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Scotland Assigns Beautiful Yellow Badges To Lepers In Preparation For International Day Of Commemoration

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-distance-aware-scheme/

⚠ WGAF

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⚠ WGAF

what would be the course of things if media became a dominant force for what a person ought feel, a model that way, given it is very machine-like and so tied to entertainment

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

dv said:

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

Not in Vic. Masks indoors seems to be to only real real. Saying that, most people are working from home if able and keeping out of large crowds.

dv said:

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

Just heard that the rules for my Monday afternoon painting class are the same as before (wear mask when sitting not interacting with anybody, but take it off for a coffee and a chat half way through), except now the classes are open to everybody, jabbed or not.

The guy running the class says he’s getting round that by not advertising it, so with a bit of luck there will be no newcomers.

dv said:

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/covid19-omicron-wave-turned-parramatta-into-ghost-town/100772626
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/omicron-covid-spread-hits-australian-small-business/100772382

et cetera

I don’t like it that journos present any change in covid regulation as “confusing”. It’s not all that difficult. You can summarise the rules in a few sentences. How do people get on in their jobs if they find this confusing?

dv said:

I don’t like it that journos present any change in covid regulation as “confusing”. It’s not all that difficult. You can summarise the rules in a few sentences. How do people get on in their jobs if they find this confusing?

Confusion id Journalism 101

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/covid19-omicron-wave-turned-parramatta-into-ghost-town/100772626
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/omicron-covid-spread-hits-australian-small-business/100772382

et cetera

a person might argue it’s in response to the program of endemic covid, largely involving aversion to swapping air, endemic equilibrium requires the aversion, it’s oppressive really

the media will helpfully deprive it’s subjects the language to say that, and omicron wave serves that purpose well

dv said:

I don’t like it that journos present any change in covid regulation as “confusing”. It’s not all that

what about when they described an evidenced shift in judgement as a backflip

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

So what are the rules in NSW and Vic right now? Because new infections are way down on a couple of weeks ago. Are youse in lockdown or something?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/covid19-omicron-wave-turned-parramatta-into-ghost-town/100772626
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/omicron-covid-spread-hits-australian-small-business/100772382

et cetera

a person might argue it’s in response to the program of endemic covid, largely involving aversion to swapping air, endemic equilibrium requires the aversion, it’s oppressive really

the media will helpfully deprive it’s subjects the language to say that, and omicron wave serves that purpose well

we freely acknowledge that we also do agree that transient immediate-post-infective immunity likely played some role in stepping down from peak

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-22/covid19-omicron-wave-turned-parramatta-into-ghost-town/100772626
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-23/omicron-covid-spread-hits-australian-small-business/100772382

et cetera

a person might argue it’s in response to the program of endemic covid, largely involving aversion to swapping air, endemic equilibrium requires the aversion, it’s oppressive really

the media will helpfully deprive it’s subjects the language to say that, and omicron wave serves that purpose well

we freely acknowledge that we also do agree that transient immediate-post-infective immunity likely played some role in stepping down from peak

you burn out the air-swapping-gregarious also, related

Good News¡ USSA Economy Set To Skyrocket On Back Of Insulin Sales

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788283

Qld figures:

Total deaths since covid first appeared.183
8 deaths in Cairns & hinterland.

roughbarked said:

Where was this?

Tamb said:

Qld figures:

Total deaths since covid first appeared.183
8 deaths in Cairns & hinterland.

Bloody!

:(

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Where was this?

Griffith NSW

Joni Mitchell to remove songs from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young’s stance against COVID ‘misinformation’
The legendary singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell says she will take her songs off the streaming service, saying “irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-29/joni-mitchell-take-songs-off-spotify-solidarity-with-neil-young/100790200

roughbarked said:

Joni Mitchell to remove songs from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young’s stance against COVID ‘misinformation’
The legendary singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell says she will take her songs off the streaming service, saying “irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-29/joni-mitchell-take-songs-off-spotify-solidarity-with-neil-young/100790200

love.

roughbarked said:

Joni Mitchell to remove songs from Spotify in solidarity with Neil Young’s stance against COVID ‘misinformation’
The legendary singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell says she will take her songs off the streaming service, saying “irresponsible people are spreading lies that are costing people their lives”.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-29/joni-mitchell-take-songs-off-spotify-solidarity-with-neil-young/100790200

Good stuff.

:)

Star-cross’d lovers

dv said:

Star-cross’d lovers

Seems odd.

buffy said:

dv said:

Star-cross’d lovers

Seems odd.

Stockholm syndrome. I’m not sure who is terrorising who.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

dv said:

Star-cross’d lovers

Seems odd.

Stockholm syndrome. I’m not sure who is terrorising who.

I was thinking more journalistic licence.

Influenza pandemic, California (1918).

Scientists are closely following a new subvariant called “stealth omicron.” Dr. Nahid Bhadelia weighs in on the risks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkNhsuZzWA

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Seems odd.

Stockholm syndrome. I’m not sure who is terrorising who.

I was thinking more journalistic licence.

or catholic righteousness

sarahs mum said:

Scientists are closely following a new subvariant called “stealth omicron.” Dr. Nahid Bhadelia weighs in on the risks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkNhsuZzWA

eventually we might get to cloud-seeding omicron, then perhaps mass-extinction omicron

the petri dish for the good work is not small

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Scientists are closely following a new subvariant called “stealth omicron.” Dr. Nahid Bhadelia weighs in on the risks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkNhsuZzWA

eventually we might get to cloud-seeding omicron, then perhaps mass-extinction omicron

the petri dish for the good work is not small

Stealth omicron had to be American.

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Scientists are closely following a new subvariant called “stealth omicron.” Dr. Nahid Bhadelia weighs in on the risks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkNhsuZzWA

eventually we might get to cloud-seeding omicron, then perhaps mass-extinction omicron

the petri dish for the good work is not small

Stealth omicron had to be American.

chuckle

i’ll be referring to all covid-19 from here on as endemicists covid, like it was the work of satan

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PermeateFree said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

mhajyq

damn

Keeps on giving this virus. Another potent variant will make it really interesting.

those promoting endemic equilibrium keep on giving

‘twas a relatively small screen shot but also keeps giving, we mean, consider why it’s news that someone somewhere moves to include certain figures

wait yes there was that other thread, proper something, have a bit of a gander or similar

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/15574/

it could have been that the reinfections were hiding somewhere, embarrassed to be seen in public, hiding among all the mushrooms, then there were so many it became impossible to hide anymore, and out they all came confidently in their tens of thousands, elevated to a similar status and perhaps higher status than a once-only infection, and they lived happily ever after among the mushrooms

Victory¡

SCIENCE said:

Victory¡

you wouldn’t think severe mental illness would put you at that greater risk../

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

Victory¡

you wouldn’t think severe mental illness would put you at that greater risk../

it might stop people from seeking help or staying on treatment we suppose

but the takeaway is simpler than that

if you’re over 65 years old, or you have cardiac disease obesity pulmonary disease asthma diabetes kidney disease liver disease cancer palliative care rare genetic conditions then nobody should care if you die, the sooner the better

sarahs mum said:

transition said:

sarahs mum said:

Scientists are closely following a new subvariant called “stealth omicron.” Dr. Nahid Bhadelia weighs in on the risks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkNhsuZzWA

eventually we might get to cloud-seeding omicron, then perhaps mass-extinction omicron

the petri dish for the good work is not small

Stealth omicron had to be American.

SCIENCE said:

Victory¡

all killed by the policy of endemic covid

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I wanna wear one of those at work.

SCIENCE said:

Is that cymek?

Still rising.

I take it that you are all self-isolating – Not.

mollwollfumble said:

Still rising.

I take it that you are all self-isolating – Not.

we do ask all the party animals why rush to isolate now when after COVID-19 you could isolate for eternity in your own little wooden room for eternity

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Still rising.

I take it that you are all self-isolating – Not.

we do ask all the party animals why rush to isolate now when after COVID-19 you could isolate for eternity in your own little wooden room for eternity

i’d happily make cheap wooden rooms for and specifically for endemicists

just think it longer term a bit

George Milne, a professor at the University of Western Australia who specialises in disease modelling, told ABC Radio this week the build-up of immunity from boosters would be countered by waning immunity from those who have already had the vaccine.

“And in fact, coincidentally, we’re showing that around about the time that the border would have opened, that there is a level of immunity in the population that it’s hard to get higher than,” Professor Milne said.

So for an infectious disease too contagious to contain without the N95+ masks that governments refuse to have everyone use, meaning it’s going to spread, explode, go BOOMWTF,

do you want that high level of immunity when cases are just getting started, there’s a handful, a bit of exponential growth will still be a bit,

or do you want it some other time, earlier you say, or later, or maybe what you actually want is growth from 0, yes that’s zero, as if it’s the immunity that makes all the difference ¿

look, two expressions that mean the same thing, but at different times, constitutes a backflip

Before Christmas, Mr McGowan said the hard border could potentially become “redundant” if COVID was already in the state.

But this week, he said even if WA reached high community numbers, that would “not necessarily” make the border redundant.

It’s Like Magic ¡

But after a date they were told was “locked-in” ended up being cast aside at the last minute, West Australians could be forgiven for being hesitant to trust the next announcement, whenever it may come.

don’t know about any of you but last time we checked things that are locked can also be unlocked

SCIENCE said:

look, two expressions that mean the same thing, but at different times, constitutes a backflip

Before Christmas, Mr McGowan said the hard border could potentially become “redundant” if COVID was already in the state.

But this week, he said even if WA reached high community numbers, that would “not necessarily” make the border redundant.

It’s Like Magic ¡

But after a date they were told was “locked-in” ended up being cast aside at the last minute, West Australians could be forgiven for being hesitant to trust the next announcement, whenever it may come.

don’t know about any of you but last time we checked things that are locked can also be unlocked

yes, here’s the inside scoop… it was never a promise, it was a plan.. a plan made if things stayed as stable as they were… but they didn’t.. Uncle Omni arrived unannounced and uninvited and already drunk on cheap wine, so Marky McG had to rethink the plan.. and people are upset because they feel like their state daddy has broken a promise.. which is just one more reason why you should never work with children.

