Here, have a new one.
Here, have a new one.
And there was some updating of some Cochrane Special Collection stuff a few days ago. Here is their latest on:
Coronavirus (COVID-19): infection control and prevention measures
18 January 2022
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/collections/doi/SC000040/full
Lots of reading there for those who want to know the latest information from the journals.
Exclusive
Josh Frydenberg
Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns
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transition will love the implicit in this ABC gem
While Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she did not expect the reopening of Queensland’s international borders to increase the amount of COVID-19 virus circulating in the state — given travellers are currently more likely to contract the infection in Australia than overseas — experts expect it will open the door to more flu cases.
SCIENCE said:
ExclusiveJosh Frydenberg
Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns
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‘You can’t take it with you.’
Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
ExclusiveJosh Frydenberg
Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns
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‘You can’t take it with you.’
Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?
There’s no towbar on the hearse.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
ExclusiveJosh Frydenberg
Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns
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‘You can’t take it with you.’
Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?
There’s no towbar on the hearse.
No pockets in a shroud.
SCIENCE said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/who-wants-to-get-sick-why-the-west-will-mostly-back-mark-mcgowan-despite-backflip-20220121-p59q4e.html
Was the date really “set in stone” before the “back-flip”?
To insist on opening up when case numbers in the Eastern states are about 1000 x higher seems like a crazy thing to do to me.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
‘You can’t take it with you.’
Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?
There’s no towbar on the hearse.
No pockets in a shroud.
maybe expenditure on RATs is included in economic figures just saying
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Was the date really “set in stone” before the “back-flip”?
To insist on opening up when case numbers in the Eastern states are about 1000 x higher seems like a crazy thing to do to me.
from memory he advised it was non negotiable barring any unforeseens
and then as we know many scientists slash engineers foresaw that COVID-19 would still be a massive problem, potentially evolve, et cetera
but nevertheless Marketing claimed all these things were not foreseen
so as we all know there was always a good chance WA could avoid importing massive disaster
“Getting schools back on track on day one is incredibly important for kids and for parents because we know that if schools don’t go back, 5 per cent of the workforce is also taken out,” he said.
However, he warned the community to be prepared for further increases in case numbers as a result of greater mobility.
“This is a return to normal
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Laug
yet again, even in a sprinkling of some fair perspective
only 2 mentions of mask despite N95+ being the best bet for everything else to go back to normal
SCIENCE said:
“Getting schools back on track on day one is incredibly important for kids and for parents because we know that if schools don’t go back, 5 per cent of the workforce is also taken out,” he said.However, he warned the community to be prepared for further increases in case numbers as a result of greater mobility.
“This is a return to normal
—
Laug
it’s heartening to think children have been and are to be recruited to the endemic covid program, become instrumental to normalization of endemic covid, do their bit to help spread covid
a remarkable progression of civilization
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
I’ve been wondering about the falling number of PCR tests in Victoria.
btm said:
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?
guess MassCOVID isn’t inevitable after all, soon there’ll be virtually no cases
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720
fsm said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720
The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.
btm said:
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?
Collecting.
captain_spalding said:
fsm said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720
The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.
Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿
But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:fsm said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720
The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.
Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿
But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.
Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.
Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿
But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.
Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.
Qld figures
Total Qld deaths 95
JudgeMental said:
Damn it this is all Jeannette Young’s fault ¡
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿
But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.
Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.
Qld figures
Total Qld deaths 95
Sorry forgot to mention how much the economy actually benefited from all the death, we were very pleased with that too.
Keep up the N95+ masking and greedy political arseholes can go and fuck right off.
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
I gather from gossip (always reliable…) that people aren’t bothering much with testing around here. And there certainly aren’t RATs available here. I am also informed by Gossip that at the testing here they RAT and then PCR if it comes up positive.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.
I gather from gossip (always reliable…) that people aren’t bothering much with testing around here. And there certainly aren’t RATs available here. I am also informed by Gossip that at the testing here they RAT and then PCR if it comes up positive.
Looks like some people are still turning up. From our local hospital site:
https://wdhs.net/v2/covid-19/covid-19-exposure-sites/
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.
Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿
But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.
Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.
SCIENCE is being sarcastic, he sarcasticates a lot
had a look in that page, I did, the broadcaster you know provides information, a view on events, even has ideas about why you should know, know whatever, provides the correct language to deliver the views, language you might convey the same or very similar views to others with, the shared reality, little effort required, save you arranging words into new formulations, your own word formulations that might mean something else, done effectively you won’t have another view, a different view, you may even forget it’s a possibility
it’s a device to that end, the phrase omicron wave, takes your mind away from the intentional aspects of the program of endemic covid, a person is less able to distinguish between the two, the program and the virus
the decline in found numbers of covid could be largely a consequence of people self-limiting social contacts, swapping air, the prevalence of covid is oppressive
Meanwhile in Australia PART 47 🥴
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJ29baKuvw
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Jimmy Rees has covid.
Wishin’ Y’all Good Luck Yo
Ny Omikron-variant spreder sig – du kan muligvis blive smittet to gange, siger SSI-forsker
Virusforsker Anders Fomsgaard fortæller, at hele verden lige nu ser mod Danmark, hvor undervarianten af Omikron, BA.2, spreder sig. De høje smittetal har ligeledes ført til, at flere fagfolk er begyndt at tale om flokimmunitet. Men en undervariant af Omikron kaldet BA.2 kan nu potentielt true gruppeimmuniteten, forklarer Anders Fomsgaard, der er overlæge og virusforsker ved SSI. – Det er muligt, at man kan blive smittet med BA.1 Omikron først, og så kort efter med BA.2, fortæller han i ’Go morgen Danmark’. I Norge, hvor BA.2 også spreder sig, har man nemlig set enkelte tilfælde, hvor dette er sket.
- Faktisk er de to så forskellige fra hinanden, som Alpha-varianten var fra Wuhan, så der er nogle ret markante forskelle, når man ser på immunitet og smitte, forklarer Anders Fomsgaard. Her er det ikke i aldersfordelingen af de smittede, eller hvor syge de smittede bliver, hvor de to adskiller sig. Det er i det såkaldte spikeprotein, som vaccinerne også er bygget af, den tydelige forskel ses, lyder det.
translation (all right, not quite, slightly differently strained)
https://www.mamamia.com.au/can-you-get-covid-twice/
‘I got COVID twice in 21 days. Here’s what I need you to know.‘
Even as I type this, I can scarcely believe it’s true, but – I’ve caught COVID twice, in 21 days. To say that I feel hard done by is an understatement. I tested positive the first time, smack bang before the holidays, in the most horribly perfect little window that would ensure I spent both Christmas and New Year’s isolating. When I was eventually discharged by NSW Health after 13 days at home, I was told that I’d had the Delta strain, and assured that my sense of taste and smell would return soon. Losing both had its ups and downs.
Delta, whilst rough, had been substantially less shit than I had expected. I had cracking fevers, a bastard headache, chills, fatigue and the overarching feeling that this is what it must be like to get hit by a truck. I had no appetite, slept entire days away – but at no point did I feel like I may end up in hospital fighting for my life. Go, vaccines! I’d love to say I then had a week of relative normalcy before being struck once more, but honestly? Though ‘recovered’ for the most part, the lingering tiredness and heavy brain fog were no f***ing joke.
