Date: 21/11/2023 00:28:00
From: dv
ID: 2096305
Subject: today I learned

William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

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Date: 21/11/2023 02:26:06
From: Kingy
ID: 2096318
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

What about Alexander?

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Date: 21/11/2023 02:26:06
From: Kingy
ID: 2096319
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

What about Alexander?

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Date: 21/11/2023 02:46:31
From: dv
ID: 2096321
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

What about Alexander?

I can only count one. Maybe I’m wrong?

Also TIL that the de jure capital of Bolivia is Sucre, not La Paz. Huh.

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Date: 21/11/2023 02:52:34
From: Kingy
ID: 2096322
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_founded_by_Alexander_the_Great

I missed the part about the cities he founded being national capitals. My bad.

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Date: 21/11/2023 12:00:48
From: party_pants
ID: 2096402
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

OK, I’ll ask the question – how is Nassau related to William III ? Kingston = King’s Town, I get that one.

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Date: 21/11/2023 12:05:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2096403
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

William III is the only person to have two national capitals named after him (Kingston and Nassau).

OK, I’ll ask the question – how is Nassau related to William III ? Kingston = King’s Town, I get that one.

William III of England, Prince of Orange-Nassau.

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Date: 21/11/2023 23:07:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2096556
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:28:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2097016
Subject: re: today I learned

The concentrated yeast paste first marketed as Marmite, then Vegemite etc, was invented by a German scientist, Justus von Liebig.

He also developed beef extracts that later became Oxo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite#History

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:15:59
From: dv
ID: 2097026
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The concentrated yeast paste first marketed as Marmite, then Vegemite etc, was invented by a German scientist, Justus von Liebig.

He also developed beef extracts that later became Oxo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite#History


Is there a modern German equivalent to Marmite?

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:19:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2097028
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

The concentrated yeast paste first marketed as Marmite, then Vegemite etc, was invented by a German scientist, Justus von Liebig.

He also developed beef extracts that later became Oxo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite#History


Is there a modern German equivalent to Marmite?

Yes, Vitam-R, milder and less salty.

https://www.vitam.de/en/

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:29:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2097031
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

The concentrated yeast paste first marketed as Marmite, then Vegemite etc, was invented by a German scientist, Justus von Liebig.

He also developed beef extracts that later became Oxo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite#History


Is there a modern German equivalent to Marmite?

Yes, Vitam-R, milder and less salty.

https://www.vitam.de/en/

OK, my German is practically non-existent, but, brotaufstrich

‘Brot’ is bread. ‘Auf’ is on. And i’m guessing that ‘strich’ is ‘stretch’, ‘stroke’, ‘spread’ or similar.

So, ‘brotaufstrich’ is ‘bread, on, spread’? German minimalism, reduced from ‘get bread, on it, spread this’, maybe?

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:35:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2097036
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Is there a modern German equivalent to Marmite?

Yes, Vitam-R, milder and less salty.

https://www.vitam.de/en/

OK, my German is practically non-existent, but, brotaufstrich

‘Brot’ is bread. ‘Auf’ is on. And i’m guessing that ‘strich’ is ‘stretch’, ‘stroke’, ‘spread’ or similar.

So, ‘brotaufstrich’ is ‘bread, on, spread’? German minimalism, reduced from ‘get bread, on it, spread this’, maybe?

Aye, just means bread spread.

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:38:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2097039
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes, Vitam-R, milder and less salty.

https://www.vitam.de/en/

OK, my German is practically non-existent, but, brotaufstrich

‘Brot’ is bread. ‘Auf’ is on. And i’m guessing that ‘strich’ is ‘stretch’, ‘stroke’, ‘spread’ or similar.

So, ‘brotaufstrich’ is ‘bread, on, spread’? German minimalism, reduced from ‘get bread, on it, spread this’, maybe?

Aye, just means bread spread.

But, the Germans just love a chance to combine two or three short words into one unwieldy word, don’t they?

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:43:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2097040
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

OK, my German is practically non-existent, but, brotaufstrich

‘Brot’ is bread. ‘Auf’ is on. And i’m guessing that ‘strich’ is ‘stretch’, ‘stroke’, ‘spread’ or similar.

So, ‘brotaufstrich’ is ‘bread, on, spread’? German minimalism, reduced from ‘get bread, on it, spread this’, maybe?

Aye, just means bread spread.

But, the Germans just love a chance to combine two or three short words into one unwieldy word, don’t they?

It can become rather ridiculous, as in the German word for food intolerance: Nahrungsmittelunverträglichkeit.

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Date: 24/11/2023 03:20:54
From: Ogmog
ID: 2097055
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/why-english-is-a-germanic-language/

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Date: 24/11/2023 10:42:57
From: dv
ID: 2097127
Subject: re: today I learned

Monaco has no income tax except for French citizens.

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Date: 24/11/2023 21:57:55
From: Kingy
ID: 2097383
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Monaco has no income tax except for French citizens.

Well, they deserve it. They should be more friendly to visitors to Paris.

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Date: 25/11/2023 14:21:14
From: party_pants
ID: 2097528
Subject: re: today I learned

The Red Rooster Line of Sydney.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-25/disadvantaged-students-medicine-university/103141050

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Date: 30/11/2023 18:29:50
From: dv
ID: 2098830
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned that Julio Iglesias has a sister 61 years younger than him.

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Date: 30/11/2023 18:31:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2098831
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned that Julio Iglesias has a sister 61 years younger than him.

That’s a bit disturbing.

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Date: 30/11/2023 18:32:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2098832
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned that Julio Iglesias has a sister 61 years younger than him.

not a half sister?

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Date: 30/11/2023 19:01:48
From: dv
ID: 2098840
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Today I learned that Julio Iglesias has a sister 61 years younger than him.

not a half sister?

Oh yeah half sister

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Date: 30/11/2023 19:37:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2098849
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Today I learned that Julio Iglesias has a sister 61 years younger than him.

not a half sister?

Oh yeah half sister

good.

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Date: 30/11/2023 19:48:48
From: dv
ID: 2098852
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

not a half sister?

Oh yeah half sister

good.

Not a record though. For instance Ace Ecclestone is 64 years younger than his half-sister Deborah Ecclestone. Presumably there are non-famous pairs with bigger gaps.

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Date: 3/12/2023 14:55:32
From: dv
ID: 2099869
Subject: re: today I learned

The difference between a Sloppy Joe and a regular burger is that the meat is cooked loose instead of forming a patty, even though it is eaten between two hamburger buns.

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Date: 3/12/2023 23:47:58
From: dv
ID: 2100013
Subject: re: today I learned

The words bulwark and boulevard derive from the same root.

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Date: 7/12/2023 11:32:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2100751
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learnt about puddled iron. The Eiffel Tower is an example of a structure made from puddled iron.

>Puddling is the process of converting pig iron to bar (wrought) iron in a coal fired reverberatory furnace. It was developed in England during the 1780s. The molten pig iron was stirred in a reverberatory furnace, in an oxidizing environment to burn the carbon, resulting in wrought iron. It was one of the most important processes for making the first appreciable volumes of valuable and useful bar iron (malleable wrought iron) without the use of charcoal. Eventually, the furnace would be used to make small quantities of specialty steels.

Though it was not the first process to produce bar iron without charcoal, puddling was by far the most successful, and replaced the earlier potting and stamping processes, as well as the much older charcoal finery and bloomery processes. This enabled a great expansion of iron production to take place in Great Britain, and shortly afterwards, in North America. That expansion constitutes the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution so far as the iron industry is concerned. Most 19th century applications of wrought iron, including the Eiffel Tower, bridges, and the original framework of the Statue of Liberty, used puddled iron.

Schematic drawing of a puddling furnace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddling_(metallurgy)

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Date: 7/12/2023 20:37:17
From: dv
ID: 2100951
Subject: re: today I learned

Johnston (or Johnston Sans) is a sans-serif typeface designed by and named after Edward Johnston. The typeface was commissioned in 1913 by Frank Pick, commercial manager of the Underground Electric Railways Company of London (also known as ‘The Underground Group’), as part of his plan to strengthen the company’s corporate identity. Johnston was originally created for printing (with a planned height of 1 inch or 2.5 cm), but it rapidly became used for the enamel station signs of the Underground system as well.

It has been the corporate font of public transport in London since the foundation of the London Passenger Transport Board in 1933, and of predecessor companies since its introduction in 1916, making its use one of the world’s longest-lasting examples of corporate branding. It was a copyrighted property of the LPTB’s successor, Transport for London, until Public Domain Day 2015 (Johnston died in 1944).

I have to hand it to Edward Johnston. The font is pleasant to look at and easy to read, not so quirky as to draw attention to itself but still distinctive enough to make one think of the Underground.

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Date: 7/12/2023 21:45:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2100959
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Johnston (or Johnston Sans) is a sans-serif typeface designed by and named after Edward Johnston. The typeface was commissioned in 1913 by Frank Pick, commercial manager of the Underground Electric Railways Company of London (also known as ‘The Underground Group’), as part of his plan to strengthen the company’s corporate identity. Johnston was originally created for printing (with a planned height of 1 inch or 2.5 cm), but it rapidly became used for the enamel station signs of the Underground system as well.

It has been the corporate font of public transport in London since the foundation of the London Passenger Transport Board in 1933, and of predecessor companies since its introduction in 1916, making its use one of the world’s longest-lasting examples of corporate branding. It was a copyrighted property of the LPTB’s successor, Transport for London, until Public Domain Day 2015 (Johnston died in 1944).

I have to hand it to Edward Johnston. The font is pleasant to look at and easy to read, not so quirky as to draw attention to itself but still distinctive enough to make one think of the Underground.

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Date: 7/12/2023 22:41:10
From: dv
ID: 2100962
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/1BBkFacaBHY?si=hLJPdC1l9pIxfoxB

We have voice recordings of only one person born in the 18th century:
Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke ( 26 October 1800 – 24 April 1891).

The two recordings were made by with Adelbert Theodor Wangemann, shortly before Moltke’s 89th birthday. He read excerpts rom Shakespeare and Goethe and also a congratulatory message for Edison.

Moltke had a remarkable military life, beginning with the Danish infantry in 1819 and eventually becoming a Fieldmarshall in the Prussian army in 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War, and a member of the Reichstag of a United Germany.

He also spent four years seconded to the Ottomans, reforming their military and offering advice on the war against Egypt.

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Date: 7/12/2023 23:44:22
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2100963
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtu.be/1BBkFacaBHY?si=hLJPdC1l9pIxfoxB

We have voice recordings of only one person born in the 18th century:
Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke ( 26 October 1800 – 24 April 1891).

The two recordings were made by with Adelbert Theodor Wangemann, shortly before Moltke’s 89th birthday. He read excerpts rom Shakespeare and Goethe and also a congratulatory message for Edison.

Moltke had a remarkable military life, beginning with the Danish infantry in 1819 and eventually becoming a Fieldmarshall in the Prussian army in 1870 in the Franco-Prussian War, and a member of the Reichstag of a United Germany.

He also spent four years seconded to the Ottomans, reforming their military and offering advice on the war against Egypt.

A very active person.

A good quality to have.

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:18:54
From: dv
ID: 2101872
Subject: re: today I learned

Polly is a nickname, or pet form, for Mary.

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:32:52
From: buffy
ID: 2101877
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Polly is a nickname, or pet form, for Mary.

As is Molly.

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:33:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2101878
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Polly is a nickname, or pet form, for Mary.

Well I didn’t know that.

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:37:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2101881
Subject: re: today I learned

Poll had a little lamb
She kept in in a bucket

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:39:06
From: buffy
ID: 2101883
Subject: re: today I learned

Not all my maternal great aunts went by their christened names. They were born between 1900 and 1910. Auntie Mollie’s name was Mary. Auntie Nellie’s name was Helene. I’d have to get out the family tree to find the rest.

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:39:19
From: dv
ID: 2101884
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Poll had a little lamb
She kept in in a bucket

Cause when she had to exit poll

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Date: 10/12/2023 18:53:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2101891
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

Polly is a nickname, or pet form, for Mary.

As is Molly.

Mary Meldrom. I did not know that although it does make sense.

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Date: 10/12/2023 19:03:12
From: Kingy
ID: 2101893
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Poll had a little lamb
She kept in in a bucket

Mary had a little lamb,
Her father shot it dead.
She still takes it to school each day,
Between two lumps of bread.

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Date: 14/12/2023 11:54:30
From: dv
ID: 2102915
Subject: re: today I learned

Salisbury steak has nothing to do with Salisbury UK or any place called Salisbury or the Marquess of Salisbury or anything like that.

James H. Salisbury (1823–1905) was an American physician and chemist known for his advocacy of a meat-centered diet to promote health, and the term Salisbury steak for a ground beef patty served as the main course has been used in the United States since 1897.


He believed vegetables and starchy foods produced poisonous substances in the digestive system which were responsible for heart disease, tumors, mental illness and tuberculosis. He believed that human dentition demonstrated that humans were meant to eat meat, and sought to limit vegetables, fruit, starches, and fats to one-third of the diet.

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Date: 14/12/2023 11:59:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2102920
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Salisbury steak has nothing to do with Salisbury UK or any place called Salisbury or the Marquess of Salisbury or anything like that.

James H. Salisbury (1823–1905) was an American physician and chemist known for his advocacy of a meat-centered diet to promote health, and the term Salisbury steak for a ground beef patty served as the main course has been used in the United States since 1897.


He believed vegetables and starchy foods produced poisonous substances in the digestive system which were responsible for heart disease, tumors, mental illness and tuberculosis. He believed that human dentition demonstrated that humans were meant to eat meat, and sought to limit vegetables, fruit, starches, and fats to one-third of the diet.


Yep, you never see an old vegetarian, well not many.

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Date: 14/12/2023 12:00:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2102921
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Salisbury steak has nothing to do with Salisbury UK or any place called Salisbury or the Marquess of Salisbury or anything like that.

James H. Salisbury (1823–1905) was an American physician and chemist known for his advocacy of a meat-centered diet to promote health, and the term Salisbury steak for a ground beef patty served as the main course has been used in the United States since 1897.


He believed vegetables and starchy foods produced poisonous substances in the digestive system which were responsible for heart disease, tumors, mental illness and tuberculosis. He believed that human dentition demonstrated that humans were meant to eat meat, and sought to limit vegetables, fruit, starches, and fats to one-third of the diet.


Yep, you never see an old vegetarian, well not many.

Hah. :) I’m not old yet.

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Date: 15/12/2023 19:33:11
From: dv
ID: 2103423
Subject: re: today I learned

Of Australia’s 297 km of dual gauge track, 207 km are in WA.

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Date: 15/12/2023 19:56:29
From: party_pants
ID: 2103438
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Of Australia’s 297 km of dual gauge track, 207 km are in WA.

Always been a dreamer for quad track myself.

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Date: 16/12/2023 06:24:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2103517
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

Of Australia’s 297 km of dual gauge track, 207 km are in WA.

Always been a dreamer for quad track myself.

I always wanted an 8 track.

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Date: 17/12/2023 15:52:23
From: OCDC
ID: 2104001
Subject: re: today I learned

Quinoa is one of very few botanical sources of human-complete protein.

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:13:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2104005
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Quinoa is one of very few botanical sources of human-complete protein.

Yes but how much of it do you have to eat?

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:27:21
From: OCDC
ID: 2104011
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:
Quinoa is one of very few botanical sources of human-complete protein.
Yes but how much of it do you have to eat?
Quora because my brane is not at its best at the mo:

Cooked quinoa is about 14% protein, but its content of the essential amino acid tryptophan is only about 1/4 that of eggs. So if you want to get the minimum of 0.29 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, a typical 70 kilogram male would need 20.3 grams of ideal protein which would be 145 grams (about 4–5 ounces of cooked quinoa if its protein quality were perfect).

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:29:40
From: OCDC
ID: 2104012
Subject: re: today I learned

So not an unreasonable amount.

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:34:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2104013
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Quinoa is one of very few botanical sources of human-complete protein.
Yes but how much of it do you have to eat?
Quora because my brane is not at its best at the mo:

Cooked quinoa is about 14% protein, but its content of the essential amino acid tryptophan is only about 1/4 that of eggs. So if you want to get the minimum of 0.29 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, a typical 70 kilogram male would need 20.3 grams of ideal protein which would be 145 grams (about 4–5 ounces of cooked quinoa if its protein quality were perfect).

That’s a lot of seed munching.

How about sprouted seed?

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:35:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2104014
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


So not an unreasonable amount.

Not really a lot.
I’d easily eat that in lentils most days.

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Date: 17/12/2023 16:49:49
From: dv
ID: 2104015
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Quinoa is one of very few botanical sources of human-complete protein.

Well I’ve done my good deed for today.

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Date: 18/12/2023 01:44:19
From: dv
ID: 2104109
Subject: re: today I learned

In some parts of Ireland, a soft drink is called a “mineral “.

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Date: 23/12/2023 15:16:22
From: dv
ID: 2106318
Subject: re: today I learned

A tender or coal-car (US only) is a special rail vehicle hauled by a steam locomotive containing its fuel (wood, coal, oil or torrefied biomass) and water. Steam locomotives consume large quantities of water compared to the quantity of fuel, so their tenders are necessary to keep them running over long distances. A locomotive that pulls a tender is called a tender locomotive. Locomotives that do not have tenders and carry all their fuel and water on board the locomotive itself are called tank locomotives or tank engines.

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(Torrefied means roasted.)
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So if I’m right Gordon is a tender engine whereas Thomas carries his own reactants.

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Date: 23/12/2023 15:18:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2106322
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


A tender or coal-car (US only) is a special rail vehicle hauled by a steam locomotive containing its fuel (wood, coal, oil or torrefied biomass) and water. Steam locomotives consume large quantities of water compared to the quantity of fuel, so their tenders are necessary to keep them running over long distances. A locomotive that pulls a tender is called a tender locomotive. Locomotives that do not have tenders and carry all their fuel and water on board the locomotive itself are called tank locomotives or tank engines.

—-

(Torrefied means roasted.)
—-

So if I’m right Gordon is a tender engine whereas Thomas carries his own reactants.

Correct.

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Date: 25/12/2023 08:28:12
From: OCDC
ID: 2106925
Subject: re: today I learned

Carol of the Bells is based on a Ukrainian folksong.

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Date: 25/12/2023 08:35:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2106928
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Carol of the Bells is based on a Ukrainian folksong.

All that Christmas stuff came from that part of the world, didn’t it?

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Date: 26/12/2023 14:40:53
From: dv
ID: 2107153
Subject: re: today I learned

Willem Dafoe’s real name is William. He adopted the stagename Willem.

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Date: 26/12/2023 14:44:31
From: Tamb
ID: 2107157
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Willem Dafoe’s real name is William. He adopted the stagename Willem.

Like David Walliams.

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Date: 26/12/2023 15:06:42
From: kii
ID: 2107158
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

Willem Dafoe’s real name is William. He adopted the stagename Willem.

Like David Walliams.

I wanted to name my first son William, but his father said no. The woman in the room with me said it will mean a strong-willed child, because Will I am.
The weirdos you meet on the maternity ward.

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Date: 26/12/2023 15:46:12
From: dv
ID: 2107175
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

Willem Dafoe’s real name is William. He adopted the stagename Willem.

Like David Walliams.

I wanted to name my first son William, but his father said no. The woman in the room with me said it will mean a strong-willed child, because Will I am.
The weirdos you meet on the maternity ward.

Honestly I didn’t think Blackeyed peas were so popular back then

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Date: 26/12/2023 16:00:00
From: kii
ID: 2107179
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

Tamb said:

Like David Walliams.

I wanted to name my first son William, but his father said no. The woman in the room with me said it will mean a strong-willed child, because Will I am.
The weirdos you meet on the maternity ward.

Honestly I didn’t think Blackeyed peas were so popular back then

Huh?

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Date: 26/12/2023 16:03:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2107181
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

Tamb said:

Like David Walliams.

I wanted to name my first son William, but his father said no. The woman in the room with me said it will mean a strong-willed child, because Will I am.
The weirdos you meet on the maternity ward.

Honestly I didn’t think Blackeyed peas were so popular back then

I always keep some in the cupboard.

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Date: 26/12/2023 20:23:00
From: dv
ID: 2107235
Subject: re: today I learned

Can’t get trains to Lismore any more.

Indeed the entire Murwillumbah line was discontinued in 2004.

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Date: 26/12/2023 23:01:10
From: dv
ID: 2107282
Subject: re: today I learned

moquette
/mɒˈkɛt/
noun
a thick pile fabric used for carpets and upholstery.

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Date: 26/12/2023 23:25:23
From: dv
ID: 2107299
Subject: re: today I learned

The voice of the onboard computer in the movie Passengers is that of Emma Clarke, who provided the voice for London Underground announcements.

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Date: 28/12/2023 16:15:27
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2107810
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL Judy Garland lent her voice to an animated character, in Gay Purr-ee. I was unaware she’d made an animated film.

Although critics praised it, the film was a box office disappointment. Personally, I think it was a lovely movie undeserving of box office failure. The animation style is very 1960s. It was written by Chuck Jones (of Warner Bros cartoon fame) and his wife. Although Chuck later directed many WB cartoons, he did not direct this.

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Date: 29/12/2023 02:00:20
From: dv
ID: 2107962
Subject: re: today I learned

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

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Date: 29/12/2023 04:32:30
From: kii
ID: 2107964
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

RUOK?

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Date: 29/12/2023 04:55:21
From: dv
ID: 2107966
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

RUOK?

Hey don’t shoot the messenger

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Date: 29/12/2023 05:01:44
From: kii
ID: 2107968
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

dv said:

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

RUOK?

Hey don’t shoot the messenger

May I point and laugh at you?

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Date: 29/12/2023 07:35:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2107982
Subject: re: today I learned

I have an ear-worm this morning – the chorus to “Tell Laura I Love Her”, which I probably haven’t heard in half a century. So I looked up the lyrics and the Wikipedia page. TIL of “Answer Songs”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_song

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Date: 29/12/2023 07:39:49
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2107983
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


I have an ear-worm this morning – the chorus to “Tell Laura I Love Her”, which I probably haven’t heard in half a century. So I looked up the lyrics and the Wikipedia page. TIL of “Answer Songs”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_song

Oh that song is sad :(

Answer songs are cool; I already knew of them because dad told me about them when I was a kid. IIRC his example was Oh Neil, an answer to Oh Carol

Last week I fell into a rabbit hole and found a whole bunch of other answer songs, including a couple from Fleetwood Mac.

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Date: 29/12/2023 07:46:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2107984
Subject: re: today I learned

Divine Angel said:


Michael V said:

I have an ear-worm this morning – the chorus to “Tell Laura I Love Her”, which I probably haven’t heard in half a century. So I looked up the lyrics and the Wikipedia page. TIL of “Answer Songs”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_song

Oh that song is sad :(

Answer songs are cool; I already knew of them because dad told me about them when I was a kid. IIRC his example was Oh Neil, an answer to Oh Carol

Last week I fell into a rabbit hole and found a whole bunch of other answer songs, including a couple from Fleetwood Mac.

:)

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Date: 29/12/2023 08:37:37
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2107992
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

297×210 to us commoners.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:05:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2108016
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

297×210 to us commoners.

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:08:28
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2108017
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

297×210 to us commoners.

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

at what relative humidity?

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:12:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2108018
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

The dimensions of an A4 page are

2 ^ ( -7/4) metres by 2 ^ (-9/4) metres

297×210 to us commoners.

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

Thats why feet and inches is a much more cromulent system.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:13:09
From: OCDC
ID: 2108019
Subject: re: today I learned

Are we not all dismayed that it took him til now to learn this? Better late than pregnant I suppose.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:15:07
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2108020
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

297×210 to us commoners.

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

Thats why feet and inches is a much more cromulent system.

I have a foot but I don’t use it as a rule.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:16:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2108021
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

Thats why feet and inches is a much more cromulent system.

I have a foot but I don’t use it as a rule.

Some do but not you.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:16:56
From: OCDC
ID: 2108022
Subject: re: today I learned

We used to have an A0 plotter.

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:17:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2108023
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Since it’s Friday:

0.297 × 0.210

or to be a little more precise:

0.29730177875068 × 0.210224103813429

Thats why feet and inches is a much more cromulent system.

I have a foot but I don’t use it as a rule.

Not even when out in the yard?

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Date: 29/12/2023 10:18:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2108024
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


We used to have an A0 plotter.

So did eye.

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Date: 29/12/2023 15:06:38
From: OCDC
ID: 2108191
Subject: re: today I learned

Ordinary Person was a tag dv used at the SSSF sometimes.

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Date: 29/12/2023 17:41:45
From: dv
ID: 2108264
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Are we not all dismayed that it took him til now to learn this? Better late than pregnant I suppose.

To be clear

I knew that the ratio was sqrt(2) and that you can halve to get the next size down without change of shape.

What I didn’t know is that the area of A0 was a square metre, and that (hence) the area of An is 2^(-n) square metres, and (also hence) the dimensions of An in metres are 2^((2n-1)/4) by 2^((2n+1)/4).

It’s kind of beautiful, and the ANSI Letter size can eat shit. It doesn’t have a property like this.

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Date: 29/12/2023 17:45:47
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2108271
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


OCDC said:

Are we not all dismayed that it took him til now to learn this? Better late than pregnant I suppose.

To be clear

I knew that the ratio was sqrt(2) and that you can halve to get the next size down without change of shape.

What I didn’t know is that the area of A0 was a square metre, and that (hence) the area of An is 2^(-n) square metres, and (also hence) the dimensions of An in metres are 2^((2n-1)/4) by 2^((2n+1)/4).

It’s kind of beautiful, and the ANSI Letter size can eat shit. It doesn’t have a property like this.

the whole system works so well. plus it is an aesthetically pleasing ratio.

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Date: 30/12/2023 14:57:20
From: dv
ID: 2108510
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtube.com/shorts/3E_MURgHATY?si=RkTjScGtWq5WAUw0

The first one way street in London was Albemarle St.

The change was made a couple of hundred years ago because of the traffic headed to Sir Humphry Davy’s popular science lectures at the Royal Institution.

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Date: 30/12/2023 15:26:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2108517
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtube.com/shorts/3E_MURgHATY?si=RkTjScGtWq5WAUw0

The first one way street in London was Albemarle St.

The change was made a couple of hundred years ago because of the traffic headed to Sir Humphry Davy’s popular science lectures at the Royal Institution.

Interesting.

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Date: 30/12/2023 17:39:06
From: dv
ID: 2108554
Subject: re: today I learned

The Wear in Tyne and Wear rhymes with beer, not bear.

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Date: 6/01/2024 15:52:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2111116
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

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Date: 6/01/2024 15:55:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2111117
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

I believe they ferried the stones for the pyramids right to the spot on canals.

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Date: 6/01/2024 15:59:42
From: party_pants
ID: 2111118
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

I believe they ferried the stones for the pyramids right to the spot on canals.

the camel seems to have been domesticated rather late. After the pyramids were already built.

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Date: 6/01/2024 15:59:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2111119
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

Interesting, ta. Family and I navigated the Suez Canal last century.

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Date: 6/01/2024 17:03:11
From: dv
ID: 2111156
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

Man if you’re going to make up place names, at least make them more believable than “Zagazig”.

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Date: 6/01/2024 17:04:37
From: Michael V
ID: 2111158
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

TIL that there were ancient canals linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Here is a map of the Canal of the Pharaohs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal#Precursors

Man if you’re going to make up place names, at least make them more believable than “Zagazig”.

:)

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:26:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113260
Subject: re: today I learned

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:28:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113262
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Someone better tell them then?

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:30:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2113265
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

What busted arsed search engine are you using.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:33:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113268
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

What busted arsed search engine are you using.

TATAE apparently.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:34:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113272
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

What busted arsed search engine are you using.

I was using the Bing BASE, but I checked on Wikipedia with their search and TATAE BASE also returns nothing.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:36:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113274
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

What busted arsed search engine are you using.

I was using the Bing BASE, but I checked on Wikipedia with their search and TATAE BASE also returns nothing.

You should chuck bing.
There are other far better search engines.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:39:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113280
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What busted arsed search engine are you using.

I was using the Bing BASE, but I checked on Wikipedia with their search and TATAE BASE also returns nothing.

You should chuck bing.
There are other far better search engines.

Shrug – I’ve compared results with Google occasionally and they are much the same, but I can always switch to google for a specific search if necessary.

I mean anything is better than feeding revenue to those billionaires in Google, right?

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:41:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113283
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I was using the Bing BASE, but I checked on Wikipedia with their search and TATAE BASE also returns nothing.

You should chuck bing.
There are other far better search engines.

Shrug – I’ve compared results with Google occasionally and they are much the same, but I can always switch to google for a specific search if necessary.

I mean anything is better than feeding revenue to those billionaires in Google, right?

I don’t use google search. I mostly block all their scripts.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:44:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113287
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

You should chuck bing.
There are other far better search engines.

Shrug – I’ve compared results with Google occasionally and they are much the same, but I can always switch to google for a specific search if necessary.

I mean anything is better than feeding revenue to those billionaires in Google, right?

I don’t use google search. I mostly block all their scripts.

Well the others may be better in terms of privacy, but I have not seen any evidence that any of them are better in terms of search results.

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:49:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113296
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shrug – I’ve compared results with Google occasionally and they are much the same, but I can always switch to google for a specific search if necessary.

I mean anything is better than feeding revenue to those billionaires in Google, right?

I don’t use google search. I mostly block all their scripts.

Well the others may be better in terms of privacy, but I have not seen any evidence that any of them are better in terms of search results.

I just Binged “best search engine” and it said Google then Bing.

So I Googled “best search engine” and the first three hits were alternatives to Google.

So that’s jolly decent of both of them, don’t you think?

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Date: 11/01/2024 18:52:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113301
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t use google search. I mostly block all their scripts.

Well the others may be better in terms of privacy, but I have not seen any evidence that any of them are better in terms of search results.

I just Binged “best search engine” and it said Google then Bing.

So I Googled “best search engine” and the first three hits were alternatives to Google.

So that’s jolly decent of both of them, don’t you think?

:) I put in best dearch engine and it cam back “dud you mean best search engine” and at the top od the list was, https://www.pcmag.com/picks/go-beyond-google-best-alternative-search-engines

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:07:51
From: buffy
ID: 2113328
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:13:27
From: ruby
ID: 2113329
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:20:14
From: buffy
ID: 2113331
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

Yes, I just did some Googling too. Looks like Tamaruke is the name of a kennel that was breeding labradoodles. This would seem to be their website. There are quite a lot of hits suggesting it’s a puppy farm setup.

https://www.tamaruke.com/our-pups

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:23:59
From: ruby
ID: 2113332
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

Here you go. Whirlpool forum giving their opinions on the Tamaruke and the breeder.

I can highly recommend the good old Australian terrier. No shedding, terrier tough, real characters.

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:24:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2113333
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… that there is a dog breed called Tamaruke

but TATAE knows nothing of it.

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

The Pontville sister is considering getting a bordoodle (border collie/poodle cross).

They’re supposed to be particularly intelligent.

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:24:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113334
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


ruby said:

buffy said:

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

Here you go. Whirlpool forum giving their opinions on the Tamaruke and the breeder.

I can highly recommend the good old Australian terrier. No shedding, terrier tough, real characters.


:)

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:26:36
From: ruby
ID: 2113336
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


ruby said:

buffy said:

Is that one of those designer dogs where they join two names into something“new”?

Yep. It’s a backyard breeder of poodle crosses giving them a fancy name and lots of ‘promises’
So many oddles on my morning walk. Some of them good, some of them just wacko mutts

Here you go. Whirlpool forum giving their opinions on the Tamaruke and the breeder.

Ooops, forgot yo put the Whirlpool URL in-

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/3485vz73

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Date: 11/01/2024 19:27:16
From: buffy
ID: 2113337
Subject: re: today I learned

Well they are touted as a recognized breed. They are not recognized in Victoria:

https://dogsvictoria.org.au/Breeders/breed-standards

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Date: 17/01/2024 23:29:05
From: tauto
ID: 2115577
Subject: re: today I learned

Ewan MacColl wrote both
The first time ever i saw your face
And
Dirty old town

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Date: 18/01/2024 01:52:26
From: dv
ID: 2115600
Subject: re: today I learned

tauto said:


Ewan MacColl wrote both
The first time ever i saw your face
And
Dirty old town

Cool

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Date: 18/01/2024 19:19:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2115877
Subject: re: today I learned

Silverfish can go up to a year without eating as long as they have water.

They live for about three years. Lost antennae regenerate within four weeks.

Book partly eaten by silverfish.

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Date: 18/01/2024 19:20:24
From: dv
ID: 2115878
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Silverfish can go up to a year without eating as long as they have water.

They live for about three years. Lost antennae regenerate within four weeks.

Book partly eaten by silverfish.


Good

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Date: 22/01/2024 00:01:58
From: dv
ID: 2116724
Subject: re: today I learned

The naval rank of captain is equivalent to the army rank of colonel.

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Date: 22/01/2024 01:44:46
From: Kingy
ID: 2116728
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The naval rank of captain is equivalent to the army rank of colonel.

Sounds fair. Our Captain_Spalding navigated his ship into somewhere near Broken Hill, where the rank of Colonel would have been of more help than “Captain”, unless he was in the bushfire brigade.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:36:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116840
Subject: re: today I learned

that Wendy Harmer was the first Australian female stand-up comedian.

But is that actually true?

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:39:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2116841
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Wendy Harmer was the first Australian female stand-up comedian.

But is that actually true?

She’s not a comedian.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:42:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116843
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that Wendy Harmer was the first Australian female stand-up comedian.

But is that actually true?

She’s not a comedian.

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:51:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2116849
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that Wendy Harmer was the first Australian female stand-up comedian.

But is that actually true?

She’s not a comedian.

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:55:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116852
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She’s not a comedian.

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:57:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2116854
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.

Oh right.

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Date: 22/01/2024 12:59:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116855
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.

Oh right.

But I agree it is pretty misleading as written. Maybe dv could correct it for us.

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Date: 22/01/2024 13:01:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2116856
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.


A lot of people don’t know it was actually the turnbull government that helped female comedy into the public domain with a 500 million dollar grant that provided legions of script writers and personal coaches.

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Date: 22/01/2024 13:03:05
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2116857
Subject: re: today I learned

wookiemeister said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.


A lot of people don’t know it was actually the turnbull government that helped female comedy into the public domain with a 500 million dollar grant that provided legions of script writers and personal coaches.

It was part of “leave no female comedian behind” initiative

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Date: 22/01/2024 13:05:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116858
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I assume 2015 was the date of the acknowledgement, rather than the date she started out standing up, which was early 80’s I believe.

Oh right.

But I agree it is pretty misleading as written. Maybe dv could correct it for us.

Some short clips of her early work here

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Date: 22/01/2024 13:09:40
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2116859
Subject: re: today I learned

Before the LNFCB initiative female stand up had stagnated – 500 million was literally the lifeblood that was needed , a massive infusion to flush out all the worn out material holding women back in this dynamic environment. For the first time female comedians could explore the refreshing funny side of the shape, look, feel of their vagina, why they are tired all the time, kids – right? and complaining about men not doing enough for them.

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Date: 22/01/2024 13:12:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2116860
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Oh right.

But I agree it is pretty misleading as written. Maybe dv could correct it for us.

Some short clips of her early work here

“we heard a sound we hadn’t heard before “women laughing”

Dear oh dear.

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Date: 22/01/2024 14:49:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116872
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

She’s not a comedian.

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

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Date: 22/01/2024 14:59:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2116874
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Cicely Courtneidge?

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:04:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116876
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Cicely Courtneidge?

She did her work in England though.

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:17:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116881
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

she didn’t do stand-up.

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:18:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116882
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Also known as Carol Raye, also known as Kathleen Mary Corkrey.

As suppose the arguments against nominating her for the honour would be:

1: Sketch comedy is not stand-up.
2. She wasn’t Australian.

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:20:48
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116883
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Mavis Bramston was a fictitious character, although she had the program named after her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mavis_Bramston_Show

Link

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:22:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116884
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

she didn’t do stand-up.

Fairinthenuts.

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:24:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116886
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Mavis Bramston was a fictitious character, although she had the program named after her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mavis_Bramston_Show

Link

Tthat’s the one. It made a lot of Austalian comedian’s careers.

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:24:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116887
Subject: re: today I learned

not australian but, were the Goons stand-up comedians?

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:29:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116889
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


not australian but, were the Goons stand-up comedians?

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:35:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2116890
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I beg to differ.

But anyway, TATE says:

“She is acknowledged as the first Australian woman to enter the all-male domain of stand-up comedy in the 2015 ABC TV series Stop Laughing…This Is Serious.”

so it must be true.

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Stage name, played by Maggie Dence. Not stand-up comedy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mavis_Bramston_Show

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Date: 22/01/2024 15:52:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116894
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

2015 is like only yesterday, it doesn’t sound right.

So nobody remebers Mavis Bramston if that was the correct name or spelling. There was a comedic show with her name on it in the mid sixties.

Stage name, played by Maggie Dence. Not stand-up comedy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mavis_Bramston_Show

Same link also leads to Carol Raye, which says she was the producer and “original star”.

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:01:18
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116938
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

not australian but, were the Goons stand-up comedians?

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:08:24
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116939
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

not australian but, were the Goons stand-up comedians?

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

yes, I was making a joke as to the fact that in their shows they were standing. and that they were comedians.

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:14:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116940
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

yes, I was making a joke as to the fact that in their shows they were standing. and that they were comedians.

The Falwty Towers staff were mostly stand-up comedians, but the customer were not.

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:24:15
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116944
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

yes, I was making a joke as to the fact that in their shows they were standing. and that they were comedians.

… and I walked into it.

:)

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:26:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116946
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


JudgeMental said:

AussieDJ said:

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

yes, I was making a joke as to the fact that in their shows they were standing. and that they were comedians.

… and I walked into it.

:)

I was starting to lose hope…

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Date: 22/01/2024 20:42:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2116947
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

not australian but, were the Goons stand-up comedians?

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

I was, for a long time, a member of the Goon Show Preservation Society.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:06:22
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116951
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. It seemed that they had stage shows that were recorded for radio?

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

I was, for a long time, a member of the Goon Show Preservation Society.

And now?

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:25:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116953
Subject: re: today I learned

In the 1930s, Summer camps opened up across the country. But these weren’t normal summer camps: they were the creation of the German American Bund, a pro-Nazi organization with a vision of America ruled by white Christians.

NAZI TOWN, USA | Chapter 1 | American Experience | PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbp_nXMLonw

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:30:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2116954
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

I was, for a long time, a member of the Goon Show Preservation Society.

And now?

No, not for some years now.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:30:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2116955
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

The Goons didn’t fit the usually-accepted definition of stand-up comedy, where a performer will usually talk their way through a story or routine calculated to get laughs from the audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-up_comedy
Link

The Goons have been lauded as one of the greatest forms of radio comedy – radio, after all, being theatre of the mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show
Link

I was, for a long time, a member of the Goon Show Preservation Society.

And now?

No, not for some years now.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:39:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2116958
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


In the 1930s, Summer camps opened up across the country. But these weren’t normal summer camps: they were the creation of the German American Bund, a pro-Nazi organization with a vision of America ruled by white Christians.

NAZI TOWN, USA | Chapter 1 | American Experience | PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbp_nXMLonw

They held big rallies in cities across the US before WW2, including one in 1939 at Madison Square Garden, attended by 20,00 sympathisers.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:39:19
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116959
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

I was, for a long time, a member of the Goon Show Preservation Society.

And now?

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:44:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116961
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


sarahs mum said:

In the 1930s, Summer camps opened up across the country. But these weren’t normal summer camps: they were the creation of the German American Bund, a pro-Nazi organization with a vision of America ruled by white Christians.

NAZI TOWN, USA | Chapter 1 | American Experience | PBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbp_nXMLonw

They held big rallies in cities across the US before WW2, including one in 1939 at Madison Square Garden, attended by 20,00 sympathisers.


i knew about the rallies. but I did not know about the camps.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:54:08
From: Neophyte
ID: 2116965
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

And now?

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:54:46
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116966
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

AussieDJ said:

And now?

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

The cast members are all dead, but the recordings live on!

Ladies and Fred … I give you The Highly Esteemed Goon Show … available on two, yes – count them, two – streaming platforms!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZJfXozPB7csMovJB28KxTXCUyixDmzj1

Link

and

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0072vdz/episodes/player

Link

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Date: 22/01/2024 21:59:02
From: party_pants
ID: 2116967
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He keeps trying to retire, but every time he gets divorced he has to keep working to earn the settlement payout.

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:11:45
From: Neophyte
ID: 2116968
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Neophyte said:

JudgeMental said:

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He keeps trying to retire, but every time he gets divorced he has to keep working to earn the settlement payout.

The Goon Show – Tales of Men’s Shirts (1968)
Essentially a re-enactment of a radio performance, the three Goons were joined by John Cleese as announcer for a special shown on Thames Television. An almost-complete copy of this broadcast is held by the British Film Institute.

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:12:59
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2116969
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He’ll go to the big cancellation in the sky soon enough.

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:14:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2116970
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


party_pants said:

Neophyte said:

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He keeps trying to retire, but every time he gets divorced he has to keep working to earn the settlement payout.

The Goon Show – Tales of Men’s Shirts (1968)
Essentially a re-enactment of a radio performance, the three Goons were joined by John Cleese as announcer for a special shown on Thames Television. An almost-complete copy of this broadcast is held by the British Film Institute.

ying tong ying tong ying tong

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:29:27
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116971
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Neophyte said:

party_pants said:

He keeps trying to retire, but every time he gets divorced he has to keep working to earn the settlement payout.

The Goon Show – Tales of Men’s Shirts (1968)
Essentially a re-enactment of a radio performance, the three Goons were joined by John Cleese as announcer for a special shown on Thames Television. An almost-complete copy of this broadcast is held by the British Film Institute.

ying tong ying tong ying tong

https://youtu.be/33-fVsL5Kdc

Link

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:34:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116972
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

No, not for some years now.

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He is not a Goon.

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:55:50
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116973
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Neophyte said:

JudgeMental said:

well, they’re all dead now. Unless you intended to preserve them in formaldehyde.

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He is not a Goon.

True.
He is, however, a fan of the Goons, as are quite a few other comedians, who credit the Goons as giving them the inspiration for their own careers.

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Date: 22/01/2024 22:56:36
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116974
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Neophyte said:

The Goon Show – Tales of Men’s Shirts (1968)
Essentially a re-enactment of a radio performance, the three Goons were joined by John Cleese as announcer for a special shown on Thames Television. An almost-complete copy of this broadcast is held by the British Film Institute.

ying tong ying tong ying tong

https://youtu.be/33-fVsL5Kdc

Link

Have a guess who now has an earworm?

:)

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Date: 22/01/2024 23:03:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116975
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


JudgeMental said:

Neophyte said:

John Cleese, who was announcer on a one-off special broadcast, is still going…..just.

He is not a Goon.

True.
He is, however, a fan of the Goons, as are quite a few other comedians, who credit the Goons as giving them the inspiration for their own careers.

I’m a fan of the Goons. Every saturday around noon on the radio in melbourne. early to mid 70s.

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Date: 22/01/2024 23:12:08
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116976
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


AussieDJ said:

JudgeMental said:

He is not a Goon.

True.
He is, however, a fan of the Goons, as are quite a few other comedians, who credit the Goons as giving them the inspiration for their own careers.

I’m a fan of the Goons. Every saturday around noon on the radio in melbourne. early to mid 70s.

Yes. I did the same.
3AR (620, later 621kHz AM). Now Radio National.

My brother would religiously record the programs from the radio every Saturday on his treasured reel-to-reel tape recorder.
I didn’t realise until very much later that recording at a speed of 1 7/8 inches per second didn’t do much for fidelity, although it did save tape – which was relatively expensive in those days.

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Date: 23/01/2024 02:11:09
From: dv
ID: 2116994
Subject: re: today I learned

Princess Bride is based on a novel, which was written in the form of an abridged version of a non-existent full version.

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Date: 23/01/2024 02:13:41
From: dv
ID: 2116996
Subject: re: today I learned

Certainly Harmer was a pioneer but I don’t think she was the first woman in Australia to do a stand up act

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Date: 23/01/2024 08:34:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117017
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Certainly Harmer was a pioneer but I don’t think she was the first woman in Australia to do a stand up act

Who was then?

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Date: 23/01/2024 08:36:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117018
Subject: re: today I learned

…my lesson.

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Date: 23/01/2024 08:39:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117019
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


…my lesson.

That’ll teach you.

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Date: 23/01/2024 08:43:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117020
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

…my lesson.

That’ll teach you.

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Date: 23/01/2024 09:02:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117026
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

…my lesson.

That’ll teach you.


But he was a good boy.

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Date: 23/01/2024 10:41:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117038
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Certainly Harmer was a pioneer but I don’t think she was the first woman in Australia to do a stand up act

Who was then?

To tell the truth, Australia didn’t have any real stand up comedians of either gender.

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Date: 23/01/2024 10:58:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117042
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Certainly Harmer was a pioneer but I don’t think she was the first woman in Australia to do a stand up act

Who was then?

To tell the truth, Australia didn’t have any real stand up comedians of either gender.

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:07:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117045
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Who was then?

To tell the truth, Australia didn’t have any real stand up comedians of either gender.

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:13:43
From: Michael V
ID: 2117047
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

To tell the truth, Australia didn’t have any real stand up comedians of either gender.

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:14:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117048
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

So there you go.

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:18:19
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117050
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

And they’re both dead.
Make of that what you will.

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:25:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117052
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

And they’re both dead.
Make of that what you will.

Possible conclusion: comedy festivals are fatal?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:27:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117054
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

And they’re both dead.
Make of that what you will.

Maybe they could join the dead poets society?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:28:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117055
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

To tell the truth, Australia didn’t have any real stand up comedians of either gender.

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:29:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117056
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

So there you go.

Where?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:30:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117057
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Oh, yes, far superior to that trashy, flashy red-nose vaudeville stuff they call ‘comedy’ up in Sydney.

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:30:43
From: Cymek
ID: 2117058
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Michael V said:

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

And they’re both dead.
Make of that what you will.

Possible conclusion: comedy festivals are fatal?

That’s my take on it

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:32:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117059
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Oh, yes, far superior to that trashy, flashy red-nose vaudeville stuff they call ‘comedy’ up in Sydney.

lol

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:34:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117060
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wot, never?

How is a “real stand up comedian” defined then?

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:42:16
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117061
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

“Harmer was on the board of the first Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1987, which featured Barry Humphries and Peter Cook.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Harmer

And they’re both dead.
Make of that what you will.

would it kill you if you laughed for just once?

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:42:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117062
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

At the time.
Was there such a thing as the Melbourne comedy festival?

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

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Date: 23/01/2024 11:48:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117063
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:02:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117064
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

I think Harmer was the first comedian of any gender with a hair lip to do stand up comedy.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:03:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117065
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

close enough.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:10:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117067
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

At what time?

Is “real stand up comedy” limited to the Melbourne comedy festival then?

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There probably weren’t because the Melbourne comedy festival was basically the first stand up org.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:14:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117069
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Well Bert Newton was probably the man to go to. Unless you are talking about Graham Kennedy?

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There probably weren’t because the Melbourne comedy festival was basically the first stand up org.

OK, but that’s what the Internet was telling us, but dv begged to differ.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:16:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2117070
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

I think Harmer was the first comedian of any gender with a hair lip to do stand up comedy.

I think you may be correct.

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:19:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117073
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

I think Harmer was the first comedian of any gender with a hair lip to do stand up comedy.

Well you’ve changed your tune!

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Date: 23/01/2024 12:56:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117116
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m not talking about anybody.

I was asking dv who Australian female stand-up comedians before Wendy Harmer were.

There’s Pamela Stephenson I suppose, but she’s a kiwi.

close enough.

If he/she is successful, they get made ‘honorary Australians’.

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Date: 23/01/2024 18:34:07
From: OCDC
ID: 2117219
Subject: re: today I learned

Mushrooms also produce vitamin d as a result of UV exposure (I already knew they had some vit d).

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Date: 26/01/2024 13:30:18
From: dv
ID: 2118107
Subject: re: today I learned

From an evolutionary perspective, we should be talking about the “platypus-billed duck” rather than “duck-billed platypus”.

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Date: 29/01/2024 23:32:54
From: dv
ID: 2119330
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1991, British screen icon Michael Caine (born Maurice Micklewhite in 1933), during filming for Noises Off in America, received a telephone call from the tabloid newspaper The People. Whilst doing a report on nursing homes for inmates of former mental asylums, their reporter had interviewed a woman, more lucid than the rest, who pointed out another inmate, her boyfriend: “Do you see that man over there? Do you know Michael Caine, the actor? Well, he’s his brother.”

The reporter discovered that Caine’s mother Ellen, who had died in 1989, had given birth to an illegitimate son named David Burchell in 1924. David was epileptic in an era with little treatment for it and illegitimacy and mental illness were stigmatised. He suffered brain damage after having fits in his room in the workhouse he was sent to and was institutionalised for the rest of his life. Unknown to her family, including Caine and his younger brother Stanley, Ellen visited David every Monday, keeping him a secret but looking after him and caring for him.

When Caine was able to leave the film set, he took a plane back to the UK to meet his older half-brother. David already knew who Caine was, having watched Zulu (1964) on the television and keeping a photograph of him. He found “a very small man, with dark, slightly greying hair, in a wheelchair I realised he couldn’t speak – or at least not in a way I could understand.” Realising there was little he could do for David, Caine tried to make him as comfortable and happy as possible, getting him a bigger room and his own television. David died shortly afterwards in 1992 and his ashes were buried alongside his mother’s.

Caine gained a new respect for his mother through her sacrifice and loyalty to her first-born son: “The tragedy is that, had David’s epilepsy been treated properly, he might well have gone on to live a fulfilled and normal life,” he wrote in his autobiography, “he might have had the chances that I did. But out of the tragedy emerged something else – the story of a courageous woman As I’ve said before, there was nothing Ma wouldn’t do for her boys – but perhaps that was also because there was one boy she hadn’t been able to do much for.”

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Date: 29/01/2024 23:53:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2119337
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 1991, British screen icon Michael Caine (born Maurice Micklewhite in 1933), during filming for Noises Off in America, received a telephone call from the tabloid newspaper The People. Whilst doing a report on nursing homes for inmates of former mental asylums, their reporter had interviewed a woman, more lucid than the rest, who pointed out another inmate, her boyfriend: “Do you see that man over there? Do you know Michael Caine, the actor? Well, he’s his brother.”

The reporter discovered that Caine’s mother Ellen, who had died in 1989, had given birth to an illegitimate son named David Burchell in 1924. David was epileptic in an era with little treatment for it and illegitimacy and mental illness were stigmatised. He suffered brain damage after having fits in his room in the workhouse he was sent to and was institutionalised for the rest of his life. Unknown to her family, including Caine and his younger brother Stanley, Ellen visited David every Monday, keeping him a secret but looking after him and caring for him.

When Caine was able to leave the film set, he took a plane back to the UK to meet his older half-brother. David already knew who Caine was, having watched Zulu (1964) on the television and keeping a photograph of him. He found “a very small man, with dark, slightly greying hair, in a wheelchair I realised he couldn’t speak – or at least not in a way I could understand.” Realising there was little he could do for David, Caine tried to make him as comfortable and happy as possible, getting him a bigger room and his own television. David died shortly afterwards in 1992 and his ashes were buried alongside his mother’s.

Caine gained a new respect for his mother through her sacrifice and loyalty to her first-born son: “The tragedy is that, had David’s epilepsy been treated properly, he might well have gone on to live a fulfilled and normal life,” he wrote in his autobiography, “he might have had the chances that I did. But out of the tragedy emerged something else – the story of a courageous woman As I’ve said before, there was nothing Ma wouldn’t do for her boys – but perhaps that was also because there was one boy she hadn’t been able to do much for.”


Thats so sad.

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Date: 30/01/2024 08:37:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119365
Subject: re: today I learned

of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

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Date: 30/01/2024 08:46:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2119366
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

That poor fellow is discussed in the opening chapter of How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman.

Have to get back to reading said book soon.

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Date: 30/01/2024 09:12:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119369
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death.

I’m plagued by the idea of Jimmy Stewart, of ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’, and ‘Harvey’, and ‘Mr Deeds Goes To Washington’, passing sentence.

“W – waal, Thomas, y’see how it is, don’cha? I mean, i like you, you’re a nice kid an’ all, but, waal, we jus’ can’t have people running around, sayin’ all kinds ‘a wild things about God and everything. I mean, it upsets people, an’ it gets ‘em wonderin’ about truth and right an’ things like that, an’, gosh, they’ve got enough worries in their lives already. I mean, i hate to have to say it, an’ all, but you’re gonna have to be taken from here to a place of execution an’ there hanged by the neck until dead. I really sorry about this, kid.’

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Date: 30/01/2024 09:12:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119370
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death.

I’m plagued by the idea of Jimmy Stewart, of ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’, and ‘Harvey’, and ‘Mr Deeds Goes To Washington’, passing sentence.

“W – waal, Thomas, y’see how it is, don’cha? I mean, i like you, you’re a nice kid an’ all, but, waal, we jus’ can’t have people running around, sayin’ all kinds ‘a wild things about God and everything. I mean, it upsets people, an’ it gets ‘em wonderin’ about truth and right an’ things like that, an’, gosh, they’ve got enough worries in their lives already. I mean, i hate to have to say it, an’ all, but you’re gonna have to be taken from here to a place of execution an’ there hanged by the neck until dead. I really sorry about this, kid.’

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Date: 30/01/2024 09:49:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119376
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

That poor fellow is discussed in the opening chapter of How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman.

Have to get back to reading said book soon.

Thanks for the reminder about that one. I really should read it.

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Date: 30/01/2024 10:45:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119389
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

seems like he was a bright boy too.

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Date: 30/01/2024 10:47:00
From: esselte
ID: 2119391
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

That poor fellow is discussed in the opening chapter of How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman.

Have to get back to reading said book soon.

Thanks for the reminder about that one. I really should read it.

Wha’s like us? Damn few’ and they’re A’ deid

The typical English man in his home he calls his castle, finishes his breakfast of toast and MARMALADE invented by Mrs Kieller of Dundee Scotland, and slips into his RAINCOAT patented by Charles MacIntosh from Glasgow Scotland.

He walks to his office along an English lane which is surfaced by TARMAC, invented by John Loudon Macadam of Ayr Scotland- or he drives his English car which is fitted with PNEUMATIC TYRES patented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn Scotland.

Before he acquired a car he used to travel to his office by train which was powered by a STEAM ENGINE invented by James Watt of Greenock Scotland.

In his office he deals with the mail bearing ADHESIVE STAMPS invented by John Chalmers of Dundee Scotland, and makes frequent use of the TELEPHONE invented by Alexander Graham Bell born in Edinburgh Scotland.
At home in the evening he dines on his favourite traditional ROAST BEEF from Aberdeen Angus raised in Aberdeenshire Scotland and the watches an item on the TELEVISION an invention of John Logie Baird of Helensburgh Scotland.

His son prefers to read TREASURE ISLAND written by Robert Louis Stevenson born in Edinburgh Scotland, whilst his daughter plays in the garden with her BICYCLE, an invention of Kirkpatrick MacMillan, of Thornhill Scotland.

It is impossible for an Englishman to escape the ingenuity of the Scots!

In desperation he turns to his BIBLE only to find that the first person mentioned in the good book is a Scot King James VI, who authorised it’s translation.

He could of course turn to drink, but Scotland makes the finest WHISKY in the world. Nearing the end of his tether he could uplift a rifle to end it all but the BREECH LOADING RIFLE was invented by Captain Patrick Ferguson of Pitfours Scotland.

Anyway if he escaped death he could find himself injected with PENICILLIN discovered by Sir Alexander Flemming Bacterialologist of Darvel Scotland, or given CHLOROFORM, an anaesthetic first used by Sir James Young Simpson of Bathgate Scotland.

Out of the anasthetic his mood would not be improved if he’s surgeon told him he was as safe as the BANK OF ENGLAND founded by William Paterson of Dumfries Scotland.

Perhaps, in order to get some peace, he should request a transfusion of guid Scottish blood so he to would be entitled to ask…
Wha’s like us?

Damn few and they’re A’ deid!

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Date: 30/01/2024 10:53:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2119395
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

That poor fellow is discussed in the opening chapter of How the Scots Invented the Modern World by Arthur Herman.

Have to get back to reading said book soon.

Thanks for the reminder about that one. I really should read it.

Wha’s like us? Damn few’ and they’re A’ deid

The typical English man in his home he calls his castle, finishes his breakfast of toast and MARMALADE invented by Mrs Kieller of Dundee Scotland, and slips into his RAINCOAT patented by Charles MacIntosh from Glasgow Scotland.

He walks to his office along an English lane which is surfaced by TARMAC, invented by John Loudon Macadam of Ayr Scotland- or he drives his English car which is fitted with PNEUMATIC TYRES patented by John Boyd Dunlop of Dreghorn Scotland.

Before he acquired a car he used to travel to his office by train which was powered by a STEAM ENGINE invented by James Watt of Greenock Scotland.

In his office he deals with the mail bearing ADHESIVE STAMPS invented by John Chalmers of Dundee Scotland, and makes frequent use of the TELEPHONE invented by Alexander Graham Bell born in Edinburgh Scotland.
At home in the evening he dines on his favourite traditional ROAST BEEF from Aberdeen Angus raised in Aberdeenshire Scotland and the watches an item on the TELEVISION an invention of John Logie Baird of Helensburgh Scotland.

His son prefers to read TREASURE ISLAND written by Robert Louis Stevenson born in Edinburgh Scotland, whilst his daughter plays in the garden with her BICYCLE, an invention of Kirkpatrick MacMillan, of Thornhill Scotland.

It is impossible for an Englishman to escape the ingenuity of the Scots!

In desperation he turns to his BIBLE only to find that the first person mentioned in the good book is a Scot King James VI, who authorised it’s translation.

He could of course turn to drink, but Scotland makes the finest WHISKY in the world. Nearing the end of his tether he could uplift a rifle to end it all but the BREECH LOADING RIFLE was invented by Captain Patrick Ferguson of Pitfours Scotland.

Anyway if he escaped death he could find himself injected with PENICILLIN discovered by Sir Alexander Flemming Bacterialologist of Darvel Scotland, or given CHLOROFORM, an anaesthetic first used by Sir James Young Simpson of Bathgate Scotland.

Out of the anasthetic his mood would not be improved if he’s surgeon told him he was as safe as the BANK OF ENGLAND founded by William Paterson of Dumfries Scotland.

Perhaps, in order to get some peace, he should request a transfusion of guid Scottish blood so he to would be entitled to ask…
Wha’s like us?

Damn few and they’re A’ deid!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breechloader#Firearms

Link

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Date: 30/01/2024 17:40:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119562
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Thomas Aikenhead:

In 1697, a young Scottish student named Thomas Aikenhead made some rather shocking statements. Statements that, at the time, did not go over well at all. It wasn’t Aikenhead’s intention to shock people, mind you — he merely got drawn into an argument with fellow students at the University of Edinburgh.

The discussion was one of a philosophical and religious nature. Some of Aikenhead’s fellow students were shocked by his irreligious stance. They reported him to the authorities for blasphemy. Here is the indictment, summing up what the young Scottish student said:

The prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra’s fables, in profane allusion to Esop’s Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ

The case was brought in front of the Lord Advocate, Sir James Stewart of Scotland. Who decided to make an example of the rebellious student and have him put to death for his blasphemous statements. A jury agreed, and the death penalty was delivered.

Thomas Aikenhead was only twenty years old when he was taken to the gallows in 1697. He was the last person in Great Britain to be put to death for blasphemy. Many of the things he said could have been by any edgy teenager on Reddit or Quora. But three hundred years ago, such commentary was lethal. To be ahead of your times can often have lethal consequences.

A head.

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Date: 31/01/2024 08:40:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119712
Subject: re: today I learned

… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

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Date: 31/01/2024 08:56:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119713
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

Just as long as you stay grounded.

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Date: 31/01/2024 09:10:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2119715
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

I’m sure sibeen had it sorted :)

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Date: 31/01/2024 09:48:25
From: Ian
ID: 2119723
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

What was the middle thing?

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Date: 31/01/2024 10:18:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119735
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

What was the middle thing?

What middle thing?

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Date: 31/01/2024 10:37:40
From: transition
ID: 2119740
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

looking at sign on electrical substation whatever (pump station nearby also) other day, as recall it advised leaving the area during lightning storms, the large enclosed areas where transformers etc are

i’d never considered it before, but yeah consider lightning voltages and currents, rise time of pulses, yeah good reasons not to be in there, even things with shared earths, and possibly the earth-proper even over short distances could have substantial potential different during lightning pulses(which are fault currents really)

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Date: 31/01/2024 10:38:48
From: transition
ID: 2119741
Subject: re: today I learned

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

looking at sign on electrical substation whatever (pump station nearby also) other day, as recall it advised leaving the area during lightning storms, the large enclosed areas where transformers etc are

i’d never considered it before, but yeah consider lightning voltages and currents, rise time of pulses, yeah good reasons not to be in there, even things with shared earths, and possibly the earth-proper even over short distances could have substantial potential different during lightning pulses(which are fault currents really)

substantial potential difference

should say

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Date: 31/01/2024 13:30:05
From: Ian
ID: 2119828
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… that I really don’t understand how electrical earthing systems work.

It’s all pretty complicated

What was the middle thing?

What middle thing?

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:21:44
From: dv
ID: 2119900
Subject: re: today I learned

There are no vipers in Australia.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:27:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119904
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are no vipers in Australia.

Never have been.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:29:19
From: dv
ID: 2119906
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

There are no vipers in Australia.

Never have been.

ARE YOU SURE???

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:31:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119909
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

There are no vipers in Australia.

Never have been.

ARE YOU SURE???

They didn’t evolve here.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:38:59
From: dv
ID: 2119913
Subject: re: today I learned

Despite superficial similarities, falcons are not closely related to the accipitriform birds of prey (hawks, eagles, vultures, kites).

The only birds closely related to the falcons are the parrots, the Caracas, and the passerine birds (sparrows, tits, crows, warblers, nuthatches etc),

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:41:32
From: dv
ID: 2119914
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Never have been.

ARE YOU SURE???

They didn’t evolve here.

True enough.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:51:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2119917
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are no vipers in Australia.

Huh.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:53:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119918
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Despite superficial similarities, falcons are not closely related to the accipitriform birds of prey (hawks, eagles, vultures, kites).

The only birds closely related to the falcons are the parrots, the Caracas, and the passerine birds (sparrows, tits, crows, warblers, nuthatches etc),

Our budgie, Vice-Admiral Sir Bertram Birtle RN (retd), former Admiral of the Blue, is Caracas.

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:58:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119924
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

ARE YOU SURE???

They didn’t evolve here.

True enough.

Are you sure that’s enough?

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Date: 31/01/2024 18:59:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119925
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Despite superficial similarities, falcons are not closely related to the accipitriform birds of prey (hawks, eagles, vultures, kites).

The only birds closely related to the falcons are the parrots, the Caracas, and the passerine birds (sparrows, tits, crows, warblers, nuthatches etc),

Our budgie, Vice-Admiral Sir Bertram Birtle RN (retd), former Admiral of the Blue, is Caracas.

Love it.

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Date: 5/02/2024 15:48:53
From: dv
ID: 2122053
Subject: re: today I learned

All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

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Date: 5/02/2024 15:55:50
From: OCDC
ID: 2122057
Subject: re: today I learned

This reminds me of a question I had: how could Optus tell that people had attempted to contact 000 when the network was down?

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:03:00
From: kii
ID: 2122059
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Most people are a bit frantic when calling for help.
Is it 001 for the house is on fire?
Etcetera…

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:03:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2122060
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Most people are a bit frantic when calling for help.
Is it 001 for the house is on fire?
Etcetera…

One number to remember for panic stations.

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:04:54
From: Arts
ID: 2122062
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Sometimes the operator can determine the best type of service.. and sometimes multiple services are needed to a singular event.

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:07:47
From: Arts
ID: 2122063
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


kii said:

dv said:

All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Most people are a bit frantic when calling for help.
Is it 001 for the house is on fire?
Etcetera…

One number to remember for panic stations.

I had read somewhere once (and don’t know how true it is) that if you call 911 from Australia it will still connect you to 000 it sounds like an internet myth but I would also like to believe it’s true, because catering to the LCD seems like something that should be done in emergency/ high stress situations, when they are also doing it to tell people that peanuts might contain nuts.

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:45:12
From: Kingy
ID: 2122080
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Your search – “NTICTTOI” acronym – did not match any documents

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:45:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2122081
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


roughbarked said:

kii said:

Most people are a bit frantic when calling for help.
Is it 001 for the house is on fire?
Etcetera…

One number to remember for panic stations.

I had read somewhere once (and don’t know how true it is) that if you call 911 from Australia it will still connect you to 000 it sounds like an internet myth but I would also like to believe it’s true, because catering to the LCD seems like something that should be done in emergency/ high stress situations, when they are also doing it to tell people that peanuts might contain nuts.

‘911
You cannot call 911. This number is used by emergency services in the United States and can’t be used to call emergency services in Australia.’ – https://www.acma.gov.au/emergency-calls#_11

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:50:55
From: OCDC
ID: 2122084
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:

dv said:
All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Your search – “NTICTTOI” acronym – did not match any documents
Now that I come to think of it.

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Date: 5/02/2024 16:52:48
From: kii
ID: 2122086
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Your search – “NTICTTOI” acronym – did not match any documents

It’s best to just smile at him, and say nothing.

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Date: 5/02/2024 18:30:49
From: dv
ID: 2122117
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

All 000 calls in Australia are answered by Telstra employees.

NTICTTOI it does seem odd that, given the urgency, there’s a separate layer to get through before connecting to the service you require. Like why can’t 001 be for police, 002 for ambulance, 003 for fire, going directly to the service?

Your search – “NTICTTOI” acronym – did not match any documents

I have faith in you

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Date: 5/02/2024 18:37:11
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2122119
Subject: re: today I learned

I have a red-eared firetail in the garden. Not my pic

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Date: 5/02/2024 19:07:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2122128
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


I have a red-eared firetail in the garden. Not my pic


Nice.

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Date: 6/02/2024 11:34:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2122264
Subject: re: today I learned

Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

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Date: 6/02/2024 11:47:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2122276
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

He had his moments.

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Date: 6/02/2024 11:50:47
From: Michael V
ID: 2122279
Subject: re: today I learned

That Bushmasters are huge vehicles. Saw six on the road, travelling in a convoy yesterday. Looked them up today.

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Date: 6/02/2024 11:53:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2122281
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

My younger brother is a fan, can’t say I am.

When I’m in the mood for that kind of crooning (which is very rarely), I prefer Dean Martin.

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Date: 6/02/2024 11:55:02
From: Tamb
ID: 2122283
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

My younger brother is a fan, can’t say I am.

When I’m in the mood for that kind of crooning (which is very rarely), I prefer Dean Martin.


IMO Frank has a beautiful speaking voice.

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Date: 6/02/2024 12:29:48
From: Ian
ID: 2122296
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

Not always great at finding the note. 2/10

Interesting about his links to the Mob and JFK.

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Date: 6/02/2024 12:39:07
From: dv
ID: 2122300
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Since my young days, I have always dismissed Frank Sinatra as mum&dad music, but today I learned that Paul Kelley thinks he’s really great.

I mean a whole chapter in his book great.

So what do others think?

I mean probably more grandparent music, or for young adults today more like great great grandparent music.

Nothing wrong with him I suppose but it’s pretty basic competent crooning of banal songs.

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Date: 9/02/2024 17:30:22
From: dv
ID: 2123456
Subject: re: today I learned

The movie Coraline is based on a novel by Neil Gaiman

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Date: 9/02/2024 17:45:17
From: dv
ID: 2123465
Subject: re: today I learned

The Istanbul Canal (Turkish: Kanal İstanbul pronounced ) is a project for an artificial sea-level waterway planned by Turkey in East Thrace, connecting the Black Sea to the Sea of Marmara, and thus to the Aegean and Mediterranean seas. Istanbul Canal would bisect the current European side of Istanbul and thus form an island between Asia and Europe (the island would have a shoreline with the Black Sea, Sea of Marmara, the new canal and the Bosporus). The new waterway would bypass the current Bosporus.

—-

The canal is being created to alleviate bottlenecks currently being faced at the Bosporus. The new canal will be 360 metres wide with a draft of 17 metres.

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Date: 9/02/2024 17:57:20
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2123471
Subject: re: today I learned

The werewolf game.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/M8j1xWbyfjI

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Date: 9/02/2024 17:58:01
From: buffy
ID: 2123472
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The movie Coraline is based on a novel by Neil Gaiman

I found that book somewhat distressing.

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Date: 9/02/2024 18:00:02
From: dv
ID: 2123475
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

The movie Coraline is based on a novel by Neil Gaiman

I found that book somewhat distressing.

I just bought it for my nephew

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Date: 9/02/2024 18:03:36
From: kii
ID: 2123483
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The movie Coraline is based on a novel by Neil Gaiman

I have the book. I have read the book.

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Date: 9/02/2024 20:26:24
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2123583
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_Hole

Link

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Date: 9/02/2024 22:47:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2123615
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_Hole

Link

A good thing Russia did if only for self-interest. Still, they have a useful purpose with their military in protecting the fish stock against the greedy, selfish and with no concern for the environment.

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Date: 10/02/2024 13:31:15
From: OCDC
ID: 2123753
Subject: re: today I learned

tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

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Date: 10/02/2024 13:32:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2123755
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

There you are then.

Sarahs mum doesn’t like it but I often use it with fish, poultry and eggs.

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Date: 10/02/2024 13:34:01
From: buffy
ID: 2123757
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

But…there is both French tarragon and Russian tarragon and never the twain shall meet. Much snobbery exists.

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Date: 10/02/2024 13:37:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2123760
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


OCDC said:

tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

But…there is both French tarragon and Russian tarragon and never the twain shall meet. Much snobbery exists.

With the French involved, no doubt.

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Date: 10/02/2024 13:43:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2123768
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

Tastes rank.

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Date: 10/02/2024 14:06:25
From: dv
ID: 2123785
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


OCDC said:

tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

Tastes rank.

harsh

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Date: 10/02/2024 14:13:02
From: kii
ID: 2123787
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


OCDC said:

tarragon (n.)
Artemisia Dracunculus, Eastern European composite plant of the wormwood genus, native to Russia and temperate Asia, 1530s, from Medieval Latin tragonia, from Byzantine Greek tarchon, from Arabic tarkhon, which is said to be (OED, 1989) from a non-Arabic source, perhaps Greek drakon “serpent, dragon” (via drakontion “dragonwort”)

Tastes rank.

I remember having it with eggs. Maybe chook.
Wormwood, yes. I remember that from my herby hippy days.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:07:59
From: dv
ID: 2124286
Subject: re: today I learned

The female vocals for Michael Jackson’s 1992 hit In The Closet were performed by Princess Stéphanie of Monaco.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:11:35
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2124287
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The female vocals for Michael Jackson’s 1992 hit In The Closet were performed by Princess Stéphanie of Monaco.

well. I.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:37:15
From: dv
ID: 2124294
Subject: re: today I learned

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:40:21
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2124295
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

I learnt that today also.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:45:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2124296
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

There are some fairly deep trenches but no troops or tanks.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:46:36
From: party_pants
ID: 2124297
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

I learnt that today also.

It was discussed here not so long ago IIRC.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:48:11
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2124298
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

I learnt that today also.

It was discussed here not so long ago IIRC.

if only i read all posts.

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Date: 11/02/2024 21:50:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2124300
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

i posted about that a few months ago.

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Date: 11/02/2024 22:55:17
From: Kingy
ID: 2124310
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

There’s an 85 metre land boundary between Victoria and Tasmania, on Boundary Islet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

I learnt that today also.

It was discussed here not so long ago IIRC.

waves

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Date: 12/02/2024 10:48:15
From: dv
ID: 2124404
Subject: re: today I learned
Aphids are small sap-sucking insects and members of the superfamily Aphidoidea. Common names include greenfly and blackfly, although individuals within a species can vary widely in color. The group includes the fluffy white woolly aphids. A typical life cycle involves flightless females giving live birth to female nymphs—who may also be already pregnant, an adaptation scientists call telescoping generations —without the involvement of males.
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Date: 12/02/2024 10:51:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2124406
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Aphids are small sap-sucking insects and members of the superfamily Aphidoidea. Common names include greenfly and blackfly, although individuals within a species can vary widely in color. The group includes the fluffy white woolly aphids. A typical life cycle involves flightless females giving live birth to female nymphs—who may also be already pregnant, an adaptation scientists call telescoping generations —without the involvement of males.

Born pregnant, what a life.

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Date: 12/02/2024 10:55:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2124408
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Aphids are small sap-sucking insects and members of the superfamily Aphidoidea. Common names include greenfly and blackfly, although individuals within a species can vary widely in color. The group includes the fluffy white woolly aphids. A typical life cycle involves flightless females giving live birth to female nymphs—who may also be already pregnant, an adaptation scientists call telescoping generations —without the involvement of males.

Lucky they were saved by Noah.

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Date: 14/02/2024 15:58:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2125444
Subject: re: today I learned

There is a search engine called SwissCows:

https://swisscows.com/en

Should I give up bingeing and start swisscowing instead?

