( It could be more, because some variants of concern start with the letter P rather than B.
The WHO separates out “variants”, “variants of interest” and “variants of concern”.
A quick scan through this linked page finds ~1,275 different known Covid variants. That’s less than I expected.
That’s only an average of 2.3 new known Covid variants per day.
It’s the variants that persist that get noticed. Every time a virus, any virus, including covid, enters a host, a new variant is created – viruses have terrible quality control.
And poik, while you are here…after my AZ, about 6 hours after, I had very, very cold feet. It lasted overnight and was gone. Which is unusual for me – I normally can’t wear socks to bed because my feet get too hot. I’m thinking I should probably report that to my GP as a side effect? I’ve found a couple of reports of it online, but only like mine, anecdotal.
(I may have asked you this – I was thrown somewhat by a friend’s death about 10 days ago and my mind has been a bit addled. If I did ask you, I forgot what you said)
And poik, while you are here…after my AZ, about 6 hours after, I had very, very cold feet. It lasted overnight and was gone. Which is unusual for me – I normally can’t wear socks to bed because my feet get too hot. I’m thinking I should probably report that to my GP as a side effect? I’ve found a couple of reports of it online, but only like mine, anecdotal.
(I may have asked you this – I was thrown somewhat by a friend’s death about 10 days ago and my mind has been a bit addled. If I did ask you, I forgot what you said)
Ah sorry to hear about the friend.
Worth reporting, adverse effects are always ‘anecdotal’ until they aren’t – i.e. it’s poor form to design a study to look for them, we have to wait for enough reports from the treated population to decide whether it’s a thing or not.
Any adverse effect is meant to reported – https://www.tga.gov.au/reporting-suspected-side-effects-associated-covid-19-vaccine
And poik, while you are here…after my AZ, about 6 hours after, I had very, very cold feet. It lasted overnight and was gone. Which is unusual for me – I normally can’t wear socks to bed because my feet get too hot. I’m thinking I should probably report that to my GP as a side effect? I’ve found a couple of reports of it online, but only like mine, anecdotal.
(I may have asked you this – I was thrown somewhat by a friend’s death about 10 days ago and my mind has been a bit addled. If I did ask you, I forgot what you said)
Ah sorry to hear about the friend.
Worth reporting, adverse effects are always ‘anecdotal’ until they aren’t – i.e. it’s poor form to design a study to look for them, we have to wait for enough reports from the treated population to decide whether it’s a thing or not.
Any adverse effect is meant to reported – https://www.tga.gov.au/reporting-suspected-side-effects-associated-covid-19-vaccine
I had a look at reporting myself online, but I need details that are at the doctor’s. So I think I’ll just drop in a note to the receptionists and ask them to hand it on.
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New exposure sites in NSW
Overnight NSW Health added three new close contact sites, three new casual contact sites and one site requiring people to monitor for symptoms.
Anyone who attended the following venue at the time listed is a close contact and must immediately call NSW Health on 1800 943 553, get tested and isolate for 14 days, regardless of the result:
Suburb Venue Address Date and time
Mascot Wallabies Thai Restaurant (Anyone who dined in the outside area) 2/1-5 Bourke St, Mascot Saturday 19 June
11.30am – 12pm
Bondi Junction Chanel fragrance and beauty, Level 4, Westfield Bondi Shop 4039 Level 4 / 500 Oxford St, Bondi Junction Friday 18 June
12pm – 12.25pm
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11:45am – 3:15pm
Anyone who attended the following venues at the times listed is a casual contact and must immediately get tested and self-isolate until a negative result is received. Please continue to monitor for symptoms and immediately get tested and isolate if they develop:
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Mascot Wallabies Thai Restaurant (Anyone who dined inside) 2/1-5 Bourke St, Mascot Saturday 19 June
11.30am – 12pm
Bondi Junction Starbucks, Level 2, Westfield Bondi Shop 2052 Level 2 / 500 Oxford St, Bondi Junction Friday 18 June
11am – 12pm
Sydney ANZ 20 Martin Place (Anyone on Ground and Level 1) 20 Martin Place Thursday 17 June 2021
11:45am – 3:15pm
Anyone who attended the following stores at the listed times should monitor for symptoms and if they appear, isolate and get tested until a negative result is received:
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Mascot Mascot Central Shopping Precinct Etherden Walk, Mascot Anytime from Friday 18 June 2021 to Tuesday 22 June 2021
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Good news for our Victorian mates!
Health officials met last night to discuss lifting restrictions and another meeting will be held this morning to finalise all the details.
The ABC understands that venue limits will increase and some spectators will be allowed to attend this weekend’s AFL clashes at the MCG.
We’re expecting the number of visitors allowed in Melbourne homes to increase to at least five people.
Limits on public outdoor gatherings in Greater Melbourne are also set to increase.
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Let’s recap on the numbers from NSW yesterday
Effectively, we learned about 10 new cases from NSW yesterday.
But the official count for yesterday was just five cases, with details of two of those five cases being released the day before.
To make things even messier, seven new cases were reported after the 8:00pm deadline.
So we were told about those cases yesterday, but they’ll be counted in today’s official case count.
Keep that in mind when the NSW numbers come out today.
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Is a snap Sydney lockdown on the cards?
Professor McLaws reckons it’s a good idea.
Here’s what she said earlier this morning:
“We may need to think about a stay home order for a couple of days.
I’m sure the authorities will feel quite confident by Saturday because they had a look at the timeline.
“And that gives a good incubation period for any slow people who… are slower to incubate and show the signs and then get tested.
“But nevertheless, a quick sharp stay home order could have been in order.
“They should be asked, ‘don’t go out unless you really need to, get tested if you’ve been in any of these hot spot sites and we should know more by Saturday or Sunday’.”
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Epidemiologist: Masks should have been mandatory from the beginning
Epidemiologist and World Health Organization member Mary-Louise McLaws was on ABC News Breakfast talking about the Sydney outbreak a short time ago.
She was asked whether the mandatory mask rule was enough. Here’s what she said:
“Well, masks being made mandatory should have happened right at the start.
“The rhetoric around this Delta tells everyone it’s serious. But the action didn’t match that.
“And quite frankly we need to wear masks all the time in public transport. There’s not enough air flow change.
“If someone is sitting there, exhaling particles, you’ll be going into that plume of particles.
“Wearing masks in public across greater Sydney is a good step.”
Queensland’s Deputy Premier calls for regional quarantine facilities
Steven Miles is really keen on regional quarantine centres.
A few weeks ago, the PM said a proposal to build such a centre in Toowoomba — which is about two hours’ drive from Brisbane depending on how many caravans you get stuck behind — wasn’t “stacking up”.
But Mr Miles reckons it’s a goer:
“We have been saying for months and months, hotel quarantine is not proving as effective as it was with earlier strains .
“We’re seeing this now with the outbreak in Sydney and also with room to room transmission, both across flaws in one case and on a floor in another case here in the Queensland hotel quarantine facilities.
“And that just underlines what we have been saying for a very long time.
“There has been a very long time in which we could have built and have operating regional quarantine facilities, but the Morrison government has refused to co-operate with us on that.
“And they have said this morning that they assessed defence sites in Queensland and determined that none of them are suitable for regional quarantine facilities.
“The criteria for a regional quarantine facility, that the Prime Minister dropped on us I think a week or two ago, is that they have to be on Commonwealth land.
“If they have assessed defence facilities in Queensland and determined none are suitable, that doesn’t leave any other suitable Commonwealth land.
“Effectively ruled out a regional quarantine facility here in Queensland with their repeated additions of new requirements, new Federal Government criteria.
“And we were just urge them to reconsider our proposal for Wellcamp and properly consider it, because we think it is the best available option, it can be up and running sooner, cheaper, and will be larger.
“It will have greater capacity than the Victorian proposal.”
Queensland’s Deputy Premier calls for regional quarantine facilities
Steven Miles is really keen on regional quarantine centres.
A few weeks ago, the PM said a proposal to build such a centre in Toowoomba — which is about two hours’ drive from Brisbane depending on how many caravans you get stuck behind — wasn’t “stacking up”.
But Mr Miles reckons it’s a goer:
“We have been saying for months and months, hotel quarantine is not proving as effective as it was with earlier strains .
“We’re seeing this now with the outbreak in Sydney and also with room to room transmission, both across flaws in one case and on a floor in another case here in the Queensland hotel quarantine facilities.
“And that just underlines what we have been saying for a very long time.
“There has been a very long time in which we could have built and have operating regional quarantine facilities, but the Morrison government has refused to co-operate with us on that.
“And they have said this morning that they assessed defence sites in Queensland and determined that none of them are suitable for regional quarantine facilities.
“The criteria for a regional quarantine facility, that the Prime Minister dropped on us I think a week or two ago, is that they have to be on Commonwealth land.
“If they have assessed defence facilities in Queensland and determined none are suitable, that doesn’t leave any other suitable Commonwealth land.
“Effectively ruled out a regional quarantine facility here in Queensland with their repeated additions of new requirements, new Federal Government criteria.
“And we were just urge them to reconsider our proposal for Wellcamp and properly consider it, because we think it is the best available option, it can be up and running sooner, cheaper, and will be larger.
“It will have greater capacity than the Victorian proposal.”
“The criteria for a regional quarantine facility, that the Prime Minister dropped on us I think a week or two ago, is that they have to be on Commonwealth land.
Eight of these cases are linked to a birthday party in West Hoxton, attended by a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster. About 30 people attended this party and they have all been tested and are in isolation. A total of 10 people who attended the party have now tested positive for COVID-19, including a two-year-old child, who attended Little Zak’s childcare in Narellan Vale on June 21
One of these cases is a close contact of a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster
Four are currently unlinked. Urgent investigations and contact tracing are underway
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doesn’t really sound like their test tracé isolate is ahead of the game but hey we’re not running their show
Eight of these cases are linked to a birthday party in West Hoxton, attended by a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster. About 30 people attended this party and they have all been tested and are in isolation. A total of 10 people who attended the party have now tested positive for COVID-19, including a two-year-old child, who attended Little Zak’s childcare in Narellan Vale on June 21
One of these cases is a close contact of a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster
Four are currently unlinked. Urgent investigations and contact tracing are underway
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doesn’t really sound like their test tracé isolate is ahead of the game but hey we’re not running their show
No it doesn’t, but four unlinked cases is a low number. Hopefully they’;; get onn top of it.
Eight of these cases are linked to a birthday party in West Hoxton, attended by a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster. About 30 people attended this party and they have all been tested and are in isolation. A total of 10 people who attended the party have now tested positive for COVID-19, including a two-year-old child, who attended Little Zak’s childcare in Narellan Vale on June 21
One of these cases is a close contact of a previously reported case linked to the Bondi cluster
Four are currently unlinked. Urgent investigations and contact tracing are underway
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doesn’t really sound like their test tracé isolate is ahead of the game but hey we’re not running their show
No it doesn’t, but four unlinked cases is a low number. Hopefully they’;; get onn top of it.
And the borders are shutting…
Marky McG. has slammed the gate shut on NSW and all who associate with it.
I see on the ABC covid live updates page that Tom Gleeson has arrived in WA to be told NSW people can’t come in. Timewise, thinking about it…he would have been in the air when the border shut at 11.00am if he was flying from Sydney? I see there is also a plane about to land in Adelaide in a similar situation.
I see on the ABC covid live updates page that Tom Gleeson has arrived in WA to be told NSW people can’t come in. Timewise, thinking about it…he would have been in the air when the border shut at 11.00am if he was flying from Sydney? I see there is also a plane about to land in Adelaide in a similar situation.
The SA mob have said they’ll look at each person’s circumstances and make decisions on a case-by-case basis.
told everyone to fucking eradicate it a year ago and now we see
I’ve told you a number of times that no one listens to you!
I do.
Did people here expect the Covid infection and response to play out any differently to how it has.
