Date: 22/01/2022 07:34:30
From: buffy
ID: 1839123
Subject: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Here, have a new one.

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Date: 22/01/2022 07:39:40
From: buffy
ID: 1839124
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

And there was some updating of some Cochrane Special Collection stuff a few days ago. Here is their latest on:

Coronavirus (COVID-19): infection control and prevention measures
18 January 2022

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/collections/doi/SC000040/full

Lots of reading there for those who want to know the latest information from the journals.

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Date: 22/01/2022 08:56:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839141
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://www.smh.com.au/national/who-wants-to-get-sick-why-the-west-will-mostly-back-mark-mcgowan-despite-backflip-20220121-p59q4e.html

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Date: 22/01/2022 08:58:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839142
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Exclusive

Josh Frydenberg

Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/consumers-spending-more-than-they-did-during-the-delta-lockdowns-20220121-p59q9c.html

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:10:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839146
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition will love the implicit in this ABC gem

While Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she did not expect the reopening of Queensland’s international borders to increase the amount of COVID-19 virus circulating in the state — given travellers are currently more likely to contract the infection in Australia than overseas — experts expect it will open the door to more flu cases.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:11:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1839147
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Exclusive

Josh Frydenberg

Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/consumers-spending-more-than-they-did-during-the-delta-lockdowns-20220121-p59q9c.html

‘You can’t take it with you.’

Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:13:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839149
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

Exclusive

Josh Frydenberg

Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/consumers-spending-more-than-they-did-during-the-delta-lockdowns-20220121-p59q9c.html

‘You can’t take it with you.’

Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?

There’s no towbar on the hearse.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:24:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1839152
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Exclusive

Josh Frydenberg

Consumers spending more than they did during the Delta lockdowns

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/consumers-spending-more-than-they-did-during-the-delta-lockdowns-20220121-p59q9c.html

‘You can’t take it with you.’

Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?

There’s no towbar on the hearse.

No pockets in a shroud.

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Date: 22/01/2022 09:42:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1839161
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


https://www.smh.com.au/national/who-wants-to-get-sick-why-the-west-will-mostly-back-mark-mcgowan-despite-backflip-20220121-p59q4e.html

Was the date really “set in stone” before the “back-flip”?

To insist on opening up when case numbers in the Eastern states are about 1000 x higher seems like a crazy thing to do to me.

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:06:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839208
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

‘You can’t take it with you.’

Is that what ‘consumers’ are thinking?

There’s no towbar on the hearse.

No pockets in a shroud.

maybe expenditure on RATs is included in economic figures just saying

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:13:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839215
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/who-wants-to-get-sick-why-the-west-will-mostly-back-mark-mcgowan-despite-backflip-20220121-p59q4e.html

Was the date really “set in stone” before the “back-flip”?

To insist on opening up when case numbers in the Eastern states are about 1000 x higher seems like a crazy thing to do to me.

from memory he advised it was non negotiable barring any unforeseens

and then as we know many scientists slash engineers foresaw that COVID-19 would still be a massive problem, potentially evolve, et cetera

but nevertheless Marketing claimed all these things were not foreseen

so as we all know there was always a good chance WA could avoid importing massive disaster

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Date: 22/01/2022 11:48:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839235
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

“Getting schools back on track on day one is incredibly important for kids and for parents because we know that if schools don’t go back, 5 per cent of the workforce is also taken out,” he said.

However, he warned the community to be prepared for further increases in case numbers as a result of greater mobility.

“This is a return to normal

Laug

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:02:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839236
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

yet again, even in a sprinkling of some fair perspective

https://www.theage.com.au/national/next-level-uncertainty-may-be-pandemic-s-most-poisonous-sting-20220120-p59q0k.html

only 2 mentions of mask despite N95+ being the best bet for everything else to go back to normal

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Date: 22/01/2022 12:10:27
From: transition
ID: 1839238
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


“Getting schools back on track on day one is incredibly important for kids and for parents because we know that if schools don’t go back, 5 per cent of the workforce is also taken out,” he said.

However, he warned the community to be prepared for further increases in case numbers as a result of greater mobility.

“This is a return to normal

Laug

it’s heartening to think children have been and are to be recruited to the endemic covid program, become instrumental to normalization of endemic covid, do their bit to help spread covid

a remarkable progression of civilization

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Date: 22/01/2022 14:24:48
From: sibeen
ID: 1839304
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

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Date: 22/01/2022 14:59:23
From: btm
ID: 1839308
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:15:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1839311
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

I’ve been wondering about the falling number of PCR tests in Victoria.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:15:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839312
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

btm said:

sibeen said:

Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?

guess MassCOVID isn’t inevitable after all, soon there’ll be virtually no cases

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:26:23
From: fsm
ID: 1839317
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:32:13
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1839319
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

fsm said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720

The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:33:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1839321
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

btm said:


sibeen said:

Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

Is she collecting samples for PCR testing or actually running the tests?

Collecting.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:35:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839323
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720

The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.

Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿

But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.

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Date: 22/01/2022 15:55:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839328
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The ‘Omicron wave’ was the catastrophic dumper that closed our Sunshine Coast restaurant forever Teresa Russell

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:15:37
From: Michael V
ID: 1839337
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


captain_spalding said:

fsm said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/nsw-covid-omicron-hospital-peak/100773720

The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.

Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿

But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.

Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:18:43
From: Tamb
ID: 1839339
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.

Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿

But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.

Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.

Qld figures
Total Qld deaths 95

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:20:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839343
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:

The ‘Omicron wave’ was the catastrophic dumper that closed our Sunshine Coast restaurant forever Teresa Russell

Damn it this is all Jeannette Young’s fault ¡

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:27:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839344
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿

But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.

Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.

Qld figures
Total Qld deaths 95

Sorry forgot to mention how much the economy actually benefited from all the death, we were very pleased with that too.

Keep up the N95+ masking and greedy political arseholes can go and fuck right off.

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:45:27
From: buffy
ID: 1839348
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

I gather from gossip (always reliable…) that people aren’t bothering much with testing around here. And there certainly aren’t RATs available here. I am also informed by Gossip that at the testing here they RAT and then PCR if it comes up positive.

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Date: 22/01/2022 16:53:28
From: buffy
ID: 1839350
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


sibeen said:

Senior sprog has just walked in the door after being sent home early from her work doing PCR testing at one of the bigger testing facilities in Melbourne. Looks like people are not bothering or just doing a RATS if they can find one.

I gather from gossip (always reliable…) that people aren’t bothering much with testing around here. And there certainly aren’t RATs available here. I am also informed by Gossip that at the testing here they RAT and then PCR if it comes up positive.

Looks like some people are still turning up. From our local hospital site:

https://wdhs.net/v2/covid-19/covid-19-exposure-sites/

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Date: 22/01/2022 17:22:07
From: transition
ID: 1839356
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

The families of the deceased from ‘this wave’ will no doubt take great comfort from all that.

Who knows, maybe boosters are good for something after all ¿

But yes we’re all proud of having been offered as a sacrifice to the Economy Must Grow, as long as everyone left over is feeling happy.

Speak for yourself. I’m not proud. Nor am I proud of our “let it rip” governments sacrificing around 750 people per week.

SCIENCE is being sarcastic, he sarcasticates a lot

had a look in that page, I did, the broadcaster you know provides information, a view on events, even has ideas about why you should know, know whatever, provides the correct language to deliver the views, language you might convey the same or very similar views to others with, the shared reality, little effort required, save you arranging words into new formulations, your own word formulations that might mean something else, done effectively you won’t have another view, a different view, you may even forget it’s a possibility

it’s a device to that end, the phrase omicron wave, takes your mind away from the intentional aspects of the program of endemic covid, a person is less able to distinguish between the two, the program and the virus

the decline in found numbers of covid could be largely a consequence of people self-limiting social contacts, swapping air, the prevalence of covid is oppressive

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Date: 22/01/2022 19:47:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1839418
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Meanwhile in Australia PART 47 🥴
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJ29baKuvw

—-

Jimmy Rees has covid.

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Date: 22/01/2022 22:05:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839440
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Wishin’ Y’all Good Luck Yo

Ny Omikron-variant spreder sig – du kan muligvis blive smittet to gange, siger SSI-forsker

Virusforsker Anders Fomsgaard fortæller, at hele verden lige nu ser mod Danmark, hvor undervarianten af Omikron, BA.2, spreder sig. De høje smittetal har ligeledes ført til, at flere fagfolk er begyndt at tale om flokimmunitet. Men en undervariant af Omikron kaldet BA.2 kan nu potentielt true gruppeimmuniteten, forklarer Anders Fomsgaard, der er overlæge og virusforsker ved SSI. – Det er muligt, at man kan blive smittet med BA.1 Omikron først, og så kort efter med BA.2, fortæller han i ’Go morgen Danmark’. I Norge, hvor BA.2 også spreder sig, har man nemlig set enkelte tilfælde, hvor dette er sket.

- Faktisk er de to så forskellige fra hinanden, som Alpha-varianten var fra Wuhan, så der er nogle ret markante forskelle, når man ser på immunitet og smitte, forklarer Anders Fomsgaard. Her er det ikke i aldersfordelingen af de smittede, eller hvor syge de smittede bliver, hvor de to adskiller sig. Det er i det såkaldte spikeprotein, som vaccinerne også er bygget af, den tydelige forskel ses, lyder det.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2022-01-21-ny-omikron-variant-spreder-sig-du-kan-muligvis-blive-smittet-to-gange-siger-ssi-forsker

translation (all right, not quite, slightly differently strained)

https://www.mamamia.com.au/can-you-get-covid-twice/

‘I got COVID twice in 21 days. Here’s what I need you to know.‘

Even as I type this, I can scarcely believe it’s true, but – I’ve caught COVID twice, in 21 days. To say that I feel hard done by is an understatement. I tested positive the first time, smack bang before the holidays, in the most horribly perfect little window that would ensure I spent both Christmas and New Year’s isolating. When I was eventually discharged by NSW Health after 13 days at home, I was told that I’d had the Delta strain, and assured that my sense of taste and smell would return soon. Losing both had its ups and downs.

Delta, whilst rough, had been substantially less shit than I had expected. I had cracking fevers, a bastard headache, chills, fatigue and the overarching feeling that this is what it must be like to get hit by a truck. I had no appetite, slept entire days away – but at no point did I feel like I may end up in hospital fighting for my life. Go, vaccines! I’d love to say I then had a week of relative normalcy before being struck once more, but honestly? Though ‘recovered’ for the most part, the lingering tiredness and heavy brain fog were no f***ing joke.

I finally managed one skimpy little night out, where I pranced all over town drinking margies, shortsightedly declaring that my recent production of antibodies rendered me damn near invincible. At one point I distinctly recall even going as far as to declare: “LOL! You can’t catch it twice!” And that there, my loves, is the very definition of ‘famous last words’, because as it would happen – little more than three days later – Omicron would come along, ready to f**k up my hot girl summer.

It began the same way the flu and colds generally do. Sore neck, sore throat, sore eyes, sore head. I made myself a doctor’s appointment for the following day, thinking it wouldn’t hurt to have a little post-coves catch up, anyway. But the next morning, for lack of a better word: I felt f***ed. I could barely lift my head off the pillow, every muscle in my body ached, I felt cripplingly nauseous and could potentially have drowned in my own sweat. Unsure if I could physically even make it to the doctors (and doubtful they’d let me in, anyway) I swapped my appointment for a phone consultation.