Perhaps.

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Date: 14/02/2024 16:01:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2125447
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


There is a search engine called SwissCows:

https://swisscows.com/en

Should I give up bingeing and start swisscowing instead?

Perhaps.

TATE tells me:

Swisscows is a web search engine launched in 2014, a project of Hulbee AG, a company based in Egnach, Switzerland. It uses semantic data recognition that gives faster answers to queries and claims to not store users’ data. Swisscows also deems itself family-friendly, with explicit results entirely omitted. The engine’s servers are based in underground data centers under the Swiss Alps, and geographically outside of EU and US.

Swisscows uses Bing for web search, but has also built its own index for the German language edition. It also has shopping search, music search (powered by SoundCloud), and a language translator powered by Yandex.

so it seems I can continue to Binge and SwissCow at the same time.

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:14:00
From: esselte
ID: 2125480
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:29:14
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2125483
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:37:48
From: esselte
ID: 2125486
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


esselte said:

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.


Nice.

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:45:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2125491
Subject: re: today I learned

The Scythians are thought to have been among the first to geld their horses, as they valued war horses that were quiet and less defensive, as well as easier to keep in groups and less likely to be territorial, without the temptation of reproductive/mating urges. Aristotle is said to have mentioned gelding as early as 350 BC.

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:49:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2125493
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


esselte said:

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.


It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.

We need to build a canal!

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Date: 14/02/2024 18:51:59
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2125494
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Spiny Norman said:

esselte said:

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.


It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.

We need to build a canal!

Who here has canal knowledge?

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Date: 14/02/2024 19:38:46
From: Michael V
ID: 2125502
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Spiny Norman said:

esselte said:

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.


It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.

We need to build a canal!

A Far Canal.

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Date: 14/02/2024 19:47:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2125504
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Spiny Norman said:

esselte said:

TIL the area highlighted in the centre of this map is an island.

Bananal Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananal_Island

Bananal Island is a large river island formed from the bisection of the Araguaia River, in southwestern Tocantins, Brazil. The island is formed by a fork in a very flat section of the Araguaia River. Bananal Island is the second largest river island in the world and the largest without an ocean coastline, at 350 kilometres (220 mi) long and 55 kilometres (34 mi) wide. Its total area is 19,162.25 square kilometres (7,398.59 sq mi). The rivers within the island flow parallel to the Araguaia, and the Jaburu do Bananal is the longest river within a river.

Got one that’s more amazing than that, and it’s local.
A while back I was interested in just how far the Murray River went, so I carefully traced quite a lot of branches until they finally ended. Turns out that the longest one is only a couple of hours drive from here, near Killarney. Yep, the furthest extreme of the Murray river is up near south-east Queensland. I circled it in blue.
The amazing part is under a kilometre to the east is the start of a creek that gradually grows as it’s fed from other creeks, and it eventually ends up draining into the Brisbane river – So for a piece of land less than a kilometre long, the entire section of Australia from around Brisbane to near Adelaide would also be an island. It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.


It’ll never happen though as the difference in height between the two ends is over a hundred metres.

We need to build a canal!

I think the Edward River and the Murray have an Island since the Edward is an anabranch.

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:07:48
From: dv
ID: 2126048
Subject: re: today I learned

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:15:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2126054
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

The bastards.

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:27:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2126060
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:32:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2126064
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951


I know, I know this one.
Julie Andrews and a creature from a space movie.

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:32:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2126065
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

The bastards.

The hills are alive with the sound of music…

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Date: 16/02/2024 15:37:24
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2126068
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

The bastards.

Sibeen’s favourite Xmas carol. God bless him but he had an odd taste in music.

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Date: 16/02/2024 16:34:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2126085
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

The bastards.

and I’ve had to put up with it ever since. :(

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Date: 16/02/2024 16:53:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2126099
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was made by the Trapp Family Singers in 1951

A very good year.

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Date: 18/02/2024 09:04:01
From: dv
ID: 2126651
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 18/02/2024 09:13:05
From: OCDC
ID: 2126652
Subject: re: today I learned

I could go some choccy cake now. Maybe I’ll make one for lunch.

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Date: 18/02/2024 09:14:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2126653
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


I could go some choccy cake now. Maybe I’ll make one for lunch.

A fine proposal.

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Date: 18/02/2024 09:15:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2126654
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


OCDC said:

I could go some choccy cake now. Maybe I’ll make one for lunch.

A fine proposal.

Can I pop over? I should be there by lunch.

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Date: 18/02/2024 09:16:05
From: OCDC
ID: 2126655
Subject: re: today I learned

Out of sweetener and CBA going to the shops, so maybe I won’t. But this one would’ve been nice:

https://alldayidreamaboutfood.com/protein-mug-cake/

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Date: 18/02/2024 16:25:38
From: dv
ID: 2126901
Subject: re: today I learned

Australia’s Highway 1 extends to Tasmania, where it runs from Burnie to Hobart.

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Date: 18/02/2024 16:27:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2126902
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Australia’s Highway 1 extends to Tasmania, where it runs from Burnie to Hobart.

There’s a submarine extension?

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Date: 18/02/2024 17:04:04
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2126921
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Australia’s Highway 1 extends to Tasmania, where it runs from Burnie to Hobart.

true. And the ship across bass strait receives fed funding due to this.

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Date: 18/02/2024 17:40:48
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2126938
Subject: re: today I learned

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/418

Link

LOL.

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Date: 18/02/2024 20:14:37
From: dv
ID: 2126999
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 19/02/2024 13:04:52
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2127156
Subject: re: today I learned

Well I did not know this.
The head of the Star Wars Mandalorian IG-11 droid is from an old Derwent jet engine flame holder tube, inside the combustor section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGQwgId-Bc

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Date: 19/02/2024 16:17:28
From: dv
ID: 2127214
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Well I did not know this.
The head of the Star Wars Mandalorian IG-11 droid is from an old Derwent jet engine flame holder tube, inside the combustor section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGQwgId-Bc

That’s awesome

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Date: 22/02/2024 09:20:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2128032
Subject: re: today I learned

That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

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Date: 22/02/2024 09:27:05
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2128035
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Dementia is pernicious my friend.

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Date: 22/02/2024 09:30:10
From: OCDC
ID: 2128040
Subject: re: today I learned

… a wok ladle is a hoak. Good K word for Words With Enemata TM.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:06:25
From: OCDC
ID: 2128059
Subject: re: today I learned

… chitin is a carbohydrate, not a protein.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:10:57
From: dv
ID: 2128066
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Who sings it?

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:14:06
From: dv
ID: 2128068
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


… chitin is a carbohydrate, not a protein.

You’re doing a lot of learneding today

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:17:37
From: OCDC
ID: 2128069
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

OCDC said:
… chitin is a carbohydrate, not a protein.
You’re doing a lot of learneding today
Caught up on sleep. One brane cell is active, cf zero the last few days.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:22:19
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2128073
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Who sings it?

mary hopkins. sandie shaw did a version in the same year.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:23:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2128075
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Who sings it?

mary hopkins. sandie shaw did a version in the same year.

drop the s.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:24:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2128078
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Who sings it?

mary hopkins. sandie shaw did a version in the same year.

drop the s.

She also sang ‘Temma Harbour’.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:24:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2128079
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Who sings it?

Dear oh dear, young people these days.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:28:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2128086
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

That I didn’t know half the words of “Those were the days”.

Who sings it?

Mary Hopkin.

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Date: 22/02/2024 10:41:20
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2128092
Subject: re: today I learned

Yeongno eat the rich and therefore should be more of them.

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Date: 22/02/2024 11:01:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2128109
Subject: re: today I learned

Her debut single, “Those Were the Days”, produced by McCartney, was released in the UK on 30 August 1968. Despite competition from well-established star Sandie Shaw, whose own single version of the song was also released that year, Hopkin’s version became a number 1 hit on the UK Singles Chart. It reached number 2 on the US Billboard Hot 100, where for three weeks it was held out of the top spot by the Beatles’ “Hey Jude”, and spent two weeks at number 1 on Canada’s RPM singles chart. It sold over 1,500,000 copies in the United States alone, and was awarded a gold disc by the RIAA. Global sales topped 8,000,000.

On 2 October 1968, Hopkin appeared at St Paul’s Cathedral in London for the Pop Experience, where she sang “Morning of My Life”, “Turn Turn Turn” and “Plaisir d’amour”. In December that year, the NME music magazine reported that Hopkin was considering a lead acting role in Stanley Baker’s planned film Rape of the Fair Country, which was to be based on Alexander Cordell’s book of the same name. That particular project did not materialise but Hopkin did sing the title songs to two of Baker’s films, Where’s Jack? and Kidnapped.

On 21 February 1969, Hopkin’s debut album, Post Card, again produced by McCartney, was released. It included covers of three songs from Donovan, who also played on the album, and one song each from George Martin and Harry Nilsson. It reached number 3 on the UK Albums Chart, although it proved to be her solitary success in that chart. In the United States, Post Card reached number 28 on the Billboard albums chart.

The next single was “Goodbye”, written by McCartney (credited to Lennon–McCartney), and released on 26 March 1969. It reached number 2 on the UK Singles Chart, number 13 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 15 on the RPM chart in Canada. Hopkin said she interpreted “Goodbye” as McCartney pledging to stop “micromanaging” her career, since she was uncomfortable with his positioning of her as a pop chanteuse. She also expressed dissatisfaction with her manager at this time, Terry Doran.

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Date: 22/02/2024 12:17:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2128152
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Her debut single, “Those Were the Days”, produced by McCartney, was released in the UK on 30 August 1968. Despite competition from well-established star Sandie Shaw, whose own single version of the song was also released that year, Hopkin’s version became a number 1 hit on the UK Singles Chart. It reached number 2 on the US Billboard Hot 100, where for three weeks it was held out of the top spot by the Beatles’ “Hey Jude”, and spent two weeks at number 1 on Canada’s RPM singles chart. It sold over 1,500,000 copies in the United States alone, and was awarded a gold disc by the RIAA. Global sales topped 8,000,000.

On 2 October 1968, Hopkin appeared at St Paul’s Cathedral in London for the Pop Experience, where she sang “Morning of My Life”, “Turn Turn Turn” and “Plaisir d’amour”. In December that year, the NME music magazine reported that Hopkin was considering a lead acting role in Stanley Baker’s planned film Rape of the Fair Country, which was to be based on Alexander Cordell’s book of the same name. That particular project did not materialise but Hopkin did sing the title songs to two of Baker’s films, Where’s Jack? and Kidnapped.

On 21 February 1969, Hopkin’s debut album, Post Card, again produced by McCartney, was released. It included covers of three songs from Donovan, who also played on the album, and one song each from George Martin and Harry Nilsson. It reached number 3 on the UK Albums Chart, although it proved to be her solitary success in that chart. In the United States, Post Card reached number 28 on the Billboard albums chart.

The next single was “Goodbye”, written by McCartney (credited to Lennon–McCartney), and released on 26 March 1969. It reached number 2 on the UK Singles Chart, number 13 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 15 on the RPM chart in Canada. Hopkin said she interpreted “Goodbye” as McCartney pledging to stop “micromanaging” her career, since she was uncomfortable with his positioning of her as a pop chanteuse. She also expressed dissatisfaction with her manager at this time, Terry Doran.

Later career is QI:

Mary Hopkin

I never heard anything of her after the early days.

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Date: 24/02/2024 23:51:22
From: dv
ID: 2129051
Subject: re: today I learned

The UK had high speed trains 45 years ago.

The British Rail Class 370 (aka APT-P) were in testing operations from 1980 til 1986, and had a top measured speed of 261 km/h. However a combination of signalling issues and lack of political support meant they never entered service. At 6000 kW they were the most powerful trains ever to operate un the UK other than the Eurostar from London to the tunnel.

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Date: 25/02/2024 07:56:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2129094
Subject: re: today I learned

of “Feynman’s” sprinkler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_sprinkler

Actually I must have read of it before, so I suppose I re-learned of Feynman’s sprinkler.

Either way, it’s QI.

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Date: 27/02/2024 10:08:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2129701
Subject: re: today I learned

Prussian blue was probably synthesized for the first time by the paint maker Johann Jacob Diesbach in Berlin around 1706. The pigment is believed to have been accidentally created when Diesbach used potash tainted with blood to create some red cochineal dye. The original dye required potash, ferric sulfate, and dried cochineal. Instead, the blood, potash, and iron sulfate reacted to create a compound known as iron ferrocyanide, which, unlike the desired red pigment, has a very distinct blue hue. It was named Preußisch blau and Berlinisch Blau in 1709 by its first trader.

….In 1752, French chemist Pierre J. Macquer made the important step of showing Prussian blue could be reduced to a salt of iron and a new acid, which could be used to reconstitute the dye. The new acid, hydrogen cyanide, first isolated from Prussian blue in pure form and characterized in 1782 by Swedish chemist Carl Wilhelm Scheele, was eventually given the name Blausäure (literally “blue acid”) because of its derivation from Prussian blue, and in English became known popularly as Prussic acid. Cyanide, a colorless anion that forms in the process of making Prussian blue, derives its name from the Greek word for dark blue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue

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Date: 28/02/2024 12:05:13
From: dv
ID: 2130027
Subject: re: today I learned

I’ll Make a Man Out Of You from Mulan was sung by Donny Osmond.

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Date: 29/02/2024 12:36:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2130411
Subject: re: today I learned

Dates derive their English name ultimately from the Greek dactylos, meaning finger, which the Greeks also used to describe this fruit because of its elongated shape.

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Date: 29/02/2024 13:15:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2130463
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Dates derive their English name ultimately from the Greek dactylos, meaning finger, which the Greeks also used to describe this fruit because of its elongated shape.

Isn’t it also a drupe?

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:44:12
From: dv
ID: 2130662
Subject: re: today I learned

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:45:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2130664
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:52:24
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2130665
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

frankie isn’t exactly an action man suitable for this part.imo.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:55:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2130666
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

frankie isn’t exactly an action man suitable for this part.imo.

He had his moments. ‘Von Ryan’s Express’ for one.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:55:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2130667
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

frankie isn’t exactly an action man suitable for this part.imo.

He had his moments. ‘Von Ryan’s Express’ for one.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:57:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2130669
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

frankie isn’t exactly an action man suitable for this part.imo.

Zombie ‘Blue Eyes’ would do it justice.

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Date: 29/02/2024 19:58:30
From: dv
ID: 2130671
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The novel on which Die Hard was based (Nothing Lasts Forever) was a sequel to The Detective. This first novel was the basis for a 1968 film of the same name starring Frank Sinatra.
Frank Sinatra was offered the McClane role in Die Hard but declined.

Now, there’s a project for some AI wizard.

Substitute Ol’ Blue Eyes into Bruce Willis’s role in ‘Die Hard’, and we could see how that might have worked out.

frankie isn’t exactly an action man suitable for this part.imo.

Well sure he’s not now.

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Date: 1/03/2024 14:26:23
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2130927
Subject: re: today I learned

Max Born, the maternal grandfather of Olivia Newton-John.

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Date: 1/03/2024 14:43:50
From: dv
ID: 2130935
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Max Born, the maternal grandfather of Olivia Newton-John.

Ha

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Date: 1/03/2024 14:48:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2130936
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Max Born, the maternal grandfather of Olivia Newton-John.

Ha

Here he is adjusting Wolfgang Pauli’s ear.

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Date: 1/03/2024 18:42:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2131042
Subject: re: today I learned

The phrase “Gordon Bennett” is a substitute for “gorblimey”, which is a substitute for “God blind me”.

Also Gordon’s dad Gordon founded the New York Herald.

According to the Internet.

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Date: 1/03/2024 19:00:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2131043
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The phrase “Gordon Bennett” is a substitute for “gorblimey”, which is a substitute for “God blind me”.

Also Gordon’s dad Gordon founded the New York Herald.

According to the Internet.

‘The cry of extreme surprise without being blasphemous. The British phrase Gordon Bennett has had a chequered history. But who or what was Gordon Bennett? Many theories have been put out there, but none really satisfy the myth. But let’s take a meandering wander through some of the possible origins of this glorious phrase.
We should start with the most common and oft touted explanation. Father and son, James Gordon Bennett Snr and James Gordon Bennett Jr. Firstly Bennett Snr was born in Banffshire, Scotland in 1795 and emigrated to the U.S where he founded The New York Herald. One thought is that he created, for the FDNY, The James Gordon Bennett medal for bravery, the highest honour a Fireman could receive. And New York fire men used to say ‘Gordon Bennett’ as a shock expletive when something was surprisingly good. As in ‘that was so good, it should win the Gordon Bennett’. Now Bennett Jr (known simply as Gordon Bennett to distinguish him from his father) was different kettle of fish altogether. Known as the first true playboy. He took control of the New York Herald and pretty much drained it of money. There are a few stories as to why we attribute the saying to him. The first story scandalised high society. He attended his own engagement party to socialite Caroline May where he arrived late, a little worse for wear and began (dependent on which source you believe) to urinate into the fireplace or on the Grand Piano. A little tinkle on the ivories it was not, but it was in full view of his eminent guests. Needless to say, I am sure some people exclaimed Gordon Bennett to that spectacle.
Another tale is that he was flying an early plane. And like Buster Keaton flew it straight through an open barn, to which the crowds shouted ‘That’s Gordon Bennett’.
Yet another, according to Bill Bryson is that he would often appear in restaurants a little worse for wear (there is a theme here) and announce himself with his party trick. Which was to whip away the table clothes of well-to-do diners whilst they were eating, then handing the maitre’d a large wad of cash before leaving. Again, with the onlookers sneering ‘That’s Gordon Bennett’
He was an avid sportsman and created several sporting cups. For yachting, hot air ballooning and one for motor racing. And motor racing is where the next lovely story comes from. The Gordon Bennett Cup was being held in County Kildare, Ireland in 1903. With an influx of wealthy foreign patrons, the local restaurant, bar and café owners could smell money in the air and put their prices up significantly, to which the locals exclaimed ‘Gordon Bennett’. He was also an intrepid adventurer. It is claimed, he also charged Stanley to find Dr Livingstone in deepest darkest Africa, which some believe is where the saying came from.
Other Claims to the Source
Others believe that Henry Gordon Bennett is the rightful owner of the expression. He was a disgraced Australian General who deserted his troops. Although evidence is thin on the ground for this claim.
More down to earth though is Gordon Bennett from Pontefract, a little-known biscuit maker who used to ride his bicycle around town shouting at the top of his voice ‘Gordon Bennett’. This is a quaint story but again there is not much to back it up. I wouldn’t say there was a crumb of evidence but it is wafer thin.
There is of course the mild blasphemous story too. Some believe it comes from God and Dammit, or Cor Blimey, or simply a euphemistic extension of God! or Gawd! made into a proper name to lessen the offence.
Wherever the phrase comes from, it’s now in common parlance. Whether it is being bleated out by Alf Garnett in ‘Til Death do us part’. Snidely whispered by Del Trotter in ‘Only Fools and Horses’. Or down the local. The wonderful thing is that as an expletive it has a charm all of its own.
We strive to make you say Gordon Bennett every time you deal with us. ‘Gordon Bennett, I didn’t know we still made that in Britain’ or ‘Gordon Bennett, that product is beautiful’.”

From here.
https://www.sirgordonbennett.com/gordons-bugle/gordon-bennett/

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Date: 1/03/2024 19:01:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2131045
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The phrase “Gordon Bennett” is a substitute for “gorblimey”, which is a substitute for “God blind me”.

Also Gordon’s dad Gordon founded the New York Herald.

According to the Internet.

Gordon Bennett (9 October 1955 – 3 June 2014) was an Australian artist of Aboriginal and Anglo-Celtic descent. Born in Monto, Queensland, Bennett was a significant figure in contemporary Indigenous Australian art.

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Date: 1/03/2024 19:09:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2131047
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The phrase “Gordon Bennett” is a substitute for “gorblimey”, which is a substitute for “God blind me”.

Also Gordon’s dad Gordon founded the New York Herald.

According to the Internet.

Gordon Bennett (9 October 1955 – 3 June 2014) was an Australian artist of Aboriginal and Anglo-Celtic descent. Born in Monto, Queensland, Bennett was a significant figure in contemporary Indigenous Australian art.


Gordon Bennett.

He was also previously a brigadier in the Australian army.

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Date: 1/03/2024 19:11:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2131049
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The phrase “Gordon Bennett” is a substitute for “gorblimey”, which is a substitute for “God blind me”.

Also Gordon’s dad Gordon founded the New York Herald.

According to the Internet.

Gordon Bennett (9 October 1955 – 3 June 2014) was an Australian artist of Aboriginal and Anglo-Celtic descent. Born in Monto, Queensland, Bennett was a significant figure in contemporary Indigenous Australian art.


Gordon Bennett.

He was also previously a brigadier in the Australian army.

Noted for his defense of Singapore?

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Date: 1/03/2024 19:11:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2131050
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

Gordon Bennett (9 October 1955 – 3 June 2014) was an Australian artist of Aboriginal and Anglo-Celtic descent. Born in Monto, Queensland, Bennett was a significant figure in contemporary Indigenous Australian art.


Gordon Bennett.

He was also previously a brigadier in the Australian army.

Noted for his defense of Singapore?

He got around, did Gordon.

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Date: 2/03/2024 23:35:00
From: dv
ID: 2131488
Subject: re: today I learned

Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

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Date: 3/03/2024 07:43:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2131541
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

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Date: 3/03/2024 08:53:17
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2131549
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well. The term was first coined in 1932 by Thomas Kendrick, who later became the Keeper of British Antiquities at the British Museum. A broader usage of henge to refer to standing-stone monuments was recorded in Yorkshire in 1740, from Old English usage dating to back to at least the 10th century, with a root of either hencg ‘hinge’, or hen©en ‘to hang, to suspend’.

wiki. and

Henge (> 20 m (65 ft)). The word henge refers to a particular type of earthwork of the Neolithic period, typically consisting of a roughly circular or oval-shaped bank with an internal ditch surrounding a central flat area of more than 20 m (66 ft) in diameter. There is typically little if any evidence of occupation in a henge, although they may contain ritual structures such as stone circles, timber circles and coves. Henge monument is sometimes used as a synonym for henge. Henges sometimes, but by no means always, featured stone or timber circles, and circle henge is sometimes used to describe these structures. The three largest stone circles in Britain (Avebury, the Great Circle at Stanton Drew stone circles, and the Ring of Brodgar) are each within a henge. Examples of henges without significant internal monuments are the three henges of Thornborough Henges. Although having given its name to the word henge, Stonehenge is atypical in that the ditch is outside the main earthwork bank.

Hengiform monument (5–20 m (15–65 ft)). Like an ordinary henge, except the central flat area is between 5 and 20 m (16–66 ft) in diameter, they comprise a modest earthwork with a fairly wide outer bank. The terms mini-henge (also minihenge) or Dorchester henge are sometimes used as synonyms for hengiform monument. An example is the Neolithic site at Wormy Hillock Henge.

Henge enclosure (> 300 m (1,000 ft)). A Neolithic ring earthwork with the ditch inside the bank, with the central flat area having abundant evidence of occupation and usually being more than 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. Some true henges are as large as this (e.g., Avebury), but lack evidence of domestic occupation. Super-henge or superhenge is sometimes used as a synonym for a henge enclosure. However, sometimes the term is used to indicate size alone rather than use, e.g. “Marden henge … is the least understood of the four British ‘superhenges’ (the others being Avebury, Durrington Walls and Mount Pleasant Henge)”

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Date: 3/03/2024 09:33:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2131561
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well. The term was first coined in 1932 by Thomas Kendrick, who later became the Keeper of British Antiquities at the British Museum. A broader usage of henge to refer to standing-stone monuments was recorded in Yorkshire in 1740, from Old English usage dating to back to at least the 10th century, with a root of either hencg ‘hinge’, or hen©en ‘to hang, to suspend’.

wiki. and

Henge (> 20 m (65 ft)). The word henge refers to a particular type of earthwork of the Neolithic period, typically consisting of a roughly circular or oval-shaped bank with an internal ditch surrounding a central flat area of more than 20 m (66 ft) in diameter. There is typically little if any evidence of occupation in a henge, although they may contain ritual structures such as stone circles, timber circles and coves. Henge monument is sometimes used as a synonym for henge. Henges sometimes, but by no means always, featured stone or timber circles, and circle henge is sometimes used to describe these structures. The three largest stone circles in Britain (Avebury, the Great Circle at Stanton Drew stone circles, and the Ring of Brodgar) are each within a henge. Examples of henges without significant internal monuments are the three henges of Thornborough Henges. Although having given its name to the word henge, Stonehenge is atypical in that the ditch is outside the main earthwork bank.

Hengiform monument (5–20 m (15–65 ft)). Like an ordinary henge, except the central flat area is between 5 and 20 m (16–66 ft) in diameter, they comprise a modest earthwork with a fairly wide outer bank. The terms mini-henge (also minihenge) or Dorchester henge are sometimes used as synonyms for hengiform monument. An example is the Neolithic site at Wormy Hillock Henge.

Henge enclosure (> 300 m (1,000 ft)). A Neolithic ring earthwork with the ditch inside the bank, with the central flat area having abundant evidence of occupation and usually being more than 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. Some true henges are as large as this (e.g., Avebury), but lack evidence of domestic occupation. Super-henge or superhenge is sometimes used as a synonym for a henge enclosure. However, sometimes the term is used to indicate size alone rather than use, e.g. “Marden henge … is the least understood of the four British ‘superhenges’ (the others being Avebury, Durrington Walls and Mount Pleasant Henge)”

Thanks for doing my own research for me :)

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Date: 3/03/2024 09:34:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2131563
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well. The term was first coined in 1932 by Thomas Kendrick, who later became the Keeper of British Antiquities at the British Museum. A broader usage of henge to refer to standing-stone monuments was recorded in Yorkshire in 1740, from Old English usage dating to back to at least the 10th century, with a root of either hencg ‘hinge’, or hen©en ‘to hang, to suspend’.

wiki. and

Henge (> 20 m (65 ft)). The word henge refers to a particular type of earthwork of the Neolithic period, typically consisting of a roughly circular or oval-shaped bank with an internal ditch surrounding a central flat area of more than 20 m (66 ft) in diameter. There is typically little if any evidence of occupation in a henge, although they may contain ritual structures such as stone circles, timber circles and coves. Henge monument is sometimes used as a synonym for henge. Henges sometimes, but by no means always, featured stone or timber circles, and circle henge is sometimes used to describe these structures. The three largest stone circles in Britain (Avebury, the Great Circle at Stanton Drew stone circles, and the Ring of Brodgar) are each within a henge. Examples of henges without significant internal monuments are the three henges of Thornborough Henges. Although having given its name to the word henge, Stonehenge is atypical in that the ditch is outside the main earthwork bank.

Hengiform monument (5–20 m (15–65 ft)). Like an ordinary henge, except the central flat area is between 5 and 20 m (16–66 ft) in diameter, they comprise a modest earthwork with a fairly wide outer bank. The terms mini-henge (also minihenge) or Dorchester henge are sometimes used as synonyms for hengiform monument. An example is the Neolithic site at Wormy Hillock Henge.

Henge enclosure (> 300 m (1,000 ft)). A Neolithic ring earthwork with the ditch inside the bank, with the central flat area having abundant evidence of occupation and usually being more than 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. Some true henges are as large as this (e.g., Avebury), but lack evidence of domestic occupation. Super-henge or superhenge is sometimes used as a synonym for a henge enclosure. However, sometimes the term is used to indicate size alone rather than use, e.g. “Marden henge … is the least understood of the four British ‘superhenges’ (the others being Avebury, Durrington Walls and Mount Pleasant Henge)”

Thanks for all that informative.

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Date: 3/03/2024 09:38:04
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2131569
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well. The term was first coined in 1932 by Thomas Kendrick, who later became the Keeper of British Antiquities at the British Museum. A broader usage of henge to refer to standing-stone monuments was recorded in Yorkshire in 1740, from Old English usage dating to back to at least the 10th century, with a root of either hencg ‘hinge’, or hen©en ‘to hang, to suspend’.

wiki. and

Henge (> 20 m (65 ft)). The word henge refers to a particular type of earthwork of the Neolithic period, typically consisting of a roughly circular or oval-shaped bank with an internal ditch surrounding a central flat area of more than 20 m (66 ft) in diameter. There is typically little if any evidence of occupation in a henge, although they may contain ritual structures such as stone circles, timber circles and coves. Henge monument is sometimes used as a synonym for henge. Henges sometimes, but by no means always, featured stone or timber circles, and circle henge is sometimes used to describe these structures. The three largest stone circles in Britain (Avebury, the Great Circle at Stanton Drew stone circles, and the Ring of Brodgar) are each within a henge. Examples of henges without significant internal monuments are the three henges of Thornborough Henges. Although having given its name to the word henge, Stonehenge is atypical in that the ditch is outside the main earthwork bank.

Hengiform monument (5–20 m (15–65 ft)). Like an ordinary henge, except the central flat area is between 5 and 20 m (16–66 ft) in diameter, they comprise a modest earthwork with a fairly wide outer bank. The terms mini-henge (also minihenge) or Dorchester henge are sometimes used as synonyms for hengiform monument. An example is the Neolithic site at Wormy Hillock Henge.

Henge enclosure (> 300 m (1,000 ft)). A Neolithic ring earthwork with the ditch inside the bank, with the central flat area having abundant evidence of occupation and usually being more than 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. Some true henges are as large as this (e.g., Avebury), but lack evidence of domestic occupation. Super-henge or superhenge is sometimes used as a synonym for a henge enclosure. However, sometimes the term is used to indicate size alone rather than use, e.g. “Marden henge … is the least understood of the four British ‘superhenges’ (the others being Avebury, Durrington Walls and Mount Pleasant Henge)”

Thanks for doing my own research for me :)

You’re a busy man. I just lighten the load a little. it’s what I do.

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Date: 3/03/2024 09:40:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2131573
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well. The term was first coined in 1932 by Thomas Kendrick, who later became the Keeper of British Antiquities at the British Museum. A broader usage of henge to refer to standing-stone monuments was recorded in Yorkshire in 1740, from Old English usage dating to back to at least the 10th century, with a root of either hencg ‘hinge’, or hen©en ‘to hang, to suspend’.

wiki. and

Henge (> 20 m (65 ft)). The word henge refers to a particular type of earthwork of the Neolithic period, typically consisting of a roughly circular or oval-shaped bank with an internal ditch surrounding a central flat area of more than 20 m (66 ft) in diameter. There is typically little if any evidence of occupation in a henge, although they may contain ritual structures such as stone circles, timber circles and coves. Henge monument is sometimes used as a synonym for henge. Henges sometimes, but by no means always, featured stone or timber circles, and circle henge is sometimes used to describe these structures. The three largest stone circles in Britain (Avebury, the Great Circle at Stanton Drew stone circles, and the Ring of Brodgar) are each within a henge. Examples of henges without significant internal monuments are the three henges of Thornborough Henges. Although having given its name to the word henge, Stonehenge is atypical in that the ditch is outside the main earthwork bank.

Hengiform monument (5–20 m (15–65 ft)). Like an ordinary henge, except the central flat area is between 5 and 20 m (16–66 ft) in diameter, they comprise a modest earthwork with a fairly wide outer bank. The terms mini-henge (also minihenge) or Dorchester henge are sometimes used as synonyms for hengiform monument. An example is the Neolithic site at Wormy Hillock Henge.

Henge enclosure (> 300 m (1,000 ft)). A Neolithic ring earthwork with the ditch inside the bank, with the central flat area having abundant evidence of occupation and usually being more than 300 m (980 ft) in diameter. Some true henges are as large as this (e.g., Avebury), but lack evidence of domestic occupation. Super-henge or superhenge is sometimes used as a synonym for a henge enclosure. However, sometimes the term is used to indicate size alone rather than use, e.g. “Marden henge … is the least understood of the four British ‘superhenges’ (the others being Avebury, Durrington Walls and Mount Pleasant Henge)”

Thanks for doing my own research for me :)

You’re a busy man. I just lighten the load a little. it’s what I do.

You’re so kind. :)

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Date: 3/03/2024 13:12:04
From: dv
ID: 2131672
Subject: re: today I learned

Glass delusion is an external manifestation of a psychiatric disorder recorded in Europe mainly in the late Middle Ages and early modern period (15th to 17th centuries). People feared that they were made of glass “and therefore likely to shatter into pieces”.

Delusion
edit
In the 16th and 17th centuries of Europe, glass became a valuable commodity. It was regarded as a magical, alchemical object. Associated with fragility and luxury, glass influenced the way noblemen of early Europe perceived their esteemed positions in society. This fixation on a novel material contributed to the manifestation of the delusion. Edward Shorter, a historian of psychiatry from the University of Toronto, attributes the rise of the delusion in 17th century Europe to the novelty of glass material, stating that “throughout history, the inventive unconscious mind has pegged its delusions on to new materials and the technological advances of the age.”

Concentration of the glass delusion among the wealthy and educated classes allowed modern scholars to associate it with a wider and better described disorder of melancholy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion

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Date: 3/03/2024 13:14:32
From: dv
ID: 2131674
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Even though the word henge is just a backformation from Stonehenge, archaeologists do not consider Stonehenge to be a true henge.

So what does a henge need to do to be accepted as a true henge?

Not being a hengeologist I can do no more than copy from Wikipedia.

“The word henge is a backformation from Stonehenge, the famous monument in Wiltshire. Stonehenge is not a true henge, as its ditch runs outside its bank, although there is a small extant external bank as well.”

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Date: 3/03/2024 13:51:02
From: buffy
ID: 2131692
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Glass delusion is an external manifestation of a psychiatric disorder recorded in Europe mainly in the late Middle Ages and early modern period (15th to 17th centuries). People feared that they were made of glass “and therefore likely to shatter into pieces”.

Delusion
edit
In the 16th and 17th centuries of Europe, glass became a valuable commodity. It was regarded as a magical, alchemical object. Associated with fragility and luxury, glass influenced the way noblemen of early Europe perceived their esteemed positions in society. This fixation on a novel material contributed to the manifestation of the delusion. Edward Shorter, a historian of psychiatry from the University of Toronto, attributes the rise of the delusion in 17th century Europe to the novelty of glass material, stating that “throughout history, the inventive unconscious mind has pegged its delusions on to new materials and the technological advances of the age.”

Concentration of the glass delusion among the wealthy and educated classes allowed modern scholars to associate it with a wider and better described disorder of melancholy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion

I actually knew about that.

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Date: 3/03/2024 13:58:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2131694
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

Glass delusion is an external manifestation of a psychiatric disorder recorded in Europe mainly in the late Middle Ages and early modern period (15th to 17th centuries). People feared that they were made of glass “and therefore likely to shatter into pieces”.

Delusion
edit
In the 16th and 17th centuries of Europe, glass became a valuable commodity. It was regarded as a magical, alchemical object. Associated with fragility and luxury, glass influenced the way noblemen of early Europe perceived their esteemed positions in society. This fixation on a novel material contributed to the manifestation of the delusion. Edward Shorter, a historian of psychiatry from the University of Toronto, attributes the rise of the delusion in 17th century Europe to the novelty of glass material, stating that “throughout history, the inventive unconscious mind has pegged its delusions on to new materials and the technological advances of the age.”

Concentration of the glass delusion among the wealthy and educated classes allowed modern scholars to associate it with a wider and better described disorder of melancholy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion

I actually knew about that.

Sometimes the delusion was confined to the heart

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Date: 3/03/2024 21:13:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2131796
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oqM3MH_qs

Link

What is a Curry Stool

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Date: 3/03/2024 21:37:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2131798
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oqM3MH_qs

Link

What is a Curry Stool

Interesting, not what I thought though.

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Date: 7/03/2024 08:58:13
From: OCDC
ID: 2132589
Subject: re: today I learned

… all medications are assigned a Latin name by WHO.

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:26:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2132603
Subject: re: today I learned

aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:30:43
From: Michael V
ID: 2132608
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

RUOK?

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:35:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2132614
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

RUOK?

Just a little Latin anagram for everyone.

(But Bing, and I presume Google, know the answer for those who don’t have the time or don’t have the Latin).

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:36:32
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2132617
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

RUOK?

Cat is sitting on the keyboard.

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:39:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2132620
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

RUOK?

Cat is sitting on the keyboard.

A contrario, every letter is carefully selected and precisely placed.

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Date: 7/03/2024 09:55:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2132628
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

aaaaaaa­ccccc­deeeeeg­hiiiiiii­llllmm­nnnnnnnnn­oooopp­qrrs­tttttuuuuu

RUOK?

Just a little Latin anagram for everyone.

(But Bing, and I presume Google, know the answer for those who don’t have the time or don’t have the Latin).

Ah. Quite obscure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934649/

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Date: 7/03/2024 10:05:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2132631
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

RUOK?

Just a little Latin anagram for everyone.

(But Bing, and I presume Google, know the answer for those who don’t have the time or don’t have the Latin).

Ah. Quite obscure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934649/

Thanks MV, nice article, although I don’t know why it’s hiding in a library of medicine. (TATE also has the answer)

I thought Robert Hooke was the first to come up with these little games, but it seems that Huygens beat him to it by 20 years.

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Date: 7/03/2024 10:14:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2132635
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just a little Latin anagram for everyone.

(But Bing, and I presume Google, know the answer for those who don’t have the time or don’t have the Latin).

Ah. Quite obscure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934649/

Thanks MV, nice article, although I don’t know why it’s hiding in a library of medicine. (TATE also has the answer)

I thought Robert Hooke was the first to come up with these little games, but it seems that Huygens beat him to it by 20 years.

And Galileo beat them both by 150 years or so:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/87433/how-misinterpreted-anagram-predicted-moons-mars

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Date: 7/03/2024 10:16:22
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2132636
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Ah. Quite obscure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934649/

Thanks MV, nice article, although I don’t know why it’s hiding in a library of medicine. (TATE also has the answer)

I thought Robert Hooke was the first to come up with these little games, but it seems that Huygens beat him to it by 20 years.

And Galileo beat them both by 150 years or so:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/87433/how-misinterpreted-anagram-predicted-moons-mars

Galileo Galileo

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Date: 7/03/2024 10:21:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2132637
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thanks MV, nice article, although I don’t know why it’s hiding in a library of medicine. (TATE also has the answer)

I thought Robert Hooke was the first to come up with these little games, but it seems that Huygens beat him to it by 20 years.

And Galileo beat them both by 150 years or so:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/87433/how-misinterpreted-anagram-predicted-moons-mars

Galileo Galileo

Figaro.

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Date: 7/03/2024 10:56:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2132642
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Ah. Quite obscure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934649/

Thanks MV, nice article, although I don’t know why it’s hiding in a library of medicine. (TATE also has the answer)

I thought Robert Hooke was the first to come up with these little games, but it seems that Huygens beat him to it by 20 years.

And Galileo beat them both by 150 years or so:

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/87433/how-misinterpreted-anagram-predicted-moons-mars

So it was a well-established pattern.

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:12:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2133021
Subject: re: today I learned

that the organisation previously known as London Transport is now known as Transport for London.

I wonder how much that transition cost them.

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:18:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2133023
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the organisation previously known as London Transport is now known as Transport for London.

I wonder how much that transition cost them.

Lord only knows, and Lord only knows who did it.
It was probably the Lord Mayor of London, the silly black bastard.

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:50:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2133035
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that the organisation previously known as London Transport is now known as Transport for London.

I wonder how much that transition cost them.

Lord only knows, and Lord only knows who did it.
It was probably the Lord Mayor of London, the silly black bastard.

I had to look up who is the current Lord Mayor for London.

He doesn’t look very black.

Irish, Italian and German, according to TATE.

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:54:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2133038
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the organisation previously known as London Transport is now known as Transport for London.

I wonder how much that transition cost them.

millions of poonds

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:57:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2133040
Subject: re: today I learned

A couple of gyn pullers in the news. One didn’t like his Sweet and sour pork and the other stupidly stole Nick Kyrigos’ Bright Green Tesla.
duh

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Date: 8/03/2024 19:57:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2133041
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

A couple of gyn pullers in the news. One didn’t like his Sweet and sour pork and the other stupidly stole Nick Kyrigos’ Bright Green Tesla.
duh

gyn = gun

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Date: 10/03/2024 02:23:26
From: dv
ID: 2133447
Subject: re: today I learned

If, as expected, Leonor becomes Queen of Spain, she will be the first Spanish queen regnant since Isabella II was deposed in 1868.

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:26:30
From: dv
ID: 2134107
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:33:04
From: OCDC
ID: 2134109
Subject: re: today I learned

Where do you get these from? They’re QI.

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:35:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2134110
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Where do you get these from? They’re QI.

At a guess, Starkey Comics.

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:38:20
From: OCDC
ID: 2134111
Subject: re: today I learned

Could be on to something there…

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:42:36
From: dv
ID: 2134112
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Where do you get these from? They’re QI.

Facebook. The author is Starkey Comics so if you follow him on FB you’ll get his linktree and such.

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Date: 11/03/2024 15:45:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2134114
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


OCDC said:

Where do you get these from? They’re QI.

Facebook

Stops reading.

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Date: 12/03/2024 15:06:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2134503
Subject: re: today I learned

That tka-tka-tka is the sound that a can opener makes.

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Date: 12/03/2024 15:56:42
From: dv
ID: 2134511
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


That tka-tka-tka is the sound that a can opener makes.

Stevland Hardaway Judkins is Stevie Wonder’s name.
He played every instrument in Superstition except for drums.

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Date: 12/03/2024 18:34:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2134524
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

That tka-tka-tka is the sound that a can opener makes.

Stevland Hardaway Judkins is Stevie Wonder’s name.
He played every instrument in Superstition except for drums.

Life was tough for Stevland days.

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Date: 12/03/2024 20:46:03
From: buffy
ID: 2134553
Subject: re: today I learned

That the corona of the sun is waaaaay hotter than the surface of the sun. And nobody seems to really know how this is so.

Scientific American

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Date: 13/03/2024 02:29:26
From: Kingy
ID: 2134585
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


That the corona of the sun is waaaaay hotter than the surface of the sun. And nobody seems to really know how this is so.

Scientific American

Yeah, it’s weird. I was going to drive there to find out what was going on but only had half a tank of petrol.

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Date: 15/03/2024 00:38:59
From: dv
ID: 2135248
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 15/03/2024 06:08:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2135270
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


the Luna, Polyphemus, Atlas, Promethea, cecropia, and other large moths do not have mouth

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Date: 15/03/2024 09:24:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2135288
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:


the Luna, Polyphemus, Atlas, Promethea, cecropia, and other large moths do not have mouth

No mouth and all trousers.

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Date: 15/03/2024 09:51:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2135291
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:


the Luna, Polyphemus, Atlas, Promethea, cecropia, and other large moths do not have mouth

No mouth and all trousers.

Our bad, at link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moth is source.

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Date: 15/03/2024 10:07:44
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2135294
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:


the Luna, Polyphemus, Atlas, Promethea, cecropia, and other large moths do not have mouth

I have no mouth. And I must scream.

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Date: 15/03/2024 10:09:14
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2135295
Subject: re: today I learned

In case you wish to read the story

https://wjccschools.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/I-Have-No-Mouth-But-I-Must-Scream-by-Harlan-Ellison.pdf

Link

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Date: 15/03/2024 19:09:09
From: dv
ID: 2135495
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitmatic

Pitmatic (originally: “Pitmatical”, colloquially known as “Yakka”) is a group of traditional Northern English dialects spoken in rural areas of the Northumberland and Durham Coalfield in England.

The separating dialectal development from other Northumbrian dialects, such as Geordie, is due to mineworkers’ jargon used in local coal pits. In Tyneside and Northumberland, Cuddy is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert but in Durham Pitmatic cuddy denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony. In Lowland Scots, cuddie usually refers to a donkey or ass but may also denote a short, thick, strong horse.

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Date: 15/03/2024 19:32:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2135499
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitmatic

Pitmatic (originally: “Pitmatical”, colloquially known as “Yakka”) is a group of traditional Northern English dialects spoken in rural areas of the Northumberland and Durham Coalfield in England.

The separating dialectal development from other Northumbrian dialects, such as Geordie, is due to mineworkers’ jargon used in local coal pits. In Tyneside and Northumberland, Cuddy is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert but in Durham Pitmatic cuddy denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony. In Lowland Scots, cuddie usually refers to a donkey or ass but may also denote a short, thick, strong horse.

And in NZ a cuddie is someone who carries a golfers bag.

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Date: 15/03/2024 19:53:53
From: Michael V
ID: 2135512
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitmatic

Pitmatic (originally: “Pitmatical”, colloquially known as “Yakka”) is a group of traditional Northern English dialects spoken in rural areas of the Northumberland and Durham Coalfield in England.

The separating dialectal development from other Northumbrian dialects, such as Geordie, is due to mineworkers’ jargon used in local coal pits. In Tyneside and Northumberland, Cuddy is an abbreviation of the name Cuthbert but in Durham Pitmatic cuddy denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony. In Lowland Scots, cuddie usually refers to a donkey or ass but may also denote a short, thick, strong horse.

And in NZ a cuddie is someone who carries a golfers bag.

LOLOLOL

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Date: 16/03/2024 14:35:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2135741
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:


the Luna, Polyphemus, Atlas, Promethea, cecropia, and other large moths do not have mouth

No mouth and all trousers.

Our bad, at link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moth is source.

I have no mouth. And I must scream.

The flaw is larva

Citheronia regalis

moths have vestigial mouths, meaning their mouthparts have been reduced. Because of this, they do not eat and only

Yeah does seem like that fella really is quite into mature anorexic lepidoptera i’n‘e¡

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Date: 17/03/2024 11:50:55
From: dv
ID: 2136004
Subject: re: today I learned

Fran Drescher, who played Fran Fine in The Nanny, is 4 years older than Lauren Lane, who played CC Babcock.

In other Nanny -adjacent news, in 2007 Charles Shaughnessy became the 5th Baron Shaughnessy on the death of his second cousin. Charles and his brother only have daughters, no sons, and at their advanced age are unlikely to have further children, and so the baronetcy will likely die with them.

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Date: 17/03/2024 11:54:02
From: kii
ID: 2136005
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Fran Drescher, who played Fran Fine in The Nanny, is 4 years older than Lauren Lane, who played CC Babcock.

In other Nanny -adjacent news, in 2007 Charles Shaughnessy became the 5th Baron Shaughnessy on the death of his second cousin. Charles and his brother only have daughters, no sons, and at their advanced age are unlikely to have further children, and so the baronetcy will likely die with them.

Are you reading New Idea?

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Date: 17/03/2024 12:51:37
From: dv
ID: 2136026
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

Fran Drescher, who played Fran Fine in The Nanny, is 4 years older than Lauren Lane, who played CC Babcock.

In other Nanny -adjacent news, in 2007 Charles Shaughnessy became the 5th Baron Shaughnessy on the death of his second cousin. Charles and his brother only have daughters, no sons, and at their advanced age are unlikely to have further children, and so the baronetcy will likely die with them.

Are you reading New Idea?

Kate Middleton is holed up on Rockall in training to be Slipknot’s new drummer.

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Date: 17/03/2024 13:01:51
From: kii
ID: 2136031
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

dv said:

Fran Drescher, who played Fran Fine in The Nanny, is 4 years older than Lauren Lane, who played CC Babcock.

In other Nanny -adjacent news, in 2007 Charles Shaughnessy became the 5th Baron Shaughnessy on the death of his second cousin. Charles and his brother only have daughters, no sons, and at their advanced age are unlikely to have further children, and so the baronetcy will likely die with them.

Are you reading New Idea?

Kate Middleton is holed up on Rockall in training to be Slipknot’s new drummer.


The palace announcement said she’d return after Easter. I reckon she’s in training to be Jesus.

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Date: 17/03/2024 16:17:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2136105
Subject: re: today I learned

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a74afbce5274a56317a6521/J_TCDO_report_on_5-6APB_and_NBOMe_compounds.pdf

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Date: 17/03/2024 20:13:17
From: Kingy
ID: 2136190
Subject: re: today I learned

Take a triangle with sides of 3, 4 and 5. This is the standard right angle triangle.

Now draw a circle in it large enough to touch all three sides.

What is the area of the circle?

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Date: 17/03/2024 21:49:36
From: Kingy
ID: 2136214
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Take a triangle with sides of 3, 4 and 5. This is the standard right angle triangle.

Now draw a circle in it large enough to touch all three sides.

What is the area of the circle?

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:10:33
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2136217
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Kingy said:

Take a triangle with sides of 3, 4 and 5. This is the standard right angle triangle.

Now draw a circle in it large enough to touch all three sides.

What is the area of the circle?

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

But pi is not an area.

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:14:42
From: Kingy
ID: 2136221
Subject: re: today I learned

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

Kingy said:

Take a triangle with sides of 3, 4 and 5. This is the standard right angle triangle.

Now draw a circle in it large enough to touch all three sides.

What is the area of the circle?

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

But pi is not an area.

The are of the circle is 3.141592 etc.etc.

Maybe I should have clarified that it is pi m 2

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:24:09
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2136225
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

But pi is not an area.

The are of the circle is 3.141592 etc.etc.

Maybe I should have clarified that it is pi m 2

So the diameter of the circle is 2.
Nice, right angled triangle , 5, 4, 3, then the largest circle inside has a diameter of 2.
The area of which equals pi.
Some sort of symmetry there.

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:27:36
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2136227
Subject: re: today I learned

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

But pi is not an area.

The are of the circle is 3.141592 etc.etc.

Maybe I should have clarified that it is pi m 2

So the diameter of the circle is 2.
Nice, right angled triangle , 5, 4, 3, then the largest circle inside has a diameter of 2.
The area of which equals pi.
Some sort of symmetry there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uumSD_sf2Ig

Link

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:28:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2136228
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


19 shillings said:

Kingy said:

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

But pi is not an area.

The are of the circle is 3.141592 etc.etc.

Maybe I should have clarified that it is pi m 2

Yes, pi is the area of a circle of radius 1.

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Date: 17/03/2024 22:34:27
From: Kingy
ID: 2136231
Subject: re: today I learned

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

19 shillings said:

But pi is not an area.

The are of the circle is 3.141592 etc.etc.

Maybe I should have clarified that it is pi m 2

So the diameter of the circle is 2.
Nice, right angled triangle , 5, 4, 3, then the largest circle inside has a diameter of 2.
The area of which equals pi.
Some sort of symmetry there.

I was driving in the car with Ms Kingy yesterday and during a discussion, I mentioned that it was strange that something as perfect as a circle didn’t have a perfect number as a circumference when something like a rectangle with sides of 3 and 4, magically produce a perfect 5 as a diagonal.

Today a youtube video was suggested which combined both(the one Boris has linked to), and it was nothing like I expected. I’m reasonably good with higher mathematics, but I don’t think I would have worked that out for myself in under a few hours or days.

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Date: 18/03/2024 00:46:06
From: dv
ID: 2136246
Subject: re: today I learned

19 shillings said:


Kingy said:

Kingy said:

Take a triangle with sides of 3, 4 and 5. This is the standard right angle triangle.

Now draw a circle in it large enough to touch all three sides.

What is the area of the circle?

Nope, you’re all wrong. It’s pi.

But pi is not an area.

pi can be an area

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Date: 18/03/2024 00:52:25
From: dv
ID: 2136248
Subject: re: today I learned

I think what interested me about the Charles Shaughnessy thing is that it sounds like a hackneyed sitcom plotline.

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Date: 18/03/2024 10:39:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2136319
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLACJsoGjk

Link

Welwitschia of the Namib desert is truly a bizarre plant, a living fossil

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Date: 18/03/2024 12:36:02
From: dv
ID: 2136395
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLACJsoGjk

Link

Welwitschia of the Namib desert is truly a bizarre plant, a living fossil

Interesting.
I don’t much like the term “living fossil” but it is certainly noteworthy to have a family with only one surviving species such that its most recent common ancestor with any other plant lived more than 100 million years ago.
It is the tuatara of plants.

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Date: 18/03/2024 12:47:58
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2136402
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLACJsoGjk

Link

Welwitschia of the Namib desert is truly a bizarre plant, a living fossil

Interesting.
I don’t much like the term “living fossil” but it is certainly noteworthy to have a family with only one surviving species such that its most recent common ancestor with any other plant lived more than 100 million years ago.
It is the tuatara of plants.

From memory the tuatara are reptiles endemic to New Zealand. Despite their close resemblance to lizards, they are part of a distinct lineage, the order Rhynchocephalia. The name tuatara is derived from the Māori language and means “peaks on the back”.

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Date: 18/03/2024 12:49:49
From: Cymek
ID: 2136403
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLACJsoGjk

Link

Welwitschia of the Namib desert is truly a bizarre plant, a living fossil

Interesting.
I don’t much like the term “living fossil” but it is certainly noteworthy to have a family with only one surviving species such that its most recent common ancestor with any other plant lived more than 100 million years ago.
It is the tuatara of plants.

Neither do I my friend

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Date: 18/03/2024 13:01:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2136405
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVLACJsoGjk

Link

Welwitschia of the Namib desert is truly a bizarre plant, a living fossil

Interesting.
I don’t much like the term “living fossil” but it is certainly noteworthy to have a family with only one surviving species such that its most recent common ancestor with any other plant lived more than 100 million years ago.
It is the tuatara of plants.

Neither do I my friend

Is that Iggy Pop.

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Date: 18/03/2024 13:04:01
From: Cymek
ID: 2136407
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

dv said:

Interesting.
I don’t much like the term “living fossil” but it is certainly noteworthy to have a family with only one surviving species such that its most recent common ancestor with any other plant lived more than 100 million years ago.
It is the tuatara of plants.

Neither do I my friend

Is that Iggy Pop.

Yes

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Date: 18/03/2024 14:59:18
From: dv
ID: 2136444
Subject: re: today I learned

Somehow I was entirely unaware that the following was written 400 years ago.

No man is an Island, intire of it selfe;
every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were;
any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

From Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, by John Donne.

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Date: 18/03/2024 15:01:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2136445
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Somehow I was entirely unaware that the following was written 400 years ago.

No man is an Island, intire of it selfe;
every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were;
any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

From Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, by John Donne.

Johnny D. was a funny devil. Erudite, but funny.

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Date: 18/03/2024 15:25:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2136453
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Somehow I was entirely unaware that the following was written 400 years ago.

No man is an Island, intire of it selfe;
every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were;
any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

From Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, by John Donne.

Stolen by Hemingway.

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Date: 18/03/2024 15:31:13
From: dv
ID: 2136457
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Somehow I was entirely unaware that the following was written 400 years ago.

No man is an Island, intire of it selfe;
every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were;
any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde;
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

From Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, by John Donne.

Stolen by Hemingway.

According to Wiki, Donne’s family were recusant.

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Date: 19/03/2024 08:18:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2136632
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.popsci.com/story/science/first-dinosaur-butthole-cloaca/

Link

The cloaca is the hole-y grail to understanding prehistoric copulation.

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Date: 21/03/2024 09:45:12
From: kii
ID: 2137314
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned about knolling.

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Date: 21/03/2024 09:59:12
From: dv
ID: 2137316
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Today I learned about knolling.

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:06:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2137319
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

Today I learned about knolling.

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:10:22
From: kii
ID: 2137322
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

kii said:

Today I learned about knolling.

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:10:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2137323
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

kii said:

Today I learned about knolling.

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

So it’s just a L1 norm, cool.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:16:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2137324
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Well it’s very much a matter of taste, and I’m sure we all know what not to do with those.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:17:30
From: dv
ID: 2137326
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Looks like some Wes Anderson gear

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Grassy

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:21:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2137327
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Well it’s very much a matter of taste, and I’m sure we all know what not to do with those.

Although I suppose we must be allowed to debate:

Are ‘Matters of Taste’ Matters of Taste?.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:23:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2137328
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“knolling is an important and popular design term that has recently helped create a very important aesthetic.”

It is important that we all know of this important new term for an important new photographic technique.

No matter how square it may look.

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Grassy

Grassy Noel should have been a character in a gangster movie.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:26:05
From: Tamb
ID: 2137329
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

kii said:

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Grassy

Grassy Noel should have been a character in a gangster movie.

If he was a grass he wouldn’t last long.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:29:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2137330
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

kii said:

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Well it’s very much a matter of taste, and I’m sure we all know what not to do with those.

Although I suppose we must be allowed to debate:

Are ‘Matters of Taste’ Matters of Taste?.

Having read more of that article, I’m not really sure if it is to my taste or not.

Perhaps we should debate it.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:29:16
From: dv
ID: 2137331
Subject: re: today I learned

Apparently it was named for the Knoll furniture store.

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:31:13
From: dv
ID: 2137332
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

kii said:

It can calm an anxious mind. I often knoll things.

Grassy

Grassy Noel should have been a character in a gangster movie.

Seems like a squealer name

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Date: 21/03/2024 10:35:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2137333
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Grassy

Grassy Noel should have been a character in a gangster movie.

Seems like a squealer name

Luckily, only at Christmas.

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Date: 22/03/2024 12:36:49
From: dv
ID: 2137654
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 23/03/2024 09:19:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2137855
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



To get the correct message, one has to make the H known.

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Date: 26/03/2024 23:38:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2139255
Subject: re: today I learned

That Whitlam was involved in the saving of the State theatre in north Hobart. And that is Sarah works.

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Date: 26/03/2024 23:39:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2139256
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


That Whitlam was involved in the saving of the State theatre in north Hobart. And that is Sarah works.

where Sarah works.

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Date: 28/03/2024 14:55:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2139821
Subject: re: today I learned

The Republic of Cospaia did not have a formal government or official legal system. There were no jails or prisons, and there was no standing army or police force.

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Date: 28/03/2024 14:59:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2139831
Subject: re: today I learned

^ Bernard Towers (1967), “Fetus vs. Foetus”, in Archives of Disease in Childhood, page 224, columns 1–2: Cambridge students who have attended my Embryology classes during the past decade will know (if they remember) that our American colleagues are correct (though perhaps unwittingly so) in their spelling of the word fetus. One recognizes that language is like a living organism, and undergoes evolutionary change. But there is nothing, except the always interesting ‘history of errors’, to recommend the traditional English and French foetus. Fetus was the only spelling in use up to the year 600 a.d. No originality is claimed for the observation that the new spelling was introduced by Isidorus (c. 560-636 a.d.) His learning, though considerable, was not really adequate to his purpose, and much that he wrote in, for instance, his twenty-volumed ‘Etymologies’ was erroneous, partly because, as has been noted, his Latin was ‘not pure’. Isidorus appears to have been misled by the Greek φοιτός, itself a later corruption of φυτός, a word meaning ‘fertile’. The Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd edition 1947) gives only the spelling foetus, and says that ‘the better form with e is almost unknown in use’. But Partridge states the true facts quite bluntly, in a way that should give pause to authors and editors alike. It would be a gesture towards Anglo-American entente if Western Europe were to abandon an error that has persisted for over 1300 years.

^ Philip Rhodes (1969) Reproductive Physiology for Medical Students: A letter to the British Medical Journal of February 18th, 1967, by Professors J. D. Boyd and W. J. Hamilton first drew my attention to the fact that although “foetus” had been used for more than a millennium, the more proper spelling would be “fetus”, derived from the Latin “feo” = I bear. Most of us had considered that “fetus” was an American corruption of our more sanctified spelling. This may well have been so, but in fact the shorter spelling would seem to be etymologically correct. I have considered it to be time to revert to the better form.

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:03:36
From: dv
ID: 2139840
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Republic of Cospaia did not have a formal government or official legal system. There were no jails or prisons, and there was no standing army or police force.

<<
At the head of the administration was the Council of Elders and Family Heads, which was summoned for decision-making and judicial duties.>>

That sounds like a government and legal system.

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:04:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2139842
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Republic of Cospaia did not have a formal government or official legal system. There were no jails or prisons, and there was no standing army or police force.

Interesting. Thanks for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cospaia

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:09:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2139849
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

The Republic of Cospaia did not have a formal government or official legal system. There were no jails or prisons, and there was no standing army or police force.

<<
At the head of the administration was the Council of Elders and Family Heads, which was summoned for decision-making and judicial duties.>>

That sounds like a government and legal system.

Agree but they did qualify with “formal” and “official” so we suppose it’s possible they were illiterates working from home…

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:09:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2139850
Subject: re: today I learned

Retreating blade stall is a hazardous flight condition in helicopters and other rotary wing aircraft, where the retreating rotor blade has a lower relative blade speed, combined with an increased angle of attack, causing a stall and loss of lift. Retreating blade stall is the primary limiting factor of a helicopter’s never exceed speed, VNE.

Retreating blade stall occurs at high forward speeds, and should not be confused with rotor stall, which is caused by low rotor RPM and can occur at any forward speed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreating_blade_stall

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:12:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2139855
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

Retreating blade stall is a hazardous flight condition in helicopters and other rotary wing aircraft, where the retreating rotor blade has a lower relative blade speed, combined with an increased angle of attack, causing a stall and loss of lift. Retreating blade stall is the primary limiting factor of a helicopter’s never exceed speed, VNE.

Retreating blade stall occurs at high forward speeds, and should not be confused with rotor stall, which is caused by low rotor RPM and can occur at any forward speed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreating_blade_stall

Just put another rotor behind that side blowing air forward¡

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:18:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2139861
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Retreating blade stall is a hazardous flight condition in helicopters and other rotary wing aircraft, where the retreating rotor blade has a lower relative blade speed, combined with an increased angle of attack, causing a stall and loss of lift. Retreating blade stall is the primary limiting factor of a helicopter’s never exceed speed, VNE.

Retreating blade stall occurs at high forward speeds, and should not be confused with rotor stall, which is caused by low rotor RPM and can occur at any forward speed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreating_blade_stall

Just put another rotor behind that side blowing air forward¡

Good luck with that design but keeping speeds within designated limits is probably an easier solution.

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Date: 28/03/2024 15:19:36
From: dv
ID: 2139862
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Retreating blade stall is a hazardous flight condition in helicopters and other rotary wing aircraft, where the retreating rotor blade has a lower relative blade speed, combined with an increased angle of attack, causing a stall and loss of lift. Retreating blade stall is the primary limiting factor of a helicopter’s never exceed speed, VNE.

Retreating blade stall occurs at high forward speeds, and should not be confused with rotor stall, which is caused by low rotor RPM and can occur at any forward speed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreating_blade_stall

Damn

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Date: 28/03/2024 22:00:46
From: dv
ID: 2140059
Subject: re: today I learned

Camping in the wilderness is illegal in Germany.

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Date: 28/03/2024 22:34:39
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2140074
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/23/marshall-islands-rogue-wave-video/72323059007/

Link

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Date: 28/03/2024 22:43:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2140075
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/23/marshall-islands-rogue-wave-video/72323059007/

Link

heavy.

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Date: 28/03/2024 23:49:59
From: Ian
ID: 2140082
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/23/marshall-islands-rogue-wave-video/72323059007/

Link

Nice vid

Roi-Namur Island.. average elevation of fuck all.

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Date: 1/04/2024 08:33:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2140948
Subject: re: today I learned

… of Paul Cohen, who apparently was a very important person in the development of set theory.

Having done my own research on his research for five minutes, I still have approximately zero idea what it is all about, or why it is important.

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Date: 3/04/2024 15:09:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2141627
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYKk7-5QnC0

Link

Surprise! Exploding Birthday Cake!

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Date: 3/04/2024 15:10:58
From: Arts
ID: 2141628
Subject: re: today I learned

50 to go.. admittedly I have spent more time on reddit this morning than marking…

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Date: 3/04/2024 16:06:05
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2141644
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHPdhCmQGo

Link

CubCrafters Europe

YAKIMA, WA – April 1, 2024 — CubCrafters, a leading designer and manufacturer of Light-Sport and Part 23 Certified aircraft, is testing a new backcountry landing gear configuration that the company conceived to dramatically reduce the potential for ground loops in backcountry flying.

Recognizing recent industrywide calls from regulators, insurance companies, and many in the pilot community to continue with safety innovation in the backcountry, the company sees broad applications for this new technology with flight training companies, various Government customers, and private aviators that just want a safer way to experience flying in remote areas.

Patrick Horgan, CEO of CubCrafters explains, “Here at CubCrafters we are always thinking about safety, and this is the most robust landing gear configuration ever put on a Cub type aircraft. It is 4X as strong and has 4X the braking power of either conventional or tricycle landing gear. It tracks straight as an arrow; we really feel this is the one and only ground loop proof Cub for the ultimate in short landings.”

When asked about certification he goes on, “The XCub is already Part 23 Certified in multiple different landing gear configurations including tailwheel, nosewheel, and as a floatplane. All we’re really doing here is melding our certified nosewheel and tailwheel landing gear into one configuration. With the FAA’s recent focus on a performance-based safety continuum doctrine, we believe they will see the simple brilliance in what we are doing and it should be a quick and easy certification process, maybe even completed by Oshkosh.”

The Company says that the new landing gear technology can be retrofit to all existing X and NX Cubs. Insurance company officials and underwriters that the company spoke to anticipate that those CubCrafters customers that choose to retrofit their existing aircraft will likely experience drastically reduced insurance premiums, which is great news for the entire aviation community!

“Some said that the original tricycle gear version of the XCub was so ugly it could never achieve commercial success,” stated Brad Damm, the company’s Vice President, “but the NX cub has a fantastic sales record, so we’ve proven those naysayers wrong. Our feeling is that if tricycle gear was good, we think consumers will like this new quincycle landing gear even that much better.”

“Big tundra tires are good off airport, but smaller traditional tires are better on pavement, this aircraft has the best of both worlds.” He went on to say. “If three tires are good, five has to be better. Yes, it can be a little hard to turn when ground taxiing the aircraft, but we don’t see that as a problem because it can be easily overcome by large applications of power and brake.”

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Date: 3/04/2024 21:39:56
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2141712
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 4/04/2024 18:46:58
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2142043
Subject: re: today I learned

Silent and Pre-Code Horror

Actor Conrad Veidt as the character Gwynplaine in an image
from the 1928 film THE MAN WHO LAUGHS. Veidt’s portrayal
of Gwynplaine was the inspiration for the 1940 appearance of
the Joker character in DC’s Batman comics. (Silent and Pre-Code Horror)

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Date: 4/04/2024 20:14:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2142055
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Silent and Pre-Code Horror

Actor Conrad Veidt as the character Gwynplaine in an image
from the 1928 film THE MAN WHO LAUGHS. Veidt’s portrayal
of Gwynplaine was the inspiration for the 1940 appearance of
the Joker character in DC’s Batman comics. (Silent and Pre-Code Horror)

I know what a silent movie is.

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Date: 4/04/2024 20:55:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2142063
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Silent and Pre-Code Horror

Actor Conrad Veidt as the character Gwynplaine in an image
from the 1928 film THE MAN WHO LAUGHS. Veidt’s portrayal
of Gwynplaine was the inspiration for the 1940 appearance of
the Joker character in DC’s Batman comics. (Silent and Pre-Code Horror)

I know what a silent movie is.

But I refuse to become a vassal to BIG SEARCH

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Date: 4/04/2024 23:13:16
From: dv
ID: 2142086
Subject: re: today I learned

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

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Date: 4/04/2024 23:14:08
From: dv
ID: 2142087
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

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Date: 4/04/2024 23:24:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142090
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

Yes it’s a pseudocereal, like quinoa.

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Date: 4/04/2024 23:26:04
From: party_pants
ID: 2142091
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

Yes it’s a pseudocereal, like quinoa.

I used to buy buckwheat crackers when I was trialling a gluten-free diet.

I looked it up at the time.

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Date: 5/04/2024 03:16:12
From: kii
ID: 2142102
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:05:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142107
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

It’s a bloody weed.

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:05:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142108
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

was waiting.

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:13:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142109
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:17:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142110
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

Now that is interesting.

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:26:40
From: kii
ID: 2142113
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

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Date: 5/04/2024 08:35:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142117
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.


https://invasives.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/WWF-National-list-of-naturalised-Invasive-garden-plants-2004.pdf
https://grdc.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/75843/grdc_weeds_review_r8.pdf.pdf

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Date: 5/04/2024 09:25:14
From: kii
ID: 2142123
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


kii said:

roughbarked said:

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.


https://invasives.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/WWF-National-list-of-naturalised-Invasive-garden-plants-2004.pdf
https://grdc.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/75843/grdc_weeds_review_r8.pdf.pdf

Very nice Googling.

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Date: 5/04/2024 11:36:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2142195
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

dv said:

dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

We were going to comment on how the recent epistemic discussion over eye colour was poisoning everything but since it’s been decorrected we’ll move on to next.

Just wait until it’s revealed that all manner of -fish aren’t actually fish¡

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Date: 5/04/2024 12:13:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142209
Subject: re: today I learned

Arthur Doodson was born in Boothstown (near Worsley) on
31st March, 1898. He was the son of a cotton mill manager
in Salford.

Arthur was bright and superb at maths. But he always had
hearing difficulties and on leaving school he found, to his
great consternation, that he couldn’t get a job. It was a time
when there was still a lot of ignorance, stigma and prejudice
attached to any kind of disability.

He was eventually taken on by Ferranti’s in Manchester as
a meter tester. Later, he got accepted by Liverpool University
and he took degrees in Maths and Chemistry. He passed with
flying colours even though, by then, he was completely deaf.

During the 1st World War, he got a job calculating the trajectory
of artillery fire. Then he got a job at the ‘Liverpool Observatory
and Tidal Institute’ which drew up tide tables for sea captains
and shipping companies to use.

The behaviour of the sea is one of the most unpredictable things in
nature. Throughout the ages, countless accidents and shipwrecks,
even in well-known waters are proof of this. Tide tables for coastal
areas are worked out by using all sorts of complex data and
mathematical formulae. And it turned out that Arthur Doodson
was good at it, very good at it.

When the Tidal Institute got hold of a primitive computer from Boston,
called a “tide predicting machine”, Arthur used it in his work. Right right
from the start, he continually tinkered with it, making adjustments, to
improve it. So much so, that he ended up completely re-designing
the whole computer.

By 1929, at the age of 31, he was in charge of the Tidal Institute.
This was a really remarkable achievement for a deaf person in those
days. He went on to draw up tide tables for about two-thirds of the
world’s seas and ports.

During the 2nd World War, the staff at the Tidal Institute were reduced
to a bare minimum – just Arthur and six young women. They had a rota
for night-time fire watch duty on the roof, wearing trench coats and tin
helmets, and being at the ready with buckets of water in case an incendiary
bomb hit their observatory.

Early in 1944, Arthur was quietly approached by the military and given
a very important top-secret job. They wanted him to produce detailed
information about the sea and tides off Normandy. And from this, they
wanted him to suggest the best date and best time of day for forces to
make a landing. In short, they asked him to come up with an optimum
time for the invasion of France.

It was a big ask, because France was under German control, so obviously
Arthur couldn’t just pop over to collect all the relevant data. The task was
further complicated because the different branches of the armed forces all
had their own particular preferences: the air force wanted a full moon (for visibility),
the navy wanted a low tide (to avoid underwater obstacles), but the army wanted
high tide (so troops didn’t have to cross wide beaches whilst under fire).

So Arthur used his “tide predicting machine” and gathered all the old data he
could find. But mostly he used his own expert knowledge to solve this conundrum.
In the end, he came up with 5-7 June as the best days, and he recommended
early morning, 2-3 hours after low tide, as the best time.

This was passed on to the Allied High Command and they took Arthur’s advice.
It was a very narrow time slot and the whole of the Normandy invasion plan, the
liberation of Europe and outcome of the war depended on Arthur’s calculations
being right.

What he couldn’t promise, of course, was good weather. The Normandy invasion
was all set for 5th June. But when the time came, the seas were too choppy and
visibility poor. So it was put off for 24 hours. The forecast for the 6th was better,
and so that became “D-Day”.

The biggest ever air-land-sea invasion in history began. The entire course of world
history depended on its success. And it was all launched on a date and at a time set
by a deaf man from Salford.

For making this small, but crucial, contribution to winning the war, Arthur Doodson
received a CBE in 1956. He is pictured here with his wife and son at the Palace.

He died in 1968 and is buried in the Wirral.

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Date: 5/04/2024 12:41:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2142227
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Arthur Doodson was born in Boothstown (near Worsley) on
31st March, 1898. He was the son of a cotton mill manager
in Salford.

Arthur was bright and superb at maths. But he always had
hearing difficulties and on leaving school he found, to his
great consternation, that he couldn’t get a job. It was a time
when there was still a lot of ignorance, stigma and prejudice
attached to any kind of disability.

He was eventually taken on by Ferranti’s in Manchester as
a meter tester. Later, he got accepted by Liverpool University
and he took degrees in Maths and Chemistry. He passed with
flying colours even though, by then, he was completely deaf.

During the 1st World War, he got a job calculating the trajectory
of artillery fire. Then he got a job at the ‘Liverpool Observatory
and Tidal Institute’ which drew up tide tables for sea captains
and shipping companies to use.

The behaviour of the sea is one of the most unpredictable things in
nature. Throughout the ages, countless accidents and shipwrecks,
even in well-known waters are proof of this. Tide tables for coastal
areas are worked out by using all sorts of complex data and
mathematical formulae. And it turned out that Arthur Doodson
was good at it, very good at it.

When the Tidal Institute got hold of a primitive computer from Boston,
called a “tide predicting machine”, Arthur used it in his work. Right right
from the start, he continually tinkered with it, making adjustments, to
improve it. So much so, that he ended up completely re-designing
the whole computer.