I expected the human reaction to be almost as bad as the virus itself, capable nations show just how incapable they were, all about money for the most part.
The big boys didn’t help did they, no banks said OK mortages on hold for the next couple of years, we’ll stop the interest as well.
Real estate didn’t put rent on hold if the business was shut down.
Government bail outs that barely did anything and they can only do so much if the big business with trillions in assets and actual money do nothing.
Irresponsible people with misinformation and conspiracies
I’ve told you a number of times that no one listens to you!
I do.
Did people here expect the Covid infection and response to play out any differently to how it has.
I expected the human reaction to be almost as bad as the virus itself, capable nations show just how incapable they were, all about money for the most part.
The big boys didn’t help did they, no banks said OK mortages on hold for the next couple of years, we’ll stop the interest as well.
Real estate didn’t put rent on hold if the business was shut down.
Government bail outs that barely did anything and they can only do so much if the big business with trillions in assets and actual money do nothing.
Irresponsible people with misinformation and conspiracies
I had no particular expectations about the response. I read as much as I could about it until late April last year. I still keep up with stuff, but not everything, as before. I decided to keep myself well away from others as much as possible, from mid-January last year. I had (and still have) no desire to get infected.
But I do worry that I haven’t been able to see my doctor to ask the questions and I can’t see her till August sometime. And I smoke more than mr cars sister who went through a grim time.
But I do worry that I haven’t been able to see my doctor to ask the questions and I can’t see her till August sometime. And I smoke more than mr cars sister who went through a grim time.
I don’t know if you do smoke more than her. And bear in mind she has only 25% lung capacity due to emphysema.
But I do worry that I haven’t been able to see my doctor to ask the questions and I can’t see her till August sometime. And I smoke more than mr cars sister who went through a grim time.
I don’t know if you do smoke more than her. And bear in mind she has only 25% lung capacity due to emphysema.
But I do worry that I haven’t been able to see my doctor to ask the questions and I can’t see her till August sometime. And I smoke more than mr cars sister who went through a grim time.
I don’t know if you do smoke more than her. And bear in mind she has only 25% lung capacity due to emphysema.
my lungs are bad,
I’ve been smoking longer.
I pulled this one out to have a go at Bill of many names when he was balking at the AZ.
What you are looking at, is proof that high vaccination rates, even above one jab per person, is nowhere near sufficient to stop mass deaths due to the covid virus.
Or to put it another way. Not even the highest rate of vaccination take-up now in the world suffices to stop deaths from the virus, or even slow it perceptably.
Or to put it a third way. So far, vaccination has been useless. We need even higher rates of vaccination than this before it becomes useful.
I don’t know if you do smoke more than her. And bear in mind she has only 25% lung capacity due to emphysema.
my lungs are bad,
I’ve been smoking longer.
I pulled this one out to have a go at Bill of many names when he was balking at the AZ.
I could have got it ages ago if could drive. Seeing I have waited for AZ to come to my little town I should take it up. It’s not like I can get to one of the other types when they come available.
What you are looking at, is proof that high vaccination rates, even above one jab per person, is nowhere near sufficient to stop mass deaths due to the covid virus.
Or to put it another way. Not even the highest rate of vaccination take-up now in the world suffices to stop deaths from the virus, or even slow it perceptably.
Or to put it a third way. So far, vaccination has been useless. We need even higher rates of vaccination than this before it becomes useful.
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If I’m reading that correctly the new deaths rate is at 0.001%. First off I’d like to know what you mean by “new deaths”. Then I’d like to know why 0.001% is so scary?
I pulled this one out to have a go at Bill of many names when he was balking at the AZ.
I could have got it ages ago if could drive. Seeing I have waited for AZ to come to my little town I should take it up. It’s not like I can get to one of the other types when they come available.
I pulled this one out to have a go at Bill of many names when he was balking at the AZ.
I could have got it ages ago if could drive. Seeing I have waited for AZ to come to my little town I should take it up. It’s not like I can get to one of the other types when they come available.
Yes :)
And I wasn’t going to a Bruce Springsteen concert anyway.
I could have got it ages ago if could drive. Seeing I have waited for AZ to come to my little town I should take it up. It’s not like I can get to one of the other types when they come available.
Yes :)
And I wasn’t going to a Bruce Springsteen concert anyway.
What you are looking at, is proof that high vaccination rates, even above one jab per person, is nowhere near sufficient to stop mass deaths due to the covid virus.
Or to put it another way. Not even the highest rate of vaccination take-up now in the world suffices to stop deaths from the virus, or even slow it perceptably.
Or to put it a third way. So far, vaccination has been useless. We need even higher rates of vaccination than this before it becomes useful.
This graph says to me that countries with high death rates have undergone ambitious vaccination programs, and countries with low death rates haven’t been too worried about the pace.
The graph we’d need to see is among those countries with high vaccination rates, what was the death rate before and after.
This graph says to me that countries with high death rates have undergone ambitious vaccination programs, and countries with low death rates haven’t been too worried about the pace.
The graph we’d need to see is among those countries with high vaccination rates, what was the death rate before and after.
I’ll get you started
The US is 46% fully vaccinated, it was 1% vaccinated on 24 Jan. It is now incurring 352 deaths per day (about 1 ppm/day). On 24 Jan it was suffering 3550 deaths per day (about 10 ppm/day). That’s a 90% reduction.
Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
This graph says to me that countries with high death rates have undergone ambitious vaccination programs, and countries with low death rates haven’t been too worried about the pace.
The graph we’d need to see is among those countries with high vaccination rates, what was the death rate before and after.
I’ll get you started
The US is 46% fully vaccinated, it was 1% vaccinated on 24 Jan. It is now incurring 352 deaths per day (about 1 ppm/day). On 24 Jan it was suffering 3550 deaths per day (about 10 ppm/day). That’s a 90% reduction.
Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
The horizontal axis is vaccination rate, which increases with time.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
As for Uruguay, the death rate remained effectively constant, and the highest in the world, up to a vaccination rollout of about 100%.
Let’s translate this to the USA. If the USA had the same death rate as Bahrain/Uruguay at the same vaccination rate as Bahrain, then the death rate in the USA would be ten times higher, the same as it was when it was 1% vaccinated. I repeat, at the current vaccination rate in the USA, the death toll there could be ten times higher.
To put that another way, the decline in deaths in the USA may have nothing whetever to do with vaccination there. You don’t find that frightening?
The decline in deaths in a lot of countries at the end of the first and second waves has nothing to do with vaccination.
Currently, vaccine doses in the USA per M population is only 90% of that in Bahrain and only 95% of that in Uruguay.
> Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
That’s a HELL of a lot of calculation, I hope you know.
“I’m talking about somebody who works for New South Wales Parliament who may be a positive case.
“And I think — what I understood — I mean, what I understand is that they’re working through those issues.
“They’re having further discussions, as they do on these issues.
“But in the meantime I have been advised that I may be a close contact.
“They’ve gotta ascertain and confirm with the usual scientific requirements that the case is actually a positive case.
“But in the meantime, obviously they’ve interviewed that person and that person has identified me as having been possibly close to that person, and that person therefore has now caused… I don’t mean ‘that person has caused’ because it can happen to anybody.
“That situation has now caused me to have to be exercising extreme caution.
“I’m talking about somebody who works for New South Wales Parliament who may be a positive case.
“And I think — what I understood — I mean, what I understand is that they’re working through those issues.
“They’re having further discussions, as they do on these issues.
“But in the meantime I have been advised that I may be a close contact.
“They’ve gotta ascertain and confirm with the usual scientific requirements that the case is actually a positive case.
“But in the meantime, obviously they’ve interviewed that person and that person has identified me as having been possibly close to that person, and that person therefore has now caused… I don’t mean ‘that person has caused’ because it can happen to anybody.
“That situation has now caused me to have to be exercising extreme caution.
The thing is, was he exercising extreme caution before he was announced to be a close contact?
“A second person linked to Brisbane’s Portuguese Family Centre has contracted COVID-19.
The 62-year-old man, who was at the Ellen Grove restaurant in Brisbane’s south-west on Saturday, told the ABC he returned a positive test result on Wednesday night.
He was identified as a close contact of a woman who flew into Australia from Portugal and visited the restaurant while unknowingly infectious.”
What you are looking at, is proof that high vaccination rates, even above one jab per person, is nowhere near sufficient to stop mass deaths due to the covid virus.
Or to put it another way. Not even the highest rate of vaccination take-up now in the world suffices to stop deaths from the virus, or even slow it perceptably.
Or to put it a third way. So far, vaccination has been useless. We need even higher rates of vaccination than this before it becomes useful.
thanks, moll
I’m not convinced that graph shows anything of the sort.
This graph says to me that countries with high death rates have undergone ambitious vaccination programs, and countries with low death rates haven’t been too worried about the pace.
The graph we’d need to see is among those countries with high vaccination rates, what was the death rate before and after.
I’ll get you started
The US is 46% fully vaccinated, it was 1% vaccinated on 24 Jan. It is now incurring 352 deaths per day (about 1 ppm/day). On 24 Jan it was suffering 3550 deaths per day (about 10 ppm/day). That’s a 90% reduction.
Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
The horizontal axis is vaccination rate, which increases with time.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
As for Uruguay, the death rate remained effectively constant, and the highest in the world, up to a vaccination rollout of about 100%.
Let’s translate this to the USA. If the USA had the same death rate as Bahrain/Uruguay at the same vaccination rate as Bahrain, then the death rate in the USA would be ten times higher, the same as it was when it was 1% vaccinated. I repeat, at the current vaccination rate in the USA, the death toll there could be ten times higher.
To put that another way, the decline in deaths in the USA may have nothing whetever to do with vaccination there. You don’t find that frightening?
The decline in deaths in a lot of countries at the end of the first and second waves has nothing to do with vaccination.
Currently, vaccine doses in the USA per M population is only 90% of that in Bahrain and only 95% of that in Uruguay.
> Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
That’s a HELL of a lot of calculation, I hope you know.
But …
Challenge accepted.
Raw data. Still needs a bit of work. eg. I know of two countries missing from the chart that should be on there.
The US is 46% fully vaccinated, it was 1% vaccinated on 24 Jan. It is now incurring 352 deaths per day (about 1 ppm/day). On 24 Jan it was suffering 3550 deaths per day (about 10 ppm/day). That’s a 90% reduction.
Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
The horizontal axis is vaccination rate, which increases with time.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
As for Uruguay, the death rate remained effectively constant, and the highest in the world, up to a vaccination rollout of about 100%.
Let’s translate this to the USA. If the USA had the same death rate as Bahrain/Uruguay at the same vaccination rate as Bahrain, then the death rate in the USA would be ten times higher, the same as it was when it was 1% vaccinated. I repeat, at the current vaccination rate in the USA, the death toll there could be ten times higher.
To put that another way, the decline in deaths in the USA may have nothing whetever to do with vaccination there. You don’t find that frightening?
The decline in deaths in a lot of countries at the end of the first and second waves has nothing to do with vaccination.
Currently, vaccine doses in the USA per M population is only 90% of that in Bahrain and only 95% of that in Uruguay.
> Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
That’s a HELL of a lot of calculation, I hope you know.
But …
Challenge accepted.
Raw data. Still needs a bit of work. eg. I know of two countries missing from the chart that should be on there.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
Worldometer says Bahrain cases peaked about mid-may, so actual infection peak would have been early May. Death rate peak was early June, and is still falling.
This site:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
says that in early May about 40% of the population had had “at least 1 vaccination”, which I think you will agree is nowhere near 100%.
Your graphs are misleading because of the time-lag between infection and death, and the number of vaccinations/head does not seem consistent with the more relevant “at least 1 vaccination” number.
The US is 46% fully vaccinated, it was 1% vaccinated on 24 Jan. It is now incurring 352 deaths per day (about 1 ppm/day). On 24 Jan it was suffering 3550 deaths per day (about 10 ppm/day). That’s a 90% reduction.
Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
The horizontal axis is vaccination rate, which increases with time.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
As for Uruguay, the death rate remained effectively constant, and the highest in the world, up to a vaccination rollout of about 100%.
Let’s translate this to the USA. If the USA had the same death rate as Bahrain/Uruguay at the same vaccination rate as Bahrain, then the death rate in the USA would be ten times higher, the same as it was when it was 1% vaccinated. I repeat, at the current vaccination rate in the USA, the death toll there could be ten times higher.
To put that another way, the decline in deaths in the USA may have nothing whetever to do with vaccination there. You don’t find that frightening?
The decline in deaths in a lot of countries at the end of the first and second waves has nothing to do with vaccination.
Currently, vaccine doses in the USA per M population is only 90% of that in Bahrain and only 95% of that in Uruguay.
> Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
That’s a HELL of a lot of calculation, I hope you know.
But …
Challenge accepted.
Raw data. Still needs a bit of work. eg. I know of two countries missing from the chart that should be on there.
Frightened yet?
With specific countries marked. Many countries show a decline in death rate with vaccination rate. But some countries, and we can count Chile and Mongolia in that, don’t.
Timescale increases from left to right as more people get fully vaccinated.
“A second person linked to Brisbane’s Portuguese Family Centre has contracted COVID-19.
The 62-year-old man, who was at the Ellen Grove restaurant in Brisbane’s south-west on Saturday, told the ABC he returned a positive test result on Wednesday night.
He was identified as a close contact of a woman who flew into Australia from Portugal and visited the restaurant while unknowingly infectious.”
The horizontal axis is vaccination rate, which increases with time.
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
As for Uruguay, the death rate remained effectively constant, and the highest in the world, up to a vaccination rollout of about 100%.
Let’s translate this to the USA. If the USA had the same death rate as Bahrain/Uruguay at the same vaccination rate as Bahrain, then the death rate in the USA would be ten times higher, the same as it was when it was 1% vaccinated. I repeat, at the current vaccination rate in the USA, the death toll there could be ten times higher.
To put that another way, the decline in deaths in the USA may have nothing whetever to do with vaccination there. You don’t find that frightening?
The decline in deaths in a lot of countries at the end of the first and second waves has nothing to do with vaccination.
Currently, vaccine doses in the USA per M population is only 90% of that in Bahrain and only 95% of that in Uruguay.
> Now make that calculation for all the countries with fully vaccination rates over 25% (decrease in death rate since fvr was 1%) and plot.
That’s a HELL of a lot of calculation, I hope you know.
But …
Challenge accepted.
Raw data. Still needs a bit of work. eg. I know of two countries missing from the chart that should be on there.
Frightened yet?
With specific countries marked. Many countries show a decline in death rate with vaccination rate. But some countries, and we can count Chile and Mongolia in that, don’t.
Timescale increases from left to right as more people get fully vaccinated.
so what are the countries that don’t show a decline doing differently? (If I am to trust the accuracy of the graph)
“A second person linked to Brisbane’s Portuguese Family Centre has contracted COVID-19.
The 62-year-old man, who was at the Ellen Grove restaurant in Brisbane’s south-west on Saturday, told the ABC he returned a positive test result on Wednesday night.
He was identified as a close contact of a woman who flew into Australia from Portugal and visited the restaurant while unknowingly infectious.”
“A second person linked to Brisbane’s Portuguese Family Centre has contracted COVID-19.
The 62-year-old man, who was at the Ellen Grove restaurant in Brisbane’s south-west on Saturday, told the ABC he returned a positive test result on Wednesday night.
He was identified as a close contact of a woman who flew into Australia from Portugal and visited the restaurant while unknowingly infectious.”
Raw data. Still needs a bit of work. eg. I know of two countries missing from the chart that should be on there.
Frightened yet?
With specific countries marked. Many countries show a decline in death rate with vaccination rate. But some countries, and we can count Chile and Mongolia in that, don’t.
Timescale increases from left to right as more people get fully vaccinated.
so what are the countries that don’t show a decline doing differently? (If I am to trust the accuracy of the graph)
Possibly using less effective vaccines. One of the Chinese ones is supposedly not very good.
What we know about the ‘fleeting’ spread of the COVID-19 Delta variant in Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-24/covid-delta-kappa-variant-spread-in-fleeting-moment-nsw-vic/100238680
Australian health officials are warning it no longer takes up to 15 minutes to pass on the deadly virus.
It can be a “fleeting moment” of just five to 10 seconds.
Bit of a difference between 5 seconds and 15 minutes.
With specific countries marked. Many countries show a decline in death rate with vaccination rate. But some countries, and we can count Chile and Mongolia in that, don’t.
Timescale increases from left to right as more people get fully vaccinated.
so what are the countries that don’t show a decline doing differently? (If I am to trust the accuracy of the graph)
Possibly using less effective vaccines. One of the Chinese ones is supposedly not very good.
and cheaper?
I have not been vaccinated yet.. I don’t know why I am hesitating, time maybe (I keep thinking that I might need a few days after the vaccine in case there are side effects).. but also I suspect that vaccination isn’t going to change much in the short or medium term. I don’t think international travel is going to happen any faster, because it would depend on a whole world approach, which is not happening, but mainly I don’t think it is going to change anything much from my corner of the world.. I’m happy to be vaccinated, just don’t see the urgency
so what are the countries that don’t show a decline doing differently? (If I am to trust the accuracy of the graph)
Possibly using less effective vaccines. One of the Chinese ones is supposedly not very good.
and cheaper?
I have not been vaccinated yet.. I don’t know why I am hesitating, time maybe (I keep thinking that I might need a few days after the vaccine in case there are side effects).. but also I suspect that vaccination isn’t going to change much in the short or medium term. I don’t think international travel is going to happen any faster, because it would depend on a whole world approach, which is not happening, but mainly I don’t think it is going to change anything much from my corner of the world.. I’m happy to be vaccinated, just don’t see the urgency
so what are the countries that don’t show a decline doing differently? (If I am to trust the accuracy of the graph)
Possibly using less effective vaccines. One of the Chinese ones is supposedly not very good.
and cheaper?
I have not been vaccinated yet.. I don’t know why I am hesitating, time maybe (I keep thinking that I might need a few days after the vaccine in case there are side effects).. but also I suspect that vaccination isn’t going to change much in the short or medium term. I don’t think international travel is going to happen any faster, because it would depend on a whole world approach, which is not happening, but mainly I don’t think it is going to change anything much from my corner of the world.. I’m happy to be vaccinated, just don’t see the urgency
Most second doses of AZ or Pfiz seem to make people feel unwell for a day or three depending.
Possibly using less effective vaccines. One of the Chinese ones is supposedly not very good.
and cheaper?
I have not been vaccinated yet.. I don’t know why I am hesitating, time maybe (I keep thinking that I might need a few days after the vaccine in case there are side effects).. but also I suspect that vaccination isn’t going to change much in the short or medium term. I don’t think international travel is going to happen any faster, because it would depend on a whole world approach, which is not happening, but mainly I don’t think it is going to change anything much from my corner of the world.. I’m happy to be vaccinated, just don’t see the urgency
I have not been vaccinated yet.. I don’t know why I am hesitating, time maybe (I keep thinking that I might need a few days after the vaccine in case there are side effects).. but also I suspect that vaccination isn’t going to change much in the short or medium term. I don’t think international travel is going to happen any faster, because it would depend on a whole world approach, which is not happening, but mainly I don’t think it is going to change anything much from my corner of the world.. I’m happy to be vaccinated, just don’t see the urgency
Stanford study finds inflammation in brains of deceased COVID-19 patients
The most detailed investigation so far into the effect of COVID-19 on brain tissue has been conducted
New research led by the Stanford School of Medicine is offering a detailed investigation into brain tissue from those who died from COVID-19. Although no trace of the SARS-CoV-2 virus could be detected, “profound molecular markers of inflammation” were seen, offering clues as to why some patients suffer expansive neurological symptoms following infection.
Stanford neuroscientist Tony Wyss-Coray is perhaps best known for his work transferring plasma from young mice into old mice and discovering it can reverse age-related cognitive decline. Those infamous studies inspired a variety of controversial companies promising to reverse aging through transfusions of young blood.
Wyss-Coray is still investigating exactly what mechanism can explain the mouse findings, and no evidence has yet appeared to show young blood confers those same beneficial effects in humans. One hypothesis is that inflammatory responses in the brain can be triggered by factors in the blood outside of the brain.
As the COVID-19 pandemic took off last year, Wyss-Coray noticed patients frequently reporting neurological symptoms accompanying infections. And many patients still reported neurological symptoms for months after recovering from any acute disease. So two questions framed this new research – can SARS-CoV-2 actually cross the blood-brain barrier to infect a human brain, and what unusual molecular markers can be detected in the brain of a deceased COVID-19 patient?
The research team systematically analyzed 30 brain tissue samples from eight COVID-19 patients and 14 healthy controls. The brain tissue came from the frontal cortex and choroid plexus.
Using single-cell RNA sequencing to measure the expression levels of genes in over 65,000 individual cells, the researchers found a large number of genes linked with inflammatory processes were activated in the brain tissue of COVID-19 patients. Levels of T cells were also more abundant in the COVID-19 patient brains than healthy controls.
“Viral infection appears to trigger inflammatory responses throughout the body that may cause inflammatory signaling across the blood-brain barrier, which in turn could trip off neuroinflammation in the brain,” explains Wyss-Coray. “It’s likely that many COVID-19 patients, especially those reporting or exhibiting neurological problems or those who are hospitalized, have these neuroinflammatory markers we saw in the people we looked at who had died from the disease.”
Wyss-Coray says the molecular markers of inflammation detected in the study share distinct features with what is observed in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.
It is important to note none of the patients displayed any signs of neurological impairment prior to their death. Further work looking for signs of neuroinflammation in cerebrospinal fluid from surviving COVID-19 patients will be necessary to better understand the potential long-term implications.
The study does note there is precedent for an acute viral infection triggering long-term neuroinflammation. So, while the relationship between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation is plausible, it certainly is too early to tell what kind of chronic conditions this all could lead to. Wyss-Coray does hypothesize this potential inflammatory mechanism could explain the symptoms seen in long COVID patients, including fatigue, brain fog and depression.
A more controversial finding in this new study comes from the researchers inability to find any trace of SARS-CoV-2 in the brain tissue of deceased patients. Scientists are still debating whether this novel coronavirus can actually cross the blood-brain barrier and directly infect brain tissue.
A study from Yale University researchers earlier this year found that, hypothetically, the virus can infect brain cells but it is still unknown whether that is actually occurring in real-world infections. Wyss-Coray says his team couldn’t detect any virus in the brain tissue samples they studied.
“We used the same tools they’ve used – as well as other, more definitive ones – and really looked hard for the virus’s presence. And we couldn’t find it,” says Wyss-Coray.
This new research presents the plausible hypothesis that the neurological symptoms associated with COVID-19 and long COVID are due to the way the virus induces peripheral inflammation in the brain, rather than the virus actually directly infecting the brain.
The study concluded by affirming the importance of elucidating these molecular processes as the long-term effects of COVID-19 will not be known for years to come. Other researchers have already warned excessive neuroinflammation triggered by COVID-19 could enhance a person’s risk of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson’s, so understanding how this virus can affect the brain will help inform our tracking of the neurological consequences of infection as they emerge.
Stanford study finds inflammation in brains of deceased COVID-19 patients
The most detailed investigation so far into the effect of COVID-19 on brain tissue has been conducted
New research led by the Stanford School of Medicine is offering a detailed investigation into brain tissue from those who died from COVID-19. Although no trace of the SARS-CoV-2 virus could be detected, “profound molecular markers of inflammation” were seen, offering clues as to why some patients suffer expansive neurological symptoms following infection.