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

look, two expressions that mean the same thing, but at different times, constitutes a backflip

Before Christmas, Mr McGowan said the hard border could potentially become “redundant” if COVID was already in the state.

But this week, he said even if WA reached high community numbers, that would “not necessarily” make the border redundant.

It’s Like Magic ¡

But after a date they were told was “locked-in” ended up being cast aside at the last minute, West Australians could be forgiven for being hesitant to trust the next announcement, whenever it may come.

don’t know about any of you but last time we checked things that are locked can also be unlocked

yes, here’s the inside scoop… it was never a promise, it was a plan.. a plan made if things stayed as stable as they were… but they didn’t.. Uncle Omni arrived unannounced and uninvited and already drunk on cheap wine, so Marky McG had to rethink the plan.. and people are upset because they feel like their state daddy has broken a promise.. which is just one more reason why you should never work with children.

my impression was the WA premier maintained discretion, involving ongoing reevaluation of the situation

and that’s the important concept I think, discretion, you might see the media give you other words that don’t point to that

the endemicist mafioso don’t much like such discretion, you will have endemic covid they chant, and State borders are an obstruction, in fact it may be the case many of them don’t like borders at all, big picture people, identify with the world a lot, not sure it’s entirely natural or honest, but they apparently do

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Wasn’t the maximum number of daily cases something like 750 or thereabouts under the previous Victorian breakout. That would hardly show as a dot on that scale.

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Let me check that against ourworldindata. Yep, until delta the number of Covid cases in Australia was completely negligible.

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Let me check that against ourworldindata. Yep, until delta the number of Covid cases in Australia was completely negligible.

wait so lockdowns and restrictions actually work wow who knew

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Let me check that against ourworldindata. Yep, until delta the number of Covid cases in Australia was completely negligible.

The Worldometer site doesn’t graph doesn’t show just one type of variant.
So again, what happened to the earlier numbers?

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Let me check that against ourworldindata. Yep, until delta the number of Covid cases in Australia was completely negligible.

The Worldometer site doesn’t graph doesn’t show just one type of variant.
So again, what happened to the earlier numbers?

That’s the graph of the Victorian cases, which for the earlier part of the pandemic was the vast majority of the Australian cases. It’s a blip on the scale this graph is using, on the worldeter graph it won’t show up.

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Let me check that against ourworldindata. Yep, until delta the number of Covid cases in Australia was completely negligible.

wait so lockdowns and restrictions actually work wow who knew

> The Worldometer site doesn’t graph doesn’t show just one type of variant. So again, what happened to the earlier numbers?

Completely negligible case numbers. Until Delta arrived here in August 2021.

I thought I’d check out China. It did and does have lockdowns and restrictions. As well as triple vaccinations. Enjoy.

mollwollfumble said:

Completely negligible case numbers. Until Delta arrived here in August 2021.

No they weren’t, there were a bit over 30,000 cases. That’s more than a mere blip on that chart.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

Completely negligible case numbers. Until Delta arrived here in August 2021.

No they weren’t, there were a bit over 30,000 cases. That’s more than a mere blip on that chart.

But daily case numbers in Victoria weren’t above 700 and that won’t show up.

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Because it’s daily cases, not total. The vertical axis needs to be changed to show the earlier daily cases and then it wouldn’t work for the later ones because they would offscale at the top.

buffy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Because it’s daily cases, not total. The vertical axis needs to be changed to show the earlier daily cases and then it wouldn’t work for the later ones because they would offscale at the top.

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Spiny Norman said:

Been having a look at the Worldometer site, and something’s odd with the Australian infections graph. Unless history has been somehow changed the significant number of cases we had from early 2020 to about mid 2021 aren’t there. It’s been like that for a while now as well.

Because it’s daily cases, not total. The vertical axis needs to be changed to show the earlier daily cases and then it wouldn’t work for the later ones because they would offscale at the top.

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Because it’s daily cases, not total. The vertical axis needs to be changed to show the earlier daily cases and then it wouldn’t work for the later ones because they would offscale at the top.

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

It’s as I said, the daily cases were only about 700 maximum. They won’t show up.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

It’s as I said, the daily cases were only about 700 maximum. They won’t show up.

Yeah, but you need to actually notice that they mess with the scales according to what they are showing. I found out some months ago. Never assume…

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Because it’s daily cases, not total. The vertical axis needs to be changed to show the earlier daily cases and then it wouldn’t work for the later ones because they would offscale at the top.

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

Yeah I know about the varying scale, but I would have thought we’d see at least a few blips for that first year or so.

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

When you look at Worldometer you have to be very careful to note that vertical axis. They use a different scale for different countries. It can be deceptive if you just think they are all the same.

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

Yeah I know about the varying scale, but I would have thought we’d see at least a few blips for that first year or so.

Just checked the Worldometer Australian graph and discovered:

If you point at the graph line it shows the number of cases for the day, but for the Australian cases/day it doesn’t show anything before July 2021. However if you click to display the 3day moving average line, that does display, showing a maximum of 30/day for the first half of 2021.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

Go to the full countries table and click on USA (they are at the top). The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 1000/2000/3000/4000. Daily cases graph goes 250,000/500,000/750,000

Then look at UK. The vertical scale on their daily deaths chart goes 500/1000/1500/2000. Daily cases goes 50,000/100,000/150,000/200,000

So just a quick look won’t actually tell you what is going on. You have to scale it. It’s the same for daily cases graphs.

Yeah I know about the varying scale, but I would have thought we’d see at least a few blips for that first year or so.

Just checked the Worldometer Australian graph and discovered:

If you point at the graph line it shows the number of cases for the day, but for the Australian cases/day it doesn’t show anything before July 2021. However if you click to display the 3day moving average line, that does display, showing a maximum of 30/day for the first half of 2021.

Yes, a very small – one or two pixels? – bump here and there.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-australia-border-closures-backpackers-tourists-return/100782424

“…..According to Margy Osmond, the chief executive of the Tourism & Transport Forum Australia, the “code red” decision was the latest in a long line of hits to the industry and Australia’s global reputation…..”

“Ryan Hanly, the chief executive and co-founder of Australian backpacker-focused travel group Travello, agreed”

……“From my talks with colleagues overseas, the way the rest of Australia is looking at WA on opening up is the way the rest of the world is looking at Australia”…..

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hopefully arranged that above right, by memory as read it, others can check for themselves, it could be wrong

crosseyed derr look

I wonder if margy actually said that exactly, and what is Australia’s global reputation meant to do in the reader’s brain, is Australia subordinate, and its people subordinate to some hierarchy from the global level down, or internationally wandering loyalties

i’m reminded there are locals that actually vote, citizens, borders and elected governments to administer the territories within

as I see it many Australians are adjusting to the impositions of the policy of endemic covid, many are resisting by avoiding catching and transmitting covid

i’ll go have look-see at the casualty numbers in a moment, see how many individuals the endemicists helped end the lives of prematurely

And so the circle of life continues

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-omicron-ba2-subvariant-may-become-dominant-australia/100792066

A more infectious strain of the Omicron variant that arrived from South Africa last month may soon be dominant in Australia, federal government’s health professionals say.

being that the news cycle and political and population responses seem to take 2 to 4 weeks from actual scientific awareness, here’s to every likelihood that it’s already dominant

also

Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Michael Kidd said it was too early to tell whether the BA.2 subvariant caused more severe disease. However, he said if it did, it might be categorised as a new variant. “If this BA.2 subvariant is shown to have more distinct clinical characteristics, then the World Health Organization may become a variant of its own, but it is too early to speculate on that,” he said.

being that the downplay disinformation habit would turn an equally nasty thing into a mild thing, we suppose this new one really is more severe

ChrispenEvan said:

Booster today.

‘e means catch up shot

All older Australians could be approved for a second booster shot as experts weigh up the benefits of a fourth dose for the non-immunocompromised.

Today’s Qld figures
Total deaths 199.

giggle

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-01-31/gofundme-freezes-canberra-covid-truck-convoy-money/100792930

Michael V said:

giggle

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-01-31/gofundme-freezes-canberra-covid-truck-convoy-money/100792930

good.

I posted some of the Canadian protest photos yesterday but no one commented.

Aged homes undervaccinated

Still, the bright side is the savings on pensions.

ChrispenEvan said:

Aged homes undervaccinated

Still, the bright side is the savings on pensions.

Mind you, having the residents vaccinated doesn’t prevent outbreaks. My mother is double vaxxed and was boosted around 20th December. They had an outbreak closing the doors on 24th December. They had 3 residents and 3 staff test positive. I didn’t hear of any deaths from that.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

giggle

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-01-31/gofundme-freezes-canberra-covid-truck-convoy-money/100792930

good.

I posted some of the Canadian protest photos yesterday but no one commented.

I didn’t see them. But I wouldn’t‘ve commented either. Canada, USA etc are not high on my interest list.

Cooking new and different meals is.

Mrs V’s niece and nephew are coming to visit (from disease-riddled Sydney) in three weeks. I’m not at all happy about this, but she wants to see them and is willing to take the risk. I’m not, but I’m not willing to take the risk of ruining our relationship either.

I’ve told Mrs V that if either of us dies from COVID, I won’t speak to her ever again.

;)

In the space of ten days the number of active cases in Australia has declined from about 860000 to 270000.

dv said:

In the space of ten days the number of active cases in Australia has declined from about 860000 to 270000.

Still way, way too many.

Michael V said:

dv said:

In the space of ten days the number of active cases in Australia has declined from about 860000 to 270000.

Still way, way too many.

Sure but I’m a little bit heartened that it is not still exponentiating.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

In the space of ten days the number of active cases in Australia has declined from about 860000 to 270000.

Still way, way too many.

Sure but I’m a little bit heartened that it is not still exponentiating.

exponential decay would have been nice

Two nephews and a neice of mine have all recently caught Covid in Canberra.

Their father (my brother in law) also knows someone who caught covid and died within 48 hours of being diagnosed.

All four people were fully vaccinated.

mollwollfumble said:

Their father (my brother in law) also knows someone who caught covid and died within 48 hours of being diagnosed.

Do you know how old they were?

Sorry for your losses, roughie. At least you can be content in the knowledge that being vaccinated saved most of their lives.

dv said:

Sorry for your losses, roughie. At least you can be content in the knowledge that being vaccinated saved most of their lives.