Even now, readying myself to emerge from isolation, I’m far from 100 per cent. I feel about 80 years old. My body is broken. Making a cup of tea tires me to the point I need a little ‘sit down’. Climbing the single step into the raised part of my garden makes my legs ache like I’ve run a marathon, and for the first time in my entire life I’m on a ‘health kick’ – I feel so run down that I can’t help but be acutely aware of the need to rebuild.

I feel silly for not knowing double-COVID was even a thing. In the early stages of my second batch of symptoms I spent ages googling questions like “can you catch COVID twice?” and there was little, to nothing, to convince me that (at least in such a small time frame) you could.

we apologise for being unconvincing, and refrain from repeating “we fkn told you so” so we’ll only say it once here

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Date: 22/01/2022 22:58:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839453
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

wait

Wait.

WAIT¿¡

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Date: 22/01/2022 23:05:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839455
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

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Date: 22/01/2022 23:23:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839457
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

this chart purportedly represents the number of admitted days in ICU depending on diagnosis over the last 10 years, but neglects to mention that most of the COVID-19 diagnoses are at least one of

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Date: 23/01/2022 00:29:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839466
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Laugh Out Loud

Finally, Something Good Comes Of Pandemic

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/us-conservatives-spread-anti-vaccine-covid-misinformation-uganda/

pity the story is probably just lies in a communist chatroom

⚠ and this post may contain sarcasm with more than a hint of despair

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Date: 23/01/2022 01:09:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839467
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

Oh How The Rotation Matrices Commuted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/01/21/china-flights-banned-covid/

U.S. blocks dozens of flights by Chinese airlines in response to virus policy

The move comes as China has been suspending flights by American carriers after alleging in-bound passengers had later tested positive for the coronavirus

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Date: 23/01/2022 07:01:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839486
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud

Finally, Something Good Comes Of Pandemic

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/us-conservatives-spread-anti-vaccine-covid-misinformation-uganda/

pity the story is probably just lies in a communist chatroom

⚠ and this post may contain sarcasm with more than a hint of despair

Saw a notice on the board at supermart. Call This phone # for information about vaccines for children, know the facts. Looked to me like I should call them and tell them to pull their head in.

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Date: 23/01/2022 09:43:30
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1839526
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.

Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.

If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.

But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.

theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672

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Date: 23/01/2022 10:26:51
From: transition
ID: 1839549
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.

Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.

If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.

But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.

theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672

…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder

a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped

which is all a bit monty python really

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Date: 23/01/2022 10:59:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839561
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

Spiny Norman said:

The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.

Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.

If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.

But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.

theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672

…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder

a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped

which is all a bit monty python really

for values of misleading approaching outright lie surely, we mean what was the go about quarantine or limiting travel then, how would it mass spread from country to country without hosts with passports, are we saying it’s all the fault of illegal immigrants, why not throw some children overboard as well while we’re at it, oh wait

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:08:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839566
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

sorry for being late to the party but since CHINA is basically unstoppable in the Asia-Pacific region supposedly at the moment, why is there even talk of pushing back

German navy chief resigns after drawing criticism for proposing that COVID-19 strategy could apply equally to Russian aggression

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/german-navy-chief-steps-down-vladimir-putin-comments/100775958

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:11:24
From: transition
ID: 1839567
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

Spiny Norman said:

The world now has a new COVID-19 vaccine in its arsenal, and at a fraction of the cost per dose.

Two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, the world has seen over 314 million infections and over 5.5 million deaths worldwide. Approximately 60% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. But there is still a glaring and alarming gap in global access to these vaccines. As a virologist who has followed this pandemic closely, I contend that this vaccine inequity should be of grave concern to everyone.

If the world has learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that viruses do not need a passport. And yet approximately 77% of people in high- and upper-middle-income countries have received at least one dose of the vaccine – and only 10% in low-income countries. Wealthy countries are giving boosters, and even fourth doses, while first and second doses are not available to many worldwide.

But there is hope that a new vaccine called CORBEVAX will help close this vaccination gap.

theconversation.com/corbevax-a-new-patent-free-covid-19-vaccine-could-be-a-pandemic-game-changer-globally-174672

…the world has learned….……..that viruses do not need a passport……sounds so appealing it’s probably misleading a couple times if I looked harder

a new vaccine would be good, one that works better, better on all covid types, including omicron, save being stabbed in the arm so often, perhaps forever, because right this moment the covid endemicists are releasing the virus, a virus that came from endemicists probably, and possibly a large population of mice helped

which is all a bit monty python really

for values of misleading approaching outright lie surely, we mean what was the go about quarantine or limiting travel then, how would it mass spread from country to country without hosts with passports, are we saying it’s all the fault of illegal immigrants, why not throw some children overboard as well while we’re at it, oh wait

oh I got stuck on the world, wondered what that was, I wouldn’t go so far as to say some publications are globalist propaganda, are into border smashing, that borders and representative governments that administer their territories are inconvenient in any way, I wouldn’t say that, nor would I say the old idea of an ideological state apparatus, that there are ideological apparatus, I wouldn’t ask what that becomes scaled up to a global level, what a state might be in that context, how it might be viewed

the great appeal to the internationally mobile with fluid loyalties

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:28:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839572
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.

In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.

The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.

The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.

In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”

It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.

Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.

LOL.

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:28:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839574
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:


Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.

In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.

The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.

The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.

In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”

It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.

Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.

LOL.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/covid-news-live-hundreds-of-cases-of-new-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-england-as-hotspots-revealed/ar-AASZDu5

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Date: 23/01/2022 11:46:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839579
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

Nicola Sturgeon referred to watchdog for ‘seriously twisting’ Covid stats
09:22 , Liam James
Nicola Sturgeon has been reported to the statistics watchdog on a claim that she “seriously twisted” coronavirus figures.

In Scottish parliament, Ms Sturgeon referred to Office for National Statistics (ONS) data to say England’s infection rate was “over 20 per cent higher” than Scotland’s.

The ONS figures show 5.4 per cent of people in England are infected compared to 4.4 per cent in Scotland.

The English figure can be calculated to be 21.8 per cent higher than Scotland, but the Scottish Liberal Democrats have taken umbrage at the claim because there is just a 0.98 percentage points difference between the two numbers.

In a letter to UK Statistics Authority chair Sir David Norgrove, Lib Dem MSP Willie Rennie wrote: “Public confidence in these statistics must not be put at risk. There must be no bias, spin or manipulation. However, I am concerned that these statistics may have been seriously twisted.”

It is the second time in recent weeks that a senior Scottish government figure has been reported to the watchdog.

Labour previously accused John Swinney, the deputy first minister, of misrepresenting the impact of coronavirus restrictions by suggesting Scotland had a lower Covid rate than England because it had more restrictions.

LOL.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/covid-news-live-hundreds-of-cases-of-new-omicron-sub-variant-found-in-england-as-hotspots-revealed/ar-AASZDu5

¿ so who’s correct ?

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:05:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839700
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:07:42
From: party_pants
ID: 1839702
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:


Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.

I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:14:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839705
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:


roughbarked said:

Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.

I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.

This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:17:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1839706
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes, as case numbers jump and COVID breach occurs at major hospital

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/wa-records-24-new-covid-cases-but-all-linked-to-existing/100776210

As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.

I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.

This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.

How far do you have to walk?

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:21:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839707
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

As long as we hold it off until most people have had their third jab.

I’m booked in for my third on 4 Feb. Just got to hold out for another 2 weeks or so.

This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.

How far do you have to walk?

About 3-4km round trip.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:24:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839708
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

This Tuesday for me, 2:15. Going to be another hot day so I’ll see if the Ross people can give me a lift.

How far do you have to walk?

About 3-4km round trip.

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:28:01
From: Tamb
ID: 1839709
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

How far do you have to walk?

About 3-4km round trip.

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.


Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:29:32
From: sibeen
ID: 1839710
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

About 3-4km round trip.

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.


Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

Or a bicycle?

runs

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:30:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839711
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

About 3-4km round trip.

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.


Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

Maybe one day. But I do need to keep some exercise going.

It’s just that a long walk to the clinic in summer heat, and then having to wear a mask and wait for vaccination while dripping with sweat (and then walk back) is not likely to be very pleasant.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:31:18
From: Tamb
ID: 1839712
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.


Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

Or a bicycle?

runs


Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:32:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839713
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:


sibeen said:

Tamb said:

Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

Or a bicycle?

runs


Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.

They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:35:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839714
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Or a bicycle?

runs


Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.

They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.

E-scooters and Tasmanian Road Rules

New rules for personal mobility devices (PMDs) commenced on 1 December 2021 to allow PMDs on footpaths, shared paths, bicycle paths and some roads in Tasmania.

https://www.hobartcity.com.au/City-services/Transport-and-traffic-management/E-scooters

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:35:29
From: Tamb
ID: 1839715
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Tamb said:

sibeen said:

Or a bicycle?

runs


Soon e-scooters will be legal in Tas.

They’re already in use. There are e-scooter hire-&-ride companies operating in Hobart.


Yes. The new laws allow more freedom e.g. riding on the road.

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Date: 23/01/2022 16:46:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839717
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:

Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes,

quick pull down the borders

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Date: 23/01/2022 17:04:27
From: Speedy
ID: 1839720
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

This is what the NSW has sent to parents of school students this afternoon:

Testing

Before the start of term 1
• All staff and students are asked to take a rapid antigen test and get a negative result before attending school at the start of term 1. Your school will provide advice on when tests should be taken.
• Rapid antigen tests will be provided to all staff and students through their schools. Schools will inform parents on how these kits can be collected.

At the start of term 1

• For the first 4 weeks, students and staff should take a rapid antigen test twice a week on the morning before attending school. Test kits will continue to be supplied by schools.
Students who are household close contacts must isolate at home for 7 days.

At least we now know we know where all those RATs that were withdrawn from sale have gone to.

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Date: 23/01/2022 17:16:13
From: Speedy
ID: 1839723
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.

On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.

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Date: 23/01/2022 17:27:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1839730
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Speedy said:


Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.

On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.

Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.

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Date: 23/01/2022 17:57:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839746
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Omicron can’t be ‘eliminated’ in WA, government concedes,

quick pull down the borders

New Zealand to impose tougher restrictions after Omicron community spread, Jacinda Ardern cancels wedding


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/new-zealand-to-impose-restrictions-after-omicron-spread/100776154

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:02:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839748
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

in breaking news, B.1.1.529 starts off milder because it suppresses immune response

leading to impaired defences

imagine being unable to defend against virus as well, and virus getting big, and killing you more later

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:03:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1839749
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed New Zealand will move to the red traffic light setting at midnight tonight.

Nine Covid cases in Motueka are confirmed to have the Omicron variant, prompting the decision, Ardern said.

They attended a wedding in Auckland along with a funeral, an amusement park and the Sky Tower on the weekend of January 15 and 16. These events had well over 100 people.

Omicron is now circulating in Auckland and possibly the Nelson area, if not further, Ardern said.

The Government will be taking a three-stage approach to the point where New Zealand sees 1000 cases a day, Ardern said.

Stage one will be the familiar stamp it out approach, with contact tracing and testing, including rapid antigen tests. Stage two will be a transition stage. The third stage will see changes to contact tracing, and further details on the three stages will be released at a later date, Ardern said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-nz-moves-to-red-light-tonight-pm-jacinda-ardern-confirms-nine-cases-with-variant/FPYXEZCL3IS2R3I5RPGAI4IFOA/

They’re fucked.