I finally managed one skimpy little night out, where I pranced all over town drinking margies, shortsightedly declaring that my recent production of antibodies rendered me damn near invincible. At one point I distinctly recall even going as far as to declare: “LOL! You can’t catch it twice!” And that there, my loves, is the very definition of ‘famous last words’, because as it would happen – little more than three days later – Omicron would come along, ready to f**k up my hot girl summer.
It began the same way the flu and colds generally do. Sore neck, sore throat, sore eyes, sore head. I made myself a doctor’s appointment for the following day, thinking it wouldn’t hurt to have a little post-coves catch up, anyway. But the next morning, for lack of a better word: I felt f***ed. I could barely lift my head off the pillow, every muscle in my body ached, I felt cripplingly nauseous and could potentially have drowned in my own sweat. Unsure if I could physically even make it to the doctors (and doubtful they’d let me in, anyway) I swapped my appointment for a phone consultation.
Even now, readying myself to emerge from isolation, I’m far from 100 per cent. I feel about 80 years old. My body is broken. Making a cup of tea tires me to the point I need a little ‘sit down’. Climbing the single step into the raised part of my garden makes my legs ache like I’ve run a marathon, and for the first time in my entire life I’m on a ‘health kick’ – I feel so run down that I can’t help but be acutely aware of the need to rebuild.
I feel silly for not knowing double-COVID was even a thing. In the early stages of my second batch of symptoms I spent ages googling questions like “can you catch COVID twice?” and there was little, to nothing, to convince me that (at least in such a small time frame) you could.
we apologise for being unconvincing, and refrain from repeating “we fkn told you so” so we’ll only say it once here
wait
Wait.
WAIT¿¡
this chart purportedly represents the number of admitted days in ICU depending on diagnosis over the last 10 years, but neglects to mention that most of the COVID-19 diagnoses are at least one of
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pity the story is probably just lies in a communist chatroom
⚠ and this post may contain sarcasm with more than a hint of despair
SCIENCE said:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/01/21/china-flights-banned-covid/
U.S. blocks dozens of flights by Chinese airlines in response to virus policy
The move comes as China has been suspending flights by American carriers after alleging in-bound passengers had later tested positive for the coronavirus
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out LoudFinally, Something Good Comes Of Pandemic
pity the story is probably just lies in a communist chatroom
⚠ and this post may contain sarcasm with more than a hint of despair
Saw a notice on the board at supermart. Call This phone # for information about vaccines for children, know the facts. Looked to me like I should call them and tell them to pull their head in.
The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.
Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.
If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.
But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.
theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672
Spiny Norman said:
The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.
If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.
But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.
theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672
…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder
a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped
which is all a bit monty python really
transition said:
Spiny Norman said:
The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.
Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.
If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.
But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.
theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672
…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder
a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped
which is all a bit monty python really
for values of misleading approaching outright lie surely, we mean what was the go about quarantine or limiting travel then, how would it mass spread from country to country without hosts with passports, are we saying it’s all the fault of illegal immigrants, why not throw some children overboard as well while we’re at it, oh wait
SCIENCE said:
sorry for being late to the party but since CHINA is basically unstoppable in the Asia-Pacific region supposedly at the moment, why is there even talk of pushing back
German navy chief resigns after drawing criticism for proposing that COVID-19 strategy could apply equally to Russian aggression
SCIENCE said:
transition said:Spiny Norman said:
The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.
Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.
If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.
But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.
theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672
…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder
a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped
which is all a bit monty python really
for values of misleading approaching outright lie surely, we mean what was the go about quarantine or limiting travel then, how would it mass spread from country to country without hosts with passports, are we saying it’s all the fault of illegal immigrants, why not throw some children overboard as well while we’re at it, oh wait
oh I got stuck on the world, wondered what that was, I wouldn’t go so far as to say some publications are globalist propaganda, are into border smashing, that borders and representative governments that administer their territories are inconvenient in any way, I wouldn’t say that, nor would I say the old idea of an ideological state apparatus, that there are ideological apparatus, I wouldn’t ask what that becomes scaled up to a global level, what a state might be in that context, how it might be viewed
the great appeal to the internationally mobile with fluid loyalties
Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.
In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.
The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.
The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.
In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”
It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.
Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.
LOL.
JudgeMental said:
Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.
The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.
The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.
In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”
It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.
Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.
LOL.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/covid-news-live-hundreds-of-cases-of-new-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-england-as-hotspots-revealed/ar-AASZDu5
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.
The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.
The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.
In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”
It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.
Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.
LOL.
¿ so who’s correct ?
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospital
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210
roughbarked said:
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospitalhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210
As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.
I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospitalhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210
As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.
I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.
This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospitalhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210
As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.
I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.
This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.
How far do you have to walk?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.
I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.
This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.
How far do you have to walk?
About 3-4km round trip.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.
How far do you have to walk?
About 3-4km round trip.
Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:How far do you have to walk?
About 3-4km round trip.
Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:About 3-4km round trip.
Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?
Or a bicycle?
runs
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:About 3-4km round trip.
Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?
Maybe one day. But I do need to keep some exercise going.
It’s just that a long walk to the clinic in summer heat, and then having to wear a mask and wait for vaccination while dripping with sweat (and then walk back) is not likely to be very pleasant.
sibeen said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?Or a bicycle?
runs
Tamb said:
sibeen said:
Tamb said:Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?
Or a bicycle?
runs
Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.
They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:Or a bicycle?
runs
Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.
They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.
E-scooters and Tasmanian Road Rules
New rules for personal mobility devices (PMDs) commenced on 1 December 2021 to allow PMDs on footpaths, shared paths, bicycle paths and some roads in Tasmania.
https://www.hobartcity.com.au/City-services/Transport-and-traffic-management/E-scooters
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
sibeen said:Or a bicycle?
runs
Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.
They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.
roughbarked said:
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes,
quick pull down the borders
This is what the NSW has sent to parents of school students this afternoon:
Testing
Before the start of term 1
• All staff and students are asked to take a rapid antigen test and get a negative result before attending school at the start of term 1. Your school will provide advice on when tests should be taken.
• Rapid antigen tests will be provided to all staff and students through their schools. Schools will inform parents on how these kits can be collected.
At the start of term 1
• For the first 4 weeks, students and staff should take a rapid antigen test twice a week on the morning before attending school. Test kits will continue to be supplied by schools.
Students who are household close contacts must isolate at home for 7 days.
At least we now know we know where all those RATs that were withdrawn from sale have gone to.
Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.
On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.
Speedy said:
Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.
Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes,
quick pull down the borders
New Zealand to impose tougher restrictions after Omicron community spread, Jacinda Ardern cancels wedding
in breaking news, B.1.1.529 starts off milder because it suppresses immune response
leading to impaired defences
imagine being unable to defend against virus as well, and virus getting big, and killing you more later
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed New Zealand will move to the red traffic light setting at midnight tonight.
Nine Covid cases in Motueka are confirmed to have the Omicron variant, prompting the decision, Ardern said.
They attended a wedding in Auckland along with a funeral, an amusement park and the Sky Tower on the weekend of January 15 and 16. These events had well over 100 people.
Omicron is now circulating in Auckland and possibly the Nelson area, if not further, Ardern said.
The Government will be taking a three-stage approach to the point where New Zealand sees 1000 cases a day, Ardern said.