You mean moll.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Sorry for your losses, roughie. At least you can be content in the knowledge that being vaccinated saved most of their lives.

You mean moll.

uh yeah

ChrispenEvan said:

wait that looks like that Coatsworth fella

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Sorry for your losses, roughie. At least you can be content in the knowledge that being vaccinated saved most of their lives.

You mean moll.

uh yeah

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

wait that looks like that Coatsworth fella

cillian and leonardo

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

wait that looks like that Coatsworth fella

cillian and leonardo

scarecrow deputy chief medical officer

standing by in 3, 2, 1, …

propaganda

laugh out loud “waiting” to happen compared to oh what

right but to be fair perhaps Australian media are largely written in English and if we normalise for the degree to which each country is English-using then what

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

mollwollfumble said:

Still rising.

I take it that you are all self-isolating – Not.

we do ask all the party animals why rush to isolate now when after COVID-19 you could isolate for eternity in your own little wooden room for eternity

i’d happily make cheap wooden rooms for and specifically for endemicists

yeah but

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/it-repelled-four-waves-but-hong-kong-s-covid-zero-strategy-may-be-collapsing-20220131-p59sou.html

However, after more than two years of focus on keeping daily cases at or near zero, officials haven’t communicated any clear exit plan for the pandemic, and it’s unlikely that Lam’s government can formulate one without Beijing’s sign-off. With China firmly wedded to COVID zero, the city’s health authorities will likely focus on more testing and lockdowns, said Nicholas Thomas, an associate professor at the City University of Hong Kong who has edited several books on pandemics and politics. He added that having a large number of people innoculated with the less-effective Sinovac Biotech vaccine is an additional hurdle. “The political decision to pursue zero-COVID above the realities on a globally endemic virus leaves no room for any sort of policy innovation that would allow Hong Kong the space to live with the virus,” he said.

here’s a hint you dumbfucks

they don’t need an exit plan right now, because what they actually need is the absence of an entry plan

Institute Director and infectious disease expert Jonathan Carapetis said the use of masks, increased ventilation, and HEPA filters could reduce the risk of transmission by about 50 per cent. “All three are critical,” Professor Carapetis said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-rules-adopted-in-wa-schools-amid-vaccination-warning/100792246

so with all the suggested measures they manage to reduce R from 8 to 4, school to carry on, seems a bit inferior really, perhaps they should recommend stay outdoors and wear N95+ masks and reduce it from 8 to 0.008 instead but hey it’s not like there’s much room outside in WA or anywhere in Australia right

SCIENCE said:

Institute Director and infectious disease expert Jonathan Carapetis said the use of masks, increased ventilation, and HEPA filters could reduce the risk of transmission by about 50 per cent. “All three are critical,” Professor Carapetis said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-rules-adopted-in-wa-schools-amid-vaccination-warning/100792246

so with all the suggested measures they manage to reduce R from 8 to 4, school to carry on, seems a bit inferior really, perhaps they should recommend stay outdoors and wear N95+ masks and reduce it from 8 to 0.008 instead but hey it’s not like there’s much room outside in WA or anywhere in Australia right

testing and monitoring into endemic equilibrium, page has the usual fondness of uniformity across the country, probably extending to elsewhere in the world, give it to the kiddies helps make it all normal, young recruits, be another decade before they form a concept of ideological apparatus

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Institute Director and infectious disease expert Jonathan Carapetis said the use of masks, increased ventilation, and HEPA filters could reduce the risk of transmission by about 50 per cent. “All three are critical,” Professor Carapetis said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-rules-adopted-in-wa-schools-amid-vaccination-warning/100792246

so with all the suggested measures they manage to reduce R from 8 to 4, school to carry on, seems a bit inferior really, perhaps they should recommend stay outdoors and wear N95+ masks and reduce it from 8 to 0.008 instead but hey it’s not like there’s much room outside in WA or anywhere in Australia right

testing and monitoring into endemic equilibrium, page has the usual fondness of uniformity across the country, probably extending to elsewhere in the world, give it to the kiddies helps make it all normal, young recruits, be another decade before they form a concept of ideological apparatus

good idea, make it their duty, when they grow up and some of them manage to dodge the COVID-19 induced infertility and have their own targets of abuse they can force infection upon them too, say we all had to catch it and get fucked by it, so everyone else after us should too

“Queensland’s new COVID deaths

Eight of the 10 deaths recorded overnight were in aged care homes.

Two people were in their 70s, four in their 80s and four in their 90s.

Two people were unvaccinated, eight had received two doses of vaccine and none had received boosters.”

——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————- :(

:(
——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-01/covid-live-blog-omicron-wave-return-to-school-case-numbers/100794216

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

Institute Director and infectious disease expert Jonathan Carapetis said the use of masks, increased ventilation, and HEPA filters could reduce the risk of transmission by about 50 per cent. “All three are critical,” Professor Carapetis said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-31/covid-rules-adopted-in-wa-schools-amid-vaccination-warning/100792246

so with all the suggested measures they manage to reduce R from 8 to 4, school to carry on, seems a bit inferior really, perhaps they should recommend stay outdoors and wear N95+ masks and reduce it from 8 to 0.008 instead but hey it’s not like there’s much room outside in WA or anywhere in Australia right

testing and monitoring into endemic equilibrium, page has the usual fondness of uniformity across the country, probably extending to elsewhere in the world, give it to the kiddies helps make it all normal, young recruits, be another decade before they form a concept of ideological apparatus

good idea, make it their duty, when they grow up and some of them manage to dodge the COVID-19 induced infertility and have their own targets of abuse they can force infection upon them too, say we all had to catch it and get fucked by it, so everyone else after us should too

Oooh Good News It’s Milder In Vaccinated Slash Previously Infected Adults

Stupid Children Can Go And Die Suffer For The Rest Of Their Short Lives

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

good idea, make it their duty, when they grow up and some of them manage to dodge the COVID-19 induced infertility and have their own targets of abuse they can force infection upon them too, say we all had to catch it and get fucked by it, so everyone else after us should too

Stupid Children Can Go And Die Suffer For The Rest Of Their Short Lives

ahahahahahahahaha

“We’re seeing more kids coming in with brain infections, infections of their gut, patients who are coming in with newly diagnosed diabetes, and so what we’re seeing is COVID is turning out to be quite unpredictable in children and is affecting them in ways that we maybe hadn’t seen previously,” she said.

https://katu.com/news/coronavirus/significant-increase-in-children-in-icu-with-covid-portland-doctor-says

Hasson says the percentage of children getting severely ill isn’t really changing. The difference is just that way more people are getting COVID.

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahaha

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahaha

Doesn’t seem all that funny but I guess you had to be there.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

testing and monitoring into endemic equilibrium, page has the usual fondness of uniformity across the country, probably extending to elsewhere in the world, give it to the kiddies helps make it all normal, young recruits, be another decade before they form a concept of ideological apparatus

good idea, make it their duty, when they grow up and some of them manage to dodge the COVID-19 induced infertility and have their own targets of abuse they can force infection upon them too, say we all had to catch it and get fucked by it, so everyone else after us should too

Oooh Good News It’s Milder In Vaccinated Slash Previously Infected Adults

Stupid Children Can Go And Die Suffer For The Rest Of Their Short Lives

Yesterday while reading some awful stuff said about Grace Tame I read a comment that we should be ashamed to be talking about that when children were dying of covid vaccs. So I said…BS. And then I was told to stop watching the evening news and start reading.

It was at this point when 3 ex forummers liked what I said and Skeptic Pete went for him. But he went quiet and did not supply the refs SP asked for.

I looked at the guys profile this morning. His last share was a meme from clive palmer. He has been sharing ugly stuff, anti lockdown, anti vax, and COVID is no worse that the flu shit for months and months. What got to me was the pictures of him and his kid with the kid’s mother removed with black texta.

Thanks to SP for going in against the nasty nutters.

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

good idea, make it their duty, when they grow up and some of them manage to dodge the COVID-19 induced infertility and have their own targets of abuse they can force infection upon them too, say we all had to catch it and get fucked by it, so everyone else after us should too

Oooh Good News It’s Milder In Vaccinated Slash Previously Infected Adults

Stupid Children Can Go And Die Suffer For The Rest Of Their Short Lives

Yesterday while reading some awful stuff said about Grace Tame I read a comment that we should be ashamed to be talking about that when children were dying of covid vaccs. So I said…BS. And then I was told to stop watching the evening news and start reading.

It was at this point when 3 ex forummers liked what I said and Skeptic Pete went for him. But he went quiet and did not supply the refs SP asked for.

I looked at the guys profile this morning. His last share was a meme from clive palmer. He has been sharing ugly stuff, anti lockdown, anti vax, and COVID is no worse that the flu shit for months and months. What got to me was the pictures of him and his kid with the kid’s mother removed with black texta.

Thanks to SP for going in against the nasty nutters.

Pity the poor offspring.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

ahahahahahahahaha

Hmmmmmm.

Pause for thought…

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

https://youtu.be/Yf-G6TUv3ck
Covid is now the leading cause of death among US law enforcement officers

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

they have to find them first and remember wasn’t the statistics manipulation strategy to ensure as many people die at home as possible

dv said:

https://youtu.be/Yf-G6TUv3ck
Covid is now the leading cause of death among US law enforcement officers

Yes but with Omnicom it’s a milder death.

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

they have to find them first and remember wasn’t the statistics manipulation strategy to ensure as many people die at home as possible

That is often a problem.
My brother died at home & we didn’t find him until he had partly liquified.

Spiny Norman said:

Ha!

dv said:

https://youtu.be/Yf-G6TUv3ck
Covid is now the leading cause of death among US law enforcement officers

Shit hey.

we’re just going to say

“All cases are now in quarantine and public health continues to investigate and monitor them,” Mr McGowan said.

Meanwhile, police have urged more than 24,000 people stuck outside of Western Australia to resubmit their G2G applications to re-enter the state ahead of an expansion of the travel exemption rules.

if some places had gotten serious about managing a pandemic properly and done the work to set up say decent quarantine systems as many have suggested almost 2 years ago

the whole back and forth uncertainty bullshit wouldn’t even be a thing

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

buffy said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

Maybe less police presence on the roads, ‘cos they’ve been too busy with Covid-related stuff. Such as rounding up Freedumb-fighters, monitoring quarantine people etc.