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:22:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839754
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed New Zealand will move to the red traffic light setting at midnight tonight.

Nine Covid cases in Motueka are confirmed to have the Omicron variant, prompting the decision, Ardern said.

They attended a wedding in Auckland along with a funeral, an amusement park and the Sky Tower on the weekend of January 15 and 16. These events had well over 100 people.

Omicron is now circulating in Auckland and possibly the Nelson area, if not further, Ardern said.

The Government will be taking a three-stage approach to the point where New Zealand sees 1000 cases a day, Ardern said.

Stage one will be the familiar stamp it out approach, with contact tracing and testing, including rapid antigen tests. Stage two will be a transition stage. The third stage will see changes to contact tracing, and further details on the three stages will be released at a later date, Ardern said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-nz-moves-to-red-light-tonight-pm-jacinda-ardern-confirms-nine-cases-with-variant/FPYXEZCL3IS2R3I5RPGAI4IFOA/

They’re fucked.

we’re next.

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:34:12
From: Michael V
ID: 1839762
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Speedy said:

Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.

On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.

Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.

+1

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:34:13
From: Michael V
ID: 1839763
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Speedy said:

Speedy Jnr ate lunch with someone indoors at work on Thursday. That same afternoon, that person felt sick and later tested positive. SJ found out on Friday after work. The guidelines on this are not very clear, as he is not considered a close contact, but he did have a booster booked for Saturday, so I called the govt immunisation hotline for advice. They didn’t really know what to do, but told me that he should just do a RAT and if it’s negative he can get his jab. AFAICT, his risk is considered ‘moderate’.

On researching this further, it’s unlikely that he could have tested positive within 48 hours on a RAT, but he did one anyway before leaving to get his booster, then went to have a PCR on the way home, which was also negative. He has been mostly isolating in his room since, and has worn a mask when he uses other areas of the house. He is feeling unwell today from what I hope is the booster, and will work tomorrow and the next day, then have another PCR on Tuesday afternoon (day 5) and wait for his results on Wednesday which is a public holiday. Yesterday’s PCR results took only 6 hours, so this plan should work well. If he’s negative, I think that will be sufficient to not isolate / wear a mask at home.

Good luck to Speedy Jnr and the Speedy household.

+1

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Date: 23/01/2022 18:54:52
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1839770
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Actually probably 4km. About 45 minutes of walking in total.


Have you considered getting a small motor scooter?

Maybe one day. But I do need to keep some exercise going.

It’s just that a long walk to the clinic in summer heat, and then having to wear a mask and wait for vaccination while dripping with sweat (and then walk back) is not likely to be very pleasant.

Ditch the tuxedo and wear some shorts.

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Date: 23/01/2022 19:28:11
From: buffy
ID: 1839793
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

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Date: 23/01/2022 19:36:49
From: Woodie
ID: 1839794
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

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Date: 23/01/2022 19:40:56
From: buffy
ID: 1839797
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

They have particular things they count. It’s the big stuff (cardiovascular, diabetes etc)..but I’ve closed the links and I’m going to watch When Big Things Go Wrong and some more WWK.

:)

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Date: 23/01/2022 19:45:22
From: Speedy
ID: 1839798
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

An older article, but this list is alarming.

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm?fbclid=IwAR0nQZooE81i5BDXO2h8rgGHhzjnDz7zID1EulJRKXUHqAj-Pu4XrJkwfeI

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Date: 23/01/2022 19:57:51
From: transition
ID: 1839800
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

pre-existing vulnerability to intentionalized endemic covid

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Date: 23/01/2022 20:11:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839804
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

pre-existing vulnerability to intentionalized endemic covid

anything that needs to be culled

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Date: 23/01/2022 20:17:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1839806
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

Walking, talking, breathing, stuff like that.

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Date: 23/01/2022 21:37:06
From: buffy
ID: 1839834
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

If that was a serious question:

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Date: 23/01/2022 22:15:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839836
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:

Woodie said:

buffy said:

There has been mention here of people with pre-existing conditions. In England and Wales, the figures are published. You have to go to this link below and then follow the link in the third sentence and pick out the Xcel that you want.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

(It’s about 17% of deaths are people with no pre-existing condition)

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

If that was a serious question:


accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:23:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839846
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others

here are some others who should be helpful for youse

https://twitter.com/MonkEmma/status/1484562988929634311

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:42:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839847
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice

*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:52:10
From: sibeen
ID: 1839848
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice

*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true

What country?

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:54:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839849
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice

*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true

What country?

Canada they reckon

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:55:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839850
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Laugh Out Loud

https://towardszero.nsw.gov.au/campaigns

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Date: 24/01/2022 00:58:02
From: sibeen
ID: 1839851
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

The Real Irony Here Is That (1R,4S,5'S,6R,6'R,8R,10E,12S,13S,14E,16E,20R,21R,24S)-6'-[(2S)-butan-2-yl]-21,24-dihydroxy-12-[(2R,4S,5S,6S)-5-[(2S,4S,5S,6S)-5-hydroxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-4-methoxy-6-methyloxan-2-yl]oxy-5',11,13,22-tetramethylspiro[3,7,19-trioxatetracyclo[15.6.1.14,8.020,24]pentacosa-10,14,16,22-tetraene-6,2'-oxane]-2-one* Will Actually Cure Lice

*: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ivermectin#section=IUPAC-Name&fullscreen=true

What country?

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

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Date: 24/01/2022 01:15:56
From: transition
ID: 1839854
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

What country?

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

makes you consult your crystal ball

places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?

will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?

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Date: 24/01/2022 01:18:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839855
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

What country?

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

and this is what impresses us about many of your contemporaries here, the complete failure to source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant

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Date: 24/01/2022 01:21:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839856
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

makes you consult your crystal ball

places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?

will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?

so we had a thought just now

every time we see stuff like previously posted, we say, yeah here we are in Australia, could be worse, could be like elsewhere

but now we’re thinking, best not to say such things

seems despite the benefit of being half phase behind the other places, all we get here is just trying to be like elsewhere

should be worse, should be like elsewhere

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Date: 24/01/2022 01:49:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839857
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid

meanwhile

ahahahahaha look at CHINA how dare they screen for infection and keep visiting athletes safe what idiots
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/beijing-district-orders-mass-virus-testing-ahead-of-olympics/100776764

Sarah has worked as a teacher for decades and loves her job but this year something has shifted — she is anxious about returning to the classroom in 2022. “Being a primary school teacher is all about being a close contact, down on the ground with the little ones in a circle on the floor, being right there. It’s an essential part of the teaching process,” she says. “It is about showing your face, making a child know ‘I’m looking at you, I’m talking to you, I am making you feel as if I am really engaging with your learning’.” It’s not a scenario that responds well to masks and social distancing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-10/school-omicron-vaccine-5-11-ventilation-children-safe-teacher/100742102

oh wait

Japan is the highest-performing OECD country, with average PISA scores of 529,
https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/education/

no wonder they’re good, their top rated performance must be because Japan only has secondary schools, no primary schools in ASIA, that’s why they’re able to wear masks as well


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-28/japanese-students-wear-face-masks/12009794?nw=0




https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/08/28/national/schools-japan-coronavirus/

it’s child abuse is what it is, fucking daring to protect their offspring from infectious diseases, fucking daring to educate them well

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Date: 24/01/2022 02:05:46
From: transition
ID: 1839858
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

sibeen said:

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

makes you consult your crystal ball

places hands over crystal ball asks will australia emulate other liberal countries?

will I hear australian leaders use the expression “other parts of the world”, seducing us with comparisons on the road to endemic covid, is it social policy even before australians get to have a say?

so we had a thought just now

every time we see stuff like previously posted, we say, yeah here we are in Australia, could be worse, could be like elsewhere

but now we’re thinking, best not to say such things

seems despite the benefit of being half phase behind the other places, all we get here is just trying to be like elsewhere

should be worse, should be like elsewhere

between the more liberal countries there’s fairly free flow of achievers, success, ambition, intelligence, education, money, investment, travel, perhaps generalize it opportunity, people can actualize their ambition, explore the opportunities the world has to offer

quite a force toward cultural similarity (if you will) between UK, US and Australia for example, great part of it is because they are multicultural, or more multi-ethnic tolerant probably nearer the reality, not sure the melting pot is really multi cultural, mostly everything is about money and ambition related, but whatever, mostly works except where and of that it doesn’t

covid was probably beatable, but if you add all the liberties up, involving swapping air, people traveling in from any other country need background covid to land into, save quarantine, there’s a lot of bidirectional traffic

being highly contagious invisible replicator, those with more mobile loyalties went with it’s better that it’s everywhere rather than trying to get people everywhere to eliminate it, and there’s no question there’s been a tsunami of propaganda to that end

endemic covid is analogous in some ways to pollution from (arguably unnecessary) travel on and around the planet, and it is in-no-small-part that travel that ensures endemic covid

covid can be seen as air pollution

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Date: 24/01/2022 06:11:46
From: buffy
ID: 1839861
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


buffy said:

Woodie said:

What is considered a pre-existing condition? Bunions? A mild case of the dropsy?

If that was a serious question:


accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.

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Date: 24/01/2022 06:13:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839862
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

If that was a serious question:


accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.

Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

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Date: 24/01/2022 06:33:22
From: buffy
ID: 1839863
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


SCIENCE said:

sibeen said:

What country?

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.

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Date: 24/01/2022 06:34:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1839864
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

Canada they reckon

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.

This

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Date: 24/01/2022 10:55:35
From: dv
ID: 1839934
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:00:22
From: transition
ID: 1839937
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.

they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:00:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839938
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

accidental falls and other medical care and symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions

Laugh The Fuck Out Loud

Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.

Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:01:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839939
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

sibeen said:

And that is what annoys me about many of your posts…the complete lack of context.

They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.

This

Obviously none of you source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant¡

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:02:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839940
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

dv said:

It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.

they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program

To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:04:04
From: dv
ID: 1839942
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

dv said:

It seems the McGowan government is just about ready to give up on containing Omicron.

they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program

To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿

Well yeah.

I think they are a bit pessimistic. There are still only about 90 active cases in WA.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:05:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1839943
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

They are completely random. And so frequently sourced from social media – where there is no attribution – as to be worthless in most cases.

This

Obviously none of you source check or use the same effort to dig up evidence instead of casting personal attacks, despite supposedly being of high intelligence andor propensity to Do Your Own Research™, when the important context (COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022) is a given and the demanded context is minimally relevant¡

Yep, when it is say a twitter grab I look up the account and search for that particular tweet. pretty simple most of the time.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:17:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839950
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

they wouldn’t have a few homegrown endemic covid soft terrorists by now would they, loyalties aligned with it’s inevitable, not like the ideological apparatus hasn’t been busy with the program

To be fair, did they even start on containing Omicron ¿

Well yeah.

I think they are a bit pessimistic. There are still only about 90 active cases in WA.

In that case, best of luck. There’s still that (this time, fairly well informed) option the USSA has taken, wide and free distribution of N95 masks.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:23:01
From: Woodie
ID: 1839953
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Obviously you have not worked with the elderly. Accidental falls are often deadly. Break hip in the frail elderly, prognosis very poor.

Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

……. and green bottles.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:27:44
From: transition
ID: 1839957
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

……. and green bottles.

fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program

who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:28:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839958
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

……. and green bottles.