Stage one will be the familiar stamp it out approach, with contact tracing and testing, including rapid antigen tests. Stage two will be a transition stage. The third stage will see changes to contact tracing, and further details on the three stages will be released at a later date, Ardern said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-nz-moves-to-red-light-tonight-pm-jacinda-ardern-confirms-nine-cases-with-variant/FPYXEZCL3IS2R3I5RPGAI4IFOA/
They’re fucked.
sibeen said:
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed New Zealand will move to the red traffic light setting at midnight tonight.Nine Covid cases in Motueka are confirmed to have the Omicron variant, prompting the decision, Ardern said.
They attended a wedding in Auckland along with a funeral, an amusement park and the Sky Tower on the weekend of January 15 and 16. These events had well over 100 people.
Omicron is now circulating in Auckland and possibly the Nelson area, if not further, Ardern said.
The Government will be taking a three-stage approach to the point where New Zealand sees 1000 cases a day, Ardern said.
Stage one will be the familiar stamp it out approach, with contact tracing and testing, including rapid antigen tests. Stage two will be a transition stage. The third stage will see changes to contact tracing, and further details on the three stages will be released at a later date, Ardern said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-nz-moves-to-red-light-tonight-pm-jacinda-ardern-confirms-nine-cases-with-variant/FPYXEZCL3IS2R3I5RPGAI4IFOA/
They’re fucked.
we’re next.
Bubblecar said:
Speedy said:
Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.
Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.
+1
Bubblecar said:
Speedy said:
Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.
Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.
+1
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.
Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?
Maybe one day. But I do need to keep some exercise going.
It’s just that a long walk to the clinic in summer heat, and then having to wear a mask and wait for vaccination while dripping with sweat (and then walk back) is not likely to be very pleasant.
Ditch the tuxedo and wear some shorts.
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
They have particular things they count. It’s the big stuff (cardiovascular, diabetes etc)..but I’ve closed the links and I’m going to watch When Big Things Go Wrong and some more WWK.
:)
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
An older article, but this list is alarming.
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm?fbclid=IwAR0nQZooE81i5BDXO2h8rgGHhzjnDz7zID1EulJRKXUHqAj-Pu4XrJkwfeI
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
pre-existing vulnerability to intentionalized endemic covid
transition said:
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
pre-existing vulnerability to intentionalized endemic covid
anything that needs to be culled
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
Walking, talking, breathing, stuff like that.
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
If that was a serious question:
buffy said:
Woodie said:
buffy said:
There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses
(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
If that was a serious question:
accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions
Laugh The Fuck Out Loud
anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others
here are some others who should be helpful for youse
*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true
SCIENCE said:
The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice
*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true
What country?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice
*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true
What country?
Canada they reckon
Laugh Out Loud
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice
*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true
What country?
Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:sibeen said:
What country?
Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
makes you consult your crystal ball
places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?
will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
sibeen said:
What country?
Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
and this is what impresses us about many of your contemporaries here, the complete failure to source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant
transition said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:
Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
makes you consult your crystal ball
places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?
will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?
so we had a thought just now
every time we see stuff like previously posted, we say, yeah here we are in Australia, could be worse, could be like elsewhere
but now we’re thinking, best not to say such things
seems despite the benefit of being half phase behind the other places, all we get here is just trying to be like elsewhere
should be worse, should be like elsewhere
transition said:
use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid
meanwhile
ahahahahaha look at CHINA how dare they screen for infection and keep visiting athletes safe what idiots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/beijing-district-orders-mass-virus-testing-ahead-of-olympics/100776764
Sarah has worked as a teacher for decades and loves her job but this year something has shifted — she is anxious about returning to the classroom in 2022. “Being a primary school teacher is all about being a close contact, down on the ground with the little ones in a circle on the floor, being right there. It’s an essential part of the teaching process,” she says. “It is about showing your face, making a child know ‘I’m looking at you, I’m talking to you, I am making you feel as if I am really engaging with your learning’.” It’s not a scenario that responds well to masks and social distancing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-10/school-omicron-vaccine-5-11-ventilation-children-safe-teacher/100742102
oh wait
Japan is the highest-performing OECD country, with average PISA scores of 529,
https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/education/
no wonder they’re good, their top rated performance must be because Japan only has secondary schools, no primary schools in ASIA, that’s why they’re able to wear masks as well
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-28/japanese-students-wear-face-masks/12009794?nw=0
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/08/28/national/schools-japan-coronavirus/
it’s child abuse is what it is, fucking daring to protect their offspring from infectious diseases, fucking daring to educate them well
SCIENCE said:
transition said:sibeen said:
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
makes you consult your crystal ball
places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?
will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?
so we had a thought just now
every time we see stuff like previously posted, we say, yeah here we are in Australia, could be worse, could be like elsewhere
but now we’re thinking, best not to say such things
seems despite the benefit of being half phase behind the other places, all we get here is just trying to be like elsewhere
should be worse, should be like elsewhere
between the more liberal countries there’s fairly free flow of achievers, success, ambition, intelligence, education, money, investment, travel, perhaps generalize it opportunity, people can actualize their ambition, explore the opportunities the world has to offer
quite a force toward cultural similarity (if you will) between UK, US and Australia for example, great part of it is because they are multicultural, or more multi-ethnic tolerant probably nearer the reality, not sure the melting pot is really multi cultural, mostly everything is about money and ambition related, but whatever, mostly works except where and of that it doesn’t
covid was probably beatable, but if you add all the liberties up, involving swapping air, people traveling in from any other country need background covid to land into, save quarantine, there’s a lot of bidirectional traffic
being highly contagious invisible replicator, those with more mobile loyalties went with it’s better that it’s everywhere rather than trying to get people everywhere to eliminate it, and there’s no question there’s been a tsunami of propaganda to that end
endemic covid is analogous in some ways to pollution from (arguably unnecessary) travel on and around the planet, and it is in-no-small-part that travel that ensures endemic covid
covid can be seen as air pollution
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:Woodie said:
What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?
If that was a serious question:
accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions
Laugh The Fuck Out Loud
Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
buffy said:If that was a serious question:
accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions
Laugh The Fuck Out Loud
Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.
Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:sibeen said:
What country?
Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.
buffy said:
sibeen said:
SCIENCE said:Canada they reckon
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.
This
It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.
dv said:
It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.
they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions
Laugh The Fuck Out Loud
Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.
Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
sibeen said:
And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.
They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.
This
Obviously none of you source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant¡
transition said:
dv said:
It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.
they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program
To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿
SCIENCE said:
transition said:dv said:
It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.
they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program
To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿
Well yeah.
I think they are a bit pessimistic. There are still only about 90 active cases in WA.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:buffy said:
They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.
This
Obviously none of you source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant¡
Yep, when it is say a twitter grab I look up the account and search for that particular tweet. pretty simple most of the time.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:
they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program
To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿
Well yeah.
I think they are a bit pessimistic. There are still only about 90 active cases in WA.
In that case, best of luck. There’s still that (this time, fairly well informed) option the USSA has taken, wide and free distribution of N95 masks.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:buffy said:
Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.
Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
……. and green bottles.
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
……. and green bottles.
fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program
who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
……. and green bottles.
Tursiops Are People Too ¡
—
for context, this contribution has been made in response to the following sequence
roughbarked: Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
SCIENCE: Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
Woodie: ……. and green bottles.
in a thread entitled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022”
SCIENCE said:
Woodie said:SCIENCE said:
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
……. and green bottles.
Tursiops Are People Too ¡
—
for context, this contribution has been made in response to the following sequence
roughbarked: Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.