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Ha!

You see what happens when everyone is a bigger person than the others, and everyone is showing off what good drivers they are and tailgating and someone hits the brakes…

buffy said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

It might be unrelated but one possible connection is people avoiding public transport

buffy said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

People are shitty drivers and it’s only getting worse.

dv said:

buffy said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

It might be unrelated but one possible connection is people avoiding public transport

at least initially, we heard that car sales were doing better than ever

Victoria’s dictatorial regime has a lot to answer for, no doubt about that.

Peak Warming Man said:

Victoria’s dictatorial regime has a lot to answer for, no doubt about that.

maybe they all collapsed one lung and COVID-19 got the other so neither would have killed them alone but together the toll is huge

Spiny Norman said:

buffy said:

dv said:

The premier told Sky News he expected the number of Covid deaths to “remain stable” and that NSW should prepare for “a difficult fly season”.

“We expect those numbers to stay pretty consistent,” he said. “This is the new world.”

——

Difficult fly season?

Surely they are at least burying the decedents.

It certainly does suggest we are entering a new phase. Right now, and for the first time, Covid has become one of the major causes of death in Australia. Over the past couple of weeks it has made up approximately 12% of all fatalities nationwide.

According to Mr buffy, who watches the police news, road deaths in Victoria have been higher over the past 2 years than usual. Not sure how to blame the virus for that.

People are shitty drivers and it’s only getting worse.

Years ago when the NT rolled back their unrestricted speed on country roads, the road fatalities went up and many in here put it down to a “Statistical anomaly”.

anyway we mean someone could just fkn fact check but hey the source is government propaganda so who knows whether you can trust them

https://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/lives-lost-annual

there we knew it, it’s simply ‘cause 2020 left a heap of dry tinder around

Qld Covid figures:
Total Covid deaths 209

Tamb said:

Qld Covid figures:
Total Covid deaths 209

Fark. It sat on 7 for quite a long time.

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

Peak Warming Man said:

Victoria’s dictatorial regime has a lot to answer for, no doubt about that.

There was even a night of the long knives a few months back.

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

oh come on you and we know full well that’s not how they want it, what they’d ideally be able to say is that today 100 more slightly-people are 100% dead, the important part is they aren’t worth a full person, something inferior

Spiny Norman said:

Tamb said:

Qld Covid figures:
Total Covid deaths 209

Fark. It sat on 7 for quite a long time.

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Tamb said:

Spiny Norman said:

Tamb said:

Qld Covid figures:
Total Covid deaths 209

Fark. It sat on 7 for quite a long time.

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Yeah. :(

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

should have read

when clearly the graph he was standing in front of, and trying to explain, showed that that day it had spiked again…

Speedy said:

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

should have read

when clearly the graph he was standing in front of, and trying to explain, showed that that day it had spiked again…

I saw that and thought that Casey might have had the wrong graph up or I might have had it all wrong, anyway it all goes very quickly in live TV and Radio these days.

Speedy said:

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

should have read

when clearly the graph he was standing in front of, and trying to explain, showed that that day it had spiked again…

punishing austere English teacher stare over glasses

lift your game

:) was the gist I got

Speedy said:

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

should have read

when clearly the graph he was standing in front of, and trying to explain, showed that that day it had spiked again…

“Clearly today case numbers are only doubling which is a lot less than the daily tripling of past weeks”

Peak Warming Man said:

Speedy said:

Speedy said:

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

should have read

when clearly the graph he was standing in front of, and trying to explain, showed that that day it had spiked again…

I saw that and thought that Casey might have had the wrong graph up or I might have had it all wrong, anyway it all goes very quickly in live TV and Radio these days.

It wasn’t Casey. It was this fellow standing in the middle.

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

one of these days we’ll get around to making a table of “span over which trend is favourable” for each day

SCIENCE said:

anyway we mean someone could just fkn fact check but hey the source is government propaganda so who knows whether you can trust them

https://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/lives-lost-annual

there we knew it, it’s simply ‘cause 2020 left a heap of dry tinder around

Onya. Thanks.

SCIENCE said:

Speedy said:

transition said:

i’m noticing the enthusiastic use of slight increase, and slight decrease, that sort of thing

slight, and similar language, suggests moderate, all helps getting to covid equilibrium

the absurdity of it is probably better demonstrated by saying thirty more people today are slightly dead

On ABC morning news recently, the newsreader read that the “downward trend is continuing”, when clearly that day it had spiked again to almost record level. He stumbled and fumbled, unconvincingly, but got through it.

one of these days we’ll get around to making a table of “span over which trend is favourable” for each day

don’t you be threatening to do useful and honest things with numbers and charts, how is everyone to get adjusted to endemic equilibrium if you demonstrate sustained downward trends

you’re potentially a threat to quarantineless international travel, an anti-covid terrorist, an anti-endemic terrorist

may the endemicists haunt you

Tamb said:

Spiny Norman said:

Tamb said:

Qld Covid figures:
Total Covid deaths 209

Fark. It sat on 7 for quite a long time.

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Shit!

Keep away from the unwell.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Spiny Norman said:

Fark. It sat on 7 for quite a long time.

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Shit!

Keep away from the unwell.

Have to spend 9 days in Cairns starting the 21st. Chemo again.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Shit!

Keep away from the unwell.

Have to spend 9 days in Cairns starting the 21st. Chemo again.

Good luck and keep your door locked.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Yes. Until the Economy must grow happened
More worrying for me are the 9 deaths in the Cairns and Hinterland area.

Shit!

Keep away from the unwell.

Have to spend 9 days in Cairns starting the 21st. Chemo again.

Uggghh. Surrounded by them.

Why are there so many COVID deaths in your neck of the woods?

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Shit!

Keep away from the unwell.

Have to spend 9 days in Cairns starting the 21st. Chemo again.

Uggghh. Surrounded by them.

Why are there so many COVID deaths in your neck of the woods?

Too many hippies and alternative lifestylers.

Dark Orange said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Have to spend 9 days in Cairns starting the 21st. Chemo again.

Uggghh. Surrounded by them.

Why are there so many COVID deaths in your neck of the woods?

Too many hippies and alternative lifestylers.

Ah. “Don’t put any synthetic drugs in my body” types.

“Tonga will enter a two-day nationwide lockdown from Wednesday night after recording two asymptomatic community cases of COVID-19.

Prime Minister Siaosi Sovaleni announced that the two cases had been working at the wharf in the capital Nuku’alofa and are now in isolation.

The Pacific Island nation had previously only reported one case of COVID-19 in October last year.

Outside of that Tonga had been COVID-free since the start of the pandemic.”

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Bugger. This is a perfect reminder that COVID can be transmitted via surfaces.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-02/covid-live-blog-omicron-wave-return-to-school-case-numbers/100797070

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

sarahs mum said:

Ah. The old “If some is good, more is better” fallacy.

There’s no success like excess.

But Which Is Better, 30 Reinfections Or 30 Booster Shots

I just read this.

https://spectator.com.au/2022/02/the-plot-against-natural-immunity/

which seems to suggest if we ignore dead people we don’t have a problem.

shrug that’s how eugenics natural selection works just calm down

Don’t Worry, It’s COVID-19 To The Rescue ¡

The thing that keeps me awake at night, and that COVID-19 will increase, is hospital overcrowding. I fear that overcrowding in WA hospitals could kill more people than COVID-19 in 2022. Hospital overcrowding is an odd term, I know. It sounds like I am saying people will die in a physical crowd at the hospital. What it really means is that, at most times in WA, there are far too many very ill or injured people needing acute medical care, and not enough staff or space to provide it. There is now overwhelming scientific evidence that hospital overcrowding kills people.

see, the increased demand from COVID-19 will only be temporary so we just need to let it overwhelm the system, then all the people who need care will die before they can catch it and count towards the pandemic, and then it won’t be crowded any more and people will stop dying for the rest of their lives

Today’s Qld figures:
Total deaths 225.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

I just read this.

https://spectator.com.au/2022/02/the-plot-against-natural-immunity/

which seems to suggest if we ignore dead people we don’t have a problem.

shrug that’s how eugenics natural selection works just calm down

Don’t Worry, It’s COVID-19 To The Rescue ¡

The thing that keeps me awake at night, and that COVID-19 will increase, is hospital overcrowding. I fear that overcrowding in WA hospitals could kill more people than COVID-19 in 2022. Hospital overcrowding is an odd term, I know. It sounds like I am saying people will die in a physical crowd at the hospital. What it really means is that, at most times in WA, there are far too many very ill or injured people needing acute medical care, and not enough staff or space to provide it. There is now overwhelming scientific evidence that hospital overcrowding kills people.

see, the increased demand from COVID-19 will only be temporary so we just need to let it overwhelm the system, then all the people who need care will die before they can catch it and count towards the pandemic, and then it won’t be crowded any more and people will stop dying for the rest of their lives

read some that spectator article, had the sensation of it being very unconvincing

probably few of the biggest dangers of repeat vaccinations with current vaccines is that after a virus mutation(new variant) the immune system will shoot off target in enough people it could be worse for them than no vaccine

the other danger is in that heightened immune system activity results in the immune system killing human cells, could be some part of your heart muscle, whatever could be cells only replace or divide forty to sixty times, maybe some already did sixty times, so pop, apoptosis, nothing left to replace it

I notice the word saturated slipped into what was writ also, I hope it wasn’t indirectly encouraging people to accept saturating the population with covid, forever, that could be really bad, maybe it already is

transition said:

probably few of the biggest dangers of repeat vaccinations with current vaccines is that after a virus mutation(new variant) the immune system will shoot off target in enough people it could be worse for them than no vaccine

at least as much a danger with infection so this much being equal seems vaccine is much safer than infection

transition said:

the other danger is in that heightened immune system activity results in the immune system killing human cells, could be some part of your heart muscle, whatever could be cells only replace or divide forty to sixty times, maybe some already did sixty times, so pop, apoptosis, nothing left to replace it

true, seems likely that a viral exponentiation would put antigen targets on more cells than a little introductory mRNA, and we guess them killer lymphocytes will be hitting the antigen presenting cells so we agree, virus seems far more dangerous than vaccine

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

probably few of the biggest dangers of repeat vaccinations with current vaccines is that after a virus mutation(new variant) the immune system will shoot off target in enough people it could be worse for them than no vaccine

at least as much a danger with infection so this much being equal seems vaccine is much safer than infection

well less covid, much less could be even safer, save inviting more of it with vaccination, seems an odd thing to do to increase covid with vaccination, not much better than spreading warts around intentionally, but at least you can see warts I guess, after they form and are big enough, if a person looked for them

I guess covid will be as ubiquitous as the various wart viruses eventually, on the hand rails, wherever surfaces, but of course covid has that bigger transmission dimension, the exchange of air people breathe

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

transition said:

probably few of the biggest dangers of repeat vaccinations with current vaccines is that after a virus mutation(new variant) the immune system will shoot off target in enough people it could be worse for them than no vaccine

at least as much a danger with infection so this much being equal seems vaccine is much safer than infection

well less covid, much less could be even safer, save inviting more of it with vaccination, seems an odd thing to do to increase covid with vaccination, not much better than spreading warts around intentionally, but at least you can see warts I guess, after they form and are big enough, if a person looked for them

I guess covid will be as ubiquitous as the various wart viruses eventually, on the hand rails, wherever surfaces, but of course covid has that bigger transmission dimension, the exchange of air people breathe

Yes it would be nice if the vaccines were better at preventing transmission than they are right now.