By 1929, at the age of 31, he was in charge of the Tidal Institute.
This was a really remarkable achievement for a deaf person in those
days. He went on to draw up tide tables for about two-thirds of the
world’s seas and ports.

During the 2nd World War, the staff at the Tidal Institute were reduced
to a bare minimum – just Arthur and six young women. They had a rota
for night-time fire watch duty on the roof, wearing trench coats and tin
helmets, and being at the ready with buckets of water in case an incendiary
bomb hit their observatory.

Early in 1944, Arthur was quietly approached by the military and given
a very important top-secret job. They wanted him to produce detailed
information about the sea and tides off Normandy. And from this, they
wanted him to suggest the best date and best time of day for forces to
make a landing. In short, they asked him to come up with an optimum
time for the invasion of France.

It was a big ask, because France was under German control, so obviously
Arthur couldn’t just pop over to collect all the relevant data. The task was
further complicated because the different branches of the armed forces all
had their own particular preferences: the air force wanted a full moon (for visibility),
the navy wanted a low tide (to avoid underwater obstacles), but the army wanted
high tide (so troops didn’t have to cross wide beaches whilst under fire).

So Arthur used his “tide predicting machine” and gathered all the old data he
could find. But mostly he used his own expert knowledge to solve this conundrum.
In the end, he came up with 5-7 June as the best days, and he recommended
early morning, 2-3 hours after low tide, as the best time.

This was passed on to the Allied High Command and they took Arthur’s advice.
It was a very narrow time slot and the whole of the Normandy invasion plan, the
liberation of Europe and outcome of the war depended on Arthur’s calculations
being right.

What he couldn’t promise, of course, was good weather. The Normandy invasion
was all set for 5th June. But when the time came, the seas were too choppy and
visibility poor. So it was put off for 24 hours. The forecast for the 6th was better,
and so that became “D-Day”.

The biggest ever air-land-sea invasion in history began. The entire course of world
history depended on its success. And it was all launched on a date and at a time set
by a deaf man from Salford.

For making this small, but crucial, contribution to winning the war, Arthur Doodson
received a CBE in 1956. He is pictured here with his wife and son at the Palace.

He died in 1968 and is buried in the Wirral.

Nearly all uncle Arthurs are hard of hearing.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:05:33
From: dv
ID: 2142236
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

So a boy said to his dad “hey dad what’s that weed?” and the dad said “it’s knotweed” and the boy said “my mistake”.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:12:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142244
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

dv said:

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

So a boy said to his dad “hey dad what’s that weed?” and the dad said “it’s knotweed” and the boy said “my mistake”.

I do that with my baker re knot rolls.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:13:09
From: dv
ID: 2142245
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

This is right in my wheelhouse and I believe the authors have overextended. They’ve shown the results are compatible with the presence of hydrated ringwoodite but there can be any number of other explanations for the velocity contrast. Also this “water” is just a potential -OH group in the structure with 2 -OH perhaps replacing a metal and two -O groups. It isn’t free H2O in any form.

Also 700 km deep is nowhere near the core.

This is a terrible article.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:16:50
From: dv
ID: 2142250
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Buckwheat is not a kind of wheat or even a close relative of wheat, or even a grain.

It is a flowering vegetable in the knowledge family, like rhubarb and sorrel.

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:19:36
From: Tamb
ID: 2142253
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

roughbarked said:

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”


Yes. A rose is a weed in a wheat field.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:22:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2142255
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

This is right in my wheelhouse and I believe the authors have overextended. They’ve shown the results are compatible with the presence of hydrated ringwoodite but there can be any number of other explanations for the velocity contrast. Also this “water” is just a potential -OH group in the structure with 2 -OH perhaps replacing a metal and two -O groups. It isn’t free H2O in any form.

Also 700 km deep is nowhere near the core.

This is a terrible article.

And the title is awful, too. Oceans of water indeed…

Hydrated ringwoodite has a different rheology to non-hydrated ringwoodite. Note that transition zone diamonds have now been found with hydrated ringwoodite inclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringwoodite

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:26:25
From: buffy
ID: 2142257
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

dv said:

That too was an autocorrect.

KNOTWEED family.

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

We were going to comment on how the recent epistemic discussion over eye colour was poisoning everything but since it’s been decorrected we’ll move on to next.

Just wait until it’s revealed that all manner of -fish aren’t actually fish¡

Like silverfish?

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:26:57
From: Cymek
ID: 2142258
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

kii said:

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”


Yes. A rose is a weed in a wheat field.

A friend with weeds is a friend indeed

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:29:33
From: Tamb
ID: 2142260
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

kii said:

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

We were going to comment on how the recent epistemic discussion over eye colour was poisoning everything but since it’s been decorrected we’ll move on to next.

Just wait until it’s revealed that all manner of -fish aren’t actually fish¡

Like silverfish?


Let’s not mention nuclear fission.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:30:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2142261
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

kii said:

I knew that. Strange the information one picks up from being a vegetarian.
Yesterday I saw a fb post about harvesting Japanese knotweed and using it as a vegetable. It’s invasive and causes many issues in the US.

We were going to comment on how the recent epistemic discussion over eye colour was poisoning everything but since it’s been decorrected we’ll move on to next.

Just wait until it’s revealed that all manner of -fish aren’t actually fish¡

Like silverfish?

Also starfish, jellyfish, shellfish.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:30:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142262
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

This is right in my wheelhouse and I believe the authors have overextended. They’ve shown the results are compatible with the presence of hydrated ringwoodite but there can be any number of other explanations for the velocity contrast. Also this “water” is just a potential -OH group in the structure with 2 -OH perhaps replacing a metal and two -O groups. It isn’t free H2O in any form.

Also 700 km deep is nowhere near the core.

This is a terrible article.

it is from new scientist. I thought there must be more to it than ocean 700km deep. also the idea that comets were the sole provider of water on Earth had long gone to the dustbin.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:31:59
From: Tamb
ID: 2142263
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”


Yes. A rose is a weed in a wheat field.

A friend with weeds is a friend indeed

A friend with weeds is a friend fiend indeed (Fixed)

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:35:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142265
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

roughbarked said:

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

weeeeeed.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:35:57
From: kii
ID: 2142266
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

roughbarked said:

It’s a bloody weed.

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:37:31
From: buffy
ID: 2142268
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

kii said:

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

weeeeeed.

Stop it, stop it…now the Bill and Ben song has started in my head…

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Date: 5/04/2024 13:40:21
From: kii
ID: 2142271
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

weeeeeed.

Stop it, stop it…now the Bill and Ben song has started in my head…

Weed, weeeeeed.

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Date: 5/04/2024 14:01:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2142282
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

We were going to comment on how the recent epistemic discussion over eye colour was poisoning everything but since it’s been decorrected we’ll move on to next.

Just wait until it’s revealed that all manner of -fish aren’t actually fish¡

Like silverfish?

Also starfish, jellyfish, shellfish.

catfish

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Date: 5/04/2024 14:19:21
From: Michael V
ID: 2142309
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Like silverfish?

Also starfish, jellyfish, shellfish.

catfish

To be fair, catfish are not cats, but they are fish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish

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Date: 5/04/2024 14:38:41
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142321
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

kii said:

What’s the definition of a weed? Hmmm?
It’s edible and tasty.

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

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Date: 5/04/2024 14:51:16
From: Tamb
ID: 2142322
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


kii said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.


A dandy lion:

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Date: 5/04/2024 14:54:22
From: dv
ID: 2142325
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

Link

This is right in my wheelhouse and I believe the authors have overextended. They’ve shown the results are compatible with the presence of hydrated ringwoodite but there can be any number of other explanations for the velocity contrast. Also this “water” is just a potential -OH group in the structure with 2 -OH perhaps replacing a metal and two -O groups. It isn’t free H2O in any form.

Also 700 km deep is nowhere near the core.

This is a terrible article.

it is from new scientist. I thought there must be more to it than ocean 700km deep. also the idea that comets were the sole provider of water on Earth had long gone to the dustbin.

Well quite.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:01:33
From: dv
ID: 2142332
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


kii said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Weed does not mean invasive species.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:07:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2142337
Subject: re: today I learned

INFORMAL•BRITISH
verb
past tense: weed; past participle: weed

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:10:57
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142339
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

kii said:

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Weed does not mean invasive species.

I am aware of that. I was just adding some additional information that might be of interest. However, in botany circles a native plant is never considered a weed, but might behave like one (weed-like) in certain circumstances, usually the cause of people’s activities. Weeds have only become weeds when they interfere with what humans want to do with the land and in Australia post European settlement.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:12:29
From: dv
ID: 2142340
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

INFORMAL•BRITISH
verb
past tense: weed; past participle: weed

We’d agree

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:14:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142341
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/objects/carabiniers-breastplate-from-the-waterloo-battlefield/

Link

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:17:21
From: buffy
ID: 2142343
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


kii said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:20:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2142346
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/objects/carabiniers-breastplate-from-the-waterloo-battlefield/

Link


Gosh! A through-and-through cannonball.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:24:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2142348
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/objects/carabiniers-breastplate-from-the-waterloo-battlefield/

Link


He should be OK, would have missed his heart.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:26:47
From: dv
ID: 2142349
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

PermeateFree said:

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Weed does not mean invasive species.

I am aware of that. I was just adding some additional information that might be of interest. However, in botany circles a native plant is never considered a weed, but might behave like one (weed-like) in certain circumstances, usually the cause of people’s activities. Weeds have only become weeds when they interfere with what humans want to do with the land and in Australia post European settlement.

Cool

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:27:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2142351
Subject: re: today I learned

Looks a bit like that aid worker’s car roof.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:29:07
From: dv
ID: 2142352
Subject: re: today I learned

I didn’t even know kii is a vegematarian like roughie.
Any others here?

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:30:36
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142355
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


PermeateFree said:

kii said:

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:30:59
From: Tamb
ID: 2142356
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I didn’t even know kii is a vegematarian like roughie.
Any others here?

Not I.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:35:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2142357
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/objects/carabiniers-breastplate-from-the-waterloo-battlefield/

Link


Gosh! A through-and-through cannonball.

The Duke of Wellington, mounted on his favourite horse ‘Copenhagen’, was observing the battle. Nearby, just before the end of the battle, the Marquess of Anglesey (who had led the charge of the heavy cavalry) was struck on the leg by a cannonball and is recorded to have said: “By God, sir, I have lost my leg.” The Duke of Wellington who was sat on horseback nearby replied: “By God, sir, so you have.” He later had what was left of the limb removed.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:41:14
From: kii
ID: 2142360
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I didn’t even know kii is a vegematarian like roughie.
Any others here?

I was one for years. Then I reformed. I don’t eat much red meat now, and like tofu.

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Date: 5/04/2024 15:42:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2142361
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I didn’t even know kii is a vegematarian like roughie.
Any others here?

I was for about 15 years, but am now an omnivore.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:00:56
From: Neophyte
ID: 2142366
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I didn’t even know kii is a vegematarian like roughie.
Any others here?

For a few years I practised vibrational individuation.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:01:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142367
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.napoleon.org/en/history-of-the-two-empires/objects/carabiniers-breastplate-from-the-waterloo-battlefield/

Link


He should be OK, would have missed his heart.

Aye it’s only a flesh wound.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:05:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142370
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


For a few years I practised vibrational individuation.

Really?

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:08:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142371
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Neophyte said:

For a few years I practised vibrational individuation.

Really?

Senator Chapman alleged that children born into the group were fed bizarre food from birth and reports had come to his attention of undernourished, underweight babies.

He alleged Mrs. Phillips and Mrs. Steinke were performing food tests through people’s wrists and surrounding muscles to determine what food they should eat.

One former member of the group, who does not want to be named, gave The Advertiser a copy of one of her food programs.

It included items such as drinking 756 glasses of water a day and eating brains and tongue 30 times a day.

https://culteducation.com/group/1217-vibrational-individuation-program/21756-were-not-a-cult-says-diet-duo.html

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:21:59
From: Neophyte
ID: 2142376
Subject: re: today I learned

I said I practised it – didn’t say I got it right.

Drew the line at organs….and you think The Advertiser was known as a bastion of accurate reporting?

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:23:18
From: buffy
ID: 2142377
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

I checked the iNaturalist observations and there is one at research grade relatively close to our covenant. I will keep on looking. Right at the moment there is practically nothing flowering. Some Hypochaeris. And that’s about it. We didn’t get a lot of rain, 5.8mm over 2 days at Penshurst. Further north got more and a quick look suggests it might have been around 10mm at the covenant. We were there on Monday and had nothing to make us even damp. So we actually haven’t had the break yet. However, there have been some mushrooms pop up anyway.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:24:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142378
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


I said I practised it – didn’t say I got it right.

Drew the line at organs….and you think The Advertiser was known as a bastion of accurate reporting?

I made no comment on the accuracy, just posted one of the few references available.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:30:44
From: Neophyte
ID: 2142380
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Neophyte said:

I said I practised it – didn’t say I got it right.

Drew the line at organs….and you think The Advertiser was known as a bastion of accurate reporting?

I made no comment on the accuracy, just posted one of the few references available.

There were aspects of it that were frankly loopy – I was only doing it because the friend I shared house with at the time was going to do it (the Mrs Philips mentioned was actually one of my dad’s cousin’s wife) and I figured it’d be easier to do things at home foodwise.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:32:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142381
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Bubblecar said:

Neophyte said:

I said I practised it – didn’t say I got it right.

Drew the line at organs….and you think The Advertiser was known as a bastion of accurate reporting?

I made no comment on the accuracy, just posted one of the few references available.

There were aspects of it that were frankly loopy – I was only doing it because the friend I shared house with at the time was going to do it (the Mrs Philips mentioned was actually one of my dad’s cousin’s wife) and I figured it’d be easier to do things at home foodwise.

It seems it was quite a small “movement” :)

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:36:58
From: Neophyte
ID: 2142382
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Neophyte said:

Bubblecar said:

I made no comment on the accuracy, just posted one of the few references available.

There were aspects of it that were frankly loopy – I was only doing it because the friend I shared house with at the time was going to do it (the Mrs Philips mentioned was actually one of my dad’s cousin’s wife) and I figured it’d be easier to do things at home foodwise.

It seems it was quite a small “movement” :)

It forced me to eat properly ie no sugar etc, and combined with six days a week at the gym I was actually in the best condition I’d ever been in (or ever would be).

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:37:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2142383
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Bubblecar said:

Neophyte said:

There were aspects of it that were frankly loopy – I was only doing it because the friend I shared house with at the time was going to do it (the Mrs Philips mentioned was actually one of my dad’s cousin’s wife) and I figured it’d be easier to do things at home foodwise.

It seems it was quite a small “movement” :)

It forced me to eat properly ie no sugar etc, and combined with six days a week at the gym I was actually in the best condition I’d ever been in (or ever would be).

There you are then.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:51:12
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142384
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

I checked the iNaturalist observations and there is one at research grade relatively close to our covenant. I will keep on looking. Right at the moment there is practically nothing flowering. Some Hypochaeris. And that’s about it. We didn’t get a lot of rain, 5.8mm over 2 days at Penshurst. Further north got more and a quick look suggests it might have been around 10mm at the covenant. We were there on Monday and had nothing to make us even damp. So we actually haven’t had the break yet. However, there have been some mushrooms pop up anyway.

Yes, Autumn is a crap time for botany, even in WA, but things that are flowering now are often very interesting and poorly collected. Eucalypt flowerings are well represented during Summer and Autumn, plus you have the ferns and anywhere where there is moisture, but I have still spent many hours just twiddling my thumbs. Of the orchids, there are a few greenhoods that pop-up at this time of year and in your bracken/heath type environment, so you could keep and eye out for them.

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Date: 5/04/2024 16:59:14
From: buffy
ID: 2142386
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

I checked the iNaturalist observations and there is one at research grade relatively close to our covenant. I will keep on looking. Right at the moment there is practically nothing flowering. Some Hypochaeris. And that’s about it. We didn’t get a lot of rain, 5.8mm over 2 days at Penshurst. Further north got more and a quick look suggests it might have been around 10mm at the covenant. We were there on Monday and had nothing to make us even damp. So we actually haven’t had the break yet. However, there have been some mushrooms pop up anyway.

Yes, Autumn is a crap time for botany, even in WA, but things that are flowering now are often very interesting and poorly collected. Eucalypt flowerings are well represented during Summer and Autumn, plus you have the ferns and anywhere where there is moisture, but I have still spent many hours just twiddling my thumbs. Of the orchids, there are a few greenhoods that pop-up at this time of year and in your bracken/heath type environment, so you could keep and eye out for them.

Yes, the maroonhoods should put leaves up soon, and the nodding greenhoods. I have photographed Acianthus pusillus in April last year. Today I resorted to photographing the spent flowers on some roadside blue devils (E. ovinum) because I had photographed that spot from budding through flowering and I thought I should do the “dead” part of the cycle also. But that is just a spot I’ve been looking at on my way home from shopping over the past year or so. Planning on giving things a week or 10 days from the sprinkling of rain and then going to see if anyone has popped their heads up.

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Date: 5/04/2024 17:29:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2142390
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


I said I practised it – didn’t say I got it right.

Drew the line at organs….and you think The Advertiser was known as a bastion of accurate reporting?

Almost as reliable as the Daily Mail, I have no doubt.

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Date: 5/04/2024 17:46:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2142393
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

I checked the iNaturalist observations and there is one at research grade relatively close to our covenant. I will keep on looking. Right at the moment there is practically nothing flowering. Some Hypochaeris. And that’s about it. We didn’t get a lot of rain, 5.8mm over 2 days at Penshurst. Further north got more and a quick look suggests it might have been around 10mm at the covenant. We were there on Monday and had nothing to make us even damp. So we actually haven’t had the break yet. However, there have been some mushrooms pop up anyway.

Yes, Autumn is a crap time for botany, even in WA, but things that are flowering now are often very interesting and poorly collected. Eucalypt flowerings are well represented during Summer and Autumn, plus you have the ferns and anywhere where there is moisture, but I have still spent many hours just twiddling my thumbs. Of the orchids, there are a few greenhoods that pop-up at this time of year and in your bracken/heath type environment, so you could keep and eye out for them.

Yes, the maroonhoods should put leaves up soon, and the nodding greenhoods. I have photographed Acianthus pusillus in April last year. Today I resorted to photographing the spent flowers on some roadside blue devils (E. ovinum) because I had photographed that spot from budding through flowering and I thought I should do the “dead” part of the cycle also. But that is just a spot I’ve been looking at on my way home from shopping over the past year or so. Planning on giving things a week or 10 days from the sprinkling of rain and then going to see if anyone has popped their heads up.

You’re becoming a bit of a botanist in your retirement.

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Date: 5/04/2024 17:57:49
From: buffy
ID: 2142395
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

Yes, Autumn is a crap time for botany, even in WA, but things that are flowering now are often very interesting and poorly collected. Eucalypt flowerings are well represented during Summer and Autumn, plus you have the ferns and anywhere where there is moisture, but I have still spent many hours just twiddling my thumbs. Of the orchids, there are a few greenhoods that pop-up at this time of year and in your bracken/heath type environment, so you could keep and eye out for them.

Yes, the maroonhoods should put leaves up soon, and the nodding greenhoods. I have photographed Acianthus pusillus in April last year. Today I resorted to photographing the spent flowers on some roadside blue devils (E. ovinum) because I had photographed that spot from budding through flowering and I thought I should do the “dead” part of the cycle also. But that is just a spot I’ve been looking at on my way home from shopping over the past year or so. Planning on giving things a week or 10 days from the sprinkling of rain and then going to see if anyone has popped their heads up.

You’re becoming a bit of a botanist in your retirement.

I suspect so. I spend quite a bit of time finding descriptions so I can differentiate between different plants that are quite similar to look at. And I seem to be getting quite good at identifying weeds. Still, I suppose it is all practice and teaches me what details to look at.

:)

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Date: 5/04/2024 18:06:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2142396
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZfb43×7eGY

Link

Flap your wings and fly an aeroplume
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Date: 6/04/2024 00:21:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142505
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


kii said:

dv said:

You’re forcing me to recite the ancient proverb, “A weed is any plant growing where it is not wanted.”

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Dandelions are generally considered weeds because they muck up the look of a lawn.
However, they are really improving the soil and should be left to do their job.
They are edible. Lawns aren’t.

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Date: 6/04/2024 00:23:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142507
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

kii said:

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Weed does not mean invasive species.

To me it does. Why else would it be invading?

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Date: 6/04/2024 00:27:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142508
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

Because of the nature of seed dispersal, dandelions are alost everywhere.

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Date: 6/04/2024 02:12:41
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142511
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

buffy said:

Which is why this mad woman here constantly turns dandelion flowers over to look at the underneath. Still looking for a native one…

:)

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

Because of the nature of seed dispersal, dandelions are alost everywhere.

But most are of different species, although obviously separated from each other for long periods of time for them to evolve into new species.

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Date: 6/04/2024 08:42:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142520
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

I still do the same, but have only found one of the species where rare in the Victorian High Country, but was common on the Central Plateau of Tasmania.

Because of the nature of seed dispersal, dandelions are almost everywhere.

But most are of different species, although obviously separated from each other for long periods of time for them to evolve into new species.

Yes.

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Date: 6/04/2024 08:58:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2142521
Subject: re: today I learned

A key figure in the development of the electric light bulb was

“ a Black American inventor named Lewis Latimer (who) took Edison’s bulb and set out to make it more durable, more efficient, and, most important, more affordable.”

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Date: 6/04/2024 09:06:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142522
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


A key figure in the development of the electric light bulb was

“ a Black American inventor named Lewis Latimer (who) took Edison’s bulb and set out to make it more durable, more efficient, and, most important, more affordable.”

Lewis Howard Latimer (September 4, 1848 – December 11, 1928) was an African American inventor and patent draftsman. His inventions included an evaporative air conditioner, an improved process for manufacturing carbon filaments for light bulbs, and an improved toilet system for railroad cars. In 1884, he joined the Edison Electric Light Company where he worked as a draftsman.

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Date: 6/04/2024 10:00:46
From: Michael V
ID: 2142529
Subject: re: today I learned

Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

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Date: 6/04/2024 11:32:48
From: buffy
ID: 2142549
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

Thank you. That’s the one that is a maybe. On this map from iNaturalist, our block is sort of between Grassdale and Dartmoor (you will have to embiggen the map by scrolling)…so almost spitting distance (if you can spit a long way). As they look so similar to the imports, I keep looking to see if I can find a native one.

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7830&subview=map&taxon_id=1237490

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Date: 6/04/2024 11:37:55
From: dv
ID: 2142551
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

kii said:

You win!
Dandelions are considered weeds by many, but they are edible. They are also one of the first flowering things for bees in spring.

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Dandelions are generally considered weeds because they muck up the look of a lawn.
However, they are really improving the soil and should be left to do their job.
They are edible. Lawns aren’t.

They are also better for bees than lawns are.

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Date: 6/04/2024 11:41:04
From: Michael V
ID: 2142553
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

Thank you. That’s the one that is a maybe. On this map from iNaturalist, our block is sort of between Grassdale and Dartmoor (you will have to embiggen the map by scrolling)…so almost spitting distance (if you can spit a long way). As they look so similar to the imports, I keep looking to see if I can find a native one.

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7830&subview=map&taxon_id=1237490

Good-oh.

:)

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Date: 6/04/2024 12:47:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142571
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

There are many different species of Dandelion with most countries having at least one species indigenous to it. Australia for instance has 2 native species although due to European land management they are now quite rare.

Dandelions are generally considered weeds because they muck up the look of a lawn.
However, they are really improving the soil and should be left to do their job.
They are edible. Lawns aren’t.

They are also better for bees than lawns are.

Indeed so.

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Date: 6/04/2024 15:40:13
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142635
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

Well there you go buffy, right on your doorstep. It would be a great discovery if you could find one. It is the same species (now thought extinct) in WA and near to me at Israelite Bay to the East of Esperance. The habitat there is limestone so it might prefer alkaline soils.

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Date: 6/04/2024 15:44:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2142640
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

Thank you. That’s the one that is a maybe. On this map from iNaturalist, our block is sort of between Grassdale and Dartmoor (you will have to embiggen the map by scrolling)…so almost spitting distance (if you can spit a long way). As they look so similar to the imports, I keep looking to see if I can find a native one.

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7830&subview=map&taxon_id=1237490

Flowering in April too.

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Date: 6/04/2024 17:51:48
From: buffy
ID: 2142698
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Michael V said:

Taraxacum cygnorum — Coast Dandelion, Native Dandelion, for buffy. It occurs only in a small area between Mt Gambier and Portland.

Species Profile and Threats Database

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=2508

Well there you go buffy, right on your doorstep. It would be a great discovery if you could find one. It is the same species (now thought extinct) in WA and near to me at Israelite Bay to the East of Esperance. The habitat there is limestone so it might prefer alkaline soils.

We’ve got grey sand mostly.

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Date: 7/04/2024 14:06:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2142862
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that the cross-headed screws holding Japanese motorbikes and cars together are not Philips-head screws They are different – JIS – Japanese Industrial Standard, and have a different profile.

No wonder that I have ruined both screwdrivers and screws, as I only have Philips cross-head screwdrivers. I probably should get some JIS screwdrivers.

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Date: 7/04/2024 14:13:40
From: party_pants
ID: 2142865
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that the cross-headed screws holding Japanese motorbikes and cars together are not Philips-head screws They are different – JIS – Japanese Industrial Standard, and have a different profile.

me too, now.

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Date: 7/04/2024 14:16:34
From: Kingy
ID: 2142867
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that the cross-headed screws holding Japanese motorbikes and cars together are not Philips-head screws They are different – JIS – Japanese Industrial Standard, and have a different profile.

No wonder that I have ruined both screwdrivers and screws, as I only have Philips cross-head screwdrivers. I probably should get some JIS screwdrivers.

I wonder if the other kids at school made fun of Philip. Maye he just wore a baggy cap to hide the shape of his head.

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Date: 7/04/2024 14:33:18
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2142869
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that the cross-headed screws holding Japanese motorbikes and cars together are not Philips-head screws They are different – JIS – Japanese Industrial Standard, and have a different profile.

No wonder that I have ruined both screwdrivers and screws, as I only have Philips cross-head screwdrivers. I probably should get some JIS screwdrivers.

Yep, JIS is much nicer to use.

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Date: 7/04/2024 14:34:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2142870
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL that the cross-headed screws holding Japanese motorbikes and cars together are not Philips-head screws They are different – JIS – Japanese Industrial Standard, and have a different profile.

No wonder that I have ruined both screwdrivers and screws, as I only have Philips cross-head screwdrivers. I probably should get some JIS screwdrivers.

Nods.
There’s lots of sets of newer screwdriver bits at the store with the big B. There’s the torx ones as well.

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Date: 7/04/2024 16:37:16
From: dv
ID: 2142894
Subject: re: today I learned

If you’re going to do the Sunday Quiz don’t read this.

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TIL that the Venus Fly Trap is native only to part of North and South Carolina.

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Date: 7/04/2024 17:30:17
From: esselte
ID: 2142905
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned about rivers. I learned that a river is not just a mass of water moving down hill, but is better thought of as a mass of water and sediment.

Lanes Balance is a conceptual model for describing the way rivers move.

This says that the sediment discharge (Qs) multiplied by the median sediment size (D50), is proportional to the water discharge (Qw) multiplied by the over all slope of the river (S) from source to ocean.

It is often represented as a balancing scale, hence Lanes Balance.

Should one of the conditions change and throw out the proportionality, the river will also change to reestablish that proportionality.

This means, for example, if the amount of sediment entering the river and the median size of that sediment stay the same, but the amount of water flowing into the river increases, over time the river will change to a more meandering course than previously, which increases it’s over all length and so decreases its over all slope. Similarly, if say the median grain size of the sediment entering the river becomes larger than it was, or if the amount of sediment increases, the river will respond by increasing its slope by changing to a shorter, less meandering path to the sea.

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Date: 7/04/2024 17:41:21
From: dv
ID: 2142906
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Today I learned about rivers. I learned that a river is not just a mass of water moving down hill, but is better thought of as a mass of water and sediment.

Lanes Balance is a conceptual model for describing the way rivers move.

This says that the sediment discharge (Qs) multiplied by the median sediment size (D50), is proportional to the water discharge (Qw) multiplied by the over all slope of the river (S) from source to ocean.

It is often represented as a balancing scale, hence Lanes Balance.

Should one of the conditions change and throw out the proportionality, the river will also change to reestablish that proportionality.

This means, for example, if the amount of sediment entering the river and the median size of that sediment stay the same, but the amount of water flowing into the river increases, over time the river will change to a more meandering course than previously, which increases it’s over all length and so decreases its over all slope. Similarly, if say the median grain size of the sediment entering the river becomes larger than it was, or if the amount of sediment increases, the river will respond by increasing its slope by changing to a shorter, less meandering path to the sea.

ikr

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Date: 7/04/2024 17:49:24
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2142910
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Today I learned about rivers. I learned that a river is not just a mass of water moving down hill, but is better thought of as a mass of water and sediment.

Lanes Balance is a conceptual model for describing the way rivers move.

This says that the sediment discharge (Qs) multiplied by the median sediment size (D50), is proportional to the water discharge (Qw) multiplied by the over all slope of the river (S) from source to ocean.

It is often represented as a balancing scale, hence Lanes Balance.

Should one of the conditions change and throw out the proportionality, the river will also change to reestablish that proportionality.

This means, for example, if the amount of sediment entering the river and the median size of that sediment stay the same, but the amount of water flowing into the river increases, over time the river will change to a more meandering course than previously, which increases it’s over all length and so decreases its over all slope. Similarly, if say the median grain size of the sediment entering the river becomes larger than it was, or if the amount of sediment increases, the river will respond by increasing its slope by changing to a shorter, less meandering path to the sea.

Ah, the borax of geography 1020 at uni. Just as well I went into a job where I can get called a fuckhead by addicts on the regular…

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Date: 7/04/2024 18:42:44
From: Ian
ID: 2142935
Subject: re: today I learned

Circumnavigation of Australia… 100 years..

The young air force was a small, close-knit organisation comparable to a flying club, although several pioneering flights were undertaken by its members. One of the most notable was made by Commander Stanley Goble and Flying Officer (later Flight Lieutenant) Ivor McIntyre in 1924, when they became the first men to circumnavigate Australia by air, in a single-engined Fairey IIID floatplane. The English-born McIntyre, who was lead pilot while Goble acted as commander and navigator, was also a World War I veteran of the Royal Naval Air Service. The purpose of the flight was to survey the northern coastline of Australia for defence planning, and to test the capabilities of the Fairey IIID.

Goble and McIntyre took off from Point Cook, Victoria, on 6 April 1924 and flew 8,450 miles (13,600 km) in 44 days, in often arduous conditions. Though well-prepared with fuel stocks and spare parts pre-positioned along the intended route, they had to contend with illness and tropical storms, as well as mid-air engine trouble and fuel leaks. Their journey took them anticlockwise around the continent, along the Eastern Australian coast through Sydney, Southport, Townsville and Thursday Island, crossing the Gulf of Carpentaria to Darwin, and then continuing along the coast through Broome, Carnarvon, Perth, Albany and Port Lincoln, before arriving back in Victoria. As they flew above Point Cook, twelve RAAF aircraft took to the air to escort them to their landing place at St Kilda Beach, where they were welcomed by a crowd of 10,000 people.

Prime Minister Stanley Bruce called the expedition “one of the most wonderful accomplishments in the history of aviation”, his government presenting Goble with a gift of £500, and £250 to McIntyre. The British Royal Aero Club awarded them the annual Britannia Trophy, and they were appointed Commanders of the Order of the British Empire in the King’s Birthday Honours. Though the flight is still acknowledged as one of the most important in Australian aviation, the necessity for the Air Force chief to personally command such a journey has been questioned, suggesting that it was motivated by the one-upmanship that characterised the Williams-Goble relationship. Two years later Williams would make a three-month, 10,000-mile (16,000 km) round trip from Point Cook to the Pacific Islands, the first international flight undertaken by an RAAF plane and crew, amid similar suspicions.

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Date: 7/04/2024 19:52:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2142958
Subject: re: today I learned

about nutrias.

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Date: 7/04/2024 19:52:26
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2142959
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


about nutrias.

for fur.

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Date: 7/04/2024 19:54:40
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2142961
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


sarahs mum said:

about nutrias.

for fur.

became a pest in East Anglia until eradicated.

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Date: 8/04/2024 21:27:01
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143202
Subject: re: today I learned

that plastic bertrand didn’t actually sing his famous song.

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Date: 8/04/2024 21:29:29
From: dv
ID: 2143204
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


that plastic bertrand didn’t actually sing his famous song.

De prick

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Date: 8/04/2024 21:31:01
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143205
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

that plastic bertrand didn’t actually sing his famous song.

De prick

Legal issues
In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of “Ça plane pour moi”, on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. “Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of ‘Ça plane pour moi’ is Lou Deprijck’s voice,” stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand

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Date: 8/04/2024 21:36:38
From: dv
ID: 2143206
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

that plastic bertrand didn’t actually sing his famous song.

De prick

Legal issues
In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of “Ça plane pour moi”, on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. “Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of ‘Ça plane pour moi’ is Lou Deprijck’s voice,” stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand

It’s kind of weird because honestly it sounds like shit and it is hard to imagine it would have sounded worse if he’d just sung it himself

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Date: 8/04/2024 22:19:39
From: Neophyte
ID: 2143210
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

De prick

Legal issues
In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of “Ça plane pour moi”, on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. “Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of ‘Ça plane pour moi’ is Lou Deprijck’s voice,” stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand

It’s kind of weird because honestly it sounds like shit and it is hard to imagine it would have sounded worse if he’d just sung it himself

Plenty of cases in pop music where the credited artist had nothing to do with the record released.

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Date: 8/04/2024 23:43:31
From: dv
ID: 2143213
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Legal issues
In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of “Ça plane pour moi”, on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. “Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of ‘Ça plane pour moi’ is Lou Deprijck’s voice,” stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand

It’s kind of weird because honestly it sounds like shit and it is hard to imagine it would have sounded worse if he’d just sung it himself

Plenty of cases in pop music where the credited artist had nothing to do with the record released.

Not too many these days, I hope

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Date: 9/04/2024 23:07:35
From: dv
ID: 2143471
Subject: re: today I learned

Hunsrick is a Germanic language spoken by millions of people in South America, primarily Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina. It is spoken by descendants of people who moved from various German-speaking regions before the standardisation of German in the 19th century.

The dialect it mainly descends from is Moselle Franconian, from Saarland and Luxembourg and surrounds, but it has been influenced by Pomeranian and other German dialects, but also by Portuguese.

Sample texts in Hunsrik
Te Kleene Prins
Een mool, wii ich sëks yoer alt waar, hon ich in en puuch iwich te Uer Walt, erleepte kexichte, en imprësionant pilt kesiin. Tas tsaycht en riisich jibóia xlang en wilt tier am xlike. Too is en khopii fom pilt. Tas puuch saat: “Ti riisiche jibóia xlange xlike, oone khaue, tas kefangne tier kans. Tëm noo, khëne se sich nët mer peweeche un xloofe ti sëks moonate fon te fertauung.”

Translation (German)
Als ich sechs Jahre alt war, sah ich einmal in einem Buch über den Urwald “Erlebte Geschichten” hieß, ein prächtiges Bild. Es stellte eine Riesenschlange dar, wie si ein Wildtier verschlang. Hier ist eine Kopie der Zeichnung. In dem Buch hieß es: “ Die Boas verschlingen ihre Beute als Ganzes, ohne sie zu zerbeißen. Daraufhin können sie sich nicht mehr rühren und schlafen sechs Monate, um zu verdauen.”

Translation (English)
Once when I was six years old I saw a magnificent picture in a book, called True Stories from Nature, about the primeval forest. It was a picture of a boa constrictor in the act of swallowing an animal. Here is a copy of the drawing. In the book it said: “Boa constrictors swallow their prey whole, without chewing it. After that they are not able to move, and they sleep through the six months that they need for digestion.

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Date: 10/04/2024 09:29:38
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143512
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

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Date: 10/04/2024 09:31:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143513
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

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Date: 10/04/2024 09:40:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143514
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:01:08
From: Ian
ID: 2143520
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

Just to add to the joys of FAW..

Farmers are grappling with the most damaging incursion of fall armyworm (FAW) on record, and have likened the destruction to that caused by a bushfire. 

“Our area was hit pretty heavily with bushfires this season and a lot of the farmers are describing this identical to a bushfire,” Queensland grower Cameron Rackemann said.

“They’re losing entire crops and complete losses on inputs and there’s no government subsidy or support for these farmers who’ve basically lost everything.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-02-15/worst-fall-armyworm-incursion-on-record-costing-farmers-millions/103466900?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:06:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143522
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

OK.
Well the problem has been going on for a while. We have talked about it on this forum before.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:07:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2143525
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

OK.
Well the problem has been going on for a while. We have talked about it on this forum before.

Is this another consequence of European colonisation?

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:12:18
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143526
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

OK.
Well the problem has been going on for a while. We have talked about it on this forum before.

Is this another consequence of European colonisation?

if you factor in that we, mostly european, brought grazing livestock into australia, and by doing that promoted grassland, then by drawing a long bow the answer is probably, yes.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:13:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2143527
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

OK.
Well the problem has been going on for a while. We have talked about it on this forum before.

Is this another consequence of European colonisation?

if you factor in that we, mostly european, brought grazing livestock into australia, and by doing that promoted grassland, then by drawing a long bow the answer is probably, yes.

Thought it would be.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:13:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143528
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

OK.
Well the problem has been going on for a while. We have talked about it on this forum before.

Is this another consequence of European colonisation?

In that of clearing forests to create pastures and introducing new pature grasses, yes.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:15:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2143529
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-04-08/pasture-dieback-research-hope-beef-graziers/103654066

Link

never heard of it.

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

ABC have had articles on pasture dieback, mentioning the mealy bug before, when the phenomenon has occurred.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:17:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143530
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

roughbarked said:

The dieback or the mealy bugs?

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

ABC have had articles on pasture dieback, mentioning the mealy bug before, when the phenomenon has occurred.

The pheneomenon was first noticed in 1920 in Queensland.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:22:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143533
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

both. i have heard of mealy bugs but probably not this particular one.

ABC have had articles on pasture dieback, mentioning the mealy bug before, when the phenomenon has occurred.

The pheneomenon was first noticed in 1920 in Queensland.

The species is named a after the late Sir William Alan Thompson Summerville, who first discovered and comprehensively documented the species in the 1920s.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:34:50
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2143544
Subject: re: today I learned

perhaps I never saw those articles. just read the title of this thread for a clue.

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Date: 10/04/2024 10:38:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2143548
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


perhaps I never saw those articles. just read the title of this thread for a clue.

“I think there’s real promise for using some more tolerant grass species and being able to produce feed in dieback-affected country. It’s really exciting the results that we’re seeing.”

>The new hope appears to be from introducing more pasture species when this problem never happened when only native pastures were present.

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Date: 11/04/2024 10:47:01
From: kii
ID: 2143875
Subject: re: today I learned

Why do people do this?

“Imagine sweet corn ice cream, frozen into a smooth, summery and sunny vegan white chocolate. To make this bar, we mix ground super sweet yellow corn and whole vanilla bean into our creamy vegan white chocolate.”

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Date: 11/04/2024 11:24:00
From: Arts
ID: 2143885
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Why do people do this?

“Imagine sweet corn ice cream, frozen into a smooth, summery and sunny vegan white chocolate. To make this bar, we mix ground super sweet yellow corn and whole vanilla bean into our creamy vegan white chocolate.”

there used to be a show where people made cupcake called Cup cake wars or something – it was terrible in a car crash sort of way where I couldn’t look away… anyway, they would make cupcakes out of the most savoury of things… which allegedly tasted great.. I’m against it… corn should not be in a cupcake… bacon.. bacon should not be in a cupcake.. etc

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Date: 11/04/2024 11:35:46
From: kii
ID: 2143886
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


kii said:

Why do people do this?

“Imagine sweet corn ice cream, frozen into a smooth, summery and sunny vegan white chocolate. To make this bar, we mix ground super sweet yellow corn and whole vanilla bean into our creamy vegan white chocolate.”

there used to be a show where people made cupcake called Cup cake wars or something – it was terrible in a car crash sort of way where I couldn’t look away… anyway, they would make cupcakes out of the most savoury of things… which allegedly tasted great.. I’m against it… corn should not be in a cupcake… bacon.. bacon should not be in a cupcake.. etc

Like PB in deodorant? The recent discovery I made. Facebook ads are fucking with my sense of reality.

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Date: 11/04/2024 15:31:39
From: dv
ID: 2144006
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 13/04/2024 09:48:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2144475
Subject: re: today I learned

… of Halton Arp

I don’t recall hearing of this guy before, but found it an interesting read, unaccepted as his ideas may be.

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Date: 13/04/2024 09:53:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2144476
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… of Halton Arp

I don’t recall hearing of this guy before, but found it an interesting read, unaccepted as his ideas may be.

I’ll read it later. Today I learned that there’s something different in Denmark.

https://www.cannabisbotanical.com.au/

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Date: 13/04/2024 20:47:28
From: dv
ID: 2144650
Subject: re: today I learned

The Buddha and Confucius were alive at the same time.

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Date: 13/04/2024 20:59:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2144651
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Buddha and Confucius were alive at the same time.

Some sayings attributed to Confucius.
“Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.” …
“Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.” …
“Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.” …
“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.” .

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Date: 14/04/2024 07:58:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2144720
Subject: re: today I learned

of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

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Date: 14/04/2024 08:34:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2144723
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

What Would Terence Tao Do ¿

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:04:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2144728
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

Agree.

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:08:10
From: Ian
ID: 2144730
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

So, what is “idempotent analysis”?

Ah.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotent_analysis

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:33:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2144733
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

So, what is “idempotent analysis”?

Ah.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotent_analysis

… and what does “idempotent” mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotence

The purpose of an operator that never does anything is not obvious to me.

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:39:54
From: kii
ID: 2144734
Subject: re: today I learned

Lori and George Schappell

Amazing lives.

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:45:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2144735
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of tropical semiring

Having read the first screenful of words and symbols, I still have no idea why anyone would want to do that.

So, what is “idempotent analysis”?

Ah.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotent_analysis

… and what does “idempotent” mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotence

The purpose of an operator that never does anything is not obvious to me.

I’m told that this video explains why idempotent operators can be useful:
The two generals problem

Haven’t watched it all, but he speaks clearly, and quite fast, so that’s something.

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:56:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2144738
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ian said:

So, what is “idempotent analysis”?

Ah.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotent_analysis

… and what does “idempotent” mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotence

The purpose of an operator that never does anything is not obvious to me.

I’m told that this video explains why idempotent operators can be useful:
The two generals problem

Haven’t watched it all, but he speaks clearly, and quite fast, so that’s something.

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September 2018.

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I was tired, I was exhausted,

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I’d just got back home from something,

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and I didn’t have the energy to cook.

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So I went to my phone,

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opened up a certain food-delivery app that’s
popular in the UK, and I ordered pizza.

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Now, I know: that food-delivery company’s
employment practices are questionable,

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there are more ethical ways to get dinner
delivered.

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But I was tired, and I was hungry.

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As are a lot of their drivers.

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But that was the Night of the Multiple Orders,

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when a bug in that app meant that some people
around Britain ended up with

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identical food orders
being delivered two or three times,

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and others got nothing at all.

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And I nearly got caught up in the chaos.

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To explain what happened,

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I need to tell you a story about two generals.

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The Two Generals’ Problem is a
classic of computer science,

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and it goes like this: picture a valley.

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In the middle of the valley is a
heavily fortified castle.

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On the edges of the valley are two armies.

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The generals of these armies know that the
only way they can win a battle and overwhelm

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the castle is if they both attack
at the same time.

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A single army isn’t going to make it.

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They need the combined strength from
both sides of the valley to win.

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And the only way they can communicate

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is by sending messengers on a
risky path through the valley.

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And General A won’t know what the right
time is until everyone’s already in position.

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How can those two generals coordinate

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to make sure they
attack at the same time?

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This is a magical computer-science-land problem,
by the way,

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so reasonable suggestions like “semaphore”
or “telescopes” don’t apply.

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On the surface the problem seems trivial.

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General A could just send a message to
General B with a proposed time.

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Say, 8 o’clock.

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But the messenger has to pass
through the valley,

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and if they’re spotted, they’re, um,

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not going to make it to the other side to
deliver the message.

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So how does General A know that General B
received the message?

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The messenger might not have made it.

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And if that happens,

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A will attack, B won’t, and they’ll lose.

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So maybe they arrange it so General B has
to send an acknowledgment back,

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and General A will only attack
if that acknowledgement arrives.

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But that now runs into the same problem:

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how does B know that A has received
the acknowledgement?

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If it doesn’t get through,

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A won’t attack, B will, and they’ll lose.

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So, General A could send another acknowledgement
for the acknowledgement.

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But how do they know that message
has gotten through? Well,

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General B could send an acknowledgment for
the acknowledgement for the acknowledgement

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and so on, and so on, and so on.

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This problem is unsolvable.

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I know, it feels like there should be some
hacky workaround

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like sending 200 messengers,
and sure,

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that would probably work
in the real world.

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But this is magical information-theory
computer-science land.

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Under these strict rules,

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there is never a guarantee,
there is no certainty,

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there is no arrangement that can be made,
there is no way,

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that the two generals,
the two computers sending data,

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can agree that the message has definitely
been received and acknowledged.

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Now, with computers you’re not usually dealing
with such high stakes.

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If you are in computer science and working
on a problem that involves potential loss of life,

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I really hope you aren’t watching a series
called “The Basics”.

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Anyway. I was ordering food.

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And I put my order together, I tapped ‘pay’,

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I put my fingerprint on my phone’s reader.

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I got the little Apple Pay progress bar,
and the little tick.

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And then I got a message from the app
saying that there had been a problem,

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and my order had failed to go through.
Would I like to try again?

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And I was about to.

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I was about to hit ‘pay’ again.

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And then something, just in the back
of my head, said: hang on.

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There was that little tick saying
payment had worked.

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And I’m enough of a computer nerd to go
“I’m not sure I believe that failed”.

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So I checked the ‘order history’ page.

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It took a few tries to load,
but when it finally did, there was my order.

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Processing. It had gone through, but
the acknowledgement hadn’t come back.

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Or, rather, something had gone wrong
on the app’s servers,

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and the logic they’d written
thought it had failed when it hadn’t.

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So I sat tight,
I hoped that my food would arrive,

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and I figured that the engineers were probably
having a very bad day.

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They really were.

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Because I wasn’t the only one.

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People all over the UK ordering via the app
were going to the payment screen,

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hitting the button and getting
“try again”.

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And a lot of them did.
Again, and again, and again.

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They were General A,
and the app’s server was General B,

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and they were part of a real-life,
complicated version of the Two Generals’ problem.

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Imagine all the customers as General A,

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sending message after message to General B.
B received the messages,

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dutifully took the money from the credit card
every time —

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they attacked —

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but something had happened that stopped
the confirmation message getting through.

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According to the flood of angry reports on
Twitter,

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sometimes the restaurant would realise the
problem and just send one order.

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Sometimes the restaurant wouldn’t realise,

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and three different drivers would arrive
with three identical orders.

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Sometimes no food would arrive at all.

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The app’s customer service line was swamped.

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To be clear: this was not the sort of thing
that is one engineer’s fault.

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When something goes this drastically wrong,

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there have been many poor decisions made over
a long period of time.

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A single human error is never a root cause.

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So what else could the app team have done?

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How can you solve the Two Generals’ problem
in the real world?

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Well, first, maybe no-one should have
been able to place two identical orders

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on the same credit card,
for the same restaurant,

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within a few minutes of each other.

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That seems like the sort of thing there should
have been a check for?

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But the real solution is an
“idempotency token”, or an “idempotency key”.

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This is a unique value generated on
the app, or on the web site:

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and it’s a shopping cart ID, basically,

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and it’s sent along with the order.

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it’s not just for shopping carts, though:

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the idempotency token could be attached to
instructions to delete the oldest log file,

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or send a text message,

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or anything that you only want to happen once.

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The server stores the idempotency key to keep
track of the request.

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And if another request arrives with the same
key attached,

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then the server knows it’s already
dealt with that request.

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So it doesn’t fulfill it again; instead it
knows that the reply didn’t get through,

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so it just sends back a copy of that first
acknowledgement again.

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Now, that still won’t help if none
of the messengers get through,

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if the connection completely fails,

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but for real-world problems,
humans will notice that.

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Idempotence means that you can request the
same thing multiple times

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and it’ll only ever happen once.

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That’s the way to fix the
Two Generals’ Problem.

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I was lucky.

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I placed one order,
I was charged for one order,

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and one order of food arrived
half an hour later.

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Next time, I’ll just cook for myself.

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This series of The Basics is sponsored by
Dashlane, the password manager.

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I mentioned in the previous sponsored section
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and payment details between
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Which sounds a bit like magic.

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When you sign up to Dashlane, you choose a
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Anyway, when you sign up,

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you pick a single Master Password,

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and that is never transmitted over the internet.

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Not even to Dashlane,
not to their servers, nowhere.

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If you don’t know that password,

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all that private data just looks
like random noise.

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So: when you sign up to a new website and
Dashlane generates

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a long, complicated password
for you,

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it is bundled up and encrypted using your
master password, that only you know.

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That encryption takes just long enough,
a few fractions of a second,

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that there’s no way to
brute-force it back open.

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That encrypted bundle gets sent to Dashlane:

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they just see random noise with a label saying
‘please synchronise this’.

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So they pass the bundle on to your other devices,

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and those devices, and only those devices,
can decrypt it because, at some point,

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you’re going to open up the app and type
in your Master Password.

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In truth, it’s actually a little
more secure than that,

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because behind-the-scenes they also generate
a different key for each device you log in to,

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but that is a whole other level of security

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that I have actually found it impossible to
explain in a script.

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But, in the massively unlikely event that someone
did compromise Dashlane’s servers,

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or bribe some employee, it wouldn’t work.

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All they could do is watch those packets of
random noise get shuffled around.

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All your data stays on your own devices.

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Which means,
if you lose your Master Password,

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Dashlane can’t help you.

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But that’s fine,

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because now you’ve just got a single password
to remember.

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That is massively more secure than reusing
the same password

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or variations on a password
everywhere online.

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Like I said last time:
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So: dashlane.com/tomscott for a
free 30-day trial of Dashlane Premium,

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Date: 14/04/2024 09:59:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2144740
Subject: re: today I learned

Thanks Mr. S.

S’pose I could have done that :)

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Date: 14/04/2024 14:44:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2144822
Subject: re: today I learned

Many explanations have been proposed, but no-one really knows how the word “gaucho” originated. Already in 1933 an author counted 36 different theories; more recently, over fifty. They can proliferate because “there is no documentation of any sort that will fix its origin to any time, place or language”.

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Date: 14/04/2024 20:32:41
From: dv
ID: 2144911
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Many explanations have been proposed, but no-one really knows how the word “gaucho” originated. Already in 1933 an author counted 36 different theories; more recently, over fifty. They can proliferate because “there is no documentation of any sort that will fix its origin to any time, place or language”.

How very gauche

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Date: 14/04/2024 21:13:29
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2144918
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

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Date: 14/04/2024 21:31:55
From: dv
ID: 2144921
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

Good

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Date: 14/04/2024 22:02:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2144923
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

Good

This page isn’t available

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Date: 14/04/2024 22:07:52
From: dv
ID: 2144924
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

Good

This page isn’t available

It takes me to Ethan Beckler’s page

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Date: 14/04/2024 22:09:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2144925
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Good

This page isn’t available

It takes me to Ethan Beckler’s page

Possibly only for Facebook members.

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Date: 15/04/2024 02:45:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2144956
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

Spectacular in another world.

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:12:03
From: Michael V
ID: 2144999
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/

Link

Macro photos.

Log in only.

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:18:43
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145003
Subject: re: today I learned

you could also do a search using his name to see if there is any other pages that you can access without a log-in.

https://www.instagram.com/1of1images/?hl=en

Link

https://www.ppa.com/ppmag/articles/the-smallest-niche

Link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63ZyxnyOJzDVyFa-hhdjIw

Link

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:27:36
From: Michael V
ID: 2145008
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


you could also do a search using his name to see if there is any other pages that you can access without a log-in.

https://www.instagram.com/1of1images/?hl=en

Link

https://www.ppa.com/ppmag/articles/the-smallest-niche

Link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63ZyxnyOJzDVyFa-hhdjIw

Link

How do I know “his” name?

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:28:33
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145009
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

you could also do a search using his name to see if there is any other pages that you can access without a log-in.

https://www.instagram.com/1of1images/?hl=en

Link

https://www.ppa.com/ppmag/articles/the-smallest-niche

Link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63ZyxnyOJzDVyFa-hhdjIw

Link

How do I know “his” name?

because it is mentioned in this thread by DV

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:29:40
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145010
Subject: re: today I learned

From: dv
ID: 2144924
Subject: re: today I learned
Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/442355497795154/user/1952460/
Link

Macro photos.
Good
This page isn’t available
It takes me to Ethan Beckler’s page

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:38:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2145011
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


you could also do a search using his name to see if there is any other pages that you can access without a log-in.

https://www.instagram.com/1of1images/?hl=en

Link

https://www.ppa.com/ppmag/articles/the-smallest-niche

Link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63ZyxnyOJzDVyFa-hhdjIw

Link

Thanks. Some great images there.

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Date: 15/04/2024 10:41:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2145015
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

you could also do a search using his name to see if there is any other pages that you can access without a log-in.

https://www.instagram.com/1of1images/?hl=en

Link

https://www.ppa.com/ppmag/articles/the-smallest-niche

Link

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC63ZyxnyOJzDVyFa-hhdjIw

Link

How do I know “his” name?

because it is mentioned in this thread by DV

I might have just missed that bit, or didn’t connect the two or something.

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Date: 15/04/2024 21:37:02
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145147
Subject: re: today I learned

Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

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Date: 16/04/2024 03:00:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2145184
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

Ref?

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:14:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2145200
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

Ref?

It derives from the first person singular Latin word ‘numero’ (active, indicative), which, you will not be surprised to learn, equates to our word ‘number’.

Scribes, who often had to repeat the word many times in accounts, ledgers, and lists, naturally abbreviated it to ‘No.’.

And, of course, those who wished to display their learning used it in conjunction with house numbers when house numbers came into use.

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:17:21
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145203
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

Ref?

Facebook encyclopaedia of bullshit.

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:21:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2145204
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

Ref?

Facebook encyclopaedia of bullshit.

I had thought you might have been channelling Curve.

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:24:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2145206
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Anthony Hegedus

It’s because hundreds of years ago if the post man was going to deliver a letter, he would usually just deliver to any house in the street. The people living at whatever house he delivered it to would know that the letter wasn’t for them and shout “No!”. Eventually, to make things simple, the residents of each street set about numbering their houses. So, for example, if a letter was meant for number 7, they would shout to the postman “No, 7!”. And that’s how the concept of writing “no” before a number arose.

Ref?

It derives from the first person singular Latin word ‘numero’ (active, indicative), which, you will not be surprised to learn, equates to our word ‘number’.

Scribes, who often had to repeat the word many times in accounts, ledgers, and lists, naturally abbreviated it to ‘No.’.

And, of course, those who wished to display their learning used it in conjunction with house numbers when house numbers came into use.

That’s far more reasonable.

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:40:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2145208
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Ref?

Facebook encyclopaedia of bullshit.

I had thought you might have been channelling Curve.

‘No, No’ is what the coxswain of a boat coming alongside a warship at night replies to the quartermaster of the ship’s ‘challenge’ of ‘boat ahoy!’, when his passenger is below the rank of Lieutenant.

Other ranks require replies appropriate to their status.

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Date: 16/04/2024 08:46:19
From: Tamb
ID: 2145210
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Ref?

Facebook encyclopaedia of bullshit.

I had thought you might have been channelling Curve.


Quite often now it is written #

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Date: 16/04/2024 11:29:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2145249
Subject: re: today I learned

“I don’t know if there’s a true gadolinium deposition disease or not, but I do want to take the patient’s perspective,” he says. “It’s an alien heavy metal that stays in your body.”

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Date: 16/04/2024 13:49:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2145312
Subject: re: today I learned

By 1961 he (Robin Williamson) had met and begun sharing a flat with Bert Jansch, and in 1963 they traveled to London to play the metropolitan folk circuit.

Also:
Williamson’s live album with John Renbourn, Wheel of Fortune (1995), was nominated for a Grammy Award,

Didn’t even know he had made an album with John Renbourn.

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Date: 16/04/2024 19:18:33
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145381
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:03:55
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2145394
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:11:39
From: dv
ID: 2145395
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:24:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2145398
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

The point is how harder rock can be fashioned with a softer chisel. Something else statistics can mislead you.

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:24:58
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145399
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

You probably don’t see the stuff that gets posted on Fraudulent Archaeology Wall of Shame’s FB page. They debunk at lot of woo.

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:34:38
From: dv
ID: 2145401
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

You probably don’t see the stuff that gets posted on Fraudulent Archaeology Wall of Shame’s FB page. They debunk at lot of woo.

I probably don’t.

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Date: 16/04/2024 22:52:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2145403
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

You probably don’t see the stuff that gets posted on Fraudulent Archaeology Wall of Shame’s FB page. They debunk at lot of woo.

I probably don’t.

It is a common trope amongst woo adherents that the egyptians couldn’t have fashioned the stone with copper chisels. They also employ the same “logic” to a lot of stone artefacts. It either wasn’t them but some other advanced culture with advanced tooling.

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Date: 17/04/2024 08:22:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2145431
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch66HHNANXc

Link

Copper chisel against rock | Geologist against myths

Often wondered, but quite obvious when you see that.

Not really sure what the point of this is. The Egyptian bronze age began in 3100 BC. The first known Egyptian pyramid, that of Djoser, was built around 2660 BC.

When we talk about ancient construction techniques, I often see the following kinds of comments:
“How are you going to chisel limestone with a copper tool?”
The hardness of limestone is 4.
or “ha ha ha… How are you going to chisel granite with a metal chisel?
when the hardness of granite is 8.
It’s true, friends. I receive comments like that.
So, let’s try to figure this out.
Limestone is composed of calcite and the hardness of calcite is not 4, but 3.
According to the Mohs scale.
About 60% of granite’s composition is feldspar,
30% is quartz and 10% percent are other minerals.
The hardness of quartz on the Mohs scale is 7, feldspar is 6.
So the average hardness should be about 6.5 not 8.
You understand the basic concepts,
but the hardness of the stone is not the best criterion to guide you.
Let me explain why.
Hardness is measured using the Mohs scale,
Mohs invented the scale more than 200 years ago, arranging common minerals of different
hardness assigning them values from 1 to 10.
Such as talc, gypsum, calcite, fluorite, orthoclase, quartz, topaz, corundum, diamond.
From lowest to highest hardness.
To determine hardness take the two minerals you are trying to test and try to scratch one against the other.
The one that can be scratched is the least hard.
If both are equally hard, they will be scratched at the same time, but without much difference.
By the way, geologists do not carry the Mohs scale with them.
They have two types of useful tools: their fingernails and a knife or a piece of glass.
The hardness of the nail is 2.5,
the knife or glass has a hardness of 5.5.
Anything harder than that will scratch the glass.
It is a simple procedure, it is simply a matter of carefully scratching the samples.
Of course, there are more precise methods such as the Brinell hardness scale which uses a diamond pyramid
to accurately mark the sample. Hardness is determined by the depth of the groove and the applied load.
But back to our stones. Do not confuse stones with minerals.
A mineral is a type of solid substance with a specific crystalline structure and chemical composition.
A stone can contain minerals, usually a stone contains several minerals.
Mineral grains tend to clump together.
For example, quartz sandstone.
It is made up of grains of sand with a hardness of 7.
But does this mean that sandstone cannot be scored with a knife?
Absolutely. It is possible if the sandstone in question does not contain solid cement,
but grains cemented at the point of contact.
All we have to do is scrape out the pimples.
The knife might chip, but so will the stone.
And only the hardness of the stone is not a good indicator.
Especially since people often confuse stone hardness with mechanical durability.
They believe that if a chisel or hammer is softer than a stone it will not be able to scrape it.
If that were the case, the picks used in geology would have to be made of corundum or diamond,
but they are metal.
There is a good example of this misconception in a quote attributed to Pliny the Elder,
makes the following statement:
“If a diamond, the hardest of all minerals, is placed on an anvil and struck with a hammer,
The hammer may damage the anvil, or crack it, but the diamond will remain intact.
But it doesn’t happen like that.
Diamond can be damaged easily.
Yes, it is hard but also brittle, and shatters if impacted.
It is a fact.
There are additional parameters such as compressive strength, tensile strength and shear strength.
These parameters are used to describe stones.
These are determined experimentally and are usually included in the stone’s documentation.
If we talk about drilling.
But drillability depends on the above factors, shear resistance,
to compression, resistance to tension and the hardness of the stone.
It also depends on how we do the drilling.
There are sharp abrasive drilling method, rotary, impact method,
Or the rotational combination. Drillability categories are defined for each
type of stone, the type of instrument and the method used.
Some stones may be easy to cut, but difficult to chip, for example jade.
Others chip easily but are difficult to cut.
and minerals like diamond can only be cut with a diamond.
On the other hand, it splinters easily. Something that jewelers have known for centuries.
In short, a stone can be processed in different ways.
If we talk about impact resistance,
the dynamic force of a stone,
then the hardness of the stone will not be the most important factor.
Very good, we are in a quarry that is very close to a town.
In this place, limestone with dolomite was extracted.
What is limestone and dolomite?
Typical limestone is made up of calcium carbonate.
Calcium has a value of three on the Mohs scale.
and dolomite is a double calcium and magnesium carbonate.
They occupy the same position in the crystal structure.
Dolomite is the hardest mineral. It has a hardness of approximately 3.5 to 4.
In our case, by pure accident, both the rock and the mineral have the same name.
Anyway, one could argue that the copper chisel, having a hardness of 3, is softer than dolomite.
Well, let’s see what can be done with a copper chisel.
You can see the layers of dolomite and limestone with dolomite.
I should have brought some hydrochloric acid to clean it,
but you can see anyway that this is not pure limestone.
The stone seems softer here, let’s try.
You can see that it breaks easily.
A piece came off.
Well, it may be hard, but I’m smart.
Here the rock formation is denser, more solid.
Let’s try.
I’m not stupid to hammer in the hardest area.
I’m going to try to break it.
This seems like the way to go.
Little by little, we continue.
See?, we bite and move forward.
Hey, do you guys want me to tear down this whole mountain?
The bottom line is that even though copper is not the perfect material, it can chip dolomite.
Dolomite is more difficult to work than normal limestone.
Boo, the Egyptians didn’t have steel hammers!
Boo, the Egyptians didn’t have birch sticks!
Is this better? Are you happy now or are you going to tell me that the Egyptians had dolomite?

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Date: 17/04/2024 08:26:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2145434
Subject: re: today I learned

You got nothing I want
You got nothing I need

I don’t need crying lies
I don’t need stupid alibi’s
I don’t need convertible cars,
And don’t think you can push me too far
You got the money, I got the time,
Nothing better to do, so you might just change my mind.

I don’t want to see you again
I don’t want you for a friend
I don’t want you hanging around
I don’t mind just putting you down.
You got the money, I got the time
Nothing better to do, so I might just change my mind.

I don’t have to tell you
How that you should do your job,
I don’t want to have to be the one to shock your happy home.

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Date: 21/04/2024 11:57:13
From: dv
ID: 2146840
Subject: re: today I learned

25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

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Date: 21/04/2024 12:14:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2146847
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

I know “bearded barley” from Tennyson’s The Lady of Shalott.

Underneath the bearded barley,
The reaper, reaping late and early,
Hears her ever chanting cheerly,
Like an angel, singing clearly, O’er the stream of Camelot.
Piling the sheaves in furrows airy,
Beneath the moon, the reaper weary
Listening whispers, ‘ ‘Tis the fairy, Lady of Shalott.’

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Date: 21/04/2024 12:52:41
From: dv
ID: 2146876
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

I know “bearded barley” from Tennyson’s The Lady of Shalott.

Underneath the bearded barley,
The reaper, reaping late and early,
Hears her ever chanting cheerly,
Like an angel, singing clearly, O’er the stream of Camelot.
Piling the sheaves in furrows airy,
Beneath the moon, the reaper weary
Listening whispers, ‘ ‘Tis the fairy, Lady of Shalott.’

Ha.

All I know of that poem is the reference in Christie’s The Mirror Crack’d.

Not sure whether barley goes well with shallots.

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Date: 21/04/2024 13:09:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2146886
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

Never heard of ‘em.

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Date: 21/04/2024 13:13:33
From: dv
ID: 2146891
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

Never heard of ‘em.

Before your time, probably

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Date: 21/04/2024 13:16:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2146893
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

25 years later, I learn that Sixpence None The Richer is singing “kiss me out of the bearded barley”. What an odd thing to say.

Never heard of ‘em.

Before your time, probably

I’m afraid I dismiss anything calling itself “progressive rock” after about 1975 as mere pretension.

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Date: 22/04/2024 08:43:57
From: dv
ID: 2147081
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/household-printers-tracking-code/

Do Household Printers Leave an Invisible Tracking Code on All Your Printed Documents?
While not all printers do this, nearly all color laser printers — at the urging of the United States government — code hidden metadata into their pages.

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Date: 22/04/2024 08:47:35
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2147082
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/household-printers-tracking-code/

Do Household Printers Leave an Invisible Tracking Code on All Your Printed Documents?
While not all printers do this, nearly all color laser printers — at the urging of the United States government — code hidden metadata into their pages.

and it is in yellow. read about this a little while ago.

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Date: 22/04/2024 09:16:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2147093
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/household-printers-tracking-code/

Do Household Printers Leave an Invisible Tracking Code on All Your Printed Documents?
While not all printers do this, nearly all color laser printers — at the urging of the United States government — code hidden metadata into their pages.

Fkn TikTok¡

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Date: 24/04/2024 06:27:51
From: dv
ID: 2147678
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 26/04/2024 13:38:26
From: dv
ID: 2148594
Subject: re: today I learned

Billie Holiday’s name was Eleanora Fagan.

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Date: 27/04/2024 07:31:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2148759
Subject: re: today I learned

Olympic Facts – The 54-Year Marathon

Shizo Kanakuri (1891 – 1983) was a Japanese marathon runner
who holds the Guinness World Record for the longest time to
complete a marathon.

Kanakuri was the first Japanese athlete to qualify for the Olympics.
He disappeared during the marathon in the 1912 Stockholm games
when, about sixteen miles into the race, an exhausted Kanakuri
left the course and stumbled into a garden party, where he drank
orange juice for an hour.

Embarrassed by his failure, he silently returned to Japan without
notifying race officials. A Swedish reporter discovered him working
as a geography teacher in Southern Japan. In 1967, Swedish
Television offered him the chance to complete his marathon.
On March 20, 1967, he finished the marathon. His official time was
54 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours 32 minutes 20.3 seconds.

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Date: 27/04/2024 09:47:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2148778
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Olympic Facts – The 54-Year Marathon

Shizo Kanakuri (1891 – 1983) was a Japanese marathon runner
who holds the Guinness World Record for the longest time to
complete a marathon.

Kanakuri was the first Japanese athlete to qualify for the Olympics.
He disappeared during the marathon in the 1912 Stockholm games
when, about sixteen miles into the race, an exhausted Kanakuri
left the course and stumbled into a garden party, where he drank
orange juice for an hour.

Embarrassed by his failure, he silently returned to Japan without
notifying race officials. A Swedish reporter discovered him working
as a geography teacher in Southern Japan. In 1967, Swedish
Television offered him the chance to complete his marathon.
On March 20, 1967, he finished the marathon. His official time was
54 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours 32 minutes 20.3 seconds.

:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizo_Kanakuri

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Date: 28/04/2024 21:52:12
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149330
Subject: re: today I learned

‘Whiffling’ is a manoeuvre where Geese seem to be flying upside down!
They roll their body upside down and twist their neck to keep their head
the right way up. Flying like this lets them rapidly lose speed and height
for a fast landing.

Picture: Vincent Cornelissen

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Date: 29/04/2024 12:17:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149446
Subject: re: today I learned

Now, Hartnell wasn’t in very good health and after three years, his blundering over lines and forgetfulness was costing a lot of money and time. In later years , it was found that he had arteriosclerosis, which caused his impairment. Hartnell was effectively sacked and the concept of ‘regeneration’ for the Doctor was introduced and at the end of his last episode, his face became that of Patrick Troughton.

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Date: 29/04/2024 12:20:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149447
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Now, Hartnell wasn’t in very good health and after three years, his blundering over lines and forgetfulness was costing a lot of money and time. In later years , it was found that he had arteriosclerosis, which caused his impairment. Hartnell was effectively sacked and the concept of ‘regeneration’ for the Doctor was introduced and at the end of his last episode, his face became that of Patrick Troughton.

https://www.facebook.com/moviemediahub247/posts/pfbid02SFkArhyhFoJAgkLufnodQ8TJHpSrncNQVTvmGztmKne1EiAPMBD8aptM3foXpzqvl

Link

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Date: 29/04/2024 12:28:23
From: dv
ID: 2149452
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Now, Hartnell wasn’t in very good health and after three years, his blundering over lines and forgetfulness was costing a lot of money and time. In later years , it was found that he had arteriosclerosis, which caused his impairment. Hartnell was effectively sacked and the concept of ‘regeneration’ for the Doctor was introduced and at the end of his last episode, his face became that of Patrick Troughton.

The budget was so low that sometimes they just left the flubs in rather than wasting more film. Vicki covered up his flub with a ad lib a couple of times.

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Date: 29/04/2024 12:28:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2149453
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Now, Hartnell wasn’t in very good health and after three years, his blundering over lines and forgetfulness was costing a lot of money and time. In later years , it was found that he had arteriosclerosis, which caused his impairment. Hartnell was effectively sacked and the concept of ‘regeneration’ for the Doctor was introduced and at the end of his last episode, his face became that of Patrick Troughton.

There are many instances of Hartnell ad-libbing because he’d forgotten the lines, and his companions then having to adjust their lines accordingly.

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Date: 29/04/2024 13:33:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2149479
Subject: re: today I learned

Co-contribututing factors.
Relating to house design and domestic violence.
Whereby couples are the main contributors and the design problem is the co contributing factor.
No, I’m not an expert.
I think it’s needs discussion/research.
Nothing to do with tax.

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Date: 29/04/2024 13:47:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2149482
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


Co-contribututing factors.
Relating to house design and domestic violence.
Whereby couples are the main contributors and the design problem is the co contributing factor.
No, I’m not an expert.
I think it’s needs discussion/research.
Nothing to do with tax.

Arts pointed out that they are not causes but co contributing factors.
I got corrected by Arts.

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Date: 29/04/2024 13:59:46
From: dv
ID: 2149484
Subject: re: today I learned

I thought the Aldi price tags were just regular printed stuff until I saw one update, after which I realised they were remotely connected digital paper tags.

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Date: 29/04/2024 14:30:17
From: Michael V
ID: 2149486
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I thought the Aldi price tags were just regular printed stuff until I saw one update, after which I realised they were remotely connected digital paper tags.


Huh!

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Date: 29/04/2024 14:33:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2149487
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

dv said:

I thought the Aldi price tags were just regular printed stuff until I saw one update, after which I realised they were remotely connected digital paper tags.


Huh!

Yeah we saw them start flickering like 8 months in the past, wondered wtf that was about, we hadn’t had that much meth that day.

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Date: 29/04/2024 14:54:44
From: kii
ID: 2149494
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


Co-contribututing factors.
Relating to house design and domestic violence.
Whereby couples are the main contributors and the design problem is the co contributing factor.
No, I’m not an expert.
I think it’s needs discussion/research.
Nothing to do with tax.

Way back when I was studying early childhood stuff, I started a preliminary class as prep for doing honours or something. My area of research was how the physical environment directed behaviour and improved learning outcomes.
Then I quit uni and had a nervous breakdown thanks to my then partner who ridiculed me for failing to get full marks on assessments.
That was fun.

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Date: 30/04/2024 22:44:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2149867
Subject: re: today I learned

Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

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Date: 30/04/2024 23:02:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149868
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

you just learnt that?

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Date: 30/04/2024 23:14:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2149871
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

you just learnt that?

See for us it wasn’t today but the learning was that Brian May a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics is of Queen.

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Date: 30/04/2024 23:45:26
From: kii
ID: 2149874
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

What is the address of your rock?

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Date: 30/04/2024 23:53:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2149876
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

What is the address of your rock?

Their earliest works were influenced by progressive rock, hard rock, and heavy metal, but the band gradually ventured into more conventional and radio-friendly works by incorporating further styles, such as arena rock and pop rock.

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Date: 1/05/2024 01:25:51
From: kii
ID: 2149884
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

What is the address of your rock?

Their earliest works were influenced by progressive rock, hard rock, and heavy metal, but the band gradually ventured into more conventional and radio-friendly works by incorporating further styles, such as arena rock and pop rock.


Okay.

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Date: 1/05/2024 06:47:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2149897
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

What is the address of your rock?