SCIENCE: Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
Woodie: ……. and green bottles.
in a thread entitled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022”
I mean you could have just given two words, “from Canada”
transition said:
Woodie said:
SCIENCE said:
Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.
……. and green bottles.
fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program
who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own
anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others
here are some others who should be helpful for youse
dv said:
I mean you could have just given two words, “from Canada”
We could have and we did once it became apparent that there were readers who were interested in the location of the purported matter.
Honestly did large numbers of readers here consider that the important aspect of the claim was that it was from Canada, rather than simply that in the context of COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022, there has apparently been a school somewhere in the English-speaking world which requires notification of actual Mild™ ivermectin-treatable infectious disease but yet prohibits notification of COVID-19¿
We mean, can everyone else please go back over the following thread and provide adequate context to each and every contribution¿
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
dv said:
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?
dv said:
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
Heck!
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?
I don’t understand
Michael V said:
Heck!
oh c’m‘on it’s not all bad news
as y’all know we’re usually inclined to be far more cautious than the reporting or the politicking like to push, but this following hesitancy to admit that a peak is a peak surprises even us
Tasmanian health authorities say it is too early to tell whether the state’s COVID wave has peaked, even as daily case figures continue to trend down.
CONTEXT: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/tas-covid-numbers-mon-24/100776906 This post was made in a thread titled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022” and occurs against a background in which the author is usually inclined to be far more cautious than the reporting or the politicking like to push.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?
I don’t understand
I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.
I’m wondering that too.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?
I don’t understand
I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.
I’m wondering that too.
Our question for you is simpler: what is the exact number of baseline deaths estimated for the times in question¿
SCIENCE said:
Our question for you is
how are the plague states planning to enforce their back-to-school after-the-fact testing regimes, and
will the requirements slash enforcement be more rigorous than the requirements slash enforcement of actual preventative measures such as wearing N95+ masks¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I don’t understand
I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.
I’m wondering that too.
Excess deaths is an estimate. The number of deaths changes from year to year in each area. We don’t actually know how many people would have died in the UK in 2020 or 2021 without Covid, we can only estimate it from previous trends. Additionally, data from many countries is incomplete, many countries do not publish regular mortality figures, so estimated of global deaths have to include projections.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.
Heck!
yeah product of modern travel, largely, that it’s been unstoppable, further little chance of it fading away with the numbers of infections, massive host base to propel mutations/evolution
the answer apparently is to ‘open up’, though exactly what is being opened up one could conjecture is no trivial uncertainty
And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________
Estimated excess mortality from The Economist
Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.
The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.
Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.
How should we think about these estimates?
This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.
We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.
________________________________
REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021
SCIENCE said:
transition said:Woodie said:
……. and green bottles.
fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program
who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own
anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others
here are some others who should be helpful for youse
casualties I meant, not causalities, probably you read it right anyway, you see spell check is not always your friend, gives me an okay on entirely the wrong word
sibeen said:
Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.
sibeen said:
Well done Beeny Boy. As they say, there are lies, damn lies, but this time, I think you have found a statistic.
dv said:
Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.
The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.
dv said:
dv said:Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.
The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.
I’d like to see confirmed excess deaths (if any) compared to confirmed covid deaths.
Over.
Going back to the Doherty modelling … back in August this was published.
This level of vaccination will make it easier to live with the virus, as we do with other viruses such as the flu. However, it won’t be possible to maintain a situation where there are no cases at all. The focus will shift to keeping the number of people going to hospital and dying at a minimum.In an average year of influenza, we would roughly have 600 deaths and 200,000 cases in Australia. Any death is a tragedy, but our health system can cope with this. In the COVID-19 modelling, opening up at 70% vaccine coverage of the adult population with partial public health measures, we predict 385,983 symptomatic cases and 1,457 deaths over six months. With optimal public health measures (and no lockdowns), this can be significantly reduced to 2,737 infections and 13 deaths.
I realise that Omicron has changed the equation a lot but damn. Currently pegging along at 400 deaths a week, we’ll probably beat that 1457 in month.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
dv said:Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.
The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.
I’d like to see confirmed excess deaths (if any) compared to confirmed covid deaths.
Over.
As buffy and I covered earlier, there’s no such thing as confirmed excess deaths, it is necessarily an estimate. I can’t quite tell whether you are making a joke.
buffy said:
And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________Estimated excess mortality from The Economist
Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.
The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.
Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.
How should we think about these estimates?
This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.
We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.
________________________________
REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021
I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________Estimated excess mortality from The Economist
Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.
The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.
Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.
How should we think about these estimates?
This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.
We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.
________________________________
REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021
I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.
And there are a lot of them in what is known as the post war baby boom…oh…
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.
And there are a lot of them in what is known as the post war baby boom…oh…
Yeah, quite a coincidence that :)
“Victorian education minister ‘will never take health advice from Josh Frydenberg’.
Victorian Education Minister James Merlino has rejected comments from Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who earlier today said rapid antigen tests should be used for vulnerable cohorts, rather than for everyday screening.
“I’ll never take public health advice from Josh Frydenberg or anyone else from the federal government,” Mr Merlino said.
“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””
_________________________________________________________________________________________
:)
_________________________________________________________________________________________
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/covid-live-blog-isolation-vaccination-case-numbers-rat-tests/100776322
New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern cancels her wedding amid new COVID-19 rules
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s wedding, due for next weekend, won’t be proceeding due to community spread of the COVID-19 variant Omicron.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-cancels-her-wedding-amid-new-covid-19-restrictions/db24b2c7-5c17-4d02-8d3c-8f20fc0c0636
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
you got the new air pollution too
few in NSW be opening a new tube of slippery hearing that good news, you be part of the journey to endemic covid, covid egalitarianism, you’ve been deprived a necessary experience until this point
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
Uh-oh.
Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.
transition said:
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
you got the new air pollution too
few in NSW be opening a new tube of slippery hearing that good news, you be part of the journey to endemic covid, covid egalitarianism, you’ve been deprived a necessary experience until this point
doesn’t it not even count as casual contact if you’ve been hanging with a positively infectious case and have appropriate PPE videre licet N95+ mask
Mrs rb says she went to the post office theis morning and has had a warning already.
Another house in the village down with it.
2,150 cases in town
roughbarked said:
Mrs rb says she went to the post office theis morning and has had a warning already.Another house in the village down with it.
2,150 cases in town
village of the damned.
Michael V said:
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
Uh-oh.
Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.
I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
Uh-oh.
Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.
I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.
“Has the program changed recently?
Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”
what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular
transition said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Uh-oh.
Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.
I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.“Has the program changed recently?
Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”
what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular
That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.
Michael V said:
“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””
Pity we missed the first part where the N95+ masking would prevent the chain of transmission from being started in the first place.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA …
Uh-oh.
Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.
I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.
Sad…
:(
buffy said:
transition said:
Spiny Norman said:I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.“Has the program changed recently?
Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”
what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular
That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.
I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed
I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got
transition said:
buffy said:
transition said:“Has the program changed recently?
Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”
what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular
That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.
I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed
I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got
What?
buffy said:
transition said:
buffy said:That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.
I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed
I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got
What?
ahahahahahahaha
buffy said:
transition said:
buffy said:That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.
I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed
I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got
What?
make it easy for you, just take the first five words I didn’t think that sinister
not sure from which country but this good advice is posted in a COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022 thread
presumably that implies that the swab is testing for some kind of COVID but you can never be sure
scratch heads
China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.