Stanford neuroscientist Tony Wyss-Coray is perhaps best known for his work transferring plasma from young mice into old mice and discovering it can reverse age-related cognitive decline. Those infamous studies inspired a variety of controversial companies promising to reverse aging through transfusions of young blood.
Wyss-Coray is still investigating exactly what mechanism can explain the mouse findings, and no evidence has yet appeared to show young blood confers those same beneficial effects in humans. One hypothesis is that inflammatory responses in the brain can be triggered by factors in the blood outside of the brain.
As the COVID-19 pandemic took off last year, Wyss-Coray noticed patients frequently reporting neurological symptoms accompanying infections. And many patients still reported neurological symptoms for months after recovering from any acute disease. So two questions framed this new research – can SARS-CoV-2 actually cross the blood-brain barrier to infect a human brain, and what unusual molecular markers can be detected in the brain of a deceased COVID-19 patient?
The research team systematically analyzed 30 brain tissue samples from eight COVID-19 patients and 14 healthy controls. The brain tissue came from the frontal cortex and choroid plexus.
Using single-cell RNA sequencing to measure the expression levels of genes in over 65,000 individual cells, the researchers found a large number of genes linked with inflammatory processes were activated in the brain tissue of COVID-19 patients. Levels of T cells were also more abundant in the COVID-19 patient brains than healthy controls.
“Viral infection appears to trigger inflammatory responses throughout the body that may cause inflammatory signaling across the blood-brain barrier, which in turn could trip off neuroinflammation in the brain,” explains Wyss-Coray. “It’s likely that many COVID-19 patients, especially those reporting or exhibiting neurological problems or those who are hospitalized, have these neuroinflammatory markers we saw in the people we looked at who had died from the disease.”
Wyss-Coray says the molecular markers of inflammation detected in the study share distinct features with what is observed in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.
It is important to note none of the patients displayed any signs of neurological impairment prior to their death. Further work looking for signs of neuroinflammation in cerebrospinal fluid from surviving COVID-19 patients will be necessary to better understand the potential long-term implications.
The study does note there is precedent for an acute viral infection triggering long-term neuroinflammation. So, while the relationship between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation is plausible, it certainly is too early to tell what kind of chronic conditions this all could lead to. Wyss-Coray does hypothesize this potential inflammatory mechanism could explain the symptoms seen in long COVID patients, including fatigue, brain fog and depression.
A more controversial finding in this new study comes from the researchers inability to find any trace of SARS-CoV-2 in the brain tissue of deceased patients. Scientists are still debating whether this novel coronavirus can actually cross the blood-brain barrier and directly infect brain tissue.
A study from Yale University researchers earlier this year found that, hypothetically, the virus can infect brain cells but it is still unknown whether that is actually occurring in real-world infections. Wyss-Coray says his team couldn’t detect any virus in the brain tissue samples they studied.
“We used the same tools they’ve used – as well as other, more definitive ones – and really looked hard for the virus’s presence. And we couldn’t find it,” says Wyss-Coray.
This new research presents the plausible hypothesis that the neurological symptoms associated with COVID-19 and long COVID are due to the way the virus induces peripheral inflammation in the brain, rather than the virus actually directly infecting the brain.
The study concluded by affirming the importance of elucidating these molecular processes as the long-term effects of COVID-19 will not be known for years to come. Other researchers have already warned excessive neuroinflammation triggered by COVID-19 could enhance a person’s risk of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson’s, so understanding how this virus can affect the brain will help inform our tracking of the neurological consequences of infection as they emerge.
I can’t say this is particularly surprising. Inflammation in response to infection is pretty normal. And if you hype up the immune system, it’s likely to be hyped up all over the body to some extent.
Stanford study finds inflammation in brains of deceased COVID-19 patients
The most detailed investigation so far into the effect of COVID-19 on brain tissue has been conducted
New research led by the Stanford School of Medicine is offering a detailed investigation into brain tissue from those who died from COVID-19. Although no trace of the SARS-CoV-2 virus could be detected, “profound molecular markers of inflammation” were seen, offering clues as to why some patients suffer expansive neurological symptoms following infection.
Stanford neuroscientist Tony Wyss-Coray is perhaps best known for his work transferring plasma from young mice into old mice and discovering it can reverse age-related cognitive decline. Those infamous studies inspired a variety of controversial companies promising to reverse aging through transfusions of young blood.
Wyss-Coray is still investigating exactly what mechanism can explain the mouse findings, and no evidence has yet appeared to show young blood confers those same beneficial effects in humans. One hypothesis is that inflammatory responses in the brain can be triggered by factors in the blood outside of the brain.
As the COVID-19 pandemic took off last year, Wyss-Coray noticed patients frequently reporting neurological symptoms accompanying infections. And many patients still reported neurological symptoms for months after recovering from any acute disease. So two questions framed this new research – can SARS-CoV-2 actually cross the blood-brain barrier to infect a human brain, and what unusual molecular markers can be detected in the brain of a deceased COVID-19 patient?
The research team systematically analyzed 30 brain tissue samples from eight COVID-19 patients and 14 healthy controls. The brain tissue came from the frontal cortex and choroid plexus.
Using single-cell RNA sequencing to measure the expression levels of genes in over 65,000 individual cells, the researchers found a large number of genes linked with inflammatory processes were activated in the brain tissue of COVID-19 patients. Levels of T cells were also more abundant in the COVID-19 patient brains than healthy controls.
“Viral infection appears to trigger inflammatory responses throughout the body that may cause inflammatory signaling across the blood-brain barrier, which in turn could trip off neuroinflammation in the brain,” explains Wyss-Coray. “It’s likely that many COVID-19 patients, especially those reporting or exhibiting neurological problems or those who are hospitalized, have these neuroinflammatory markers we saw in the people we looked at who had died from the disease.”
Wyss-Coray says the molecular markers of inflammation detected in the study share distinct features with what is observed in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.
It is important to note none of the patients displayed any signs of neurological impairment prior to their death. Further work looking for signs of neuroinflammation in cerebrospinal fluid from surviving COVID-19 patients will be necessary to better understand the potential long-term implications.
The study does note there is precedent for an acute viral infection triggering long-term neuroinflammation. So, while the relationship between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation is plausible, it certainly is too early to tell what kind of chronic conditions this all could lead to. Wyss-Coray does hypothesize this potential inflammatory mechanism could explain the symptoms seen in long COVID patients, including fatigue, brain fog and depression.
A more controversial finding in this new study comes from the researchers inability to find any trace of SARS-CoV-2 in the brain tissue of deceased patients. Scientists are still debating whether this novel coronavirus can actually cross the blood-brain barrier and directly infect brain tissue.
A study from Yale University researchers earlier this year found that, hypothetically, the virus can infect brain cells but it is still unknown whether that is actually occurring in real-world infections. Wyss-Coray says his team couldn’t detect any virus in the brain tissue samples they studied.
“We used the same tools they’ve used – as well as other, more definitive ones – and really looked hard for the virus’s presence. And we couldn’t find it,” says Wyss-Coray.
This new research presents the plausible hypothesis that the neurological symptoms associated with COVID-19 and long COVID are due to the way the virus induces peripheral inflammation in the brain, rather than the virus actually directly infecting the brain.
The study concluded by affirming the importance of elucidating these molecular processes as the long-term effects of COVID-19 will not be known for years to come. Other researchers have already warned excessive neuroinflammation triggered by COVID-19 could enhance a person’s risk of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson’s, so understanding how this virus can affect the brain will help inform our tracking of the neurological consequences of infection as they emerge.
I can’t say this is particularly surprising. Inflammation in response to infection is pretty normal. And if you hype up the immune system, it’s likely to be hyped up all over the body to some extent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica
worth a read^ maybe, I read some oliver sacks books got me interested
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meninges
and this^ quick glance suggests doesn’t mention becomes a lot more porous with stress, but was covered in an NS article way back
Stanford study finds inflammation in brains of deceased COVID-19 patients
The most detailed investigation so far into the effect of COVID-19 on brain tissue has been conducted
New research led by the Stanford School of Medicine is offering a detailed investigation into brain tissue from those who died from COVID-19. Although no trace of the SARS-CoV-2 virus could be detected, “profound molecular markers of inflammation” were seen, offering clues as to why some patients suffer expansive neurological symptoms following infection.
Stanford neuroscientist Tony Wyss-Coray is perhaps best known for his work transferring plasma from young mice into old mice and discovering it can reverse age-related cognitive decline. Those infamous studies inspired a variety of controversial companies promising to reverse aging through transfusions of young blood.
Wyss-Coray is still investigating exactly what mechanism can explain the mouse findings, and no evidence has yet appeared to show young blood confers those same beneficial effects in humans. One hypothesis is that inflammatory responses in the brain can be triggered by factors in the blood outside of the brain.
As the COVID-19 pandemic took off last year, Wyss-Coray noticed patients frequently reporting neurological symptoms accompanying infections. And many patients still reported neurological symptoms for months after recovering from any acute disease. So two questions framed this new research – can SARS-CoV-2 actually cross the blood-brain barrier to infect a human brain, and what unusual molecular markers can be detected in the brain of a deceased COVID-19 patient?
The research team systematically analyzed 30 brain tissue samples from eight COVID-19 patients and 14 healthy controls. The brain tissue came from the frontal cortex and choroid plexus.
Using single-cell RNA sequencing to measure the expression levels of genes in over 65,000 individual cells, the researchers found a large number of genes linked with inflammatory processes were activated in the brain tissue of COVID-19 patients. Levels of T cells were also more abundant in the COVID-19 patient brains than healthy controls.
“Viral infection appears to trigger inflammatory responses throughout the body that may cause inflammatory signaling across the blood-brain barrier, which in turn could trip off neuroinflammation in the brain,” explains Wyss-Coray. “It’s likely that many COVID-19 patients, especially those reporting or exhibiting neurological problems or those who are hospitalized, have these neuroinflammatory markers we saw in the people we looked at who had died from the disease.”
Wyss-Coray says the molecular markers of inflammation detected in the study share distinct features with what is observed in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.
It is important to note none of the patients displayed any signs of neurological impairment prior to their death. Further work looking for signs of neuroinflammation in cerebrospinal fluid from surviving COVID-19 patients will be necessary to better understand the potential long-term implications.
The study does note there is precedent for an acute viral infection triggering long-term neuroinflammation. So, while the relationship between COVID-19 and neuroinflammation is plausible, it certainly is too early to tell what kind of chronic conditions this all could lead to. Wyss-Coray does hypothesize this potential inflammatory mechanism could explain the symptoms seen in long COVID patients, including fatigue, brain fog and depression.
A more controversial finding in this new study comes from the researchers inability to find any trace of SARS-CoV-2 in the brain tissue of deceased patients. Scientists are still debating whether this novel coronavirus can actually cross the blood-brain barrier and directly infect brain tissue.
A study from Yale University researchers earlier this year found that, hypothetically, the virus can infect brain cells but it is still unknown whether that is actually occurring in real-world infections. Wyss-Coray says his team couldn’t detect any virus in the brain tissue samples they studied.
“We used the same tools they’ve used – as well as other, more definitive ones – and really looked hard for the virus’s presence. And we couldn’t find it,” says Wyss-Coray.
This new research presents the plausible hypothesis that the neurological symptoms associated with COVID-19 and long COVID are due to the way the virus induces peripheral inflammation in the brain, rather than the virus actually directly infecting the brain.
The study concluded by affirming the importance of elucidating these molecular processes as the long-term effects of COVID-19 will not be known for years to come. Other researchers have already warned excessive neuroinflammation triggered by COVID-19 could enhance a person’s risk of developing neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson’s, so understanding how this virus can affect the brain will help inform our tracking of the neurological consequences of infection as they emerge.
I can’t say this is particularly surprising. Inflammation in response to infection is pretty normal. And if you hype up the immune system, it’s likely to be hyped up all over the body to some extent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica
worth a read^ maybe, I read some oliver sacks books got me interested
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meninges
and this^ quick glance suggests doesn’t mention becomes a lot more porous with stress, but was covered in an NS article way back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood%E2%80%93brain_barrier
this should have posted^
An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.”