Their earliest works were influenced by progressive rock, hard rock, and heavy metal, but the band gradually ventured into more conventional and radio-friendly works by incorporating further styles, such as arena rock and pop rock.

Okay.

It has also become a popular stadium anthem at sports events around the world, due mostly to its simple rhythm. On 7 October 2017, Queen released a Raw Sessions version of the track to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of News of the World. It features a radically different approach to the guitar solo and includes May’s count-in immediately prior to the recording.

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Date: 1/05/2024 07:16:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149909
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Brian May of Queen is a science nerd with a PhD in Astrophysics.

What is the address of your rock?

3rd rock from the Sun.

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Date: 1/05/2024 07:20:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149911
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

Their earliest works were influenced by progressive rock, hard rock, and heavy metal, but the band gradually ventured into more conventional and radio-friendly works by incorporating further styles, such as arena rock and pop rock.

Okay.

It has also become a popular stadium anthem at sports events around the world, due mostly to its simple rhythm. On 7 October 2017, Queen released a Raw Sessions version of the track to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the release of News of the World. It features a radically different approach to the guitar solo and includes May’s count-in immediately prior to the recording.

been talking to your mate Al?

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Date: 1/05/2024 08:33:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149949
Subject: re: today I learned

The Wizard of Oz…This is very interesting…🤔

The Straw Man represents that fictional ALL CAPS legal fiction —The PERSON. He wanted a brain but got a Certificate — The Birth Certificate.

The Tin Man — The TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number). He was a robotic avatar, who worked tirelessly until his body literally froze up & stopped functioning. The heartless & emotionless robot creature who worked himself to death because he had no heart or soul.

The Cowardly Lion was a bully, but was actually a true coward when someone stood up to him, like most bullies. He lacked true courage and in the end, the Wizard gave him an Official Recognition Award — Authority & Status.
The Wizard of Oz used magic, smoke, flames & holograms, but all of it were tricks & illusions to push fear & compliance to make people do what he commanded. The truth is the Wizard has NO real power & only used illusions to create false power & authority.

The Wicked Witch pushed fear through intimidation. She was after Toto and controlled the flying monkey police, the policy enforcers, the mischievous demons, which also represents the BAR Association who attack & control all the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the crooked Bankers of Oz, obsessed with gold.

In the field of poppies, they were not REAL humans, so drugs had no effect on them, but Dorothy was drugged.
The Wizard of Oz was written at the time when Rockefeller & the Big Pharma began to take over medicine & education.

The Crown was actually the largest drug dealer & after their take-over of drug distribution in China, they began to expand all around the world.

Toto was what the Wicked Witch was really after. Toto in Latin means “in total”. Toto exposed the Wizard of Oz and had no fear, despite being very small compared to the Great Wizard, so no one noticed him.

Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard & his magical scams.

‘Curtain’ also means the End of an Act or scene! He pulled the curtain & started barking until others paid attention, hypothetically giving everyone the “Red Pill”.
The curtain hid the corporate legal fiction & its false courts.

So, no matter how small your bark is, it can be heard!

Copied from Guy on X

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Date: 1/05/2024 08:43:43
From: Arts
ID: 2149951
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Wizard of Oz…This is very interesting…🤔

The Straw Man represents that fictional ALL CAPS legal fiction —The PERSON. He wanted a brain but got a Certificate — The Birth Certificate.

The Tin Man — The TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number). He was a robotic avatar, who worked tirelessly until his body literally froze up & stopped functioning. The heartless & emotionless robot creature who worked himself to death because he had no heart or soul.

The Cowardly Lion was a bully, but was actually a true coward when someone stood up to him, like most bullies. He lacked true courage and in the end, the Wizard gave him an Official Recognition Award — Authority & Status.
The Wizard of Oz used magic, smoke, flames & holograms, but all of it were tricks & illusions to push fear & compliance to make people do what he commanded. The truth is the Wizard has NO real power & only used illusions to create false power & authority.

The Wicked Witch pushed fear through intimidation. She was after Toto and controlled the flying monkey police, the policy enforcers, the mischievous demons, which also represents the BAR Association who attack & control all the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the crooked Bankers of Oz, obsessed with gold.

In the field of poppies, they were not REAL humans, so drugs had no effect on them, but Dorothy was drugged.
The Wizard of Oz was written at the time when Rockefeller & the Big Pharma began to take over medicine & education.

The Crown was actually the largest drug dealer & after their take-over of drug distribution in China, they began to expand all around the world.

Toto was what the Wicked Witch was really after. Toto in Latin means “in total”. Toto exposed the Wizard of Oz and had no fear, despite being very small compared to the Great Wizard, so no one noticed him.

Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard & his magical scams.

‘Curtain’ also means the End of an Act or scene! He pulled the curtain & started barking until others paid attention, hypothetically giving everyone the “Red Pill”.
The curtain hid the corporate legal fiction & its false courts.

So, no matter how small your bark is, it can be heard!

Copied from Guy on X

if a judge accepts an argument ‘en toto’ it means in its entirety, completely. Toto didn’t give the witch the power she wanted, the red shoes did… they should have called the red shoes Toto.

this feels like a retrospective stretch

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Date: 1/05/2024 08:49:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2149952
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


JudgeMental said:

The Wizard of Oz…This is very interesting…🤔

The Straw Man represents that fictional ALL CAPS legal fiction —The PERSON. He wanted a brain but got a Certificate — The Birth Certificate.

The Tin Man — The TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number). He was a robotic avatar, who worked tirelessly until his body literally froze up & stopped functioning. The heartless & emotionless robot creature who worked himself to death because he had no heart or soul.

The Cowardly Lion was a bully, but was actually a true coward when someone stood up to him, like most bullies. He lacked true courage and in the end, the Wizard gave him an Official Recognition Award — Authority & Status.
The Wizard of Oz used magic, smoke, flames & holograms, but all of it were tricks & illusions to push fear & compliance to make people do what he commanded. The truth is the Wizard has NO real power & only used illusions to create false power & authority.

The Wicked Witch pushed fear through intimidation. She was after Toto and controlled the flying monkey police, the policy enforcers, the mischievous demons, which also represents the BAR Association who attack & control all the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the crooked Bankers of Oz, obsessed with gold.

In the field of poppies, they were not REAL humans, so drugs had no effect on them, but Dorothy was drugged.
The Wizard of Oz was written at the time when Rockefeller & the Big Pharma began to take over medicine & education.

The Crown was actually the largest drug dealer & after their take-over of drug distribution in China, they began to expand all around the world.

Toto was what the Wicked Witch was really after. Toto in Latin means “in total”. Toto exposed the Wizard of Oz and had no fear, despite being very small compared to the Great Wizard, so no one noticed him.

Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard & his magical scams.

‘Curtain’ also means the End of an Act or scene! He pulled the curtain & started barking until others paid attention, hypothetically giving everyone the “Red Pill”.
The curtain hid the corporate legal fiction & its false courts.

So, no matter how small your bark is, it can be heard!

Copied from Guy on X

if a judge accepts an argument ‘en toto’ it means in its entirety, completely. Toto didn’t give the witch the power she wanted, the red shoes did… they should have called the red shoes Toto.

this feels like a retrospective stretch

yeah, I think it is all a stretch. It has the usual matrix and those unaware/asleep people vibe.

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Date: 1/05/2024 08:49:39
From: OCDC
ID: 2149953
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

The Wizard of Oz…This is very interesting…🤔

The Straw Man represents that fictional ALL CAPS legal fiction —The PERSON. He wanted a brain but got a Certificate — The Birth Certificate.

The Tin Man — The TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number). He was a robotic avatar, who worked tirelessly until his body literally froze up & stopped functioning. The heartless & emotionless robot creature who worked himself to death because he had no heart or soul.

The Cowardly Lion was a bully, but was actually a true coward when someone stood up to him, like most bullies. He lacked true courage and in the end, the Wizard gave him an Official Recognition Award — Authority & Status.
The Wizard of Oz used magic, smoke, flames & holograms, but all of it were tricks & illusions to push fear & compliance to make people do what he commanded. The truth is the Wizard has NO real power & only used illusions to create false power & authority.

The Wicked Witch pushed fear through intimidation. She was after Toto and controlled the flying monkey police, the policy enforcers, the mischievous demons, which also represents the BAR Association who attack & control all the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the crooked Bankers of Oz, obsessed with gold.

In the field of poppies, they were not REAL humans, so drugs had no effect on them, but Dorothy was drugged.
The Wizard of Oz was written at the time when Rockefeller & the Big Pharma began to take over medicine & education.

The Crown was actually the largest drug dealer & after their take-over of drug distribution in China, they began to expand all around the world.

Toto was what the Wicked Witch was really after. Toto in Latin means “in total”. Toto exposed the Wizard of Oz and had no fear, despite being very small compared to the Great Wizard, so no one noticed him.

Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard & his magical scams.

‘Curtain’ also means the End of an Act or scene! He pulled the curtain & started barking until others paid attention, hypothetically giving everyone the “Red Pill”.
The curtain hid the corporate legal fiction & its false courts.

So, no matter how small your bark is, it can be heard!

Copied from Guy on X

Sounds rather like a load of BS.

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Date: 1/05/2024 09:01:12
From: ruby
ID: 2149955
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Wizard of Oz…This is very interesting…🤔

The Straw Man represents that fictional ALL CAPS legal fiction —The PERSON. He wanted a brain but got a Certificate — The Birth Certificate.

The Tin Man — The TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number). He was a robotic avatar, who worked tirelessly until his body literally froze up & stopped functioning. The heartless & emotionless robot creature who worked himself to death because he had no heart or soul.

The Cowardly Lion was a bully, but was actually a true coward when someone stood up to him, like most bullies. He lacked true courage and in the end, the Wizard gave him an Official Recognition Award — Authority & Status.
The Wizard of Oz used magic, smoke, flames & holograms, but all of it were tricks & illusions to push fear & compliance to make people do what he commanded. The truth is the Wizard has NO real power & only used illusions to create false power & authority.

The Wicked Witch pushed fear through intimidation. She was after Toto and controlled the flying monkey police, the policy enforcers, the mischievous demons, which also represents the BAR Association who attack & control all the little people for the Great Crown Wizard, the crooked Bankers of Oz, obsessed with gold.

In the field of poppies, they were not REAL humans, so drugs had no effect on them, but Dorothy was drugged.
The Wizard of Oz was written at the time when Rockefeller & the Big Pharma began to take over medicine & education.

The Crown was actually the largest drug dealer & after their take-over of drug distribution in China, they began to expand all around the world.

Toto was what the Wicked Witch was really after. Toto in Latin means “in total”. Toto exposed the Wizard of Oz and had no fear, despite being very small compared to the Great Wizard, so no one noticed him.

Toto pulled the curtain on the Wizard & his magical scams.

‘Curtain’ also means the End of an Act or scene! He pulled the curtain & started barking until others paid attention, hypothetically giving everyone the “Red Pill”.
The curtain hid the corporate legal fiction & its false courts.

So, no matter how small your bark is, it can be heard!

Copied from Guy on X

Conspiracy theory 101. I hear this stuff every time I go to work and the woman there who follows this stuff tries to enlighten me. My last straw was Trump as a time traveller thanks to the information his uncle gleaned from Tesla’s missing papers. She tells me to research it, but she dislikes it when I do and am still not becoming a follower of their own versions of magical scams.

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Date: 2/05/2024 07:37:58
From: dv
ID: 2150339
Subject: re: today I learned

I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:16:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2150344
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

I’m glad I’m not the only ignoramus round here. :)

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:18:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2150345
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

I’m glad I’m not the only ignoramus round here. :)

Just gotta hope DV doesn’t die any time soon.

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:34:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2150346
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

Surprisingly, I already knew that.

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:35:49
From: kii
ID: 2150348
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

Surprisingly, I already knew that.

Same.

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:37:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2150349
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

You mean Archibald Leach?

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Date: 2/05/2024 08:42:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2150354
Subject: re: today I learned

Actually, Bob Hope was English, too.

At least he was born in London to English parents.

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Date: 2/05/2024 09:37:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2150355
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

Surprisingly, I already knew that.

Same.

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Date: 2/05/2024 09:40:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2150356
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Actually, Bob Hope was English, too.

At least he was born in London to English parents.

He wasn’t one of the chaps though, it wouldn’t do having a vaudeville man one of the chaps, wouldn’t do at all.

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Date: 2/05/2024 09:54:12
From: Michael V
ID: 2150359
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Actually, Bob Hope was English, too.

At least he was born in London to English parents.

That I did not know, so TIL

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Date: 2/05/2024 10:12:32
From: Ian
ID: 2150366
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

Surprisingly, I already knew that.

I knew that.. at some some instant…

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Date: 2/05/2024 10:48:47
From: Arts
ID: 2150376
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I think I was completely unaware that Cary Grant was English rather than American.

While I was watching House I forgot that Hugh Lawrie was not American.. stupid fine actors

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Date: 2/05/2024 11:44:35
From: dv
ID: 2150393
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

Just gotta hope DV doesn’t die any time soon.

What a nice thing to say!

See how easy it is to say something nice, OCDC?

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Date: 2/05/2024 11:46:16
From: OCDC
ID: 2150394
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

JudgeMental said:
Just gotta hope DV doesn’t die any time soon.
What a nice thing to say!

See how easy it is to say something nice, OCDC?

My religion forbids it.

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Date: 2/05/2024 11:48:04
From: kii
ID: 2150395
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Just gotta hope DV doesn’t die any time soon.
What a nice thing to say!

See how easy it is to say something nice, OCDC?

My religion forbids it.

Don’t give up the good fight!!

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Date: 2/05/2024 12:51:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2150415
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

dv said:

JudgeMental said:
Just gotta hope DV doesn’t die any time soon.
What a nice thing to say!

See how easy it is to say something nice, OCDC?

My religion forbids it.

In the interests of euphemistic balance we prefer the backhand complement.

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Date: 3/05/2024 18:17:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2150640
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 4/05/2024 04:25:51
From: Ogmog
ID: 2150760
Subject: re: today I learned

.

The Prisoner
In My Mind
Full Documentary

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Date: 4/05/2024 09:46:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2150837
Subject: re: today I learned

That Ironman Australia Triathlon is the hardest one day event, in the world.
or at least that’s what Justin said.

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Date: 4/05/2024 09:47:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2150838
Subject: re: today I learned

But this is way more cool.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-04/acoustic-science-uses-coral-reef-sounds-to-help-regrowth/103790302

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Date: 4/05/2024 09:50:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2150839
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

But this is way more cool.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-04/acoustic-science-uses-coral-reef-sounds-to-help-regrowth/103790302

If A causes B then all we need to do is to make more B and then we get A¿

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Date: 4/05/2024 09:50:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2150840
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

But this is way more cool.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-04/acoustic-science-uses-coral-reef-sounds-to-help-regrowth/103790302

If A causes B then all we need to do is to make more B and then we get A¿

:)

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Date: 5/05/2024 22:52:36
From: Kingy
ID: 2151482
Subject: re: today I learned

That Mercedes Benz are trialling a 1 megawatt charging cable for their trucks.

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Date: 5/05/2024 22:59:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2151483
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


That Mercedes Benz are trialling a 1 megawatt charging cable for their trucks.

Are ‘lowered’ trucks cooler than normal trucks?

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Date: 5/05/2024 23:38:51
From: Kingy
ID: 2151485
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Kingy said:

That Mercedes Benz are trialling a 1 megawatt charging cable for their trucks.

Are ‘lowered’ trucks cooler than normal trucks?

If the truck never has to leave a level paved surface, then you get less wind resistance/drag with lower “skirts”.

A one trick pony, or pavement princess. Quite uncool.

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:45:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151571
Subject: re: today I learned

Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:55:52
From: Ian
ID: 2151578
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

There are few buildings where Trump just has naming rights. Some places want his name removed.

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:55:52
From: Ian
ID: 2151579
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

There are few buildings where Trump just has naming rights. Some places want his name removed.

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:55:52
From: Ian
ID: 2151580
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

There are few buildings where Trump just has naming rights. Some places want his name removed.

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:57:31
From: Ian
ID: 2151581
Subject: re: today I learned

Stoopid forum/interweb

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Date: 6/05/2024 08:59:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151583
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Stoopid forum/interweb

What I tell you three times is true.

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Date: 6/05/2024 09:04:08
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2151585
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Ian said:

Stoopid forum/interweb

What I tell you three times is true.

You need to post that two more times otherwise i won’t believe you!

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Date: 6/05/2024 09:38:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2151594
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

Naming rights. Something that can be contracted for/sold separately. Look around Australian capital cities. A lot of the names of firms that appear on tall buildings are not the name of the outfit that actually owns the building.

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Date: 6/05/2024 09:46:14
From: Tamb
ID: 2151601
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

Naming rights. Something that can be contracted for/sold separately. Look around Australian capital cities. A lot of the names of firms that appear on tall buildings are not the name of the outfit that actually owns the building.

Sporting venues are the same.

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Date: 6/05/2024 09:57:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2151605
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL about a synthetic bacterium. Well, a couple of days ago, really.

“Mycoplasma laboratorium or Synthia refers to a synthetic strain of bacterium.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium

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Date: 6/05/2024 10:39:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2151626
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

Naming rights. Something that can be contracted for/sold separately. Look around Australian capital cities. A lot of the names of firms that appear on tall buildings are not the name of the outfit that actually owns the building.

Stadiums, teams, equipment, partners… turns out that names are just names¡

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Date: 6/05/2024 10:50:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2151634
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

I’m pretty sure he owns the penthouse – because he’s used it to leverage other financial deals… that was one of the whole things about the fraud trial…

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:24:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2151645
Subject: re: today I learned

Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:30:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151652
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

Alexander Beetle

I’d forgotten about that one.

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:37:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151654
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

Alexander Beetle

I’d forgotten about that one.

This one is better:

Alexander Beetle, live

I love the bored expression on the pianist’s face :)

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:51:00
From: dv
ID: 2151662
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL about a synthetic bacterium. Well, a couple of days ago, really.

“Mycoplasma laboratorium or Synthia refers to a synthetic strain of bacterium.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium

Back in The Old Place one of my tags was Spiegelman’s Monster. This referred to a bacteriophage that had been stripped down to its minimum viable size.

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:56:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2151665
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

I knew that.

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:57:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2151669
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

I knew that.

you’re learned though.

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Date: 6/05/2024 11:59:47
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2151672
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Melanie’s song Alexander beetle is originally a poem by A A Milne

I knew that.

you’re learned though.

why is “learned” in this context pronounced differently to “learned”, when you learn something?

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Date: 6/05/2024 12:04:18
From: dv
ID: 2151678
Subject: re: today I learned

diddly-squat said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Trump doesn’t actually own Trump Tower. He just rents it.

I’m pretty sure he owns the penthouse – because he’s used it to leverage other financial deals… that was one of the whole things about the fraud trial…

My understanding is that he owns some units in penthouse and also the common areas such as the lobby.

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Date: 6/05/2024 12:07:04
From: Michael V
ID: 2151679
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I knew that.

you’re learned though.

why is “learned” in this context pronounced differently to “learned”, when you learn something?

Dunno.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:09:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151916
Subject: re: today I learned

Excel has a SEQUENCE function, that will generate a sequence.

It also has a fill-series command that will do the same thing, but with fixed values, rather than generating an array formula.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:11:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2151917
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Excel has a SEQUENCE function, that will generate a sequence.

It also has a fill-series command that will do the same thing, but with fixed values, rather than generating an array formula.

NERD ALERT!

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:18:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151920
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Excel has a SEQUENCE function, that will generate a sequence.

It also has a fill-series command that will do the same thing, but with fixed values, rather than generating an array formula.

NERD ALERT!

If I was a proper nerd I would have known all that years ago.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:20:14
From: Tamb
ID: 2151922
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Excel has a SEQUENCE function, that will generate a sequence.

It also has a fill-series command that will do the same thing, but with fixed values, rather than generating an array formula.

NERD ALERT!

If I was a proper nerd I would have known all that years ago.


I think I did know that years ago but it’s all gone now.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:22:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2151923
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

NERD ALERT!

If I was a proper nerd I would have known all that years ago.


I think I did know that years ago but it’s all gone now.

Just checked, it was only introduced in 2020, so I’m not all that out of date.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:25:40
From: Tamb
ID: 2151924
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I was a proper nerd I would have known all that years ago.


I think I did know that years ago but it’s all gone now.

Just checked, it was only introduced in 2020, so I’m not all that out of date.


Thanks Rev. I was thinking of something else entirely.

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Date: 7/05/2024 10:28:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2151925
Subject: re: today I learned

Last night I listened to BBC Hard Talk it was about social media and the younger generation.
It was quite interesting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct5szg

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Date: 8/05/2024 12:09:25
From: dv
ID: 2152281
Subject: re: today I learned

I was unaware of Newton’s contribution to phonetics.

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Date: 8/05/2024 12:15:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2152288
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I was unaware of Newton’s contribution to phonetics.

Huh!

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Date: 8/05/2024 14:41:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152320
Subject: re: today I learned

Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.

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Date: 8/05/2024 14:57:45
From: Tamb
ID: 2152328
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.


A worthy adversary was the German Fokker Dr.I (Dreidecker, “triplane” )

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Date: 8/05/2024 15:00:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152331
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.


A worthy adversary was the German Fokker Dr.I (Dreidecker, “triplane” )

Yes, I meant to say “most effective allied fighter”.

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Date: 8/05/2024 15:12:32
From: Tamb
ID: 2152338
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.


A worthy adversary was the German Fokker Dr.I (Dreidecker, “triplane” )

Yes, I meant to say “most effective allied fighter”.


The Brits had McCudden, Mannock and Ball. The Germans had Manfred VON RICHTHOFEN and quite a few others.

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Date: 8/05/2024 16:16:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2152350
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Bubblecar said:

Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.


A worthy adversary was the German Fokker Dr.I (Dreidecker, “triplane” )

The German triplane was actually inspired by Sopwith’s slightly earlier triplane, which was used mostly by RNAS sqaudrons.

The Sopwith Camel was particularly noted for its huge amount of right-hand torque, induced by its rotary engine. For a novice pilot, this could make it quite a handful to master, and a lot of British/Allied pilots were killed by it. However, a skilled pilot could make good use of the torque, able to execute right-hand rolls which few aircraft could hope to match.

Another problem was that it used castor oil for lubrication, and it threw the oil out in large amounts, a lot of which could be copped by the pilot. Camel pilots alimentary systems suffered the predictable effects.

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Date: 9/05/2024 08:45:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2152449
Subject: re: today I learned

OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

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Date: 9/05/2024 08:55:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2152450
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

Like Jacob Collier, I play by ear, even though I’ve only got one.

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Date: 9/05/2024 09:42:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2152459
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

Thomas Sopwith, aviation pioneer and founder of the legendary Sopwith Aviation Company and its successor, Hawker Siddeley, lived to the age of 101, dying in 1989, having retired just 9 years earlier at the age of 92.

Lower picture shows a Sopwith Camel, the most effective fighter plane of WW1.


A worthy adversary was the German Fokker Dr.I (Dreidecker, “triplane” )

The German triplane was actually inspired by Sopwith’s slightly earlier triplane, which was used mostly by RNAS sqaudrons.

The Sopwith Camel was particularly noted for its huge amount of right-hand torque, induced by its rotary engine. For a novice pilot, this could make it quite a handful to master, and a lot of British/Allied pilots were killed by it. However, a skilled pilot could make good use of the torque, able to execute right-hand rolls which few aircraft could hope to match.

Another problem was that it used castor oil for lubrication, and it threw the oil out in large amounts, a lot of which could be copped by the pilot. Camel pilots alimentary systems suffered the predictable effects.

But, but, the wonderful smell of vaporised caster oil.

:)

Castrol is short for caster oil.

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Date: 9/05/2024 09:42:54
From: Ian
ID: 2152460
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

It’s all rather confusing to me on a guitar because if you’re going to play the full six strings you’ve got to find the root note somewhere near your E bottom string or else play an inversion.. C/E in your example.
Nah.. easier to see what’s happening with a keyboard.

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Date: 9/05/2024 09:47:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2152461
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

It’s all rather confusing to me on a guitar because if you’re going to play the full six strings you’ve got to find the root note somewhere near your E bottom string or else play an inversion.. C/E in your example.
Nah.. easier to see what’s happening with a keyboard.

:) It is.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:12:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152470
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

This stuff is really all very basic and I’m not sure why a fine engineer like Rev found the arithmetic challenging :)

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:13:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2152472
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

This stuff is really all very basic and I’m not sure why a fine engineer like Rev found the arithmetic challenging :)

Maybe he didn’t apply mathematics?

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:15:28
From: Ian
ID: 2152474
Subject: re: today I learned

I’ve worked with guitarists who would play some jazzy extended chord and when asked what chord it was would have a battle trying to figure out the actual notes they were playing. Then I would nominate it to be, out of several possibilities, one that made sense to me.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:31:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2152496
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

This stuff is really all very basic and I’m not sure why a fine engineer like Rev found the arithmetic challenging :)

The arithmetic is not a problem. More the terminology and all the arbitrary conventions.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:34:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152498
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, I’m sure I’ve read this stuff before, but for some reason music theory travels between my ears at faster than the speed of light, and I thought this was a nice clear explanation.

In spite of the source (Quora).

What is the logic behind the creation of chords on the guitar? Why is a C chord a C chord, an A chord an A chord, etc?
To understand the answer to this question, you need to understand that guitar chords aren’t simply places you put your fingers with arbitrary names. They are combinations of specific notes that adhere to rules that are universal to western music. No matter the instrument, chords are chords. They are constructed of the same notes by the same musical rules. All that differs is the way they are played on any particular instrument.

The formulas for constructing chords are based around scales. For instance, to construct a major chord, you take the first, third, and fifth notes in a major scale. To turn that into a minor chord, you flat the 3rd note. Every chord has a formula, and these are widely available on the web if you’re interested in delving deeper: https://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm The point that’s pertinant to forming chords on guitar is that every chord conforms to these universal rules. Since a guitar has 6 strings, and some chords only have 3 notes, it’s sometimes necessary to play the same note more than once. It’s also sometimes necessary to mute or not strum certain notes that aren’t part of the chord formula. (An example is the D chord in which the 6th string isn’t played)

Why is a C chord called a C chord on guitar? Because according to the musical rules, a C chord is the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C major scale…C, E and G. If you analyse the notes when you finger an ‘open C’ chord, from bass to treble they are E C E G C E. Some of the notes appear multiple times, but there are no other notes except C, E, and G. Now here’s the cool thing: anyplace on the fretboard that you can combine those 3 notes, you’ll have a C chord!

The same holds true for all the other chords. Luckily, as guitarists, we don’t have to memorize every note we’re playing to form chords. We simply need to memorize some basic chord shapes and slap a name to them. But it’s good to know that there is some logic behind it.

This stuff is really all very basic and I’m not sure why a fine engineer like Rev found the arithmetic challenging :)

The arithmetic is not a problem. More the terminology and all the arbitrary conventions.

Fair enough, although as that person points out, most of the conventions aren’t really arbitrary.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:48:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2152505
Subject: re: today I learned

Almost All Conventions Are Arbitrary

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:52:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2152510
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Almost All Conventions Are Arbitrary

Some are more arbitrary than others though :)

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:52:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152511
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Almost All Conventions Are Arbitrary

…until you take the time to understand them.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:55:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2152514
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Almost All Conventions Are Arbitrary

Some are more arbitrary than others though :)

…until you take the time to understand them.

Ask us how we know

.

..

and we’ll tell you that it’s exactly because we took the time to understand them.

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Date: 9/05/2024 10:57:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152516
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Some are more arbitrary than others though :)

…until you take the time to understand them.

Ask us how we know

.

..

and we’ll tell you that it’s exactly because we took the time to understand them.

Colour me unimpressed :)

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:37:09
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2152543
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:38:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2152545
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



Moses was Hulk Hogan?

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:39:24
From: dv
ID: 2152547
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



Rofl

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:39:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2152548
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



It’s………….It’s Hulk Hogan.

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:40:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2152549
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



It’s Hulk Hogan.

No, This is Not a 3D Recreation of What Moses Might Have Looked Like

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/3d-recreation-moses-hulk-hogan/

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:41:12
From: Tamb
ID: 2152551
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:




Looks like Hulk Hogan.

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:42:21
From: Tamb
ID: 2152554
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bogsnorkler said:


Moses was Hulk Hogan?


Beat me by that much > <

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:43:35
From: dv
ID: 2152557
Subject: re: today I learned

Hi, am I in the right room to hear six people explain the joke?

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Date: 9/05/2024 11:49:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2152562
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hi, am I in the right room to hear six people explain the joke?

If there are six people here then maybe.

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Date: 9/05/2024 13:49:36
From: Arts
ID: 2152609
Subject: re: today I learned

Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

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Date: 9/05/2024 13:50:40
From: dv
ID: 2152611
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

Probably one of those sovereign citizen nuts

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Date: 9/05/2024 13:51:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2152612
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

Or any formal qualifications in aeronautical engineering.

How those brothers stayed out of prison is a mystery.

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Date: 9/05/2024 13:55:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2152614
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:

Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

Or any formal qualifications in aeronautical engineering.

How those brothers stayed out of prison is a mystery.

So Wilbur did have a licence?

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Date: 9/05/2024 13:58:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2152615
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

Or any formal qualifications in aeronautical engineering.

How those brothers stayed out of prison is a mystery.

So Wilbur did have a licence?

Is this like the coin with 443 BC on it again,

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Date: 9/05/2024 14:10:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2152619
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

LOL

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Date: 9/05/2024 15:12:49
From: dv
ID: 2152626
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

Arts said:

Orville Wright did not have a pilot’s licence

Or any formal qualifications in aeronautical engineering.

How those brothers stayed out of prison is a mystery.

So Wilbur did have a licence?

Buzz Killington: “Do any of you know the tale of how cornmeal came to be? Neither did the miller when he left his house that morning.”

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Date: 9/05/2024 16:15:34
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2152655
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_art

Link

Chip art, also known as silicon art, chip graffiti or silicon doodling, refers to microscopic artwork built into integrated circuits, also called chips or ICs. Since ICs are printed by photolithography, not constructed a component at a time, there is no additional cost to include features in otherwise unused space on the chip. Designers have used this freedom to put all sorts of artwork on the chips themselves, from designers’ simple initials to rather complex drawings. Given the small size of chips, these figures cannot be seen without a microscope. Chip graffiti is sometimes called the hardware version of software easter eggs.

Prior to 1984, these doodles also served a practical purpose. If a competitor produced a similar chip, and examination showed it contained the same doodles, then this was strong evidence that the design was copied (a copyright violation) and not independently derived. A 1984 revision of the US copyright law (the Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984) made all chip masks automatically copyrighted, with exclusive rights to the creator, and similar rules apply in most other countries that manufacture ICs. Since an exact copy is now automatically a copyright violation, the doodles serve no useful purpose.

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Date: 9/05/2024 20:38:05
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2152738
Subject: re: today I learned

Bayswater, in Perth, was the site of one of two International Latitude Stations in the southern hemisphere.

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Date: 9/05/2024 20:41:00
From: party_pants
ID: 2152739
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Bayswater, in Perth, was the site of one of two International Latitude Stations in the southern hemisphere.

Why is it no longer? Did it get vandalised by wayward youths?

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Date: 9/05/2024 20:49:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2152740
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Bayswater, in Perth, was the site of one of two International Latitude Stations in the southern hemisphere.

Why is it no longer? Did it get vandalised by wayward youths?

https://bayswaterhistoricalsociety.org.au/the-hidden-history-of-bayswater-international-latitude-station/

Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Latitude_Service

Link

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Date: 11/05/2024 09:31:34
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153114
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/PhysicsPlusAstronomy/videos/1158379601867571

Link

GR for babies

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Date: 11/05/2024 16:53:03
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153315
Subject: re: today I learned

That the song John Brown’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave is about a real person. Never had heard it all before and I think it was something from childhood.

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Date: 11/05/2024 17:04:48
From: Michael V
ID: 2153321
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


That the song John Brown’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave is about a real person. Never had heard it all before and I think it was something from childhood.

Huh!

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Date: 11/05/2024 17:07:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2153323
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


That the song John Brown’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave is about a real person. Never had heard it all before and I think it was something from childhood.

American fanatic. Tried storming a Federal installation, got nicked, paid the judicial penalty.

Sound familiar?

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Date: 11/05/2024 17:08:09
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153325
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

That the song John Brown’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave is about a real person. Never had heard it all before and I think it was something from childhood.

Huh!

John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was a prominent leader in the American abolitionist movement in the decades preceding the Civil War. First reaching national prominence in the 1850s for his radical abolitionism and fighting in Bleeding Kansas, Brown was captured, tried, and executed by the Commonwealth of Virginia for a raid and incitement of a slave rebellion at Harpers Ferry in 1859.

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Date: 11/05/2024 17:10:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2153327
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bogsnorkler said:

That the song John Brown’s body lies a-molderin’ in the grave is about a real person. Never had heard it all before and I think it was something from childhood.

American fanatic. Tried storming a Federal installation, got nicked, paid the judicial penalty.

Sound familiar?

OTOH he was at least fighting slavery.

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Date: 11/05/2024 19:23:34
From: dv
ID: 2153409
Subject: re: today I learned
Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures.

Well I didn’t learn that today, but today I did learn that the oldest surviving recorded text of a flyting is that of Dunbar and Kennedy (~1500), in James IV’s court..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flyting_of_Dumbar_and_Kennedie

Original Middle Scots text
https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/display/10.1093/actrade/9780198118886.book.1/actrade-9780198118886-div1-24

With modernised spelling
http://www.clanstrachan.org/history/Flyting_of_Dunbar_and_Kennedy.pdf

“Erse bryber bard, vile beggar with thy brats,
50 Cuntbitten crawdon Kennedy, coward of kind,
Ill-fared and dried as Danesman on the ratts,
Like as the gledds had on thy gules snout dined,
Mismade monster, each moon out of thy mind,
Renounce, ribald, thy rhyming, thou but roys.
Thy treacher tongue has ta’en a Highland strynd
A Lowland arse would make a better noise.
“Revin ragged rook, and full of ribaldry,
Scuttering scorpion, scauld in scurrility,
I see the haughtein in thy harlotry haughtiness
60 And into other science nothing slie,
Of every virtue void, as men may see.
Quitclaim clergy and cleik to thee a club,
A bard blasphemer in brybery ay to be,
For wit and wisdom a wisp from thee may rub.
“Ere thou durst move thy mind malicious,
90 Thou sawst the sail above my head up draw.
But Aeolus, full wod, and Neptunus,
Mirk and moonless met us with wind and waw,
And many hundred miles hence could us blow,
By Holland, Zealand, Jutland, and Norway coast,
In sea desert where we were famished aw.
Yet came I home, false bard, to lay thy boast.
“Thou callst thee rhetor with thy golden lips.
Nay, glowering gaping fool, thou art beguiled.
Thou art but gluntoch, with thy giltin hips, That for thy lounry many a leisch has fyld.
Wan-visaged widdefow, out of thy wit gone wild,
Loathly and lousy, as lathand as a leek,
Since thou with worship would so fain be styled:
Hail, sovereign senyeour, thy balls hang through thy breek.

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Date: 11/05/2024 19:53:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2153417
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures.

Well I didn’t learn that today, but today I did learn that the oldest surviving recorded text of a flyting is that of Dunbar and Kennedy (~1500), in James IV’s court..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flyting_of_Dumbar_and_Kennedie

Original Middle Scots text
https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/display/10.1093/actrade/9780198118886.book.1/actrade-9780198118886-div1-24

With modernised spelling
http://www.clanstrachan.org/history/Flyting_of_Dunbar_and_Kennedy.pdf

“Erse bryber bard, vile beggar with thy brats,
50 Cuntbitten crawdon Kennedy, coward of kind,
Ill-fared and dried as Danesman on the ratts,
Like as the gledds had on thy gules snout dined,
Mismade monster, each moon out of thy mind,
Renounce, ribald, thy rhyming, thou but roys.
Thy treacher tongue has ta’en a Highland strynd
A Lowland arse would make a better noise.
“Revin ragged rook, and full of ribaldry,
Scuttering scorpion, scauld in scurrility,
I see the haughtein in thy harlotry haughtiness
60 And into other science nothing slie,
Of every virtue void, as men may see.
Quitclaim clergy and cleik to thee a club,
A bard blasphemer in brybery ay to be,
For wit and wisdom a wisp from thee may rub.
“Ere thou durst move thy mind malicious,
90 Thou sawst the sail above my head up draw.
But Aeolus, full wod, and Neptunus,
Mirk and moonless met us with wind and waw,
And many hundred miles hence could us blow,
By Holland, Zealand, Jutland, and Norway coast,
In sea desert where we were famished aw.
Yet came I home, false bard, to lay thy boast.
“Thou callst thee rhetor with thy golden lips.
Nay, glowering gaping fool, thou art beguiled.
Thou art but gluntoch, with thy giltin hips, That for thy lounry many a leisch has fyld.
Wan-visaged widdefow, out of thy wit gone wild,
Loathly and lousy, as lathand as a leek,
Since thou with worship would so fain be styled:
Hail, sovereign senyeour, thy balls hang through thy breek.

I’ll say..

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Date: 11/05/2024 20:42:26
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2153426
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that there is more than one type of passion-fruit. To decorate a pavlova for tomorrow I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning? What a dilemma…

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Date: 11/05/2024 20:43:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2153428
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


TIL that there is more than one type of passion-fruit. To decorate a pavlova for tomorrow I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning? What a dilemma…

Thoughts and prayers.

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Date: 11/05/2024 20:45:25
From: ruby
ID: 2153429
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning?

Yes. No.

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Date: 11/05/2024 20:51:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2153431
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning?

Yes. No.

Ta.

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Date: 11/05/2024 20:56:54
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153432
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


TIL that there is more than one type of passion-fruit. To decorate a pavlova for tomorrow I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning? What a dilemma…

Haven’t had a pav in years. I guess now my sugar levels are back to normal a piece wouldn’t do any harm

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Date: 11/05/2024 21:23:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2153435
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

TIL that there is more than one type of passion-fruit. To decorate a pavlova for tomorrow I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning? What a dilemma…

Haven’t had a pav in years. I guess now my sugar levels are back to normal a piece wouldn’t do any harm

Is this the same look there’s no measles so MMR autism should be banned thinking¿

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Date: 11/05/2024 21:26:38
From: buffy
ID: 2153436
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

TIL that there is more than one type of passion-fruit. To decorate a pavlova for tomorrow I accidentally bought Panama passion-fruit. Will their pulp taste like normal passion-fruit? Will I go back to Coles and exchange them in the morning? What a dilemma…

Haven’t had a pav in years. I guess now my sugar levels are back to normal a piece wouldn’t do any harm

I’ve only ever had black passionfruit, never heard of Panama. Looks like there is some “discussion” about the Panama one, whether it’s a variety or a hybrid.

Some information here

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Date: 12/05/2024 07:14:44
From: esselte
ID: 2153471
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures.

Well I didn’t learn that today, but today I did learn that the oldest surviving recorded text of a flyting is that of Dunbar and Kennedy (~1500), in James IV’s court..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flyting_of_Dumbar_and_Kennedie

Original Middle Scots text
https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/display/10.1093/actrade/9780198118886.book.1/actrade-9780198118886-div1-24

With modernised spelling
http://www.clanstrachan.org/history/Flyting_of_Dunbar_and_Kennedy.pdf

“Erse bryber bard, vile beggar with thy brats,
50 Cuntbitten crawdon Kennedy, coward of kind,
Ill-fared and dried as Danesman on the ratts,
Like as the gledds had on thy gules snout dined,
Mismade monster, each moon out of thy mind,
Renounce, ribald, thy rhyming, thou but roys.
Thy treacher tongue has ta’en a Highland strynd
A Lowland arse would make a better noise.
“Revin ragged rook, and full of ribaldry,
Scuttering scorpion, scauld in scurrility,
I see the haughtein in thy harlotry haughtiness
60 And into other science nothing slie,
Of every virtue void, as men may see.
Quitclaim clergy and cleik to thee a club,
A bard blasphemer in brybery ay to be,
For wit and wisdom a wisp from thee may rub.
“Ere thou durst move thy mind malicious,
90 Thou sawst the sail above my head up draw.
But Aeolus, full wod, and Neptunus,
Mirk and moonless met us with wind and waw,
And many hundred miles hence could us blow,
By Holland, Zealand, Jutland, and Norway coast,
In sea desert where we were famished aw.
Yet came I home, false bard, to lay thy boast.
“Thou callst thee rhetor with thy golden lips.
Nay, glowering gaping fool, thou art beguiled.
Thou art but gluntoch, with thy giltin hips, That for thy lounry many a leisch has fyld.
Wan-visaged widdefow, out of thy wit gone wild,
Loathly and lousy, as lathand as a leek,
Since thou with worship would so fain be styled:
Hail, sovereign senyeour, thy balls hang through thy breek.

Yo yo yo – sickest burns since B-Rabbit v Papa Doc dawg!

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Date: 12/05/2024 08:35:07
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153480
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/100006843614951/videos/747921777211223

Link

Normal 3.

AI music video.

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Date: 12/05/2024 10:15:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2153497
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.facebook.com/100006843614951/videos/747921777211223

Link

Normal 3.

AI music video.

I cannot imagine what kind of prompts you’d have to feed the AI to come up with that sort of stuff.

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Date: 13/05/2024 13:21:18
From: dv
ID: 2153838
Subject: re: today I learned

The Night of the Hunter is a 1955 American film noir thriller directed by Charles Laughton and starring Robert Mitchum, Shelley Winters and Lillian Gish. The screenplay by James Agee was based on the 1953 novel of the same name by Davis Grubb. The plot involves a serial killer (Mitchum) who poses as a preacher and pursues two children in an attempt to get his hands on $10,000 of stolen cash hidden by their late father.

The novel and film draw on the true story of Harry Powers, who was hanged in 1932 for the murder of two widows and three children in Clarksburg, West Virginia. The film’s lyrical and expressionistic style, borrowing techniques from silent film, sets it apart from other Hollywood films of the 1940s and 1950s, and it has influenced such later directors as Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Robert Altman, Spike Lee, Martin Scorsese, the Coen brothers and Guillermo del Toro.

Despite receiving negative reviews upon its original release, it has been positively re-evaluated in later decades and is now considered one of the greatest films ever made. It was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1992. The influential French film magazine Cahiers du Cinéma selected The Night of the Hunter in 2008 as the second-best film of all time, behind Citizen Kane. The negative reaction to its premiere made it Charles Laughton’s only feature film as director.

—-

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Date: 13/05/2024 13:25:52
From: kii
ID: 2153843
Subject: re: today I learned

West by God Virginia.

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Date: 14/05/2024 16:40:57
From: Arts
ID: 2154171
Subject: re: today I learned

today I learned about ‘lacking’. the social media trend of filming yourself committing violent offences against another (usually teenagers against other teenagers).

so .. now you know

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Date: 14/05/2024 17:41:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154185
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


today I learned about ‘lacking’. the social media trend of filming yourself committing violent offences against another (usually teenagers against other teenagers).

so .. now you know

I did not wish to know that.

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Date: 14/05/2024 20:56:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2154256
Subject: re: today I learned

Two Oceans Creek is a waterway in North America that flows into both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.
It’s the only one that does that.

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Date: 15/05/2024 05:20:33
From: dv
ID: 2154310
Subject: re: today I learned

Pepsi was named for its supposed ability to fix dyspepsia.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:37:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154697
Subject: re: today I learned

England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:40:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2154698
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

They obviously share it?

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:43:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2154701
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

They obviously share it?

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:45:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2154703
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

No Dali to bump into pylons.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:46:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2154704
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

They obviously share it?

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:47:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154705
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

England has the oldest suspension bridge still carrying road traffic, and so does Scotland.

They obviously share it?

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


The very one.

For some reason the Menai Straights Bridge, of a similar age, gets all the attention.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:48:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2154706
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

They obviously share it?

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Also it doesn’t appear to be the longest.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:48:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2154707
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

They obviously share it?

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Foot traffic.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:49:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154709
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Also it doesn’t appear to be the longest.

It was the longest suspension bridge in the World when it opened.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:52:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154710
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Aye, this fella. Union chain bridge across the Tweed.


Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Foot traffic.

The Bingbot says:
“The Union Chain Bridge is now fully refurbished and open for pedestrians, cyclists, and to traffic.”

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:55:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2154713
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Foot traffic.

The Bingbot says:
“The Union Chain Bridge is now fully refurbished and open for pedestrians, cyclists, and to traffic.”

There appears to be no road at one end of it.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:58:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154714
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Foot traffic.

The Bingbot says:
“The Union Chain Bridge is now fully refurbished and open for pedestrians, cyclists, and to traffic.”

There appears to be no road at one end of it.

Looks like it diverges either side of the tower supporting the chains. An unusual arrangement, to be sure.

A good way to keep the B-Doubles off though.

That and not having B-Doubles in the UK.

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Date: 16/05/2024 09:58:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2154715
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Foot traffic.

The Bingbot says:
“The Union Chain Bridge is now fully refurbished and open for pedestrians, cyclists, and to traffic.”

There appears to be no road at one end of it.

I think that it splits into a Y at the far end, which suggests that it’s not for motor traffic, but for foot and cycle traffic.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:00:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2154716
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Bingbot says:
“The Union Chain Bridge is now fully refurbished and open for pedestrians, cyclists, and to traffic.”

There appears to be no road at one end of it.

Looks like it diverges either side of the tower supporting the chains. An unusual arrangement, to be sure.

A good way to keep the B-Doubles off though.

That and not having B-Doubles in the UK.

Hey, Australia is renowned for trucks trying to pass under bridges and awnings that aren’t high enough for them.

What makes you think that a little thing like a stone wall, and paths that are obviously too narrow, would discourage an Australian truckie for even a moment?

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:01:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2154717
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Doesn’t appear to carry a high traffic load. Might be why it’s still in use.

Also it doesn’t appear to be the longest.

It was the longest suspension bridge in the World when it opened.

No doubt.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:01:37
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2154718
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:02:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2154719
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Also it doesn’t appear to be the longest.

It was the longest suspension bridge in the World when it opened.

No doubt.

It was certainly the newest.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:03:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2154720
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There appears to be no road at one end of it.

Looks like it diverges either side of the tower supporting the chains. An unusual arrangement, to be sure.

A good way to keep the B-Doubles off though.

That and not having B-Doubles in the UK.

Hey, Australia is renowned for trucks trying to pass under bridges and awnings that aren’t high enough for them.

What makes you think that a little thing like a stone wall, and paths that are obviously too narrow, would discourage an Australian truckie for even a moment?

You may have a point there.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:06:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154721
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Looks like it diverges either side of the tower supporting the chains. An unusual arrangement, to be sure.

A good way to keep the B-Doubles off though.

That and not having B-Doubles in the UK.

Hey, Australia is renowned for trucks trying to pass under bridges and awnings that aren’t high enough for them.

What makes you think that a little thing like a stone wall, and paths that are obviously too narrow, would discourage an Australian truckie for even a moment?

You may have a point there.

Google pic of the English end:

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:10:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154724
Subject: re: today I learned

The Merkins have the oldest highway suspension bridge, now closed to road traffic, presumably:

The first iron chain suspension bridge in the Western world was the Jacob’s Creek Bridge (1801) in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, designed by inventor James Finley. Finley’s bridge was the first to incorporate all of the necessary components of a modern suspension bridge, including a suspended deck which hung by trusses.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:15:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2154726
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Hey, Australia is renowned for trucks trying to pass under bridges and awnings that aren’t high enough for them.

What makes you think that a little thing like a stone wall, and paths that are obviously too narrow, would discourage an Australian truckie for even a moment?

You may have a point there.

Google pic of the English end:

Do you think we can get the b-double through there Bruce?
Bruce: It’ll be tight but it should be alright.

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Date: 16/05/2024 10:46:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2154740
Subject: re: today I learned

I now know that after brewing beer, yeast can help recycle metals from E-waste.

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Date: 16/05/2024 14:05:59
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2154805
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag

Link

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Date: 16/05/2024 14:14:54
From: Michael V
ID: 2154808
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag

Link

Huh!

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Date: 16/05/2024 14:20:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2154812
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag

Link

What time limit should be set on this statue¿

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Date: 16/05/2024 14:23:53
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2154814
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag

Link

What time limit should be set on this statue¿

almost infinite!

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Date: 16/05/2024 15:23:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2154837
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag

Link

What time limit should be set on this statue¿

almost infinite!

OK fine we’ll settle for periodic review say every 0.3 Gs or so, with a view to urban renewal as appropriate.

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Date: 16/05/2024 21:15:04
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2154962
Subject: re: today I learned

has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

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Date: 16/05/2024 21:37:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154980
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

abcccddeeeeefggiiiiiiiillmmmmnnnnnooprrsssttttttuuuuuuuvx

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Date: 16/05/2024 21:41:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154983
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

abcccddeeeeefggiiiiiiiillmmmmnnnnnooprrsssttttttuuuuuuuvx

… and if you want to do a search on that, Bing is hopeless. Try that other search engine.

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Date: 16/05/2024 21:45:15
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2154985
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

abcccddeeeeefggiiiiiiiillmmmmnnnnnooprrsssttttttuuuuuuuvx

… and if you want to do a search on that, Bing is hopeless. Try that other search engine.

is that a humblebrag?

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Date: 16/05/2024 21:47:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2154988
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

abcccddeeeeefggiiiiiiiillmmmmnnnnnooprrsssttttttuuuuuuuvx

… and if you want to do a search on that, Bing is hopeless. Try that other search engine.

is that a humblebrag?

Looks up humblebrag.

Yes, it does seem to be a humblebrag :)

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Date: 16/05/2024 22:04:31
From: dv
ID: 2154996
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

Mmm Galileo did something similar.

Of course if it didn’t pan out Hooke could just claim he meant Nut Viscosities.

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Date: 16/05/2024 22:17:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2155001
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

Mmm Galileo did something similar.

Of course if it didn’t pan out Hooke could just claim he meant Nut Viscosities.

Yeah, I used to think that Hooke invented this Latin single word anagram thing, but discovered quite recently it was quite common, and started well before his time.

More at: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/41603/did-robert-hooke-publish-his-spring-force-law-as-an-anagram

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Date: 16/05/2024 22:55:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2155008
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

… and if you want to do a search on that, Bing is hopeless. Try that other search engine.

is that a humblebrag?

Looks up humblebrag.

Yes, it does seem to be a humblebrag :)

Aha, today we learned that humblebrag is a synonym of clickbait ¡

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Date: 17/05/2024 05:05:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2155033
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

has this been mentioned here before?

When Robert Hooke discovered his law of elasticity in 1676, he didn’t publish it in the ordinary way. Instead, he published it as an anagram: “ceiiinosssttuv.” He revealed this two years later as the Latin ut tensio, sic vis, meaning “as the extension, so the force.” This ensured that if someone else made the same discovery, Hooke could reveal the anagram and claim priority, thus buying time in which he alone could build upon the discovery.

Mmm Galileo did something similar.

Of course if it didn’t pan out Hooke could just claim he meant Nut Viscosities.

Yeah, I used to think that Hooke invented this Latin single word anagram thing, but discovered quite recently it was quite common, and started well before his time.

More at: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/41603/did-robert-hooke-publish-his-spring-force-law-as-an-anagram

So basically what block chain was meant to be, until it started getting abused by crypto bros and tulip manics.

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Date: 17/05/2024 07:44:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2155043
Subject: re: today I learned

Heat-related deaths in Perth tipped to rise 60 per cent by 2050, according to new modelling

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Date: 17/05/2024 09:10:35
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2155080
Subject: re: today I learned

May 15th – on this day in 1960, the USSR launched the first space capsule in human history, with a Vostok rocket carrying Korabl-Sputnik 1 to orbit from the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

While the spacecraft was uncrewed, it carried a number of scientific instruments, a television system, and a self-sustaining biological cabin with a cosmonaut dummy.

Four days into the flight, mission control planned to deorbit the capsule, but due to it being not in the correct flight attitude, Korabl-Sputnik 1 made an uncontrolled reentry, with a 9 kg piece from the descent module landing in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, in the United States of America.

The picture shows the historical marker next to the location where the fragment was recovered, listing the spacecraft’s name as Sputnik IV, which was an unofficial designation used in the West.

Image Credit: Skiba, Justin M. for Wikimedia Commons

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Date: 17/05/2024 09:23:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2155085
Subject: re: today I learned

Danish Arctic explorer Peter Freuchen with his first wife, Navarana Mequpaluk
in 1912. She would pass away from the Spanish Flu in 1921.⁣

Freuchen went on to participate in several Arctic explorations, one including a
1,000 mile dogsled trip across Greenland. Freuchen also wrote more than a
dozen books (fiction and non-fiction), participated in the Danish resistance
against Germany during World War 2 and was imprisoned by the Nazis and
sentenced to death, but managed to escape to Sweden. He eventually came to
Hollywood and worked as a consultant and scriptwriter, but also starred in the
Oscar winning movie “Eskimo” (1933). In 1956, he won $64,000 on “The $64,000
Question”, an American quiz show.⁣

But perhaps his most famous feat was barely escaping death when he once got
trapped in a snow cave due to the warmth generated by his own breath, which
created an impassable frozen crust that blocked the entrance.⁣

He writes about the experience in one of his memoirs: “What a way to die…I gave up
once more and let the hours pass without another move. But I recovered my strength
while I rested and my morale improved. I was alive after all. I had not eaten for hours,
but my digestion felt all right. I got a new idea! I had often seen dog’s dung in the sled
track and had noticed that it would freeze as solid as a rock. Would not the cold have
the same effect on human discharge? Repulsive as the thought was, I decided to try
the experiment. I moved my bowels and from the excrement I managed to fashion a
chisel-like instrument which I left to freeze…I was patient. I did not want to risk breaking
my new tool by using it too soon…At last I decided to try my chisel and it worked!”⁣

While he managed to escape, he was forced to amputate several of his toes and eventually
lost his left foot entirely to frostbite.⁣

In 1957, Freuchen died of a heart attack.

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Date: 17/05/2024 12:03:21
From: dv
ID: 2155132
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


May 15th – on this day in 1960, the USSR launched the first space capsule in human history, with a Vostok rocket carrying Korabl-Sputnik 1 to orbit from the Baikonur Cosmodrome.

While the spacecraft was uncrewed, it carried a number of scientific instruments, a television system, and a self-sustaining biological cabin with a cosmonaut dummy.

Four days into the flight, mission control planned to deorbit the capsule, but due to it being not in the correct flight attitude, Korabl-Sputnik 1 made an uncontrolled reentry, with a 9 kg piece from the descent module landing in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, in the United States of America.

The picture shows the historical marker next to the location where the fragment was recovered, listing the spacecraft’s name as Sputnik IV, which was an unofficial designation used in the West.

Image Credit: Skiba, Justin M. for Wikimedia Commons

How is “space capsule” defined?

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Date: 18/05/2024 12:54:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2155513
Subject: re: today I learned

When six-year-old Nancy Bentley was bitten by a snake in Port Arthur in 1920, some quick-thinking rule bending aboard a nearby warship possibly saved her life.

The young girl made history that day, and it’s a record that still stands.

Ms Bentley is the youngest person to be enlisted in the Australian forces — and was the first female to enter the Royal Australian Navy.

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Date: 18/05/2024 13:02:08
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2155516
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


When six-year-old Nancy Bentley was bitten by a snake in Port Arthur in 1920, some quick-thinking rule bending aboard a nearby warship possibly saved her life.

The young girl made history that day, and it’s a record that still stands.

Ms Bentley is the youngest person to be enlisted in the Australian forces — and was the first female to enter the Royal Australian Navy.

Interesting story.

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Date: 18/05/2024 13:10:30
From: buffy
ID: 2155517
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

When six-year-old Nancy Bentley was bitten by a snake in Port Arthur in 1920, some quick-thinking rule bending aboard a nearby warship possibly saved her life.

The young girl made history that day, and it’s a record that still stands.

Ms Bentley is the youngest person to be enlisted in the Australian forces — and was the first female to enter the Royal Australian Navy.

Interesting story.

I wonder, if it was indeed a snake bite, if it was a dry strike (no venom injected, which apparently happens reasonably oftn), or if immobilizing her for some days allowed her body to deal with a small envenomation. I’ve read that Aboriginal people immobilized, sometimes for days, if bitten.

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Date: 18/05/2024 13:16:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2155519
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

When six-year-old Nancy Bentley was bitten by a snake in Port Arthur in 1920, some quick-thinking rule bending aboard a nearby warship possibly saved her life.

The young girl made history that day, and it’s a record that still stands.

Ms Bentley is the youngest person to be enlisted in the Australian forces — and was the first female to enter the Royal Australian Navy.

Interesting story.

I wonder, if it was indeed a snake bite, if it was a dry strike (no venom injected, which apparently happens reasonably oftn), or if immobilizing her for some days allowed her body to deal with a small envenomation. I’ve read that Aboriginal people immobilized, sometimes for days, if bitten.

She doesn’t look happy in any of those snaps.

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Date: 18/05/2024 15:50:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2155602
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

When six-year-old Nancy Bentley was bitten by a snake in Port Arthur in 1920, some quick-thinking rule bending aboard a nearby warship possibly saved her life.

The young girl made history that day, and it’s a record that still stands.

Ms Bentley is the youngest person to be enlisted in the Australian forces — and was the first female to enter the Royal Australian Navy.

Interesting story.

I wonder, if it was indeed a snake bite, if it was a dry strike (no venom injected, which apparently happens reasonably oftn), or if immobilizing her for some days allowed her body to deal with a small envenomation. I’ve read that Aboriginal people immobilized, sometimes for days, if bitten.

Yes. It is intriguing.

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Date: 18/05/2024 16:20:54
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2155618
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpSUuIv-D9o

Link

Uri Tuchman makes a pigeon geared “clock”,

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Date: 19/05/2024 13:10:03
From: Michael V
ID: 2155878
Subject: re: today I learned

About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340

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Date: 19/05/2024 13:13:53
From: Tamb
ID: 2155879
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340


Back in the day that would have been required reading for me.

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Date: 19/05/2024 13:28:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2155892
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340


Back in the day that would have been required reading for me.

Developed after I retired.

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Date: 19/05/2024 13:28:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2155893
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340


Back in the day that would have been required reading for me.

Developed after I retired.

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Date: 19/05/2024 13:32:35
From: Tamb
ID: 2155899
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340


Back in the day that would have been required reading for me.

Developed after I retired.


Me too. I have quallies in Optical microscopy and Crystallography but the other stuff in too new.

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Date: 19/05/2024 14:20:14
From: dv
ID: 2155914
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


About polychromatic polarizing microscopy, a new technique. It’s amazing, really.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/50/2/137/608430/Polychromatic-polarization-Boosting-the

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep17340

Bit better than what we had in the 90s

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:19:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2156173
Subject: re: today I learned

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:24:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2156178
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

I think the people across the road are harboring Jews, I’ve a good mind to report them to the local branch of the Greens Party.

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:29:38
From: dv
ID: 2156182
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

also front in the day. He never really stopped the Powell love

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:29:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2156183
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Toxic.

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:30:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2156184
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Toxic.

Never thought much of Clapton, E.

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:33:27
From: Cymek
ID: 2156186
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Toxic.

Going by the way the world is heading, the days of white supremacy are almost over and we will have Chinese supremacy take over.
Nothing race really accounts for just whose top dog for the next 50 plus years or so and China happens to become dominant

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:34:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2156188
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Toxic.

Going by the way the world is heading, the days of white supremacy are almost over and we will have Chinese supremacy take over.
Nothing race really accounts for just whose top dog for the next 50 plus years or so and China happens to become dominant

Do CHINA people prefer whiteness¿

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:52:22
From: Cymek
ID: 2156193
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Toxic.

Going by the way the world is heading, the days of white supremacy are almost over and we will have Chinese supremacy take over.
Nothing race really accounts for just whose top dog for the next 50 plus years or so and China happens to become dominant

Do CHINA people prefer whiteness¿

Some change appearance don’t they to “fit” in with some idea of beauty

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Date: 20/05/2024 12:53:47
From: Michael V
ID: 2156195
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Huh!

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Date: 20/05/2024 13:09:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2156206
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

Huh!

It was mentioned on a show on NITV called White Riot.

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Date: 20/05/2024 13:13:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2156211
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

That Eric Clapton was a white spremacist.
Apparently back in the day he’d supported Enoch Powell.

also front in the day. He never really stopped the Powell love

There you go.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-clapton-vaccine-lockdown-racist-comments-1239027/

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Date: 20/05/2024 17:06:22
From: dv
ID: 2156279
Subject: re: today I learned

The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

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Date: 20/05/2024 17:25:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2156292
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

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Date: 20/05/2024 17:28:50
From: dv
ID: 2156294
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

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Date: 20/05/2024 17:30:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2156296
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

And none too accurate I’d imagine.

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Date: 20/05/2024 17:41:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2156301
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

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Date: 20/05/2024 18:02:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2156310
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

The Paris Gun (German: Paris-Geschütz / Pariser Kanone) was the name given to a type of German long-range siege gun, several of which were used to bombard Paris during World War I.

The gun was capable of firing a 106-kilogram (234 lb): 120  shell to a range of 130 kilometres (81 mi) and a maximum altitude of 42.3 km (26.3 mi): 120 —the greatest height reached by a human-made projectile until the first successful V-2 flight test in October 1942. At the start of its 182-second flight,: 33  each shell from the Paris Gun reached a speed of 1,640 m/s (5,904 km/h; 5,381 ft/s; 3,669 mph).: 33 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

And the Manhattan bombs.

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Date: 20/05/2024 18:04:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2156312
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

So we should bomb the shit out of CHINA now and not scramble to catch up in 12 years.

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Date: 20/05/2024 18:13:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2156315
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

So we should bomb the shit out of CHINA now and not scramble to catch up in 12 years.

It’s the only sensible thing to do.

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Date: 20/05/2024 18:50:57
From: dv
ID: 2156324
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

Oh well better luck next time

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Date: 20/05/2024 19:08:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2156327
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

Oh well better luck next time

From the Nazis’ point of view, they were very much the right idea, but the timing was lousy, all round.

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Date: 20/05/2024 19:29:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2156331
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

Oh well better luck next time

From the Nazis’ point of view, they were very much the right idea, but the timing was lousy, all round.

They all took too many mind altering drugs.

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Date: 20/05/2024 21:00:47
From: party_pants
ID: 2156342
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

they were pretty ineffective for the labour involved. barrels wore quickly. small shell size. thick walls to the shells to cope with the firing. small charge. waste of time really.

So were the V2s really

If the V2 project (and the V1 project, for that matter) had been developed just a few years earlier, when Germany’s production capabilities and reserves of strategic materials could have coped with the production numbers that the programmes demanded, they may well have been very effective programmes, indeed.

Alternatively, if the start of the war had been delayed until the 1945-46 date that Hitler had envisioned, production of these, and other weapon systems by an industrial complex unhindered by bombing or interdiction of required supplies could have churned out a very large arsenal of advanced weapons, which might well have overwhelmed the capabilities of Britain and Russia, making direct American involvement in Europe less likely.

Hard to guess. If only the technology was an absolute secret and no other country found out about it. If they did they would all have rightly perceived it as a threat and started work on their own versions of V1 and V2 type thingymes. Thus nullifying its effects.

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Date: 21/05/2024 07:29:27
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2156423
Subject: re: today I learned

We may be on the cusp of spotting our first lensed gravitational wave.

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Date: 21/05/2024 11:59:27
From: dv
ID: 2156569
Subject: re: today I learned

John Astin (famed mainly for his portrayal of Gomez Addams) is the adoptive father of Sean Astin (Goonies, Lord of the Rings, Stranger Things etc).

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Date: 22/05/2024 08:25:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2156782
Subject: re: today I learned

… what a Riemann Sum is.

I had to look it up, even though many days I do millions of Riemann sums (or, to be honest, my computer does it for me).

Although it probably uses Gaussian integration.

Does Gaussian integration count as a Riemann sum?

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Date: 22/05/2024 09:29:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2156799
Subject: re: today I learned

Gina is not from this world.

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Date: 22/05/2024 10:13:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2156836
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

… what a Riemann Sum is.

I had to look it up, even though many days I do millions of Riemann sums (or, to be honest, my computer does it for me).

Although it probably uses Gaussian integration.

Does Gaussian integration count as a Riemann sum?

Surely identity are identity and equivalent are equivalent and congruence are congruence so,

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Date: 22/05/2024 18:43:11
From: dv
ID: 2157050
Subject: re: today I learned

The opposite of Widdershins is Deasil.

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Date: 22/05/2024 18:50:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2157053
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The opposite of Widdershins is Deasil.

Were you researching the proper way to walk around a kirk?

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Date: 22/05/2024 19:57:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2157079
Subject: re: today I learned

A single bee will only create about one 12th of a teaspoon (0.8g) of honey during its lifetime.

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:20:22
From: dv
ID: 2157086
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

The opposite of Widdershins is Deasil.

Were you researching the proper way to walk around a kirk?

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:25:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2157088
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

The opposite of Widdershins is Deasil.

Were you researching the proper way to walk around a kirk?


:)

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:31:22
From: dv
ID: 2157093
Subject: re: today I learned

As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:36:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 2157094
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

It had a bit of a cult following , so did The Young Ones have a cult following…

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:54:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2157100
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


A single bee will only create about one 12th of a teaspoon (0.8g) of honey during its lifetime.

And they call that busy?

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Date: 22/05/2024 20:59:56
From: Ian
ID: 2157101
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

GSEH

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Date: 22/05/2024 21:04:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2157102
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

They had some classic, if not a little off colour, lines.

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Date: 22/05/2024 21:10:31
From: party_pants
ID: 2157103
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

Never liked that show much. Struggled to get into it.

It had a few devotees at school, but quite a few who were in the “meh: let’s go and play cricket instead” crowd. I liked playimng cricket.

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Date: 22/05/2024 22:01:05
From: dv
ID: 2157107
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

Never liked that show much. Struggled to get into it.

It had a few devotees at school, but quite a few who were in the “meh: let’s go and play cricket instead” crowd. I liked playimng cricket.

I was in the intersection set

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Date: 22/05/2024 22:10:22
From: buffy
ID: 2157109
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


As a boy I used to watch a show called Monkey on ABC. Some The song played in the closing credits was called Gandhara and sometimes they would play a fully English version, and other eps they would play a mainly Japanese version with an English chorus that says “In Gandhara, Gandhara, they say it was in India, Gandhara, Gandhara, I know (????) Gandhara.”

Never knew what the missing word was and I suddenly remembered this just now and looked it up.

It’s actually a Japanese phrase Ai no kuni, meaning Land of love.

Monkey was great

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Date: 22/05/2024 22:19:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2157113
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


A single bee will only create about one 12th of a teaspoon (0.8g) of honey during its lifetime.

Which is why there’s around ten thousand in every hive.

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Date: 25/05/2024 00:12:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2158025
Subject: re: today I learned

I’ve noticed in a couple stories in these old pulp magazines: “clue” being spelt “clew”.

So I looked it up and apparently:

The word clue was originally a variant spelling of clew, meaning “ball of thread or yarn.” Our modern sense of clue, “guide to the solution of a mystery,” grows out of a motif in myth and folklore, the ball of thread that helps in finding one’s way out of a maze. Of these stories the best known is the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. In the myth, Theseus unravels a ball of thread as he searches for the monstrous Minotaur in the Labyrinth. After killing the Minotaur, he retraces his steps out of the maze by rewinding the thread.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clue#:~:text=The%20word%20clue%20was%20originally,way%20out%20of%20a%20maze.

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Date: 25/05/2024 07:49:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2158052
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


I’ve noticed in a couple stories in these old pulp magazines: “clue” being spelt “clew”.

So I looked it up and apparently:

The word clue was originally a variant spelling of clew, meaning “ball of thread or yarn.” Our modern sense of clue, “guide to the solution of a mystery,” grows out of a motif in myth and folklore, the ball of thread that helps in finding one’s way out of a maze. Of these stories the best known is the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. In the myth, Theseus unravels a ball of thread as he searches for the monstrous Minotaur in the Labyrinth. After killing the Minotaur, he retraces his steps out of the maze by rewinding the thread.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clue#:~:text=The%20word%20clue%20was%20originally,way%20out%20of%20a%20maze.

I didn’t have a clew that that’s where clue came from.

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Date: 25/05/2024 08:09:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2158053
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve noticed in a couple stories in these old pulp magazines: “clue” being spelt “clew”.

So I looked it up and apparently:

The word clue was originally a variant spelling of clew, meaning “ball of thread or yarn.” Our modern sense of clue, “guide to the solution of a mystery,” grows out of a motif in myth and folklore, the ball of thread that helps in finding one’s way out of a maze. Of these stories the best known is the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. In the myth, Theseus unravels a ball of thread as he searches for the monstrous Minotaur in the Labyrinth. After killing the Minotaur, he retraces his steps out of the maze by rewinding the thread.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clue#:~:text=The%20word%20clue%20was%20originally,way%20out%20of%20a%20maze.

I didn’t have a clew that that’s where clue came from.

The word ‘clew’ is still in use as the name for a part of a sail.

It’s the bottom corner of the sail, where the ‘sheets’ are attached (the sheets are the ropes by which the sail is controlled).

On most modern sailing vessels, the clew is attached to the boom, but there’s some boats with ‘loose-footed’ sails, with no boom, but the term ‘clew’ is still used.

On a square-rigged ship, each rectangular sail has two clews.

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Date: 25/05/2024 08:22:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2158059
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve noticed in a couple stories in these old pulp magazines: “clue” being spelt “clew”.

So I looked it up and apparently:

The word clue was originally a variant spelling of clew, meaning “ball of thread or yarn.” Our modern sense of clue, “guide to the solution of a mystery,” grows out of a motif in myth and folklore, the ball of thread that helps in finding one’s way out of a maze. Of these stories the best known is the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. In the myth, Theseus unravels a ball of thread as he searches for the monstrous Minotaur in the Labyrinth. After killing the Minotaur, he retraces his steps out of the maze by rewinding the thread.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clue#:~:text=The%20word%20clue%20was%20originally,way%20out%20of%20a%20maze.

I didn’t have a clew that that’s where clue came from.

The word ‘clew’ is still in use as the name for a part of a sail.

It’s the bottom corner of the sail, where the ‘sheets’ are attached (the sheets are the ropes by which the sail is controlled).

On most modern sailing vessels, the clew is attached to the boom, but there’s some boats with ‘loose-footed’ sails, with no boom, but the term ‘clew’ is still used.

On a square-rigged ship, each rectangular sail has two clews.

A wealth of knowledge now to put it to some evil…………good, I mean good.

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Date: 25/05/2024 08:55:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158066
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

I’ve noticed in a couple stories in these old pulp magazines: “clue” being spelt “clew”.

So I looked it up and apparently:

The word clue was originally a variant spelling of clew, meaning “ball of thread or yarn.” Our modern sense of clue, “guide to the solution of a mystery,” grows out of a motif in myth and folklore, the ball of thread that helps in finding one’s way out of a maze. Of these stories the best known is the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur. In the myth, Theseus unravels a ball of thread as he searches for the monstrous Minotaur in the Labyrinth. After killing the Minotaur, he retraces his steps out of the maze by rewinding the thread.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clue#:~:text=The%20word%20clue%20was%20originally,way%20out%20of%20a%20maze.

I didn’t have a clew that that’s where clue came from.

It is now clear to ye then ?

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Date: 25/05/2024 18:32:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158259
Subject: re: today I learned

That Victoria exports chicken products to the USA.

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Date: 25/05/2024 18:34:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2158261
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


That Victoria exports chicken products to the USA.

Not any more, they don’t.

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Date: 25/05/2024 18:38:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158263
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

That Victoria exports chicken products to the USA.

Not any more, they don’t.

That be true my good man. True indeed.

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Date: 25/05/2024 18:56:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2158268
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

That Victoria exports chicken products to the USA.

Not any more, they don’t.

That be true my good man. True indeed.

In this case, it may be justified, but the Yanks do seem to sit with their finger hovering over the ‘Prohibit Imports’ button, just looking for the slightest excuse.

Effective farming lobbyists, i suppose.

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Date: 26/05/2024 14:32:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2158533
Subject: re: today I learned

Swingeing – a new word for me.

swingeing /ˈswɪn(d)ʒɪŋ/

adjective BRITISH
severe or extreme in size, amount, or effect.
“swingeing cuts in public expenditure”

Used like that here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-26/rishi-sunak-announces-uk-national-service/103894632

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Date: 26/05/2024 14:48:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2158545
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Swingeing – a new word for me.

swingeing /ˈswɪn(d)ʒɪŋ/

adjective BRITISH
severe or extreme in size, amount, or effect.
“swingeing cuts in public expenditure”

Used like that here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-26/rishi-sunak-announces-uk-national-service/103894632

I forget when and where, but swingeing was once used all the time in political discourse.

Presumably back in the 70’s in UK.

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Date: 26/05/2024 14:50:13
From: dv
ID: 2158549
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Swingeing – a new word for me.

swingeing /ˈswɪn(d)ʒɪŋ/

adjective BRITISH
severe or extreme in size, amount, or effect.
“swingeing cuts in public expenditure”

Used like that here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-26/rishi-sunak-announces-uk-national-service/103894632

Good

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Date: 26/05/2024 18:05:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158616
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King_Corporation_v_Hungry_Jack%27s_Pty_Ltd
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/nsw-mcdonalds-hungry-jacks-burger-dispute/103113274

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Date: 26/05/2024 19:20:18
From: dv
ID: 2158633
Subject: re: today I learned

The Ewoks are important to the plot of Return of the Jedi and I have probably heard this before but I’ve been reminded that the word Ewok is not used in the film.