SCIENCE said:
scratch headsChina reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.
I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
scratch heads
China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.
I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.
seems plausible
sadly it’d still be less than Australia
on the other hand the death rates are curious as well
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
scratch headsChina reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.
I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.
Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352
The report was published by The Economist
https://healthpolicy-watch.news/93258-2/
Backed by SCIENCE*: Here’s How We Can Eliminate COVID-19
Clearly, the backbone of the response needs to be effective, equitable and acceptable vaccination regimens. Work will need to be done to optimise vaccine effectiveness and to overcome major barriers to distribution, including supply, cost and acceptance. It is worth noting that humanity lived with smallpox for centuries. Only a concerted global effort to vaccinate the world resulted in smallpox eradication and that took 20 years to achieve.
Some slippages in either the effectiveness of vaccination (such as the level of neutralising antibodies, population coverage due to refusal to accept the vaccine, etc) can probably be accommodated by implementation of additional measures to reduce airborne transmission. These measures include universal use of well-fitted N95 masks indoors and in close-contact outdoor environments, effective ventilation and filtration of indoor environments, and effective implementation of testing, tracing, isolation and quarantine (TTIQ) procedures using sophisticated AI-enabled tools. A tragic consequence of the sluggishness of national and international health authorities in accepting the singular importance of airborne transmission of the virus is that, two years into the pandemic, these simple and effective non-pharmaceutical interventions, and other actions to promote safe indoor air, still have not been universally adopted.
*: disclaimer actually we have not personally contributed to this article
also our opinion is that the relative importance of vaccination and masks is inverted
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
scratch heads
China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.
I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.
Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352
The report was published by The Economist
not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)
with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic
that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Our question for you is
how are the plague states planning to enforce their back-to-school after-the-fact testing regimes, and
will the requirements slash enforcement be more rigorous than the requirements slash enforcement of actual preventative measures such as wearing N95+ masks¿
“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””
Pity we missed the first part where the N95+ masking would prevent the chain of transmission from being started in the first place.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:party_pants said:
I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.
Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352
The report was published by The Economist
not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)
with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic
that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)
JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352
The report was published by The Economist
not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)
with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic
that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)
JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.
uh how did they prevent the 900000 other deaths
The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.
roughbarked said:
The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.
which geopolitical jurisdiction
This otherwise hilarious joke fails because no influencers ever compared COVID-19 to other coronaviruses, and anyway the people who in the past needed to be on ECMO for H1N1 influenza had preexisting conditions like pregnancy so they should have just gone and died instead.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.
which geopolitical jurisdiction
Global.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-25/who-head-says-dangerous-to-assume-pandemic-is-nearing-end/100778990
roughbarked said:
The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.
First reported to the World Health Organization 2 months ago and arrived in Australia a little over a month ago. Seems a lot longer. It will be most interesting to see what happens if another variant makes it appearance, as we thought Delta was on the way out too.
shopped
Sarah Palin has tested positive for the coronavirus – on the first morning of her defamation trial against the New York Times.
Jed Rakoff, the US federal judge presiding over the case in Manhattan, announced the test result on Monday.
“She is of course unvaccinated,” the judge said, referring to the former Alaska governor, 2008 Republican vice-presidential pick and conservative political star.
SCIENCE said:
…/cut by me transition/….
not sure if that’s legit
should help raise the threshold of what’s a subclinical or otherwise irrelevant infection in the underfinder paradise, who wants to endure sustained inconveniences, plenty scope in there for cryptic transmission to stay cryptic
it might all seem oppressive for a while, people might feel repressed, but that will be the force to shed it all eventually, to fear covid no more
a time will come when the immunization through talking normalizes, masklessness, breathing words on each other, swapping air, everyone will be happy dispensers of what emerged to be an immunological necessity, regular exposure between jabs, and possibly plenty jabs too
eventually a covid will evolve that is so contagious and fortuitously benign it will probably seed clouds and alter the albedo of the planet favorably, and likely turn a century of global warming around
some might dismiss that as mad optimism
A LOT of Australian people had flu-like symptoms in early Jan 2022.
A friend of ours who was hospitalised with Covid in mid December is now back in hospital with it.
mollwollfumble said:
A LOT of Australian people had flu-like symptoms in early Jan 2022.A friend of ours who was hospitalised with Covid in mid December is now back in hospital with it.
A reinfection?
Or poor recovery?
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352
The report was published by The Economist
not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)
with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic
that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)
JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.
Ouch!
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.
“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Is he also a medical expert (or a scientist with appropriate expertise)?
If not I choose not to be influenced by such nonsense.
Eric Claptrap, more like.
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
The Cream isn’t rising to the top.
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Divine Angel said:
Ha!
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
The Cream isn’t rising to the top.
Ha!
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Eric Clapton is rather good with a guitar.
Other than that, he’s a dill.
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Is Claptout really an “influencer”
Other when playing his guitar, I thought he was widely recognised as being a bit of an arsehole.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
:)
Well remembered :)
I wonder if Clapton has considered the other side of the coin: that it’s the deniers that have fallen prey to ‘mass formation hypnosis’?
Goodness knows, they give every indication of not being the sharpest tools in the shed.
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Eric or Richard?
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Eric or Richard?
Clapton the God was definitely Eric.
Around where I grew up anyway.
captain_spalding said:
sibeen said:
Peak Warming Man said:
BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”
….more to come
Eric or Richard?
The girls on the avenue would say Richard.
COVID-19 outbreak on board HMAS Adelaide could hold up delivery of vital aid to Tonga
By foreign affairs reporter Stephen Dziedzic
Uncertainty surrounds Australia’s latest aid mission to Tonga, as almost two dozen personnel on a Navy ship carrying humanitarian supplies to the country test positive to COVID-19.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-25/covid-19-outbreak-on-board-hmas-adelaide-delivering-aid-to-tonga/100779816
dv said:
Huh?
“not”?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Huh?
“not”?
https://liveatyourlocal.com.au/2021/09/15/34-artists-on-how-the-vax-can-help-us-get-back-on-track/
Michael V said:
dv said:
Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Huh?
“not”?
https://liveatyourlocal.com.au/2021/09/15/34-artists-on-how-the-vax-can-help-us-get-back-on-track/
Ta.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
would these mask be suitable for covid?
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
There are two Claptons:
Eric Clapton
Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
Richard Clapton
Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Eric is British.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
So you see, Eric Clapton turns out to be funding antivax misinformation campaigns and a few moments ago on the forum there was an image of a graffito that says “Clapton is God” followed by a jocular conversation about whether we’re talking about Eric or Richard so here is a little headline emphasising the fact that there is still at least one geetar playing Clapton on the side of the angels.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:Huh?
“not”?
Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
Why?
Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.
Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Eric is English.
Bubblecar said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Eric is British.
Just as bad.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
There are two Claptons:
Eric Clapton
Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
Richard Clapton
Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton
I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.
But let’s not debate matters of flavour.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
Why?
Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.
Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.
what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Eric is English.
thanks mister pliocene era.
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:I’m officially Quite Confused now.
Why?
Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.
Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.
what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..
Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.
Or maybe he’s reformed these days.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:I’m officially Quite Confused now.
There are two Claptons:
Eric Clapton
Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
Richard Clapton
Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton
I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.
But let’s not debate matters of flavour.