Michael V said:

“Tonga will enter a two-day nationwide lockdown from Wednesday night after recording two asymptomatic community cases of COVID-19.

Prime Minister Siaosi Sovaleni announced that the two cases had been working at the wharf in the capital Nuku’alofa and are now in isolation.

The Pacific Island nation had previously only reported one case of COVID-19 in October last year.

Outside of that Tonga had been COVID-free since the start of the pandemic.”

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Bugger. This is a perfect reminder that COVID can be transmitted via surfaces.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-02/covid-live-blog-omicron-wave-return-to-school-case-numbers/100797070

remember when it was hilariously ridiculous that people claimed that virus was being imported on frozen seafood

More information aboout Tonga’s new COVID cases. We’ll see where this leads us.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-02/tongas-covid-cases-rise-outbreak-not-linked-to-australian-aid/100798962

School Day no. 2

Dear school community,
Our school has been advised that a member of our school community has recently tested positive to COVID-19.
Students in Year 12 and staff who worked with this group of students may have had contact with a person who was infectious with COVID-19.
While testing and isolation is no longer mandatory for exposures in school settings, NSW Health has provided advice for the community following exposure to COVID-19 that should be considered when making decisions for your child and family. Please see the following link.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/management/people-exposed-to-covid

Speedy said:

School Day no. 2

Dear school community,
Our school has been advised that a member of our school community has recently tested positive to COVID-19.
Students in Year 12 and staff who worked with this group of students may have had contact with a person who was infectious with COVID-19.
While testing and isolation is no longer mandatory for exposures in school settings, NSW Health has provided advice for the community following exposure to COVID-19 that should be considered when making decisions for your child and family. Please see the following link.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/management/people-exposed-to-covid

put this here, for educational purposes, from the link

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The risk of infection with COVID-19 increases:
- with the amount of time you spend with someone who has COVID-19 and how closely you interacted with them
- when you are indoors (the risk is lower if you are outdoors)
- when you don’t wear a mask (the risk is much lower if the person you are with also wears a mask).
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sounds like good advise, I was however tempted to take the following part sentence and add it to the list, from three paragraphs above in the page, but thought that could possibly misrepresent the spirit and intention of what was written, so I won’t

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- As the number of people with COVID-19 increases
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I guess it’s sort of covered in ..amount of time you spend with someone..

transition said:

Speedy said:

School Day no. 2

Dear school community,
Our school has been advised that a member of our school community has recently tested positive to COVID-19.
Students in Year 12 and staff who worked with this group of students may have had contact with a person who was infectious with COVID-19.
While testing and isolation is no longer mandatory for exposures in school settings, NSW Health has provided advice for the community following exposure to COVID-19 that should be considered when making decisions for your child and family. Please see the following link.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/management/people-exposed-to-covid

put this here, for educational purposes, from the link

—————————————————
The risk of infection with COVID-19 increases:
- with the amount of time you spend with someone who has COVID-19 and how closely you interacted with them
- when you are indoors (the risk is lower if you are outdoors)
- when you don’t wear a mask (the risk is much lower if the person you are with also wears a mask).
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sounds like good advise, I was however tempted to take the following part sentence and add it to the list, from three paragraphs above in the page, but thought that could possibly misrepresent the spirit and intention of what was written, so I won’t

—————————————————
- As the number of people with COVID-19 increases
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I guess it’s sort of covered in ..amount of time you spend with someone..

well obviously you’re wrong about that, that doesn’t play into it at all, as long as you don’t spend the requisite time* with each specific individual someone then your risk is less than zero, it’s negative, it’s imaginary even if you aren’t square rooting them

*: 15 minutes wasn’t it, as long as you finish your business within 14 minutes 55 seconds you’re all good

obviously

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

oh come on you alarmists you know this is actually good news

there will be no dying of COVID-19, there will be no dying with COVID-19, there won’t even be Living With® COVID-19, because

what COVID-19 ¿

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

“Going to”, you illiterate guttersnipe.

ahahahahahahahahahaha

SARS-CoV-2 invades cognitive centers of the brain and induces Alzheimer’s-like neuropathology

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.31.478476v1

ahahahahahahahaha

sorry

can’t remember what we were laughing about

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

“Going to”, you illiterate guttersnipe.

actually the modern expression is

“a get test”

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

“Going to”, you illiterate guttersnipe.

I’m an OAP now so please show some respect!

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

“Going to”, you illiterate guttersnipe.

haven’t heard that word for a while…

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

gunna get tested?

“Going to”, you illiterate guttersnipe.

I’m an OAP now so please show some respect!

OK.

“Going to”, you illiterate OAP guttersnipe.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

the advice is only if I am symptomatic..

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

the school that I have been working with for the last three days has also had students that have tested positive… I have a couple of things in my favour
1 I was working with year 10s and the outbreak has been in yr 12s
2 I have not been on their campus (the yr 10s have come to uni)
3. the teachers of these yr tens have been working only with the yr tens for three days because it’s been ‘career’ week, so not moving from class to class as they normally would have
4. they have all been wearing masks for the majority of the time (especially inside the classroom)
5. I have been lecturing, so way in front of them.. the few times I ‘mingled’ I have worn a mask
6. the two people from my team who HAVE gone to the school campus and HAVE been in contact with the yr 12’s I had lunch with outside and not near, and only for about 20 – 30 mins..

my instructions are to monitor for symptoms…

I think I’ll be ok..

gunna get tested?

the advice is only if I am symptomatic..

actually the close contacts have to get tested, if any of them are positive.. then I will too… in the mean time I’m coughing over everything. (Not really I have isolated myself from the family and cooked dinner with a mask on)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60208523

NHS ‘riddled with racism’ against ethnic minority doctors

don’t worry the education system will make up for it

Arts said:

Arts said:

ChrispenEvan said:

gunna get tested?

the advice is only if I am symptomatic..

actually the close contacts have to get tested, if any of them are positive.. then I will too… in the mean time I’m coughing over everything. (Not really I have isolated myself from the family and cooked dinner with a mask on)

it’s a pain but gotta be done.

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

What?

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

Hold on…everybody turns into a teenager?

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

Do you not have a dishwasher?

Or a child that could and should wash the dishes?

sibeen said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

Hold on…everybody turns into a teenager?

shudder…

Kingy said:

Or a child that could and should wash the dishes?

ROFL

Kingy said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

so what’s he warning them about? like peeps are going to die? (we know that). we will suddenly grow a second head? there will be a super human snap evolution that makes them invisible to covid with the side effect of being unable to put their dishes away so the world is suddenly just packed with dishes on every corner rendering electric scooters useless?

Do you not have a dishwasher?

Or a child that could and should wash the dishes?

yes to all three.

sibeen said:

Kingy said:

Or a child that could and should wash the dishes?

ROFL

I don’t have childs. I just assumed that they did what you told them or you didn’t feed them.

not if you kill them all first

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

Hold on, hold on.

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

stoned once at university, the talk was good, then solved world hunger, just eat more food

SCIENCE said:

not if you kill them all first

oblivion finds us all eventually, some have an adaptive angle on others that find it sooner than themselves, are helpful that way

SCIENCE said:

not if you kill them all first

I mean, that is pretty stupid. What’s an underlying health problem, an ingrown toenail, a particularly angry boil, psoriasis in you butt crack?

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

not if you kill them all first

I mean, that is pretty stupid. What’s an underlying health problem, an ingrown toenail, a particularly angry boil, psoriasis in you butt crack?

asthma. being fat.

sarahs mum said:

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

not if you kill them all first

I mean, that is pretty stupid. What’s an underlying health problem, an ingrown toenail, a particularly angry boil, psoriasis in you butt crack?

asthma. being fat.

seems we all agree that the arseholes fronting press conferences most days are being stupid when they go on about how X people died Y unvaccinated Z underlying health problems

we’ll move on to next

So-Called Expert Isn’t A Mathematician Now, Is ‘E ¿

Think Of The Cost Of All That Wind Power

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

Makes sense if you are not dead yet then you may live a bit longer.

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

stoned once at university, the talk was good, then solved world hunger, just eat more food

How to solve world hunger. Hand out free weed.

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

stoned once at university, the talk was good, then solved world hunger, just eat more food

You were stoned for solving world hunger?

That’s not right.

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

there was a news story on tonight about some guy who lived to 100and something. the news promised us that he would share his secret of his long life after the break.. without skipping a beat, boy child said “not die”. and he’s right, that is the biggest secret to living a long life.

stoned once at university, the talk was good, then solved world hunger, just eat more food

You were stoned for solving world hunger?

That’s not right.

Was stoning ever right?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

stoned once at university, the talk was good, then solved world hunger, just eat more food

You were stoned for solving world hunger?

That’s not right.

Was stoning ever right?

Fair enough for that annoying guy who kept saying Jehovah.