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Date: 26/05/2024 19:31:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2158636
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Ewoks are important to the plot of Return of the Jedi and I have probably heard this before but I’ve been reminded that the word Ewok is not used in the film.

Who reminded you and can they be trusted.

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Date: 26/05/2024 22:02:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158665
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The Ewoks are important to the plot of Return of the Jedi and I have probably heard this before but I’ve been reminded that the word Ewok is not used in the film.

Who reminded you and can they be trusted.

wokes

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Date: 27/05/2024 08:58:15
From: dv
ID: 2158745
Subject: re: today I learned

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:07:24
From: Tamb
ID: 2158749
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.


That’s as may be but this is an Antilopine wallaroo: the Arnold Schwarzenegger of the savannas:

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:08:03
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158751
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:13:45
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158755
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

still, you can make a portmanteau from a wallaroo.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:34:17
From: Michael V
ID: 2158762
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

From different, unrelated languages.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:39:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158766
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

From different, unrelated languages.

The best kind of pun.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:43:07
From: OCDC
ID: 2158767
Subject: re: today I learned

Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:45:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158768
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

.which one tastes more like chickeN

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:45:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158769
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

strewth!

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:46:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158770
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

.which one tastes more like chickeN

i know wallaby tastes a bit like lamb.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:47:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2158771
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

.which one tastes more like chickeN

I think you stew wallaby.

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Date: 27/05/2024 09:48:15
From: Tamb
ID: 2158772
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:

Anyway my local coles now has wallaby as well as kangaru.

.which one tastes more like chickeN


More like venison if anything.

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:00:34
From: dv
ID: 2158778
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

That’s great but kangaroo is not a Dharug word and indeed comes from a language in a completely different part of the country.

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:15:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158787
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

That’s great but kangaroo is not a Dharug word and indeed comes from a language in a completely different part of the country.

Ah but what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which loanwords slash hybrids wait, wait…

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:31:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158793
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Hand on heart, I completely thought wallaroo was just a portmanteau of wallaby and kangaroo until just now.

Turns out it is just from a Dharug word walaru. Not at all related to kangaroo.

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

That’s great but kangaroo is not a Dharug word and indeed comes from a language in a completely different part of the country.

And then suddenly

Palaeontologists have named three new monotreme species, including an “echidnapus”, which shares platypus and echidna characteristics.

RCR¿

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:33:07
From: dv
ID: 2158794
Subject: re: today I learned

I’m not an anthropologist but although there were long distance trade routes in Australia before European settlement, there do not appear to have been long distance language exchanges. Kangaroo and wallaroo come from places about 2000 km apart.

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:44:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2158796
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

I’m not an anthropologist but although there were long distance trade routes in Australia before European settlement, there do not appear to have been long distance language exchanges. Kangaroo and wallaroo come from places about 2000 km apart.

We apologise for the complication and acknowledge that we know so little about languages being spoken across Australia before 1900 that our ideas are pure silliness and speculation but we failed to mark them as such before sending them in, we actually agree that we had a similar thought to the initially reported learning and the rest was an exercise in “what if” that again we had neglected to identify as such. Furthermore we thank yous for bringing the learning to our attention as it has made us more learned and knowledgeable.

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Date: 27/05/2024 10:46:11
From: dv
ID: 2158798
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’m not an anthropologist but although there were long distance trade routes in Australia before European settlement, there do not appear to have been long distance language exchanges. Kangaroo and wallaroo come from places about 2000 km apart.

We apologise for the complication and acknowledge that we know so little about languages being spoken across Australia before 1900 that our ideas are pure silliness and speculation but we failed to mark them as such before sending them in, we actually agree that we had a similar thought to the initially reported learning and the rest was an exercise in “what if” that again we had neglected to identify as such. Furthermore we thank yous for bringing the learning to our attention as it has made us more learned and knowledgeable.

You will be invoiced in due course.

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Date: 27/05/2024 11:09:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2158800
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

there do not appear to have been long distance language exchanges.

… apart from kangaroo and wallaroo of course.

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Date: 27/05/2024 11:43:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158807
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

What if, now hear us out on this, what if Anglophonique were not the only linguistic family in which puns exist, and First Nations Australians were perfectly capable of portmanteau¿

That’s great but kangaroo is not a Dharug word and indeed comes from a language in a completely different part of the country.

And then suddenly

Palaeontologists have named three new monotreme species, including an “echidnapus”, which shares platypus and echidna characteristics.

RCR¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-05-27/meet-the-echidnapus-from-an-age-of-monotremes-in-australia/103849096

Link

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Date: 27/05/2024 11:45:02
From: dv
ID: 2158809
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

That’s great but kangaroo is not a Dharug word and indeed comes from a language in a completely different part of the country.

And then suddenly

Palaeontologists have named three new monotreme species, including an “echidnapus”, which shares platypus and echidna characteristics.

RCR¿

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-05-27/meet-the-echidnapus-from-an-age-of-monotremes-in-australia/103849096

Link

This is the dawning of the age of echidnapus, the age of ecnalubma, aaaaaaaa,

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:01:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158988
Subject: re: today I learned

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:05:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2158989
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

https://aboutregional.com.au/restored-1924-waratah-brings-back-memories-of-wizard-with-engines/451867

Link

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:12:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158991
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

Did Waratah make their own engines or is that a Villiers?

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:16:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2158992
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:20:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158993
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

Ah. So it was a Villiers.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:27:39
From: Michael V
ID: 2158994
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

I was wrong. They were made in Sydney. And it is likely to be a larger capacity engine, too.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:28:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158995
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

I was wrong. They were made in Sydney. And it is likely to be a larger capacity engine, too.

Tthe one Boris posted is a 197cc Villiers.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:28:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2158996
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

I was wrong. They were made in Sydney. And it is likely to be a larger capacity engine, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waratah_motorcycles

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:35:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2158997
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

Probably made in the Netherlands.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:38:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2158998
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Peter Seymour with the 1924 Waratah. He concedes he will never have the two-stroke machine running
as well as his father and mechanic Merv did. The accelerator is a lever attached to the handlebar, and a
gear stick handle reaches to waist height. Photo: John Thistleton.

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

Probably made in the Netherlands.

Sigh.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:39:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2158999
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

My father had a Waratah. IIRC, it was powered by a 98 cc Villiers motor. It made so little power that it had to be pushed up many hills. I don’t think they were made in Australia.

Probably made in the Netherlands.

Sigh.

I mean, hills aren’t much of a problem in Holland, are they? Or maybe Denmark.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:41:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2159001
Subject: re: today I learned

Or maybe Norfolk.

As Noel Coward said, ‘very flat, Norfolk’.

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Date: 28/05/2024 09:46:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2159002
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Probably made in the Netherlands.

Sigh.

I mean, hills aren’t much of a problem in Holland, are they? Or maybe Denmark.

Yeah, I got the joke. ;)

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Date: 29/05/2024 08:01:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2159273
Subject: re: today I learned

that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

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Date: 29/05/2024 08:14:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2159277
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

Good. Now I know as well.

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Date: 29/05/2024 10:53:37
From: Arts
ID: 2159342
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

I didn’t even think Einstein was real.. I thought he was just a theoretical physicist.

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Date: 29/05/2024 11:03:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2159346
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

I didn’t even think Einstein was real.. I thought he was just a theoretical physicist.

LOL

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Date: 29/05/2024 11:46:23
From: dv
ID: 2159359
Subject: re: today I learned

Dolph Lundgren has a chemical engineering degree from the RIT in Stockholm and a masters in chemical engineering from University of Sydney.

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Date: 29/05/2024 13:02:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2159379
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

I didn’t even think Einstein was real.. I thought he was just a theoretical physicist.

LTJTB

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Date: 29/05/2024 13:06:46
From: Tamb
ID: 2159382
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Arts said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that in 1903 the Italian scientist Olinto De Pretto published that E = mc2 two years before Einstein.

Link

One of the most fascinating aspects of the history of science is how often we assume that our current understanding of the universe is the entirety of human knowledge, when in reality, scientists and thinkers have been grappling with these concepts for centuries.

Take the concept of mass-energy equivalence, for example.

While Einstein is famously credited with the equation E=mc², it’s little known that an Italian scientist named Olinto De Pretto may have beaten him to the punch by two years.

In 1903, De Pretto published a paper titled “Il destino delle stelle” or “The Fate of Stars”, in which he proposed the idea that mass and energy are interchangeable, using the formula E=mc².

Of course, it’s worth noting that De Pretto’s work was largely unknown outside of Italy at the time, and Einstein’s more comprehensive and widely-published work on relativity eventually won out in the annals of history.

In a fascinating footnote to this story, it’s also worth noting that Einstein himself was heavily influenced by the work of Henri Poincaré, a French mathematician who had been working on similar ideas in the early 1900s.

Poincaré’s work on electromagnetism and the nature of space and time laid the groundwork for many of Einstein’s most famous theories, and it’s clear that the development of modern physics was a collaborative effort that spanned multiple continents and decades.

But what’s most remarkable about this story is how it highlights the often-overlooked role of cultural and linguistic biases in the history of science.

Why did De Pretto’s work remain largely unknown outside of Italy, while Einstein’s similar ideas gained international acclaim?

The answer, of course, lies in the complex web of cultural and linguistic power dynamics that have shaped the development of modern science.

Finally, it’s worth noting that the equation E=mc² itself has a fascinating history that predates even De Pretto and Einstein.

The concept of mass-energy equivalence can be traced back to the work of 19th-century physicists like James Clerk Maxwell and Hermann Minkowski, who were grappling with the nature of energy and matter in the mid-1800s.

I didn’t even think Einstein was real.. I thought he was just a theoretical physicist.

LTJTB


He was German. They are never theoretical.

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Date: 2/06/2024 00:48:36
From: dv
ID: 2160809
Subject: re: today I learned

Johnny Cash’s real name per his birth certificate was J.R.Cash, with no first or middle name. When he enlisted in the military they would not accept this name so he made up the first name John.

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Date: 2/06/2024 18:01:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2161116
Subject: re: today I learned

Astronomical Society of Western Australia Inc ·
Astronomy Through the Ages 26, 1922 – Prof. Alexander David Ross

Eddington’s ‘confirmation’ of Einstein’s theory of gravitation became less convincing the longer people studied his results. He used two cameras in his expedition; results from one camera very closely supported results from Newton’s equations, while the other closely supported calculations from Einstein’s equations. There had to be more data!

Alexander Ross (1883-1966) was born in Scotland, and attended the University of Glasgow. His father was the head of the Church of Scotland Training College, another of those many connections between astronomers and organised religion. In 1912 he emigrated to Australia to become Professor of Maths and Physics at the University of Western Australia. It was Ross who pushed to concept of a mission to the remote location of Wallal in Northern WA to observe the 1922 total eclipse and re-do Eddington’s experiment. In the face of a lot of scepticism and opposition Ross persuaded the Eclipse Committee of the American Astronomical Society (AAS) to send a team to Australia, and thus it was that a team from Lick Observatory brought tonnes of equipment ashore using small boats, to measure the positions of stars near the Sun, during the eclipse. The result was a resounding success and convincing evidence in favour of the new theory of “General Relativity”.

Fig. 26.1 Prof Alexander Ross, 1935. Credit: University of Western Australia archives

Fig 26.2 Donkey team preparing to haul supplies for the Wallal expedition. Credit: State Library of Western Australia

Fig 26.3 Erecting the tower for the Lick Observatory 40-foot camera. Credit: State Library of Western Australia

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Date: 2/06/2024 18:05:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2161117
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Astronomical Society of Western Australia Inc ·
Astronomy Through the Ages 26, 1922 – Prof. Alexander David Ross

Eddington’s ‘confirmation’ of Einstein’s theory of gravitation became less convincing the longer people studied his results. He used two cameras in his expedition; results from one camera very closely supported results from Newton’s equations, while the other closely supported calculations from Einstein’s equations. There had to be more data!

Alexander Ross (1883-1966) was born in Scotland, and attended the University of Glasgow. His father was the head of the Church of Scotland Training College, another of those many connections between astronomers and organised religion. In 1912 he emigrated to Australia to become Professor of Maths and Physics at the University of Western Australia. It was Ross who pushed to concept of a mission to the remote location of Wallal in Northern WA to observe the 1922 total eclipse and re-do Eddington’s experiment. In the face of a lot of scepticism and opposition Ross persuaded the Eclipse Committee of the American Astronomical Society (AAS) to send a team to Australia, and thus it was that a team from Lick Observatory brought tonnes of equipment ashore using small boats, to measure the positions of stars near the Sun, during the eclipse. The result was a resounding success and convincing evidence in favour of the new theory of “General Relativity”.

Fig. 26.1 Prof Alexander Ross, 1935. Credit: University of Western Australia archives

Fig 26.2 Donkey team preparing to haul supplies for the Wallal expedition. Credit: State Library of Western Australia

Fig 26.3 Erecting the tower for the Lick Observatory 40-foot camera. Credit: State Library of Western Australia


Note iconic pot of Clag atop cabinet, above right of chair.

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Date: 2/06/2024 18:11:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2161119
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bogsnorkler said:


Note iconic pot of Clag atop cabinet, above right of chair.

Useful if he gets a bit peckish.

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Date: 5/06/2024 16:39:50
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2162232
Subject: re: today I learned

https://ww2ondeadline.com/2020/06/03/d-day-joan-ellis-ap-associated-press-invasion-flash/

Link

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Date: 5/06/2024 17:35:51
From: dv
ID: 2162263
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://ww2ondeadline.com/2020/06/03/d-day-joan-ellis-ap-associated-press-invasion-flash/

Link

Damn

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Date: 6/06/2024 08:39:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2162383
Subject: re: today I learned

about some songs with sad meanings that I did not know of:

“What are some songs that most people think are happy but are actually sad?
Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, often sung at British funerals. It’s about keeping a positive attitude and not being broken down by life’s difficulties, but the end is “Just remember that the last laugh is on you.”

But the prize-winners are the two famous Scottish songs Auld Lang Syne and By the Bonnie, Bonnie Banks o’ Loch Lomond. Both get sung in a raucously cheerful style, and both are deeply sad if you understand the words.

Auld Lang Syne is bad enough. It’s about ageing and loss and regret, and is meant to be sung as a slow air. But “Ye’ll tak the high road an’ I’ll tak the low road // An’ I’ll be in Scotland afore ye” is a song addressed by one captive Jacobite soldier to another. The one who is speaking is going to be executed in Carlisle at the same time that his friend is going to be released, so the friend will walk home to Scotland, but the speaker will get there first because he will travel on the “low road”, but he’ll never meet his girl again in life, because he’ll be dead. The low road is the road ghosts go on, while the high road is the road of the living.”

I knew about Look on the Bright Side, of course, but had little idea of what the words to Auld Lang Syne actually mean, and no idea at all about Loch Lomond.

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Date: 7/06/2024 19:46:45
From: dv
ID: 2163047
Subject: re: today I learned

Allegory of Venus and Cupid (1545) by Bronzino

At bottom left is the foot of Cupid that Terry Gilliam used in his animation for the Monty Python intro (flipped).

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Date: 9/06/2024 22:59:38
From: dv
ID: 2163548
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:16:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2163550
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



So who did God gift Dorothy to?

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:26:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2163551
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



If you had twin daughters you could name them Theodora and Dorothea.

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:33:07
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2163552
Subject: re: today I learned

Ted and Dot.

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:35:00
From: furious
ID: 2163553
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Ted and Dot.

Dotted…

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:36:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2163554
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Ted and Dot.

:)

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Date: 9/06/2024 23:48:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 2163555
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

Ted and Dot.

:)

I knew a Theodora Dorothy and she was married to a Theodore.
They were both Quakers.

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Date: 10/06/2024 00:57:36
From: Woodie
ID: 2163560
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael Mosley is dead.

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Date: 10/06/2024 02:28:12
From: kii
ID: 2163568
Subject: re: today I learned

Thea and Theo

My mother had a friend called Thea. She was quirky. We often went to the movies with her and she’d bring homemade treats made from hand cut coconut. I liked her. I like fresh coconut. My father would often buy me one from Paddy’s Market.

The End

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Date: 10/06/2024 08:31:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2163581
Subject: re: today I learned

that the ancient computer language COBOL does not use mathematical symbols. Everything is described in words.

How did anybody ever think that was a good idea?

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Date: 10/06/2024 08:41:48
From: dv
ID: 2163584
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the ancient computer language COBOL does not use mathematical symbols. Everything is described in words.

How did anybody ever think that was a good idea?

I can but quote Wikipedia


Verbose syntax

COBOL syntax has often been criticized for its verbosity. Proponents say that this was intended to make the code self-documenting, easing program maintenance. COBOL was also intended to be easy for programmers to learn and use, while still being readable to non-technical staff such as managers.

The desire for readability led to the use of English-like syntax and structural elements, such as nouns, verbs, clauses, sentences, sections, and divisions. Yet by 1984, maintainers of COBOL programs were struggling to deal with “incomprehensible” code and the main changes in COBOL-85 were there to help ease maintenance.

Jean Sammet, a short-range committee member, noted that “little attempt was made to cater to the professional programmer, in fact people whose main interest is programming tend to be very unhappy with COBOL” which she attributed to COBOL’s verbose syntax.

Isolation from the computer science community
The COBOL community has always been isolated from the computer science community. No academic computer scientists participated in the design of COBOL: all of those on the committee came from commerce or government. Computer scientists at the time were more interested in fields like numerical analysis, physics and system programming than the commercial file-processing problems which COBOL development tackled. Jean Sammet attributed COBOL’s unpopularity to an initial “snob reaction” due to its inelegance, the lack of influential computer scientists participating in the design process and a disdain for business data processing. The COBOL specification used a unique “notation”, or metalanguage, to define its syntax rather than the new Backus–Naur form which the committee did not know of. This resulted in “severe” criticism.

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Date: 10/06/2024 08:44:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2163587
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the ancient computer language COBOL does not use mathematical symbols. Everything is described in words.

How did anybody ever think that was a good idea?

The ANCIENTS didn’t know…

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Date: 10/06/2024 09:05:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2163593
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the ancient computer language COBOL does not use mathematical symbols. Everything is described in words.

How did anybody ever think that was a good idea?

It was symbolic.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:04:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2163687
Subject: re: today I learned

Garbage collectors in Ankara, Turkey, started noticing an increasing number of books being
thrown away. Rather than let them end up in landfills, they began rescuing the books. Initially,
they shared the books with colleagues and families. As the collection grew, they decided to
create a public library in an abandoned brick factory within the Çankaya district.

The library has been a huge success. It offers a wide range of books and even has a mobile
library built into a converted garbage truck to reach more people. It’s become a community
hub, a place to promote literacy and the joy of reading.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:16:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2163690
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Garbage collectors in Ankara, Turkey, started noticing an increasing number of books being
thrown away. Rather than let them end up in landfills, they began rescuing the books. Initially,
they shared the books with colleagues and families. As the collection grew, they decided to
create a public library in an abandoned brick factory within the Çankaya district.

The library has been a huge success. It offers a wide range of books and even has a mobile
library built into a converted garbage truck to reach more people. It’s become a community
hub, a place to promote literacy and the joy of reading.


But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page
Rich with the spoils of time did ne’er unroll;
Chill Penury repress’d their noble rage,
And froze the genial current of the soul.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:23:07
From: dv
ID: 2163693
Subject: re: today I learned

Never thought of penury as being all that chill

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:40:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2163701
Subject: re: today I learned

Most of the horse riders in LotR were women with fake beards.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:41:40
From: Cymek
ID: 2163702
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Most of the horse riders in LotR were women with fake beards.

So they could throw rocks I imagine

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:42:28
From: dv
ID: 2163703
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Most of the horse riders in LotR were women with fake beards.

Same with the first Australian cricket XI to tour Blighty

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:45:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2163704
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Most of the horse riders in LotR were women with fake beards.

That would make sense, as women with real beards are few and far between.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:45:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2163705
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Garbage collectors in Ankara, Turkey, started noticing an increasing number of books being
thrown away. Rather than let them end up in landfills, they began rescuing the books. Initially,
they shared the books with colleagues and families. As the collection grew, they decided to
create a public library in an abandoned brick factory within the Çankaya district.

The library has been a huge success. It offers a wide range of books and even has a mobile
library built into a converted garbage truck to reach more people. It’s become a community
hub, a place to promote literacy and the joy of reading.


Lived in Çankaya from 1988-1991.

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Date: 10/06/2024 15:47:28
From: Tamb
ID: 2163706
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

Most of the horse riders in LotR were women with fake beards.

Same with the first Australian cricket XI to tour Blighty


I think I might need a reference for the cricket claim.

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Date: 11/06/2024 10:10:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2163848
Subject: re: today I learned

that Python has a function called this, that when you import it returns the text:

The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren’t special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one— and preferably only one —obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you’re Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than right now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it’s a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea — let’s do more of those!

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Date: 14/06/2024 08:13:14
From: dv
ID: 2164605
Subject: re: today I learned

Cider can be made from citrus fruits.

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Date: 14/06/2024 08:16:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2164606
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Cider can be made from citrus fruits.

There used to be a ‘tropical winery’ in Bundaberg that would make hooch out of any damn thing.

Citrus fruits, bananas, pineapples, vegetables, left-over soup, used engine oil, old aquarium water, you name it. Ooh, look, washing-up water let’s make ‘wine’ out of it.

Common denominator: they were appalling.

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Date: 14/06/2024 08:22:30
From: kii
ID: 2164607
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Cider can be made from citrus fruits.

There used to be a ‘tropical winery’ in Bundaberg that would make hooch out of any damn thing.

Citrus fruits, bananas, pineapples, vegetables, left-over soup, used engine oil, old aquarium water, you name it. Ooh, look, washing-up water let’s make ‘wine’ out of it.

Common denominator: they were appalling.

I had a peach beer at a local boutique brewery. It was disgusting, but all the young people I was with had recommended it.

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Date: 14/06/2024 09:06:43
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2164625
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Cider can be made from citrus fruits.

There used to be a ‘tropical winery’ in Bundaberg that would make hooch out of any damn thing.

Citrus fruits, bananas, pineapples, vegetables, left-over soup, used engine oil, old aquarium water, you name it. Ooh, look, washing-up water let’s make ‘wine’ out of it.

Common denominator: they were appalling.

In the 17th and 18th century, they made a thing called “Cock Ale”. It was used as a medicine, with the assumption that the strength, courage and vigour of the rooster would be imparted to the drinker.

Take ten gallons of ale, and a large cock, the older the better; parboil the cock, flay him, and stamp him in a stone mortar till his bones are broken (you must craw and gut him when you flay him); then put the cock into two quarts of sack, and put it to three pounds of raisins of the sun stoned, some blades of mace, and a few cloves; put all these into a canvas bag, and a little before you find the ale has done working, put the ale and bag together into a vessel; in a week or nine days time bottle it up; fill the bottle but just above the neck, and give the same time to ripen as other ale.
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Date: 14/06/2024 15:36:11
From: dv
ID: 2164803
Subject: re: today I learned

The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

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Date: 14/06/2024 15:42:28
From: kii
ID: 2164804
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

Why would anybody do this!?

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Date: 14/06/2024 15:51:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2164808
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLlSEN1jlI

Link

she says it like this. still, accents and dialects make the language interesting. No need to go all Gell-Mann about it.

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Date: 14/06/2024 16:01:34
From: Tamb
ID: 2164814
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLlSEN1jlI

Link

she says it like this. still, accents and dialects make the language interesting. No need to go all Gell-Mann about it.


I wonder how she recommends pronouncing mirror.

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Date: 14/06/2024 16:11:35
From: Cymek
ID: 2164817
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLlSEN1jlI

Link

she says it like this. still, accents and dialects make the language interesting. No need to go all Gell-Mann about it.


I wonder how she recommends pronouncing mirror.

Some of them pronounce caramel, as carmel and fuck its annoying

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Date: 14/06/2024 16:30:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2164820
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLlSEN1jlI

Link

she says it like this. still, accents and dialects make the language interesting. No need to go all Gell-Mann about it.


I wonder how she recommends pronouncing mirror.

Murrrr

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Date: 14/06/2024 16:32:13
From: Tamb
ID: 2164822
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLlSEN1jlI

Link

she says it like this. still, accents and dialects make the language interesting. No need to go all Gell-Mann about it.


I wonder how she recommends pronouncing mirror.

Murrrr


Give that man a top hat!

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Date: 14/06/2024 16:54:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2164828
Subject: re: today I learned

Shortly before (possibly even the day prior) HMS Hood sailed toward her destruction at the
Battle of the Denmark Strait on May 24, 1941, Royal Navy Petty Officer John Devon Roland
Pertwee was called to his commander’s office onboard, and told he had passed his qualification
test to enter officer training.

Thinking he would leave for training after Hood returned from hunting Bismarck, Pertwee was
surprised to be ordered to depart the ship for training immediately.

The orders most likely saved his life. When the Hood went down in battle shortly afterward,
only three of her crew survived.

When his training was complete, Pertwee received his commission and was sent to work in
British Intelligence, where he later recalled meeting “James Bond” author Ian Fleming and
teaching agents how to use Bond-esque spy tools.

After the war, Pertwee returned to his prewar penchant for acting, playing many parts on radio,
stage, film, and television, including perhaps his most famous role as the Third Doctor in the
“Doctor Who” series from 1970 to 1974.
He died in 1996.
_________________________________
Text copyright ©2024
Historia Obscurum

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Date: 14/06/2024 17:14:10
From: dv
ID: 2164831
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

The most common US pronunciation of suggest has a hard g sound followed by a j sound. Like sug-jest.

Why would anybody do this!?

IDK but it’s the primary pronunciation given by Webster, and one of the two US variations given by OED.

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Date: 14/06/2024 17:15:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2164832
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Shortly before (possibly even the day prior) HMS Hood sailed toward her destruction at the
Battle of the Denmark Strait on May 24, 1941, Royal Navy Petty Officer John Devon Roland
Pertwee was called to his commander’s office onboard, and told he had passed his qualification
test to enter officer training.

Thinking he would leave for training after Hood returned from hunting Bismarck, Pertwee was
surprised to be ordered to depart the ship for training immediately.

The orders most likely saved his life. When the Hood went down in battle shortly afterward,
only three of her crew survived.

When his training was complete, Pertwee received his commission and was sent to work in
British Intelligence, where he later recalled meeting “James Bond” author Ian Fleming and
teaching agents how to use Bond-esque spy tools.

After the war, Pertwee returned to his prewar penchant for acting, playing many parts on radio,
stage, film, and television, including perhaps his most famous role as the Third Doctor in the
“Doctor Who” series from 1970 to 1974.
He died in 1996.
_________________________________
Text copyright ©2024
Historia Obscurum


Pertwee’s predecessor as Doctor, Patrick Troughton, was also a Navy lad.

>In 1940, Troughton enlisted with the Royal Navy, receiving a commission with the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve in November 1941. He was deployed on East Coast Convoy duty from February to August 1941, and then with Coastal Forces’ Motor Gun Boats based at Great Yarmouth from November 1942 to 1945, operating in the North Sea and English Channel.

During his service with the MGBs, he was on one occasion involved in an action against Kriegsmarine E-boats which resulted in one of the enemy craft being destroyed by ramming, whilst Troughton’s boat and another destroyed two more with their gunfire.

His decorations included the 1939–45 Star, the Atlantic Star, and was mentioned in dispatches “for outstanding courage, leadership and skill in many daring attacks on enemy shipping in hostile waters”. He used to wear a tea cosy on his head in cold weather in the North Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Troughton

He’s the highlighted officer in this snap, and below that, at sea with a tea cosy on his head.

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Date: 14/06/2024 17:19:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2164835
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Shortly before (possibly even the day prior) HMS Hood sailed toward her destruction at the
Battle of the Denmark Strait on May 24, 1941, Royal Navy Petty Officer John Devon Roland
Pertwee was called to his commander’s office onboard, and told he had passed his qualification
test to enter officer training.

Thinking he would leave for training after Hood returned from hunting Bismarck, Pertwee was
surprised to be ordered to depart the ship for training immediately.

The orders most likely saved his life. When the Hood went down in battle shortly afterward,
only three of her crew survived.

When his training was complete, Pertwee received his commission and was sent to work in
British Intelligence, where he later recalled meeting “James Bond” author Ian Fleming and
teaching agents how to use Bond-esque spy tools.

After the war, Pertwee returned to his prewar penchant for acting, playing many parts on radio,
stage, film, and television, including perhaps his most famous role as the Third Doctor in the
“Doctor Who” series from 1970 to 1974.
He died in 1996.
_________________________________
Text copyright ©2024
Historia Obscurum


Well I was penciled in on standby to go on the ill fated Columbia Space Shuttle.
sucks air in through teeth
I think we can all count our blessings that no one called in sick.

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Date: 14/06/2024 17:21:19
From: dv
ID: 2164837
Subject: re: today I learned

I have no complaint about US pronunciations. Let a thousand blossoms bloom.

This is just one I wasn’t aware of.

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Date: 14/06/2024 17:22:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2164838
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Shortly before (possibly even the day prior) HMS Hood sailed toward her destruction at the
Battle of the Denmark Strait on May 24, 1941, Royal Navy Petty Officer John Devon Roland
Pertwee was called to his commander’s office onboard, and told he had passed his qualification
test to enter officer training.

Thinking he would leave for training after Hood returned from hunting Bismarck, Pertwee was
surprised to be ordered to depart the ship for training immediately.

The orders most likely saved his life. When the Hood went down in battle shortly afterward,
only three of her crew survived.

When his training was complete, Pertwee received his commission and was sent to work in
British Intelligence, where he later recalled meeting “James Bond” author Ian Fleming and
teaching agents how to use Bond-esque spy tools.

After the war, Pertwee returned to his prewar penchant for acting, playing many parts on radio,
stage, film, and television, including perhaps his most famous role as the Third Doctor in the
“Doctor Who” series from 1970 to 1974.
He died in 1996.
_________________________________
Text copyright ©2024
Historia Obscurum


Me too, now.

Ta.

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Date: 15/06/2024 13:51:37
From: dv
ID: 2165102
Subject: re: today I learned

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

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Date: 15/06/2024 13:57:12
From: Kingy
ID: 2165104
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

TIL I should have been named George.

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Date: 15/06/2024 13:58:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2165105
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

Ta.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:02:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2165109
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

TIL I should have been named George.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPdHaNr0OAY

Link

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:02:45
From: dv
ID: 2165110
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

TIL I should have been named George.

We’ll call you King George from now on.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:02:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2165111
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

funny you you have posted that as I had Georgia on my mind.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:04:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2165114
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

funny you you have posted that as I had Georgia on my mind.

that you, should read.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:07:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2165116
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Kingy said:

dv said:

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

TIL I should have been named George.

We’ll call you King George from now on.

Whereas dv who should also have been called George will have to be George de Fifth.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:10:21
From: btm
ID: 2165117
Subject: re: today I learned

I hired a European woman to clean my house, but it took her 15 hours just to do the hoovering. Turns out she was a Slovak.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:24:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2165125
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

Nice.

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:26:24
From: Tamb
ID: 2165126
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Kingy said:

TIL I should have been named George.

We’ll call you King George from now on.

Whereas dv who should also have been called George will have to be George de Fifth.

Much better than Dicky D Shit. (Richard the Turd Third

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Date: 15/06/2024 14:42:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2165130
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

Nice.

I guess you’ll have to be George the Fifth as well.

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Date: 15/06/2024 22:30:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2165198
Subject: re: today I learned

This structure has been built by spiders for reproduction and it’s called a Silkhenge.

It typically consists of a central “spire” constructed of spider silk, containing one to two eggs, surrounded by a
sort of fence of silk in a circle.

Silkhenges were discovered in 2013 by Georgia Tech student Troy Alexander. He posted a picture on
Reddit asking for help identifying it.

No information was forthcoming, as this turned out to be a completely unknown phenomenon.
His discovery acquired the name “silkhenge” because of its similarity to Stonehenge.

At the end of that year, an eight-day expedition led by Phil Torres found dozens more examples of this
phenomenon, generally on the trunks of bamboo and cecropia trees.

Interestingly, so far, the species of spiders building these structure are still unknown.

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Date: 16/06/2024 08:29:04
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2165221
Subject: re: today I learned

A plants amazing way to save itself, by calling for wasps.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e4UHNsnnxvY

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Date: 16/06/2024 09:30:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2165229
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


A plants amazing way to save itself, by calling for wasps.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e4UHNsnnxvY

That is tidy.

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Date: 16/06/2024 09:53:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2165246
Subject: re: today I learned

0, 6, 31, 80

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Date: 16/06/2024 09:56:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2165249
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

0, 6, 31, 80

Good start.

Learn 4 numbers a day and you’ll be up to 100 in less than a month.

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Date: 16/06/2024 10:29:18
From: Michael V
ID: 2165264
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Spiny Norman said:

A plants amazing way to save itself, by calling for wasps.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e4UHNsnnxvY

That is tidy.

Interesting.

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Date: 16/06/2024 13:32:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2165364
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/06/13/g-s1-4277/rats-africa-heroes-search-and-rescue-mines-tb

Link

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Date: 16/06/2024 13:38:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2165366
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/06/13/g-s1-4277/rats-africa-heroes-search-and-rescue-mines-tb

Link

Ben.

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Date: 16/06/2024 14:17:58
From: dv
ID: 2165399
Subject: re: today I learned


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Date: 16/06/2024 14:19:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2165402
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:




Have to say: as doodlers, Chick’s kids leave me in the dust.

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Date: 16/06/2024 14:19:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2165403
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:



Have to say: as doodlers, Chick’s kids leave me in the dust.

‘…Chuck’s kids…’

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Date: 16/06/2024 15:05:53
From: Ian
ID: 2165420
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 16/06/2024 15:07:38
From: Tamb
ID: 2165421
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:




In his day was it called A norange?

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Date: 17/06/2024 22:09:52
From: dv
ID: 2165740
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy

The Anarchy was a civil war in England and Normandy between 1138 and 1153, which resulted in a widespread breakdown in law and order. The conflict was a war of succession precipitated by the accidental death of William Adelin (the only legitimate son of King Henry I) who drowned in the White Ship disaster of 1120. Henry sought to be succeeded by his daughter, known as Empress Matilda, but was only partially successful in convincing the nobility to support her. On Henry’s death in 1135, his nephew Stephen of Blois seized the throne, with the help of Stephen’s brother Henry of Blois, who was the bishop of Winchester. Stephen’s early reign saw fierce fighting with disloyal English barons, rebellious Welsh leaders, and Scottish invaders. Following a major rebellion in the south-west of England, Matilda invaded in 1139 with the help of her half-brother Robert of Gloucester.

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Date: 18/06/2024 06:59:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2165754
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy

The Anarchy was a civil war in England and Normandy between 1138 and 1153, which resulted in a widespread breakdown in law and order. The conflict was a war of succession precipitated by the accidental death of William Adelin (the only legitimate son of King Henry I) who drowned in the White Ship disaster of 1120. Henry sought to be succeeded by his daughter, known as Empress Matilda, but was only partially successful in convincing the nobility to support her. On Henry’s death in 1135, his nephew Stephen of Blois seized the throne, with the help of Stephen’s brother Henry of Blois, who was the bishop of Winchester. Stephen’s early reign saw fierce fighting with disloyal English barons, rebellious Welsh leaders, and Scottish invaders. Following a major rebellion in the south-west of England, Matilda invaded in 1139 with the help of her half-brother Robert of Gloucester.

The White Ship disaster was headline news at the time. Packed with nobles, it sank soon after setting sail with a drunken crew, when it hit a submerged rock.

>Contemporary historian William of Malmesbury wrote:

No ship that ever sailed brought England such disaster, none was so well known the wide world over. There perished then with William the king’s other son Richard, born to him before his accession by a woman of the country, a high-spirited youth, whose devotion had earned his father’s love; Richard earl of Chester and his brother Othuel, the guardian and tutor of the king’s son; the king’s daughter the countess of Perche, and his niece, Theobald’s sister, the countess of Chester; besides all the choicest knights and chaplains of the court, and the nobles’ sons who were candidates for knighthood, for they had hastened from all sides to join him, as I have said, expecting no small gain in reputation if they could show the king’s son some sport or do him some service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ship

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Date: 18/06/2024 08:25:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2165763
Subject: re: today I learned

of Grete Hermann:

“She studied with Emmy Noether, and went on to work on the foundations of quantum mechanics with Weizsacker and Heisenberg as well as making many contributions in pure mathematics.

On reading von Neumann’s proof, she was not at all intimidated by his reputation in the way others were, and in 1935 she carefully and precisely pointed out its limitations. In fact, she did so rather more carefully and directly than Bell’s commentary thirty years later.

Nonetheless, her work was totally ignored for 30 years, and everyone continued to cite von Neumann’s proof as showing the general impossibility of hidden variables theories.

The history of QM might well have been quite different if people had paid attention to her.”

From: https://www.quora.com/Does-von-Neumanns-theorem-1932-about-the-absence-of-hidden-parameters-in-quantum-mechanics-imply-the-coincidence-of-model-and-reality

and TATE agrees

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Date: 18/06/2024 08:36:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2165766
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Grete Hermann:

“She studied with Emmy Noether, and went on to work on the foundations of quantum mechanics with Weizsacker and Heisenberg as well as making many contributions in pure mathematics.

On reading von Neumann’s proof, she was not at all intimidated by his reputation in the way others were, and in 1935 she carefully and precisely pointed out its limitations. In fact, she did so rather more carefully and directly than Bell’s commentary thirty years later.

Nonetheless, her work was totally ignored for 30 years, and everyone continued to cite von Neumann’s proof as showing the general impossibility of hidden variables theories.

The history of QM might well have been quite different if people had paid attention to her.”

From: https://www.quora.com/Does-von-Neumanns-theorem-1932-about-the-absence-of-hidden-parameters-in-quantum-mechanics-imply-the-coincidence-of-model-and-reality

and TATE agrees

shakes fist at fools

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Date: 18/06/2024 08:59:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2165781
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Grete Hermann:

“She studied with Emmy Noether, and went on to work on the foundations of quantum mechanics with Weizsacker and Heisenberg as well as making many contributions in pure mathematics.

On reading von Neumann’s proof, she was not at all intimidated by his reputation in the way others were, and in 1935 she carefully and precisely pointed out its limitations. In fact, she did so rather more carefully and directly than Bell’s commentary thirty years later.

Nonetheless, her work was totally ignored for 30 years, and everyone continued to cite von Neumann’s proof as showing the general impossibility of hidden variables theories.

The history of QM might well have been quite different if people had paid attention to her.”

From: https://www.quora.com/Does-von-Neumanns-theorem-1932-about-the-absence-of-hidden-parameters-in-quantum-mechanics-imply-the-coincidence-of-model-and-reality

and TATE agrees

Thanks.

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Date: 18/06/2024 09:32:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2165799
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Grete Hermann:

“She studied with Emmy Noether, and went on to work on the foundations of quantum mechanics with Weizsacker and Heisenberg as well as making many contributions in pure mathematics.

On reading von Neumann’s proof, she was not at all intimidated by his reputation in the way others were, and in 1935 she carefully and precisely pointed out its limitations. In fact, she did so rather more carefully and directly than Bell’s commentary thirty years later.

Nonetheless, her work was totally ignored for 30 years, and everyone continued to cite von Neumann’s proof as showing the general impossibility of hidden variables theories.

The history of QM might well have been quite different if people had paid attention to her.”

From: https://www.quora.com/Does-von-Neumanns-theorem-1932-about-the-absence-of-hidden-parameters-in-quantum-mechanics-imply-the-coincidence-of-model-and-reality

and TATE agrees

shakes fist at fools

but what if they’d identify as males, if only great women had identified as men

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Date: 19/06/2024 07:22:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2165996
Subject: re: today I learned

Megasyllis nipponica takes this to an extreme, developing stolons with their own eyes, antennae and brain which detach and mate with an opposite-sex stolon to produce fertilized eggs.

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Date: 19/06/2024 15:56:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2166202
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1950, 50% of British learner drivers failed their driving test at the first attempt.

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Date: 19/06/2024 16:23:53
From: dv
ID: 2166209
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


In 1950, 50% of British learner drivers failed their driving test at the first attempt.

That is the piece of information ever.

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Date: 20/06/2024 01:44:07
From: dv
ID: 2166393
Subject: re: today I learned

The Ouija board was invented in 1890 by the Kennard Novelty Company. The trademark was subsequently bought by Parker Brothers and then by Hasbro, who still possess the trademark today.

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Date: 20/06/2024 05:06:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2166395
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

The Ouija board was invented in 1890 by the Kennard Novelty Company. The trademark was subsequently bought by Parker Brothers and then by Hasbro, who still possess the trademark today.

So we really will be communing with spirits of the dead¡

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Date: 21/06/2024 09:33:04
From: Arts
ID: 2166773
Subject: re: today I learned

this thing that I am guilty of doing… that, right there… see I did it again…

is called the ‘boomer ellipses’.

and it’s came from the dark times where we used to be charged per text message and had to fit all our thoughts in the one text… but kids these days use a different text per thought.. which is why you see them with texts messages like this:

Hi Mum

what time is dinner?

I will be going out later and just want to know

Love you

with each message being a whole new text… and the advice to the kids today is to say don’t be mad at the boomers for using the ‘boomer ellipses’ it’s just the way they were raised… so there you go .

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Date: 21/06/2024 09:38:13
From: kii
ID: 2166774
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


this thing that I am guilty of doing… that, right there… see I did it again…

is called the ‘boomer ellipses’.

and it’s came from the dark times where we used to be charged per text message and had to fit all our thoughts in the one text… but kids these days use a different text per thought.. which is why you see them with texts messages like this:

Hi Mum

what time is dinner?

I will be going out later and just want to know

Love you

with each message being a whole new text… and the advice to the kids today is to say don’t be mad at the boomers for using the ‘boomer ellipses’ it’s just the way they were raised… so there you go .

People can just fuck off. I know some people here tried to make fun of ellipses, that’s their problem. I use them as a tool for my ADHD thinking process, plus I love them.

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Date: 21/06/2024 09:41:51
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2166778
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


this thing that I am guilty of doing… that, right there… see I did it again…

is called the ‘boomer ellipses’.

and it’s came from the dark times where we used to be charged per text message and had to fit all our thoughts in the one text… but kids these days use a different text per thought.. which is why you see them with texts messages like this:

Hi Mum

what time is dinner?

I will be going out later and just want to know

Love you

with each message being a whole new text… and the advice to the kids today is to say don’t be mad at the boomers for using the ‘boomer ellipses’ it’s just the way they were raised… so there you go .

I use them. but not a oft as some.

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Date: 21/06/2024 09:46:33
From: Arts
ID: 2166783
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Arts said:

this thing that I am guilty of doing… that, right there… see I did it again…

is called the ‘boomer ellipses’.

and it’s came from the dark times where we used to be charged per text message and had to fit all our thoughts in the one text… but kids these days use a different text per thought.. which is why you see them with texts messages like this:

Hi Mum

what time is dinner?

I will be going out later and just want to know

Love you

with each message being a whole new text… and the advice to the kids today is to say don’t be mad at the boomers for using the ‘boomer ellipses’ it’s just the way they were raised… so there you go .

People can just fuck off. I know some people here tried to make fun of ellipses, that’s their problem. I use them as a tool for my ADHD thinking process, plus I love them.

I like them too.. not because of this alleged origin story, but because they add pause… and. so. on. … . . . … .. . …. .. .. . . . .

Alos, I don’t care what people think of what I do. But it’s still an interesting origin story and goes one step further to explain changes in modern communication.

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Date: 21/06/2024 09:57:46
From: ruby
ID: 2166791
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


kii said:

Arts said:

this thing that I am guilty of doing… that, right there… see I did it again…

is called the ‘boomer ellipses’.

and it’s came from the dark times where we used to be charged per text message and had to fit all our thoughts in the one text… but kids these days use a different text per thought.. which is why you see them with texts messages like this:

Hi Mum

what time is dinner?

I will be going out later and just want to know

Love you

with each message being a whole new text… and the advice to the kids today is to say don’t be mad at the boomers for using the ‘boomer ellipses’ it’s just the way they were raised… so there you go .

People can just fuck off. I know some people here tried to make fun of ellipses, that’s their problem. I use them as a tool for my ADHD thinking process, plus I love them.

I like them too.. not because of this alleged origin story, but because they add pause… and. so. on. … . . . … .. . …. .. .. . . . .

Alos, I don’t care what people think of what I do. But it’s still an interesting origin story and goes one step further to explain changes in modern communication.

I learnt the use of ellipses from my charming Irishman as we swapped emails. The ‘pause for thought’ aspect of them made me adopt them too. I like the simplicity of that row of dots instead of words

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Date: 21/06/2024 10:20:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2166807
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Arts said:

kii said:

People can just fuck off. I know some people here tried to make fun of ellipses, that’s their problem. I use them as a tool for my ADHD thinking process, plus I love them.

I like them too.. not because of this alleged origin story, but because they add pause… and. so. on. … . . . … .. . …. .. .. . . . .

Alos, I don’t care what people think of what I do. But it’s still an interesting origin story and goes one step further to explain changes in modern communication.

I learnt the use of ellipses from my charming Irishman as we swapped emails. The ‘pause for thought’ aspect of them made me adopt them too. I like the simplicity of that row of dots instead of words

I’ve been ussing them … for years.

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Date: 21/06/2024 18:14:09
From: dv
ID: 2166988
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 22/06/2024 11:37:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2167193
Subject: re: today I learned

…, or perhaps re-learned that Archimedes wrote:

“But Aristarchus has brought out a book consisting of certain hypotheses, wherein it appears, as a consequence of the assumptions made, that the universe is many times greater than the “universe” just mentioned. His hypotheses are that the fixed stars and the sun remain unmoved, that the earth revolves about the sun on the circumference of a circle, the sun lying in the middle of the orbit, and that the sphere of the fixed stars, situated about the same centre as the sun, is so great that the circle in which he supposes the earth to revolve bears such a proportion to the distance of the fixed stars as the centre of the sphere bears to its surface.”

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:03:51
From: dv
ID: 2167493
Subject: re: today I learned

The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:05:12
From: Tamb
ID: 2167494
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

So there are 5 Horses?

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:08:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2167496
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

So there are 5 Horses?

I’m more interested with the idea of Conquest being separate from War.

Must have been a lot more behind-the-scenes skullduggery than i’d have imagined before 1906.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:10:34
From: Tamb
ID: 2167498
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

So there are 5 Horses?

I’m more interested with the idea of Conquest being separate from War.

Must have been a lot more behind-the-scenes skullduggery than i’d have imagined before 1906.

A fair bit of usurping went on. Sort of internal conquest.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:12:39
From: Tamb
ID: 2167500
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

So there are 5 Horses?

I’m more interested with the idea of Conquest being separate from War.

Must have been a lot more behind-the-scenes skullduggery than i’d have imagined before 1906.

A fair bit of usurping went on. Sort of internal conquest.


Without the war.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:22:26
From: dv
ID: 2167503
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

So there are 5 Horses?

No

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:22:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2167504
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

Who’s responsible for that I wonder.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:27:29
From: Tamb
ID: 2167506
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

The idea that one of the four Horses of the Apocalypse is Pestillence arose in the 20th century, with no cites before 1906. The text of Revelations specifies that the horses are Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

So there are 5 Horses?

No

Conquest, War, Famine, Death & Pestilence. Looks like 5 to me.
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Date: 23/06/2024 13:29:21
From: OCDC
ID: 2167508
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:

dv said:
Tamb said:
So there are 5 Horses?
No
Conquest, War, Famine, Death & Pestilence. Looks like 5 to me.
Maybe one of them is dinking another.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:30:17
From: dv
ID: 2167509
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

So there are 5 Horses?

No

Conquest, War, Famine, Death & Pestilence. Looks like 5 to me.

Pestilence as a Horseman of the Apocalypse is a modern trope.

You can either choose the Biblical Four (CWFD) or the modern four (WFPD). You can’t double dip.

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Date: 23/06/2024 13:34:03
From: Tamb
ID: 2167512
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

No

Conquest, War, Famine, Death & Pestilence. Looks like 5 to me.

Pestilence as a Horseman of the Apocalypse is a modern trope.

You can either choose the Biblical Four (CWFD) or the modern four (WFPD). You can’t double dip.


Maybe the Biblical lot didn’t believe in Pestilence. Thought it was Satan’s work.

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Date: 23/06/2024 15:30:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2167553
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m more interested with the idea of Conquest being separate from War.

Must have been a lot more behind-the-scenes skullduggery than i’d have imagined before 1906.

A fair bit of usurping went on. Sort of internal conquest.


Without the war.

So economic globalism with massive economies of scale, and panda diplomacy, are riding a horse together.

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Date: 24/06/2024 09:58:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2167704
Subject: re: today I learned

Miners using an “aerial tram” to descend into the Kimberly Diamond Mine
in South Africa, ca. 1885.

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Date: 24/06/2024 10:01:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2167705
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Miners using an “aerial tram” to descend into the Kimberly Diamond Mine
in South Africa, ca. 1885.

All the fun of the fair.

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Date: 24/06/2024 10:29:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2167714
Subject: re: today I learned

Volkswagen Original Part”: 199 398 500 A

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Date: 24/06/2024 14:16:59
From: dv
ID: 2167808
Subject: re: today I learned

The first overseas deployment of military forces from Australia was in 1860, in the 1st Taranaki War against the Maori forces. Only one ship was sent, the HMCSS Victoria.

In those days, five of the colonies had separate navies.
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Date: 24/06/2024 18:07:50
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2167855
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/Durianriders/videos/505083378515712

Link

Exposing the 3D printed bike industry in SE Asia.

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:05:35
From: dv
ID: 2168102
Subject: re: today I learned

The song by Ingram and McDonald that I thought was called I will be There, is called Yah No B There.

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:09:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168104
Subject: re: today I learned

Bindi Irwin’s joyous Tasmanian family holiday photos were sure to be on the radar of US celebrity watching media — the trouble is, they don’t seem to know the difference between Tasmania and Tanzania,

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:17:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2168107
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The song by Ingram and McDonald that I thought was called I will be There, is called Yah No B There.

Roger.

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:19:11
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2168108
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bindi Irwin’s joyous Tasmanian family holiday photos were sure to be on the radar of US celebrity watching media — the trouble is, they don’t seem to know the difference between Tasmania and Tanzania,

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:21:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168110
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


roughbarked said:

Bindi Irwin’s joyous Tasmanian family holiday photos were sure to be on the radar of US celebrity watching media — the trouble is, they don’t seem to know the difference between Tasmania and Tanzania,


;)

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:21:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168111
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


roughbarked said:

Bindi Irwin’s joyous Tasmanian family holiday photos were sure to be on the radar of US celebrity watching media — the trouble is, they don’t seem to know the difference between Tasmania and Tanzania,


;)

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:21:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2168112
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The song by Ingram and McDonald that I thought was called I will be There, is called Yah No B There.

Roger.

Roger who?

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:22:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168113
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The song by Ingram and McDonald that I thought was called I will be There, is called Yah No B There.

Roger.

Roger who?

Moore

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:27:24
From: Neophyte
ID: 2168118
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The song by Ingram and McDonald that I thought was called I will be There, is called Yah No B There.

Roger.

Roger who?

Braintree, when PWM’s involved.

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:28:17
From: dv
ID: 2168119
Subject: re: today I learned

*Mo

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:47:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168123
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:

roughbarked said:

Bindi Irwin’s joyous Tasmanian family holiday photos were sure to be on the radar of US celebrity watching media — the trouble is, they don’t seem to know the difference between Tasmania and Tanzania,


;)

We mean fair enough, like its neighbouring region AUS it was under German control last millennium.

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Date: 25/06/2024 16:52:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168124
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Dark Orange said:


;)

We mean fair enough, like its neighbouring region AUS it was under German control last millennium.

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:11:01
From: Kingy
ID: 2168131
Subject: re: today I learned

About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:15:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168132
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

and they are less likely to burst into flames?

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:47:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2168138
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

Unfortunately the chap with the wherewithal on this sort of thing is no longer with us.
His input was valuable, he took the time to do the sums and he was for the most part impartial.
Sadly missed.

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:50:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2168140
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Kingy said:

About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

Unfortunately the chap with the wherewithal on this sort of thing is no longer with us.
His input was valuable, he took the time to do the sums and he was for the most part impartial.
Sadly missed.

I raise my glass in his memory, and in memory of his missus.

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:51:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168143
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

and they are less likely to burst into flames?

Well yes, as they admit with honesty there, it’s just fn rust. Without aluminium.

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:51:40
From: dv
ID: 2168144
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Kingy said:

About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

Unfortunately the chap with the wherewithal on this sort of thing is no longer with us.
His input was valuable, he took the time to do the sums and he was for the most part impartial.
Sadly missed.

Zinc

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:54:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168147
Subject: re: today I learned

hydrocarbon neosynthesis

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:55:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2168148
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

hydrocarbon neosynthesis

makes note

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Date: 25/06/2024 17:58:07
From: dv
ID: 2168151
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

hydrocarbon neosynthesis

I’m not a big fan of anime

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Date: 26/06/2024 03:09:15
From: dv
ID: 2168299
Subject: re: today I learned

Speaking of former Steely Dan members, the correct name for the Fagan song that says “What a beautiful world this will be” is I.G.Y., standing for International Geophysical Year.

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Date: 26/06/2024 07:01:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2168302
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Kingy said:

About iron/air batteries in large scale grid systems.

https://energypost.eu/iron-air-batteries-long-duration-grid-storage-targets-1-10th-the-cost-of-lithium-ion/

Unfortunately the chap with the wherewithal on this sort of thing is no longer with us.
His input was valuable, he took the time to do the sums and he was for the most part impartial.
Sadly missed.

I raise my glass in his memory, and in memory of his missus.


I’ve only fot coffee but I too will raise my cup in the memory of sibeen and his lifetime partner.

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:16:38
From: dv
ID: 2168335
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Speaking of former Steely Dan members, the correct name for the Fagan song that says “What a beautiful world this will be” is I.G.Y., standing for International Geophysical Year.

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:21:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168338
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

Speaking of former Steely Dan members, the correct name for the Fagan song that says “What a beautiful world this will be” is I.G.Y., standing for International Geophysical Year.

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:31:00
From: dv
ID: 2168348
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

dv said:

Speaking of former Steely Dan members, the correct name for the Fagan song that says “What a beautiful world this will be” is I.G.Y., standing for International Geophysical Year.

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

Lot of people have wondered this about Tom Jones over the years

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:32:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2168349
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

Lot of people have wondered this about Tom Jones over the years

nah, he’s just Welsh.

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:36:47
From: Cymek
ID: 2168353
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

Lot of people have wondered this about Tom Jones over the years

And that Michael guy

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:44:56
From: Michael V
ID: 2168357
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

Lot of people have wondered this about Tom Jones over the years

And that Michael guy

LOL

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Date: 26/06/2024 10:52:31
From: kii
ID: 2168360
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

dv said:

Speaking of former Steely Dan members, the correct name for the Fagan song that says “What a beautiful world this will be” is I.G.Y., standing for International Geophysical Year.

Further speaking of former Steely Dan members, I was in my teens when I found out Michael McDonald was white, and I felt a bit stupid about that, but he has a very full soulful voice in the upper register.

So I was glad to find out that it wasn’t just me. Anthony Mackie:
https://youtu.be/AwEZoxSlvvI?si=mYcq8LhC1n1Pkbhb

I used to assume J.J.Cale was black.

Oh, that’s hilarious 😂

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Date: 26/06/2024 13:03:05
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2168391
Subject: re: today I learned

The Kantarat Golf Course is located between the main runways at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok.

https://www.golflux.com/course/kantarat-golf-course/

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Date: 26/06/2024 13:16:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2168403
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The Kantarat Golf Course is located between the main runways at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok.

https://www.golflux.com/course/kantarat-golf-course/


Yeah, i’ve seen that.

Thought to myself, what could possibly go wrong?

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Date: 26/06/2024 13:24:45
From: dv
ID: 2168410
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The Kantarat Golf Course is located between the main runways at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok.

https://www.golflux.com/course/kantarat-golf-course/


I wonder whether planes ever get donked by drives

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Date: 26/06/2024 13:43:50
From: Ian
ID: 2168423
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The Kantarat Golf Course is located between the main runways at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok.

https://www.golflux.com/course/kantarat-golf-course/


Golf course ranked 3rd out of top 10..

Must get points for “close to transport”

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Date: 26/06/2024 14:48:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2168442
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The Kantarat Golf Course is located between the main runways at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok.

https://www.golflux.com/course/kantarat-golf-course/


Doesn’t seem to be particularly safe.

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Date: 26/06/2024 19:48:02
From: dv
ID: 2168526
Subject: re: today I learned

agonist

1.
Someone involved in a contest or battle (as in an agon), protagonist.

2.
The muscle that contracts while the other relaxes.
When bending the elbow, the biceps is the agonist.

3. (biochemistry, pharmacology)
A molecule that can combine with a receptor on a cell to produce a physiological reaction.
Acetylcholine is an agonist at the cholinergic receptor.

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Date: 26/06/2024 20:15:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168535
Subject: re: today I learned

semantics

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Date: 27/06/2024 13:46:39
From: dv
ID: 2168776
Subject: re: today I learned

The song “Heigh Ho” from the Disney movie Snow White does not include the lyrics “it’s off to work we go”.

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Date: 27/06/2024 14:11:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2168788
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The song “Heigh Ho” from the Disney movie Snow White does not include the lyrics “it’s off to work we go”.

Does own research.

This one disagrees:
https://www.songlyrics.com/snow-white-and-the-7-dwarfs/hi-ho-hi-ho-its-off-to-work-we-go!!-lyrics/

Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get rich quick
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
In the Mines (Echo: In the mines)
LOUDER: IN THE MINES
Where a million diamonds
LONG: Shhhiiinnnneee (shine)
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
From early mornin’ til’ night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Up everything in sight
We take our time
Then find some more
There’s thousands to be sometime born
And We dont know what we dig them for
We dig dig diga dig dig
——lightly sounding music plays——-
- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW:::::

Bell Rings: Hi hoooo, Hi hooooo, HI hoooooooo, Hi hooooo, Hi hooooooooooooo:: Hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
Whistles: do do do do dodododo
Hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
hi ho
Whistles:
Hi HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO thumb, hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho
Its home from work we go————-
Repeat till end

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Date: 27/06/2024 14:25:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168800
Subject: re: today I learned

Yes, there are two scenes that feature the song – one where they’re knocking off and one where it’s “off to work we go”.

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Date: 27/06/2024 14:39:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168808
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Yes, there are two scenes that feature the song – one where they’re knocking off and one where it’s “off to work we go”.

Internets say NO.

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Date: 27/06/2024 14:53:23
From: dv
ID: 2168813
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The song “Heigh Ho” from the Disney movie Snow White does not include the lyrics “it’s off to work we go”.

Does own research.

This one disagrees:
https://www.songlyrics.com/snow-white-and-the-7-dwarfs/hi-ho-hi-ho-its-off-to-work-we-go!!-lyrics/

Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get rich quick
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
In the Mines (Echo: In the mines)
LOUDER: IN THE MINES
Where a million diamonds
LONG: Shhhiiinnnneee (shine)
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
From early mornin’ til’ night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Up everything in sight
We take our time
Then find some more
There’s thousands to be sometime born
And We dont know what we dig them for
We dig dig diga dig dig
——lightly sounding music plays——-
- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW:::::

Bell Rings: Hi hoooo, Hi hooooo, HI hoooooooo, Hi hooooo, Hi hooooooooooooo:: Hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
Whistles: do do do do dodododo
Hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
hi ho
Whistles:
Hi HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO thumb, hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho
Its home from work we go————-
Repeat till end

They didn’t even get the title right.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:15:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2168814
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The song “Heigh Ho” from the Disney movie Snow White does not include the lyrics “it’s off to work we go”.

Does own research.

This one disagrees:
https://www.songlyrics.com/snow-white-and-the-7-dwarfs/hi-ho-hi-ho-its-off-to-work-we-go!!-lyrics/

Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get rich quick
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
In the Mines (Echo: In the mines)
LOUDER: IN THE MINES
Where a million diamonds
LONG: Shhhiiinnnneee (shine)
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
From early mornin’ til’ night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Up everything in sight
We take our time
Then find some more
There’s thousands to be sometime born
And We dont know what we dig them for
We dig dig diga dig dig
——lightly sounding music plays——-
- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW:::::

Bell Rings: Hi hoooo, Hi hooooo, HI hoooooooo, Hi hooooo, Hi hooooooooooooo:: Hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
Whistles: do do do do dodododo
Hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
hi ho
Whistles:
Hi HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO thumb, hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho
Its home from work we go————-
Repeat till end

They didn’t even get the title right.

Apart from which, I didn’t notice the line:

- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW::::

followed by:
Its home from work we go.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:32:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168815
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Does own research.

This one disagrees:
https://www.songlyrics.com/snow-white-and-the-7-dwarfs/hi-ho-hi-ho-its-off-to-work-we-go!!-lyrics/

Hi Ho Hi Ho , Its Off To Work We Go!!
We did dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
In our Mine the whole day through
To dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Its what we like to do
It aint no trick
To get rich quick
If ya dig dig dig
With a shovel or a stick
In the Mines (Echo: In the mines)
LOUDER: IN THE MINES
Where a million diamonds
LONG: Shhhiiinnnneee (shine)
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
From early mornin’ til’ night
We dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig
Up everything in sight
We take our time
Then find some more
There’s thousands to be sometime born
And We dont know what we dig them for
We dig dig diga dig dig
——lightly sounding music plays——-
- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW:::::

Bell Rings: Hi hoooo, Hi hooooo, HI hoooooooo, Hi hooooo, Hi hooooooooooooo:: Hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
Whistles: do do do do dodododo
Hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho Hi ho
Its home from work we go
hi ho
Whistles:
Hi HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO HI HO thumb, hi ho hi ho hi ho hi ho
Its home from work we go————-
Repeat till end

They didn’t even get the title right.

Apart from which, I didn’t notice the line:

- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW::::

followed by:
Its home from work we go.

But it’s not true, it’s all: home from work we go

No use saying “Damn, Disney could have had a big hit with “off to work we go”, ‘cos they did anyway.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:38:39
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2168817
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

They didn’t even get the title right.

Apart from which, I didn’t notice the line:

- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW::::

followed by:
Its home from work we go.

But it’s not true, it’s all: home from work we go

No use saying “Damn, Disney could have had a big hit with “off to work we go”, ‘cos they did anyway.

About a minute an a half in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYe-0CLXrs

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:42:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168818
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Apart from which, I didn’t notice the line:

- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW::::

followed by:
Its home from work we go.

But it’s not true, it’s all: home from work we go

No use saying “Damn, Disney could have had a big hit with “off to work we go”, ‘cos they did anyway.

About a minute an a half in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYe-0CLXrs

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:46:19
From: OCDC
ID: 2168819
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

Spiny Norman said:
Bubblecar said:
But it’s not true, it’s all: home from work we go

No use saying “Damn, Disney could have had a big hit with “off to work we go”, ‘cos they did anyway.

About a minute an a half in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYe-0CLXrs

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!
So it’s in the fillum but not the song.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:47:00
From: OCDC
ID: 2168820
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

The song “Heigh Ho” from the Disney movie Snow White does not include the lyrics “it’s off to work we go”.
And we see that DV’s comment is not false.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:50:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168821
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
About a minute an a half in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYe-0CLXrs

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!
So it’s in the fillum but not the song.

Yes but there’d be no song without the fillum, and that line is still sung, thus arguably part of a song, in the fillum.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:51:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168823
Subject: re: today I learned

Any those dwarfs are all dead by now so we’ll never hear the full story.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:54:03
From: OCDC
ID: 2168824
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:
Bubblecar said:
I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!
So it’s in the fillum but not the song.
Yes but there’d be no song without the fillum, and that line is still sung, thus arguably part of a song, in the fillum.
It is in song but not in the titled song.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:54:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168825
Subject: re: today I learned

semantics

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:54:46
From: OCDC
ID: 2168826
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

Any those dwarfs are all dead by now so we’ll never hear the full story.
In my house Doc and Grumpy live on as t-shirt decorations.

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Date: 27/06/2024 15:56:08
From: dv
ID: 2168827
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

They didn’t even get the title right.

Apart from which, I didn’t notice the line:

- THE VERY BEGINNING TO HI HO OFF TO WORK WE GO STARTS, NOW::::

followed by:
Its home from work we go.

But it’s not true, it’s all: home from work we go

No use saying “Damn, Disney could have had a big hit with “off to work we go”, ‘cos they did anyway.

Bcar is right of course, there is a later scene where they say those immortal words twice, but it is disconnected from the song that begins We dig dig etc.

This brief piece is included on the soundtrack LP as Heigh-Ho (reprise).

So I’ll stand corrected.

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:00:41
From: OCDC
ID: 2168831
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
So it’s in the fillum but not the song.
Yes but there’d be no song without the fillum, and that line is still sung, thus arguably part of a song, in the fillum.
It is in song but not in the titled song.
Or maybe it is…

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:07:42
From: dv
ID: 2168835
Subject: re: today I learned

No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:10:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168838
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Any those dwarfs are all dead by now so we’ll never hear the full story.

Any + Anyway

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:10:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2168839
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Any those dwarfs are all dead by now so we’ll never hear the full story.

Any + Anyway

+ = =

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:16:58
From: OCDC
ID: 2168841
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.

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Date: 27/06/2024 16:17:58
From: OCDC
ID: 2168842
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

dv said:
No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.
Also I’m on a carb bender.

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Date: 27/06/2024 17:07:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2168849
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


OCDC said:
dv said:
No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.
Also I’m on a carb bender.

I’ve been on one of those since about 1969.

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Date: 27/06/2024 19:39:24
From: dv
ID: 2168915
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


dv said:
No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.

Ceased employment or experiencing dysfunction?

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Date: 27/06/2024 19:53:37
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2168927
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

OCDC said:

dv said:

No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.

Ceased employment or experiencing dysfunction?

As An Economic Taxpaying Unit All Yous Slaves Should Know These Are The Same Thing

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Date: 28/06/2024 08:26:22
From: OCDC
ID: 2169024
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

OCDC said:
dv said:
No, OCDC’s stalwart defence has changed my mind again. The words are not in the song Heigh-Ho.

They are in Heigh-Ho (reprise).

Honestly I never knew you cared.

Ive changed since I stopped working.
Ceased employment or experiencing dysfunction?
Ceased employment secondary to dysfunction.

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Date: 29/06/2024 22:27:44
From: dv
ID: 2169856
Subject: re: today I learned

Paw Patrol is dubbed into British English for the British audience.

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Date: 29/06/2024 22:42:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2169857
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Paw Patrol is dubbed into British English for the British audience.

That’s thoughtful.

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Date: 30/06/2024 08:20:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2169928
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael Dorn, widely known as Worf, is not only an exceptional
actor but also an accomplished aviator-pilot. He has an impressive
collection of airplanes, including a T-33 Shooting Star, a Sabreliner,
a T’38 Talon, and the iconic F-86 Sabre, often referred to as the
“Mustang of fighter aircraft.” Dorn’s passion for aviation extends
beyond ownership, as he has flown with prestigious groups like the
Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds.

Additionally, he actively participates in aviation organizations, such
as the Air Force Aviation Heritage Foundation, where he serves on
the advisory board. Dorn’s expertise in the field has even led him to
contribute to the “Private Jets” episode of Modern Marvels on
The History Channel.

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Date: 30/06/2024 08:21:32
From: OCDC
ID: 2169930
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

Michael Dorn, widely known as Worf, is not only an exceptional
actor but also an accomplished aviator-pilot. He has an impressive
collection of airplanes, including a T-33 Shooting Star, a Sabreliner,
a T’38 Talon, and the iconic F-86 Sabre, often referred to as the
“Mustang of fighter aircraft.” Dorn’s passion for aviation extends
beyond ownership, as he has flown with prestigious groups like the
Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds.

Additionally, he actively participates in aviation organizations, such
as the Air Force Aviation Heritage Foundation, where he serves on
the advisory board. Dorn’s expertise in the field has even led him to
contribute to the “Private Jets” episode of Modern Marvels on
The History Channel.


Good.

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Date: 30/06/2024 08:49:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2169943
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve heard of Black Sabbath.

:-)

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Date: 30/06/2024 08:58:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2169948
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve heard of Black Sabbath.

:-)

Gee. So have I. :-)

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Date: 30/06/2024 09:03:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2169955
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’ve heard of Black Sabbath.

:-)

Gee. So have I. :-)

#metoo

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Date: 30/06/2024 09:03:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2169956
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

:-)

Gee. So have I. :-)

#metoo

do their lives matter

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Date: 30/06/2024 09:05:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2169957
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

Gee. So have I. :-)

#metoo

do their lives matter

Yes. To someone at least.

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Date: 4/07/2024 09:20:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2171218
Subject: re: today I learned

that the word truck, when used in the phrase “have no truck with” is from the early French word ‘troque’, which meant ‘an exchange; a barter’ and came into Middle English as ‘truke’.

Why it is only used in the negative, I do not know.

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Date: 4/07/2024 09:35:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2171223
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the word truck, when used in the phrase “have no truck with” is from the early French word ‘troque’, which meant ‘an exchange; a barter’ and came into Middle English as ‘truke’.

Why it is only used in the negative, I do not know.

Keep on trucking.
I disbelieve that it is only used in the negative.
You just haven’t seen a phrase “I will have truck”.

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Date: 4/07/2024 09:38:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 2171224
Subject: re: today I learned

A national research effort aimed at saving Australia’s iconic sea lions will look at cat faeces, heavy metals, microplastics, and climate change as possible culprits for the species’ continued decline.

If you want to read where I learned,

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Date: 4/07/2024 09:41:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2171225
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that the word truck, when used in the phrase “have no truck with” is from the early French word ‘troque’, which meant ‘an exchange; a barter’ and came into Middle English as ‘truke’.

Why it is only used in the negative, I do not know.

Keep on trucking.
I disbelieve that it is only used in the negative.
You just haven’t seen a phrase “I will have truck”.

Ah, but is that the same “truck”?

The Internet suggests otherwise.

Apart from which, it is a merkinism with which I will have no truck.

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Date: 4/07/2024 09:44:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2171226
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that the word truck, when used in the phrase “have no truck with” is from the early French word ‘troque’, which meant ‘an exchange; a barter’ and came into Middle English as ‘truke’.

Why it is only used in the negative, I do not know.

Keep on trucking.
I disbelieve that it is only used in the negative.
You just haven’t seen a phrase “I will have truck”.

Ah, but is that the same “truck”?

The Internet suggests otherwise.

Apart from which, it is a merkinism with which I will have no truck.

:) True enough for myself as well.

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Date: 4/07/2024 12:15:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2171290
Subject: re: today I learned

Metatrichia vesparia, found in New Hampshire last September, and photographed
in my home studio a few days ago. If myxos are well taken care of and properly
transported and stored, they will last virtually forever. These fruiting bodies are
about 2mm tall. The photo is a focus stack of about 230 images taken in my home
studio, captured with a 5x microscope objective adapted to my camera.

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Date: 4/07/2024 13:12:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2171333
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Metatrichia vesparia, found in New Hampshire last September, and photographed
in my home studio a few days ago. If myxos are well taken care of and properly
transported and stored, they will last virtually forever. These fruiting bodies are
about 2mm tall. The photo is a focus stack of about 230 images taken in my home
studio, captured with a 5x microscope objective adapted to my camera.

Nice.

Slime mould.

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Date: 4/07/2024 13:13:51
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2171338
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Metatrichia vesparia, found in New Hampshire last September, and photographed
in my home studio a few days ago. If myxos are well taken care of and properly
transported and stored, they will last virtually forever. These fruiting bodies are
about 2mm tall. The photo is a focus stack of about 230 images taken in my home
studio, captured with a 5x microscope objective adapted to my camera.

Nice.

Slime mould.

Oi! Who are you calling a slime mould!?

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Date: 4/07/2024 13:19:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2171343
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Metatrichia vesparia, found in New Hampshire last September, and photographed
in my home studio a few days ago. If myxos are well taken care of and properly
transported and stored, they will last virtually forever. These fruiting bodies are
about 2mm tall. The photo is a focus stack of about 230 images taken in my home
studio, captured with a 5x microscope objective adapted to my camera.

Nice.

Slime mould.

Oi! Who are you calling a slime mould!?

That thing in the image.

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Date: 4/07/2024 13:33:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2171354
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Metatrichia vesparia, found in New Hampshire last September, and photographed
in my home studio a few days ago. If myxos are well taken care of and properly
transported and stored, they will last virtually forever. These fruiting bodies are
about 2mm tall. The photo is a focus stack of about 230 images taken in my home
studio, captured with a 5x microscope objective adapted to my camera.

Thank you Alison.