An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.”
Jaysus, is all this foul language really required?
It’s not cricket.
true but we hear the delta variant is a great catch
Delta, also known as B.1.617.2, belongs to a viral lineage first identified in India during a ferocious wave of infections there in April and May. Delta seems to be around 60% more transmissible than the already highly infectious Alpha variant (also called B.1.1.7) identified in the United Kingdom in late 2020.
Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca’s or Pfizer’s vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).
Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.
Jaysus, is all this foul language really required?
It’s not cricket.
true but we hear the delta variant is a great catch
Delta, also known as B.1.617.2, belongs to a viral lineage first identified in India during a ferocious wave of infections there in April and May. Delta seems to be around 60% more transmissible than the already highly infectious Alpha variant (also called B.1.1.7) identified in the United Kingdom in late 2020.
Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca’s or Pfizer’s vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).
Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.
> Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.
That’s really surprising. Alpha is the “Kent” variant, I believe.
I would have expected Delta to be much less likely to end up in hospital. Delta’s mortality is only 0.1% as against 0.4% mortality for the Kent variant. Both have low mortality compared to the world average of 2%, original Chinese strain mortality of 4.1%, the current Mexico/Peru strain of 9%, and the first European strains of 18.5%.
PS From memory, Wikipedia’s entry on the delta strain gives numbers in each country. Australia is one of the countries on the list with the highest incidence of delta strain. The UK has the highest number of delta strain cases in the world, well above that of India.
I can’t say this is particularly surprising. Inflammation in response to infection is pretty normal. And if you hype up the immune system, it’s likely to be hyped up all over the body to some extent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis_lethargica
worth a read^ maybe, I read some oliver sacks books got me interested
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meninges
and this^ quick glance suggests doesn’t mention becomes a lot more porous with stress, but was covered in an NS article way back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood%E2%80%93brain_barrier
this should have posted^
indeed, next we’ll have people arguing that all those people dying of colds and mild influenzas and asthma and peanut allergies had unsurprising inflammation all over their brains as well oh wait they don’t then what a surprise as well
true but we hear the delta variant is a great catch
Delta, also known as B.1.617.2, belongs to a viral lineage first identified in India during a ferocious wave of infections there in April and May. Delta seems to be around 60% more transmissible than the already highly infectious Alpha variant (also called B.1.1.7) identified in the United Kingdom in late 2020.
Delta is moderately resistant to vaccines, particularly in people who have received just a single dose. A Public Health England study published on 22 May found that a single dose of either AstraZeneca’s or Pfizer’s vaccine reduced a person’s risk of developing COVID-19 symptoms caused by the Delta variant by 33%, compared to 50% for the Alpha variant. A second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine boosted protection against Delta to 60% (compared to 66% against Alpha), while two doses of Pfizer’s jab were 88% effective (compared to 93% against Alpha).
Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.
> Preliminary evidence from England and Scotland suggests that people infected with Delta are about twice as likely to end up in hospital, compared with those infected with Alpha.
That’s really surprising. Alpha is the “Kent” variant, I believe.
I would have expected Delta to be much less likely to end up in hospital. Delta’s mortality is only 0.1% as against 0.4% mortality for the Kent variant. Both have low mortality compared to the world average of 2%, original Chinese strain mortality of 4.1%, the current Mexico/Peru strain of 9%, and the first European strains of 18.5%.
PS From memory, Wikipedia’s entry on the delta strain gives numbers in each country. Australia is one of the countries on the list with the highest incidence of delta strain. The UK has the highest number of delta strain cases in the world, well above that of India.
I think your mortality rate estimates are artifacts of incorrect case number estimates. You contention that the Indian strain is more prevalent in UK than India is because of low testing in the latter country.
Is there a backstory to this that I should be aware of?
well the experts and “experts” have been having squabbles all pandemic long but we just thought that some of them pointing out the backward nature of healthcare systems was of interest
epidemiologists play straight, to give Gutful chance of arguing that “see we didn’t need to do what they said, and we’re still gold” except as they say the dirty NSWuhanese already exported their shit to VIC and NZ yet again
so yeah even if you NSW authoritarian fuckers keep your own under control, no thanks to you from VIC or NZ for being selfish arseholes
The latest outbreak in NSW has seen fresh border closures and restrictions, and hit the state Parliament — one minister has COVID and special arrangements were required to get the state budget passed.
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said: “Since the pandemic has started, this is perhaps the scariest period that New South Wales is going through.”
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what they mean is, this is for politician arseholes perhaps the scariest period that New South Wales is going through because for the first time they’re actually facing what they expect the rest of the plebs to deal with for their Economy Must Grow ideology
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
Worldometer says Bahrain cases peaked about mid-may, so actual infection peak would have been early May. Death rate peak was early June, and is still falling.
This site:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
says that in early May about 40% of the population had had “at least 1 vaccination”, which I think you will agree is nowhere near 100%.
Your graphs are misleading because of the time-lag between infection and death, and the number of vaccinations/head does not seem consistent with the more relevant “at least 1 vaccination” number.
The way that data is smoothed in Ourworldondata introduces a time lag, too, of 3 days. For Bahrain, the peak deaths smoothed was 6 June 2021. Removing the smoothing time-lag makes that 3 June. Peak cases smoothed was on 29 May 2021. Removing the smoothing time-lag makes that 26 May 2021. From a study I did last year, the time lag between infection and cases varies between strains but is typically about 7 days. 7 days from 26 May 2021 is 19 May 2021. So let’s take that as our best estimate of the peak infection date.
On the 19 May 2021, 39% of Bahrain’s population was fully vaccinated.(2 doses). 51% of the entire population had received at least one vaccination dose.
This still doesn’t change the conclusions one iota. It’s still darn frightening that the world’s second highest covid death rate on 6 June was the result of infections circa 19 May when 39% of the population was fully vaccinated and 51% had at least one vaccine dose.
To put it another way, circa 19 May 2021, the country (larger than Malta) with the world’s second highest infection rate (only Uruguay was higher) was the same country as the country with the world’s second highest vaccination rate (only Israel was higher). UIuguay has a high vaccination rate as well. To put it yet more forcefully: So far, there is no significant inverse correlation between peak Covid deaths and vaccination.
Here is the tabulated data for deaths and vaccination for Bahrain from Ourworldindata. 14 April 2021 was the first day that fully vaccinated people from Bahrain exceeded 25% of the population. Fifth column is smoothed new deaths, last column is percentage fully vaccinated.
Earlier, the Commonwealth ruled out all Federally-owned sites in QLD for dedicated quarantine facilities. Now they’ve found a site near Brisbane airport. I wonder why the Wellcamp proposal was so vigorously rejected?
(And yes, I know Alan Jones, the ultra-right broadcaster has a long-term passionate personal hatred of the Wagners, who proposed the Wellcamp facilities.)
The death rate is supposed to decrease as vaccination increases, but for Bahrain the exact opposite is true. Not only has the death rate in Bahrain increased with vaccination rate, but the death rate at a vaccination rollout of 100% was the second highest in the world.
Worldometer says Bahrain cases peaked about mid-may, so actual infection peak would have been early May. Death rate peak was early June, and is still falling.
This site:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
says that in early May about 40% of the population had had “at least 1 vaccination”, which I think you will agree is nowhere near 100%.
Your graphs are misleading because of the time-lag between infection and death, and the number of vaccinations/head does not seem consistent with the more relevant “at least 1 vaccination” number.
The way that data is smoothed in Ourworldondata introduces a time lag, too, of 3 days. For Bahrain, the peak deaths smoothed was 6 June 2021. Removing the smoothing time-lag makes that 3 June. Peak cases smoothed was on 29 May 2021. Removing the smoothing time-lag makes that 26 May 2021. From a study I did last year, the time lag between infection and cases varies between strains but is typically about 7 days. 7 days from 26 May 2021 is 19 May 2021. So let’s take that as our best estimate of the peak infection date.
On the 19 May 2021, 39% of Bahrain’s population was fully vaccinated.(2 doses). 51% of the entire population had received at least one vaccination dose.
This still doesn’t change the conclusions one iota. It’s still darn frightening that the world’s second highest covid death rate on 6 June was the result of infections circa 19 May when 39% of the population was fully vaccinated and 51% had at least one vaccine dose.
To put it another way, circa 19 May 2021, the country (larger than Malta) with the world’s second highest deadly infection rate (only Uruguay was higher) was the same country as the country with the world’s second highest vaccination rate (only Israel was higher). Uruguay has a high vaccination rate as well. To put it yet more forcefully: So far, there is no significant inverse correlation between peak Covid deaths and vaccination.
Here is the tabulated data for deaths and vaccination for Bahrain from Ourworldindata. 14 April 2021 was the first day that fully vaccinated people from Bahrain exceeded 25% of the population. Fifth column is smoothed new deaths, last column is percentage fully vaccinated.
> which I think you will agree is nowhere near 100%.
Even as early as the time of infection, 19 May, the number of vaccine doses dispensed, the vaccine rollout, in Bahrain equalled 89% of the population, which I think you will agree is near 100%.
“Three-day lockdowns don’t work if you’ve got distributed disease,” Dr Chant said.
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you mean if it’s too late
Distributed = out of hand.
Good point, they mean distributed it to other states / countries because it’s all fine back home in NSWuhan but pity about those cases exported already.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced people who live in, or have worked in four Sydney local government areas in the past two weeks, will be locked down.
“In the four local government council areas of Woolhara, Waverley, Randwick and the City of Sydney — if you live or work in those local government areas, you need to stay at home unless absolutely necessary,” she said.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced people who live in, or have worked in four Sydney local government areas in the past two weeks, will be locked down.
“In the four local government council areas of Woolhara, Waverley, Randwick and the City of Sydney — if you live or work in those local government areas, you need to stay at home unless absolutely necessary,” she said.
Didn’t Chairman Dan try this localised lockdown thing for a bit and ended up with it getting out of hand down in the place to be ¿
We CAN call it a lockdown
Did anyone else find it weird that Gladys wouldn’t use the word lockdown?
-The L word
I have to say I’m relieved there’s finally lockd- sorry, Stay-at-Home orders for Sydney. I just hope they’ve caught it in time to stop it spreading to the regions.
The L word
Ok, so this was bought up in the press conference with NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian:
Reporter: The people in the four LGAs are not allowed to leave their homes unless for the five essential reasons. Is there a reason why you’re not using the word “lockdown?”
Berejiklian: You can use whatever word you want but what is important for me is to explain to the citizens who is directly impacted and what our citizens can and can’t do.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced people who live in, or have worked in four Sydney local government areas in the past two weeks, will be locked down.
“In the four local government council areas of Woolhara, Waverley, Randwick and the City of Sydney — if you live or work in those local government areas, you need to stay at home unless absolutely necessary,” she said.
Didn’t Chairman Dan try this localised lockdown thing for a bit and ended up with it getting out of hand down in the place to be ¿
So are NSWuhan the followers again now ¿
Nsw did localised lockdown with the northern beaches outbreak a few months back. Seemed to work.
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced people who live in, or have worked in four Sydney local government areas in the past two weeks, will be locked down.
“In the four local government council areas of Woolhara, Waverley, Randwick and the City of Sydney — if you live or work in those local government areas, you need to stay at home unless absolutely necessary,” she said.
Didn’t Chairman Dan try this localised lockdown thing for a bit and ended up with it getting out of hand down in the place to be ¿
So are NSWuhan the followers again now ¿
Nsw did localised lockdown with the northern beaches outbreak a few months back. Seemed to work.
Just as well TA wasn’t positive at the time he went bike riding then, wasn’t it…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/victoria-covid-19-hospital-infections-during-second-wave/100244504
Victorian COVID-19 review finds 277 instances where patients caught the virus in hospital
Of which 85 died.