Tursiops Are People Too ¡

for context, this contribution has been made in response to the following sequence

roughbarked: Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

SCIENCE: Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

Woodie: ……. and green bottles.

in a thread entitled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022”

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:29:48
From: dv
ID: 1839959
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

……. and green bottles.

Tursiops Are People Too ¡

for context, this contribution has been made in response to the following sequence

roughbarked: Look at all the broken bits I have had in the recent times.

SCIENCE: Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

Woodie: ……. and green bottles.

in a thread entitled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022”

I mean you could have just given two words, “from Canada”

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:30:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839960
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

Woodie said:

SCIENCE said:

Obviously elderly are the only people who accidentally fall.

……. and green bottles.

fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program

who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own

anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others

here are some others who should be helpful for youse

https://twitter.com/MonkEmma/status/1484562988929634311

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:35:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839965
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:

I mean you could have just given two words, “from Canada”

We could have and we did once it became apparent that there were readers who were interested in the location of the purported matter.

Honestly did large numbers of readers here consider that the important aspect of the claim was that it was from Canada, rather than simply that in the context of COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022, there has apparently been a school somewhere in the English-speaking world which requires notification of actual Mild™ ivermectin-treatable infectious disease but yet prohibits notification of COVID-19¿

We mean, can everyone else please go back over the following thread and provide adequate context to each and every contribution¿

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15527/

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:41:04
From: dv
ID: 1839970
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:47:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1839975
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.


Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:47:44
From: Michael V
ID: 1839976
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.


Heck!

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:48:40
From: dv
ID: 1839977
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.


Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?

I don’t understand

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:52:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839978
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:

Heck!

oh c’m‘on it’s not all bad news

as y’all know we’re usually inclined to be far more cautious than the reporting or the politicking like to push, but this following hesitancy to admit that a peak is a peak surprises even us

Tasmanian health authorities say it is too early to tell whether the state’s COVID wave has peaked, even as daily case figures continue to trend down.

CONTEXT: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/tas-covid-numbers-mon-24/100776906 This post was made in a thread titled “COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022” and occurs against a background in which the author is usually inclined to be far more cautious than the reporting or the politicking like to push.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:54:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1839979
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.


Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?

I don’t understand

I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.

I’m wondering that too.

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Date: 24/01/2022 11:56:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839980
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Surly they must have a confirmed excess deaths graph somewhere?

I don’t understand

I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.

I’m wondering that too.

Our question for you is simpler: what is the exact number of baseline deaths estimated for the times in question¿

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:03:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1839982
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

Our question for you is

how are the plague states planning to enforce their back-to-school after-the-fact testing regimes, and

will the requirements slash enforcement be more rigorous than the requirements slash enforcement of actual preventative measures such as wearing N95+ masks¿

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:19:31
From: dv
ID: 1839985
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I don’t understand

I’m guessing PWM is wondering why the “excess deaths” is an estimate, with a wide band of possible values.

I’m wondering that too.

Excess deaths is an estimate. The number of deaths changes from year to year in each area. We don’t actually know how many people would have died in the UK in 2020 or 2021 without Covid, we can only estimate it from previous trends. Additionally, data from many countries is incomplete, many countries do not publish regular mortality figures, so estimated of global deaths have to include projections.

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:20:43
From: transition
ID: 1839986
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


dv said:

Going by excess deaths, the Covid-19 related death count is likely to be around 20 million, rather than the 5 million confirmed.


Heck!

yeah product of modern travel, largely, that it’s been unstoppable, further little chance of it fading away with the numbers of infections, massive host base to propel mutations/evolution

the answer apparently is to ‘open up’, though exactly what is being opened up one could conjecture is no trivial uncertainty

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:22:07
From: buffy
ID: 1839987
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________

Estimated excess mortality from The Economist

Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.

The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.

Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.

How should we think about these estimates?

This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.

We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.

________________________________

REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:50:04
From: transition
ID: 1839989
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

Woodie said:

……. and green bottles.

fairly clearly the daily barrage of statistics and reference to preexisting vulnerabilities serves to desensitize (some, perhaps many) people to the causalities of endemic covid, the program

who’s likely to study the desensitization, their own

anyway since we’re always happy to leave the being helpful to others

here are some others who should be helpful for youse

https://twitter.com/MonkEmma/status/1484562988929634311

casualties I meant, not causalities, probably you read it right anyway, you see spell check is not always your friend, gives me an okay on entirely the wrong word

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:50:06
From: sibeen
ID: 1839990
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:53:10
From: dv
ID: 1839991
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.

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Date: 24/01/2022 12:55:21
From: Woodie
ID: 1839992
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Well done Beeny Boy. As they say, there are lies, damn lies, but this time, I think you have found a statistic.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:05:29
From: dv
ID: 1839993
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:

Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.


The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:10:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1839994
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


dv said:

Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.


The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.

I’d like to see confirmed excess deaths (if any) compared to confirmed covid deaths.
Over.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:11:49
From: dv
ID: 1839995
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Going back to the Doherty modelling … back in August this was published.


This level of vaccination will make it easier to live with the virus, as we do with other viruses such as the flu. However, it won’t be possible to maintain a situation where there are no cases at all. The focus will shift to keeping the number of people going to hospital and dying at a minimum.

In an average year of influenza, we would roughly have 600 deaths and 200,000 cases in Australia. Any death is a tragedy, but our health system can cope with this. In the COVID-19 modelling, opening up at 70% vaccine coverage of the adult population with partial public health measures, we predict 385,983 symptomatic cases and 1,457 deaths over six months. With optimal public health measures (and no lockdowns), this can be significantly reduced to 2,737 infections and 13 deaths.

I realise that Omicron has changed the equation a lot but damn. Currently pegging along at 400 deaths a week, we’ll probably beat that 1457 in month.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:12:41
From: dv
ID: 1839996
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

dv said:

Australia and NZ are two countries with a “Death deficit” in the Covid era (about 9000 and 2000 respectively), presumably due to fewer overall deaths from infectious diseases.


The USA, which does publish regular mortality data at state and federal levels, appears to have a 1.2 million excess mortality count, perhaps 40% higher than the confirmed Covid death count.

I’d like to see confirmed excess deaths (if any) compared to confirmed covid deaths.
Over.

As buffy and I covered earlier, there’s no such thing as confirmed excess deaths, it is necessarily an estimate. I can’t quite tell whether you are making a joke.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:12:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1839997
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________

Estimated excess mortality from The Economist

Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.

The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.

Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.

How should we think about these estimates?

This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.

We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.

________________________________

REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021

I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:26:47
From: buffy
ID: 1840001
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

And the explanation that goes with that graph is (from our world in data page):
___________________________________________________

Estimated excess mortality from The Economist

Many countries have not reported any data on all-cause mortality during the pandemic. If we want to understand the total impact of the pandemic on deaths in those countries, as well as globally, we must find a way to estimate this death toll.

The Economist built a machine-learning model to estimate the number of excess deaths during the pandemic for 223 countries & regions.19 From these country-level estimates they calculate a global figure.

Globally, the model estimates that the total number of excess deaths is two to four times higher than the reported number of confirmed deaths due to COVID-19. You can explore the data for any country or region by clicking “Change country” on the chart.

How should we think about these estimates?

This work by The Economist is currently the most comprehensive and rigorous attempt to understand how mortality has changed during the pandemic at the global level. But these estimates come with a great deal of uncertainty given the large amount of data that is missing and the known shortcomings even for data that is available.

We can think of them as our best, educated — but still ballpark — estimates. Some of the specific figures are highly uncertain, as the large uncertainty intervals show. But the overall conclusion remains clear: in many countries and globally, the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19 is far below the pandemic’s full death toll.

________________________________

REF: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Looking at that graph, it seems to be saying that on the model used, excess deaths in the period may be more than can be accounted for by COVID19. So what is causing the excess deaths? The Australian figures are here, if anyone is interested but they only go to October 2021 at the moment:

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-oct-2021

I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.

And there are a lot of them in what is known as the post war baby boom…oh…

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Date: 24/01/2022 13:31:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840003
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I blame the boomers, who have recently started dying in much greater numbers, just because they are getting old.

And there are a lot of them in what is known as the post war baby boom…oh…

Yeah, quite a coincidence that :)

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Date: 24/01/2022 14:04:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1840013
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

“Victorian education minister ‘will never take health advice from Josh Frydenberg’.

Victorian Education Minister James Merlino has rejected comments from Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who earlier today said rapid antigen tests should be used for vulnerable cohorts, rather than for everyday screening.

“I’ll never take public health advice from Josh Frydenberg or anyone else from the federal government,” Mr Merlino said.

“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””

_________________________________________________________________________________________

:)
_________________________________________________________________________________________

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/covid-live-blog-isolation-vaccination-case-numbers-rat-tests/100776322

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Date: 24/01/2022 14:38:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1840019
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern cancels her wedding amid new COVID-19 rules

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s wedding, due for next weekend, won’t be proceeding due to community spread of the COVID-19 variant Omicron.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-pm-jacinda-ardern-cancels-her-wedding-amid-new-covid-19-restrictions/db24b2c7-5c17-4d02-8d3c-8f20fc0c0636

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Date: 24/01/2022 17:09:24
From: dv
ID: 1840099
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

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Date: 24/01/2022 17:14:01
From: transition
ID: 1840101
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

you got the new air pollution too

few in NSW be opening a new tube of slippery hearing that good news, you be part of the journey to endemic covid, covid egalitarianism, you’ve been deprived a necessary experience until this point

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:17:30
From: Michael V
ID: 1840113
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

Uh-oh.

Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:21:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840116
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

dv said:

There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

you got the new air pollution too

few in NSW be opening a new tube of slippery hearing that good news, you be part of the journey to endemic covid, covid egalitarianism, you’ve been deprived a necessary experience until this point

doesn’t it not even count as casual contact if you’ve been hanging with a positively infectious case and have appropriate PPE videre licet N95+ mask

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:24:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 1840118
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Mrs rb says she went to the post office theis morning and has had a warning already.

Another house in the village down with it.
2,150 cases in town

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:31:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840120
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:


Mrs rb says she went to the post office theis morning and has had a warning already.

Another house in the village down with it.
2,150 cases in town

village of the damned.

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:42:56
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1840123
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


dv said:

There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

Uh-oh.

Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.

I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:48:08
From: transition
ID: 1840125
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

Uh-oh.

Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.

I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

“Has the program changed recently?

Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”

what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:51:17
From: buffy
ID: 1840127
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Uh-oh.

Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.

I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

“Has the program changed recently?

Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”

what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular

That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:51:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840128
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:

“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””

Pity we missed the first part where the N95+ masking would prevent the chain of transmission from being started in the first place.

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Date: 24/01/2022 18:55:34
From: Michael V
ID: 1840130
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

There are 130 exposure sites listed for Perth now including our local IGA

Uh-oh.

Qld stopped listing exposure sites from 1 January. I’m not happy about that.

I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

Sad…

:(

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Date: 24/01/2022 19:03:04
From: transition
ID: 1840137
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


transition said:

Spiny Norman said:

I agree, but I can understand why – It’s almost pointless as it’s bloody everywhere now.
Take a look at the wastewater treatment plant sampling page. Read the paragraph under the list of sites.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

“Has the program changed recently?

Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”

what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular

That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.

I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed

I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got

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Date: 24/01/2022 19:03:41
From: buffy
ID: 1840139
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


buffy said:

transition said:

“Has the program changed recently?

Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers”

what a gem that is, or wrote as I thought it what a fucken gem that is, in my native working class vernacular

That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.

I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed

I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got

What?

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Date: 24/01/2022 19:04:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840140
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


transition said:

buffy said:

That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.

I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed

I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got

What?

ahahahahahahaha

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Date: 24/01/2022 19:05:32
From: transition
ID: 1840141
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


transition said:

buffy said:

That just means they are now assuming any testing at those sites will be positive. It is not sinister.

I didn’t think that sinister, whatever your definition of sinister, or no you were referring to mine weren’t you, some assumption they are the same, or similar enough that sameness might be assumed

I gather of the testing that some measure of prevalence of infection might also be got

What?

make it easy for you, just take the first five words I didn’t think that sinister

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Date: 24/01/2022 23:28:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840255
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

not sure from which country but this good advice is posted in a COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022 thread

presumably that implies that the swab is testing for some kind of COVID but you can never be sure

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Date: 24/01/2022 23:58:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840277
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

scratch heads

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/china-lifts-xi-an-covid-lockdown-before-winter-olympics/100778816

China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:04:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1840280
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


scratch heads

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/china-lifts-xi-an-covid-lockdown-before-winter-olympics/100778816

China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.

I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:10:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840282
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

scratch heads

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/china-lifts-xi-an-covid-lockdown-before-winter-olympics/100778816

China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.

I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.

seems plausible

sadly it’d still be less than Australia

on the other hand the death rates are curious as well

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:11:21
From: party_pants
ID: 1840283
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

scratch heads

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/china-lifts-xi-an-covid-lockdown-before-winter-olympics/100778816

China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.

I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.

Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352

The report was published by The Economist

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:12:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840284
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/93258-2/

Backed by SCIENCE*: Here’s How We Can Eliminate COVID-19

Clearly, the backbone of the response needs to be effective, equitable and acceptable vaccination regimens. Work will need to be done to optimise vaccine effectiveness and to overcome major barriers to distribution, including supply, cost and acceptance. It is worth noting that humanity lived with smallpox for centuries. Only a concerted global effort to vaccinate the world resulted in smallpox eradication and that took 20 years to achieve.

Some slippages in either the effectiveness of vaccination (such as the level of neutralising antibodies, population coverage due to refusal to accept the vaccine, etc) can probably be accommodated by implementation of additional measures to reduce airborne transmission. These measures include universal use of well-fitted N95 masks indoors and in close-contact outdoor environments, effective ventilation and filtration of indoor environments, and effective implementation of testing, tracing, isolation and quarantine (TTIQ) procedures using sophisticated AI-enabled tools. A tragic consequence of the sluggishness of national and international health authorities in accepting the singular importance of airborne transmission of the virus is that, two years into the pandemic, these simple and effective non-pharmaceutical interventions, and other actions to promote safe indoor air, still have not been universally adopted.

*: disclaimer actually we have not personally contributed to this article

also our opinion is that the relative importance of vaccination and masks is inverted

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:23:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840285
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

scratch heads

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-24/china-lifts-xi-an-covid-lockdown-before-winter-olympics/100778816

China reported just 18 new cases of local infection on Monday, including six in Beijing, where millions of people have been tested in recent days.

I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.

Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352

The report was published by The Economist

not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)

with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic

that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)

*: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-sydney-suburbs-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-omicron-wave-20220120-p59pzh.html

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:30:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840291
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Our question for you is

how are the plague states planning to enforce their back-to-school after-the-fact testing regimes, and

will the requirements slash enforcement be more rigorous than the requirements slash enforcement of actual preventative measures such as wearing N95+ masks¿

“The clear advice from our public health experts and in the modelling from is that this kind of surveillance testing twice a week in primary schools, secondary schools, five times a week in a specialist school settings — this kind of universal surveillance testing was able identify more people, more kids with COVID, it will actually drive down the numbers you get into it early, you’re stopping the chain of transmission.””

Pity we missed the first part where the N95+ masking would prevent the chain of transmission from being started in the first place.



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Date: 25/01/2022 00:34:08
From: dv
ID: 1840296
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


party_pants said:

party_pants said:

I saw report the other day, that someone has sat down and done some modelling on the Chinese Covid numbers, and reckons they have had at least 1.7 million cases. Whereas China are claiming only 4 or 5 thousand.

Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352

The report was published by The Economist

not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)

with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic

that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)

*: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-sydney-suburbs-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-omicron-wave-20220120-p59pzh.html

JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.

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Date: 25/01/2022 00:52:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840300
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352

The report was published by The Economist

not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)

with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic

that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)

*: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-sydney-suburbs-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-omicron-wave-20220120-p59pzh.html

JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.

uh how did they prevent the 900000 other deaths

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Date: 25/01/2022 01:22:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1840312
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.

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Date: 25/01/2022 01:55:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840314
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:

The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.

which geopolitical jurisdiction

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Date: 25/01/2022 02:03:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840315
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

This otherwise hilarious joke fails because no influencers ever compared COVID-19 to other coronaviruses, and anyway the people who in the past needed to be on ECMO for H1N1 influenza had preexisting conditions like pregnancy so they should have just gone and died instead.


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Date: 25/01/2022 02:04:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 1840316
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.

which geopolitical jurisdiction

Global.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-25/who-head-says-dangerous-to-assume-pandemic-is-nearing-end/100778990

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Date: 25/01/2022 02:52:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1840320
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

roughbarked said:


The head of the World Health Organization says it would be dangerous to assume the highly transmissable Omicron would be the last variant to emerge and that the world was in the “end game” of the pandemic.

First reported to the World Health Organization 2 months ago and arrived in Australia a little over a month ago. Seems a lot longer. It will be most interesting to see what happens if another variant makes it appearance, as we thought Delta was on the way out too.

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Date: 25/01/2022 03:01:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840321
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022


shopped

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Date: 25/01/2022 03:20:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1840322
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Sarah Palin has tested positive for the coronavirus – on the first morning of her defamation trial against the New York Times.

Jed Rakoff, the US federal judge presiding over the case in Manhattan, announced the test result on Monday.

“She is of course unvaccinated,” the judge said, referring to the former Alaska governor, 2008 Republican vice-presidential pick and conservative political star.

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Date: 25/01/2022 06:29:30
From: transition
ID: 1840323
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


…/cut by me transition/….

not sure if that’s legit

should help raise the threshold of what’s a subclinical or otherwise irrelevant infection in the underfinder paradise, who wants to endure sustained inconveniences, plenty scope in there for cryptic transmission to stay cryptic

it might all seem oppressive for a while, people might feel repressed, but that will be the force to shed it all eventually, to fear covid no more

a time will come when the immunization through talking normalizes, masklessness, breathing words on each other, swapping air, everyone will be happy dispensers of what emerged to be an immunological necessity, regular exposure between jabs, and possibly plenty jabs too

eventually a covid will evolve that is so contagious and fortuitously benign it will probably seed clouds and alter the albedo of the planet favorably, and likely turn a century of global warming around

some might dismiss that as mad optimism

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Date: 25/01/2022 08:37:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1840331
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

A LOT of Australian people had flu-like symptoms in early Jan 2022.

A friend of ours who was hospitalised with Covid in mid December is now back in hospital with it.

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Date: 25/01/2022 08:39:37
From: Michael V
ID: 1840333
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

mollwollfumble said:


A LOT of Australian people had flu-like symptoms in early Jan 2022.

A friend of ours who was hospitalised with Covid in mid December is now back in hospital with it.


A reinfection?

Or poor recovery?

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Date: 25/01/2022 08:50:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1840335
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Sorry, that is Covid deaths, not cases. 1.7 million deaths in China.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijing-is-intentionally-underreporting-chinas-covid-death-rate-part-1/?sh=58df94eb4352

The report was published by The Economist

not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)

with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic

that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)

*: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-sydney-suburbs-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-omicron-wave-20220120-p59pzh.html

JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.

Ouch!

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:37:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1840366
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:41:07
From: Michael V
ID: 1840368
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

Is he also a medical expert (or a scientist with appropriate expertise)?

If not I choose not to be influenced by such nonsense.

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:44:25
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1840370
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:50:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1840371
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Eric Claptrap, more like.

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:52:02
From: sibeen
ID: 1840373
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

The Cream isn’t rising to the top.

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:53:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1840374
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:58:16
From: Michael V
ID: 1840382
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Divine Angel said:



Ha!

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:58:38
From: Michael V
ID: 1840383
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

The Cream isn’t rising to the top.

Ha!

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Date: 25/01/2022 11:59:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1840385
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

Eric Clapton is rather good with a guitar.

Other than that, he’s a dill.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:00:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840386
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come

Is Claptout really an “influencer”

Other when playing his guitar, I thought he was widely recognised as being a bit of an arsehole.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:01:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840389
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come


:)

Well remembered :)

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:02:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1840390
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

I wonder if Clapton has considered the other side of the coin: that it’s the deniers that have fallen prey to ‘mass formation hypnosis’?

Goodness knows, they give every indication of not being the sharpest tools in the shed.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:03:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1840392
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come


Eric or Richard?

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:05:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840396
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

captain_spalding said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come


Eric or Richard?

Clapton the God was definitely Eric.

Around where I grew up anyway.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:16:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1840401
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

captain_spalding said:


sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

BREAKING: Leading pop idol and influencer calls out vaccination tragics.

“Eric Clapton believes the theory that people who opted to get vaccinated against COVID-19 fell for “mass formation hypnosis”.”

….more to come


Eric or Richard?

The girls on the avenue would say Richard.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:25:28
From: dv
ID: 1840404
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:27:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1840406
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

COVID-19 outbreak on board HMAS Adelaide could hold up delivery of vital aid to Tonga

By foreign affairs reporter Stephen Dziedzic

Uncertainty surrounds Australia’s latest aid mission to Tonga, as almost two dozen personnel on a Navy ship carrying humanitarian supplies to the country test positive to COVID-19.

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-25/covid-19-outbreak-on-board-hmas-adelaide-delivering-aid-to-tonga/100779816

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:32:12
From: Michael V
ID: 1840408
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:



Huh?

“not”?

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:37:27
From: dv
ID: 1840409
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


dv said:


Huh?

“not”?


https://liveatyourlocal.com.au/2021/09/15/34-artists-on-how-the-vax-can-help-us-get-back-on-track/

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:44:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1840415
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


dv said:


Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:45:24
From: Michael V
ID: 1840416
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:


Huh?

“not”?


https://liveatyourlocal.com.au/2021/09/15/34-artists-on-how-the-vax-can-help-us-get-back-on-track/

Ta.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:47:25
From: Michael V
ID: 1840418
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

dv said:


Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:48:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840419
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

would these mask be suitable for covid?

link

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:49:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840421
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:50:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1840423
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

There are two Claptons:

Eric Clapton

Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Richard Clapton

Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:51:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1840424
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Eric is British.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:51:19
From: dv
ID: 1840425
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

So you see, Eric Clapton turns out to be funding antivax misinformation campaigns and a few moments ago on the forum there was an image of a graffito that says “Clapton is God” followed by a jocular conversation about whether we’re talking about Eric or Richard so here is a little headline emphasising the fact that there is still at least one geetar playing Clapton on the side of the angels.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:52:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840427
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Huh?

“not”?

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

Why?

Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.

Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:52:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840428
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Eric is English.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:53:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840429
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Eric is British.

Just as bad.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:54:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840431
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

There are two Claptons:

Eric Clapton

Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Richard Clapton

Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton

I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.