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Date: 4/07/2024 19:07:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2171484
Subject: re: today I learned

ANU literally couple kilometre up road from UC

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:22:22
From: OCDC
ID: 2171650
Subject: re: today I learned

Mammalian mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is thought to be strictly maternally inherited.1,2 Sperm mitochondria disappear in early embryogenesis by selective destruction, inactivation, or simple dilution by the vast surplus of oocyte mitochondria.3
Very small amounts of paternally inherited mtDNA have been detected by the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) in mice after several generations of interspecific backcrosses.4 Studies of such hybrids and of mouse oocytes microinjected with sperm support the hypothesis that sperm mitochondria are targeted for destruction by nuclear-encoded proteins.5–7 We report the case of a 28-year-old man with mitochondrial myopathy due to a novel 2-bp mtDNA deletion in the ND2 gene (also known as MTND2), which encodes a subunit of the enzyme complex I of the mitochondrial respiratory chain. We determined that the mtDNA harboring the mutation was paternal in origin and accounted for 90 percent of the patient’s muscle mtDNA.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa020350

This article was published after I completed my genetics major, on which fact I blame my tardiness.

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:37:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2171657
Subject: re: today I learned

At William the Conqueror’s funeral in 1087:

>…A further indignity occurred when the corpse was lowered into the tomb.

The corpse was too large for the space, and when attendants forced the body into the tomb it burst, spreading a disgusting odour throughout the church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Death_and_aftermath

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:51:51
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2171661
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

This article was published after I completed my genetics major, on which fact I blame my tardiness.

do you get any grades for being a tardi?

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:52:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2171662
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


At William the Conqueror’s funeral in 1087:

>…A further indignity occurred when the corpse was lowered into the tomb.

The corpse was too large for the space, and when attendants forced the body into the tomb it burst, spreading a disgusting odour throughout the church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Death_and_aftermath

Charming.

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:53:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2171663
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


OCDC said:

This article was published after I completed my genetics major, on which fact I blame my tardiness.

do you get any grades for being a tardi?

:)

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:53:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2171664
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

At William the Conqueror’s funeral in 1087:

>…A further indignity occurred when the corpse was lowered into the tomb.

The corpse was too large for the space, and when attendants forced the body into the tomb it burst, spreading a disgusting odour throughout the church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Death_and_aftermath

Charming.

befitting end to a usurper!!!

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Date: 5/07/2024 10:57:27
From: Tamb
ID: 2171666
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


OCDC said:

This article was published after I completed my genetics major, on which fact I blame my tardiness.

do you get any grades for being a tardi?


A Tardigrade

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Date: 5/07/2024 11:00:02
From: OCDC
ID: 2171668
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

OCDC said:
This article was published after I completed my genetics major, on which fact I blame my tardiness.
do you get any grades for being a tardi?
You in fact lose grades for being tardi.

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Date: 6/07/2024 08:02:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2172021
Subject: re: today I learned

of a truly weird guy called
Christopher Langan

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Date: 6/07/2024 10:21:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2172061
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1102217257591943

Link

woodcut printing.

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Date: 7/07/2024 07:53:09
From: dv
ID: 2172344
Subject: re: today I learned

The street in London commonly known as The Strand is properly known as Strand.

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Date: 8/07/2024 08:45:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2172676
Subject: re: today I learned

that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

Why did Newton, who was not only a brilliant mathematical scientist but also one of the greatest experimentalists of all time, fall for what we now know was an utter fraud? The answer turns to be rather interesting.

The secret of the philosophers’ stone was believed to be too powerful, and therefore too dangerous, to be widely revealed. In particular, the ability to transmute base metals into silver and gold would present a great temptation for personal enrichment. And if too many of those who knew the secret took economic advantage of it, it would cause widespread chaos through the resulting collapse of the monetary and financial systems. Think of all those movies where the hero ponders what might happen if some very powerful technology were to “fall into the wrong hands”.

This justified the alchemists in writing about their work very obscurely. Rather than straightforward laboratory recipes, they published guides towards the preparation of the philosophers’s stone that were couched in weird, mystic-sounding allegories and images. In Newton’s day it was common to use ancient Greco-Roman myths as supposed codes for steps in the preparation of the philosophers’ stone (modern historians of alchemy refer to these codes, using the German, as Decknamen). The idea behind these Baroque mind-games was that only those who were intellectually, morally, and (for the more mystically oriented of the alchemists) also emotionally worthy of the knowledge would be able to decipher these Decknamen and prepare the philosophers’ stone, after many years of dedicated study.

In fact, when Newton became interested in alchemy, metallic transmutation had been widely credited for at least 1,500 years. The philosophers’ stone was described as a reddish-purple, glasslike material, easily ground into powder, denser than gold, soluble in any liquid, and incombustible. An eminent rational scientist like Robert Boyle claimed to have twice witnessed the use of a bit of the philosophers’ stone in a successful transmutation into gold. Museums and collections throughout Europe still contain numerous samples of gold supposedly obtained by such transmutations.

Many alchemists were no doubt out-and-out charlatans, but others were probably people who began their quest in earnest and who later pretended to more than they could deliver because their livelihood depended on procuring the patronage of rich adepts and also because they hoped that, if they could gain enough financial support, they might finally arrive at the full secret of the philosophers’ stone. The alchemical writing style lent itself to the pretense that certain experiments that the alchemist merely hoped would work if carried out under the right conditions had actually been performed successfully. And it was common for alchemists in Newton’s day to adopt a double persona, writing under their true name as if they were the disciples of another, fictitious alchemist, under whose name they would write more occasionally and more obscurely. The fictional sage was presented as knowing the whole secret of the philosophers’ stone, while the actual alchemist had mastered it only in part.

In 1676, Newton expressed his alarm, in a private letter to the secretary of the Royal Society, at Robert Boyle’s decision to publish an account of an experiment connected with the preparation of a “philosophic mercury” that was believed to be a step towards the philosophers’ stone. The article in question was
R. Boyle, “Of the incalescence of quicksilver with gold”, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. 10(122), 510–33 (1675/76)

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Date: 8/07/2024 08:56:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2172678
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

Why did Newton, who was not only a brilliant mathematical scientist but also one of the greatest experimentalists of all time, fall for what we now know was an utter fraud? The answer turns to be rather interesting.

The secret of the philosophers’ stone was believed to be too powerful, and therefore too dangerous, to be widely revealed. In particular, the ability to transmute base metals into silver and gold would present a great temptation for personal enrichment. And if too many of those who knew the secret took economic advantage of it, it would cause widespread chaos through the resulting collapse of the monetary and financial systems. Think of all those movies where the hero ponders what might happen if some very powerful technology were to “fall into the wrong hands”.

This justified the alchemists in writing about their work very obscurely. Rather than straightforward laboratory recipes, they published guides towards the preparation of the philosophers’s stone that were couched in weird, mystic-sounding allegories and images. In Newton’s day it was common to use ancient Greco-Roman myths as supposed codes for steps in the preparation of the philosophers’ stone (modern historians of alchemy refer to these codes, using the German, as Decknamen). The idea behind these Baroque mind-games was that only those who were intellectually, morally, and (for the more mystically oriented of the alchemists) also emotionally worthy of the knowledge would be able to decipher these Decknamen and prepare the philosophers’ stone, after many years of dedicated study.

In fact, when Newton became interested in alchemy, metallic transmutation had been widely credited for at least 1,500 years. The philosophers’ stone was described as a reddish-purple, glasslike material, easily ground into powder, denser than gold, soluble in any liquid, and incombustible. An eminent rational scientist like Robert Boyle claimed to have twice witnessed the use of a bit of the philosophers’ stone in a successful transmutation into gold. Museums and collections throughout Europe still contain numerous samples of gold supposedly obtained by such transmutations.

Many alchemists were no doubt out-and-out charlatans, but others were probably people who began their quest in earnest and who later pretended to more than they could deliver because their livelihood depended on procuring the patronage of rich adepts and also because they hoped that, if they could gain enough financial support, they might finally arrive at the full secret of the philosophers’ stone. The alchemical writing style lent itself to the pretense that certain experiments that the alchemist merely hoped would work if carried out under the right conditions had actually been performed successfully. And it was common for alchemists in Newton’s day to adopt a double persona, writing under their true name as if they were the disciples of another, fictitious alchemist, under whose name they would write more occasionally and more obscurely. The fictional sage was presented as knowing the whole secret of the philosophers’ stone, while the actual alchemist had mastered it only in part.

In 1676, Newton expressed his alarm, in a private letter to the secretary of the Royal Society, at Robert Boyle’s decision to publish an account of an experiment connected with the preparation of a “philosophic mercury” that was believed to be a step towards the philosophers’ stone. The article in question was
R. Boyle, “Of the incalescence of quicksilver with gold”, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. 10(122), 510–33 (1675/76)

Interesting.

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Date: 8/07/2024 09:48:34
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2172691
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

yeah, bit of a nutter was old Isaac.

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Date: 8/07/2024 09:50:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2172694
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

yeah, bit of a nutter was old Isaac.

Yet he understood the gravity of it all.

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Date: 8/07/2024 09:51:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2172695
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

Why did Newton, who was not only a brilliant mathematical scientist but also one of the greatest experimentalists of all time, fall for what we now know was an utter fraud? The answer turns to be rather interesting.

The secret of the philosophers’ stone was believed to be too powerful, and therefore too dangerous, to be widely revealed. In particular, the ability to transmute base metals into silver and gold would present a great temptation for personal enrichment. And if too many of those who knew the secret took economic advantage of it, it would cause widespread chaos through the resulting collapse of the monetary and financial systems. Think of all those movies where the hero ponders what might happen if some very powerful technology were to “fall into the wrong hands”.

This justified the alchemists in writing about their work very obscurely. Rather than straightforward laboratory recipes, they published guides towards the preparation of the philosophers’s stone that were couched in weird, mystic-sounding allegories and images. In Newton’s day it was common to use ancient Greco-Roman myths as supposed codes for steps in the preparation of the philosophers’ stone (modern historians of alchemy refer to these codes, using the German, as Decknamen). The idea behind these Baroque mind-games was that only those who were intellectually, morally, and (for the more mystically oriented of the alchemists) also emotionally worthy of the knowledge would be able to decipher these Decknamen and prepare the philosophers’ stone, after many years of dedicated study.

In fact, when Newton became interested in alchemy, metallic transmutation had been widely credited for at least 1,500 years. The philosophers’ stone was described as a reddish-purple, glasslike material, easily ground into powder, denser than gold, soluble in any liquid, and incombustible. An eminent rational scientist like Robert Boyle claimed to have twice witnessed the use of a bit of the philosophers’ stone in a successful transmutation into gold. Museums and collections throughout Europe still contain numerous samples of gold supposedly obtained by such transmutations.

Many alchemists were no doubt out-and-out charlatans, but others were probably people who began their quest in earnest and who later pretended to more than they could deliver because their livelihood depended on procuring the patronage of rich adepts and also because they hoped that, if they could gain enough financial support, they might finally arrive at the full secret of the philosophers’ stone. The alchemical writing style lent itself to the pretense that certain experiments that the alchemist merely hoped would work if carried out under the right conditions had actually been performed successfully. And it was common for alchemists in Newton’s day to adopt a double persona, writing under their true name as if they were the disciples of another, fictitious alchemist, under whose name they would write more occasionally and more obscurely. The fictional sage was presented as knowing the whole secret of the philosophers’ stone, while the actual alchemist had mastered it only in part.

In 1676, Newton expressed his alarm, in a private letter to the secretary of the Royal Society, at Robert Boyle’s decision to publish an account of an experiment connected with the preparation of a “philosophic mercury” that was believed to be a step towards the philosophers’ stone. The article in question was
R. Boyle, “Of the incalescence of quicksilver with gold”, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. 10(122), 510–33 (1675/76)

Huh!

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Date: 8/07/2024 09:57:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2172698
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Kingy said:

Algorithms were invented in 825AD by Mohammed Algorithm.

It sounds like the leadup to a joke, but it isn’t.

Essentially correct, but it’s seemingly a bit more complicated than that.

“Etymology

Around 825 AD, Persian scientist and polymath Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī wrote kitāb al-ḥisāb al-hindī (“Book of Indian computation”) and kitab al-jam’ wa’l-tafriq al-ḥisāb al-hindī (“Addition and subtraction in Indian arithmetic”). In the early 12th century, Latin translations of said al-Khwarizmi texts involving the Hindu–Arabic numeral system and arithmetic appeared, for example Liber Alghoarismi de practica arismetrice, attributed to John of Seville, and Liber Algorismi de numero Indorum, attributed to Adelard of Bath. Hereby, alghoarismi or algorismi is the Latinization of Al-Khwarizmi’s name; the text starts with the phrase Dixit Algorismi, or “Thus spoke Al-Khwarizmi”. Around 1230, the English word algorism is attested and then by Chaucer in 1391, English adopted the French term. In the 15th century, under the influence of the Greek word ἀριθμός (arithmos, “number”; cf. “arithmetic”), the Latin word was altered to algorithmus.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm#Etymology

Copied from chat.

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Date: 8/07/2024 10:21:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2172710
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Kingy said:

Algorithms were invented in 825AD by Mohammed Algorithm.

It sounds like the leadup to a joke, but it isn’t.

Could be a TIL moment

Inconvenient Truths Were Invented By Wait

Just Wait Until They Hear About The Origins Of Our Numbers And Algebra

that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

Why did Newton, who was not only a brilliant mathematical scientist but also one of the greatest experimentalists of all time, fall for what we now know was an utter fraud? The answer turns to be rather interesting.

The secret of the philosophers’ stone was believed to be too powerful, and therefore too dangerous, to be widely revealed. In particular, the ability to transmute base metals into silver and gold would present a great temptation for personal enrichment. And if too many of those who knew the secret took economic advantage of it, it would cause widespread chaos through the resulting collapse of the monetary and financial systems. Think of all those movies where the hero ponders what might happen if some very powerful technology were to “fall into the wrong hands”.

This justified the alchemists in writing about their work very obscurely. Rather than straightforward laboratory recipes, they published guides towards the preparation of the philosophers’s stone that were couched in weird, mystic-sounding allegories and images. In Newton’s day it was common to use ancient Greco-Roman myths as supposed codes for steps in the preparation of the philosophers’ stone (modern historians of alchemy refer to these codes, using the German, as Decknamen). The idea behind these Baroque mind-games was that only those who were intellectually, morally, and (for the more mystically oriented of the alchemists) also emotionally worthy of the knowledge would be able to decipher these Decknamen and prepare the philosophers’ stone, after many years of dedicated study.

In fact, when Newton became interested in alchemy, metallic transmutation had been widely credited for at least 1,500 years. The philosophers’ stone was described as a reddish-purple, glasslike material, easily ground into powder, denser than gold, soluble in any liquid, and incombustible. An eminent rational scientist like Robert Boyle claimed to have twice witnessed the use of a bit of the philosophers’ stone in a successful transmutation into gold. Museums and collections throughout Europe still contain numerous samples of gold supposedly obtained by such transmutations.

Many alchemists were no doubt out-and-out charlatans, but others were probably people who began their quest in earnest and who later pretended to more than they could deliver because their livelihood depended on procuring the patronage of rich adepts and also because they hoped that, if they could gain enough financial support, they might finally arrive at the full secret of the philosophers’ stone. The alchemical writing style lent itself to the pretense that certain experiments that the alchemist merely hoped would work if carried out under the right conditions had actually been performed successfully. And it was common for alchemists in Newton’s day to adopt a double persona, writing under their true name as if they were the disciples of another, fictitious alchemist, under whose name they would write more occasionally and more obscurely. The fictional sage was presented as knowing the whole secret of the philosophers’ stone, while the actual alchemist had mastered it only in part.

In 1676, Newton expressed his alarm, in a private letter to the secretary of the Royal Society, at Robert Boyle’s decision to publish an account of an experiment connected with the preparation of a “philosophic mercury” that was believed to be a step towards the philosophers’ stone. The article in question was
R. Boyle, “Of the incalescence of quicksilver with gold”, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. 10(122), 510–33 (1675/76)

Interesting.

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

Oh Wait

What

The

Greek ¿

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Date: 8/07/2024 10:31:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2172728
Subject: re: today I learned

Since we are learning about chemistry, it isn’t only watchmakers who worry about using hexane.

https://www.biotage.com/blog/an-alternative-to-n-hexane-for-doing-oil-and-grease-extractions

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Date: 8/07/2024 10:46:45
From: Ian
ID: 2172748
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that in the time of Newton the ideas of alchemy were widely respected by the scientists of the day, not just Newton.

Is it true that Newton wasted his time trying to transform metals into gold?
Yes, it is quite true that Isaac Newton wasted a lot of his time trying to transmute base metals into gold.

But, contrary to what various authors have claimed, there was nothing eccentric or mystical about Newton’s alchemical pursuits. Like many other intellectual luminaries of the time (including Baruch Spinoza, Robert Boyle, John Locke, and Gottfried Leibniz), Newton believed that there was ample evidence of the transmutation of metals, in the form of many seemingly credible testimonies of transmutations performed before witnesses, as well as the conviction of miners that metals mature and transform inside the Earth over long periods (with, for instance, lead slowly ripening into silver).

The alchemical and mineralogical literature of the 17th century also pointed to such phenomena as the apparent transmutation of iron into copper when the iron is dipped into blue vitriol as evidence that metals can turn into one another. Newton spent a great deal of his time poring over the extensive alchemical literature of the time and corresponding with other alchemical adepts. His chief interest in that regard was always metallic transmutation and the deciphering of the recipes for preparing the “philosophers’ stone”, which was a substance that supposedly catalyzed the transmutation of other metals into gold.

Why did Newton, who was not only a brilliant mathematical scientist but also one of the greatest experimentalists of all time, fall for what we now know was an utter fraud? The answer turns to be rather interesting.

The secret of the philosophers’ stone was believed to be too powerful, and therefore too dangerous, to be widely revealed. In particular, the ability to transmute base metals into silver and gold would present a great temptation for personal enrichment. And if too many of those who knew the secret took economic advantage of it, it would cause widespread chaos through the resulting collapse of the monetary and financial systems. Think of all those movies where the hero ponders what might happen if some very powerful technology were to “fall into the wrong hands”.

This justified the alchemists in writing about their work very obscurely. Rather than straightforward laboratory recipes, they published guides towards the preparation of the philosophers’s stone that were couched in weird, mystic-sounding allegories and images. In Newton’s day it was common to use ancient Greco-Roman myths as supposed codes for steps in the preparation of the philosophers’ stone (modern historians of alchemy refer to these codes, using the German, as Decknamen). The idea behind these Baroque mind-games was that only those who were intellectually, morally, and (for the more mystically oriented of the alchemists) also emotionally worthy of the knowledge would be able to decipher these Decknamen and prepare the philosophers’ stone, after many years of dedicated study.

In fact, when Newton became interested in alchemy, metallic transmutation had been widely credited for at least 1,500 years. The philosophers’ stone was described as a reddish-purple, glasslike material, easily ground into powder, denser than gold, soluble in any liquid, and incombustible. An eminent rational scientist like Robert Boyle claimed to have twice witnessed the use of a bit of the philosophers’ stone in a successful transmutation into gold. Museums and collections throughout Europe still contain numerous samples of gold supposedly obtained by such transmutations.

Many alchemists were no doubt out-and-out charlatans, but others were probably people who began their quest in earnest and who later pretended to more than they could deliver because their livelihood depended on procuring the patronage of rich adepts and also because they hoped that, if they could gain enough financial support, they might finally arrive at the full secret of the philosophers’ stone. The alchemical writing style lent itself to the pretense that certain experiments that the alchemist merely hoped would work if carried out under the right conditions had actually been performed successfully. And it was common for alchemists in Newton’s day to adopt a double persona, writing under their true name as if they were the disciples of another, fictitious alchemist, under whose name they would write more occasionally and more obscurely. The fictional sage was presented as knowing the whole secret of the philosophers’ stone, while the actual alchemist had mastered it only in part.

In 1676, Newton expressed his alarm, in a private letter to the secretary of the Royal Society, at Robert Boyle’s decision to publish an account of an experiment connected with the preparation of a “philosophic mercury” that was believed to be a step towards the philosophers’ stone. The article in question was
R. Boyle, “Of the incalescence of quicksilver with gold”, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. 10(122), 510–33 (1675/76)

Interesting.

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

Oh Wait

What

The

Greek ¿

Yeah, I knew that.. well, some of it

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Date: 8/07/2024 10:55:53
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2172753
Subject: re: today I learned

“we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also”

That’s just what the piece says isn’t it?

Alchemy was just part of accepted science at the time.

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Date: 8/07/2024 10:56:14
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2172754
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 8/07/2024 11:05:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2172765
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

“we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also”

That’s just what the piece says isn’t it?

Alchemy was just part of accepted science at the time.

Yous’r’ right, we revise our emphasis to

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

and will take a moment to revisit the 4 Gs old Chemistry textbook we have here which still comes in 4 sections namely earth, water, air, fire.

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Date: 8/07/2024 11:21:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2172779
Subject: re: today I learned

Anyway since we’re digging up the historics we just found out about this stuff.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/deep-dives/why-are-hyperlinks-blue/

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Date: 8/07/2024 11:23:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2172780
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Anyway since we’re digging up the historics we just found out about this stuff.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/deep-dives/why-are-hyperlinks-blue/


..asks SCIENCE, and provides a pink hyperlink to the article.

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Date: 8/07/2024 11:58:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2172788
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyway since we’re digging up the historics we just found out about this stuff.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/deep-dives/why-are-hyperlinks-blue/


..asks SCIENCE, and provides a pink hyperlink to the article.

Sorry we didn’t think to over ride the site default but we can¡ Harder to change the interactive behaviour though.

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Date: 8/07/2024 12:11:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2172795
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyway since we’re digging up the historics we just found out about this stuff.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/deep-dives/why-are-hyperlinks-blue/


Oooh: h4xor!

..asks SCIENCE, and provides a pink hyperlink to the article.

Sorry we didn’t think to over ride the site default but we can¡ Harder to change the interactive behaviour though.

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Date: 8/07/2024 12:14:05
From: Ian
ID: 2172797
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


SCIENCE said:

Anyway since we’re digging up the historics we just found out about this stuff.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/deep-dives/why-are-hyperlinks-blue/


..asks SCIENCE, and provides a pink hyperlink to the article.

It’s all a bit of a mystery..

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Date: 9/07/2024 07:54:07
From: dv
ID: 2172944
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarmouth_suspension_bridge

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:02:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2172960
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also”

That’s just what the piece says isn’t it?

Alchemy was just part of accepted science at the time.

Yous’r’ right, we revise our emphasis to

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

and will take a moment to revisit the 4 Gs old Chemistry textbook we have here which still comes in 4 sections namely earth, water, air, fire.

There you see they teach us more.

This metal structure is called bain-marie, a French term that directly translates to ‘Mary’s bath’. The name was inspired by Mary the Jewess, an alchemist from Ancient Greece credited as the equipment’s original designer or inventor.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:04:56
From: OCDC
ID: 2172961
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
“we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also”

That’s just what the piece says isn’t it?

Alchemy was just part of accepted science at the time.

Yous’r’ right, we revise our emphasis to

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

and will take a moment to revisit the 4 Gs old Chemistry textbook we have here which still comes in 4 sections namely earth, water, air, fire.

There you see they teach us more.

This metal structure is called bain-marie, a French term that directly translates to ‘Mary’s bath’. The name was inspired by Mary the Jewess, an alchemist from Ancient Greece credited as the equipment’s original designer or inventor.

Ah, so that’s the etymology of Brisbain-marie of my existence.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:23:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2172971
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also”

That’s just what the piece says isn’t it?

Alchemy was just part of accepted science at the time.

Yous’r’ right, we revise our emphasis to

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

and will take a moment to revisit the 4 Gs old Chemistry textbook we have here which still comes in 4 sections namely earth, water, air, fire.

There you see they teach us more.

This metal structure is called bain-marie, a French term that directly translates to ‘Mary’s bath’. The name was inspired by Mary the Jewess, an alchemist from Ancient Greece credited as the equipment’s original designer or inventor.

Huh. I didn’t know that. Interesting, ta.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:26:00
From: dv
ID: 2172972
Subject: re: today I learned

In terms of sign language, Canada is bilingual.

In New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland, Maritime Sign Language has historically been the dominant sign language. MSL is broadly similar to British Sign Language or Auslan.

In recent decades, MSL has been supplanted by American Sign Language, an unrelated and very different form, and MSL is mainly used by older people.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:27:25
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2172974
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In terms of sign language, Canada is bilingual.

In New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland, Maritime Sign Language has historically been the dominant sign language. MSL is broadly similar to British Sign Language or Auslan.

In recent decades, MSL has been supplanted by American Sign Language, an unrelated and very different form, and MSL is mainly used by older people.

are there sign language translators?

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:27:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2172975
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Yous’r’ right, we revise our emphasis to

we thought the original chemists were a contingent of alchemists but also

and will take a moment to revisit the 4 Gs old Chemistry textbook we have here which still comes in 4 sections namely earth, water, air, fire.

There you see they teach us more.

This metal structure is called bain-marie, a French term that directly translates to ‘Mary’s bath’. The name was inspired by Mary the Jewess, an alchemist from Ancient Greece credited as the equipment’s original designer or inventor.

Huh. I didn’t know that. Interesting, ta.

I’ll casually mention that over aperitifs at my next black tie dinner.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:33:00
From: dv
ID: 2172978
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

In terms of sign language, Canada is bilingual.

In New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland, Maritime Sign Language has historically been the dominant sign language. MSL is broadly similar to British Sign Language or Auslan.

In recent decades, MSL has been supplanted by American Sign Language, an unrelated and very different form, and MSL is mainly used by older people.

are there sign language translators?

I don’t know.

I should probably have said “trilingual” as there is also a quebecois sign language form which is similar to French sign language.

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Date: 9/07/2024 09:43:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2172983
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

There you see they teach us more.

This metal structure is called bain-marie, a French term that directly translates to ‘Mary’s bath’. The name was inspired by Mary the Jewess, an alchemist from Ancient Greece credited as the equipment’s original designer or inventor.

Huh. I didn’t know that. Interesting, ta.

I’ll casually mention that over aperitifs at my next black tie dinner.

:)

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Date: 9/07/2024 10:23:50
From: dv
ID: 2173000
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 9/07/2024 11:10:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173023
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-07-09/ancient-dna-study-suggests-dingoes-preserve-genetic-heritage/104065490

Link

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:14:19
From: dv
ID: 2173195
Subject: re: today I learned

From 1808 to 1822, Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Portugal.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:15:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2173197
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


From 1808 to 1822, Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Portugal.

i did not know that till today either.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:17:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2173199
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

From 1808 to 1822, Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Portugal.

i did not know that till today either.

+1

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:29:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173203
Subject: re: today I learned

DIMENSIONAL SHIFT IN IVANTEYEVKA-PRIPYAT.
Near Kiev lies the town of Ivanteyevka-Pripyat, boasting under 2,000 souls.

Here stands the home of Makar Naoumov “Duck” Utkin, which underwent a remarkable wrenching of
dimensions because of the atomic energy-flux in 1986 resulting from the Chernobyl disaster: a physico-dimensional
“flux-melding” beset Utkin’s 1836 home, somehow combining new and old windows in a frightening
configuration seen a few times near the awful and awesome energies unleashed where atomic fission
and fusion occur.

Naturally, The Institute for the Scientific Study of Human and Non-Human Phenomena purchased the
home, and now uses it as our Ukraine bureau.

Something like this also occurred to buildings near Tokyo, a hovel on the Bikini Atoll, and of course the
famed Mobil Gas station in the desert as result of the Manhattan Project.

Physicists have no agreed-upon explanation for this bizarre and aesthetically-repellent by-product of
nuclear “work.” However, Dr. Seimata Naprapol, lone bureau chief in the small Institute office on
Ipota, Vanuatu, has published (Naprapol 1989, Naprapol 2004) dense and highly theoretical works
postulating vortices in the space-time continuum occasioned by this blast, somehow melding the past
and present physically.

The popularizing semi-Fortean journal “Alive?” has recently come out with a more user-friendly article for
the layman, “Before the Big Bang: All Locations Were One” (Alive 2010 issue, Ma’Anshan: Pentecost Press)
which explains Naprapol’s work lucidly for non-mathematicians, containing only some 81 equations.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:36:32
From: buffy
ID: 2173204
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


DIMENSIONAL SHIFT IN IVANTEYEVKA-PRIPYAT.
Near Kiev lies the town of Ivanteyevka-Pripyat, boasting under 2,000 souls.

Here stands the home of Makar Naoumov “Duck” Utkin, which underwent a remarkable wrenching of
dimensions because of the atomic energy-flux in 1986 resulting from the Chernobyl disaster: a physico-dimensional
“flux-melding” beset Utkin’s 1836 home, somehow combining new and old windows in a frightening
configuration seen a few times near the awful and awesome energies unleashed where atomic fission
and fusion occur.

Naturally, The Institute for the Scientific Study of Human and Non-Human Phenomena purchased the
home, and now uses it as our Ukraine bureau.

Something like this also occurred to buildings near Tokyo, a hovel on the Bikini Atoll, and of course the
famed Mobil Gas station in the desert as result of the Manhattan Project.

Physicists have no agreed-upon explanation for this bizarre and aesthetically-repellent by-product of
nuclear “work.” However, Dr. Seimata Naprapol, lone bureau chief in the small Institute office on
Ipota, Vanuatu, has published (Naprapol 1989, Naprapol 2004) dense and highly theoretical works
postulating vortices in the space-time continuum occasioned by this blast, somehow melding the past
and present physically.

The popularizing semi-Fortean journal “Alive?” has recently come out with a more user-friendly article for
the layman, “Before the Big Bang: All Locations Were One” (Alive 2010 issue, Ma’Anshan: Pentecost Press)
which explains Naprapol’s work lucidly for non-mathematicians, containing only some 81 equations.

Oh dear…

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:39:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173205
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

DIMENSIONAL SHIFT IN IVANTEYEVKA-PRIPYAT.
Near Kiev lies the town of Ivanteyevka-Pripyat, boasting under 2,000 souls.

Here stands the home of Makar Naoumov “Duck” Utkin, which underwent a remarkable wrenching of
dimensions because of the atomic energy-flux in 1986 resulting from the Chernobyl disaster: a physico-dimensional
“flux-melding” beset Utkin’s 1836 home, somehow combining new and old windows in a frightening
configuration seen a few times near the awful and awesome energies unleashed where atomic fission
and fusion occur.

Naturally, The Institute for the Scientific Study of Human and Non-Human Phenomena purchased the
home, and now uses it as our Ukraine bureau.

Something like this also occurred to buildings near Tokyo, a hovel on the Bikini Atoll, and of course the
famed Mobil Gas station in the desert as result of the Manhattan Project.

Physicists have no agreed-upon explanation for this bizarre and aesthetically-repellent by-product of
nuclear “work.” However, Dr. Seimata Naprapol, lone bureau chief in the small Institute office on
Ipota, Vanuatu, has published (Naprapol 1989, Naprapol 2004) dense and highly theoretical works
postulating vortices in the space-time continuum occasioned by this blast, somehow melding the past
and present physically.

The popularizing semi-Fortean journal “Alive?” has recently come out with a more user-friendly article for
the layman, “Before the Big Bang: All Locations Were One” (Alive 2010 issue, Ma’Anshan: Pentecost Press)
which explains Naprapol’s work lucidly for non-mathematicians, containing only some 81 equations.

Oh dear…

it is from a page that this is their theme. They do some wacky stuff and aren’t in the least bit serious.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:41:09
From: buffy
ID: 2173206
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


buffy said:

JudgeMental said:

DIMENSIONAL SHIFT IN IVANTEYEVKA-PRIPYAT.
Near Kiev lies the town of Ivanteyevka-Pripyat, boasting under 2,000 souls.

Here stands the home of Makar Naoumov “Duck” Utkin, which underwent a remarkable wrenching of
dimensions because of the atomic energy-flux in 1986 resulting from the Chernobyl disaster: a physico-dimensional
“flux-melding” beset Utkin’s 1836 home, somehow combining new and old windows in a frightening
configuration seen a few times near the awful and awesome energies unleashed where atomic fission
and fusion occur.

Naturally, The Institute for the Scientific Study of Human and Non-Human Phenomena purchased the
home, and now uses it as our Ukraine bureau.

Something like this also occurred to buildings near Tokyo, a hovel on the Bikini Atoll, and of course the
famed Mobil Gas station in the desert as result of the Manhattan Project.

Physicists have no agreed-upon explanation for this bizarre and aesthetically-repellent by-product of
nuclear “work.” However, Dr. Seimata Naprapol, lone bureau chief in the small Institute office on
Ipota, Vanuatu, has published (Naprapol 1989, Naprapol 2004) dense and highly theoretical works
postulating vortices in the space-time continuum occasioned by this blast, somehow melding the past
and present physically.

The popularizing semi-Fortean journal “Alive?” has recently come out with a more user-friendly article for
the layman, “Before the Big Bang: All Locations Were One” (Alive 2010 issue, Ma’Anshan: Pentecost Press)
which explains Naprapol’s work lucidly for non-mathematicians, containing only some 81 equations.

Oh dear…

it is from a page that this is their theme. They do some wacky stuff and aren’t in the least bit serious.

I kind of gathered that. I haven’t been reading the Australian Skeptic magazine for 25 years for nothing…just the mention of “Alive?” was pretty obvious.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:42:55
From: buffy
ID: 2173207
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

Oh dear…

it is from a page that this is their theme. They do some wacky stuff and aren’t in the least bit serious.

I kind of gathered that. I haven’t been reading the Australian Skeptic magazine for 25 years for nothing…just the mention of “Alive?” was pretty obvious.

Or maybe it was “Fortean”.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:45:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173208
Subject: re: today I learned

Wil Tirion, a Dutch uranographer, has died.

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Date: 9/07/2024 18:59:20
From: dv
ID: 2173209
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Wil Tirion, a Dutch uranographer, has died.

Damn, I’ve been enjoying his work since the 1990s.

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:04:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2173211
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

From 1808 to 1822, Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Portugal.

i did not know that till today either.

I did know that.

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:17:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173213
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

From 1808 to 1822, Rio de Janeiro was the capital of Portugal.

i did not know that till today either.

+1

ah well kind of like how Australia is the GDPPPPPC capital of the British Empire then

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:21:20
From: party_pants
ID: 2173217
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

i did not know that till today either.

+1

ah well kind of like how Australia is the GDPPPPPC capital of the British Empire then

No, not like that at all.

The French under Napoleon were about to invade. So the royal court and many officials decided to flee to Rio, rather than take their chances with the mob and the guillotine.

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:23:16
From: Neophyte
ID: 2173218
Subject: re: today I learned

“I’ve only just discovered the “The Rest Is History” podcast – very good listening.

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:27:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173219
Subject: re: today I learned

Fair enough we suppose fleeing austerity and brexit to Australia rather than taking their chances with the Tories and economic self harm are a bit different though perhaps with the election of the communists there’ll be some backwash now¡

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:31:09
From: party_pants
ID: 2173221
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Fair enough we suppose fleeing austerity and brexit to Australia rather than taking their chances with the Tories and economic self harm are a bit different though perhaps with the election of the communists there’ll be some backwash now¡

We are no longer a colony.

We will decide who cones to this country, and the circumstances in which they arrive.

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Date: 9/07/2024 19:36:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2173224
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


“I’ve only just discovered the “The Rest Is History” podcast – very good listening.

Do you need to pay to listen to it?

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Date: 9/07/2024 20:07:23
From: Neophyte
ID: 2173235
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Neophyte said:

“I’ve only just discovered the “The Rest Is History” podcast – very good listening.

Do you need to pay to listen to it?

No – and there are several hundred episodes out already.

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Date: 9/07/2024 20:15:44
From: dv
ID: 2173236
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

i did not know that till today either.

+1

ah well kind of like how Australia is the GDPPPPPC capital of the British Empire then

The monarchy fled the peninsula but then Brazil went independent so they had to go home

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Date: 9/07/2024 20:27:22
From: dv
ID: 2173239
Subject: re: today I learned

Paul Weller formed the band that eventually became The Jam when he was 14 years old.
He was 18 when they recorded their first studio album, In The City.

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Date: 9/07/2024 20:45:27
From: dv
ID: 2173242
Subject: re: today I learned

Morrell Bridge in Melbourne was the first bridge in Victoria to be constructed of reinforced concrete.

It was built on dry land, and then the Yarra was diverted to flow underneath it.

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Date: 9/07/2024 20:47:29
From: party_pants
ID: 2173243
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Morrell Bridge in Melbourne was the first bridge in Victoria to be constructed of reinforced concrete.

It was built on dry land, and then the Yarra was diverted to flow underneath it.

makes sense

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Date: 10/07/2024 16:53:50
From: dv
ID: 2173431
Subject: re: today I learned

Although “drink the Kool-Aid” has become a common expression, the actual beverage that Jim Jones’s followers drank was Flavor Aid.

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Date: 10/07/2024 17:00:46
From: kii
ID: 2173436
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Although “drink the Kool-Aid” has become a common expression, the actual beverage that Jim Jones’s followers drank was Flavor Aid.

I had this explained to me by some wingnut in the bookstore.

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Date: 10/07/2024 18:04:12
From: Arts
ID: 2173455
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Although “drink the Kool-Aid” has become a common expression, the actual beverage that Jim Jones’s followers drank was Flavor Aid.

Yes

The marketing guy at flavour aid was good.

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Date: 10/07/2024 18:27:59
From: dv
ID: 2173462
Subject: re: today I learned


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Date: 10/07/2024 18:34:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173468
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



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Date: 10/07/2024 18:50:05
From: kii
ID: 2173475
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:




All of them, they all do.

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Date: 10/07/2024 19:06:33
From: Ian
ID: 2173479
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Toilet is itself a euphemism, deriving from a diminutive form of a French word for cloth.

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Date: 10/07/2024 19:13:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2173482
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:




Heh!

:)

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Date: 10/07/2024 19:16:38
From: party_pants
ID: 2173485
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:




I have abandoned the concept of a shared culture between the English speaking countries.

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Date: 10/07/2024 19:53:53
From: Ian
ID: 2173494
Subject: re: today I learned

Female earwigs may care for their eggs; the ones that do will continue to watch over nymphs until their second molt.

Earwigs are among the few non-social insect species that show maternal care. The mother pays close attention to the needs of her eggs, such as warmth and protection. She faithfully defends the eggs from predators, not leaving them even to eat unless the clutch goes bad.  She also continuously cleans the eggs to protect them from fungi. Studies have found that the urge to clean the eggs persists for only a few days after they are removed, and does not return even if the eggs are replaced; however, when the eggs were continuously replaced after hatching, the mother continued to clean the new eggs for up to 3 months.

The eggs hatch in about seven days. The mother may assist the nymphs in hatching. When the nymphs hatch, they eat the egg casing and continue to live with the mother. The nymphs look similar to their parents, only smaller, and will nest under their mother and she will continue to protect them until their second molt. The nymphs feed on food regurgitated by the mother, and on their own molts. If the mother dies before the nymphs are ready to leave, the nymphs may eat her.

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Date: 10/07/2024 19:55:12
From: dv
ID: 2173495
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:



All of them, they all do.

Bloody hell

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Date: 10/07/2024 21:27:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173506
Subject: re: today I learned

https://theconversation.com/melissa-caddick-mystery-shows-we-need-more-research-of-a-rare-kind-marine-forensics-211271

Link

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Date: 10/07/2024 21:32:09
From: Arts
ID: 2173508
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://theconversation.com/melissa-caddick-mystery-shows-we-need-more-research-of-a-rare-kind-marine-forensics-211271

Link

Paola is my colleague… she is fucking brilliant

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Date: 10/07/2024 21:36:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173509
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


JudgeMental said:

https://theconversation.com/melissa-caddick-mystery-shows-we-need-more-research-of-a-rare-kind-marine-forensics-211271

Link

Paola is my colleague… she is fucking brilliant

Thought you’d be interested.

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Date: 10/07/2024 21:37:37
From: Arts
ID: 2173510
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Arts said:

JudgeMental said:

https://theconversation.com/melissa-caddick-mystery-shows-we-need-more-research-of-a-rare-kind-marine-forensics-211271

Link

Paola is my colleague… she is fucking brilliant

Thought you’d be interested.

I had already read it in the paper she published.

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Date: 10/07/2024 21:39:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173511
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


JudgeMental said:

Arts said:

Paola is my colleague… she is fucking brilliant

Thought you’d be interested.

I had already read it in the paper she published.

I don’t know, you pointy heads are as thick as thieves.

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Date: 11/07/2024 01:01:48
From: kii
ID: 2173524
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

dv said:



All of them, they all do.

Bloody hell

Imagine me working in the children’s department at the bookstore that has a tabletop Thomas The Train track play set. Add all the books about the trains, except the original ones written by the Rev. W. Awdry.

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Date: 11/07/2024 07:38:55
From: OCDC
ID: 2173546
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

dv said:
kii said:
All of them, they all do.
Bloody hell
Imagine me working in the children’s department at the bookstore that has a tabletop Thomas The Train track play set. Add all the books about the trains, except the original ones written by the Rev. W. Awdry.
Abject horror ensues.

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Date: 11/07/2024 09:36:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2173578
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Female earwigs may care for their eggs; the ones that do will continue to watch over nymphs until their second molt.

Earwigs are among the few non-social insect species that show maternal care. The mother pays close attention to the needs of her eggs, such as warmth and protection. She faithfully defends the eggs from predators, not leaving them even to eat unless the clutch goes bad.  She also continuously cleans the eggs to protect them from fungi. Studies have found that the urge to clean the eggs persists for only a few days after they are removed, and does not return even if the eggs are replaced; however, when the eggs were continuously replaced after hatching, the mother continued to clean the new eggs for up to 3 months.

The eggs hatch in about seven days. The mother may assist the nymphs in hatching. When the nymphs hatch, they eat the egg casing and continue to live with the mother. The nymphs look similar to their parents, only smaller, and will nest under their mother and she will continue to protect them until their second molt. The nymphs feed on food regurgitated by the mother, and on their own molts. If the mother dies before the nymphs are ready to leave, the nymphs may eat her.

Huh!

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Date: 11/07/2024 09:39:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2173580
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Ian said:

Female earwigs may care for their eggs; the ones that do will continue to watch over nymphs until their second molt.

Earwigs are among the few non-social insect species that show maternal care. The mother pays close attention to the needs of her eggs, such as warmth and protection. She faithfully defends the eggs from predators, not leaving them even to eat unless the clutch goes bad.  She also continuously cleans the eggs to protect them from fungi. Studies have found that the urge to clean the eggs persists for only a few days after they are removed, and does not return even if the eggs are replaced; however, when the eggs were continuously replaced after hatching, the mother continued to clean the new eggs for up to 3 months.

The eggs hatch in about seven days. The mother may assist the nymphs in hatching. When the nymphs hatch, they eat the egg casing and continue to live with the mother. The nymphs look similar to their parents, only smaller, and will nest under their mother and she will continue to protect them until their second molt. The nymphs feed on food regurgitated by the mother, and on their own molts. If the mother dies before the nymphs are ready to leave, the nymphs may eat her.

Huh!

Today I learned as well.

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Date: 11/07/2024 09:56:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2173585
Subject: re: today I learned

Whereas the haddock is a fish, the shaddock is a citrus tree of the family Rutaceae that is allied to the orange and the lemon.

The shaddock is also called pummelo. The fruit is usually eaten fresh, and the peel can be used to make marmalades and jams. The shaddock’s scientific name is Citrus grandis.

Shaddock is native to mainland Southeast Asia and the Malaysian portion of the island of Borneo. The name shaddock is said to have derived from that of a sea captain who introduced the tree to the West Indies.

The shaddock tree reaches 6–13 meters in height. The leaves are like those of the orange but are fuzzy on the undersurface. The flowers are large and white. The very large round or almost pear-shaped fruits resemble grapefruit; they are lemon yellow and have a pungent, tart, but pleasant flavor. The pulp segments are pale white or red and shell out easily. The fruit is highly prized in Asia.

https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/shaddock/601222#:~:text=The%20shaddock%20is%20a%20citrus,scientific%20name%20is%20Citrus%20grandis.

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Date: 11/07/2024 21:31:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173769
Subject: re: today I learned

How dare they¡

A huge Indonesian expansion of low-grade production led to a surplus, and, crucially, processing innovations have allowed that glut to be refined into a high-quality product.

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Date: 11/07/2024 21:53:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2173780
Subject: re: today I learned

the word “prebunk”.

As in anticipate conspiracy theories and prebunk them.

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Date: 11/07/2024 21:56:07
From: party_pants
ID: 2173782
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


the word “prebunk”.

As in anticipate conspiracy theories and prebunk them.

thanks – I might start using it

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Date: 11/07/2024 21:56:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2173783
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


the word “prebunk”.

As in anticipate conspiracy theories and prebunk them.

You can read more about prebunking here

should you so choose.

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Date: 11/07/2024 21:57:22
From: monkey skipper
ID: 2173785
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

How dare they¡

A huge Indonesian expansion of low-grade production led to a surplus, and, crucially, processing innovations have allowed that glut to be refined into a high-quality product.

Thousands of jobs threatened as BHP closes nickel mine

Thousands of West Australian jobs are on the line tonight as BHP closes the doors on its massive Nickel West operation.

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Date: 11/07/2024 22:05:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173788
Subject: re: today I learned

monkey skipper said:


SCIENCE said:

How dare they¡

A huge Indonesian expansion of low-grade production led to a surplus, and, crucially, processing innovations have allowed that glut to be refined into a high-quality product.

Thousands of jobs threatened as BHP closes nickel mine

Thousands of West Australian jobs are on the line tonight as BHP closes the doors on its massive Nickel West operation.

https://www.bhp.com/news/media-centre/releases/2024/07/western-australia-nickel-to-temporarily-suspend-operations

Link

lowering prices and over supply.

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Date: 11/07/2024 22:07:27
From: party_pants
ID: 2173789
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


monkey skipper said:

SCIENCE said:

How dare they¡

A huge Indonesian expansion of low-grade production led to a surplus, and, crucially, processing innovations have allowed that glut to be refined into a high-quality product.

Thousands of jobs threatened as BHP closes nickel mine

Thousands of West Australian jobs are on the line tonight as BHP closes the doors on its massive Nickel West operation.

https://www.bhp.com/news/media-centre/releases/2024/07/western-australia-nickel-to-temporarily-suspend-operations

Link

lowering prices and over supply.

nickel tends to go in a volatile cycle like this.

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Date: 11/07/2024 22:14:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2173791
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


JudgeMental said:

monkey skipper said:

Thousands of jobs threatened as BHP closes nickel mine

Thousands of West Australian jobs are on the line tonight as BHP closes the doors on its massive Nickel West operation.

https://www.bhp.com/news/media-centre/releases/2024/07/western-australia-nickel-to-temporarily-suspend-operations

Link

lowering prices and over supply.

nickel tends to go in a volatile cycle like this.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/ravensthorpe-nickel-mine-to-close/103781186

Link

The announcement comes after the mine was previously closed in 2009 and 2017.

The 2017 closure cost 450 jobs, while the 2009 shutdown left 1,800 people out of work.

Mr Major said Monday’s announcement was “like déjà vu”.

“Each time our community learns and grows from it and becomes more resilient,” he said.

“I’ve got full confidence that we will weather the storm.”

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Date: 11/07/2024 22:29:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2173792
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.bhp.com/news/media-centre/releases/2024/07/western-australia-nickel-to-temporarily-suspend-operations

Link

lowering prices and over supply.

nickel tends to go in a volatile cycle like this.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-29/ravensthorpe-nickel-mine-to-close/103781186

Link

The announcement comes after the mine was previously closed in 2009 and 2017.

The 2017 closure cost 450 jobs, while the 2009 shutdown left 1,800 people out of work.

Mr Major said Monday’s announcement was “like déjà vu”.

“Each time our community learns and grows from it and becomes more resilient,” he said.

“I’ve got full confidence that we will weather the storm.”

Wait until they realise one day that it is capacity and not churn that determine economic size¡

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Date: 11/07/2024 23:42:47
From: Woodie
ID: 2173800
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


JudgeMental said:

monkey skipper said:

Thousands of jobs threatened as BHP closes nickel mine

Thousands of West Australian jobs are on the line tonight as BHP closes the doors on its massive Nickel West operation.

https://www.bhp.com/news/media-centre/releases/2024/07/western-australia-nickel-to-temporarily-suspend-operations

Link

lowering prices and over supply.

nickel tends to go in a volatile cycle like this.

BHP should open an Odeon. Plenty of nickel needed there.

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Date: 12/07/2024 20:39:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2174125
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkC3FX5xAQ

Link

The compass no one knows how to use

this guy is very good if you wish to learn navigation for hiking.

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Date: 12/07/2024 20:45:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2174130
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkC3FX5xAQ

Link

The compass no one knows how to use

this guy is very good if you wish to learn navigation for hiking.

I know how.

Was given instruction in it by some Army blokes like about forty years ago.

Give me the map and the compass, i reckon i could probably remember it.

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Date: 12/07/2024 20:50:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2174133
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkC3FX5xAQ

Link

The compass no one knows how to use

this guy is very good if you wish to learn navigation for hiking.

I know how.

Was given instruction in it by some Army blokes like about forty years ago.

Give me the map and the compass, i reckon i could probably remember it.

both yellow lines?

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Date: 12/07/2024 20:54:39
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2174135
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkC3FX5xAQ

Link

The compass no one knows how to use

this guy is very good if you wish to learn navigation for hiking.

I know how.

Was given instruction in it by some Army blokes like about forty years ago.

Give me the map and the compass, i reckon i could probably remember it.

both yellow lines?

Yeah, looking at the video, it looks/sounds familiar. Of course, it was forty years ago, so…

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Date: 12/07/2024 20:59:13
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2174136
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I know how.

Was given instruction in it by some Army blokes like about forty years ago.

Give me the map and the compass, i reckon i could probably remember it.

both yellow lines?

Yeah, looking at the video, it looks/sounds familiar. Of course, it was forty years ago, so…

the original was 1938. remade in 1950 or so.

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Date: 12/07/2024 21:06:09
From: kii
ID: 2174137
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I know how.

Was given instruction in it by some Army blokes like about forty years ago.

Give me the map and the compass, i reckon i could probably remember it.

both yellow lines?

Yeah, looking at the video, it looks/sounds familiar. Of course, it was forty years ago, so…

Somewhere in my packed stuff I have mr kii’s original military issued compass. No idea if it has yellow lines.

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Date: 13/07/2024 10:58:41
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2174270
Subject: re: today I learned

Zealandia is an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust in Oceania that subsided after breaking away from Gondwana 83–79 million years ago.

This is what it would look like today if it never sank.

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Date: 13/07/2024 11:53:15
From: dv
ID: 2174294
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Zealandia is an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust in Oceania that subsided after breaking away from Gondwana 83–79 million years ago.

This is what it would look like today if it never sank.

The south will rise again

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Date: 13/07/2024 11:59:05
From: Tamb
ID: 2174295
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Spiny Norman said:

Zealandia is an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust in Oceania that subsided after breaking away from Gondwana 83–79 million years ago.

This is what it would look like today if it never sank.

The south will rise again


It was lucky for us. Imagine NZ with 4 times the population. The rest of the world would never win a Rugby match.

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Date: 13/07/2024 13:43:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2174324
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

Zealandia is an almost entirely submerged mass of continental crust in Oceania that subsided after breaking away from Gondwana 83–79 million years ago.

This is what it would look like today if it never sank.

The south will rise again


It was lucky for us. Imagine NZ with 4 times the population. The rest of the world would never win a Rugby match.

No Wonder They Want Us To Burn More Coal Melt Siberia And Keep Sea Levels Rising¡

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Date: 13/07/2024 14:32:50
From: dv
ID: 2174342
Subject: re: today I learned

Seal’s most successful song, Kiss from a Rose, was part of the Batman Forever soundtrack in 1995, and was given a Batman themed video, despite the fact that the lyrics of the song has nothing to do with the plot or Batman generally, by any stretch.

Seal wrote the song in 1987 but he didn’t feel it was his best work and it wasn’t until 1994 that the song was released, as part of the Seal II album. It was given a video clip based around a model’s photo shoot and various other scenes based on the 1966 film Blow-Up. It was also featured in the forgettable NeverEnding Story III.

It quickly faded from the charts in this original release.

The following year, Joel Schumacher included it in Batman Forever and gave the track a second release with a new video, and it went on to sell 8 million copies and garner many awards for Seal.

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Date: 13/07/2024 18:54:06
From: dv
ID: 2174403
Subject: re: today I learned

Previously I thought Google Books only goes back to the 18th century, since that’s the earliest option in their basic menu.

I now know that it has items going back further, which can be seatched for specifically using the Advanced menu.

I was searching for the earliest use of “The Lion and the Lamb shall lay down”, which is a misquoted version of Isaiah 11 that is the basis for a Mandela effect. It turns out it is quite an old phrase, with Google Books’s earliest cite being:

The History of the Royal Society of London, for the Improving of Natural Knowledge
By Thomas Sprat · 1667

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Date: 14/07/2024 01:24:10
From: dv
ID: 2174486
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Seal’s most successful song, Kiss from a Rose, was part of the Batman Forever soundtrack in 1995, and was given a Batman themed video, despite the fact that the lyrics of the song has nothing to do with the plot or Batman generally, by any stretch.

Seal wrote the song in 1987 but he didn’t feel it was his best work and it wasn’t until 1994 that the song was released, as part of the Seal II album. It was given a video clip based around a model’s photo shoot and various other scenes based on the 1966 film Blow-Up. It was also featured in the forgettable NeverEnding Story III.

It quickly faded from the charts in this original release.

The following year, Joel Schumacher included it in Batman Forever and gave the track a second release with a new video, and it went on to sell 8 million copies and garner many awards for Seal.

Mind you I’ve got no idea what it is about.

“Did you know when it snows my eyes become large and the light that you shine can’t be seen.”

What

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Date: 14/07/2024 01:39:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2174487
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

dv said:

Seal’s most successful song, Kiss from a Rose, was part of the Batman Forever soundtrack in 1995, and was given a Batman themed video, despite the fact that the lyrics of the song has nothing to do with the plot or Batman generally, by any stretch.

Seal wrote the song in 1987 but he didn’t feel it was his best work and it wasn’t until 1994 that the song was released, as part of the Seal II album. It was given a video clip based around a model’s photo shoot and various other scenes based on the 1966 film Blow-Up. It was also featured in the forgettable NeverEnding Story III.

It quickly faded from the charts in this original release.

The following year, Joel Schumacher included it in Batman Forever and gave the track a second release with a new video, and it went on to sell 8 million copies and garner many awards for Seal.

Mind you I’ve got no idea what it is about.

“Did you know when it snows my eyes become large and the light that you shine can’t be seen.”

What

maybe it’s just snowing so heavily that visibility is near 0 and therefore despite the occurrence of mydriasis the orange still appears dark

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Date: 14/07/2024 12:01:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2174609
Subject: re: today I learned

https://opposite-lock.com/topic/74065/louie-mattar-s-fabulous-car-the-best-car-ever

Link

perpetual in motion car. kinda.

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Date: 14/07/2024 12:07:54
From: Tamb
ID: 2174610
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://opposite-lock.com/topic/74065/louie-mattar-s-fabulous-car-the-best-car-ever

Link

perpetual in motion car. kinda.

The SR71 did it a bit quicker: The 2,300-mile trip in just 64 minutes and 20 seconds, shattering the world record for the fastest coast-to-coast flight.

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Date: 14/07/2024 21:55:35
From: dv
ID: 2174846
Subject: re: today I learned

25% of the Melbourne tram network runs on separated paths, and 75% on paths shared by road vehicles.

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Date: 14/07/2024 21:58:07
From: party_pants
ID: 2174848
Subject: re: today I learned

fabric formed concrete is my learning for today.

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Date: 16/07/2024 17:49:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2175474
Subject: re: today I learned

grind.

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Date: 16/07/2024 17:53:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2175477
Subject: re: today I learned

This isn’t the Things I Learnt thread…

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Date: 16/07/2024 17:55:03
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2175478
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


This isn’t the Things I Learnt thread…

Thanks but the moment has passed.

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Date: 16/07/2024 19:45:43
From: esselte
ID: 2175513
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale

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Date: 16/07/2024 19:47:56
From: dv
ID: 2175515
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale


I have to say, I did know this.

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Date: 16/07/2024 19:48:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2175517
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale


must be an elephantine job cleaning them up.

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:07:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2175528
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


esselte said:

Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale


must be an elephantine job cleaning them up.

𓍋𓃀𓅱𓃰

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:13:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2175530
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


JudgeMental said:

esselte said:

Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale


must be an elephantine job cleaning them up.

𓍋𓃀𓅱𓃰

Fossilised mammoth dung. Apparently they sometimes ate their own poo.

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:15:29
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2175531
Subject: re: today I learned

That the UK is an Islamist country with Nuclear weapons.

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:22:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2175532
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


That the UK is an Islamist country with Nuclear weapons.

well, all i can say is that it has certainly gone downhill hill since the Proddies got in.

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:30:46
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2175534
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


That the UK is an Islamist country with Nuclear weapons.

I wasn’t aware that Birmingham hosted missile silos.

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:36:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2175536
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:40:44
From: esselte
ID: 2175539
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


Interesting. I just want to make two points:

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:45:18
From: party_pants
ID: 2175542
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

That the UK is an Islamist country with Nuclear weapons.

I wasn’t aware that Birmingham hosted missile silos.

They’ve got nuclear powered submarines with ICBMs. Who needs land-base silos?

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Date: 16/07/2024 20:56:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2175548
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

That the UK is an Islamist country with Nuclear weapons.

I wasn’t aware that Birmingham hosted missile silos.

They’ve got nuclear powered submarines with ICBMs. Who needs land-base silos?

I don’t know if many Pakis are in the Royal Navy.

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Date: 17/07/2024 00:32:15
From: kii
ID: 2175609
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Today I learned you can buy mammoth tusks online. I had no idea. This changes everything.

Fossil Realm is one of North America’s premiere dealers of woolly mammoth tusks, offering spectacular specimens displayed on custom handcrafted mounts. We acquire our fossil mammoth tusks directly from Siberia, the Netherlands, and Alaska and they are professionally restored to the highest of standards in our facility in Canada.

https://www.fossilrealm.com/collections/mammoth-tusks-for-sale


Mr PTSD aka The Man from Alaska (mr kii’s friend) sent us a tusk to keep safe until he returned from his teaching job in Alaska.
It was pretty awesome. Somewhere I have a few bits of it.

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Date: 18/07/2024 10:46:22
From: dv
ID: 2176134
Subject: re: today I learned

Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

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Date: 18/07/2024 10:47:08
From: dv
ID: 2176135
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 18/07/2024 10:50:28
From: Cymek
ID: 2176141
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

You reckon Nessie is real
I don’t think if something exists its a plesiosaurus

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Date: 18/07/2024 10:51:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2176143
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

please show working.

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Date: 18/07/2024 11:24:04
From: dv
ID: 2176164
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


dv said:

Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

You reckon Nessie is real

no

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Date: 18/07/2024 11:39:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2176174
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

Huh!

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Date: 18/07/2024 12:03:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176188
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

Loch Ness contains more water than all the lakes and rivers in England and Wales.

You reckon Nessie is real

no

The Thought Is Real

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Date: 18/07/2024 15:39:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2176318
Subject: re: today I learned

The Beechcraft Bonanza has been in continuous production longer than any other aircraft in history.

Introduced in 1947 and still being made today. More than 17,000 Bonanzas of all variants have been built, in both distinctive V-tail and conventional tail configurations.

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Date: 18/07/2024 15:41:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2176322
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Beechcraft Bonanza has been in continuous production longer than any other aircraft in history.

Introduced in 1947 and still being made today. More than 17,000 Bonanzas of all variants have been built, in both distinctive V-tail and conventional tail configurations.


Great little plane.
It isn’t the same Bonanza that it used to be though.

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Date: 18/07/2024 15:51:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2176330
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

The Beechcraft Bonanza has been in continuous production longer than any other aircraft in history.

Introduced in 1947 and still being made today. More than 17,000 Bonanzas of all variants have been built, in both distinctive V-tail and conventional tail configurations.


Great little plane.
It isn’t the same Bonanza that it used to be though.

Here’s the first picture of it that ‘Popular Science’ published:

October, 1946

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Date: 18/07/2024 15:55:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2176333
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1949, a bloke flew a Bonanza non-stop from Hawaii to New York:

Popular Science, May 1949:

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Date: 18/07/2024 16:08:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2176340
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


In 1949, a bloke flew a Bonanza non-stop from Hawaii to New York:

Popular Science, May 1949:


Quite a comfortable small plane.

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Date: 19/07/2024 10:03:57
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2176618
Subject: re: today I learned

“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie,
but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot
distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of
the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it,
completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”

—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)

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Date: 19/07/2024 10:09:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2176620
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie,
but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot
distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of
the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it,
completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”

—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)


Sort of glad she’s not around to see just how right she was.

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Date: 19/07/2024 10:11:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2176621
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie,
but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot
distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of
the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it,
completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”

—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)


Sort of glad she’s not around to see just how right she was.

She was around long enough to have discovered that.

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Date: 19/07/2024 10:15:43
From: Michael V
ID: 2176628
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie,
but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot
distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of
the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it,
completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”

—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)


Sort of glad she’s not around to see just how right she was.

She observed Hitler, I think.

Same, same.

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Date: 19/07/2024 11:40:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2176679
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie,
but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.

A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot
distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of
the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it,
completely subjected to the rule of lies.

With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”

—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)


People learned a bunch of rules, not the important principles.

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Date: 20/07/2024 08:48:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177134
Subject: re: today I learned

Albert Einstein’s brain was a little smaller than average.

I always thought he had an unusually big brain.

Came from a NS article about why human brains got so big, and why they shrunk a bit about 4000 years ago, and where they might go in the future.

There was also a nice review of a book about the complexity of teenage behaviour, which the brain size article didn’t touch on at all.

The book is “Coming of Age” by Lucy Foulkes.

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Date: 20/07/2024 08:50:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177135
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Albert Einstein’s brain was a little smaller than average.

I always thought he had an unusually big brain.

Came from a NS article about why human brains got so big, and why they shrunk a bit about 4000 years ago, and where they might go in the future.

There was also a nice review of a book about the complexity of teenage behaviour, which the brain size article didn’t touch on at all.

The book is “Coming of Age” by Lucy Foulkes.

Ta.

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Date: 20/07/2024 08:56:46
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177136
Subject: re: today I learned

TATE on Einstein’s brain

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Date: 20/07/2024 09:28:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177147
Subject: re: today I learned

Totally checks out, our laptop has more computing power than the tower we were using 25 years ago and it is also about 1000 times physically larger too wait oh shit good point¿¡.

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Date: 22/07/2024 08:34:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177927
Subject: re: today I learned

… of this charming little conversation, allegedly between the Earl of Sandwich and the playwright Samuel Foote:

“ I have often wondered what catastrophe would bring you to your end; but I think, that you must either die of the pox or the halter”

My Lord, that will depend upon one of two contingencies – whether I embrace your lordship’s mistress, or your lordship’s principles.”

Thes people have a slightly different version, and many other suggestions as to who may have said it first:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/26/gallows-pox/

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Date: 22/07/2024 08:48:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177933
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:01:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2177934
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

Shrug presuming they mean humans we suppose when the first breeding pair were packing to move out of Africa they were with 100% of the population.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:04:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177936
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

Shrug presuming they mean humans we suppose when the first breeding pair were packing to move out of Africa they were with 100% of the population.

Wiki says:
Population
• 500 BC 17 million to 35 million

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:04:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2177937
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:05:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177939
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

At least the Lord knows.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:10:44
From: dv
ID: 2177940
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I can’t relate to your skepticism. The agricultural revolution in the thousands of years prior to that point led to unprecedented population growth in that zone. 44% doesn’t seem outlandish.

For that matter, the area of the empire is similar for instance to the area of India, Bangladesh and Eastern China, which now contain about 41% of the world’s population.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:13:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2177942
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

Obviously we can read Mayan glyphs now but I don’t imagine there are many cases of the side of a temple being inscribed with the yearly population totals.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:14:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177944
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

Obviously we can read Mayan glyphs now but I don’t imagine there are many cases of the side of a temple being inscribed with the yearly population totals.

They’d have used tablets for that?

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:20:12
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2177945
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

Obviously we can read Mayan glyphs now but I don’t imagine there are many cases of the side of a temple being inscribed with the yearly population totals.

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

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Date: 22/07/2024 09:36:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2177949
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


… of this charming little conversation, allegedly between the Earl of Sandwich and the playwright Samuel Foote:

“ I have often wondered what catastrophe would bring you to your end; but I think, that you must either die of the pox or the halter”

My Lord, that will depend upon one of two contingencies – whether I embrace your lordship’s mistress, or your lordship’s principles.”

Thes people have a slightly different version, and many other suggestions as to who may have said it first:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/01/26/gallows-pox/

A famous comeback.

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:16:42
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2177957
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:44:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177962
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

Shrug presuming they mean humans we suppose when the first breeding pair were packing to move out of Africa they were with 100% of the population.

Well that would only be true for that particular branch of humans, but the situation at the time we are discussing was somewhat different.

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:47:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2177964
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Obviously we can read Mayan glyphs now but I don’t imagine there are many cases of the side of a temple being inscribed with the yearly population totals.

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:47:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177965
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I imagine we’re not dealing with mere estimates of the Achaemenid Empire but rather actual figures from censuses at the time. What would be estimates would be the populations of regions that weren’t covered by civilisations or where the historical figures aren’t extant. For example I don’t imagine the Aztecs in the 15th century had records of the population of Mayan Empire from a millenium previously.

What about all the people who were not included in censuses, or were but we have no record of that census?

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:50:22
From: Tamb
ID: 2177967
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:




Quite a few years ago Howard made a pair of them in an episode of Big Bang Theory.

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Date: 22/07/2024 10:51:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177969
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Don’t know how I missed this one before, but:

In my learned opinion, it seems highly unlikely that that tiny area would have 44% of the World’s population.

What would the accuracy of total population estimates be anyway?

I can’t relate to your skepticism. The agricultural revolution in the thousands of years prior to that point led to unprecedented population growth in that zone. 44% doesn’t seem outlandish.

For that matter, the area of the empire is similar for instance to the area of India, Bangladesh and Eastern China, which now contain about 41% of the world’s population.

My skepticism is related to the accuracy of population estimates for most of the World outside that empire, and also that a large part of the area within the empire now has very low population densities.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:00:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177971
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Obviously we can read Mayan glyphs now but I don’t imagine there are many cases of the side of a temple being inscribed with the yearly population totals.

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Prolly.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:03:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177975
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Prolly.

And what did the communities living in the Amazon basin use?

Or the Australians?

Or all the multiple communities of SE Asia and Africa?

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:05:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177976
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Prolly.

And what did the communities living in the Amazon basin use?

Or the Australians?

Or all the multiple communities of SE Asia and Africa?

The indigenous aussies used message sticks and rock markings, paintings and reading fire.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:06:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177977
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

rope abacus?

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:10:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2177979
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Prolly.

And what did the communities living in the Amazon basin use?

Or the Australians?

Or all the multiple communities of SE Asia and Africa?

The indigenous aussies used message sticks and rock markings, paintings and reading fire.

OK, I didn’t know they kept accurate census numbers that have been passed on to the present day.

Have you got a link?

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:12:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177981
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And what did the communities living in the Amazon basin use?

Or the Australians?

Or all the multiple communities of SE Asia and Africa?

The indigenous aussies used message sticks and rock markings, paintings and reading fire.

OK, I didn’t know they kept accurate census numbers that have been passed on to the present day.

Have you got a link?

Sorry. I know they knew who and how many their near neighbours were. However they’d only be going by word of mouth on further population densities.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:24:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2177982
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

rope abacus?

‘quippus’, or something like that.

Apparently, they could use them for all sorts of records, not just numerical.

Probably served as memory prompts for the administrators.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:30:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177985
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

rope abacus?

‘quippus’, or something like that.

Apparently, they could use them for all sorts of records, not just numerical.

Probably served as memory prompts for the administrators.

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:42:54
From: Michael V
ID: 2177988
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

rope abacus?

‘quippus’, or something like that.

Apparently, they could use them for all sorts of records, not just numerical.

Probably served as memory prompts for the administrators.

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:46:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2177990
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

‘quippus’, or something like that.

Apparently, they could use them for all sorts of records, not just numerical.

Probably served as memory prompts for the administrators.

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Today I learnt that.

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Date: 22/07/2024 11:49:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177992
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Today I learnt that.


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Date: 22/07/2024 12:00:44
From: Cymek
ID: 2177998
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

‘quippus’, or something like that.

Apparently, they could use them for all sorts of records, not just numerical.

Probably served as memory prompts for the administrators.

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:02:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2177999
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

and today I learned a new word. :) and what it means.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:04:58
From: Cymek
ID: 2178000
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

Then my idea doesn’t work

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:05:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2178001
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

also a dog of three heads. though that may be a myth.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:06:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2178003
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu”;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quipu

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

And before anyone brings it up, no, they did not tie knots in the strands so as to inflict more damage.

That was an embellishment added by some unknown commentator, and it just fitted so well with the picture of the cruelty that it became popular.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:06:31
From: Arts
ID: 2178004
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

also a dog of three heads. though that may be a myth.

fluffy

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:09:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2178007
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

Just think if you were into BDS&M they could whip you and if you paid by the whip they could add a new knot each time


There existed something called the cat of nine tails.

And before anyone brings it up, no, they did not tie knots in the strands so as to inflict more damage.

That was an embellishment added by some unknown commentator, and it just fitted so well with the picture of the cruelty that it became popular.

credible comment. ;)

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:12:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2178011
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

They’d have used tablets for that?

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

Incas.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:13:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2178013
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

Incas.

Ah, them folks. Right.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:14:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2178014
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I imagine Mayans used vellum. They didn’t have papyrus or paper.

Prolly.

And what did the communities living in the Amazon basin use?

Or the Australians?

Or all the multiple communities of SE Asia and Africa?

Parchment/vellum I imagine.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:16:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2178015
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Didn’t they use those knotted cords for a lot of record keeping?

Incas.

Ah, them folks. Right.

The collective forum grey matter at work.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:16:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2178016
Subject: re: today I learned

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:18:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2178017
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Have money will spend.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:20:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2178018
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Have money will spend.

There’s people in the music business with that kind of money who’ve spent it on far worse things.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:21:07
From: Cymek
ID: 2178020
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Have money will spend.

It seems like that.

I can’t actually think of much I need or even want if I became rich.
Things and services to make life easier and provide optimum health but possessions not really

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:25:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2178021
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Have money will spend.

There’s people in the music business with that kind of money who’ve spent it on far worse things.

Snorted up nostrils.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:29:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2178024
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Thomas the Tank Engine…

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:31:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2178026
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Thomas the Tank Engine…

:) Yes he was always into playing trains.
Probably where he got his choof choof beat style.

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Date: 22/07/2024 12:46:57
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2178030
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Today i learrnt:

Ringo Starr loves model trains, model cars, etc.

In the first large house he bought, he had the attic fitted out to make room for a dozen Scalextric layouts, and he added more until he had perhaps as many as twenty.

Thomas the Tank Engine…

It was meant to be.

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Date: 22/07/2024 20:20:14
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2178128
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_Bear_(bear)

Link

Cocaine Bear, also known as Pablo Eskobear (sometimes spelled Escobear) or Cokey the Bear, was a 175-pound (79-kilogram) American black bear that fatally overdosed on cocaine in 1985. The cocaine had been dropped by a group of Colombian drug smugglers in the wilderness in Tennessee, United States. The bear was found dead in northern Georgia and was stuffed and displayed at a mall in Kentucky. It inspired the 2023 comedy thriller film Cocaine Bear, as well as the 2023 documentary film Cocaine Bear: The True Story

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Date: 23/07/2024 09:41:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2178260
Subject: re: today I learned

… that the Bad Captain Madman’s nautical gait turned into a deroga tree, rather than a derogatory, as I had always assumed.

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Date: 24/07/2024 23:39:13
From: dv
ID: 2178795
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unlike the state of Georgia and South Georgia and most other similarly named places, the name of the nation called Georgia has nothing to do with the name George. Instead it ultimately derives from a Persian route meaning wolf.

In other news, the Geo- in George is the same as the Geo- in Geography. It is from Greek roots meaning farmer: literally earth worker (geo- meaning earth, ergon meaning work)

Now you might be thinking that Geoffrey might also be related to geo-, but no.

It is from old Germanic Gautafriþu, “Goth sanctuary”.

Compare it to Jocelyn from Gautalinþiz, “Goth snake”.

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Date: 25/07/2024 21:52:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2179092
Subject: re: today I learned

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

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Date: 25/07/2024 21:55:15
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2179093
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

I only just mentioned Barry Marshall this evening to a post on FB. I met him at a profs and pints do in Perth. Along with Igor Bray.

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Date: 25/07/2024 22:00:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2179095
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

I only just mentioned Barry Marshall this evening to a post on FB. I met him at a profs and pints do in Perth. Along with Igor Bray.

Sorry we forgot our quotimagery of the good professor and have amended above.

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Date: 25/07/2024 22:42:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2179103
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1337952660084325

Link

3rd Stage

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Date: 26/07/2024 07:32:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2179149
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

What did he die from?

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Date: 26/07/2024 08:56:07
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2179165
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

What did he die from?

stomach ulcer.