Hillsong Conference Sydney 2021 | Eventlas
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The Annual Hillsong Conference Sydney. Start Date. Tuesday, June 29, 2021. End Date. rFriday, July 2, 202
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Breathe Again | Hillsong Conference Sydney 2022 | Conference
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We have made the decision to postpone Hillsong Conference 2021 in both Sydney and London until 2022. Though I am disappointed to not see you this year, we will just have to eagerly anticipate hea
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has announced people who live in, or have worked in four Sydney local government areas in the past two weeks, will be locked down.
“In the four local government council areas of Woolhara, Waverley, Randwick and the City of Sydney — if you live or work in those local government areas, you need to stay at home unless absolutely necessary,” she said.
Didn’t Chairman Dan try this localised lockdown thing for a bit and ended up with it getting out of hand down in the place to be ¿
So are NSWuhan the followers again now ¿
Nsw did localised lockdown with the northern beaches outbreak a few months back. Seemed to work.
well we’d be happy for everyone if it works this time but last time wasn’t the big city CBD now was it
Hillsong Conference Sydney 2021 | Eventlas
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The Annual Hillsong Conference Sydney. Start Date. Tuesday, June 29, 2021. End Date. rFriday, July 2, 202
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Breathe Again | Hillsong Conference Sydney 2022 | Conference
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We have made the decision to postpone Hillsong Conference 2021 in both Sydney and London until 2022. Though I am disappointed to not see you this year, we will just have to eagerly anticipate hea
(I had read somewhere someone saying that Gladys wasnt shutting down so Hillsong could do their thing.)
never mind all that, imagine a current situation in which having that capacity might save your arse, something like a local outbreak where you have to quarantine multiple potential contacts, which might avert lockdown staying at home and spreading disease to all household cohabitants, imagine that.
An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.”
The lassie is there to demonstrate the NSW government’s level of concern by looking concerned.
The copper is there to arrest Dr. Peachfuzz if he says anything that implicates the government, or which suggests that The Economy should take a second-row seat.
>> An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.” <<<
>> An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.” <<<
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4th wave. I’ve been keeping count.
I think that might depend on which country you look at. And whether you look at number of cases discovered (remembering that unless you are testing everyone you don’t actually know how many cases there are, only how many symptomatic people bothered to get tested and showed up with this particular virus). I’ll go back to my favourite stalking prey, Sweden. You can make out three waves in the “New Daily Cases” graph, but really only two in the “Daily Deaths” graph.
There is a slight mismatch for the UK too. And doesn’t the first wave of daily cases in the UK look small by comparison to the later wave(s). That could conceivably represent less testing in the early stages, because the deaths first wave is substantial.
>> An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.” <<<
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4th wave. I’ve been keeping count.
I think that might depend on which country you look at. And whether you look at number of cases discovered (remembering that unless you are testing everyone you don’t actually know how many cases there are, only how many symptomatic people bothered to get tested and showed up with this particular virus). I’ll go back to my favourite stalking prey, Sweden. You can make out three waves in the “New Daily Cases” graph, but really only two in the “Daily Deaths” graph.
There is a slight mismatch for the UK too. And doesn’t the first wave of daily cases in the UK look small by comparison to the later wave(s). That could conceivably represent less testing in the early stages, because the deaths first wave is substantial.
there are 3 distinct bumps on the daily cases graph, with a 4th on the way. Regardless of the number of tests being carried out and the actual number of cases. The number of cases went up, then they went down again, then they went up again – three times. I count that as three waves completed. It is about the trends, not the numbers.
the deaths in the first wave were so high because the virus got into the aged care homes and ran rampant. That was down to mismanagement, or criminal negligence really.
You know this gentle soul might have fucked up the pandemic response but at least he had the responsibility to take ownership of this little gem that aged well and very nicely.
>> An internal NHS email seen by Channel 4 News shows how hospitals are being told to prepare for a third Covid-19 wave at the same time as a spike in serious infections among very young children.
The email begins: “We are preparing for a third wave of Covid.”
It goes on: “We are following national guidance on planning, which is to plan for 50 per cent of the first wave, with fewer patients needing (intensive care) and admitted patients being younger and less sick. This is the pattern we’re currently seeing across the trust.
“The peak is expected to be 1st August but that is likely to change as we get more information.
“At the same time as COVID, we are predicting a national wave of RSV infections in children, which will likely lead to more admissions, (non-invasive ventilation) and intubation among very young children.
“The size and duration of the wave is not yet known, but it’s likely to start in July or August.” <<<
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4th wave. I’ve been keeping count.
I think that might depend on which country you look at. And whether you look at number of cases discovered (remembering that unless you are testing everyone you don’t actually know how many cases there are, only how many symptomatic people bothered to get tested and showed up with this particular virus). I’ll go back to my favourite stalking prey, Sweden. You can make out three waves in the “New Daily Cases” graph, but really only two in the “Daily Deaths” graph.
There is a slight mismatch for the UK too. And doesn’t the first wave of daily cases in the UK look small by comparison to the later wave(s). That could conceivably represent less testing in the early stages, because the deaths first wave is substantial.
there are 3 distinct bumps on the daily cases graph, with a 4th on the way. Regardless of the number of tests being carried out and the actual number of cases. The number of cases went up, then they went down again, then they went up again – three times. I count that as three waves completed. It is about the trends, not the numbers.
the deaths in the first wave were so high because the virus got into the aged care homes and ran rampant. That was down to mismanagement, or criminal negligence really.
I don’t see signs of a fourth bump on the Sweden graph at this stage. I do on the UK one.
Are you talking about the Sweden deaths graph? If so, the first deaths bump is not higher than the second one. They are quite similar, both peaking around 120/day. The first bump fell off faster than the second one. The second one was sustained over a longer period.
On the UK graph, the deaths per day peaked around 1100/day in the first peak and the second one was worse with a top number of 1800/day.
can’t prevent a preventable infectious disease* from becoming endemic but reckon they can increase the age of old people, seems legit’
*: that is essentially lethal over 80 years anyway
it is a BigPharma scam, the longer they can keep you alive the more pills they can sell you!!!
Gonna buy me a pill press.
no but although ChrispenEvan pretends to joke, seriously we’re coming around to the Let It Rip Like Singapore Or Even Better Brazil While “Protecting” The Vulnerable By Elevating Them To Heaven idea
Fig 2. Total health expenditure 2008–09 per person, allocated by age.
see all that money flowing around The Economy Must Grow as healthcare expenditure for the over-60-year-olds
that could go straight into the pockets of the already-rich-and-totally-corrupt if we just fucking killed them early
if you let them live until 140 then you’re looking at $30000 being wasted each cycle, fuck that
Imagine serious infection control measures targeted at outbreaks being
manageable
responsive
tolerable
effective
Politicians making it a big deal.
City of Sydney Councillor Angela Vithoulkas said the news would devastate local communities, because the economic implications would last longer than the one-week stay-at-home order.
Businesses doing it easy.
Business NSWCEO Daniel Hunter said the restrictions were “a concerning development” for business, but “a sensible decision”. “If we get on top of this quickly by doing the right thing, it is hoped we can avoid extended lockdowns and the devastating knock-on impacts to business,” he said. Lucy Haskas, who owns Shop & Wine Bar in Bondi, said she had preemptively shifted to takeaway only ahead of the stay-at-home restrictions. “I was expecting it but really disappointed,” she said. “We knew what to do from last time so it was a very easy transition, we decided to close our dining as soon as possible. “It was actually a bit too easy, it was like riding a bike.” “I think everyone knew it was coming, everyone was just quite calm and were happy that we were open.”
Summary:
when experts who know something about health and disease, warn that disease is going to fuck health, then arseholes everywhere call them alarmists and try to fuck them up
when politicians actually make alarmist claims about the economic effects of controlling disease, and business demonstrate resilience and maintenance of The Economy Must Grow, the corrupt politicians get a free pass
You know this gentle soul might have fucked up the pandemic response but at least he had the responsibility to take ownership of this little gem that aged well and very nicely.
i’m going to ignore the manufactured (media generated) political wedging between States and federal, anything that lends to that regard coronavirus, not very helpful
You know this gentle soul might have fucked up the pandemic response but at least he had the responsibility to take ownership of this little gem that aged well and very nicely.
i’m going to ignore the manufactured (media generated) political wedging between States and federal, anything that lends to that regard coronavirus, not very helpful
you mean Twitter faked the fact that he took ownership of his endorsement of “hold off infection control measures until the infection is worse” or what
imagine being well and going into quarantine to get unwell
imagine quarantine being set up to prevent spread of disease rather than spreading it
imagine rejecting quarantine infrastructure proposals from certain states
Oh my, Grompy Gladys said the L word. And it’s a fortnight L word for greater Sydney.
Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Blue Mountains and the Central Coast going into lockdown from 6:00pm
That lockdown will last until midnight on Friday, July 9.
Oh my, Grompy Gladys said the L word. And it’s a fortnight L word for greater Sydney.
Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Blue Mountains and the Central Coast going into lockdown from 6:00pm
That lockdown will last until midnight on Friday, July 9.
LOL
Take That Chairman Dan
It’s not like Our Glad is able to control the idiots that hail from her bailiwick:
ABC News:
‘Three travellers from New South Wales have been arrested in the South Australian outback town of Coober Pedy after earlier trying to fly into the Northern Territory.
SA Police said two women and a man had flown from Griffith to Coober Pedy in a private plane on Thursday, even though they were not allowed to enter South Australia.
They were denied entry to the NT on Friday and returned to the outback opal mining town.
Police say they were tracked down to a karaoke bar early this morning and will appear in court on Monday.’
F***wits.
‘Oh, surely that doesn’t apply to special people like us who have their own little aeroplane?’.
Oh my, Grompy Gladys said the L word. And it’s a fortnight L word for greater Sydney.
Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Blue Mountains and the Central Coast going into lockdown from 6:00pm
That lockdown will last until midnight on Friday, July 9.
LOL
Take That Chairman Dan
It’s not like Our Glad is able to control the idiots that hail from her bailiwick:
ABC News:
‘Three travellers from New South Wales have been arrested in the South Australian outback town of Coober Pedy after earlier trying to fly into the Northern Territory.
SA Police said two women and a man had flown from Griffith to Coober Pedy in a private plane on Thursday, even though they were not allowed to enter South Australia.
They were denied entry to the NT on Friday and returned to the outback opal mining town.
Police say they were tracked down to a karaoke bar early this morning and will appear in court on Monday.’
F***wits.
‘Oh, surely that doesn’t apply to special people like us who have their own little aeroplane?’.
This is why laws are necessary. But I bet these sorts of people will be the first to complain about governments suppressing their liberty.
Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Blue Mountains and the Central Coast going into lockdown from 6:00pm
That lockdown will last until midnight on Friday, July 9.
LOL
Take That Chairman Dan
It’s not like Our Glad is able to control the idiots that hail from her bailiwick:
ABC News:
‘Three travellers from New South Wales have been arrested in the South Australian outback town of Coober Pedy after earlier trying to fly into the Northern Territory.
SA Police said two women and a man had flown from Griffith to Coober Pedy in a private plane on Thursday, even though they were not allowed to enter South Australia.
They were denied entry to the NT on Friday and returned to the outback opal mining town.
Police say they were tracked down to a karaoke bar early this morning and will appear in court on Monday.’
F***wits.
‘Oh, surely that doesn’t apply to special people like us who have their own little aeroplane?’.
This is why laws are necessary. But I bet these sorts of people will be the first to complain about governments suppressing their liberty.
But Grompy Gladys has been telling us for months she trusts people to do the right thing.
Oh my, Grompy Gladys said the L word. And it’s a fortnight L word for greater Sydney.
Greater Sydney, Wollongong, Blue Mountains and the Central Coast going into lockdown from 6:00pm
That lockdown will last until midnight on Friday, July 9.