Bit of an endemic enthusiast tale considering it’s ‘The Telegraph’ but interesting none the less:

…

Welcome to Denmark, where COVID is finished — again
By Richard Orange and Sarah Newey
February 3, 2022 — 8.00am

Copenhagen: Welcome to Denmark, where COVID-19 is over – again. On Wednesday AEDT, the Scandinavian nation became the first country in Europe to put an end to all coronavirus-related laws. In the eyes of the Danish government and, crucially, the vast majority of its 5.8 million citizens, the virus is no longer deemed a “critical threat to society”.

Cases remain high – very high – but the Danes have moved on.

Even if you test positive, there is no longer a legal obligation to self-isolate.

In the capital, Copenhagen, there was an atmosphere of cautious relief as people crammed into the Metro, on to commuter trains and buses, and shops without face masks for the first time since November.

Even the new, more transmissible BA.2 Omicron variant that dominates infections in Denmark could not put people off.

Tyra Grove Krause, director of infection preparedness at the infectious diseases agency SSI, said there was nothing for it but to let the new wave “run through the population”.

“With Omicron, it is impossible to stop the spread of infection, even with severe restrictions,” said Grove Krause, before predicting that natural immunity would now combine with Denmark’s high vaccination rates to send the latest wave into decline by the middle of this month.

As far as community health is concerned, COVID-19 is now on a par with the common cold.

“It’s fantastic and I’m happy that I can go out and be young again, that we can go out and do all the things we used to do,” Stine Thrane Andreasson, a student, told Sweden’s Sydsvenskan newspaper.

“I didn’t think that restrictions were going to be taken away so soon. It feels like you’re doing something illegal when you go into a shop without a face mask.”

Of course, Denmark has been here before. In September 2021, it did almost exactly the same thing, only to U-turn in early November when Omicron hit. Museums, cinemas, theatres and concert venues closed over Christmas and masks and vaccine passports were required for almost everything else.

In the face of uncertainty about the new variant, the country did not want to chance its health system being overwhelmed.

“Throughout the pandemic, our data shows that the key worry of Danes is not their own health, but overwhelmed hospitals,” says Michael Bang Petersen, a professor of political science and government adviser, who led the country’s largest behavioural project during the crisis.

Jens Flinck Bertelsen, an architect arriving for work in Copenhagen, noted there was an “ambivalent feeling”, given the high infection rates, and the fact that restrictions had been lifted before.

Just as Tuesdays’s opening passed without angst or controversy, the same was true of November’s shutdown. Unlike in Sweden, or indeed much of the rest of the world, epidemiology in Denmark has not been politicised. Only the killing of up to 17 million mink in November 2020 generated real political heat.

Instead, social consensus and trust in government have been Denmark’s hallmarks. They are what many experts believe has made it one of the world’s top pandemic performers.

“If you have a strategy based on trust and solidarity, then you can actually open up with a relatively broad agreement, where the vulnerable and the elderly are accepting of the risks,” says Petersen.

The over-50s – 96 per cent of whom are fully vaccinated – are “taking on a personal responsibility” in order to allow younger groups to live life as normal again.

“Opening up doesn’t need to mean that you don’t care about the vulnerable in society, and it doesn’t mean that you don’t take coronavirus seriously,” he adds.

Instead, he suggests it’s “a trade-off” based on data – something that Denmark, with its world-class genetic sequencing and mass testing, has a lot of.

“What is interesting is that when we are looking at the opinion data that is available, even among the elderly there’s a majority who are supporting the lifting of restrictions,” says Petersen.

“You could say that a lot of young people have been showing solidarity with the elderly throughout the pandemic – and now the elderly are showing solidarity with the younger generations.”

A recent listing of 23 OECD countries compiled by The Economist put Denmark top for economic performance over the last two years.

Denmark managed this despite restrictions and while keeping deaths-per-million at the 640 mark, about half the Western European average.

Indeed, if you look at many of the global charts on health performance during the pandemic, you often find Denmark bunched not with its European neighbours, but with Singapore and other east Asian countries.

Some point to Denmark’s infection rates, which were until last week heading up vertically, as evidence the country may be unwinding too soon. But Søren Brostrøm, director of the Danish Health Authority, says with Denmark’s leading rate of vaccination and the relative mildness of the Omicron variant, it no longer makes sense to look at infection rates.

“I’m keeping my sights on the seriously ill, and looking at figures for inpatients in intensive care units – which have just kept falling and falling and are now incredibly low,” he told the broadcaster TV2.

Even if the lifting of restrictions does lead to a final spike in infections, he predicted that rates would drop away soon after. “We have sky-high immunity in the population, partly due to our large vaccine acceptance, but also from the wide spread of Omicron,” said Brostrøm.

So will Denmark’s latest reopening hold – and, if so, what does it mean for the rest of us?

Mette Frederiksen, the Prime Minister, said Wednesday it was too early to know if measures just lifted may have to make a comeback. In contrast to Boris Johnson’s broken promise last spring – that the UK exit roadmap would be “irreversible”, before introducing “Plan B” measures – Frederiksen said: “I dare not say that it is a final goodbye to restrictions. We do not know whether there will be a new variant.”

Fredriksen has had a good pandemic. Denmark was the first country in northern Europe to bring in lockdown, on March 11 2020, and quickly established a pattern of moving hard and fast – in either direction – based on what the data and the precautionary principle dictate.

Lone Simonsen, an epidemiologist at Roskilde University, says: “If you asked me to put a crystal ball in front of me, I would say: ‘I think that this is the last sort of lockdown-crazy pandemic wave.’

“Having gone through two, three, four pandemic waves – which is normal for recent historical pandemics – I imagine COVID control will similar to that of seasonal flu.”

Telegraph, London

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/welcome-to-denmark-where-covid-is-finished-again-20220203-p59te3.html

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You were stoned for solving world hunger?

That’s not right.

Was stoning ever right?

Fair enough for that annoying guy who kept saying Jehovah.

:)

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bit of an endemic enthusiast tale considering it’s ‘The Telegraph’ but interesting none the less:
…/cut by me transition/….

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/welcome-to-denmark-where-covid-is-finished-again-20220203-p59te3.html

i’d need talk to quite a sample to get a feel of what the real impositions, and distortions of life are, you certainly couldn’t be sure you’d get an accurate idea or feel of the possible impositions from reading that above

I expect Denmark may have exported some covid also, that’s not without its impositions elsewhere

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/28/aged-care-executive-condemns-scott-morrisons-strategy-of-pushing-through-covid-crisis

Link

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/like-sardines-experts-question-the-results-of-ventilation-audits-at-nsw-schools

Link

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/like-sardines-experts-question-the-results-of-ventilation-audits-at-nsw-schools

Link

“In one example, a 55.4 sq metre “teaching space” was originally classified as having capacity for 25 students. But a second audit conducted less than three weeks later found that 154 students could safely occupy the room.”

3 per sq m is cramming

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/like-sardines-experts-question-the-results-of-ventilation-audits-at-nsw-schools

Link

“In one example, a 55.4 sq metre “teaching space” was originally classified as having capacity for 25 students. But a second audit conducted less than three weeks later found that 154 students could safely occupy the room.”

3 per sq m is cramming

Standing room only.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/like-sardines-experts-question-the-results-of-ventilation-audits-at-nsw-schools

Link

“In one example, a 55.4 sq metre “teaching space” was originally classified as having capacity for 25 students. But a second audit conducted less than three weeks later found that 154 students could safely occupy the room.”

3 per sq m is cramming

Gosh!

Michael V said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/like-sardines-experts-question-the-results-of-ventilation-audits-at-nsw-schools

Link

“In one example, a 55.4 sq metre “teaching space” was originally classified as having capacity for 25 students. But a second audit conducted less than three weeks later found that 154 students could safely occupy the room.”

3 per sq m is cramming

Gosh!

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SCIENCE said:

So-Called Expert Isn’t A Mathematician Now, Is ‘E ¿

Think Of The Cost Of All That Wind Power

but nevertheless this so-called expert thinks ‘e is good at arithmetic

Remember When Marketing Took The Credit For McGowan Victory ¿

Premier Mark McGowan said the state would not be changing its strict isolation rules surrounding COVID cases in schools for now. Meanwhile, his decision to keep WA’s borders closed has received support from an unlikely source — Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who said today he realised WA was facing a different situation to other states. Asked if Mr McGowan had done the right thing by deferring the reopening, Mr Morrison told Nine Radio: “Yeah, I think he did.”

SCIENCE said:

Remember When Marketing Took The Credit

Federal lockdowns welcomed by Aboriginal group as COVID-19 spreads in NT

The federal government has halted access to dozens of remote NT communities as it promises to send new COVID-19 medications in the coming weeks.

mollwollfumble’s covid diary

Day -2
Mrs m salesgirl for op-shop all morning

Day -1
Mrs m salesgirl for op shop all morning

Day 0
mwf got third covid shot – booster
mwf went to car repair place – one mechanic off because his girlfriend has covid
mrs m has music lesson with two people
mwf was filing Idriess letters from 1933-1935 in another room.
Ate 5 slices of pizza for dinner, more than usual.
10:30 pm and later
mwf got sort throat breathing mrs m’s air while talking – twice. Took throat lozenge once..
mrs m complains of sore throat.

Day 1
Up at 3 am, can’t sleep much after that, up at 6:45 am
Took car to mechanic at 8 am. Feeling unusally tired on the walk home
Lots of stress over buying house for missy – the contract has the wrong settlement date and wrong deposit amount
4 pm Wrote a nasty email to real estate agent – my brains have left me and I said a really embarassingly stupid thing
Real estate agent rings back and we set things straight. Contract to be amended and sent out again.
All day wanting to go to bed but not going to bed. Exceptionally over tired
Thermometer 37.33 degrees, at top of normal range
Went to bed and had tourette’s for half an hour.
Hot belly and cold feet.
Took a demazin antihistamine – always makes me drousy. I get some rest but not sleep
Skipped dinner, feeling too unwell, dinner is a stock cube in hot water.
9:30 pm Temperature 38.05, high.