I agree. Although there is a lot of Eric I don’t want to listen to. The only Eric record I own is 461 Ocean Boulevarde.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Eric is English.
thanks mister pliocene era.
“The Pliocene Epoch is the epoch in the geologic timescale that extends from 5.333 million to 2.58 million years BP. “
Seems a slight exageration.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:There are two Claptons:
Eric Clapton
Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
Richard Clapton
Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton
I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.
But let’s not debate matters of flavour.
I agree. Although there is a lot of Eric I don’t want to listen to. The only Eric record I own is 461 Ocean Boulevarde.
It should be said that his music that I enjoy is more due to Jack Bruce’s playing than his, but nonetheless they did play well together, and neither reached the same heights in their later careers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why?
Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.
Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.
what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..
Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.
Or maybe he’s reformed these days.
Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent
Wait
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Eric is English.
thanks mister pliocene era.
“The Pliocene Epoch is the epoch in the geologic timescale that extends from 5.333 million to 2.58 million years BP. “
Seems a slight exageration.
well, maybe.
:-)
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..
Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.
Or maybe he’s reformed these days.
Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent
Wait
yikes
I’m not sure we’d have been mates
SA: Premier says today’s low infection numbers are positive
Peak Warming Man said:
SA: Premier says today’s low infection numbers are positive
Lol
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.
Ah.
Thanks.
Arts said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.
Or maybe he’s reformed these days.
Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent
Wait
yikes
People are getting upset with me pointing out that Meat Loaf was an anti-vaxxer, so it’s his fault he died from it.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Eric is the anti-vaxxer.
I’m officially Quite Confused now.
There are two Claptons:
Eric Clapton
Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton
Richard Clapton
Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton
Thanks.
:)
Spiny Norman said:
Arts said:
dv said:Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent
Wait
yikes
People are getting upset with me pointing out that Meat Loaf was an anti-vaxxer, so it’s his fault he died from it.
You can count me as one who was not upset with you.
I’m trying to stay on the right line between solemn cautionary lecture and outright schadenfreude
Embarrassing old fucker.
As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.
If I ever get like that, shoot me.
Bubblecar said:
Embarrassing old fucker.As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.
If I ever get like that, shoot me.
No worries.
dv said:
I’m not sure we’d have been mates
What a dick.
Bubblecar said:
Embarrassing old fucker.As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.
If I ever get like that, shoot me.
I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.
Michael V said:
dv said:
I’m not sure we’d have been mates
What a dick.
yep.
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
Embarrassing old fucker.As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.
If I ever get like that, shoot me.
I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.
LOL – nor from me, either.
:)
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
Embarrassing old fucker.As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.
If I ever get like that, shoot me.
I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.LOL – nor from me, either.
:)
I was living in England in 1976, but never heard a word of this back then.
In fact I think the first I heard of it may have been on this very forum (or its predecessor).
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I’m not sure we’d have been mates
What a dick.
yep.
what’s wrong with a little racial homogeneity, people have become so intolerant
British experts have warned that around 22,500 UK sites of archaeological significance are under threat from climate change.
As changing weather patterns continue to dry out peatlands, the still-buried artefacts they contain could also be destroyed, according to Dr Andrew Birley, Dr Gillian Taylor of Teesside University and Dr Rosie Everett of Northumbria University.
Due to peat soil containing very little oxygen, organic materials like wood, leather, textiles and even, in some cases, human flesh do not rot.
Thus items from the long-ago past can still be unearthed.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/climate-change-threatening-britain-s-ancient-treasure-as-peat-bogs-dry-out/ar-AAT6ZSQ?ocid=msedgntp
This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing
Flattening the curve
Arts said:
dv said:
This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing
Flattening the curve
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)
with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic
that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)
JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.
uh how did they prevent the 900000 other deaths
aha found it they must be using the UK method of counting
we knew it, this is typical CHINA, steal something that someone else does and grow it and make it efficient and end up with 10 times more
they wouldn’t get away with doing this in Australia
⚠
For The British, Hong Kong Is A Very Dark Place
It occurs to me that the demonization of unvaccinated people in intensive care may be unfair to quite a proportion of them. I have not seen reported anywhere how many of them are unvaccinated by choice. There is a minority of people unable to be vaccinated due to great frailty, being in the terminal stages of a disease, allergy to some component of the vaccine, being generally unwell, various other reasons. These people will also be the people who are most likely to be severely affected by COVID and need intensive care. To then attach blame to them if they do catch the bug and need intensive care would seem to me to be rude, at the very least.
Australia is now over 90% vaccinated.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-statistics
So the remaining 7% would include people unable to be vaccinated. I don’t know, but I would think it likely they constitute possibly more than 50% of that 7%. So perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:dv said:
This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing
Flattening the curve
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
- given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
- media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
- that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
- and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
- mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
- people have run away from cities
- school’sn’t back yet
self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion
covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious
buffy said:
It occurs to me that the demonization of unvaccinated people in intensive care may be unfair to quite a proportion of them. I have not seen reported anywhere how many of them are unvaccinated by choice. There is a minority of people unable to be vaccinated due to great frailty, being in the terminal stages of a disease, allergy to some component of the vaccine, being generally unwell, various other reasons. These people will also be the people who are most likely to be severely affected by COVID and need intensive care. To then attach blame to them if they do catch the bug and need intensive care would seem to me to be rude, at the very least.
Australia is now over 90% vaccinated.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-statistics
So the remaining 7% would include people unable to be vaccinated. I don’t know, but I would think it likely they constitute possibly more than 50% of that 7%. So perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them.
ah well we suppose most people too sick to get a vaccination would probably also be too sick to withstand the impositions of intensive care but hey what would we know, those dirty corrupt doctors running intensive care units probably look at some old crumbly unvaccinated dude and think, well at least ‘e didn’t stay unvaccinated by choice, and inappropriately decide to take the old crumble instead of the strong young fella with no other pre-existing conditions but who didn’t get shot by choice
we mean hey when people die and it’s obviously acceptable if they have pre-existing conditions, that’s their own fault too hey, or perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
Flattening the curve
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
- given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
- media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
- that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
- and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
- mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
- people have run away from cities
- school’sn’t back yet
self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion
covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious
don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.
“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.
SCIENCE said:
transition said:SCIENCE said:
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
- given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
- media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
- that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
- and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
- mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
- people have run away from cities
- school’sn’t back yet
self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion
covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious
don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.
“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.
I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
transition said:self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion
covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious
don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.
“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.
I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.
“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.
I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.
shrug we’re very happy for people to protect their own health and take precautions we mean hey we go anywhere outside the residence with N95+ on but just find it a little off for the narrative-controllers to then go forward and call it Freedom® compared to a fully-interrupted transmission scenario where said precautions aren’t necessary
The number of children in American hospitals with covid-19 is rising fast
Rapid transmission and vaccination discrepancies are part of the explanation
Jan 17th 2022
In many countries where the Omicron variant has taken hold, the number of children hospitalised with covid-19 is rising quickly. In America, more are in hospital with the disease than ever before, including five times as many under-fives as in January last year. In England, in the week to January 9th, the hospitalisation rate for that age group was around 14 per 100,000, the highest for any group under 55.
These increases have been caused in part by the greater transmissibility of Omicron, which means more children are being infected with covid. But it is possible that the variant also poses a greater risk to youngsters. The Economist’s analysis finds that in America the share of children under five who caught the disease and needed hospital treatment has risen. The case-hospitalisation ratio in the last two weeks of December was 50% higher than in the two weeks before Omicron was first detected.