But let’s not debate matters of flavour.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:54:59
From: Arts
ID: 1840432
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

Why?

Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.

Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.

what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:55:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840433
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Eric is English.

thanks mister pliocene era.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:57:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840435
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Arts said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

Why?

Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.

Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.

what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..

Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.

Or maybe he’s reformed these days.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:58:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1840436
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

There are two Claptons:

Eric Clapton

Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Richard Clapton

Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton

I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.

But let’s not debate matters of flavour.

I agree. Although there is a lot of Eric I don’t want to listen to. The only Eric record I own is 461 Ocean Boulevarde.

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Date: 25/01/2022 12:59:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840437
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Eric is English.

thanks mister pliocene era.

“The Pliocene Epoch is the epoch in the geologic timescale that extends from 5.333 million to 2.58 million years BP. “

Seems a slight exageration.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:02:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840438
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

There are two Claptons:

Eric Clapton

Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Richard Clapton

Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton

I disagree that Clapton, E. is over-rated as a guitarist.

But let’s not debate matters of flavour.

I agree. Although there is a lot of Eric I don’t want to listen to. The only Eric record I own is 461 Ocean Boulevarde.

It should be said that his music that I enjoy is more due to Jack Bruce’s playing than his, but nonetheless they did play well together, and neither reached the same heights in their later careers.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:06:44
From: dv
ID: 1840441
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


Arts said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why?

Eric Clapton is apparently anti-vax, and was at one time known as a god by his followers.

Richard Clapton is pro-vax, and has nothing to do with it.

what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..

Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.

Or maybe he’s reformed these days.

Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent

Wait

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:09:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 1840442
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Eric is English.

thanks mister pliocene era.

“The Pliocene Epoch is the epoch in the geologic timescale that extends from 5.333 million to 2.58 million years BP. “

Seems a slight exageration.

well, maybe.

:-)

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:09:45
From: Arts
ID: 1840443
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

what is his EC’s stance here? because if he is about not putting poisons into his body.. oof..

Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.

Or maybe he’s reformed these days.

Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent

Wait

yikes

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:11:55
From: dv
ID: 1840444
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

I’m not sure we’d have been mates

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:12:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1840445
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SA: Premier says today’s low infection numbers are positive

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:12:23
From: dv
ID: 1840446
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Peak Warming Man said:


SA: Premier says today’s low infection numbers are positive

Lol

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:12:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1840447
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

eric clapton not richard. eric is the yank and richard is the aussie.

Ah.

Thanks.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:13:01
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1840448
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Arts said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Presumably it is only legal and medically approved poisons that he objects to putting into his body.

Or maybe he’s reformed these days.

Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent

Wait

yikes

People are getting upset with me pointing out that Meat Loaf was an anti-vaxxer, so it’s his fault he died from it.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:13:50
From: Michael V
ID: 1840449
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Eric is the anti-vaxxer.

I’m officially Quite Confused now.

There are two Claptons:

Eric Clapton

Eric Patrick Clapton (born 30 March 1945) is an overrated English rock and blues guitarist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton

Richard Clapton

Richard Clapton (born 18 May 1948) is an Australian singer-songwriter-guitarist and producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Clapton

Thanks.

:)

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:14:19
From: dv
ID: 1840450
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


Arts said:

dv said:

Maybe he’s coming at it from the standpoint of a responsible parent

Wait

yikes

People are getting upset with me pointing out that Meat Loaf was an anti-vaxxer, so it’s his fault he died from it.

You can count me as one who was not upset with you.

I’m trying to stay on the right line between solemn cautionary lecture and outright schadenfreude

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:14:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1840451
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Embarrassing old fucker.

As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.

If I ever get like that, shoot me.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:18:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1840452
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Embarrassing old fucker.

As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.

If I ever get like that, shoot me.


No worries.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:19:36
From: Michael V
ID: 1840453
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


I’m not sure we’d have been mates

What a dick.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:21:52
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1840455
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


Embarrassing old fucker.

As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.

If I ever get like that, shoot me.

I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:26:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1840457
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


dv said:

I’m not sure we’d have been mates

What a dick.

yep.

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:26:47
From: Michael V
ID: 1840458
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


Bubblecar said:

Embarrassing old fucker.

As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.

If I ever get like that, shoot me.

I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.

LOL – nor from me, either.

:)

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Date: 25/01/2022 13:46:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1840474
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Spiny Norman said:

Bubblecar said:

Embarrassing old fucker.

As well as being anti-vax and anti-lockdown, he’s into Keep Britain White and pro-fox hunting.

If I ever get like that, shoot me.

I liked his music, but I had no idea about those principles he has.
That’s it, he’s never getting a chrissy present from me again.

LOL – nor from me, either.

:)

I was living in England in 1976, but never heard a word of this back then.

In fact I think the first I heard of it may have been on this very forum (or its predecessor).

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Date: 25/01/2022 17:16:18
From: transition
ID: 1840547
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sarahs mum said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I’m not sure we’d have been mates

What a dick.

yep.

what’s wrong with a little racial homogeneity, people have become so intolerant

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Date: 25/01/2022 20:20:15
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1840587
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

British experts have warned that around 22,500 UK sites of archaeological significance are under threat from climate change.

As changing weather patterns continue to dry out peatlands, the still-buried artefacts they contain could also be destroyed, according to Dr Andrew Birley, Dr Gillian Taylor of Teesside University and Dr Rosie Everett of Northumbria University.

Due to peat soil containing very little oxygen, organic materials like wood, leather, textiles and even, in some cases, human flesh do not rot.

Thus items from the long-ago past can still be unearthed.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/uknews/climate-change-threatening-britain-s-ancient-treasure-as-peat-bogs-dry-out/ar-AAT6ZSQ?ocid=msedgntp

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Date: 26/01/2022 00:21:06
From: dv
ID: 1840649
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing

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Date: 26/01/2022 00:28:09
From: Arts
ID: 1840651
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Flattening the curve

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Date: 26/01/2022 02:06:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840667
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Arts said:

dv said:

This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing

Flattening the curve

actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet
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Date: 26/01/2022 02:26:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840669
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

not so convinced about that though, but also wondering what the criteria for judging are (conferatur many other more familiar places where there is a persistent push to label “with” and “preexisting” instead)

with the caveat that obviously information coming out of there is tightly restricted, but against that the also obvious result that citizens are suspicious of government claims, the contacts we have on the ground in CHINA (who are not, to our knowledge, party officials) don’t seem to raise any issues with prolonged oppressive lockdowns andor mass panic

that said, it could be consistent if they were able to concentrate all those deaths on a relatively narrow population band, for example 28000000 citizens in Xinjiang (with the upper bound early death rate of 0.06 that number of dead would require 28000000 cases), so everyone else felt perfectly safe (conferatur NSW success story, where 1/3 of cases were in SWSydney*)

*: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-sydney-suburbs-bearing-the-brunt-of-the-omicron-wave-20220120-p59pzh.html

JHU modelling has a central estimate of excess deaths in China at 800000.

uh how did they prevent the 900000 other deaths

aha found it they must be using the UK method of counting

we knew it, this is typical CHINA, steal something that someone else does and grow it and make it efficient and end up with 10 times more

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Date: 26/01/2022 02:29:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840670
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

they wouldn’t get away with doing this in Australia

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Date: 26/01/2022 02:59:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840673
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

For The British, Hong Kong Is A Very Dark Place

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Date: 26/01/2022 06:54:08
From: buffy
ID: 1840677
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

It occurs to me that the demonization of unvaccinated people in intensive care may be unfair to quite a proportion of them. I have not seen reported anywhere how many of them are unvaccinated by choice. There is a minority of people unable to be vaccinated due to great frailty, being in the terminal stages of a disease, allergy to some component of the vaccine, being generally unwell, various other reasons. These people will also be the people who are most likely to be severely affected by COVID and need intensive care. To then attach blame to them if they do catch the bug and need intensive care would seem to me to be rude, at the very least.

Australia is now over 90% vaccinated.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-statistics

So the remaining 7% would include people unable to be vaccinated. I don’t know, but I would think it likely they constitute possibly more than 50% of that 7%. So perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them.

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Date: 26/01/2022 08:24:18
From: transition
ID: 1840714
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Arts said:

dv said:

This morning’s national death count was slightly lower than the same last week so maybe things are plateauing

Flattening the curve

actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet

self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion

covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:12:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840789
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:

It occurs to me that the demonization of unvaccinated people in intensive care may be unfair to quite a proportion of them. I have not seen reported anywhere how many of them are unvaccinated by choice. There is a minority of people unable to be vaccinated due to great frailty, being in the terminal stages of a disease, allergy to some component of the vaccine, being generally unwell, various other reasons. These people will also be the people who are most likely to be severely affected by COVID and need intensive care. To then attach blame to them if they do catch the bug and need intensive care would seem to me to be rude, at the very least.

Australia is now over 90% vaccinated.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-statistics

So the remaining 7% would include people unable to be vaccinated. I don’t know, but I would think it likely they constitute possibly more than 50% of that 7%. So perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them.

ah well we suppose most people too sick to get a vaccination would probably also be too sick to withstand the impositions of intensive care but hey what would we know, those dirty corrupt doctors running intensive care units probably look at some old crumbly unvaccinated dude and think, well at least ‘e didn’t stay unvaccinated by choice, and inappropriately decide to take the old crumble instead of the strong young fella with no other pre-existing conditions but who didn’t get shot by choice

we mean hey when people die and it’s obviously acceptable if they have pre-existing conditions, that’s their own fault too hey, or perhaps it would be seemly to refrain from making the distress of them and their relatives worse by blaming them

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:16:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840794
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

Flattening the curve

actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet

self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion

covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious

don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.

“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:18:00
From: Michael V
ID: 1840799
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet

self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion

covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious

don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.

“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:25:35
From: Tamb
ID: 1840806
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

transition said:

self-imposed restraints on swapping air have achieved equilibrium in response to contagion

covid reticent have maximized reticence in response to covid gregarious

don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.

“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.


Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:34:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840812
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.

“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.


Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

shrug we’re very happy for people to protect their own health and take precautions we mean hey we go anywhere outside the residence with N95+ on but just find it a little off for the narrative-controllers to then go forward and call it Freedom® compared to a fully-interrupted transmission scenario where said precautions aren’t necessary

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Date: 26/01/2022 11:56:08
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1840823
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The number of children in American hospitals with covid-19 is rising fast
Rapid transmission and vaccination discrepancies are part of the explanation
Jan 17th 2022

In many countries where the Omicron variant has taken hold, the number of children hospitalised with covid-19 is rising quickly. In America, more are in hospital with the disease than ever before, including five times as many under-fives as in January last year. In England, in the week to January 9th, the hospitalisation rate for that age group was around 14 per 100,000, the highest for any group under 55.

These increases have been caused in part by the greater transmissibility of Omicron, which means more children are being infected with covid. But it is possible that the variant also poses a greater risk to youngsters. The Economist’s analysis finds that in America the share of children under five who caught the disease and needed hospital treatment has risen. The case-hospitalisation ratio in the last two weeks of December was 50% higher than in the two weeks before Omicron was first detected.

Data from New York state, released on January 7th, suggest something similar. Its health department found a near 50% increase in hospital admissions per 100,000 cases in children aged four or younger after the variant was first detected, and a 70% increase in unvaccinated children aged five to 11 (but a decrease in those over the age of 12). Doctors have speculated that this is because Omicron reproduces higher in the respiratory tract than previous variants, causing milder symptoms in adults as the virus does less damage to the lungs, but worse ones in children, because their smaller airways can become blocked more easily.