LOL
Take That Chairman Dan
It’s not like Our Glad is able to control the idiots that hail from her bailiwick:
ABC News:
‘Three travellers from New South Wales have been arrested in the South Australian outback town of Coober Pedy after earlier trying to fly into the Northern Territory.
SA Police said two women and a man had flown from Griffith to Coober Pedy in a private plane on Thursday, even though they were not allowed to enter South Australia.
They were denied entry to the NT on Friday and returned to the outback opal mining town.
Police say they were tracked down to a karaoke bar early this morning and will appear in court on Monday.’
F***wits.
‘Oh, surely that doesn’t apply to special people like us who have their own little aeroplane?’.
well these people voted her in right
but yes delay lockdown long enough to seed basically every other state, then claim victory
love it
remember what we all said when Old North Wuhan did similar
At least the SA cops seemed to have heard of aeroplanes.
When the first round of border closure between Qld and NSW was implemented, there was walls of concrete blocks across the roadways and plenty of coppers in sunglasses waving their hands in the ‘you can’t do that’ gesture.
All the time above there was a steady flow of private planes back and forth.
It’s not like Our Glad is able to control the idiots that hail from her bailiwick:
ABC News:
‘Three travellers from New South Wales have been arrested in the South Australian outback town of Coober Pedy after earlier trying to fly into the Northern Territory.
SA Police said two women and a man had flown from Griffith to Coober Pedy in a private plane on Thursday, even though they were not allowed to enter South Australia.
They were denied entry to the NT on Friday and returned to the outback opal mining town.
Police say they were tracked down to a karaoke bar early this morning and will appear in court on Monday.’
F***wits.
‘Oh, surely that doesn’t apply to special people like us who have their own little aeroplane?’.
This is why laws are necessary. But I bet these sorts of people will be the first to complain about governments suppressing their liberty.
But Grompy Gladys has been telling us for months she trusts people to do the right thing.
More fool her. You can’t leave personal responsibility in the hands of the irresponsible.
Is my memory faulty, or did we Vics have to fight to get the Federal Government’s COVID-19 Disaster Payment to happen? I think NSW should now thank us for having got that in place.
>>The Prime Minister has issued a video message from quarantine in The Lodge to residents in NSW.
“We’ll get through this together, by looking out for each other & following the measures put in place by the NSW government,” he says.
On Twitter he said: “The Federal Government’s COVID-19 Disaster Payment of up to $500pw for the 7 LGAs declared hotspots earlier this week will kick in from 1 July and the rest of Greater Sydney, Central Coast, the Blue Mountains and Wollongong from 4 July.”<<
‘Not being charged’ isn’t the same as ‘not culpable’.
Perhaps his passengers were vaccinated (don’t international air crew have to be to come here now?) and maybe they wore masks. I don’t know what sort of limo it was either. He might well have a hermetically sealed driver’s compartment. (which obviously didn’t work, if we assume he did in fact catch his dose from the aircrew. I think they gave up trying to actually trace them)
anyway if these jokers want to earn some respect for once and maybe show the world a thing or two about what a gold standard really is then what they will do is
run through a good and effective lockdown
complete it at an appropriate time under appropriate conditions
continue to trace out the contacts and transmissions until the local is extinguished
then and only then say “this is how you successfully shut down a B.1.617.2 and we would do it again in an instant”
Tasmanian health authorites have moved quickly to update health warnings in the wake of news that greater Sydney had entered lockdown.
Premier Peter Gutwein today praised the campaign that kept filthy, diseased Melbourne people out of the state, but warned a different message was now needed.
“Fuck off Melbourne dogs worked well,” he said.
“Residents of that Covid-ridden cesspit were under no illusions that their presence in Tasmania was not welcome”.
But Sydney people are different, being interested in nothing except cocaine and house prices, Gutwein told The New Examiner.
“So we’re looking at replacing the existing signs with – “Coked-up and Covid-contaminated? Fuck off, or we’ll burn your house down”.
“That should hit the spot,” Gutwein said.
The Premier also offered a warning to Victorians.
“Just because the signs are changing, the message isn’t,” he said.
“Don’t come here. Stay in your crowded, Covid-infested shithole over Bass Strait.”
Tasmanian health authorites have moved quickly to update health warnings in the wake of news that greater Sydney had entered lockdown.
Premier Peter Gutwein today praised the campaign that kept filthy, diseased Melbourne people out of the state, but warned a different message was now needed.
“Fuck off Melbourne dogs worked well,” he said.
“Residents of that Covid-ridden cesspit were under no illusions that their presence in Tasmania was not welcome”.
But Sydney people are different, being interested in nothing except cocaine and house prices, Gutwein told The New Examiner.
“So we’re looking at replacing the existing signs with – “Coked-up and Covid-contaminated? Fuck off, or we’ll burn your house down”.
“That should hit the spot,” Gutwein said.
The Premier also offered a warning to Victorians.
“Just because the signs are changing, the message isn’t,” he said.
“Don’t come here. Stay in your crowded, Covid-infested shithole over Bass Strait.”
Tasmanian health authorites have moved quickly to update health warnings in the wake of news that greater Sydney had entered lockdown.
Premier Peter Gutwein today praised the campaign that kept filthy, diseased Melbourne people out of the state, but warned a different message was now needed.
“Fuck off Melbourne dogs worked well,” he said.
“Residents of that Covid-ridden cesspit were under no illusions that their presence in Tasmania was not welcome”.
But Sydney people are different, being interested in nothing except cocaine and house prices, Gutwein told The New Examiner.
“So we’re looking at replacing the existing signs with – “Coked-up and Covid-contaminated? Fuck off, or we’ll burn your house down”.
“That should hit the spot,” Gutwein said.
The Premier also offered a warning to Victorians.
“Just because the signs are changing, the message isn’t,” he said.
“Don’t come here. Stay in your crowded, Covid-infested shithole over Bass Strait.”
sounds implausible, surely they are extending a more courteous and welcoming hand to their fellow Liberal gold standard bearers
just catching up on all the recriminations on social media and here’s something
it’s quite disturbing how quickly the arseholes have shifted from
antivaccination “fuck herd immunity people should have a choice and choice means no to vaccination because we aren’t going to catch measles / polio / WTFever thanks to the sheeple who got autism”
to
“yeah as long as we’re all shot then we aren’t going to die of this COVID-19 hoax (it’s not like other effects of the disease matter at all) so fuck all the imbeciles who aren’t covered (because of whatever medical condition means they shouldn’t, and since they’re sick freeloaders anyway they might as well just go and die)”
Tasmanian health authorites have moved quickly to update health warnings in the wake of news that greater Sydney had entered lockdown.
Premier Peter Gutwein today praised the campaign that kept filthy, diseased Melbourne people out of the state, but warned a different message was now needed.
“Fuck off Melbourne dogs worked well,” he said.
“Residents of that Covid-ridden cesspit were under no illusions that their presence in Tasmania was not welcome”.
But Sydney people are different, being interested in nothing except cocaine and house prices, Gutwein told The New Examiner.
“So we’re looking at replacing the existing signs with – “Coked-up and Covid-contaminated? Fuck off, or we’ll burn your house down”.
“That should hit the spot,” Gutwein said.
The Premier also offered a warning to Victorians.
“Just because the signs are changing, the message isn’t,” he said.
“Don’t come here. Stay in your crowded, Covid-infested shithole over Bass Strait.”
Some of you might find this interesting. It seems that it is a bit like the Flutracker thing, recording symptoms rather than actual positive tests. It’s unclear. They’ve got 208,000 participants, and the country has had over a million cases, so perhaps it is only people who have tested positive who participate.
Some of you might find this interesting. It seems that it is a bit like the Flutracker thing, recording symptoms rather than actual positive tests. It’s unclear. They’ve got 208,000 participants, and the country has had over a million cases, so perhaps it is only people who have tested positive who participate.
This suggests it was mostly symptom reporting but then refined by people reporting a positive test.
>>Methods: We enrolled 143 531 study participants (≥18 years) throughout Sweden, who contributed 10·6 million daily symptom reports between April 29, 2020 and February 10, 2021. Data from 19 161 self-reported PCR tests were used to create a symptom-based algorithm to estimate daily prevalence of symptomatic COVID-19. The prediction model was validated using external datasets. We further utilized the model estimates to forecast subsequent new hospital admissions.<<
Succesvolle coronastrategie keert zich nu juist tegen Nieuw-Zeeland en Australië
nah actually if you read further than the headline, the rest of the article just says that without the supposed naturally acquired immunity, a slow vaccination roll out means the country is still vulnerable
on the other hand, online / remote learning is clearly much more harmful to the wellbeing of students than for 250k of them to be off classes on a given day
on the other hand, online / remote learning is clearly much more harmful to the wellbeing of students than for 250k of them to be off classes on a given day
on the other hand, online / remote learning is clearly much more harmful to the wellbeing of students than for 250k of them to be off classes on a given day
I have heard that there are plenty of students who did not return to school after lock-down last year.
maybe technologically enabled education systems in advanced economies of the world could find new (or rediscover old) ways to deliver the educational service to and engage such students
on the other hand, online / remote learning is clearly much more harmful to the wellbeing of students than for 250k of them to be off classes on a given day
I have heard that there are plenty of students who did not return to school after lock-down last year.
maybe technologically enabled education systems in advanced economies of the world could find new (or rediscover old) ways to deliver the educational service to and engage such students
Maybe. I think it’s the technology that likely kept them away though.
take a while to turn this lot around, coronavirus seems to do as it pleases, no conscience at all, alien really, really alien, doesn’t pretend to anything
take a while to turn this lot around, coronavirus seems to do as it pleases, no conscience at all, alien really, really alien, doesn’t pretend to anything
It is what it is, there is nothing physics can put in it’s path.
take a while to turn this lot around, coronavirus seems to do as it pleases, no conscience at all, alien really, really alien, doesn’t pretend to anything
It is what it is, there is nothing physics can put in it’s path.
I think there is, has been, space, plenty physics about that, distance between things
take a while to turn this lot around, coronavirus seems to do as it pleases, no conscience at all, alien really, really alien, doesn’t pretend to anything
It is what it is, there is nothing physics can put in it’s path.
I think there is, has been, space, plenty physics about that, distance between things
OK, I’m 68.
However I noticed nothing other than myown congestion becoming louder within my skull.
Not even a skinprick worry.
Between those 12 weeks I did think did I snort some radium? My nose has gone wild.
what the fucks wrong with my head? but I doubt it had anything to do with Covid or the vaccine.
It could however be verging on autistic?
So far it feels like a normal flu shot. Raised bump on arm that is a bit sore to the touch.
Took me about 18 to 20 hours to feel the lurgy effects. SWMBO felt nothing.
I felt nothing too. I wonder if the loss of a part of a finger has anything to do with it?
It’s very variable, isn’t it. I had to sort out the timeline for me the other day when I reported the cold feet thing that I had to the vaccination side effects people. It was 8 hours to cold feet and they lasted about 8 hours. I didn’t report the minor headache, although I don’t often have headaches so it was probably related. That took about 12 hours to happen. I ignored it for another 7 hours or so (I went back to sleep) and then took a single Panadol, which cleared it in 20-30 minutes. In the beginning I thought there would be no arm lump, but it showed a couple of days later.
Hotel quarantine guests moved from floor where miner contracted COVID-19
Dr Young is touching on that positive case out of the NT that we heard about yesterday.
A worker at the Newmont-owned Granites gold mine in Central Australia has tested positive to COVID-19.
It is understood the worker contracted the disease in hotel quarantine in Brisbane, and Dr Young says he was on the fifth floor of the hotel where “we had that other transmission event”.
“Because he’d been on that floor, he was asked to get tested, which he did, and that came back positive. I’ve asked, and it’s happening as we speak, that every single person on that floor 5 of that hotel has moved to different floors.
“We did extend quarantine for people who were still on that and we went and contact traced everyone who’d left that floor for an extended period. I don’t think this was the same transmission event that caused the other infection there.