Data from New York state, released on January 7th, suggest something similar. Its health department found a near 50% increase in hospital admissions per 100,000 cases in children aged four or younger after the variant was first detected, and a 70% increase in unvaccinated children aged five to 11 (but a decrease in those over the age of 12). Doctors have speculated that this is because Omicron reproduces higher in the respiratory tract than previous variants, causing milder symptoms in adults as the virus does less damage to the lungs, but worse ones in children, because their smaller airways can become blocked more easily.
Figures on hospitalisations tend to fluctuate over time even without the emergence of new variants, so the increases are far from definitive proof that Omicron is riskier for children. Differences in vaccination rates provide another potential explanation. In America, 63% of adults are fully vaccinated and 24% have had a booster shot. Fewer children have had the jab. No shots have been approved for those aged four and younger, and only 18% of five- to 11-year-olds have been fully vaccinated. The proportion of people being admitted to hospital “with” rather than “for” covid has also risen.
Evidence on the matter is still emerging. A report from Britain’s health-security agency suggests that, for children above the age of five, Omicron presents a lower risk of hospitalisation than Delta. Other British data show that, although more infants are being admitted to hospital with covid, the number in intensive care, the percentage needing ventilation and the average length of their stay have fallen compared with previous waves. The vast majority of children infected with covid experience mild illness and are far less likely than older folk to need hospital treatment. Parents should still worry more about themselves than about their offspring.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/17/the-number-of-children-in-american-hospitals-with-covid-19-is-rising-fast?
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares
Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.
“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.
I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.
Excellent.
:)
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.Excellent.
:)
Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(
Speedy said:
Michael V said:
Tamb said:Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.Excellent.
:)
Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(
Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.
Michael V said:
Speedy said:
Michael V said:Excellent.
:)
Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(
Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.
Weird that.
Talked to a mate of mine on the phone yesterday, his kid caught the virus and they haven’t been wearing masks at home but he and his wife didn’t catch it.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Speedy said:Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(
Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.
Weird that.
Talked to a mate of mine on the phone yesterday, his kid caught the virus and they haven’t been wearing masks at home but he and his wife didn’t catch it.
Yes it is weird. Although SJ has had his booster, that wasn’t provided until after his exposure, and was only 4 days ago now so supposedly it will not yet be providing any added protection.
SJ and LS are only 15 months apart in age, and SJ has only recently turned 18, making him eligible for his booster. LS is not yet eligible and NSW Health says:
Why are people aged under 18 not eligible for a booster when they can get a vaccine?
Booster doses are not currently recommended for those aged under 18 years. In this age group, severe COVID-19 is uncommon, and the primary course of COVID-19 vaccines generates a strong immune response, so the benefit from additional doses of vaccine is likely to be small.
In addition, there are currently only very limited data on the safety of repeated mRNA vaccine doses in this age group.
ATAGI will advise if a booster dose is required for children and young people (aged under 18) in the future.
Clearly there can be no definitive age where the primary course will generate a strong immune response, or not. I’m hoping that his was sufficient to protect him in this instance, and that having had his booster, he will now be Covid-proof for a little while at least. He needs to be, as he’s on the trains almost daily.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:Michael V said:
I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.
Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.shrug we’re very happy for people to protect their own health and take precautions we mean hey we go anywhere outside the residence with N95+ on but just find it a little off for the narrative-controllers to then go forward and call it Freedom® compared to a fully-interrupted transmission scenario where said precautions aren’t necessary
what’s a few lives, illness, covid injury, inconvenience and self-imposed isolation for the locals, free live-virus vaccine booster also, oh did I mention the uncertainty, and why, so the jetsetters can land into existing covid background noise and not be inconvenienced by quarantine
it’s a beautiful win for free-range internationalism, all those mobile loyalties
casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far
SCIENCE said:
casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far
and a good reminder
Have see seen this image on the Covid thread yet?
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SCIENCE said:
casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far
and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far
and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
15 all.
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far
and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection
sibeen said:
dv said:
transition said:and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
15 all.
quiet please…
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection
TRUE but not being dead is also important
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
dv said:If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
15 all.
quiet please…
LOLOL at you lot.
:)
dv said:
transition said:
dv said:If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection
TRUE but not being dead is also important
yes it’s crushingly obvious, what more is there to say
transition said:
dv said:
transition said:From Science: “casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far”
and a good reminder
If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection
I am surprised to be in total agreement, on both issues. I can’t confirm that 9.5+ times, but it’s definitely in the right ballpark.
The covid hotspots map at the NYT.
sibeen said:
The covid hotspots map at the NYT.
Is this cases or deaths
dv said:
sibeen said:
The covid hotspots map at the NYT.
Is this cases or deaths
Cases.
What makes animals susceptible to SARS-CoV-2?
Hong Kong’s hamsters are far from the only unlucky species
Jan 25th 2022
Hamster vigilantes conspiring against the government sounds like a joke, or perhaps the plot of a children’s film. Unfortunately, in Hong Kong it is serious. Having discovered that some hamsters imported from the Netherlands in late December were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid-19, the territory’s government ordered a cull of the animals. Thousands of heartbroken owners have refused to surrender their pets and have collaborated with sympathisers to form an underground network whereby their hamsters can be hidden from snooping officials. It is a dismal situation and one that prompts the question: are other pets likely to contract the virus too?
SARS-CoV-2 finds its way into other species in much the same way that it infects humans. The virus travels on aerosols into the upper respiratory system of the animal, where some cells have particular proteins on their surfaces to which it can bind. Thus bound it hijacks the cell and forces it to mass-produce copies that will then go on to bind to other cells nearby. The critical factor is whether the cells of the species in question have receptor proteins to which SARS-CoV-2 can bind. In many cases they do.
The receptor in question is known as angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, or ACE2. It is used by the body to regulate blood pressure and, since most animals have blood that needs to be managed at a specific pressure, it is commonly found in other species. Not all species’ ACE2 receptors are alike, however. If the receptor lacks components that the virus needs to make a good connection, it struggles to bind. This is the case for the common house mouse, which SARS-CoV-2 has a difficult time infecting. In contrast, the golden hamsters that are commonly kept as pets have ACE2 receptors that are ideal for viral binding. A number of studies have shown that these rodents are vulnerable to the virus, and experts in zoonotic diseases believe they are likely to become highly infectious as well.
Golden hamsters are not the only animals that are easy for the virus to infect. More than 540 species are likely to have the right kind of receptors, according to research by Barbara Han of the Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies, New York (see chart). Gorillas, monkeys, marmosets and macaques, being closely related to humans, all have vulnerable receptors. So too do many felids including tigers, lions, cougars and house cats. Dogs, cows, ferrets and deer also can catch the disease. Indeed, the virus is already circulating widely among white-tailed deer in North America. Whether any of these deer face suffering or death from SARS-CoV-2 remains to be determined. But more concerning than the health of the animals is the way in which the virus might change if it starts circulating in other populations.
Just as SARS-CoV-2 has been driven to evolve into more contagious strains as it has faced the challenges imposed by masks, social distancing and vaccines, so too would it evolve in unpredictable ways if it were to enter into another species and face its immune system. It is unclear whether such further evolution would result in a virus that, should it find its way back into people, would be more dangerous, but nobody wants to find out. It is a dire predicament that the people of Hong Kong face but the government thinks it is safest to cull the hamsters. Pet lovers across the globe should pray that the virus does not begin circulating widely in dogs and cats too.