Figures on hospitalisations tend to fluctuate over time even without the emergence of new variants, so the increases are far from definitive proof that Omicron is riskier for children. Differences in vaccination rates provide another potential explanation. In America, 63% of adults are fully vaccinated and 24% have had a booster shot. Fewer children have had the jab. No shots have been approved for those aged four and younger, and only 18% of five- to 11-year-olds have been fully vaccinated. The proportion of people being admitted to hospital “with” rather than “for” covid has also risen.

Evidence on the matter is still emerging. A report from Britain’s health-security agency suggests that, for children above the age of five, Omicron presents a lower risk of hospitalisation than Delta. Other British data show that, although more infants are being admitted to hospital with covid, the number in intensive care, the percentage needing ventilation and the average length of their stay have fallen compared with previous waves. The vast majority of children infected with covid experience mild illness and are far less likely than older folk to need hospital treatment. Parents should still worry more about themselves than about their offspring.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/17/the-number-of-children-in-american-hospitals-with-covid-19-is-rising-fast?

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Date: 26/01/2022 12:07:10
From: Michael V
ID: 1840826
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

don’t worry, Freedom® in Communist Queensland means old people get to lock themselves away right, it’s great, as long as it’s voluntary and personal responsibility then who cares

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is urging the state’s older residents to limit their movements over the coming weeks. This call comes after the state recorded nine new COVID-19 related deaths, all over the age of 50. Ms Palaszczuk urged elderly Queenslanders to not go into big crowds if possible.

“In the next couple of weeks, just limit where you go,” she said. “And don’t go into live crowds. “What we are seeing tragically is the elderly people who are losing their lives.

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.


Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

Excellent.

:)

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Date: 26/01/2022 12:12:43
From: Speedy
ID: 1840828
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.


Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

Excellent.

:)

Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(

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Date: 26/01/2022 12:19:02
From: Michael V
ID: 1840829
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Speedy said:


Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

Excellent.

:)

Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(

Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.

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Date: 26/01/2022 12:20:18
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1840831
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Michael V said:


Speedy said:

Michael V said:

Excellent.

:)

Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(

Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.

Weird that.
Talked to a mate of mine on the phone yesterday, his kid caught the virus and they haven’t been wearing masks at home but he and his wife didn’t catch it.

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Date: 26/01/2022 13:05:07
From: Speedy
ID: 1840834
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:

Speedy said:

Speedy Jnr has now had a second negative PCR result. This was from Day 5 after exposure. Everyone else he works with has tested positive :(

Good for Junior (and your family), bummer for the others.

Weird that.
Talked to a mate of mine on the phone yesterday, his kid caught the virus and they haven’t been wearing masks at home but he and his wife didn’t catch it.

Yes it is weird. Although SJ has had his booster, that wasn’t provided until after his exposure, and was only 4 days ago now so supposedly it will not yet be providing any added protection.

SJ and LS are only 15 months apart in age, and SJ has only recently turned 18, making him eligible for his booster. LS is not yet eligible and NSW Health says:

Why are people aged under 18 not eligible for a booster when they can get a vaccine?

Booster doses are not currently recommended for those aged under 18 years. In this age group, severe COVID-19 is uncommon, and the primary course of COVID-19 vaccines generates a strong immune response, so the benefit from additional doses of vaccine is likely to be small.

In addition, there are currently only very limited data on the safety of repeated mRNA vaccine doses in this age group.

ATAGI will advise if a booster dose is required for children and young people (aged under 18) in the future.

Clearly there can be no definitive age where the primary course will generate a strong immune response, or not. I’m hoping that his was sufficient to protect him in this instance, and that having had his booster, he will now be Covid-proof for a little while at least. He needs to be, as he’s on the trains almost daily.

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Date: 26/01/2022 13:28:15
From: transition
ID: 1840837
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

I’ve been doing that, and will continue to do it, too.


Me too.
Safely escaped Cairns & don’t have to go back until 28/02.

shrug we’re very happy for people to protect their own health and take precautions we mean hey we go anywhere outside the residence with N95+ on but just find it a little off for the narrative-controllers to then go forward and call it Freedom® compared to a fully-interrupted transmission scenario where said precautions aren’t necessary

what’s a few lives, illness, covid injury, inconvenience and self-imposed isolation for the locals, free live-virus vaccine booster also, oh did I mention the uncertainty, and why, so the jetsetters can land into existing covid background noise and not be inconvenienced by quarantine

it’s a beautiful win for free-range internationalism, all those mobile loyalties

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Date: 26/01/2022 13:48:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840841
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far

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Date: 26/01/2022 13:56:26
From: transition
ID: 1840843
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far

and a good reminder

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Date: 26/01/2022 13:57:48
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1840845
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Have see seen this image on the Covid thread yet?

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:34:43
From: dv
ID: 1840848
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:36:35
From: sibeen
ID: 1840849
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

15 all.

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:39:02
From: transition
ID: 1840850
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:43:07
From: party_pants
ID: 1840851
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


dv said:

transition said:

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

15 all.

quiet please…

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:44:47
From: dv
ID: 1840852
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


dv said:

transition said:

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection

TRUE but not being dead is also important

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:45:31
From: Michael V
ID: 1840853
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

dv said:

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

15 all.

quiet please…

LOLOL at you lot.

:)

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Date: 26/01/2022 14:59:43
From: transition
ID: 1840857
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

dv said:

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection

TRUE but not being dead is also important

yes it’s crushingly obvious, what more is there to say

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Date: 26/01/2022 15:33:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1840868
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


dv said:

transition said:

From Science: “casual reminder that N95+ masks are 9.5+ times more effective at preventing infection than any course of COVID-19 vaccination so far”

and a good reminder

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection

I am surprised to be in total agreement, on both issues. I can’t confirm that 9.5+ times, but it’s definitely in the right ballpark.

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Date: 26/01/2022 15:56:33
From: sibeen
ID: 1840875
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

The covid hotspots map at the NYT.

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:00:08
From: dv
ID: 1840876
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


The covid hotspots map at the NYT.

Is this cases or deaths

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:06:34
From: sibeen
ID: 1840878
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


sibeen said:

The covid hotspots map at the NYT.

Is this cases or deaths

Cases.

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:06:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1840879
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

What makes animals susceptible to SARS-CoV-2?
Hong Kong’s hamsters are far from the only unlucky species
Jan 25th 2022

Hamster vigilantes conspiring against the government sounds like a joke, or perhaps the plot of a children’s film. Unfortunately, in Hong Kong it is serious. Having discovered that some hamsters imported from the Netherlands in late December were infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid-19, the territory’s government ordered a cull of the animals. Thousands of heartbroken owners have refused to surrender their pets and have collaborated with sympathisers to form an underground network whereby their hamsters can be hidden from snooping officials. It is a dismal situation and one that prompts the question: are other pets likely to contract the virus too?

SARS-CoV-2 finds its way into other species in much the same way that it infects humans. The virus travels on aerosols into the upper respiratory system of the animal, where some cells have particular proteins on their surfaces to which it can bind. Thus bound it hijacks the cell and forces it to mass-produce copies that will then go on to bind to other cells nearby. The critical factor is whether the cells of the species in question have receptor proteins to which SARS-CoV-2 can bind. In many cases they do.

The receptor in question is known as angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, or ACE2. It is used by the body to regulate blood pressure and, since most animals have blood that needs to be managed at a specific pressure, it is commonly found in other species. Not all species’ ACE2 receptors are alike, however. If the receptor lacks components that the virus needs to make a good connection, it struggles to bind. This is the case for the common house mouse, which SARS-CoV-2 has a difficult time infecting. In contrast, the golden hamsters that are commonly kept as pets have ACE2 receptors that are ideal for viral binding. A number of studies have shown that these rodents are vulnerable to the virus, and experts in zoonotic diseases believe they are likely to become highly infectious as well.

Golden hamsters are not the only animals that are easy for the virus to infect. More than 540 species are likely to have the right kind of receptors, according to research by Barbara Han of the Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies, New York (see chart). Gorillas, monkeys, marmosets and macaques, being closely related to humans, all have vulnerable receptors. So too do many felids including tigers, lions, cougars and house cats. Dogs, cows, ferrets and deer also can catch the disease. Indeed, the virus is already circulating widely among white-tailed deer in North America. Whether any of these deer face suffering or death from SARS-CoV-2 remains to be determined. But more concerning than the health of the animals is the way in which the virus might change if it starts circulating in other populations.

Just as SARS-CoV-2 has been driven to evolve into more contagious strains as it has faced the challenges imposed by masks, social distancing and vaccines, so too would it evolve in unpredictable ways if it were to enter into another species and face its immune system. It is unclear whether such further evolution would result in a virus that, should it find its way back into people, would be more dangerous, but nobody wants to find out. It is a dire predicament that the people of Hong Kong face but the government thinks it is safest to cull the hamsters. Pet lovers across the globe should pray that the virus does not begin circulating widely in dogs and cats too.

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/01/25/what-makes-animals-susceptible-to-sars-cov-2?

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:08:03
From: sibeen
ID: 1840880
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


dv said:

sibeen said:

The covid hotspots map at the NYT.

Is this cases or deaths

Cases.

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:25:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1840894
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

>

Poor animals, keep them away from humans
And make sure they wear face masks or are triple vaccinated.

Whatever happened to the saying “cats can’t give us Covid but would if they could”?

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Date: 26/01/2022 16:37:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840901
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

dv said:

If you get covid, having been vaccinate is much better at keeping you alive than a mask…

true is that, but SCIENCE did say preventing infection

TRUE but not being dead is also important

not really, we’re pretty sure being dead would prevent infection even better than masks or vaccines

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Date: 26/01/2022 17:22:04
From: Speedy
ID: 1840913
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Witty Rejoinder said:

Would humans rate at maximum on that scale?

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Date: 26/01/2022 17:28:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1840915
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.

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Date: 26/01/2022 18:10:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840931
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Witty Rejoinder said:

In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.


or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges

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Date: 26/01/2022 20:12:09
From: transition
ID: 1840972
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.


or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges

question all look a bit loaded to me

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Date: 26/01/2022 20:16:11
From: dv
ID: 1840973
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

In a straw-poll run by ‘The Age’ last week: The third question shows disquiet about ‘letting it rip’.


or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges

question all look a bit loaded to me

Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?

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Date: 26/01/2022 20:23:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1840975
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges

question all look a bit loaded to me

Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?

Not that I recall.

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Date: 26/01/2022 20:30:19
From: transition
ID: 1840976
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


transition said:

SCIENCE said:

or entrapment given that there isn’t much of a balance between opening up economies and tackling infectious disease surges

question all look a bit loaded to me

Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?

questions are quite effective at distracting from the influence of media

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Date: 26/01/2022 20:56:24
From: buffy
ID: 1840984
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Date: 26/01/2022 21:01:31
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1840987
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

buffy said:


Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And we’re up only about 98 places from around the middle of last year.
So much winning!

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Date: 26/01/2022 21:19:18
From: sibeen
ID: 1840988
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


buffy said:

Just before I go…a Sweden Stalk. They have just dropped another notch on the deaths per million table. Now down in 59th place.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And we’re up only about 98 places from around the middle of last year.
So much winning!