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Date: 26/07/2024 09:02:22
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2179166
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

What did he die from?

stomach ulcer.

It’s like rain… on your wedding day…

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Date: 26/07/2024 09:05:59
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2179169
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Professor Warren and Professor Barry Marshall AC were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 2005. Their work on the bacterial basis for stomach ulcers revolutionised the treatment of gastro-duodenal ulcers, by enabling an antibiotic cure, and has led to a significant reduction worldwide in the prevalence of gastric cancer. The University of Western Australia is saddened by the loss of distinguished Nobel Laureate Emeritus Professor Robin Warren AC, who was aged 87.

What did he die from?

stomach ulcer.

I was most impressed by their work, and by the lengths they went to in establishing their findings, and the way they fought against the entrenched views of some quarters of medical profession.

But, i was less impressed by the way that the effect of stress in the cause of stomach ulcers was so readily dismissed by some other quarters, especially in the media. As if it was a case of ‘shut up, you whingers, it’s not stress that’s doing it to you, now just suck it up, and get back to your crappy work environment of whatever your problem is’.

I had a job which was causing me great personal stress, and over a period of some months developed symptoms the cause of which was found to be a developing stomach ulcer.

Things continued to worsen until i realised that trying to hang onto the job would only make me more sick, and i left it.

And things began to improve steadily after that. No stomach ulcer trouble since then.

A singlebit of anecdotal eveidence, but i think that stress still has some involvement, perhaps making people susceptible, or in exacerbating the condition.

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Date: 26/07/2024 09:06:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2179170
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

What did he die from?

stomach ulcer.

It’s like rain… on your wedding day…

Ah, that song.

You know what’s ironic?

Writing a song about irony in which you display your ignorance of the word’s meaning.

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Date: 26/07/2024 09:25:12
From: buffy
ID: 2179177
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

What did he die from?

stomach ulcer.

I was most impressed by their work, and by the lengths they went to in establishing their findings, and the way they fought against the entrenched views of some quarters of medical profession.

But, i was less impressed by the way that the effect of stress in the cause of stomach ulcers was so readily dismissed by some other quarters, especially in the media. As if it was a case of ‘shut up, you whingers, it’s not stress that’s doing it to you, now just suck it up, and get back to your crappy work environment of whatever your problem is’.

I had a job which was causing me great personal stress, and over a period of some months developed symptoms the cause of which was found to be a developing stomach ulcer.

Things continued to worsen until i realised that trying to hang onto the job would only make me more sick, and i left it.

And things began to improve steadily after that. No stomach ulcer trouble since then.

A singlebit of anecdotal eveidence, but i think that stress still has some involvement, perhaps making people susceptible, or in exacerbating the condition.

I think your anecdote is evidence for what they found. Stress messes with the immune system. Therefore a bacterial source for the ulcer has a better chance of taking hold. Remove the stress, immune system breathes freely again and does its job.

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Date: 26/07/2024 09:32:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2179182
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

ChrispenEvan said:

stomach ulcer.

It’s like rain… on your wedding day…

Ah, that song.

You know what’s ironic?

Writing a song about irony in which you display your ignorance of the word’s meaning.

Yes, but sg=he had to do that to make it truly ironic.

It is my very favourite ironic song.

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Date: 26/07/2024 10:21:40
From: dv
ID: 2179219
Subject: re: today I learned

I was wondering why the cover of a ute is called a tonneau.

It turns out that the proper name for this cover is a tonneau cover. Further, it emerges that a tonneau is an open rear area of a vehicle, which could be for passengers or goods, and that it ultimately derived from Latin roots meaning barrel.

Good tonneau.

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Date: 26/07/2024 10:49:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2179241
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I was wondering why the cover of a ute is called a tonneau.

It turns out that the proper name for this cover is a tonneau cover. Further, it emerges that a tonneau is an open rear area of a vehicle, which could be for passengers or goods, and that it ultimately derived from Latin roots meaning barrel.

Good tonneau.

:)

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Date: 26/07/2024 13:43:19
From: dv
ID: 2179351
Subject: re: today I learned

OED’s first cite for ta-da! etc is from 1913.

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Date: 26/07/2024 13:45:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2179353
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


OED’s first cite for ta-da! etc is from 1913.


He should have said Duh Duh Duh da, Duh Duh Duh da.

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Date: 27/07/2024 07:47:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2179572
Subject: re: today I learned

The concept is named after Vilfredo (1848–1923), an Italian civil engineer, who used the concept in his studies of efficiency and distribution.

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Date: 27/07/2024 16:45:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2179832
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1817007890496102490¤tTweetUser=Acyn

“In 4 years we’ll have it all fixed…my beautiful Christians, I’m a Christian…”

Oh wow we didn’t even know this one but there yous go, it’s a thing, there is the entity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign_%28generic%29

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Date: 27/07/2024 17:08:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2179833
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1817007890496102490¤tTweetUser=Acyn

“In 4 years we’ll have it all fixed…my beautiful Christians, I’m a Christian…”

Oh wow we didn’t even know this one but there yous go, it’s a thing, there is the entity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign_%28generic%29

¤

Neither did I.

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Date: 27/07/2024 17:11:22
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2179834
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

kii said:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1817007890496102490¤tTweetUser=Acyn

“In 4 years we’ll have it all fixed…my beautiful Christians, I’m a Christian…”

Oh wow we didn’t even know this one but there yous go, it’s a thing, there is the entity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign_%28generic%29

¤

Neither did I.

My learning for the day also.

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Date: 27/07/2024 18:31:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2179878
Subject: re: today I learned

Teqball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g24NerxxlY

Link

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Date: 28/07/2024 20:11:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2180385
Subject: re: today I learned

Until 2018 (see below) the formulation used in the United States contained lead(II) acetate. Lead acetate has been replaced by bismuth citrate as the progressive colorant.

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Date: 28/07/2024 22:17:55
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2180402
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Until 2018 (see below) the formulation used in the United States contained lead(II) acetate. Lead acetate has been replaced by bismuth citrate as the progressive colorant.

Very interesting!

:)

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Date: 30/07/2024 00:08:21
From: dv
ID: 2180846
Subject: re: today I learned

Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

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Date: 30/07/2024 09:57:08
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2180908
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:43:39
From: dv
ID: 2180964
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.


Well as I’m sure you know, Earl Grey Tea didn’t exist until the 19th century. I also don’t like the implication here that chamomile is a kind of tea.

Chamomile was, however, used as a remedy in colonial America.

On the other hand, the teas destroyed in the BTP were all actual teas.

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:46:56
From: Michael V
ID: 2180966
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.


:)

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:47:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2180967
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.


Well as I’m sure you know, Earl Grey Tea didn’t exist until the 19th century. I also don’t like the implication here that chamomile is a kind of tea.

Chamomile was, however, used as a remedy in colonial America.

On the other hand, the teas destroyed in the BTP were all actual teas.

The tea pretty much had to come from China, as large-scale production of tea in India, by the East India Company, didn’t begin until 1820, and tea-growing in Ceylon/Sri Lanka didn’t start until 1867.

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:50:22
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2180969
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Tea was not commercially cultivated in India until the 1840s.

Although the tea destroyed in the Boston Tea Party was on East India ships, all the tea they carried was from China.

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.


Well as I’m sure you know, Earl Grey Tea didn’t exist until the 19th century. I also don’t like the implication here that chamomile is a kind of tea.

Chamomile was, however, used as a remedy in colonial America.

On the other hand, the teas destroyed in the BTP were all actual teas.

I didn’t know. but i do now.

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:52:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2180970
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I have been in a discussion about Earl Grey, which was instigated by this post on FB, over the last couple of days.


Well as I’m sure you know, Earl Grey Tea didn’t exist until the 19th century. I also don’t like the implication here that chamomile is a kind of tea.

Chamomile was, however, used as a remedy in colonial America.

On the other hand, the teas destroyed in the BTP were all actual teas.

The tea pretty much had to come from China, as large-scale production of tea in India, by the East India Company, didn’t begin until 1820, and tea-growing in Ceylon/Sri Lanka didn’t start until 1867.

Despite their efforts for decades the British couldn’t manage to grow tea on the subcontinent that didn’t taste like shit. In one of the first cases of industrial espionage they purloined the Chinese knowledge of the necessary soil continitions and whatnot and were finally able to cannibalise China’s large export market. Oh and Opium.

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Date: 30/07/2024 11:55:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2180974
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:

Oh and Opium.

Opium is a piece of cake to grow. The poppies will grow just about any damn place.

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Date: 30/07/2024 12:20:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2180988
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:
Oh and Opium.

Opium is a piece of cake to grow. The poppies will grow just about any damn place.

They grew quite nicely in my back yard in Goulburn NSW.

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Date: 30/07/2024 12:24:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2180990
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:
Oh and Opium.

Opium is a piece of cake to grow. The poppies will grow just about any damn place.

They grew quite nicely in my back yard in Goulburn NSW.

Papaver somniferum?

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Date: 30/07/2024 12:29:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2180992
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Opium is a piece of cake to grow. The poppies will grow just about any damn place.

They grew quite nicely in my back yard in Goulburn NSW.

Papaver somniferum?

Yep. And I tested it out, too. Makes me feel heavy and want to lie down on the floor immediately.

It used to come up in the front yard of the Police Station, too.

:)

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Date: 30/07/2024 12:33:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2180993
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

They grew quite nicely in my back yard in Goulburn NSW.

Papaver somniferum?

Yep. And I tested it out, too. Makes me feel heavy and want to lie down on the floor immediately.

It used to come up in the front yard of the Police Station, too.

:)

Yeah, it grows by roadsides.

When conditions are right, the growers score the sides of the seedpods, to relase the latex/resin. When they do that, you can smell it for miles.

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Date: 30/07/2024 12:51:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2180995
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Papaver somniferum?

Yep. And I tested it out, too. Makes me feel heavy and want to lie down on the floor immediately.

It used to come up in the front yard of the Police Station, too.

:)

Yeah, it grows by roadsides.

When conditions are right, the growers score the sides of the seedpods, to release the latex/resin. When they do that, you can smell it for miles.

That’s how I harvested it, but I never noticed any smell.

It grew around Armidale, too. But not at my place, nor at the Police station, either. Interestingly, the flowers were different in Armidale compared to Goulburn. Goulburn flowers had 4 petals. Armidale flowers had two or more rows of 4 petals. Both flowers were the same colour – pale mauve with a large “black” patch in the bottom of each petal. Both plants had the same pale glaucous-sickly appearance.

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Date: 30/07/2024 13:07:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181000
Subject: re: today I learned

… that the 5 hour rule is the same as the 1 hour rule, but spread over 5 days. Apparently you are allowed 2 days off per week.

And the 1 hour rule says you should spend 1 hour per day thinking and learning about new stuff.

I also learned from a Medium Daily Digest link that the 1 hour rule can catapult you into the top 1% of income earners.

But I don’t have time for reading stuff like that. Too busy thinking.

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Date: 30/07/2024 14:17:33
From: buffy
ID: 2181021
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Witty Rejoinder said:
Oh and Opium.

Opium is a piece of cake to grow. The poppies will grow just about any damn place.

Including in my garden here.

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:23:32
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2181237
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:26:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2181239
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Don’t often see them in the flea market.

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:28:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2181241
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Don’t often see them in the flea market.

ah the original wordle

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:30:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2181242
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Don’t often see them in the flea market.

ah the original wordle

but they ain’t palindromes.

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:38:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2181246
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Don’t often see them in the flea market.

ah the original wordle

but they ain’t palindromes.

well look the ancients can’t know everything

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:54:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2181249
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Huh!

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Date: 31/07/2024 09:58:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2181251
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Huh!

The choice of words is interesting.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:06:24
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2181348
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Don’t often see them in the flea market.

ah the original wordle

but they ain’t palindromes.

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:11:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181349
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

ah the original wordle

but they ain’t palindromes.

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:14:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2181350
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

ChrispenEvan said:

but they ain’t palindromes.

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

+1

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:15:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181352
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

ChrispenEvan said:

but they ain’t palindromes.

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

Evidence from Bob:

Avoid si Aibohphobia is di ova

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:17:46
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2181353
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bogsnorkler said:

ChrispenEvan said:

but they ain’t palindromes.

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

what three together? it isn’t a phrase. it is a word square.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:19:21
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2181354
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

what three together? it isn’t a phrase. it is a word square.

and seeing there are five words then three together is meaningless because it isn’t the whole phrase.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:20:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2181355
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

what three together? it isn’t a phrase. it is a word square.

Correction, it’s a mysterious word square. Mysterious word squares can be palindromic.

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Date: 31/07/2024 17:26:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181358
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bogsnorkler said:

people on this thread on FB are arguing with me that these are palindromes.

Well the middle one is, and the three together are as well.

Words within a palindrome phrase do not have to be palindromes.

what three together? it isn’t a phrase. it is a word square.

I mean the 5 words together.

Read left to right and top to bottom, or right to left and bottom to top, you get the same words.

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Date: 31/07/2024 22:42:20
From: dv
ID: 2181422
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 31/07/2024 22:46:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181424
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Bingbot says it’s perfectly fine:

Certainly! It’s perfectly fine to eat while you’re already eating. In fact, many people enjoy snacks or small bites during their meals. Just be mindful of portion sizes and listen to your body’s hunger cues.

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Date: 31/07/2024 22:49:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181425
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Googlebot didn’t find those exact words anywhere, and didn’t offer any opinion of its OKness or otherwise.

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Date: 1/08/2024 00:54:11
From: Brindabellas
ID: 2181436
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Googlebot didn’t find those exact words anywhere, and didn’t offer any opinion of its OKness or otherwise.

Should it be walking while eating? That was definitely a thing when I went to Japan,

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:31:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181463
Subject: re: today I learned

A 1987 study revealed that Queen Elizabeth II might be a descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:38:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2181464
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

A 1987 study revealed that Queen Elizabeth II might be a descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

Have a link to the study?

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:41:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181465
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
A 1987 study revealed that Queen Elizabeth II might be a descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

Have a link to the study?

Yes, but it doesn’t go anywhere.

I’m sure the bingbot will help you.

Or even Google if you must.

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:42:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2181466
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
A 1987 study revealed that Queen Elizabeth II might be a descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

Have a link to the study?

Yes, but it doesn’t go anywhere.

I’m sure the bingbot will help you.

Or even Google if you must.

and Snopes says it’s plausible

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:44:29
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2181467
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Have a link to the study?

Yes, but it doesn’t go anywhere.

I’m sure the bingbot will help you.

Or even Google if you must.

and Snopes says it’s plausible

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-prophet-muhammad

Link

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:46:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2181468
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes, but it doesn’t go anywhere.

I’m sure the bingbot will help you.

Or even Google if you must.

and Snopes says it’s plausible

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-prophet-muhammad

Link

“If you go back far enough, you can find some kind of third cousin 99 times removed for anybody in the world,” she says.

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Date: 1/08/2024 08:49:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 2181469
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bogsnorkler said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

and Snopes says it’s plausible

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-prophet-muhammad

Link

“If you go back far enough, you can find some kind of third cousin 99 times removed for anybody in the world,” she says.

I’m usually around 20 degrees of separation from many famous people and today I find that I am only 13 degrees from Fanny Gately.

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Date: 1/08/2024 09:00:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2181471
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.history.com/news/is-queen-elizabeth-related-to-the-prophet-muhammad

Link

“If you go back far enough, you can find some kind of third cousin 99 times removed for anybody in the world,” she says.

I’m usually around 20 degrees of separation from many famous people and today I find that I am only 13 degrees from Fanny Gately.

NHOH

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Date: 1/08/2024 12:07:18
From: dv
ID: 2181554
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

A 1987 study revealed that Queen Elizabeth II might be a descendant of Prophet Muhammad.

I’m aware of the particular path that they are referring to.

I should note that it wouldn’t at all surprise me if she had descent from Muhammad via multiple strands. She has numerous of Spanish ancestors by different paths, and the ancestry along the female lines is often not well recorded since male artistocrats often married “beneath” themselves, and there were plenty of “sayyids” in Spain from the 8th century onward.

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Date: 1/08/2024 12:30:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2181567
Subject: re: today I learned

anyway many of you will be happy to hear that we observed one of the rarest phenomena in the universe the other day








































whilst we were top driving we looked ahead and witnessed a BMW giving way to a bus leaving the kerb

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Date: 4/08/2024 12:31:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2182544
Subject: re: today I learned

For centuries, the Cherokee people of North America have performed a ritual reacting against outsider intrusion. The Booger Dance begins with a prelude in which tribe members dance together for around 30 minutes; then a group of up to 10 males arrive, wearing masks representing foreigners – often disfigured as though infected with smallpox.

American anthropologist Dr Frank Gouldsmith Speck observed performances in 1935 and 1936 at a Cherokee reservation in western North Carolina. In his book Cherokee Dance and Drama, he describes how the masked company “boisterously enters the house where the night dance party is held. The maskers are systematically malignant. On entering, some of them act mad, fall on the floor, hit at the spectators… and chase the girls.”

There is humour as well as menace in the ritual. For the main part, each masked man “performs awkward and grotesque steps, as if he were a clumsy white man trying to imitate Indian dancing”. This continues “until all the masked visitors have competed in drawing applause by their obscene names and clowning”. At the arrival of the Boogers, Speck notes, “when the first invader was questioned about his nationality and identity, he resoundingly broke wind and this was greeted by risible applause”.

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20161019-a-surprising-history-of-the-bad-clown

Booger masks:

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Date: 4/08/2024 14:44:20
From: ruby
ID: 2182592
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


For centuries, the Cherokee people of North America have performed a ritual reacting against outsider intrusion. The Booger Dance begins with a prelude in which tribe members dance together for around 30 minutes; then a group of up to 10 males arrive, wearing masks representing foreigners – often disfigured as though infected with smallpox.

American anthropologist Dr Frank Gouldsmith Speck observed performances in 1935 and 1936 at a Cherokee reservation in western North Carolina. In his book Cherokee Dance and Drama, he describes how the masked company “boisterously enters the house where the night dance party is held. The maskers are systematically malignant. On entering, some of them act mad, fall on the floor, hit at the spectators… and chase the girls.”

There is humour as well as menace in the ritual. For the main part, each masked man “performs awkward and grotesque steps, as if he were a clumsy white man trying to imitate Indian dancing”. This continues “until all the masked visitors have competed in drawing applause by their obscene names and clowning”. At the arrival of the Boogers, Speck notes, “when the first invader was questioned about his nationality and identity, he resoundingly broke wind and this was greeted by risible applause”.

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20161019-a-surprising-history-of-the-bad-clown

Booger masks:

That is an interesting article Bubblecar.
Lots of things to ponder in it, from the Cherokee Booger dance to the research paper titled ‘On the Nature of Creepiness’.

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Date: 5/08/2024 09:49:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2182731
Subject: re: today I learned

That tomorrow morning in Sydney a blue plaque will be unveiled in honour of Kathleen Butler.

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Date: 5/08/2024 09:54:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2182733
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


That tomorrow morning in Sydney a blue plaque will be unveiled in honour of Kathleen Butler.

TATE on Kathleen Butler

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Date: 5/08/2024 09:55:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2182734
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


That tomorrow morning in Sydney a blue plaque will be unveiled in honour of Kathleen Butler.

Kathleen M. Butler (27 February 1891 – 19 July 1972) was nicknamed the “Godmother of Sydney Harbour Bridge” and also known as the “Bridge Girl”. As the first person appointed to Chief Engineer J. J. C. Bradfield’s team, as his Confidential Secretary, (a role which today would be called a technical adviser or project planner), she managed the international tendering process and oversaw the development of the technical plans, travelling to London in 1924 to supervise the project in the offices of Dornan’s, the company which won the tender. At the time it was built, Sydney Harbour Bridge was the largest arch bridge in the world, with the build expected to take six years to complete. Her unusual role garnered much interest in the press in Australia and Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_M._Butler

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:03:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2182736
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

That tomorrow morning in Sydney a blue plaque will be unveiled in honour of Kathleen Butler.

Kathleen M. Butler (27 February 1891 – 19 July 1972) was nicknamed the “Godmother of Sydney Harbour Bridge” and also known as the “Bridge Girl”. As the first person appointed to Chief Engineer J. J. C. Bradfield’s team, as his Confidential Secretary, (a role which today would be called a technical adviser or project planner), she managed the international tendering process and oversaw the development of the technical plans, travelling to London in 1924 to supervise the project in the offices of Dornan’s, the company which won the tender. At the time it was built, Sydney Harbour Bridge was the largest arch bridge in the world, with the build expected to take six years to complete. Her unusual role garnered much interest in the press in Australia and Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_M._Butler

The Internet says it still is the largest steel arch in the World:

The Sydney Harbour Bridge is one of the world’s most recognisable landmarks. Not only is it the largest steel arch bridge on the planet, but it also spans one of the globe’s finest natural harbours.

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:03:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2182737
Subject: re: today I learned

“Nah, I was never in it. I just said I was because I knew no one actually watches that cack,” Brazilian Jiu Jitsu master and former actor Tom Hardy caused international uproar when he let slip during a recent interview that he was never Doctor Who.

“Yeah, basically to get your acting licence in England (that’s in London) you gotta be either Doctor Who or Paddington Bear. Or get an honorary licence by giving a crafty wank to a royal. I was gonna Prince Charles a cheeky hand shandy at Wimbledon, but he’s always been a bit old (pretty sure he was BORN a decrepit old git), so I was worried I might accidentally off him and get ‘anged for treason again.”

“So I lied. I’m not proud of it, but also I don’t care. Because I’m Mad Max… I think? George Miller stopped talking to me after I called him an Australian.”

“Bloody Daniel Radcliffe grassed me up to the Bri’ish Acting Guild (BAG) because he wants to be Venom. He’s always been jealous of me, the vicious little scrote. If he wasn’t so strong in the Force, I’d give him a right hiding.”

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:08:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2182739
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


“Nah, I was never in it. I just said I was because I knew no one actually watches that cack,” Brazilian Jiu Jitsu master and former actor Tom Hardy caused international uproar when he let slip during a recent interview that he was never Doctor Who.

“Yeah, basically to get your acting licence in England (that’s in London) you gotta be either Doctor Who or Paddington Bear. Or get an honorary licence by giving a crafty wank to a royal. I was gonna Prince Charles a cheeky hand shandy at Wimbledon, but he’s always been a bit old (pretty sure he was BORN a decrepit old git), so I was worried I might accidentally off him and get ‘anged for treason again.”

“So I lied. I’m not proud of it, but also I don’t care. Because I’m Mad Max… I think? George Miller stopped talking to me after I called him an Australian.”

“Bloody Daniel Radcliffe grassed me up to the Bri’ish Acting Guild (BAG) because he wants to be Venom. He’s always been jealous of me, the vicious little scrote. If he wasn’t so strong in the Force, I’d give him a right hiding.”

Well that’s a bit rude :)

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:11:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2182742
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

“Nah, I was never in it. I just said I was because I knew no one actually watches that cack,” Brazilian Jiu Jitsu master and former actor Tom Hardy caused international uproar when he let slip during a recent interview that he was never Doctor Who.

“Yeah, basically to get your acting licence in England (that’s in London) you gotta be either Doctor Who or Paddington Bear. Or get an honorary licence by giving a crafty wank to a royal. I was gonna Prince Charles a cheeky hand shandy at Wimbledon, but he’s always been a bit old (pretty sure he was BORN a decrepit old git), so I was worried I might accidentally off him and get ‘anged for treason again.”

“So I lied. I’m not proud of it, but also I don’t care. Because I’m Mad Max… I think? George Miller stopped talking to me after I called him an Australian.”

“Bloody Daniel Radcliffe grassed me up to the Bri’ish Acting Guild (BAG) because he wants to be Venom. He’s always been jealous of me, the vicious little scrote. If he wasn’t so strong in the Force, I’d give him a right hiding.”

Well that’s a bit rude :)

yes. the funny thing is Tom Hardy is apparently a really nice bloke.

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:12:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2182743
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

“Nah, I was never in it. I just said I was because I knew no one actually watches that cack,” Brazilian Jiu Jitsu master and former actor Tom Hardy caused international uproar when he let slip during a recent interview that he was never Doctor Who.

“Yeah, basically to get your acting licence in England (that’s in London) you gotta be either Doctor Who or Paddington Bear. Or get an honorary licence by giving a crafty wank to a royal. I was gonna Prince Charles a cheeky hand shandy at Wimbledon, but he’s always been a bit old (pretty sure he was BORN a decrepit old git), so I was worried I might accidentally off him and get ‘anged for treason again.”

“So I lied. I’m not proud of it, but also I don’t care. Because I’m Mad Max… I think? George Miller stopped talking to me after I called him an Australian.”

“Bloody Daniel Radcliffe grassed me up to the Bri’ish Acting Guild (BAG) because he wants to be Venom. He’s always been jealous of me, the vicious little scrote. If he wasn’t so strong in the Force, I’d give him a right hiding.”

Well that’s a bit rude :)

yes. the funny thing is Tom Hardy is apparently a really nice bloke.

… or so he says.

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Date: 5/08/2024 10:16:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2182747
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Well that’s a bit rude :)

yes. the funny thing is Tom Hardy is apparently a really nice bloke.

… or so he says.

…and he’ll thump anyone who says that he isn’t.

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Date: 5/08/2024 12:03:37
From: dv
ID: 2182800
Subject: re: today I learned

The Runic alphabet probably derived from Old Italic alphabets which were the precursor to the Latin alphabet.

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Date: 6/08/2024 08:46:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2183087
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 6/08/2024 08:50:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2183092
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

So they’re still buying into the fear and uncertainty and doubt.

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Date: 6/08/2024 08:50:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2183093
Subject: re: today I learned

I liked the statement down the bottom.

JudgeMental said:



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Date: 6/08/2024 08:53:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2183094
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

I liked the statement down the bottom.

JudgeMental said:


Ah well we have different tastes we guess.

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Date: 6/08/2024 09:05:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2183105
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.popsci.com/science/ancient-gold-coins/

Link

Archeologists uncover hoard of gold coins linked to ancient mercenaries
The 2,600-year-old Persian darics covered a soldier’s pay for about one month.

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Date: 7/08/2024 17:37:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2183578
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that, despite my best efforts, Australia does not figure in the top ten countries for alcohol consumption.

From The CIA World Fact Book:

Australia comes in at 27th, NZ at 32nd, and the USA at a trifling 35th.

The UK is slightly more sozzled, at 24th, but there we are, with the Cook Islands, of all places, having the most shit-faced population on the planet.

The Kiwis are always sticking their bib in arounf the Cook Is. I wonder what they make of this?

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Date: 7/08/2024 17:38:44
From: dv
ID: 2183582
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


TIL that, despite my best efforts, Australia does not figure in the top ten countries for alcohol consumption.

From The CIA World Fact Book:

Australia comes in at 27th, NZ at 32nd, and the USA at a trifling 35th.

The UK is slightly more sozzled, at 24th, but there we are, with the Cook Islands, of all places, having the most shit-faced population on the planet.

The Kiwis are always sticking their bib in arounf the Cook Is. I wonder what they make of this?

Ireland not there either.
Disgrace.

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Date: 7/08/2024 18:37:56
From: Arts
ID: 2183615
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 7/08/2024 18:43:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2183617
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:



Never known of anyone who could see out of their arse, but i’ve run across a few who could talk out of it.

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Date: 7/08/2024 19:09:06
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2183622
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Arts said:


Never known of anyone who could see out of their arse, but i’ve run across a few who could talk out of it.

Hehe

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Date: 8/08/2024 07:50:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2183760
Subject: re: today I learned

The first AI project was the Perceptron in 1958, that was said to be able to “walk, talk, see, write, reproduce itself and be conscious of its existence”

This was followed by the first “AI winter” in the 1970’s.

From a review of “Why Machines Learn” by Anil Ananthaswamy.

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Date: 8/08/2024 08:11:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2183765
Subject: re: today I learned

All the stuff that Pierre de Fermat got up to:

“Pierre de Fermat (French: ; between 31 October and 6 December 1607 – 12 January 1665) was a French mathematician who is given credit for early developments that led to infinitesimal calculus, including his technique of adequality. In particular, he is recognized for his discovery of an original method of finding the greatest and the smallest ordinates of curved lines, which is analogous to that of differential calculus, then unknown, and his research into number theory. He made notable contributions to analytic geometry, probability, and optics. He is best known for his Fermat’s principle for light propagation and his Fermat’s Last Theorem in number theory, which he described in a note at the margin of a copy of Diophantus’ Arithmetica. He was also a lawyer at the Parlement of Toulouse, France.”

I mean, I knew the name, and had a (very) vague idea what he did, but not how much, or even that his work was so early.

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Date: 8/08/2024 08:14:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2183766
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The first AI project was the Perceptron in 1958, that was said to be able to “walk, talk, see, write, reproduce itself and be conscious of its existence”

This was followed by the first “AI winter” in the 1970’s.

From a review of “Why Machines Learn” by Anil Ananthaswamy.

so when that other guy is saying that singularity is happening next year should we be skeptical

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Date: 8/08/2024 08:16:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2183767
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The first AI project was the Perceptron in 1958, that was said to be able to “walk, talk, see, write, reproduce itself and be conscious of its existence”

This was followed by the first “AI winter” in the 1970’s.

From a review of “Why Machines Learn” by Anil Ananthaswamy.

so when that other guy is saying that singularity is happening next year should we be skeptical

We should always be skeptical.

Especially of statements saying what we should always do.

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Date: 8/08/2024 08:34:51
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2183772
Subject: re: today I learned

That Australia has the same number of athletes in the Olympic ‘cycling mountain bike’ events as does Lichtenstein: 1. (And that’s the whole and entire Lichtenstein Olympic team, right there.)

And that Australia has almost as many tae-kwon-do competitors as does the home of the sport, South Korea: 3 from Aus, 4 from SK. I thought SK would have had a few more than that.

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Date: 8/08/2024 12:27:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2183855
Subject: re: today I learned

Fuck IRI and Supreme Leaders and Stuxnet

light isotope molecules (1H and 16O) evaporated preferentially, resulting in the enrichment of heavy isotopes (2H and 18O) on the soil surface

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Date: 9/08/2024 09:57:28
From: btm
ID: 2184142
Subject: re: today I learned

That George Orwell lived at 27B Canonbury Square. In flat 6.

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Date: 9/08/2024 09:59:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2184144
Subject: re: today I learned

That Crew of Titan sub knew they were going to die before implosion, lawsuit claims

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Date: 10/08/2024 08:30:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2184466
Subject: re: today I learned

“Slow running” is better for fat reduction than high intensity training.

ref: NS 27th July 24

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Date: 10/08/2024 09:02:16
From: Tamb
ID: 2184470
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


“Slow running” is better for fat reduction than high intensity training.

ref: NS 27th July 24


Cool Runnings is far more entertaining.

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Date: 10/08/2024 09:27:23
From: Michael V
ID: 2184478
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

“Slow running” is better for fat reduction than high intensity training.

ref: NS 27th July 24


Cool Runnings is far more entertaining.

:)

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Date: 10/08/2024 09:28:51
From: OCDC
ID: 2184479
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

“Slow running” is better for fat reduction than high intensity training.

ref: NS 27th July 24

I’ll continue my slow waddle and wait for journals to catch up with the trend.

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Date: 10/08/2024 10:23:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2184525
Subject: re: today I learned

Brian Cox Found New Solution To The Fermi Paradox And It Isn’t Good

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Date: 10/08/2024 10:35:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2184538
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Brian Cox Found New Solution To The Fermi Paradox And It Isn’t Good

Sigh.

OK, a good summary, but “new solution”?

Hardly.

(But I only did a quick scan of the transcript, so if I missed something, please let me know).

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Date: 10/08/2024 10:36:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2184540
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Brian Cox Found New Solution To The Fermi Paradox And It Isn’t Good

Sigh.

OK, a good summary, but “new solution”?

Hardly.

(But I only did a quick scan of the transcript, so if I missed something, please let me know).

:) Thanks for your report.

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Date: 10/08/2024 12:47:37
From: dv
ID: 2184576
Subject: re: today I learned

It’s 200 years since brown sauce was invented by Henderson William Brand, a chef working for the King.

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Date: 10/08/2024 15:37:27
From: Michael V
ID: 2184647
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


It’s 200 years since brown sauce was invented by Henderson William Brand, a chef working for the King.

And it seems that A.1. Sauce is not available in Woolies.

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Date: 10/08/2024 15:41:29
From: dv
ID: 2184652
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

It’s 200 years since brown sauce was invented by Henderson William Brand, a chef working for the King.

And it seems that A.1. Sauce is not available in Woolies.

Outrageous

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Date: 10/08/2024 16:20:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2184671
Subject: re: today I learned

The first altitude world record for a fixed wing aircraft was set in 1890, by Clément Ader piloting the Éole, which rose to an altitude of 8 inches.

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Date: 10/08/2024 16:23:38
From: Michael V
ID: 2184674
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

It’s 200 years since brown sauce was invented by Henderson William Brand, a chef working for the King.

And it seems that A.1. Sauce is not available in Woolies.

Outrageous

Absolutely.

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Date: 10/08/2024 16:25:33
From: dv
ID: 2184676
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The first altitude world record for a fixed wing aircraft was set in 1890, by Clément Ader piloting the Éole, which rose to an altitude of 8 inches.

Well that is interesting

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Date: 10/08/2024 18:23:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2184709
Subject: re: today I learned

So blowing warm air downwards doesn’t mix air in a room, only blowing cool air upwards does.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-08/your-ceiling-fan-has-a-hidden-switch-that-can-save-you-money-on-/104191142

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Date: 11/08/2024 15:33:57
From: dv
ID: 2184943
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned the name Shapiro derives from the town of Speyer in Germany, which was formerly called Spira.

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Date: 11/08/2024 15:39:43
From: dv
ID: 2184945
Subject: re: today I learned

Mainz in Germany was founded by the Romans in 12 BC, as a stronghold called Mogontiacum.

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Date: 11/08/2024 15:42:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2184946
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Mainz in Germany was founded by the Romans in 12 BC, as a stronghold called Mogontiacum.

cum means with.

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Date: 11/08/2024 16:05:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2184955
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned the name Shapiro derives from the town of Speyer in Germany, which was formerly called Spira.

TILAW

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Date: 11/08/2024 16:50:22
From: dv
ID: 2184974
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/g_By1yXX46o?si=bDquKWEoRvoU9sf3

Churchill’s plans for a federated Britain.

——

In fairness the UK does kind of have a limited distributed federalism. It’s just that one the the regions contains >90% of the population.

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Date: 11/08/2024 16:57:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2184976
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtu.be/g_By1yXX46o?si=bDquKWEoRvoU9sf3

Churchill’s plans for a federated Britain.

——

In fairness the UK does kind of have a limited distributed federalism. It’s just that one the the regions contains >90% of the population.

Bing tells me that the population of UK excluding England is about 10.5 million.

It also told me that the population of England was the same as the population of the UK, but I’ll assume it was just making a little joke.

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Date: 11/08/2024 17:13:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2184980
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

https://youtu.be/g_By1yXX46o?si=bDquKWEoRvoU9sf3

Churchill’s plans for a federated Britain.

——

In fairness the UK does kind of have a limited distributed federalism. It’s just that one the the regions contains >90% of the population.

Bing tells me that the population of UK excluding England is about 10.5 million.

It also told me that the population of England was the same as the population of the UK, but I’ll assume it was just making a little joke.

Bing AI is probably a big fan of Quora.

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Date: 11/08/2024 17:16:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2184982
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

https://youtu.be/g_By1yXX46o?si=bDquKWEoRvoU9sf3

Churchill’s plans for a federated Britain.

——

In fairness the UK does kind of have a limited distributed federalism. It’s just that one the the regions contains >90% of the population.

Bing tells me that the population of UK excluding England is about 10.5 million.

It also told me that the population of England was the same as the population of the UK, but I’ll assume it was just making a little joke.

Bing AI is probably a big fan of Quora.

:)

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Date: 11/08/2024 18:18:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2185002
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bing tells me that the population of UK excluding England is about 10.5 million.

It also told me that the population of England was the same as the population of the UK, but I’ll assume it was just making a little joke.

Bing AI is probably a big fan of Quora.

:)

Vauban (French: ), was a French military engineer and Marshal of France who worked under Louis XIV. He is generally considered the greatest engineer of his time, and one of the most important in European military history.

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Date: 12/08/2024 09:24:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2185080
Subject: re: today I learned

Isaac Asimov had an IQ of 160, but this was balanced by an exceptionally low Humility Index, so he thought he had only ever met two people who came close in intelligence (Carl Sagan and Marvin Minsky).

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Date: 12/08/2024 09:26:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2185081
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Isaac Asimov had an IQ of 160, but this was balanced by an exceptionally low Humility Index, so he thought he had only ever met two people who came close in intelligence (Carl Sagan and Marvin Minsky).

Never heard of Marvin.

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Date: 12/08/2024 09:55:08
From: esselte
ID: 2185093
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.safetydimensions.com.au/van-halen/

There’s a long tradition of musicians and actors adding absurd demands to their performance contracts just because they could.

Van Halen, the American hair rock band of the ’80s was infamous for this inclusion in their contract, Article 126, There will be no brown M&M’s in the backstage area, upon pain of forfeiture of the show, with full compensation.

For years this clause was seen as a frivolous and ego-maniacal expression of the rock and roll lifestyle.

In his book, Crazy From the Heat, original frontman David Lee Roth explains that the request was actually a quick safety assessment. With tonnes of stage equipment, high powered electronics, pyrotechnics and large crowds, the humble brown M&M was a warning signal to see if the stagehands had been paying attention to each detail of the written contract to ensure the safety of the band, crew and audience.

Lee Roth writes….

“So just as a little test, in the technical aspect of the rider, it would say Article 148: There will be fifteen amperage voltage sockets at twenty-foot spaces, evenly, providing nineteen amperes’ And article number 126, in the middle of nowhere, was: There will be no brown M&M’s in the backstage area, upon pain of forfeiture of the show, with full compensation.’

“So I would walk backstage, if I saw brown M&M’s in that bowl¦..well, line-check the entire production. Guaranteed you’re going to arrive at a technical error. They didn’t read the contract. Guaranteed you’d run into a problem. Sometimes it would threaten to just destroy the whole show. Something like, literally, life-threatening”.

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Date: 12/08/2024 09:58:27
From: Kingy
ID: 2185094
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Isaac Asimov had an IQ of 160, but this was balanced by an exceptionally low Humility Index, so he thought he had only ever met two people who came close in intelligence (Carl Sagan and Marvin Minsky).

Never heard of Marvin.

He was from Mars.

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Date: 12/08/2024 10:00:07
From: Tamb
ID: 2185095
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Isaac Asimov had an IQ of 160, but this was balanced by an exceptionally low Humility Index, so he thought he had only ever met two people who came close in intelligence (Carl Sagan and Marvin Minsky).

Never heard of Marvin.

He was from Mars.

Wasn’t he a paranoid android with a brain the size of a planet?

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Date: 12/08/2024 10:50:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2185113
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Kingy said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Never heard of Marvin.

He was from Mars.

Wasn’t he a paranoid android with a brain the size of a planet?

Well MM was a pioneer of AI, so I’m guessing that MTPA was named after him, but as my brain is well under the size of a planet, that might be wrong.

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Date: 12/08/2024 11:16:40
From: btm
ID: 2185125
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

Kingy said:

He was from Mars.

Wasn’t he a paranoid android with a brain the size of a planet?

Well MM was a pioneer of AI, so I’m guessing that MTPA was named after him, but as my brain is well under the size of a planet, that might be wrong.

MTPA was based on, and originally named after, an English comedy writer named Andrew Marshall (who cowrote Not the Nine O’Clock News, 2.4 Children, and The Burkiss Way (one of my favourite radio comedies)). Adams initially called the robot Marshall, but decided that would be misheard/misinterpreted as martial, so changed it to Marvin.

Minsky is still well-known in computer science, but his books and ideas have (mostly) been superseded.

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Date: 12/08/2024 11:38:01
From: kii
ID: 2185133
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 12/08/2024 12:03:19
From: Michael V
ID: 2185136
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:



LOL

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Date: 12/08/2024 12:09:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2185138
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/veritasium/videos/1699619977449176

Link

millennium bridge wobble.

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Date: 12/08/2024 13:18:10
From: dv
ID: 2185165
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/YUKZB1IMfWY?si=h_FTlqSZTG-vjwM_

This Jago Hazzard video about North End mentions the Bull and Bush made me wonder about the old music hall song “ Down at the Old Bull and Bush”, which was always the closing number on The Good Old Days, a British variety show that was on in the 1980s.

Turns out it was based on a 1902 song commission by Anheuser-Busch, the American brewing company. The song was called “Under the Anheuser Bush”.
The Bull and Bush version was popularised a couple of years later by Australian-born vaudevillian Florrie Forde.

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Date: 12/08/2024 13:24:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2185170
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtu.be/YUKZB1IMfWY?si=h_FTlqSZTG-vjwM_

This Jago Hazzard video about North End mentions the Bull and Bush made me wonder about the old music hall song “ Down at the Old Bull and Bush”, which was always the closing number on The Good Old Days, a British variety show that was on in the 1980s.

Turns out it was based on a 1902 song commission by Anheuser-Busch, the American brewing company. The song was called “Under the Anheuser Bush”.
The Bull and Bush version was popularised a couple of years later by Australian-born vaudevillian Florrie Forde.

That’s a bit of a surprise.

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Date: 12/08/2024 13:25:03
From: Tamb
ID: 2185171
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtu.be/YUKZB1IMfWY?si=h_FTlqSZTG-vjwM_

This Jago Hazzard video about North End mentions the Bull and Bush made me wonder about the old music hall song “ Down at the Old Bull and Bush”, which was always the closing number on The Good Old Days, a British variety show that was on in the 1980s.

Turns out it was based on a 1902 song commission by Anheuser-Busch, the American brewing company. The song was called “Under the Anheuser Bush”.
The Bull and Bush version was popularised a couple of years later by Australian-born vaudevillian Florrie Forde.

A Sydney venue, The Bull & Bush Hotel, a cherished Baulkham Hills icon in Sydney, has been a local favourite for over two centuries.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:33:33
From: OCDC
ID: 2185364
Subject: re: today I learned

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:38:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2185367
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Thanks for something new to investigate.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:40:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2185369
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

so she should have used those instead of death cap to be more subtle

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:41:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2185370
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Thanks for something new to investigate.

Good now it’s in your browser history.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:42:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2185373
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Thanks for something new to investigate.

Good now it’s in your browser history.

However, I’m not under scrutiny for attempted murder.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:44:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2185376
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Bugger.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:45:15
From: kii
ID: 2185377
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Thanks for something new to investigate.

Great! Come back and impress people with your incredible knowledge about it!

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:46:49
From: dv
ID: 2185379
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Bugger.

Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:48:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2185380
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Grass peas. Seems they are food crops in various countries despite the risk.

Diversity of Lathyrus sativus seed varieties. Broadly, grass pea germplasms can be divided into two groups: the Asian and Mediterranean groups with small and large seeds and on average a high and low ß-ODAP content, respectively, a Bangladesh, b China, c Ethiopia, d Canada, e India, f Nepal, g Portugal, h Poland, i China (scale: 5 mm)

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:49:47
From: dv
ID: 2185381
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Bugger.

Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:51:22
From: Michael V
ID: 2185383
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

OCDC said:

Lathyrism is a condition caused by eating certain legumes of the genus Lathyrus. There are three types of lathyrism: neurolathyrism, osteolathyrism, and angiolathyrism, all of which are incurable, differing in their symptoms and in the body tissues affected.

Symptoms
Weakness, fatigue, paralysis of the legs, atrophy of leg muscles, and skeletal deformities

TATE

Bugger.

Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

I’m sorry, but I don’t get it. Did you mean hydrofluoric acid?

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:55:02
From: OCDC
ID: 2185384
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

dv said:
Michael V said:
Bugger.
Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

Pb. TATE confirmed my belief.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:56:17
From: OCDC
ID: 2185385
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

dv said:
dv said:
Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

Pb. TATE confirmed my belief.
Actually it was the intergoogle, not TATE.

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Date: 13/08/2024 10:57:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2185386
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

Bugger.

Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

Ah. Ta. I spent nearly three years working with concentrated, near-boiling HF, extracting organic matter from early Permian sedimentary rocks. Interestingly, a 20 litre drum of HF was only twice the price of a half litre container. Shows how expensive the decanting precautions are.

Possibly a tar-lined container.

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Date: 13/08/2024 11:02:22
From: Tamb
ID: 2185388
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

dv said:

Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

Ah. Ta. I spent nearly three years working with concentrated, near-boiling HF, extracting organic matter from early Permian sedimentary rocks. Interestingly, a 20 litre drum of HF was only twice the price of a half litre container. Shows how expensive the decanting precautions are.

Possibly a tar-lined container.

Possibly a copper alloy.

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Date: 13/08/2024 11:12:13
From: dv
ID: 2185393
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


dv said:
dv said:
Always good to have something else to fear.

I personally have an irrational fear of hydrochloric acid poisoning. So insidious and irreversible.

Sorry, I meant hydrofluoric.

NTTICTTAI they synthesised it more than 200 years ago. What the heck did they store it in? You can’t keep it in a glass container and plastics weren’t invented back then.

Pb. TATE confirmed my belief.

Cheers

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Date: 13/08/2024 11:39:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2185417
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Thanks for something new to investigate.

Good now it’s in your browser history.

However, I’m not under scrutiny for attempted murder.

yet

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:25:52
From: dv
ID: 2185598
Subject: re: today I learned

In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:27:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2185600
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

so it was in the UK.

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:29:03
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2185601
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

Well that’s my learning for today.

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:34:38
From: OCDC
ID: 2185602
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

dv said:
In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.
so it was in the UK.
As featured in some of Jane Austen’s works. I’ve also seen it used in some Melbourne suburban local history books.

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:47:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2185603
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

i thought about this in 2004 on the way to New york from New Hampshire.

So they turned a pike and let you through?

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Date: 13/08/2024 19:52:20
From: party_pants
ID: 2185604
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

I already knew this.

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Date: 13/08/2024 20:35:01
From: dv
ID: 2185611
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

I already knew this.

I think I’d been lowkey baffled by this for 40 year or so but only now bothered to find out.

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Date: 13/08/2024 20:36:17
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2185613
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

I already knew this.

I think I’d been lowkey baffled by this for 40 year or so but only now bothered to find out.

another item to cross off your bucket list.

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Date: 13/08/2024 20:36:22
From: dv
ID: 2185614
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


JudgeMental said:
dv said:
In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.
so it was in the UK.
As featured in some of Jane Austen’s works. I’ve also seen it used in some Melbourne suburban local history books.

In the UK, it has more frequently been used to mean a toll gate.

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Date: 13/08/2024 20:38:51
From: party_pants
ID: 2185615
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

In the United States, a turnpike a toll road.

I already knew this.

I think I’d been lowkey baffled by this for 40 year or so but only now bothered to find out.

I read it in a novel. I think the Master & Commander series. Also commented on the new-fangled Macadamised roads. As I recall he was broke and in a hurry so they fooled the gatekeeper into letting them through.

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Date: 15/08/2024 09:24:59
From: dv
ID: 2185962
Subject: re: today I learned

John Saxby and the invention of interlocking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Saxby

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlocking

https://youtu.be/UCXav-ptPeA?si=md04JL8kwDtvbSlE

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Date: 16/08/2024 08:21:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2186355
Subject: re: today I learned

My learnin’ from Quora today:

“But new rhyming slang is produced all the time, from all over the UK. Some sticks, most doesn’t.

One that’s been heard in recent years is, “I’m going for a Donald”. Donald Trump = dump, a shit.

“Trump” has also had the primarily Northern English meaning of “fart” (as in the Last Trump) since long before Donald was a bairn.”

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Date: 17/08/2024 00:29:51
From: dv
ID: 2186665
Subject: re: today I learned

The glory of women: or, A treatise declaring the excellency and preheminence of women above men, which is proved both by scripture, law, reason, and authority, divine, and humane. Written first in Latine by Henricus Cornelius Agrippa Knight, and doctor both of law and physicke. And presented to Margaret Augusta, Queen of the Austrians and Burgundians. And now translated into English, for the vertuous and beautifull female sex of the Commonwealth of England By Edvv. Fleetvvood, Gent.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A75977.0001.001

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Date: 17/08/2024 00:34:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2186666
Subject: re: today I learned

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

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Date: 17/08/2024 00:48:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2186667
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

Sarah’s first boyfriend was a Christmas.

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Date: 17/08/2024 00:50:43
From: dv
ID: 2186668
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

Damn

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Date: 17/08/2024 01:02:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2186670
Subject: re: today I learned

Australia and India both have about 75 million sheep, and are both dwarfed by China which has about 187 million sheep.

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Date: 17/08/2024 07:49:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2186687
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

I had a close teenage friend, Barbara Christmas. Her mother’s maiden surname was Holliday. She could have been Barbara Christmas-Holliday.

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Date: 17/08/2024 07:50:28
From: Michael V
ID: 2186688
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

Sarah’s first boyfriend was a Christmas.

:)

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Date: 17/08/2024 08:04:07
From: kii
ID: 2186695
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

I had a close teenage friend, Barbara Christmas. Her mother’s maiden surname was Holliday. She could have been Barbara Christmas-Holliday.

Maiden name. Such an antiquated term.

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Date: 17/08/2024 08:07:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2186696
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

I had a close teenage friend, Barbara Christmas. Her mother’s maiden surname was Holliday. She could have been Barbara Christmas-Holliday.

Maiden name. Such an antiquated term.

Euromaidan Name

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Date: 17/08/2024 08:48:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2186702
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

I had a close teenage friend, Barbara Christmas. Her mother’s maiden surname was Holliday. She could have been Barbara Christmas-Holliday.

Maiden name. Such an antiquated term.

What do you suggest I replace it with?

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Date: 17/08/2024 09:01:01
From: Ian
ID: 2186705
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

The short term prime minister Earle Christmas Grafton Page had on odd name I have always thought.

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Date: 17/08/2024 09:12:25
From: Michael V
ID: 2186707
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Bubblecar said:

The blood disorder Christmas disease or haemophilia B was first described in (and named for) a boy with the surname Christmas and is observed in other people of the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_(surname)

The short term prime minister Earle Christmas Grafton Page had on odd name I have always thought.

“Earle Christmas Grafton Page was born in Grafton, New South Wales, on 8 August 1880. His first middle name, which he disliked, was given to him to carry on the surname of a childless relative, while his second middle name was in honour of his birthplace.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earle_Page

There’s a University college in Armidale named after Earle Page.

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Date: 17/08/2024 09:15:49
From: kii
ID: 2186708
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


kii said:

Michael V said:

I had a close teenage friend, Barbara Christmas. Her mother’s maiden surname was Holliday. She could have been Barbara Christmas-Holliday.

Maiden name. Such an antiquated term.

What do you suggest I replace it with?

Family name.

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Date: 17/08/2024 09:28:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2186709
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

Maiden name. Such an antiquated term.

What do you suggest I replace it with?

Family name.

Fair enough, thanks.

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Date: 18/08/2024 09:46:21
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2187118
Subject: re: today I learned

Flame rectification.

Electricity flows easier in one direction through a flame than the other.

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Date: 18/08/2024 09:54:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2187125
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:

Flame rectification.

Electricity flows easier in one direction through a flame than the other.

Yes John Ambrose Fleming

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Date: 18/08/2024 11:27:25
From: dv
ID: 2187159
Subject: re: today I learned

Fairly ordinary sort of thing. Toast, eggs, bacon, coffee.

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Date: 18/08/2024 11:29:00
From: OCDC
ID: 2187160
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Fairly ordinary sort of thing. Toast, eggs, bacon, coffee.
Indeed.

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Date: 18/08/2024 11:40:38
From: party_pants
ID: 2187163
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Fairly ordinary sort of thing. Toast, eggs, bacon, coffee.

I already knew about them. Especially coffee.

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Date: 18/08/2024 11:48:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2187170
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

Fairly ordinary sort of thing. Toast, eggs, bacon, coffee.

I already knew about them. Especially coffee.

LOL

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Date: 22/08/2024 20:01:24
From: dv
ID: 2188682
Subject: re: today I learned

P.G. Wodehouse was still writing up until his death in 1975.
His last novel, Aunts Aren’t Gentlemen, was published in 1974, while an unfinished novel, Sunset At Blandings, was posthumously published in 1977.

——

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Date: 22/08/2024 21:01:38
From: dv
ID: 2188702
Subject: re: today I learned

The banjo derives from various West African plucked lutes.

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Date: 22/08/2024 21:05:38
From: party_pants
ID: 2188704
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The banjo derives from various West African plucked lutes.

No good ever came from lute plucking!

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Date: 22/08/2024 21:11:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2188707
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The banjo derives from various West African plucked lutes.

so, it is another cultural appropriation…

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Date: 22/08/2024 21:13:46
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2188708
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

The banjo derives from various West African plucked lutes.

so, it is another cultural appropriation…

The quest for gold, and the rounding up of slaves for sale, were mere incidentals.

The real prize that the European brigands were after was…banjos!

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Date: 23/08/2024 06:10:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2188743
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

The banjo derives from various West African plucked lutes.

so, it is another cultural appropriation…

The quest for gold, and the rounding up of slaves for sale, were mere incidentals.

The real prize that the European brigands were after was…banjos!

what about the quest for breakdancing and other athletic gold

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Date: 25/08/2024 00:29:04
From: dv
ID: 2189522
Subject: re: today I learned

Samantha Fox is a lesbian

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:36:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189560
Subject: re: today I learned

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:42:43
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2189563
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

confusion? you can count on it!

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:42:43
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2189564
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

confusion? you can count on it!

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:43:15
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2189566
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

confusion? you can count on it!

and a double post because, hanging

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:43:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189567
Subject: re: today I learned

only alephtist would say such things

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:45:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189570
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

confusion? you can count on it!

and a double post because, hanging

You can count on that as well.

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:53:18
From: Tamb
ID: 2189573
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

only alephtist would say such things


Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:57:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189575
Subject: re: today I learned

Speaking of Marxists, have a listen to this distinguished mathematician https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ singing about i2, ℵ, a 𝜋 logarithm…

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Date: 25/08/2024 09:58:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189576
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


SCIENCE said:

only alephtist would say such things


Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

Think he said Aleph. Whoever he is.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:00:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189579
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

only alephtist would say such things

Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

Speaking of Marxists, have a listen to this distinguished mathematician https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ singing about i2, ℵ, a 𝜋 logarithm…

and rivers, speaking of all that

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:01:25
From: Tamb
ID: 2189580
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of Marxists, have a listen to this distinguished mathematician https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ singing about i2, ℵ, a 𝜋 logarithm…


That looks suspiciously like mathematics and so will leave it to you numerically-minded persons.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:04:37
From: Tamb
ID: 2189582
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

only alephtist would say such things


Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

Think he said Aleph. Whoever he is.

My quote was from Kubla Khan a poem written by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:05:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189585
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


SCIENCE said:

Speaking of Marxists, have a listen to this distinguished mathematician https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ singing about i2, ℵ, a 𝜋 logarithm…


That looks suspiciously like mathematics and so will leave it to you numerically-minded persons.

:)

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:07:05
From: Tamb
ID: 2189589
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

Think he said Aleph. Whoever he is.

My quote was from Kubla Khan a poem written by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.


Also Xanadu, a song by Olivia Newton-John.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:08:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189592
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

Speaking of Marxists, have a listen to this distinguished mathematician https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ singing about i2, ℵ, a 𝜋 logarithm…

That looks suspiciously like mathematics and so will leave it to you numerically-minded persons.

:)

actually we take it back the hazard rate is actually statistics not mathematics sorry

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:10:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189594
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Is this the Alph to which you refer?
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran. Through caverns measureless to man. Down to a sunless sea.

Think he said Aleph. Whoever he is.

My quote was from Kubla Khan a poem written by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

Right. I don’t recall reading that one. So that will be a job for when it’s raining outside. Maaring is oone of the things I shold do first.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:30:16
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2189606
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:35:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189610
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

No. Either it is finite or infinite. There is no such thing as “nearly infinite”.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:37:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189613
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

No. Either it is finite or infinite. There is no such thing as “nearly infinite”.

what about practically infinite

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:39:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189615
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

No. Either it is finite or infinite. There is no such thing as “nearly infinite”.

what about practically infinite

No true mathemagician would be seen dead using such language.

We engineers deal with “practically infinite” stuff all the time of course.

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:41:54
From: dv
ID: 2189617
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

No. Either it is finite or infinite. There is no such thing as “nearly infinite”.

Now who’s the absolutist boofhead eh?

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Date: 25/08/2024 10:43:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189618
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Is a set that is nearly infinite the same as a set that is countably infinite?

No. Either it is finite or infinite. There is no such thing as “nearly infinite”.

Now who’s the absolutist boofhead eh?

Georg Ferdinand Ludwig Philipp Cantor

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Date: 25/08/2024 11:08:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189631
Subject: re: today I learned

Coming back to real world stuff, I learned that the cartoonist All Cap sexually molested Goldie Hawn when she was 19, amongst many others.

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Date: 25/08/2024 11:10:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2189634
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Coming back to real world stuff, I learned that the cartoonist All Cap sexually molested Goldie Hawn when she was 19, amongst many others.

ALL CAPS WAS A BASTARD

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Date: 25/08/2024 12:00:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2189649
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

It’s the difference between all numbers in the set appearing in a list of all numbers in the set, and there being other numbers that don’t appear in the list.

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Date: 25/08/2024 12:35:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189678
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

It’s the difference between all numbers in the set appearing in a list of all numbers in the set, and there being other numbers that don’t appear in the list.

OK, but why is that significant?

Are there any useful mathematical methods that depend on that distinction?

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:03:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2189693
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Although the terms “countable” and “countably infinite” as defined here are quite common, the terminology is not universal. An alternative style uses countable to mean what is here called countably infinite, and at most countable to mean what is here called countable.

And I’m still not sure what the significance of sets being countable or uncountable is.

It’s the difference between all numbers in the set appearing in a list of all numbers in the set, and there being other numbers that don’t appear in the list.

OK, but why is that significant?

Are there any useful mathematical methods that depend on that distinction?

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:34:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189708
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s the difference between all numbers in the set appearing in a list of all numbers in the set, and there being other numbers that don’t appear in the list.

OK, but why is that significant?

Are there any useful mathematical methods that depend on that distinction?

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:40:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189716
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, but why is that significant?

Are there any useful mathematical methods that depend on that distinction?

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

It all counts. ;)

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:41:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189718
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, but why is that significant?

Are there any useful mathematical methods that depend on that distinction?

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:42:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189721
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

Even the pyramid builders left small room for error.

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:43:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189722
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

just extend it to computational science and software engineering

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:44:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189724
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

Even the pyramid builders left small room for error.

With your fascination with mechanical clocks, I’m surprised you would use the Pyramids as an example of precision :)

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:51:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2189728
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Couple of answers here that might help:

Are there any practical real world applications of Cantor’s theories about infinite sets?

https://www.reddit.com/r/askmath/comments/874tre/are_there_any_practical_real_world_applications/

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

It also has relevance to cosmology, and the question of whether space-time is continuous or quantised. But I won’t go into that now ‘cos I’m going to play the lute for a while.

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:51:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189729
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

Even the pyramid builders left small room for error.

With your fascination with mechanical clocks, I’m surprised you would use the Pyramids as an example of precision :)

Oh if you want to go there, Let me compare a clock to the engine of your car.
If you had the same tolerances of a clock in your car engine, It wouldn’t get 100m without blowing up.

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Date: 25/08/2024 13:55:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189732
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sigh, I suppose I’ll have to go and read that now.

(Just my way of saying thanks).

OK that was a quick read :)

Not that impressed with the answers.

I think it’s all an example of mathematicians wanting to extend everything to infinite precision, whereas engineers know that all mathematical models are simplifications of reality, so are happy to accept approximations.

It also has relevance to cosmology, and the question of whether space-time is continuous or quantised. But I won’t go into that now ‘cos I’m going to play the lute for a while.

Only to an excessively mathematically inclined cosmologists. :)

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Date: 25/08/2024 14:01:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189734
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Even the pyramid builders left small room for error.

With your fascination with mechanical clocks, I’m surprised you would use the Pyramids as an example of precision :)

Oh if you want to go there, Let me compare a clock to the engine of your car.
If you had the same tolerances of a clock in your car engine, It wouldn’t get 100m without blowing up.

we thought blowing up was how most cars get around

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Date: 25/08/2024 14:03:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189735
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

With your fascination with mechanical clocks, I’m surprised you would use the Pyramids as an example of precision :)

Oh if you want to go there, Let me compare a clock to the engine of your car.
If you had the same tolerances of a clock in your car engine, It wouldn’t get 100m without blowing up.

we thought blowing up was how most cars get around

I’m talking about conrods through the block and bent valve stems.

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Date: 25/08/2024 14:07:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189739
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Oh if you want to go there, Let me compare a clock to the engine of your car.
If you had the same tolerances of a clock in your car engine, It wouldn’t get 100m without blowing up.

we thought blowing up was how most cars get around

I’m talking about conrods through the block and bent valve stems.

By the same: If the wheels of a locomotive were turn as many revolutions as the balance wheel of a watch does in a day, the locomotive would have had to travel the circumference of the earth 28 times and have to need as many complete overhauls.

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Date: 25/08/2024 22:24:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189937
Subject: re: today I learned

that Kamala Harris’ father, Donald, is still alive.

I guess I should have known that, but I just assumed he wasn’t, because she isn’t all that young.

But reading a Quora post, it said he was still living, and was an extreme communist, so his little girl must be as well.

So I looked him up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

I was quite impressed.

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Date: 25/08/2024 23:39:14
From: dv
ID: 2189944
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Kamala Harris’ father, Donald, is still alive.

I guess I should have known that, but I just assumed he wasn’t, because she isn’t all that young.

But reading a Quora post, it said he was still living, and was an extreme communist, so his little girl must be as well.

So I looked him up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

I was quite impressed.

I mean I was talking about him in the US Politics thread just the other day

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Date: 26/08/2024 01:29:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189950
Subject: re: today I learned

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

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Date: 26/08/2024 07:36:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189956
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that Kamala Harris’ father, Donald, is still alive.

I guess I should have known that, but I just assumed he wasn’t, because she isn’t all that young.

But reading a Quora post, it said he was still living, and was an extreme communist, so his little girl must be as well.

So I looked him up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

I was quite impressed.

I mean I was talking about him in the US Politics thread just the other day

I apologise on behalf of my brain, for it not remembering your every word posted here :)

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Date: 26/08/2024 07:49:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2189958
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:00:16
From: ruby
ID: 2189959
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Same.
But I now know that whippletree is…….
an archaic term for swingletree

Hmmm.

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:37:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189963
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Same.
But I now know that whippletree is…….
an archaic term for swingletree

Hmmm.

:)

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:47:56
From: Tamb
ID: 2189966
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Never heard of a whippletree but I do know what a shoe tree is.

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:52:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2189967
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Is a fractal vise a compression whippletree?

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:52:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189968
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Never heard of a whippletree but I do know what a shoe tree is.

I’ve seen a thong tree.

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Date: 26/08/2024 08:54:37
From: Michael V
ID: 2189969
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Never heard of a whippletree but I do know what a shoe tree is.

I have a pair or shoe trees here.

I will eventually make a display from them.

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Date: 26/08/2024 09:16:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2189973
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

We just realised that The Rev Dodgson never taught us about whippletrees.

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Is a fractal vise a compression whippletree?

oh nice good thinking though we’re still trying to get over not having heard of the tension device name

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Date: 26/08/2024 09:22:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189975
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Is a fractal vise a compression whippletree?

oh nice good thinking though we’re still trying to get over not having heard of the tension device name

To be fair, the name isn’t used a lot in this day and age.

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Date: 26/08/2024 09:30:06
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2189977
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have to confess my ignorance of whippletrees, prior to just now.

Never heard of a whippletree but I do know what a shoe tree is.

I have a pair or shoe trees here.

I will eventually make a display from them.

we used newspaper.

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Date: 26/08/2024 09:37:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2189979
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Never heard of a whippletree but I do know what a shoe tree is.

I have a pair or shoe trees here.

I will eventually make a display from them.

we used newspaper.

Yeah you don’t see that very often these days.

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Date: 26/08/2024 17:57:57
From: dv
ID: 2190055
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that Kamala Harris’ father, Donald, is still alive.

I guess I should have known that, but I just assumed he wasn’t, because she isn’t all that young.

But reading a Quora post, it said he was still living, and was an extreme communist, so his little girl must be as well.

So I looked him up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

I was quite impressed.

I mean I was talking about him in the US Politics thread just the other day

I apologise on behalf of my brain, for it not remembering your every word posted here :)

It’ll have to come up

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Date: 27/08/2024 16:42:18
From: dv
ID: 2190309
Subject: re: today I learned

The biggest powerplant in the UK, both in terms of capacity and output, is the 2.6 GW Drax Power Station. It produces about 6% of the UK’s electricity. Drax burns biomass products of various kinds and is, near as I can tell, the largest thermal power plant in the world running on renewable energy.

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Date: 27/08/2024 16:53:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2190313
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The biggest powerplant in the UK, both in terms of capacity and output, is the 2.6 GW Drax Power Station. It produces about 6% of the UK’s electricity. Drax burns biomass products of various kinds and is, near as I can tell, the largest thermal power plant in the world running on renewable energy.

If TATE has it right, the 6% includes the output of the coal fired plant that is no longer operating.

Still, 2.6 GW is quite a lot.

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Date: 27/08/2024 20:12:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2190383
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The biggest powerplant in the UK, both in terms of capacity and output, is the 2.6 GW Drax Power Station. It produces about 6% of the UK’s electricity. Drax burns biomass products of various kinds and is, near as I can tell, the largest thermal power plant in the world running on renewable energy.

Funny you should bring this up. I am presently watching a video about this. It just happened to be in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ngoi8Gy6Y

Link

New report: Biomass CO2 emissions 4X higher than COAL

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Date: 27/08/2024 20:59:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2190396
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

The biggest powerplant in the UK, both in terms of capacity and output, is the 2.6 GW Drax Power Station. It produces about 6% of the UK’s electricity. Drax burns biomass products of various kinds and is, near as I can tell, the largest thermal power plant in the world running on renewable energy.

Funny you should bring this up. I am presently watching a video about this. It just happened to be in my feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ngoi8Gy6Y

Link

New report: Biomass CO2 emissions 4X higher than COAL

what’s the timescale

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Date: 28/08/2024 07:42:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2190468
Subject: re: today I learned

of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

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Date: 28/08/2024 07:44:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2190470
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

what’s the précis

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Date: 28/08/2024 07:48:36
From: Ian
ID: 2190473
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

what’s the précis

He’s just awwwwful

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Date: 28/08/2024 08:00:54
From: Michael V
ID: 2190476
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

I have to sign up to read that.

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Date: 28/08/2024 08:12:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2190478
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

I have to sign up to read that.

No. Just read it. Signing in isn’t compulsory.

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Date: 28/08/2024 08:18:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2190479
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

I have to sign up to read that.

No. Just read it. Signing in isn’t compulsory.

It is here. It’s a free sign-up, but they still collect my information.

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Date: 28/08/2024 08:19:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2190480
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I have to sign up to read that.

No. Just read it. Signing in isn’t compulsory.

It is here. It’s a free sign-up, but they still collect my information.

Don’t want to force anyone to join Quora :)

I think, being right up there would be the story presented in the documentary film, “You’ve Been Trumped.” It has to do with how Trump treated this 91 year old farmer lady from Scotland.

Her name was Molly Forbes. The was a former “Land Girl” during WW2. Those were young women who kept the farnms going for the victory harvest when the men had gone off to fight, and the farmers needed more help. She and her son lived in a modest farm on the northern coast of Scotland. Unfortunately for Mrs. Forbes, Mr Trump wanted to buy her farm for a golf course he wished to build on the protected dunes of the area.

The documentary tells the story of Trump’s crews having “accidentally” cut off the water to the elder ladies farm. And somehow, this genius of the construction business who claims he “knows more about infrastructure than anybody”, and constructs office buildings, border walls, and other amazing things was unable to get her water supply fixed for over 5 years.

According to the film, not only did the 91 year old woman have to revert to hauling water from a nearby stream to her modest home in order to flush the toilet, but she had to take baths using buckets of water as she stood in a basin. Her primary heat in northern Scotland winters was from radiators. No water, no radiators. So she was forced to use portable electric heaters to warm her home.

Trump Jr and Company claimed to be trying to repair her water supply. One broken pipe. For five years the only water she had, when she had water, was brown brackish water from the roadway. Her water was finally fixed when her son went onto Trump’s land, and dug up and repaired the broken line, himself.

For those who thinks Trump cares about “the little guy” check out these quotes about the late great Molly Forbes and her son Michael and their modest farm on which they had lived in for decades.This is how Mr Trump feels about those of modest means. He is not their hero. They are just unpleasant, disgusting obstacles.

““I look at Mr Forbes and the disgusting conditions in which he lives. And people have to look at that.”

“I look at his place and it is a pigsty. Do I regret that? NO, I don’t regret that. It’s a pig sty. And I think the people of Aberdeen should be embarrassed and I think, frankly the people of Scotland would be embarrassed.”

‘Look at Mr Forbes and the disgusting conditions in which he lives. And its about time somebody spoke up.”

He things a nation should be embarrassed by thier less than wealthy farmers. Perhaps He thinks Scotland should Make itself Great Again by running off such embarrassing individuals. Make thm all sell their property to billionaires.

If you have any curiosity about this, go on youtube and look up the story. The documentary is “You’ve Been Trumped.”

Also, in the film, there is a scene where Trump tells an assistant, “Sarah, I want that house gone.” To which she replies, “That is going to cause a stir”. His reply is a curt, “Who cares. Who cares. You know what? Who cares.”

You won’t hear him talk like that at his rallies. You have to be in the car with him to get those moments.

I find his suggestion we terminate the constitution to be unbelievable, the inspiring an attack on the Capitol to be disgusting, his sexual assaults on women, his going backstage to leer at beauty pageant contestants as they change clothes disgusting. But this attack on a simple 91 year old woman by a powerful titan of industry who was running for the presidency of the United States to be just plain shameful.

I wonder if his children were proud of their father and how he treated this strong lady. Sadly, she has passed on now. But her son still holds the farm.

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Date: 28/08/2024 08:34:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2190482
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I have to sign up to read that.

No. Just read it. Signing in isn’t compulsory.

It is here. It’s a free sign-up, but they still collect my information.

I’ve never had to sign up but then I only read. I don’t intend to contribute.

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Date: 28/08/2024 09:14:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2190484
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

No. Just read it. Signing in isn’t compulsory.

It is here. It’s a free sign-up, but they still collect my information.

Don’t want to force anyone to join Quora :)

I think, being right up there would be the story presented in the documentary film, “You’ve Been Trumped.” It has to do with how Trump treated this 91 year old farmer lady from Scotland.

Her name was Molly Forbes. The was a former “Land Girl” during WW2. Those were young women who kept the farnms going for the victory harvest when the men had gone off to fight, and the farmers needed more help. She and her son lived in a modest farm on the northern coast of Scotland. Unfortunately for Mrs. Forbes, Mr Trump wanted to buy her farm for a golf course he wished to build on the protected dunes of the area.

The documentary tells the story of Trump’s crews having “accidentally” cut off the water to the elder ladies farm. And somehow, this genius of the construction business who claims he “knows more about infrastructure than anybody”, and constructs office buildings, border walls, and other amazing things was unable to get her water supply fixed for over 5 years.

According to the film, not only did the 91 year old woman have to revert to hauling water from a nearby stream to her modest home in order to flush the toilet, but she had to take baths using buckets of water as she stood in a basin. Her primary heat in northern Scotland winters was from radiators. No water, no radiators. So she was forced to use portable electric heaters to warm her home.

Trump Jr and Company claimed to be trying to repair her water supply. One broken pipe. For five years the only water she had, when she had water, was brown brackish water from the roadway. Her water was finally fixed when her son went onto Trump’s land, and dug up and repaired the broken line, himself.

For those who thinks Trump cares about “the little guy” check out these quotes about the late great Molly Forbes and her son Michael and their modest farm on which they had lived in for decades.This is how Mr Trump feels about those of modest means. He is not their hero. They are just unpleasant, disgusting obstacles.

““I look at Mr Forbes and the disgusting conditions in which he lives. And people have to look at that.”

“I look at his place and it is a pigsty. Do I regret that? NO, I don’t regret that. It’s a pig sty. And I think the people of Aberdeen should be embarrassed and I think, frankly the people of Scotland would be embarrassed.”

‘Look at Mr Forbes and the disgusting conditions in which he lives. And its about time somebody spoke up.”

He things a nation should be embarrassed by thier less than wealthy farmers. Perhaps He thinks Scotland should Make itself Great Again by running off such embarrassing individuals. Make thm all sell their property to billionaires.

If you have any curiosity about this, go on youtube and look up the story. The documentary is “You’ve Been Trumped.”

Also, in the film, there is a scene where Trump tells an assistant, “Sarah, I want that house gone.” To which she replies, “That is going to cause a stir”. His reply is a curt, “Who cares. Who cares. You know what? Who cares.”

You won’t hear him talk like that at his rallies. You have to be in the car with him to get those moments.