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/01/25/what-makes-animals-susceptible-to-sars-cov-2?
sibeen said:
dv said:
sibeen said:
The covid hotspots map at the NYT.
Is this cases or deaths
Cases.
>
Poor animals, keep them away from humans
And make sure they wear face masks or are triple vaccinated.
Whatever happened to the saying “cats can’t give us Covid but would if they could”?
dv said:
transition said:
dv said:If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…
true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection
TRUE but not being dead is also important
not really, we’re pretty sure being dead would prevent infection even better than masks or vaccines
Witty Rejoinder said:
Would humans rate at maximum on that scale?
In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.
or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.
or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges
question all look a bit loaded to me
transition said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.
or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges
question all look a bit loaded to me
Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges
question all look a bit loaded to me
Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?
Not that I recall.
dv said:
transition said:
SCIENCE said:or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges
question all look a bit loaded to me
Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?
questions are quite effective at distracting from the influence of media
Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
buffy said:
Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And we’re up only about 98 places from around the middle of last year.
So much winning!
Spiny Norman said:
buffy said:
Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
And we’re up only about 98 places from around the middle of last year.
So much winning!
Nup, on deaths per million we’ve only moved up a few spots. Sitting at 163.
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dv said:
transition said:question all look a bit loaded to me
Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?
questions are quite effective at distracting from the influence of media
agree most of above
Without wanting to be too optimistic it appears as though Australia’s new cases numbers are definitely in decline, and active cases are stable, as are daily deaths. If the death counts track new cases as expected, they should start dropping off next week.
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
>school’sn’t back yet
yeah the new recruits, little endemic covid warriors be on the front line doing their part for endemic equilibrium soon enough
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>school’sn’t back yetyeah the new recruits, little endemic covid warriors be on the front line doing their part for endemic equilibrium soon enough
will they even know they’re an instrument of covid equilibrium, part of making good the program
SCIENCE said:
actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons
- given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
- media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
- that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
- and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
- mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
- people have run away from cities
- school’sn’t back yet
Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.
sibeen said:
Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.
no
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.
no
Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.
no
Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.
OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:no
Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.
OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…
The General Conference was supposed tto be last year but it was put off due to the pandemic. There is to be a split between those who fervently believe that god hates poofters and those within the same church that believe god loves everybody, even those who go to bed with someone of the same sex.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.
OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…
The General Conference was supposed tto be last year but it was put off due to the pandemic. There is to be a split between those who fervently believe that god hates poofters and those within the same church that believe god loves everybody, even those who go to bed with someone of the same sex.
Oh.
Well, I guess that will result in schism then. Too bad, so sad. I am so glad I am out of that scene. But for the grace of Darwin, there goes I.
mhajyq
SCIENCE said:
mhajyq
damn
SCIENCE said:
mhajyq
Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
mhajyq
Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.
those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving
transition said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
mhajyq
Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.
those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving
‘twas a relatively small screen shot but also keeps giving, we mean, consider why it’s news that someone somewhere moves to include certain figures
wait yes there was that other thread, proper something, have a bit of a gander or similar
SCIENCE said:
transition said:PermeateFree said:
Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.
those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving
‘twas a relatively small screen shot but also keeps giving, we mean, consider why it’s news that someone somewhere moves to include certain figures
wait yes there was that other thread, proper something, have a bit of a gander or similar
it could have been that the reinfections were hiding somewhere, embarrassed to be seen in public, hiding among all the mushrooms, then there were so many it became impossible to hide anymore, and out they all came confidently in their tens of thousands, elevated to a similar status and perhaps higher status than a once-only infection, and they lived happily ever after among the mushrooms
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/26/entertainment/neil-young-spotify/index.html
Neil Young asks Spotify to remove his music, in protest of Spotify hosting antivax misinformation by Joe Rogan
COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702
sarahs mum said:
COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702
That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.
Spiny Norman said:
sarahs mum said:
COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702
That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.
sorright.
someone else would have posted it if we weren’t having a slow day here.
sarahs mum said:
Spiny Norman said:
sarahs mum said:
COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702
That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.
sorright.
someone else would have posted it if we weren’t having a slow day here.
imagine a head cold so mild that people have to take medications with high risk of dangerous interactions with other drugs or that have 30 per cent effectiveness (from article) to avoid going to hospital with it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/sa-government-reveals-details-for-return-to-school/100756364
unfortunately we didn’t filter this before so here’s the hot air now
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/air-purifiers-in-schools-do-they-work/100781936
South Australia’s Education Department said last month that an independent trial of air purifiers found they “do not reduce the amount of CO2 within education spaces in any meaningful way and provide minimal improvement to the quality of the air”.
remember when a little sheet of fabric in front of the face was tantamount to child abuse because it would trap lethal amounts of CO2 and make already-vaccine-autistic students into culinary vegetables
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
is she a tosser of a satirist?
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
is she a tosser
ofa satirist?
or
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out Loud
is she a tosser
ofa satirist?
or
we admit that it took us until the comments to be confident of the answer, but found it even more entertaining when we were
(though some comments do accuse her of being a tosser of a satirist so there is that)
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:ChrispenEvan said:
is she a tosser
ofa satirist?
or
we admit that it took us until the comments to be confident of the answer, but found it even more entertaining when we were
(though some comments do accuse her of being a tosser of a satirist so there is that)
bit of a positive tease from the covid gregarious, sounds good for a one-off read, not sure i’d like to be stuck in a room for more than a minute with it
This article says a lot, i think:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/because-we-could-not-stop-for-death/
There were 93 deaths announced today but 35 of these actually occurred earlier in the month in NSW but have just been accounted now so don’t panic
dv said:
There were 93 deaths announced today but 35 of these actually occurred earlier in the month in NSW but have just been accounted now so don’t panic
a better strategy would be to announce them at a nadir of cases and then we could blame all those fucking idiots who thought that stopping transmission of virulent infectious disease was a good idea
https://www.abc.net.au/everyday/managing-covid-infection-guilt/100785344
For instance, you might think that you would not have caught and given someone else COVID if we had not attended a party — easily forgetting that you had no way of knowing you would have contracted COVID at the party. This is known as hindsight bias.
in summary unless you’re left with {absolutely zero probability of a virus being present or transmitted} to hide behind, then all good not your fault risk taken appropriately
Laugh Out Loud
The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.
University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.
He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”
so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out LoudThe delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.
University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.
He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”
so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops
I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out LoudThe delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.
University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.
He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”
so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops
>The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert
well it will likely be different people that die (from covid), and whoever does end up dead won’t be dead so soon
it’s bit like a blindfolded firing squad this endemic equilibrium enthusiasm, enthusiasts
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out LoudThe delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.
University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.
He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”
so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops
I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)
You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Laugh Out LoudThe delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.
University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.
He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”
so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops
I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)
You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.
Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)
You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.
Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…
…people are food too…
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.
Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…
…people are food too…
we meant tofu and dal and vegetables you barbarians
Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028
SCIENCE said:
Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028
You’re getting too cynical.
Australian Fascists Greens Ready For Landslide In 2028.
Corrected.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028
You’re getting too cynical.
Australian
FascistsGreens Ready For Landslide In 2028.Corrected.
oh is the next big variant this year going to be a neuroenhancing one for a change
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