Nup, on deaths per million we’ve only moved up a few spots. Sitting at 163.

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Date: 26/01/2022 21:19:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840989
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


dv said:

transition said:

question all look a bit loaded to me

Was “Novak D” one of the possible answers to the first question?

questions are quite effective at distracting from the influence of media

agree most of above

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Date: 26/01/2022 21:40:45
From: dv
ID: 1840993
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Without wanting to be too optimistic it appears as though Australia’s new cases numbers are definitely in decline, and active cases are stable, as are daily deaths. If the death counts track new cases as expected, they should start dropping off next week.

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Date: 26/01/2022 21:49:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1840994
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet
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Date: 26/01/2022 22:02:36
From: transition
ID: 1840995
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

>school’sn’t back yet

yeah the new recruits, little endemic covid warriors be on the front line doing their part for endemic equilibrium soon enough

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Date: 26/01/2022 22:49:29
From: transition
ID: 1840997
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:


>school’sn’t back yet

yeah the new recruits, little endemic covid warriors be on the front line doing their part for endemic equilibrium soon enough

will they even know they’re an instrument of covid equilibrium, part of making good the program

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Date: 26/01/2022 23:15:47
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1841000
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


actual improvement seems plausible for a number of reasons

  1. given how shit it was, it’s plenty easy to improve
  2. media have been banging on about Melbourne Potemkin and Sydney Ghost Town for a couple of weeks
  3. that gives 1 week for cases to turn around
  4. and 1 week for hospitalisation to follow
  5. mass gathering week is now about 4 weeks ago
  6. people have run away from cities
  7. school’sn’t back yet


The past 2 months have been a shitshow, wait til school resumes!

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:04:09
From: sibeen
ID: 1841004
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:11:11
From: party_pants
ID: 1841005
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.

no

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:15:23
From: sibeen
ID: 1841007
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.

no

Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:18:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1841008
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Did you know that covid has saved the United Methodists. god works in strange ways.

no

Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.

OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:21:11
From: sibeen
ID: 1841011
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

party_pants said:


sibeen said:

party_pants said:

no

Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.

OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…

The General Conference was supposed tto be last year but it was put off due to the pandemic. There is to be a split between those who fervently believe that god hates poofters and those within the same church that believe god loves everybody, even those who go to bed with someone of the same sex.

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Date: 27/01/2022 00:26:08
From: party_pants
ID: 1841014
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sibeen said:


party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Oh, it won’t be for long. They have a General Conference set for later this year. At that time, delegates are expected to vote on the Protocol for Reconciliation and Grace through Separation. :) Bloody splitters.

OK. I have no idea what that means. The words are definitely English, but when arranged in that order… etc…

The General Conference was supposed tto be last year but it was put off due to the pandemic. There is to be a split between those who fervently believe that god hates poofters and those within the same church that believe god loves everybody, even those who go to bed with someone of the same sex.

Oh.

Well, I guess that will result in schism then. Too bad, so sad. I am so glad I am out of that scene. But for the grace of Darwin, there goes I.

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Date: 27/01/2022 02:01:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841046
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

mhajyq

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Date: 27/01/2022 02:07:18
From: dv
ID: 1841047
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


mhajyq


damn

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Date: 27/01/2022 03:16:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1841049
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


mhajyq


Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.

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Date: 27/01/2022 03:53:08
From: transition
ID: 1841054
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

PermeateFree said:


SCIENCE said:

mhajyq


Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.

those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving

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Date: 27/01/2022 11:03:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841077
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

transition said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

mhajyq


Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.

those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving

‘twas a relatively small screen shot but also keeps giving, we mean, consider why it’s news that someone somewhere moves to include certain figures

wait yes there was that other thread, proper something, have a bit of a gander or similar

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15574/

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Date: 27/01/2022 11:40:07
From: transition
ID: 1841104
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


transition said:

PermeateFree said:

Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.

those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving

‘twas a relatively small screen shot but also keeps giving, we mean, consider why it’s news that someone somewhere moves to include certain figures

wait yes there was that other thread, proper something, have a bit of a gander or similar

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15574/

it could have been that the reinfections were hiding somewhere, embarrassed to be seen in public, hiding among all the mushrooms, then there were so many it became impossible to hide anymore, and out they all came confidently in their tens of thousands, elevated to a similar status and perhaps higher status than a once-only infection, and they lived happily ever after among the mushrooms

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Date: 27/01/2022 13:22:38
From: dv
ID: 1841134
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/26/entertainment/neil-young-spotify/index.html

Neil Young asks Spotify to remove his music, in protest of Spotify hosting antivax misinformation by Joe Rogan

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Date: 27/01/2022 15:20:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1841146
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702

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Date: 27/01/2022 15:49:16
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1841156
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sarahs mum said:


COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702

That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.

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Date: 27/01/2022 15:59:16
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1841157
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Spiny Norman said:


sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702

That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.

sorright.

someone else would have posted it if we weren’t having a slow day here.

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Date: 27/01/2022 22:31:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841299
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

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Date: 27/01/2022 22:33:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841300
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

sarahs mum said:

Spiny Norman said:

sarahs mum said:

COVID-19 oral antivirals have been embraced in the US and could be a pandemic game changer
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/australians-to-soon-have-access-to-covid-oral-antiviral-drugs/100779702

That’s impressive news, thanks for posting it.

sorright.

someone else would have posted it if we weren’t having a slow day here.

imagine a head cold so mild that people have to take medications with high risk of dangerous interactions with other drugs or that have 30 per cent effectiveness (from article) to avoid going to hospital with it

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Date: 27/01/2022 22:40:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841301
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/sa-government-reveals-details-for-return-to-school/100756364

unfortunately we didn’t filter this before so here’s the hot air now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-27/air-purifiers-in-schools-do-they-work/100781936

South Australia’s Education Department said last month that an independent trial of air purifiers found they “do not reduce the amount of CO2 within education spaces in any meaningful way and provide minimal improvement to the quality of the air”.

remember when a little sheet of fabric in front of the face was tantamount to child abuse because it would trap lethal amounts of CO2 and make already-vaccine-autistic students into culinary vegetables

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Date: 27/01/2022 23:15:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841313
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/hello-from-the-other-side-a-letter-to-wa-from-your-friends-in-the-open-east-20220126-p59ra6.html

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Date: 27/01/2022 23:24:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1841315
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/hello-from-the-other-side-a-letter-to-wa-from-your-friends-in-the-open-east-20220126-p59ra6.html

is she a tosser of a satirist?

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Date: 27/01/2022 23:24:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1841316
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

ChrispenEvan said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/hello-from-the-other-side-a-letter-to-wa-from-your-friends-in-the-open-east-20220126-p59ra6.html

is she a tosser of a satirist?

or

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Date: 27/01/2022 23:30:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841320
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Laugh Out Loud

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/hello-from-the-other-side-a-letter-to-wa-from-your-friends-in-the-open-east-20220126-p59ra6.html

is she a tosser of a satirist?

or

we admit that it took us until the comments to be confident of the answer, but found it even more entertaining when we were

(though some comments do accuse her of being a tosser of a satirist so there is that)

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Date: 27/01/2022 23:55:54
From: transition
ID: 1841321
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


ChrispenEvan said:

ChrispenEvan said:

is she a tosser of a satirist?

or

we admit that it took us until the comments to be confident of the answer, but found it even more entertaining when we were

(though some comments do accuse her of being a tosser of a satirist so there is that)

bit of a positive tease from the covid gregarious, sounds good for a one-off read, not sure i’d like to be stuck in a room for more than a minute with it

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Date: 28/01/2022 11:29:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1841498
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

This article says a lot, i think:

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/because-we-could-not-stop-for-death/

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Date: 28/01/2022 14:33:54
From: dv
ID: 1841572
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

There were 93 deaths announced today but 35 of these actually occurred earlier in the month in NSW but have just been accounted now so don’t panic

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Date: 28/01/2022 16:04:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841605
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:

There were 93 deaths announced today but 35 of these actually occurred earlier in the month in NSW but have just been accounted now so don’t panic

a better strategy would be to announce them at a nadir of cases and then we could blame all those fucking idiots who thought that stopping transmission of virulent infectious disease was a good idea

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Date: 28/01/2022 16:23:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841610
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

https://www.abc.net.au/everyday/managing-covid-infection-guilt/100785344

For instance, you might think that you would not have caught and given someone else COVID if we had not attended a party — easily forgetting that you had no way of knowing you would have contracted COVID at the party. This is known as hindsight bias.

in summary unless you’re left with {absolutely zero probability of a virus being present or transmitted} to hide behind, then all good not your fault risk taken appropriately

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Date: 28/01/2022 17:56:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841665
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Laugh Out Loud

The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.

University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.

He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”

so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops

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Date: 28/01/2022 18:00:22
From: dv
ID: 1841674
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Laugh Out Loud

The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.

University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.

He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”

so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops

I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)

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Date: 28/01/2022 18:52:39
From: transition
ID: 1841688
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


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The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.

University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.

He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”

so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops

>The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert

well it will likely be different people that die (from covid), and whoever does end up dead won’t be dead so soon

it’s bit like a blindfolded firing squad this endemic equilibrium enthusiasm, enthusiasts

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Date: 28/01/2022 18:59:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1841693
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

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The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.

University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.

He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”

so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops

I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)

You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.

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Date: 28/01/2022 19:11:03
From: dv
ID: 1841698
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

SCIENCE said:

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The delay in reopening Western Australia to the rest of the country will achieve very little in the way of public health, according to a WA infectious disease expert.

University of Western Australia professor George Milne has prepared new modelling on the Omicron variant, and had in the past advised WA Health on the COVID-19 pandemic. He said the build-up of immunity from booster doses — which the state government said it wanted to increase before reopening — would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine. “And there’s a point where it doesn’t make much difference if we delay opening borders very much,” Professor Milne told ABC Radio Perth.

He said his modelling — which looked at the curves in other states and in the UK — took into account an influx of cases when the borders opened. “We find that we get quite a stable situation with the level of immunity in the population,” Professor Milne said. “And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than.”

so what we’re saying is that there’s no flock immunity to this shit and we can go chasing it forever with rounds of infection or vaccination and still it’ll be a fucking public health disaster like every other state at above 75% coverage but hey might as well let it rip right now because it’s too hard to wear masks and slow it down until it stops

I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)

You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.

Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…

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Date: 28/01/2022 19:13:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1841701
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I mean the good thing about being an economy supported by resources is that WA can probably keep the border closed forever (except for the political ramifications)

You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.

Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…

…people are food too…

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Date: 28/01/2022 19:55:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841721
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

You’d probably need to import some foodstuffs.

Right but covid is not being brought in on foodstuffs mainly. The closed border only pertains to people…

…people are food too…

we meant tofu and dal and vegetables you barbarians

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Date: 28/01/2022 20:30:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841733
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028

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Date: 28/01/2022 20:34:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1841737
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

SCIENCE said:


Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028


You’re getting too cynical.

Australian Fascists Greens Ready For Landslide In 2028.

Corrected.

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Date: 28/01/2022 20:37:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841739
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Good News, Australian Fascists Ready For Landslide In 2028


You’re getting too cynical.

Australian Fascists Greens Ready For Landslide In 2028.

Corrected.

oh is the next big variant this year going to be a neuroenhancing one for a change

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Date: 28/01/2022 20:38:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1841740
Subject: re: COVID 22Jan to 28Jan 2022

scratches whiteheads

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