Goodnight for now.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble’s covid diary

Day -2
Mrs m salesgirl for op-shop all morning

Day -1
Mrs m salesgirl for op shop all morning

Day 0
mwf got third covid shot – booster
mwf went to car repair place – one mechanic off because his girlfriend has covid
mrs m has music lesson with two people
mwf was filing Idriess letters from 1933-1935 in another room.
Ate 5 slices of pizza for dinner, more than usual.
10:30 pm and later
mwf got sort throat breathing mrs m’s air while talking – twice. Took throat lozenge once..
mrs m complains of sore throat.

Day 1
Up at 3 am, can’t sleep much after that, up at 6:45 am
Took car to mechanic at 8 am. Feeling unusally tired on the walk home
Lots of stress over buying house for missy – the contract has the wrong settlement date and wrong deposit amount
4 pm Wrote a nasty email to real estate agent – my brains have left me and I said a really embarassingly stupid thing
Real estate agent rings back and we set things straight. Contract to be amended and sent out again.
All day wanting to go to bed but not going to bed. Exceptionally over tired
Thermometer 37.33 degrees, at top of normal range
Went to bed and had tourette’s for half an hour.
Hot belly and cold feet.
Took a demazin antihistamine – always makes me drousy. I get some rest but not sleep
Skipped dinner, feeling too unwell, dinner is a stock cube in hot water.
9:30 pm Temperature 38.05, high.

Goodnight for now.

So, you SUSPECT you have COVID, but continue about your normal business without a care in the world? Or you KNOW you have COVID and don’t give a sh!t about anyone else? Either way, bad form…

furious said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble’s covid diary

Day -2
Mrs m salesgirl for op-shop all morning

Day -1
Mrs m salesgirl for op shop all morning

Day 0
mwf got third covid shot – booster
mwf went to car repair place – one mechanic off because his girlfriend has covid
mrs m has music lesson with two people
mwf was filing Idriess letters from 1933-1935 in another room.
Ate 5 slices of pizza for dinner, more than usual.
10:30 pm and later
mwf got sort throat breathing mrs m’s air while talking – twice. Took throat lozenge once..
mrs m complains of sore throat.

Day 1
Up at 3 am, can’t sleep much after that, up at 6:45 am
Took car to mechanic at 8 am. Feeling unusally tired on the walk home
Lots of stress over buying house for missy – the contract has the wrong settlement date and wrong deposit amount
4 pm Wrote a nasty email to real estate agent – my brains have left me and I said a really embarassingly stupid thing
Real estate agent rings back and we set things straight. Contract to be amended and sent out again.
All day wanting to go to bed but not going to bed. Exceptionally over tired
Thermometer 37.33 degrees, at top of normal range
Went to bed and had tourette’s for half an hour.
Hot belly and cold feet.
Took a demazin antihistamine – always makes me drousy. I get some rest but not sleep
Skipped dinner, feeling too unwell, dinner is a stock cube in hot water.
9:30 pm Temperature 38.05, high.

Goodnight for now.

So, you SUSPECT you have COVID, but continue about your normal business without a care in the world? Or you KNOW you have COVID and don’t give a sh!t about anyone else? Either way, bad form…

Hi Furious. Welcome to the forum.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-03/aged-care-taskforce-covid-deaths-colbeck-resign-calls/100801768

There is something I don’t understand about setting up a taskforce basically to tabulate deaths in aged care. There are not all that many data points. One statistician could sort it out. Why is it necessary to have a taskforce? Mr buffy says it’s to prove (before an election) that they are doing something.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble’s covid diary

Day -2
Mrs m salesgirl for op-shop all morning

Day -1
Mrs m salesgirl for op shop all morning

Day 0
mwf got third covid shot – booster
mwf went to car repair place – one mechanic off because his girlfriend has covid
mrs m has music lesson with two people
mwf was filing Idriess letters from 1933-1935 in another room.
Ate 5 slices of pizza for dinner, more than usual.
10:30 pm and later
mwf got sort throat breathing mrs m’s air while talking – twice. Took throat lozenge once..
mrs m complains of sore throat.

Day 1
Up at 3 am, can’t sleep much after that, up at 6:45 am
Took car to mechanic at 8 am. Feeling unusally tired on the walk home
Lots of stress over buying house for missy – the contract has the wrong settlement date and wrong deposit amount
4 pm Wrote a nasty email to real estate agent – my brains have left me and I said a really embarassingly stupid thing
Real estate agent rings back and we set things straight. Contract to be amended and sent out again.
All day wanting to go to bed but not going to bed. Exceptionally over tired
Thermometer 37.33 degrees, at top of normal range
Went to bed and had tourette’s for half an hour.
Hot belly and cold feet.
Took a demazin antihistamine – always makes me drousy. I get some rest but not sleep
Skipped dinner, feeling too unwell, dinner is a stock cube in hot water.
9:30 pm Temperature 38.05, high.

Goodnight for now.

You’ll be fine once you’re over the flu.
Probably day 2 or 3.

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-03/aged-care-taskforce-covid-deaths-colbeck-resign-calls/100801768

There is something I don’t understand about setting up a taskforce basically to tabulate deaths in aged care. There are not all that many data points. One statistician could sort it out. Why is it necessary to have a taskforce? Mr buffy says it’s to prove (before an election) that they are doing something.

It’s just counting. They could grab the work experience kid from the ABC and give him a spreadsheet.

sibeen said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-03/aged-care-taskforce-covid-deaths-colbeck-resign-calls/100801768

There is something I don’t understand about setting up a taskforce basically to tabulate deaths in aged care. There are not all that many data points. One statistician could sort it out. Why is it necessary to have a taskforce? Mr buffy says it’s to prove (before an election) that they are doing something.

It’s just counting. They could grab the work experience kid from the ABC and give him a spreadsheet.

Oh no, please let me use a statistician or an actuary. Someone who might notice if they put a number in the wrong column…

apparently some tourist hospitality type businesses agree that Let It Rip® is worse for business but what would we know we haven’t watched the whole clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUw2DtzU1l8

from the communists at Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/965baa58-af12-4d69-b6b6-d9ed064554a5”:https://www.ft.com/content/965baa58-af12-4d69-b6b6-d9ed064554a5

The kids aren’t alright — and neither are their parents

in Washington Post, the idea of trust is a surprise

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/01/trust-lancet-covid-study/

Researchers are asking why some countries were better prepared for covid

turns out the new variant doesn’t cause lung disease, it causes mindfuck

https://theconversation.com/is-it-time-to-rethink-vaccine-mandates-for-dining-fitness-and-events-we-asked-5-experts-176356

Link

‘Live With the Virus’? For Australians, It’s Taken Some Getting Used To.
Australia once stamped out every Covid outbreak. Now it’s done with all that. The policy U-turn, and the soaring case numbers, caught many off guard.

By Yan Zhuang
Feb. 3, 2022, 4:38 a.m. ET

MELBOURNE, Australia — Nearly 95 percent of adults are vaccinated. The coronavirus is now milder. It’s the heart of summer, after a long year and a half of snap lockdowns and closed borders.

Australia, the government says, is ready to “live with the virus,” ready for the authorities to get out of people’s lives and let them make their own health decisions. Hit the pub, enjoy life, spend some money.

But many Australians, it seems, weren’t ready.

When one state announced that it was ending intensive contact tracing, a Facebook group popped up so people could do their own. After Australia’s prime minister declared lockdowns a thing of the past, so many residents of its two biggest cities stayed inside anyway as Omicron spiked that it was labeled a “shadow lockdown.” And even as the country’s borders opened for the first time since March 2020, this travel-loving nation mostly stayed put.

“That shift from ‘Covid is the worst thing imaginable’ to suddenly ‘it’s OK, we just open the floodgates now,’ I think that caused a lot of insecurity in people,” said Simon Benson, a doctor in Melbourne who has been inundated with calls from patients unsure what to do after testing positive.

Perhaps more than any other country, Australia in recent weeks has gone through a dizzying U-turn in its approach to the pandemic. For 18 months, it snuffed out every Covid outbreak, often through considerable public sacrifice. Then, late last year, the government declared itself done with all that: Australia would now “stare down” Omicron and “not go back.”

Suddenly, a nation that once imposed lockdowns over handfuls of cases was dealing with half a million active infections. Deaths, while still few by American or British standards, reached record highs. Australians accustomed to following official guidance and taking collective action to blunt a dangerous virus felt whiplash. And as case numbers started to fall, anxiety bled into resignation.

The country went from “lockdowns when you can’t even have another person visit your house to full pubs, clubs, ‘don’t worry about it,’” said Peter Collignon, a physician and professor of microbiology at the Australian National University.

Australia has taken a plunge that other countries in the Asia-Pacific region have been unready to emulate.

When Omicron started to circulate, many paused or rolled back promised reopenings. Japan reversed a decision to start letting in some students and businesspeople, South Korea suspended quarantine exemptions for incoming travelers, and Thailand halted a newly launched program to bring back tourists.

But Australia stuck to its plan, relaxing mask mandates and other restrictions and reopening its borders to international students and other visa holders. With a federal election looming and many Australians having endured hundreds of days of strict lockdown, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the country had to “move from a culture of mandates to a culture of responsibility.”

The key to reclaiming Australia’s suspended freedoms, Mr. Morrison said, was its vaccination campaign. But Omicron upended the widespread, if unrealistic, belief that high vaccination rates would end the threat of large-scale outbreaks, said Nancy Baxter, the head of the University of Melbourne’s school of population and global health.

“That was the narrative: ‘We’re all going to get vaccinated, and then we’re going to be able to party like it’s 2019,’” she said.

Instead, case numbers surged to previously unimaginable heights. The Omicron tide peaked at 150,000 new daily cases on Jan. 13. Before this wave, the country had never reached 3,000 cases in a day. And last Friday, Australia had its deadliest day of the pandemic, reporting 98 deaths.

The speed with which the variant spread left the authorities little time to acclimatize the population to the idea of widespread infection.

“It was kind of a ‘hope for the best and plan for the best’ approach,” Professor Baxter said. “So I think there’s a lot of resentment now about vaccines not being enough — whereas they would never have been enough.”

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This week, Mr. Morrison conceded that the authorities had raised people’s expectations for a summer rebirth too high.

“I think we were too optimistic, perhaps, and we could have communicated more clearly about the risks and challenges that we still faced,” he said.