“I think it was a different one on that floor but we went very widely in our contact tracing for people who’d been on that floor.”
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OK, I am not understanding the rationale here. Moving people off that floor seems to me to be a good way to spread it about. Shouldn’t you just keep everyone on that floor where they are for 14 days now to clear out their systems?
Hotel quarantine guests moved from floor where miner contracted COVID-19
Dr Young is touching on that positive case out of the NT that we heard about yesterday.
A worker at the Newmont-owned Granites gold mine in Central Australia has tested positive to COVID-19.
It is understood the worker contracted the disease in hotel quarantine in Brisbane, and Dr Young says he was on the fifth floor of the hotel where “we had that other transmission event”.
“Because he’d been on that floor, he was asked to get tested, which he did, and that came back positive. I’ve asked, and it’s happening as we speak, that every single person on that floor 5 of that hotel has moved to different floors.
“We did extend quarantine for people who were still on that and we went and contact traced everyone who’d left that floor for an extended period. I don’t think this was the same transmission event that caused the other infection there.
“I think it was a different one on that floor but we went very widely in our contact tracing for people who’d been on that floor.”
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OK, I am not understanding the rationale here. Moving people off that floor seems to me to be a good way to spread it about. Shouldn’t you just keep everyone on that floor where they are for 14 days now to clear out their systems?
what rationale, the same rationale that has given us 0 new purpose built quarantine facilities since the start of the pandemic, do we mean that rationale
So I had a rough night. I kept on waking up.And then I got to enough awake to realise it was my feet that were really cold. And then I finally thought of Buffy.
So I had a rough night. I kept on waking up.And then I got to enough awake to realise it was my feet that were really cold. And then I finally thought of Buffy.
Oh. That’s good to know. Thinking of Buffy makes your feet warm.
So I had a rough night. I kept on waking up.And then I got to enough awake to realise it was my feet that were really cold. And then I finally thought of Buffy.
Oh. That’s good to know. Thinking of Buffy makes your feet warm.
I hope I didn’t plant that idea. Before I reported it as a side effect of the vaccine I did do some Googling. I found a couple of anecdotal reports. Nothing in any of the “official” stuff. I also found a couple of people saying hands and feet were cold. Mine was definitely only feet.
So I had a rough night. I kept on waking up.And then I got to enough awake to realise it was my feet that were really cold. And then I finally thought of Buffy.
Oh. That’s good to know. Thinking of Buffy makes your feet warm.
I wouldn’t have thought so…thick woolly socks and an extra blanket around my feet helped when I had it. It only lasted overnight though. Next morning all fine and I haven’t needed to wear socks to bed since.
So I had a rough night. I kept on waking up.And then I got to enough awake to realise it was my feet that were really cold. And then I finally thought of Buffy.
Oh. That’s good to know. Thinking of Buffy makes your feet warm.
I hope I didn’t plant that idea. Before I reported it as a side effect of the vaccine I did do some Googling. I found a couple of anecdotal reports. Nothing in any of the “official” stuff. I also found a couple of people saying hands and feet were cold. Mine was definitely only feet.
I normally sleep wth one thick blanket and a small blanket over my torso and shoulders. normally I have overheating feet going on.
Oh. That’s good to know. Thinking of Buffy makes your feet warm.
I hope I didn’t plant that idea. Before I reported it as a side effect of the vaccine I did do some Googling. I found a couple of anecdotal reports. Nothing in any of the “official” stuff. I also found a couple of people saying hands and feet were cold. Mine was definitely only feet.
I normally sleep with one thick blanket and a small blanket over my torso and shoulders. normally I have overheating feet going on.
That sounds like me. I need my hips and shoulders warm. But feet are not generally a problem, like you.
gotta hand it to the Gutful new south Wuhan crew, turned a little bioweapon into great success, keep things open just long enough to spread it around, breach all the Labor states, and make your rich arse hole donors happy, and blame it all on the health advice when even your bought advisors are too scared to keep up the charade
—
WA Health Minister Roger Cook says there’s one active community case in the state
He says it’s a fast moving situation.
The woman is a physiotherapist. She had lunch at Lyfe Cafe at Bondi in Sydney. She returned to Perth on June 20.
gotta hand it to the Gutful new south Wuhan crew, turned a little bioweapon into great success, keep things open just long enough to spread it around, breach all the Labor states, and make your rich arse hole donors happy, and blame it all on the health advice when even your bought advisors are too scared to keep up the charade
—
WA Health Minister Roger Cook says there’s one active community case in the state
He says it’s a fast moving situation.
The woman is a physiotherapist. She had lunch at Lyfe Cafe at Bondi in Sydney. She returned to Perth on June 20.
She has since tested positive to COVID-19.
Oh. Loverly.
Hope we don’t hav to have a lockdown here too.
My sister and Bil and kids have just arrived in Perth for a holiday and meet up with the family, Including the nephew none of us have seen yet. Be a damn shame if we can’t socialise for the tw or three weeks they are here :(
gotta hand it to the Gutful new south Wuhan crew, turned a little bioweapon into great success, keep things open just long enough to spread it around, breach all the Labor states, and make your rich arse hole donors happy, and blame it all on the health advice when even your bought advisors are too scared to keep up the charade
—
WA Health Minister Roger Cook says there’s one active community case in the state
He says it’s a fast moving situation.
The woman is a physiotherapist. She had lunch at Lyfe Cafe at Bondi in Sydney. She returned to Perth on June 20.
She has since tested positive to COVID-19.
Oh. Loverly.
Hope we don’t hav to have a lockdown here too.
My sister and Bil and kids have just arrived in Perth for a holiday and meet up with the family, Including the nephew none of us have seen yet. Be a damn shame if we can’t socialise for the tw or three weeks they are here :(
3 days, Perth and Peel region. Masks. Indoor gatherings limited to 30. Football stadium this afternoon will be closed to spectators.
fuck ;(
please direct all hatred, rage, frustration, et cetera to those irresponsible for this pleasant situation, the geniuses running NSWuhan and the fédération
3 days, Perth and Peel region. Masks. Indoor gatherings limited to 30. Football stadium this afternoon will be closed to spectators.
fuck ;(
please direct all hatred, rage, frustration, et cetera to those irresponsible for this pleasant situation, the geniuses running NSWuhan and the fédération
I personally will blame Barnaby. This shit only happened after he became the nats leader once again. Fucking recycled dunderhead.
3 days, Perth and Peel region. Masks. Indoor gatherings limited to 30. Football stadium this afternoon will be closed to spectators.
fuck ;(
please direct all hatred, rage, frustration, et cetera to those irresponsible for this pleasant situation, the geniuses running NSWuhan and the fédération
I personally will blame Barnaby. This shit only happened after he became the nats leader once again. Fucking recycled dunderhead.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
please direct all hatred, rage, frustration, et cetera to those irresponsible for this pleasant situation, the geniuses running NSWuhan and the fédération
I personally will blame Barnaby. This shit only happened after he became the nats leader once again. Fucking recycled dunderhead.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
And all the beasts of the forest are mine and the cattle on a thousand hills………….
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
That is, if you believe Jesus even existed. I lean towards the mythicist camp, that Jesus was an invention of the late first century, after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple by the Romans.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
That is, if you believe Jesus even existed. I lean towards the mythicist camp, that Jesus was an invention of the late first century, after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple by the Romans.
I’m talking about the Biblical Jesus, who is basically a fictional character, whether or not there was a historical Jesus supposedly represented thereby.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
That is, if you believe Jesus even existed. I lean towards the mythicist camp, that Jesus was an invention of the late first century, after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple by the Romans.
I’m talking about the Biblical Jesus, who is basically a fictional character, whether or not there was a historical Jesus supposedly represented thereby.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
Trouble is, according to the NT, Jesus thought the important thing was that people worship him. He claimed to be the son of God and insisted people forsake their families for him, etc.
See this whackjob here who drains our healthcare resources, all for what ¿ If it’s too pissweak to handle a little bit of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis or myopericarditis then it should just go and die, why are we trying to protect these useless pieces of, The Economy Must Grow and your ABC should shut up about all these “poor us” stories. Let it RIP ¡
Just read something on Quora (I know, I know) that raised a smile:
“Isn’t it possible that God doesn’t care whether you believe in him or not, and that what he cares about is how you treat your fellow human beings?
Well, it’s certainly possible if you read the words attributed to a Jewish teacher who lived 2,000 years ago, a lesson regarding the difference between the sheep and the goats. You’ll find it at Matthew 25:31–46.”
“Of course, you’ll find a whole bunch of people who will argue that the Nazarene didn’t really know what he was talking about, or that he left out important points, and so on.
In any event, my view is that for me, what matters is how I treat my fellows and my stewardship of the planet. If there is a deity, and it agrees with me, cool! But if there’s a deity that says “Oh no, the important thing is that you worship me,” then that’s the deity’s ego issues, and it should probably consult a therapist.”
actually made us realise the more commonly cited quote (legitimate or not) was quite prescient
they must be implying that the current fight is needles and masks but afterwards India and China will be the world and they really do fight with sticks and stones
actually made us realise the more commonly cited quote (legitimate or not) was quite prescient
they must be implying that the current fight is needles and masks but afterwards India and China will be the world and they really do fight with sticks and stones
actually made us realise the more commonly cited quote (legitimate or not) was quite prescient
they must be implying that the current fight is needles and masks but afterwards India and China will be the world and they really do fight with sticks and stones
actually made us realise the more commonly cited quote (legitimate or not) was quite prescient
they must be implying that the current fight is needles and masks but afterwards India and China will be the world and they really do fight with sticks and stones
gotta hand it to the Gutful new south Wuhan crew, turned a little bioweapon into great success, keep things open just long enough to spread it around, breach all the Labor states, and make your rich arse hole donors happy, and blame it all on the health advice when even your bought advisors are too scared to keep up the charade
—
WA Health Minister Roger Cook says there’s one active community case in the state
He says it’s a fast moving situation.
The woman is a physiotherapist. She had lunch at Lyfe Cafe at Bondi in Sydney. She returned to Perth on June 20.
She has since tested positive to COVID-19.
Oh. Loverly.
Hope we don’t hav to have a lockdown here too.
My sister and Bil and kids have just arrived in Perth for a holiday and meet up with the family, Including the nephew none of us have seen yet. Be a damn shame if we can’t socialise for the tw or three weeks they are here :(
Ready or not here they come.
You will just all have to go out for your exercise at accidentally the same time and to the same park. Or something.
My sister and Bil and kids have just arrived in Perth for a holiday and meet up with the family, Including the nephew none of us have seen yet. Be a damn shame if we can’t socialise for the tw or three weeks they are here :(
Ready or not here they come.
You will just all have to go out for your exercise at accidentally the same time and to the same park. Or something.
Never mind…how many of you are there? You can probably still meet up:
“Masks will be mandatory indoors and on public transport and gatherings in private homes will be restricted to 30 people.”
You will just all have to go out for your exercise at accidentally the same time and to the same park. Or something.
Never mind…how many of you are there? You can probably still meet up:
“Masks will be mandatory indoors and on public transport and gatherings in private homes will be restricted to 30 people.”
From the ABC news site.
I can say with confidence that I’ve never had 30 people in my home at the one time.
We might have had that many family when I was a child. At Christmas with cousins there. But we’d have been pushing it for that many. Usually it would have been 6 of us, 5 (aunt/uncle, 3 cousins), Nanna and Grandpa. So not 30.
Mr buffy and I used to do a spit or barbecue around Christmas for my staff and families, and whatever police/speed camera operators chose to call in to be fed. I remember having to cater for 30-40 on a couple of occasions. But not inside the house. We lived on 3 acres and the “event” was held outside.
Another thing to watch, suppression of vaccine breakthrough case information. We haven’t gone looking to corroborate the claim of half of them going onto long-COVID.