To some in Australia, the abrupt shift looked like a political decision after months in which the pandemic response was nonpartisan and led by scientific experts, with clear lines of communication from the authorities to residents.

It’s unclear how the reopening will affect the election, which must be held by May. But Mr. Morrison, a conservative who first took office in 2018, is trailing in polls and has faced criticism as virus response systems have buckled under Omicron.

The country’s testing program, designed to quickly trace and contain small outbreaks, was quickly overwhelmed, with residents lining up outside centers overnight and some samples ruined because they sat around too long. Rapid antigen tests were also in short supply, which led retailers to charge more and prompted an investigation into allegations of price-gouging.

With caseloads skyrocketing, labor shortages became acute, hitting supply chains and leaving supermarket shelves bare. The situation was so dire that the government briefly considered letting juveniles drive forklifts.

Hospitals canceled elective surgeries and urged patients not to go to emergency rooms unless absolutely necessary. Deaths in nursing homes spiked, making up a third of all coronavirus-related fatalities in January.

In the face of these problems, some states reimposed mild restrictions in early January, closing nightclubs and reintroducing density limits. Western Australia, the only state still trying to suppress the virus, has delayed reopening its borders to the rest of the country.

Still, the worst of this Omicron wave may be over. Hospitalization rates have stabilized, and the health care system has avoided collapse. Death rates remain among the lowest for wealthy nations.

“If we want to compare ourselves to how the rest of the world has gone, we’re doing really well,” said Ian Mackay, a virologist at the University of Queensland.

But that’s not a standard all Australians are happy using, after having given up so much for so long to keep hospitalizations and deaths as close to zero as possible. “And I’m not sure I am either,” Professor Mackay said.

In Melbourne, where residents endured a total of 262 days of lockdown, able to leave home only to buy food or exercise, the whiplash has been particularly severe.

“We’ve been told it’s important to do everything we can to stop the spread, and now suddenly we’re being told we don’t have to,” said one resident, Laura Brennan, 26. “It’s a bit of a roller coaster.”

Ms. Brennan said she was so mentally exhausted that she had no energy for fear or panic as infections soared. While she still follows government restrictions, she said, she’s trying to live a normal life, going out with friends and taking a vacation in Tasmania.

Others, like Lisa O’Halloran, 36, went into self-imposed lockdowns as case numbers rose, getting groceries delivered and strictly limiting time spent outside the home.

As case numbers have fallen, Ms. O’Halloran has loosened up a bit but is still cautious. “I’m trying to find the balance between not going stir-crazy and physical health risk,” she said.

In South Australia, where the contract-tracing Facebook page was started, its activity has declined. More people have gotten used to the idea of living with the virus, said Luke Anderson, a moderator of the group, which has over 190,000 members.

Setting aside issues like the lack of rapid antigen tests and supply chain snarls, he said, “life isn’t really that bad.”

“It’s taken myself quite a while to come around to that,” he added. “I think it’s taken a lot of people a while. But I think it’s the right way.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/world/australia/australia-covid-policy.html?

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘Live With the Virus’? For Australians, It’s Taken Some Getting Used To.
…/cut by me transition/…

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/world/australia/australia-covid-policy.html?

read that

the fundamental problem was to use vaccination as a vote to release the virus, it’s radical plan, that normalized deception

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Link

Witty Rejoinder said:

‘Live With the Virus’? For Australians, It’s Taken Some Getting Used To.
Australia once stamped out every Covid outbreak. Now it’s done with all that. The policy U-turn, and the soaring case numbers, caught many off guard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/03/world/australia/australia-covid-policy.html?

“It was kind of a ‘hope for the best and plan for the best’ approach,” Professor Baxter said. “So I think there’s a lot of resentment now about vaccines not being enough — whereas they would never have been enough.”

I think that’s the main one, get enough people vaccinated and you’ll contain the virus was the mantra. That melded into “get a lot of jabs so you don’t die”.

our opinion is that Joyce should get back in his box and stop trying to put Australians in wooden ones

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-04/alan-joyce-likens-wa-border-rules-to-north-korea/100804344

but hey might someone heading up a travel company have a vested interest in pushing people to travel who knows

SCIENCE said:

our opinion is that Joyce should get back in his box and stop trying to put Australians in wooden ones

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-04/alan-joyce-likens-wa-border-rules-to-north-korea/100804344

but hey might someone heading up a travel company have a vested interest in pushing people to travel who knows

surely sth korea is also responsible for the border?

SCIENCE said:

our opinion is that Joyce should get back in his box and stop trying to put Australians in wooden ones

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-04/alan-joyce-likens-wa-border-rules-to-north-korea/100804344

but hey might someone heading up a travel company have a vested interest in pushing people to travel who knows

globalist border smashers maybe, possibly don’t like States at all, who knows, States are quite intimately tied to representative democracy in this country, perhaps whoever and the propaganda apparatus keen on propagating the messages can reveal their fondness or otherwise of representative democracy, i’m guessing some might see States as obstructions

meanwhile, endemic equilibrium covid has embarrassingly got into not a few old folks homes etc, where no matter how many jabs the oldies have no sane person would let it happen, or encourage policies that make it happen, or don’t stop it from happening

killing old people, well done, and there’s the isolation and all the rest of the bullshit

transition said:

SCIENCE said:

our opinion is that Joyce should get back in his box and stop trying to put Australians in wooden ones

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-04/alan-joyce-likens-wa-border-rules-to-north-korea/100804344

but hey might someone heading up a travel company have a vested interest in pushing people to travel who knows

globalist border smashers maybe, possibly don’t like States at all, who knows, States are quite intimately tied to representative democracy in this country, perhaps whoever and the propaganda apparatus keen on propagating the messages can reveal their fondness or otherwise of representative democracy, i’m guessing some might see States as obstructions

meanwhile, endemic equilibrium covid has embarrassingly got into not a few old folks homes etc, where no matter how many jabs the oldies have no sane person would let it happen, or encourage policies that make it happen, or don’t stop it from happening

killing old people, well done, and there’s the isolation and all the rest of the bullshit

how are airline companies mitigating their environmental impact

can’t watch TV news anymore, things have turned absurd-trying-to-be-normal

army working in aged care, dear God

conjure for a moment army personnel with dart guns loaded with covid booster shots, of course that isn’t what’s going to happen, but the reality is equally monty python

everyone shall have the vaccine, nobody shall work against endemic covid

How the heck do the government plan to keep accurate statistics if we’re not permitted to report negative test results?

mollwollfumble said:

How the heck do the government plan to keep accurate statistics if we’re not permitted to report negative test results?

You’re joking, right?

mollwollfumble said:

How the heck do the government plan to keep accurate statistics if we’re not permitted to report negative test results?

They don’t want to. If the numbers keep shrinking then they can claim they’re doing a great job.
As we know from painful experience, they just cannot manage that.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

How the heck do the government plan to keep accurate statistics if we’re not permitted to report negative test results?

They don’t want to. If the numbers keep shrinking then they can claim they’re doing a great job.
As we know from painful experience, they just cannot manage that.

According to Queensland health test results are no longer a metric they use, they use hospitalisations to measure the pandemic.

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

How the heck do the government plan to keep accurate statistics if we’re not permitted to report negative test results?

They don’t want to. If the numbers keep shrinking then they can claim they’re doing a great job.
As we know from painful experience, they just cannot manage that.

According to Queensland health test results are no longer a metric they use, they use hospitalisations to measure the pandemic.

So they aren’t really tracking the numbers.

Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

They don’t want to. If the numbers keep shrinking then they can claim they’re doing a great job.
As we know from painful experience, they just cannot manage that.

According to Queensland health test results are no longer a metric they use, they use hospitalisations to measure the pandemic.

So they aren’t really tracking the numbers.

They can estimate numbers if they know the percentage of hospitalisations to cases.

Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

They don’t want to. If the numbers keep shrinking then they can claim they’re doing a great job.
As we know from painful experience, they just cannot manage that.

According to Queensland health test results are no longer a metric they use, they use hospitalisations to measure the pandemic.

So they aren’t really tracking the numbers.

Speaking earlier, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer said the state is now more reliant on hospitalisations to measure COVID instead of focusing on the number of positive test results.

“The numbers of positive tests do not really mean anything. We identified yesterday from the Gold Coast study that … for every person who had a clear diagnosis from a PCR test there were 5 to 10 others that were not aware they were positive, so the published numbers probably don’t reflect the reality, we know they don’t reflect the reality,” Dr John Gerrard said.

“That’s why hospital admissions are a more useful marker even though they do lag a bit.

Peak Warming Man said:

Spiny Norman said:

Peak Warming Man said:

According to Queensland health test results are no longer a metric they use, they use hospitalisations to measure the pandemic.

So they aren’t really tracking the numbers.

Speaking earlier, Queensland’s Chief Health Officer said the state is now more reliant on hospitalisations to measure COVID instead of focusing on the number of positive test results.

“The numbers of positive tests do not really mean anything. We identified yesterday from the Gold Coast study that … for every person who had a clear diagnosis from a PCR test there were 5 to 10 others that were not aware they were positive, so the published numbers probably don’t reflect the reality, we know they don’t reflect the reality,” Dr John Gerrard said.

“That’s why hospital admissions are a more useful marker even though they do lag a bit.

I knew that NSW had given up a while back, it’s a shame that we have as well. But I an understand it, the numbers are too large and widespread to do any effective isolation to contain the virus.
A good example is the wastewater testing.

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/wastewater

The paragraph under the table – “Has the program changed recently?
Yes, Queensland Health’s wastewater surveillance program continues to adapt to the changing COVID-19 situation. Sampling has ceased at a number of sites as the benefit of continued monitoring at these sites has diminished with increasing case numbers.”

Code Yellow at our hospital today.

Hospital at full capacity, no room for new admissions.

My sister tells me of a lady who woke up not feeling well. Did a rat. It was negative. So she went and played competition bridge all day in a hall of old farts. She woke the next day feeling worse and she went to an eye appt and she was feeling worse still and so she went for a real test. And she was positive.

sarahs mum said:

My sister tells me of a lady who woke up not feeling well. Did a rat. It was negative. So she went and played competition bridge all day in a hall of old farts. She woke the next day feeling worse and she went to an eye appt and she was feeling worse still and so she went for a real test. And she was positive.

Is her name Mary?