I find his suggestion we terminate the constitution to be unbelievable, the inspiring an attack on the Capitol to be disgusting, his sexual assaults on women, his going backstage to leer at beauty pageant contestants as they change clothes disgusting. But this attack on a simple 91 year old woman by a powerful titan of industry who was running for the presidency of the United States to be just plain shameful.

I wonder if his children were proud of their father and how he treated this strong lady. Sadly, she has passed on now. But her son still holds the farm.

Thanks.

:)

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Date: 28/08/2024 10:06:28
From: dv
ID: 2190531
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Molly Forbes:

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-most-shameful-thing-that-Donald-Trump-has-done

I agree with Chen Yongqi.
He really was in a position to get ahead of the curve as we did in Australia and prevent 2 million deaths of his countrymen.

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Date: 28/08/2024 10:10:02
From: dv
ID: 2190535
Subject: re: today I learned

The last child of a US Civil War veteran died in 2020.
She was also the last recipient ofa Civil War pension. Because of her disability she was eligible for a pension as a helpless child of a civil war veteran.

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Date: 30/08/2024 09:34:07
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191089
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 30/08/2024 09:38:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191090
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Good that you are learning. ;)

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Date: 30/08/2024 09:42:54
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191092
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 30/08/2024 09:44:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191093
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



:)

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Date: 30/08/2024 10:07:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2191105
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Like.

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Date: 30/08/2024 13:30:48
From: Kingy
ID: 2191236
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

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Date: 30/08/2024 13:49:52
From: Tamb
ID: 2191245
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

Hanging chards are a feature of US elections.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:07:02
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2191250
Subject: re: today I learned

My lexicon increased by one today.

Feaking

Feaking – The act of rubbing the beak against a surface for cleaning or maintaining beak shape, often done after eating.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:13:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2191253
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


My lexicon increased by one today.

Feaking

Feaking – The act of rubbing the beak against a surface for cleaning or maintaining beak shape, often done after eating.

Well it might not have increased at all because I might have forgotten half a dozen, it’s hard to tell.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:23:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191257
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

Gosh.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:28:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191259
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

Gosh.

shrug we only knew it as silver beet for many a long time

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:29:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191260
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Kingy said:

TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

Gosh.

silverbeet

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:30:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191262
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Kingy said:

TIL that there is such a thing as a Chard. Never heard of it before.

Gosh.

silverbeet

beet you

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:30:46
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191263
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Gosh.

silverbeet

beet you

damn, silver again.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:34:58
From: Michael V
ID: 2191264
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

silverbeet

beet you

damn, silver again.

And Swiss.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:40:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191269
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Gosh.

silverbeet

beet you

Some people thought it was spinach.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:43:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191270
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

silverbeet

beet you

Some people thought it was spinach.

when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:47:48
From: OCDC
ID: 2191272
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
beet you
Some people thought it was spinach.
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:48:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191273
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

silverbeet

beet you

damn, silver again.

perfect comeback though

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:49:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2191275
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Some people thought it was spinach.
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

I guess when you are used to civilisation coming to the colonies took some getting used to.

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Date: 30/08/2024 14:50:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191276
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:
Some people thought it was spinach.
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

so we should just give our swine a bit of truffle lobster and then enjoy the rest of it ourselves like capitalist pigs while other old folk lose out because they refuse

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Date: 30/08/2024 15:13:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2191284
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Some people thought it was spinach.
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.
Steve (primus) won’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

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Date: 30/08/2024 15:17:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2191285
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

beet you

Some people thought it was spinach.

when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.

Well, let’s be honest, kale is stock feed. Someone just got a marketing firm to promote it a bit among the ‘superfoods’ fan clubs, and whoosh!, it took off as a fad food.

And riding in crowded lifts became a health hazard.

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Date: 30/08/2024 15:24:38
From: buffy
ID: 2191286
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Some people thought it was spinach.
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

One of our European friends didn’t eat pumpkin because it was pig food. But then he discovered Queensland Blue – we converted him.

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Date: 30/08/2024 15:32:32
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2191289
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


OCDC said:

ChrispenEvan said:
when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.
One of my grandfathers didn’t eat corn because it was pig food when he was a child. The other didn’t eat pumpkin for the same reason.

One of our European friends didn’t eat pumpkin because it was pig food. But then he discovered Queensland Blue – we converted him.

Sarah’s Dads family, from the Ohio/Kentucky border area, did not eat pumpkin but fed pumpkins to pigs. Each year at pumpkin pie time they would buy a couple of cans of pumpkin and a packet of pumpkin pie spice. They were stuffed when they got to Aus and had to actually learn to cook the pie from scratch.

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:21:03
From: Neophyte
ID: 2191299
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

Some people thought it was spinach.

when we first got to australia we thought silverbeet was kale. we didn’t get silverbeet in england, just spinach. and kale was a stock feed.

Well, let’s be honest, kale is stock feed. Someone just got a marketing firm to promote it a bit among the ‘superfoods’ fan clubs, and whoosh!, it took off as a fad food.

And riding in crowded lifts became a health hazard.

Back in WW2 kale was called victory cabbage and people ere encouraged to grow it.

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:24:25
From: dv
ID: 2191301
Subject: re: today I learned

The concept of a superfood is irrelevant to people with a varied diet.

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:25:48
From: Neophyte
ID: 2191302
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The concept of a superfood is irrelevant to people with a varied diet.

Great for marketing, though

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:27:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191304
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

The concept of a superfood is irrelevant to people with a varied diet.

Great for marketing, though

That’s the area of expertise that Scomo came from?

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:28:50
From: OCDC
ID: 2191306
Subject: re: today I learned

Chocolate is a superfood regardless of other variety in diet.

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Date: 30/08/2024 16:30:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2191307
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Chocolate is a superfood regardless of other variety in diet.

It was a part of the K rations pack.

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Date: 30/08/2024 17:05:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2191321
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Chocolate is a superfood regardless of other variety in diet.

Absolutely.

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Date: 30/08/2024 17:49:43
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191327
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:

dv said:

The concept of a superfood is irrelevant

marketing, though

^ ^^

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Date: 30/08/2024 18:09:49
From: dv
ID: 2191340
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Neophyte said:

dv said:

The concept of a superfood is irrelevant

marketing, though

^ ^^

二 n二!

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Date: 30/08/2024 22:03:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2191421
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 31/08/2024 11:30:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2191525
Subject: re: today I learned

Well yesterday actually.

That drinking 2-3 cups of coffee a day has significant health benefits, and some of these are related to caffeine, so de-caff still has benefits, but not so many.

So I decided I would go back to having caff coffee for my second hot drink of the day.

I then (re)learned why I had gone to de-caff for my 2nd coffee (with no coffee thereafter).

At least for me, two cups of coffee results in greatly disrupted sleep.

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Date: 31/08/2024 11:32:28
From: party_pants
ID: 2191526
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Well yesterday actually.

That drinking 2-3 cups of coffee a day has significant health benefits, and some of these are related to caffeine, so de-caff still has benefits, but not so many.

So I decided I would go back to having caff coffee for my second hot drink of the day.

I then (re)learned why I had gone to de-caff for my 2nd coffee (with no coffee thereafter).

At least for me, two cups of coffee results in greatly disrupted sleep.

I drink coffee in the morning mostly. Sometimes have one in the middle of the afternoon, but never in the evenings.

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Date: 31/08/2024 11:32:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2191527
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Well yesterday actually.

That drinking 2-3 cups of coffee a day has significant health benefits, and some of these are related to caffeine, so de-caff still has benefits, but not so many.

So I decided I would go back to having caff coffee for my second hot drink of the day.

I then (re)learned why I had gone to de-caff for my 2nd coffee (with no coffee thereafter).

At least for me, two cups of coffee results in greatly disrupted sleep.

I’m just not that much of a coffee person these days. Makes me weewee like anything.

For a caffeine boost these days I prefer a strong cocoa.

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Date: 31/08/2024 11:41:22
From: Tamb
ID: 2191532
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Well yesterday actually.

That drinking 2-3 cups of coffee a day has significant health benefits, and some of these are related to caffeine, so de-caff still has benefits, but not so many.

So I decided I would go back to having caff coffee for my second hot drink of the day.

I then (re)learned why I had gone to de-caff for my 2nd coffee (with no coffee thereafter).

At least for me, two cups of coffee results in greatly disrupted sleep.

I drink coffee in the morning mostly. Sometimes have one in the middle of the afternoon, but never in the evenings.


I was a 20/day coffee drinker. Now it’s only 1 or 2.

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Date: 31/08/2024 11:52:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2191535
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Well yesterday actually.

That drinking 2-3 cups of coffee a day has significant health benefits, and some of these are related to caffeine, so de-caff still has benefits, but not so many.

So I decided I would go back to having caff coffee for my second hot drink of the day.

I then (re)learned why I had gone to de-caff for my 2nd coffee (with no coffee thereafter).

At least for me, two cups of coffee results in greatly disrupted sleep.

I have just one cup (large mug, very strong) of coffee a day, in the morning. Because if I have one after lunch, I don’t sleep properly.

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Date: 31/08/2024 18:56:55
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2191672
Subject: re: today I learned

Keanu Reeves lived in Sydney for a couple of years in the mid 60’s.

“After his parents divorced in 1966, his mother moved the family to Sydney”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves#Early_life

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Date: 1/09/2024 19:26:39
From: OCDC
ID: 2192120
Subject: re: today I learned

Dogs’ bodies interpret xylitol as glucose and secrete insulin, causing potentially fatal hypoglycemia

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Date: 1/09/2024 19:27:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192123
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Dogs’ bodies interpret xylitol as glucose and secrete insulin, causing potentially fatal hypoglycemia

Jesus/

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Date: 1/09/2024 19:37:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2192132
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Dogs’ bodies interpret xylitol as glucose and secrete insulin, causing potentially fatal hypoglycemia

Jesus/

does it work the same if the persons we don’t like are absolute dogs

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Date: 1/09/2024 19:40:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192134
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Dogs’ bodies interpret xylitol as glucose and secrete insulin, causing potentially fatal hypoglycemia

Jesus/

does it work the same if the persons we don’t like are absolute dogs

If it means that you stay away from them, YES.

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Date: 2/09/2024 00:07:45
From: Kingy
ID: 2192220
Subject: re: today I learned

The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

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Date: 2/09/2024 07:25:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2192227
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

But it isn’t an arched structure.

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Date: 2/09/2024 07:30:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2192230
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Impressive but not arched.

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Date: 2/09/2024 07:41:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2192233
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Impressive but not arched.

NTATE says the oldest true arch might be at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur
but the article on Nippur doesn’t mention the arch, other than one mention in the refs.

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Date: 2/09/2024 07:47:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192236
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Impressive but not arched.

NTATE says the oldest true arch might be at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur
but the article on Nippur doesn’t mention the arch, other than one mention in the refs.

https://www.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000625335/

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Date: 2/09/2024 07:49:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192237
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Impressive but not arched.

NTATE says the oldest true arch might be at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur
but the article on Nippur doesn’t mention the arch, other than one mention in the refs.

https://www.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000625335/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus
The Arch of Titus (Italian: Arco di Tito; Latin: Arcus Tītī) is a 1st-century CE honorific arch, located on the Via Sacra, Rome, just to the south-east of the Roman Forum. It was constructed in c. 81 CE by Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’s official deification or consecratio and the victory of Titus together with their father, Vespasian, over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea.

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Date: 2/09/2024 08:02:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2192241
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

NTATE says the oldest true arch might be at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur
but the article on Nippur doesn’t mention the arch, other than one mention in the refs.

https://www.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000625335/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus
The Arch of Titus (Italian: Arco di Tito; Latin: Arcus Tītī) is a 1st-century CE honorific arch, located on the Via Sacra, Rome, just to the south-east of the Roman Forum. It was constructed in c. 81 CE by Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’s official deification or consecratio and the victory of Titus together with their father, Vespasian, over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea.

Good photo thanks, although what it has to do with any air force, I don’t know.

As for the Roman one, nice arch, but not very old.

See this article from some random blog:

What have the Romans ever done for us

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Date: 2/09/2024 08:05:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192242
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

NTATE says the oldest true arch might be at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur
but the article on Nippur doesn’t mention the arch, other than one mention in the refs.

https://www.af.mil/News/Photos/igphoto/2000625335/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus
The Arch of Titus (Italian: Arco di Tito; Latin: Arcus Tītī) is a 1st-century CE honorific arch, located on the Via Sacra, Rome, just to the south-east of the Roman Forum. It was constructed in c. 81 CE by Emperor Domitian shortly after the death of his older brother Titus to commemorate Titus’s official deification or consecratio and the victory of Titus together with their father, Vespasian, over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea.

The Nippur article says: A true arch, one of the world’s earliest examples, was also found.
It doesn’t say THE Oldest.

Abstract

The three sun-dried mud–brick arches of Tel Dan spanning the gatehouse passageway are the world’s oldest known complete and free-standing monumental ‘true’ arches made of this material. This gatehouse is dated to the mid-18th century BC, and stands today more than 7 m high. The city gate was excavated during the 1978–1985 seasons, revealing a vast gatehouse in a remarkable state of preservation. All its three arches were soundly constructed in three concentric radial courses. The archway owes its extraordinary state of conservation to the fact it was filled and buried by the inhabitants after only some years of use. The paper presents the structural and technical investigation of the performance and failure of this unique historic building form, putting it in an archaeological context and discusses the research methods and findings giving a picture of the strength and limitations of the mud–brick arches – extraordinary representatives of historic building technologies. The article puts forward a hypothesis for the construction technique, which could provide a perception of the architectural development of arches and an aspect of the dynamic of learning – in progress in the building cultures.

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Date: 2/09/2024 09:32:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2192260
Subject: re: today I learned

Interesting new research let it rip cull those economically unproductive useless eaters yes¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-02/deadly-heat-limits-tested-in-world-first-human-experiment/104242788

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Date: 2/09/2024 10:26:32
From: Kingy
ID: 2192276
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Apparently because the outer uprights lean in towards the centre, /``|``\ it is a type of arch.

I don’t know, I’m not an architect. That was a basic copy/paste of the article I was reading.

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Date: 2/09/2024 10:49:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2192279
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

The first human built arched structure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolmen_of_Menga

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Apparently because the outer uprights lean in towards the centre, /``|``\ it is a type of arch.

I don’t know, I’m not an architect. That was a basic copy/paste of the article I was reading.

Well I wouldn’t call it an arch.

Not even a false arch.

And I should know, I’ve designed a few.

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Date: 2/09/2024 10:52:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2192280
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But it isn’t an arched structure.

Apparently because the outer uprights lean in towards the centre, /``|``\ it is a type of arch.

I don’t know, I’m not an architect. That was a basic copy/paste of the article I was reading.

Well I wouldn’t call it an arch.

Not even a false arch.

And I should know, I’ve designed a few.

Incidentally, the people who do structural design of structures are called engineers, not architects :)

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Date: 2/09/2024 10:58:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2192281
Subject: re: today I learned

it was foggy when i got up this morning.

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Date: 2/09/2024 10:59:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2192282
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

Apparently because the outer uprights lean in towards the centre, /``|``\ it is a type of arch.

I don’t know, I’m not an architect. That was a basic copy/paste of the article I was reading.

Well I wouldn’t call it an arch.

Not even a false arch.

And I should know, I’ve designed a few.

Incidentally, the people who do structural design of structures are called engineers, not architects :)

architects, the arch enemy of engineers.

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Date: 2/09/2024 11:20:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2192288
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kingy said:

Apparently because the outer uprights lean in towards the centre, /``|``\ it is a type of arch.

I don’t know, I’m not an architect. That was a basic copy/paste of the article I was reading.

Well I wouldn’t call it an arch.

Not even a false arch.

And I should know, I’ve designed a few.

Incidentally, the people who do structural design of structures are called engineers, not architects :)

But Architects have the arc in their name.

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Date: 2/09/2024 13:18:56
From: dv
ID: 2192338
Subject: re: today I learned

When I was a young lad I was in the school choir, and one of the songs we learned was The Court of King Caractacus. No one knows who composed it, it’s a mystery, but just now I remembered the song and wondered what King Caractacus’s claim to fame was.

Caratacus was a 1st-century AD British chieftain of the Catuvellauni tribe, who resisted the Roman conquest of Britain.

Before the Roman invasion, Caratacus is associated with the expansion of his tribe’s territory. His apparent success led to Roman invasion, nominally in support of his defeated enemies. He resisted the Romans for almost a decade, using guerrilla warfare, but when he offered a set-piece battle he was defeated by Roman forces. After defeat he fled to the territory of Queen Cartimandua, who captured him and handed him over to the Romans. He was sentenced to death, but made a speech before his execution that persuaded the Emperor Claudius to spare him. Caratacus’ speech to Claudius has been a popular subject in visual art.

So there, as they say, you go.

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Date: 2/09/2024 13:30:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2192346
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


When I was a young lad I was in the school choir, and one of the songs we learned was The Court of King Caractacus. No one knows who composed it, it’s a mystery, but just now I remembered the song and wondered what King Caractacus’s claim to fame was.

Caratacus was a 1st-century AD British chieftain of the Catuvellauni tribe, who resisted the Roman conquest of Britain.

Before the Roman invasion, Caratacus is associated with the expansion of his tribe’s territory. His apparent success led to Roman invasion, nominally in support of his defeated enemies. He resisted the Romans for almost a decade, using guerrilla warfare, but when he offered a set-piece battle he was defeated by Roman forces. After defeat he fled to the territory of Queen Cartimandua, who captured him and handed him over to the Romans. He was sentenced to death, but made a speech before his execution that persuaded the Emperor Claudius to spare him. Caratacus’ speech to Claudius has been a popular subject in visual art.

So there, as they say, you go.

Just passing by.

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Date: 2/09/2024 16:09:21
From: Neophyte
ID: 2192410
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


When I was a young lad I was in the school choir, and one of the songs we learned was The Court of King Caractacus. No one knows who composed it, it’s a mystery, but just now I remembered the song and wondered what King Caractacus’s claim to fame was.

Caratacus was a 1st-century AD British chieftain of the Catuvellauni tribe, who resisted the Roman conquest of Britain.

Before the Roman invasion, Caratacus is associated with the expansion of his tribe’s territory. His apparent success led to Roman invasion, nominally in support of his defeated enemies. He resisted the Romans for almost a decade, using guerrilla warfare, but when he offered a set-piece battle he was defeated by Roman forces. After defeat he fled to the territory of Queen Cartimandua, who captured him and handed him over to the Romans. He was sentenced to death, but made a speech before his execution that persuaded the Emperor Claudius to spare him. Caratacus’ speech to Claudius has been a popular subject in visual art.

So there, as they say, you go.

Given who popularised the ditty, we’re not likely to hear it again for some time, I’d guess.

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Date: 3/09/2024 10:03:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2192570
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:

dv said:

When I was a young lad I was in the school choir, and one of the songs we learned was The Court of King Caractacus. No one knows who composed it, it’s a mystery, but just now I remembered the song and wondered what King Caractacus’s claim to fame was.

Caratacus was a 1st-century AD British chieftain of the Catuvellauni tribe, who resisted the Roman conquest of Britain.

Before the Roman invasion, Caratacus is associated with the expansion of his tribe’s territory. His apparent success led to Roman invasion, nominally in support of his defeated enemies. He resisted the Romans for almost a decade, using guerrilla warfare, but when he offered a set-piece battle he was defeated by Roman forces. After defeat he fled to the territory of Queen Cartimandua, who captured him and handed him over to the Romans. He was sentenced to death, but made a speech before his execution that persuaded the Emperor Claudius to spare him. Caratacus’ speech to Claudius has been a popular subject in visual art.

So there, as they say, you go.

Given who popularised the ditty, we’re not likely to hear it again for some time, I’d guess.

cancel culture caratacus

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Date: 3/09/2024 17:35:14
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2192706
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that bartitsu is a real thing.

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Date: 3/09/2024 17:40:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2192709
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


TIL that bartitsu is a real thing.

Fron memory I think it is an eclectic martial art and self-defence method originally developed in England in 1898–1902, combining elements of boxing, jujitsu, cane fighting and French kickboxing (savate). In 1903, it was immortalised (as “baritsu”) by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes mystery stories. Dormant throughout most of the 20th century, Bartitsu has experienced a revival since 2002 but I could be wrong.

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Date: 3/09/2024 17:43:57
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2192712
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

TIL that bartitsu is a real thing.

Fron memory I think it is an eclectic martial art and self-defence method originally developed in England in 1898–1902, combining elements of boxing, jujitsu, cane fighting and French kickboxing (savate). In 1903, it was immortalised (as “baritsu”) by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes mystery stories. Dormant throughout most of the 20th century, Bartitsu has experienced a revival since 2002 but I could be wrong.

That’s about right.

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Date: 3/09/2024 17:45:06
From: Ian
ID: 2192713
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Spiny Norman said:

TIL that bartitsu is a real thing.

Fron memory I think it is an eclectic martial art and self-defence method originally developed in England in 1898–1902, combining elements of boxing, jujitsu, cane fighting and French kickboxing (savate). In 1903, it was immortalised (as “baritsu”) by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes mystery stories. Dormant throughout most of the 20th century, Bartitsu has experienced a revival since 2002 but I could be wrong.

Funny, I thought it was a bar-keep with strong kneady fingers.

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Date: 4/09/2024 17:37:28
From: OCDC
ID: 2193049
Subject: re: today I learned

Serotonin’s presence in insect venoms and plant spines serves to cause pain, which is a side-effect of serotonin injection.

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Date: 4/09/2024 17:56:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2193060
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Serotonin’s presence in insect venoms and plant spines serves to cause pain, which is a side-effect of serotonin injection.

Huh!

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Date: 5/09/2024 09:29:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2193165
Subject: re: today I learned

… of Poe’s Law.

But now I’m in a quandry.

When I say that Poe’s Law should not be accepted without good evidence, should I put a ;) on the end or not? ;)

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Date: 6/09/2024 12:48:57
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2193534
Subject: re: today I learned

https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/projectiles-dont-make-parabolas/

Link

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Date: 6/09/2024 13:05:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2193536
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/projectiles-dont-make-parabolas/

Link

A bit strange in the first part they focus on just the curvature of the Earth’s surface, and ignore the variation in acceleration due to gravity.

But at least in the second bit they recognize that the variation in gravitational effects below the surface is not linear, and in fact increases with depth for quite a long way.

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:16:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2193755
Subject: re: today I learned

17 × 6 = 112

Where did I learn this?

The smartest man in the world said so:

17×6 = 112

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:21:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2193758
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


17 × 6 = 112

Where did I learn this?

The smartest man in the world said so:

17×6 = 112

and no doubt they all had a phone with a calculator. or the internet.

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:24:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2193761
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

17 × 6 = 112

Where did I learn this?

The smartest man in the world said so:

17×6 = 112

and no doubt they all had a phone with a calculator. or the internet.

oh c’m‘on be fair there are a pile of arseholes there but how many other people could do it

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:27:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2193763
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

17 × 6 = 112

Where did I learn this?

The smartest man in the world said so:

17×6 = 112

and no doubt they all had a phone with a calculator. or the internet.

oh c’m‘on be fair there are a pile of arseholes there but how many other people could do it

I suspect that most people who have an IQ of 155 like what Trump has could do it pretty quickly even without a calculator.

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:40:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2193772
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

and no doubt they all had a phone with a calculator. or the internet.

oh c’m‘on be fair there are a pile of arseholes there but how many other people could do it

I suspect that most people who have an IQ of 155 like what Trump has could do it pretty quickly even without a calculator.

good point, 155 that’s 6 × 29 ¿ i’n‘it

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Date: 7/09/2024 10:49:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2193776
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


17 × 6 = 112

Where did I learn this?

The smartest man in the world said so:

17×6 = 112

Must be another Trump video?

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Date: 7/09/2024 12:38:53
From: OCDC
ID: 2193823
Subject: re: today I learned

Cardiac cephalalgia (CC) is a rare secondary headache disorder, occurring with myocardial ischemia and relieved with nitroglycerin.

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Date: 7/09/2024 12:44:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2193824
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Cardiac cephalalgia (CC) is a rare secondary headache disorder, occurring with myocardial ischemia and relieved with nitroglycerin.

When you need to detonate and fly to Dover.

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Date: 8/09/2024 08:36:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2194021
Subject: re: today I learned

of the life and works of Lev Landau, including the time, as a student, he corrected Einstein at a public lecture.

Good article on his life at:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131109195944/http://www.en.globaltalentnews.com/current_news/reports/3609/As-a-student-Landau-dared-to-correct-Einstein-in-a-lecture.html

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Date: 8/09/2024 08:46:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2194023
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of the life and works of Lev Landau, including the time, as a student, he corrected Einstein at a public lecture.

Good article on his life at:

https://web.archive.org/web/20131109195944/http://www.en.globaltalentnews.com/current_news/reports/3609/As-a-student-Landau-dared-to-correct-Einstein-in-a-lecture.html

so anyway

a committed socialist. In 1935, he published an article in the paper Isvestia entitled The Bourgeoisie and Contemporary Physics. In it, Landau attacked the bourgeois class, the religious establishment and the military. The USSR had him imprisoned

can you please send us these essential ten volumes of his Course on Theoretical Physics, thanks in advance

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Date: 10/09/2024 09:51:25
From: dv
ID: 2194612
Subject: re: today I learned

Sisyphus was punished for killing visitors for sport (deemed to be contrary to the responsibilities of a host) and for cheating death.

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Date: 10/09/2024 09:54:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2194615
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Sisyphus was punished for killing visitors for sport (deemed to be contrary to the responsibilities of a host) and for cheating death.

so the nickname yous all had for sssf was apt

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Date: 10/09/2024 10:04:11
From: dv
ID: 2194619
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Sisyphus was punished for killing visitors for sport (deemed to be contrary to the responsibilities of a host) and for cheating death.

so the nickname yous all had for sssf was apt

Ha

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Date: 10/09/2024 10:22:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2194623
Subject: re: today I learned

thanks to Yousr ABC we

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-10/thai-red-bull-heir-alleged-hit-run-offender-avoids-prosecution/104327318

learned that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_GmbH

Red Bull GmbH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krating_Daeng

was started by an ASIAN which goes to show how totally aware of the recent 40 years of popular culture we are were have been

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Date: 10/09/2024 12:20:35
From: dv
ID: 2194665
Subject: re: today I learned

The Leica Freedom Train was a rescue effort in which hundreds of Jews were smuggled out of Nazi Germany before the Holocaust by Ernst Leitz II of the Leica Camera company, and his daughter Elsie Kuehn-Leitz.

Ernst Leitz’s optics company, founded in Wetzlar in 1869, had a tradition of enlightened behavior toward its workers. Pensions, sick leave, health insurance—all were instituted early on at Leitz, which depended for its work force upon generations of skilled employees, many of whom were Jewish. As soon as Adolf Hitler was named chancellor of Germany in 1933, Ernst Leitz II, son of the founder and head of the company from 1920 to 1956, began receiving frantic calls from Jewish associates, asking for help to get them and their families out of the country. As non-Jews, Leitz and his family were unaffected by Nazi Germany’s Nürnberg Laws, which restricted the movement of Jews and limited their professional activities.

To help his Jewish workers and colleagues, Leitz quietly established what has become known among historians of the Holocaust as the “Leica Freedom Train”, a covert means of allowing Jews to leave Germany in the guise of Leitz employees being assigned overseas. Employees, retailers, family members, even friends of family members were “assigned” to Leitz sales offices in France, Britain, Hong Kong and the United States. Leitz’s activities intensified after the Kristallnacht of November 1938, during which synagogues and Jewish shops were burned across Germany.

German “employees” disembarking from the ocean liner Bremen at a New York pier went to Leitz’s Manhattan office, where they were helped to find jobs. Each new arrival was given a Leica camera. The refugees were paid a stipend until they could find work. Out of this migration came designers, repair technicians, salespeople, marketers and writers for the photographic press. The “Leica Freedom Train” was at its height in 1938 and early 1939, delivering groups of refugees to New York every few weeks until the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939, when Germany closed its borders.

Leitz was an internationally recognized brand that reflected credit on the newly resurgent Reich. The company produced range-finders and other optical systems for the German military. Also, the Nazi government urgently needed hard currency from abroad, and Leitz’s single biggest market for optical goods was the United States. Even so, members of the Leitz family and firm suffered for their good works. A top executive, Alfred Turk, was jailed for working to help Jews and freed only after the payment of a large bribe.

Leitz’s daughter, Elsie Kuhn-Leitz, was imprisoned by the Gestapo after she was caught at the border, helping Jewish women cross into Switzerland. She eventually was freed but endured rough treatment in the course of questioning. She also fell under suspicion when she attempted to improve the living conditions of 700 to 800 Ukrainian slave laborers, all of them women, who had been assigned to work in the plant during the 1940s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_Freedom_Train

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Date: 10/09/2024 12:35:27
From: Michael V
ID: 2194672
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Leica Freedom Train was a rescue effort in which hundreds of Jews were smuggled out of Nazi Germany before the Holocaust by Ernst Leitz II of the Leica Camera company, and his daughter Elsie Kuehn-Leitz.

Ernst Leitz’s optics company, founded in Wetzlar in 1869, had a tradition of enlightened behavior toward its workers. Pensions, sick leave, health insurance—all were instituted early on at Leitz, which depended for its work force upon generations of skilled employees, many of whom were Jewish. As soon as Adolf Hitler was named chancellor of Germany in 1933, Ernst Leitz II, son of the founder and head of the company from 1920 to 1956, began receiving frantic calls from Jewish associates, asking for help to get them and their families out of the country. As non-Jews, Leitz and his family were unaffected by Nazi Germany’s Nürnberg Laws, which restricted the movement of Jews and limited their professional activities.

To help his Jewish workers and colleagues, Leitz quietly established what has become known among historians of the Holocaust as the “Leica Freedom Train”, a covert means of allowing Jews to leave Germany in the guise of Leitz employees being assigned overseas. Employees, retailers, family members, even friends of family members were “assigned” to Leitz sales offices in France, Britain, Hong Kong and the United States. Leitz’s activities intensified after the Kristallnacht of November 1938, during which synagogues and Jewish shops were burned across Germany.

German “employees” disembarking from the ocean liner Bremen at a New York pier went to Leitz’s Manhattan office, where they were helped to find jobs. Each new arrival was given a Leica camera. The refugees were paid a stipend until they could find work. Out of this migration came designers, repair technicians, salespeople, marketers and writers for the photographic press. The “Leica Freedom Train” was at its height in 1938 and early 1939, delivering groups of refugees to New York every few weeks until the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939, when Germany closed its borders.

Leitz was an internationally recognized brand that reflected credit on the newly resurgent Reich. The company produced range-finders and other optical systems for the German military. Also, the Nazi government urgently needed hard currency from abroad, and Leitz’s single biggest market for optical goods was the United States. Even so, members of the Leitz family and firm suffered for their good works. A top executive, Alfred Turk, was jailed for working to help Jews and freed only after the payment of a large bribe.

Leitz’s daughter, Elsie Kuhn-Leitz, was imprisoned by the Gestapo after she was caught at the border, helping Jewish women cross into Switzerland. She eventually was freed but endured rough treatment in the course of questioning. She also fell under suspicion when she attempted to improve the living conditions of 700 to 800 Ukrainian slave laborers, all of them women, who had been assigned to work in the plant during the 1940s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_Freedom_Train

Nice stuff.

I have a very early Leitz brass-barrelled microscope. So early that it has C. Zeiss objective lenses. There is no indication externally as to who made it, but it has the EL monogram on the part of the upper barrel that remains inside the lower barrel. It has a zoom function when the upper barrel is lifted, and retains focus when zooming. Unfortunately it is missing its sub-stage assembly.

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Date: 10/09/2024 13:19:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2194693
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Leica Freedom Train was a rescue effort in which hundreds of Jews were smuggled out of Nazi Germany before the Holocaust by Ernst Leitz II of the Leica Camera company, and his daughter Elsie Kuehn-Leitz.

Ernst Leitz’s optics company, founded in Wetzlar in 1869, had a tradition of enlightened behavior toward its workers. Pensions, sick leave, health insurance—all were instituted early on at Leitz, which depended for its work force upon generations of skilled employees, many of whom were Jewish. As soon as Adolf Hitler was named chancellor of Germany in 1933, Ernst Leitz II, son of the founder and head of the company from 1920 to 1956, began receiving frantic calls from Jewish associates, asking for help to get them and their families out of the country. As non-Jews, Leitz and his family were unaffected by Nazi Germany’s Nürnberg Laws, which restricted the movement of Jews and limited their professional activities.

To help his Jewish workers and colleagues, Leitz quietly established what has become known among historians of the Holocaust as the “Leica Freedom Train”, a covert means of allowing Jews to leave Germany in the guise of Leitz employees being assigned overseas. Employees, retailers, family members, even friends of family members were “assigned” to Leitz sales offices in France, Britain, Hong Kong and the United States. Leitz’s activities intensified after the Kristallnacht of November 1938, during which synagogues and Jewish shops were burned across Germany.

German “employees” disembarking from the ocean liner Bremen at a New York pier went to Leitz’s Manhattan office, where they were helped to find jobs. Each new arrival was given a Leica camera. The refugees were paid a stipend until they could find work. Out of this migration came designers, repair technicians, salespeople, marketers and writers for the photographic press. The “Leica Freedom Train” was at its height in 1938 and early 1939, delivering groups of refugees to New York every few weeks until the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939, when Germany closed its borders.

Leitz was an internationally recognized brand that reflected credit on the newly resurgent Reich. The company produced range-finders and other optical systems for the German military. Also, the Nazi government urgently needed hard currency from abroad, and Leitz’s single biggest market for optical goods was the United States. Even so, members of the Leitz family and firm suffered for their good works. A top executive, Alfred Turk, was jailed for working to help Jews and freed only after the payment of a large bribe.

Leitz’s daughter, Elsie Kuhn-Leitz, was imprisoned by the Gestapo after she was caught at the border, helping Jewish women cross into Switzerland. She eventually was freed but endured rough treatment in the course of questioning. She also fell under suspicion when she attempted to improve the living conditions of 700 to 800 Ukrainian slave laborers, all of them women, who had been assigned to work in the plant during the 1940s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leica_Freedom_Train

Nice stuff.

I have a very early Leitz brass-barrelled microscope. So early that it has C. Zeiss objective lenses. There is no indication externally as to who made it, but it has the EL monogram on the part of the upper barrel that remains inside the lower barrel. It has a zoom function when the upper barrel is lifted, and retains focus when zooming. Unfortunately it is missing its sub-stage assembly.

They made very good cameras.

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Date: 10/09/2024 16:40:58
From: dv
ID: 2194769
Subject: re: today I learned

Despite its scientific name, Dacelo novaeguineae (the Laughing Kookaburra) does not and never did live in New Guinea.

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Date: 10/09/2024 16:53:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2194772
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Despite its scientific name, Dacelo novaeguineae (the Laughing Kookaburra) does not and never did live in New Guinea.
Huh!

“The laughing kookaburra was first described and illustrated (in black and white) by the French naturalist and explorer Pierre Sonnerat in his Voyage à la nouvelle Guinée, which was published in 1776. He claimed to have seen the bird in New Guinea. In fact Sonnerat never visited New Guinea and the laughing kookaburra does not occur there. He probably obtained a preserved specimen from one of the naturalists who accompanied Captain James Cook to the east coast of Australia.”

A discarded synonym is Dacelo Gigas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_kookaburra#Taxonomy

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Date: 10/09/2024 16:54:55
From: OCDC
ID: 2194773
Subject: re: today I learned

Don’t believe I’ve heard any kookaburras since I moved.

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Date: 10/09/2024 17:30:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2194782
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Despite its scientific name, Dacelo novaeguineae (the Laughing Kookaburra) does not and never did live in New Guinea.

probably gave em a good laugh thinking of those suckers who thought they had.

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Date: 10/09/2024 18:23:10
From: dv
ID: 2194787
Subject: re: today I learned

The City of Manningham is the only local govt area in Melbourne with no tram or train service.

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Date: 11/09/2024 06:44:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2194844
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Despite its scientific name, Dacelo novaeguineae (the Laughing Kookaburra) does not and never did live in New Guinea.
Huh!

“The laughing kookaburra was first described and illustrated (in black and white) by the French naturalist and explorer Pierre Sonnerat in his Voyage à la nouvelle Guinée, which was published in 1776. He claimed to have seen the bird in New Guinea. In fact Sonnerat never visited New Guinea and the laughing kookaburra does not occur there. He probably obtained a preserved specimen from one of the naturalists who accompanied Captain James Cook to the east coast of Australia.”

A discarded synonym is Dacelo Gigas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_kookaburra#Taxonomy

Lies all lies.
Eventually, all lies will be discovered for what they are.

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Date: 11/09/2024 17:12:02
From: dv
ID: 2195124
Subject: re: today I learned

Puyi, born in 1906, ascended to the throne as the last emperor of the Qing dynasty at the tender age of two. His reign was short-lived, as the Xinhai Revolution in 1911 led to his abdication in 1912, marking the end of over two millennia of imperial rule in China. Despite a brief restoration attempt in 1917, Puyi’s life took a dramatic turn when he was installed as the puppet emperor of Manchukuo by the Japanese in 1934. Following Japan’s defeat in World War II, Puyi was captured by Soviet forces and later handed over to the Chinese communists. He spent nearly a decade in prison, undergoing re-education before being released in 1959.

Upon his release, Puyi lived a modest life in Beijing, working various jobs including as a street sweeper. His transition from emperor to commoner was marked by moments of confusion and humility, such as the incident where he got lost on his first day of work and had to introduce himself to passersby. This period of his life reflects the profound changes China underwent during the 20th century, as well as Puyi’s personal journey from a symbol of imperial power to an ordinary citizen under the communist regime.

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Date: 12/09/2024 10:33:37
From: Arts
ID: 2195329
Subject: re: today I learned

the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…

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Date: 12/09/2024 10:44:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2195333
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Sigh, those googlebots.

Don’t they know it’s World Dolphin Day?

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Date: 12/09/2024 10:54:19
From: Michael V
ID: 2195343
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Huh!

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Date: 12/09/2024 11:01:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2195347
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Arts said:

the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Huh!

I’d hardly call it a ‘craft’.

Anything that an 9-year-old can pick up in the course of one morning recess might be called ‘a bit of fun’, but i’d hesitate to use the term ‘craft’.

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Date: 12/09/2024 11:04:13
From: Arts
ID: 2195349
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Huh!

I’d hardly call it a ‘craft’.

Anything that an 9-year-old can pick up in the course of one morning recess might be called ‘a bit of fun’, but i’d hesitate to use the term ‘craft’.

it is literally a craft

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
craft
/krɑːft/
noun
1.
an activity involving skill in making things by hand.
“the craft of cobbling”

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Date: 12/09/2024 11:06:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2195351
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Huh!

I’d hardly call it a ‘craft’.

Anything that an 9-year-old can pick up in the course of one morning recess might be called ‘a bit of fun’, but i’d hesitate to use the term ‘craft’.

it is literally a craft

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
craft
/krɑːft/
noun
1.
an activity involving skill in making things by hand.
“the craft of cobbling”

I am chastised, and ashamed of my elitist attitude.

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Date: 12/09/2024 11:15:27
From: esselte
ID: 2195355
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Thanks to this, TIL that Scooby Doo’s first name is actually Scoobert.

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Date: 12/09/2024 11:30:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2195360
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

the name of the knotting craft Scoubidou….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoubidou

and only becuase Google today looks like this…


Huh!

I’d hardly call it a ‘craft’.

Anything that an 9-year-old can pick up in the course of one morning recess might be called ‘a bit of fun’, but i’d hesitate to use the term ‘craft’.

What Are Arts And Crafts

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Date: 13/09/2024 09:26:12
From: Arts
ID: 2195843
Subject: re: today I learned

yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

ok sure, no surprises there… but then Dec 25th the second least popular and Jan 1st third least popular.

the most popular birthdays are in September … which cannot be a coincidence.

I did question the non christian component of that though.. and then we had a great discussion on populations, and differences between northern and southern hemispheres, and how the dog also likes halloumi.

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Date: 13/09/2024 09:27:49
From: OCDC
ID: 2195844
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:

yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

ok sure, no surprises there… but then Dec 25th the second least popular and Jan 1st third least popular.

the most popular birthdays are in September … which cannot be a coincidence.

I did question the non christian component of that though.. and then we had a great discussion on populations, and differences between northern and southern hemispheres, and how the dog also likes halloumi.

Elective inductions and caesarean sections.

I also like halloumi.

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Date: 13/09/2024 09:31:14
From: Arts
ID: 2195849
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


Arts said:
yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

ok sure, no surprises there… but then Dec 25th the second least popular and Jan 1st third least popular.

the most popular birthdays are in September … which cannot be a coincidence.

I did question the non christian component of that though.. and then we had a great discussion on populations, and differences between northern and southern hemispheres, and how the dog also likes halloumi.

Elective inductions and caesarean sections.

I also like halloumi.

yes that’s what we thought too…

about the medical interference.. not your halloumi preference.

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Date: 13/09/2024 09:34:29
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2195854
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

ok sure, no surprises there… but then Dec 25th the second least popular and Jan 1st third least popular.

the most popular birthdays are in September … which cannot be a coincidence.

I did question the non christian component of that though.. and then we had a great discussion on populations, and differences between northern and southern hemispheres, and how the dog also likes halloumi.

Mate of mine has his birthday on the 1st of January.
We also have a cleaning lady for a while, she was four hours older than me.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:07:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2195910
Subject: re: today I learned

that Excel keeps a copy of the last 20 things copied to the clipboard, so you can select and paste any of them, or even all 20 if you want to.

Why did no-one tell me that before?

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:25:02
From: dv
ID: 2195924
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Excel keeps a copy of the last 20 things copied to the clipboard, so you can select and paste any of them, or even all 20 if you want to.

Why did no-one tell me that before?

We thought you knew

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:28:47
From: dv
ID: 2195928
Subject: re: today I learned
yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

When you say “least popular” you just mean least common, right?

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:29:32
From: Arts
ID: 2195930
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


yesterday I learned, during a dinner conversation with the teenagers, that feb 29th is the least most popular birthday…

When you say “least popular” you just mean least common, right?

sure.. but it’s all a damn popularity contest with you kids

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:37:21
From: OCDC
ID: 2195943
Subject: re: today I learned

On 21 April 2021, Health Minister Andrew Little announced a plan to centralise healthcare, abolishing all 20 District Health Boards and creating a single health organisation called Health New Zealand, in a plan to centralise New Zealand’s fragmented healthcare system and end what has been characterised as a “postcode lottery” of care. Health New Zealand would be modelled after the United Kingdom’s National Health Service. The Ministry of Health also created a Māori Health Authority with spending power, and a new Public Health Authority to centralise public health work.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:41:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2195946
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that Excel keeps a copy of the last 20 things copied to the clipboard, so you can select and paste any of them, or even all 20 if you want to.

Why did no-one tell me that before?

We thought you knew

Well I should have known.

But I’ve just stuck to doing things the old way, assuming the clipboard only has access to the last thing copied.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:45:58
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2195951
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

On 21 April 2021, Health Minister Andrew Little announced a plan to centralise healthcare, abolishing all 20 District Health Boards and creating a single health organisation called Health New Zealand, in a plan to centralise New Zealand’s fragmented healthcare system and end what has been characterised as a “postcode lottery” of care. Health New Zealand would be modelled after the United Kingdom’s National Health Service. The Ministry of Health also created a Māori Health Authority with spending power, and a new Public Health Authority to centralise public health work.

did it work

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:52:44
From: OCDC
ID: 2195955
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

OCDC said:
On 21 April 2021, Health Minister Andrew Little announced a plan to centralise healthcare, abolishing all 20 District Health Boards and creating a single health organisation called Health New Zealand, in a plan to centralise New Zealand’s fragmented healthcare system and end what has been characterised as a “postcode lottery” of care. Health New Zealand would be modelled after the United Kingdom’s National Health Service. The Ministry of Health also created a Māori Health Authority with spending power, and a new Public Health Authority to centralise public health work.
did it work
It exists. Whether it’s an improvement I know not.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:53:34
From: OCDC
ID: 2195956
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:
OCDC said:
On 21 April 2021, Health Minister Andrew Little announced a plan to centralise healthcare, abolishing all 20 District Health Boards and creating a single health organisation called Health New Zealand, in a plan to centralise New Zealand’s fragmented healthcare system and end what has been characterised as a “postcode lottery” of care. Health New Zealand would be modelled after the United Kingdom’s National Health Service. The Ministry of Health also created a Māori Health Authority with spending power, and a new Public Health Authority to centralise public health work.
did it work
It exists. Whether it’s an improvement I know not.
If it is, perhaps the short lived plan to do similarly in Victorian May end up being of benefit.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:54:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2195957
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


SCIENCE said:
OCDC said:
On 21 April 2021, Health Minister Andrew Little announced a plan to centralise healthcare, abolishing all 20 District Health Boards and creating a single health organisation called Health New Zealand, in a plan to centralise New Zealand’s fragmented healthcare system and end what has been characterised as a “postcode lottery” of care. Health New Zealand would be modelled after the United Kingdom’s National Health Service. The Ministry of Health also created a Māori Health Authority with spending power, and a new Public Health Authority to centralise public health work.
did it work
It exists. Whether it’s an improvement I know not.

It hardly matters.

Some years down the track, sooner or later, someone will have a brainwave, and realise that the way to solve the health system’s troubles is to decentralise it all.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:55:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2195959
Subject: re: today I learned

>>But I’ve just stuck to doing things the old way,

You know it makes sense.

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Date: 13/09/2024 11:58:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2195960
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>But I’ve just stuck to doing things the old way,

You know it makes sense.

:)

But seriously, some changes in Excel are absolute crap, but this one looks like it should be really useful.

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Date: 13/09/2024 12:01:16
From: OCDC
ID: 2195961
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:
>>But I’ve just stuck to doing things the old way,

You know it makes sense.

:)

But seriously, some changes in Excel are absolute crap, but this one looks like it should be really useful.

I think it’s been around for years. Years as in at least a decade. But perhaps I am thinking of something else.

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Date: 13/09/2024 12:09:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2195966
Subject: re: today I learned

OCDC said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>But I’ve just stuck to doing things the old way,

You know it makes sense.

:)

But seriously, some changes in Excel are absolute crap, but this one looks like it should be really useful.

I think it’s been around for years. Years as in at least a decade. But perhaps I am thinking of something else.

Could well be.

Next year will be the 40th anniversary of my Introduction to spreadsheets, so anything less than 10 yars old is new as far as I’m concerned.

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Date: 13/09/2024 12:12:57
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2195968
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


OCDC said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
:)

But seriously, some changes in Excel are absolute crap, but this one looks like it should be really useful.

I think it’s been around for years. Years as in at least a decade. But perhaps I am thinking of something else.

Could well be.

Next year will be the 40th anniversary of my Introduction to spreadsheets, so anything less than 10 yars old is new as far as I’m concerned.

You’ve been using spreadsheets longer than I’ve been alive…

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Date: 13/09/2024 12:14:28
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2195970
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


OCDC said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
:)

But seriously, some changes in Excel are absolute crap, but this one looks like it should be really useful.

I think it’s been around for years. Years as in at least a decade. But perhaps I am thinking of something else.

Could well be.

Next year will be the 40th anniversary of my Introduction to spreadsheets, so anything less than 10 yars old is new as far as I’m concerned.

40 years? I wonder if Hallmark have a card.

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Date: 14/09/2024 09:07:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2196339
Subject: re: today I learned

that David Bowie was afraid of Americans in 1997.

I wonder how he would have felt about them today.

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Date: 14/09/2024 09:09:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2196341
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that David Bowie was afraid of Americans in 1997.

I wonder how he would have felt about them today.

Can you hear me Major Tom?

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Date: 14/09/2024 09:17:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2196344
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that David Bowie was afraid of Americans in 1997.

I wonder how he would have felt about them today.

Right At Home

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Date: 14/09/2024 09:28:41
From: party_pants
ID: 2196351
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that David Bowie was afraid of Americans in 1997.

I wonder how he would have felt about them today.

Can you hear me Major Tom?

turns out he was a junkie.

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Date: 14/09/2024 11:32:20
From: Ian
ID: 2196438
Subject: re: today I learned

Noel Gallagher of Oasis refers to “brickwalling” the mix on tracks such as Champagne Supernova

This is the use of extreme dynamic range compression and other measures to increase the “loudness” of a recording.

The top 2 tracks are thusly tweaked versions of the lower 2

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Date: 14/09/2024 19:00:49
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2196598
Subject: re: today I learned

Developed independently on two continents, the device was in use by artists within Mesoamerican cultures from as early as 650 BC until after the Spanish conquest in the 16th century, and 13th and 14th European painters. While European speech scrolls were drawn as if they were an actual unfurled scroll or strip of parchment, Mesoamerican speech scrolls are scroll-shaped, looking much like a question mark.

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Date: 14/09/2024 19:09:17
From: dv
ID: 2196600
Subject: re: today I learned

James Earl Jones and Carrie Fisher never met until 2013, when they filmed a seen together for The Big Bang Theory, some 46 years after the release of Star Wars.

This surprised me. I did realise that Jones’s voice work was recorded in a studio but I would’ve assumed that they met on publicity tours, conventions, interviews, something.

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Date: 14/09/2024 19:11:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2196603
Subject: re: today I learned

You just don’t know the power

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Date: 14/09/2024 19:15:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2196604
Subject: re: today I learned

wookiemeister said:


You just don’t know the power

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Date: 14/09/2024 22:21:45
From: dv
ID: 2196672
Subject: re: today I learned

On May 14th 1945 the Manhattan Project injected an unwilling patient with plutonium to study the effects of radiation on the human body.

Albert Stevens was a house painter from Ohio who had been diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and given six months to live. Since he was “doomed to die” he was injected with about 0.9mg of plutonium without his informed consent and placed under observation. Upon taking their first urine samples, the scientists made an awkward discovery.

Stevens did not have cancer. He had a harmless stomach ulcer that had been misdiagnosed. Unable to remove the radioactive material from his body without informing him, the scientists simply did not tell anyone and continued to observe.

Albert Stevens lived 21 more years, dying of a heart attack at age 79. He is estimated to have absorbed 64 Sv of radiation in that time (the maximum allowable is 0.05 Sv per year), making him the Most Radioactive Man of All Time.

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Date: 15/09/2024 09:03:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2196722
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


On May 14th 1945 the Manhattan Project injected an unwilling patient with plutonium to study the effects of radiation on the human body.

Albert Stevens was a house painter from Ohio who had been diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and given six months to live. Since he was “doomed to die” he was injected with about 0.9mg of plutonium without his informed consent and placed under observation. Upon taking their first urine samples, the scientists made an awkward discovery.

Stevens did not have cancer. He had a harmless stomach ulcer that had been misdiagnosed. Unable to remove the radioactive material from his body without informing him, the scientists simply did not tell anyone and continued to observe.

Albert Stevens lived 21 more years, dying of a heart attack at age 79. He is estimated to have absorbed 64 Sv of radiation in that time (the maximum allowable is 0.05 Sv per year), making him the Most Radioactive Man of All Time.

Gosh!

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Date: 15/09/2024 09:05:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2196723
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


On May 14th 1945 the Manhattan Project injected an unwilling patient with plutonium to study the effects of radiation on the human body.

Albert Stevens was a house painter from Ohio who had been diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and given six months to live. Since he was “doomed to die” he was injected with about 0.9mg of plutonium without his informed consent and placed under observation. Upon taking their first urine samples, the scientists made an awkward discovery.

Stevens did not have cancer. He had a harmless stomach ulcer that had been misdiagnosed. Unable to remove the radioactive material from his body without informing him, the scientists simply did not tell anyone and continued to observe.

Albert Stevens lived 21 more years, dying of a heart attack at age 79. He is estimated to have absorbed 64 Sv of radiation in that time (the maximum allowable is 0.05 Sv per year), making him the Most Radioactive Man of All Time.

Also, it is shit like this that leads some people to believe in implausible conspiracy theories.

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Date: 15/09/2024 09:30:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2196725
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

On May 14th 1945 the Manhattan Project injected an unwilling patient with plutonium to study the effects of radiation on the human body.

Albert Stevens was a house painter from Ohio who had been diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and given six months to live. Since he was “doomed to die” he was injected with about 0.9mg of plutonium without his informed consent and placed under observation. Upon taking their first urine samples, the scientists made an awkward discovery.

Stevens did not have cancer. He had a harmless stomach ulcer that had been misdiagnosed. Unable to remove the radioactive material from his body without informing him, the scientists simply did not tell anyone and continued to observe.

Albert Stevens lived 21 more years, dying of a heart attack at age 79. He is estimated to have absorbed 64 Sv of radiation in that time (the maximum allowable is 0.05 Sv per year), making him the Most Radioactive Man of All Time.

Also, it is shit like this that leads some people to believe in implausible conspiracy theories.

At least information on this is freely available.

Long live Wikipedia.

It’s free.

And ad-free.

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Date: 15/09/2024 09:45:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2196730
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

On May 14th 1945 the Manhattan Project injected an unwilling patient with plutonium to study the effects of radiation on the human body.

Albert Stevens was a house painter from Ohio who had been diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and given six months to live. Since he was “doomed to die” he was injected with about 0.9mg of plutonium without his informed consent and placed under observation. Upon taking their first urine samples, the scientists made an awkward discovery.

Stevens did not have cancer. He had a harmless stomach ulcer that had been misdiagnosed. Unable to remove the radioactive material from his body without informing him, the scientists simply did not tell anyone and continued to observe.

Albert Stevens lived 21 more years, dying of a heart attack at age 79. He is estimated to have absorbed 64 Sv of radiation in that time (the maximum allowable is 0.05 Sv per year), making him the Most Radioactive Man of All Time.

Also, it is shit like this that leads some people to believe in implausible conspiracy theories.

At least information on this is freely available.

Long live Wikipedia.

It’s free.

And ad-free.

implausible but are they true

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Date: 16/09/2024 13:44:51
From: dv
ID: 2196934
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boxing_Cats_(Prof._Welton%27s)

I thought I was familiar with all the early films.

Not this one, though.

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Date: 16/09/2024 16:44:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2196955
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

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Date: 16/09/2024 16:54:05
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2196956
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

Nice.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:11:12
From: buffy
ID: 2196958
Subject: re: today I learned

About Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace. At least I read a nice condensed version of her insights. I did actually know a bit about her. I must have forgotten that her father was Byron. I don’t think I had previously read “Lady Byron attempted to shield Lovelace from inheriting her father’s er­­ratic temperament by steering her away from literary studies and instead fostering her interest in science and math.”

Scientific American article

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:34:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2196960
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

OK, not sure why they didn’t make it an arch though.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:36:35
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2196961
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

OK, not sure why they didn’t make it an arch though.

The arch is underneath. Does that count?

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:44:03
From: Michael V
ID: 2196965
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

Ha!

I’ve done it the old way, in 1965.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:46:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2196967
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

Ha!

I’ve done it the old way, in 1965.

I did it the old way too. slippery stairs.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:48:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2196970
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/08/09/tintagel-castle-bridge-william-matthews-associates-cornwall

Link.

The bridge that doesn’t meet in the middle.

Ha!

I’ve done it the old way, in 1965.

I did it the old way too. slippery stairs.

I don’t remember slipperiness, but I do remember it was quite a hike.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:56:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2196975
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

Ha!

I’ve done it the old way, in 1965.

I did it the old way too. slippery stairs.

I don’t remember slipperiness, but I do remember it was quite a hike.

it had been raining and made the stone steps slippery. plus they were pretty steep.

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Date: 16/09/2024 17:58:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2196976
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

I did it the old way too. slippery stairs.

I don’t remember slipperiness, but I do remember it was quite a hike.

it had been raining and made the stone steps slippery. plus they were pretty steep.

It was dry when we were there. Steep I also remember.

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Date: 17/09/2024 12:03:17
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2197116
Subject: re: today I learned

The US Antarctic base, McMurdo Station, isn’t actually on the mainland of the Antarctic continent, it’s on Ross Island. That’s about 167° east or kinda (a long way) south of the south island of New Zealand.
Ross Island is dominated by the volcano Mount Erebus, which is the mountain that the Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into in 1979. The crash site is on the other (northish) side of the island.

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Date: 17/09/2024 12:10:25
From: Cymek
ID: 2197121
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The US Antarctic base, McMurdo Station, isn’t actually on the mainland of the Antarctic continent, it’s on Ross Island. That’s about 167° east or kinda (a long way) south of the south island of New Zealand.
Ross Island is dominated by the volcano Mount Erebus, which is the mountain that the Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into in 1979. The crash site is on the other (northish) side of the island.

I thought The Thing was set there, apparently not

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Date: 17/09/2024 12:12:17
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2197124
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Spiny Norman said:

The US Antarctic base, McMurdo Station, isn’t actually on the mainland of the Antarctic continent, it’s on Ross Island. That’s about 167° east or kinda (a long way) south of the south island of New Zealand.
Ross Island is dominated by the volcano Mount Erebus, which is the mountain that the Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into in 1979. The crash site is on the other (northish) side of the island.

I thought The Thing was set there, apparently not

Nah, that fictional base was some distance from McMurdo. Though Windows, the radio chap, did try to get a hold of McMurdo early in the movie. The weather & conditions (and plot) prevented any outside contact though.

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Date: 17/09/2024 12:19:13
From: Cymek
ID: 2197132
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Cymek said:

Spiny Norman said:

The US Antarctic base, McMurdo Station, isn’t actually on the mainland of the Antarctic continent, it’s on Ross Island. That’s about 167° east or kinda (a long way) south of the south island of New Zealand.
Ross Island is dominated by the volcano Mount Erebus, which is the mountain that the Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into in 1979. The crash site is on the other (northish) side of the island.

I thought The Thing was set there, apparently not

Nah, that fictional base was some distance from McMurdo. Though Windows, the radio chap, did try to get a hold of McMurdo early in the movie. The weather & conditions (and plot) prevented any outside contact though.

That’s right, I thought it was mentioned.

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Date: 18/09/2024 14:54:07
From: OCDC
ID: 2197380
Subject: re: today I learned

Consider this 2D image, unless you are foruming on a CRT VDU, in which case it may be 3D.

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Date: 18/09/2024 14:54:27
From: OCDC
ID: 2197381
Subject: re: today I learned

I tried for the other thread…

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Date: 18/09/2024 21:20:26
From: dv
ID: 2197484
Subject: re: today I learned

I think I only just realised Abraham Lincoln had no mustache

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Date: 18/09/2024 21:22:38
From: Neophyte
ID: 2197486
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I think I only just realised Abraham Lincoln had no mustache

The story goes that he only grew his whiskers after a young girl wrote to him suggesting it.

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Date: 19/09/2024 07:54:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2197531
Subject: re: today I learned

that Donald Trump had a long-term relationship with a much older man called Roy Cohn, who apart from being a right bastard, was also a closet homosexual.

It was on Quora, so it must be true.

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Date: 19/09/2024 07:59:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2197532
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Donald Trump had a long-term relationship with a much older man called Roy Cohn, who apart from being a right bastard, was also a closet homosexual.

It was on Quora, so it must be true.

OK, seems it wasn’t true. TATE tells me that:

“Roy was not gay. He was a man who liked having sex with men. Gays were weak, effeminate. He always seemed to have these young blond boys around. It just wasn’t discussed. He was interested in power and access.”

Sorry about that.

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Date: 19/09/2024 08:10:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2197534
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that Donald Trump had a long-term relationship with a much older man called Roy Cohn, who apart from being a right bastard, was also a closet homosexual.

It was on Quora, so it must be true.

OK, seems it wasn’t true. TATE tells me that:

“Roy was not gay. He was a man who liked having sex with men. Gays were weak, effeminate. He always seemed to have these young blond boys around. It just wasn’t discussed. He was interested in power and access.”

Sorry about that.

wait we think you got redirected to the article about that other Great Leader of the National Socialists 80 years ago

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Date: 19/09/2024 08:29:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2197538
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that Donald Trump had a long-term relationship with a much older man called Roy Cohn, who apart from being a right bastard, was also a closet homosexual.

It was on Quora, so it must be true.

OK, seems it wasn’t true. TATE tells me that:

“Roy was not gay. He was a man who liked having sex with men. Gays were weak, effeminate. He always seemed to have these young blond boys around. It just wasn’t discussed. He was interested in power and access.”

Sorry about that.

wait we think you got redirected to the article about that other Great Leader of the National Socialists 80 years ago

Yeah, certainly sounds like that.

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Date: 19/09/2024 12:03:45
From: ruby
ID: 2197624
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Donald Trump had a long-term relationship with a much older man called Roy Cohn, who apart from being a right bastard, was also a closet homosexual.

It was on Quora, so it must be true.

Thank you for sending me on an interesting journey this morning, Rev.
Reading about Roy Cohn on wikipedia led me on some interesting links.
Like the Western Goals Foundation, a private domestic intelligence agency, wtf!…..and the phrase ‘akin to a mini deep state’ made me sit up and take notice, as some of the woo rhetoric bangs on about deep state stuff.
And that led me to The John Birch Society. Crikey.
But a big hmmm for Trump and his close relationship with Roy Cohn. You can really see Trump and his cronies learnt well.
I wonder if amplifying their talking points with outrage and memes is helping their cause.

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Date: 19/09/2024 13:00:52
From: esselte
ID: 2197669
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL

Ferrari comes from ferraro, meaning “blacksmith,” putting it on par with the English & American surname “Smith.”

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/manufacturer-information/what-does-ferrari-mean/

Hey everyone, check out my Smith F50!

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Date: 19/09/2024 13:03:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2197672
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


TIL

Ferrari comes from ferraro, meaning “blacksmith,” putting it on par with the English & American surname “Smith.”

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/manufacturer-information/what-does-ferrari-mean/

Hey everyone, check out my Smith F50!

“Under a spreading chestnut-tree
The village Ferrari stands;”

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Date: 20/09/2024 11:17:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2197965
Subject: re: today I learned

that the conjecture:
n^19 +6 and (n+1)^19 + 9 are relatively prime
is not true.

The smallest counterexample is
n = 1578270389554680057141787800241971645032008710129107338825798 .

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Date: 20/09/2024 12:15:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2197981
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the conjecture:
n^19 +6 and (n+1)^19 + 9 are relatively prime
is not true.

The smallest counterexample is
n = 1578270389554680057141787800241971645032008710129107338825798 .

I’ll commit that number to memory, just in case I ever need it.

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Date: 20/09/2024 12:31:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2197987
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that the conjecture:
n^19 +6 and (n+1)^19 + 9 are relatively prime
is not true.

The smallest counterexample is
n = 1578270389554680057141787800241971645032008710129107338825798 .

I’ll commit that number to memory, just in case I ever need it.

Could come in handy in a job interview.

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Date: 20/09/2024 13:36:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2197999
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

that the conjecture:
n^19 +6 and (n+1)^19 + 9 are relatively prime
is not true.

The smallest counterexample is
n = 1578270389554680057141787800241971645032008710129107338825798 .

what’s the largest

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Date: 21/09/2024 19:02:04
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2198411
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D-LSHbttwTs

Link

Cape to Cape region WA, sand Tsunami.

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Date: 21/09/2024 19:11:07
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2198414
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D-LSHbttwTs

Link

Cape to Cape region WA, sand Tsunami.

Impressive.

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Date: 22/09/2024 08:34:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2198495
Subject: re: today I learned

Today marks 150 years since Gerard Krefft was dismissed as
curator from the Australian Museum 🏛️

Curator of the Australian Museum from 1861 to 1874, Krefft
worked to build the museum’s international reputation.

He published more than 200 scientific articles and several
books, describing many new species of snakes and marsupials,
including the first description of the Queensland Lungfish.

Krefft was one of the very first Australian scientists to accept
and support Darwin and his Theory of Evolution – he
corresponded with Darwin!

As the evolution debate heated up, Krefft found himself in
opposition to the church, his scientific peers and to some
of the Trustees of the Australian Museum.

On this day in 1874, Gerard Krefft was forcibly removed
from his role and carried out of the museum on this chair

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Date: 22/09/2024 08:43:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2198497
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Today marks 150 years since Gerard Krefft was dismissed as
curator from the Australian Museum 🏛️

Curator of the Australian Museum from 1861 to 1874, Krefft
worked to build the museum’s international reputation.

He published more than 200 scientific articles and several
books, describing many new species of snakes and marsupials,
including the first description of the Queensland Lungfish.

Krefft was one of the very first Australian scientists to accept
and support Darwin and his Theory of Evolution – he
corresponded with Darwin!

As the evolution debate heated up, Krefft found himself in
opposition to the church, his scientific peers and to some
of the Trustees of the Australian Museum.

On this day in 1874, Gerard Krefft was forcibly removed
from his role and carried out of the museum on this chair

Huh!

TIL, too.

But I will forget by tomorrow, so maybe TIWL

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Date: 22/09/2024 09:09:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2198498
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

Today marks 150 years since Gerard Krefft was dismissed as
curator from the Australian Museum 🏛️

Curator of the Australian Museum from 1861 to 1874, Krefft
worked to build the museum’s international reputation.

He published more than 200 scientific articles and several
books, describing many new species of snakes and marsupials,
including the first description of the Queensland Lungfish.

Krefft was one of the very first Australian scientists to accept
and support Darwin and his Theory of Evolution – he
corresponded with Darwin!

As the evolution debate heated up, Krefft found himself in
opposition to the church, his scientific peers and to some
of the Trustees of the Australian Museum.

On this day in 1874, Gerard Krefft was forcibly removed
from his role and carried out of the museum on this chair

Huh!

TIL, too.

But I will forget by tomorrow, so maybe TIWL

I was just thinking that post should have been here!

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Date: 22/09/2024 12:58:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2198580
Subject: re: today I learned

Damn, I was hoping it came from the awful mess the soldiers made when eating, but it’s the other way around: the messy sense of mess derives from the earlier non-messy use.

mess (n.)

c. 1300, “a supply or provision of food for one meal,” from Old French mes “portion of food, course at dinner,” from Late Latin missus “course at dinner,” literally “a placing, a putting (on a table, etc.),” from past participle of mittere “to put, place,” in classical Latin “to send, let go” (see mission). For sense evolution, compare early Middle English sonde “a serving of food or drink; a meal or course of a meal,” from Old English sond, sand, literally “a sending,” the noun form of send (v.).

Meaning “a communal eating place” (especially a military one) is attested by 1530s, from the earlier sense of “a company of persons eating together at the same table” (early 15c.), originally a group of four. The sense of “mixed food,” especially “mixed food for animals” (1738), probably is what led to the contemptuous colloquial use of mess for “a jumble, a mixed mass” (1828) and the figurative sense of “state of confusion, a situation of disorder” (1834), as well as “condition of untidiness” (1851).

General use for “a quantity” of anything is attested by 1830. Meaning “excrement” (of animals) is from 1903. Mess-hall “area where military personnel eat and socialize” is by 1832. Mess-kit “the cooking- and table-utensils of a camp, with the chest in which they are kept” is by 1829. Mess-locker “a small locker on shipboard for holding mess-gear” is by 1829.

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Date: 22/09/2024 12:59:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2198581
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Damn, I was hoping it came from the awful mess the soldiers made when eating, but it’s the other way around: the messy sense of mess derives from the earlier non-messy use.

mess (n.)

c. 1300, “a supply or provision of food for one meal,” from Old French mes “portion of food, course at dinner,” from Late Latin missus “course at dinner,” literally “a placing, a putting (on a table, etc.),” from past participle of mittere “to put, place,” in classical Latin “to send, let go” (see mission). For sense evolution, compare early Middle English sonde “a serving of food or drink; a meal or course of a meal,” from Old English sond, sand, literally “a sending,” the noun form of send (v.).

Meaning “a communal eating place” (especially a military one) is attested by 1530s, from the earlier sense of “a company of persons eating together at the same table” (early 15c.), originally a group of four. The sense of “mixed food,” especially “mixed food for animals” (1738), probably is what led to the contemptuous colloquial use of mess for “a jumble, a mixed mass” (1828) and the figurative sense of “state of confusion, a situation of disorder” (1834), as well as “condition of untidiness” (1851).

General use for “a quantity” of anything is attested by 1830. Meaning “excrement” (of animals) is from 1903. Mess-hall “area where military personnel eat and socialize” is by 1832. Mess-kit “the cooking- and table-utensils of a camp, with the chest in which they are kept” is by 1829. Mess-locker “a small locker on shipboard for holding mess-gear” is by 1829.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/mess

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Date: 22/09/2024 18:57:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2198626
Subject: re: today I learned

that Scientific American has endorsed Kamala Harris.

Only the 2nd time they have supported a specific candidate.

Surely that will sway at least a few not-glued-on republicans.

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Date: 22/09/2024 19:02:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2198627
Subject: re: today I learned

we suppose it has to be something of an indictment of all called democracy if there isn’t a scientific measure by which the candidacy can reliably be differentially ranked

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Date: 22/09/2024 19:17:31
From: party_pants
ID: 2198628
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that Scientific American has endorsed Kamala Harris.

Only the 2nd time they have supported a specific candidate.

Surely that will sway at least a few not-glued-on republicans.

The other time was in 2020.

perhaps it’s a new thing they’re going to do from now on.

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Date: 22/09/2024 20:45:23
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2198648
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

we suppose it has to be something of an indictment of all called democracy if there isn’t a scientific measure by which the candidacy can reliably be differentially ranked

___

IQ

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Date: 27/09/2024 21:38:50
From: Neophyte
ID: 2199964
Subject: re: today I learned

“Get thee to a nunnery”

‘nunnery’ was an Elizabethan euphemism for a brothel.

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Date: 27/09/2024 21:47:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2199965
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


“Get thee to a nunnery”

‘nunnery’ was an Elizabethan euphemism for a brothel.

that changes things a bit…

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Date: 27/09/2024 22:26:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2199969
Subject: re: today I learned

I assumed mortadella meant “sausage from death” or suchlike but I was of course mistaken.

Etymology

The origin of the name mortadella is debated. One theory derives the name from the Latin word mortarium (‘mortar’), traditionally used in pounding the meat to produce the sausage. This theory, proposed by Giancarlo Susini, professor of ancient history in the University of Bologna, relies on two funerary steles kept in the Archaeological Museum of Bologna, believed to pertain to the same monument, one showing a herd of piglets and the other a mortar and pestle.

Another theory, introduced by Ovidio Montalbani in the 17th century, derives the name from a Roman sausage flavoured with myrtle berries that Romans called farcimen myrtatum or farcimen murtatum (myrtle sausage). Myrtle was in fact a popular spice before pepper became available to European markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella

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Date: 28/09/2024 08:56:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200001
Subject: re: today I learned

of Hodge duality and Hodge Theory.

Well I say “I learned”.

I now know the names.

I have not a clue what it is all about.

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Date: 28/09/2024 09:01:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2200003
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Hodge duality and Hodge Theory.

Well I say “I learned”.

I now know the names.

I have not a clue what it is all about.

You’ll find that happening more and more.

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Date: 28/09/2024 10:45:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200023
Subject: re: today I learned

“The Pheasant Plucker’s Song” was an Australian Top 10 single.

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Date: 28/09/2024 11:04:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2200033
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


“The Pheasant Plucker’s Song” was an Australian Top 10 single.

Which year?

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Date: 28/09/2024 11:12:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200036
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

“The Pheasant Plucker’s Song” was an Australian Top 10 single.

Which year?

Bingbot tells me it was released in 1980 in UK and Australia.

They were performing it long before that of course. I saw them around 1970/71.

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Date: 28/09/2024 11:16:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2200039
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“The Pheasant Plucker’s Song” was an Australian Top 10 single.

Which year?

Bingbot tells me it was released in 1980 in UK and Australia.

They were performing it long before that of course. I saw them around 1970/71.

Ah. I didn’t listen much during the eighties. Young kids and all that.

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Date: 28/09/2024 11:19:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200042
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Which year?

Bingbot tells me it was released in 1980 in UK and Australia.

They were performing it long before that of course. I saw them around 1970/71.

Ah. I didn’t listen much during the eighties. Young kids and all that.

Same here.

Living in Saudi didn’t help either.

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Date: 28/09/2024 14:18:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2200124
Subject: re: today I learned

that whatami apparently means thank you.

or so the google translator thinks.

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Date: 28/09/2024 14:20:15
From: Tamb
ID: 2200125
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


that whatami apparently means thank you.

or so the google translator thinks.


That’s what wot comes with spelling it what and not wot.

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Date: 28/09/2024 14:30:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2200132
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

that whatami apparently means thank you.

or so the google translator thinks.


That’s what wot comes with spelling it what and not wot.

:) apparently so.

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Date: 29/09/2024 08:10:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200304
Subject: re: today I learned

Jaqui McShee looks like Queen Victoria:

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Date: 29/09/2024 09:32:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2200321
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Jaqui McShee looks like Queen Victoria:

Would Jaqui be amused?

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Date: 29/09/2024 09:37:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200322
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Jaqui McShee looks like Queen Victoria:

Would Jaqui be amused?

I suspect she would.

Unless she is already tired of people pointing it out.

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Date: 29/09/2024 09:50:55
From: Tamb
ID: 2200323
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Jaqui McShee looks like Queen Victoria:

Would Jaqui be amused?

I suspect she would.

Unless she is already tired of people pointing it out.

How strange. The modern image is B&W and the victorian era image is in colour.

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Date: 29/09/2024 09:59:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200325
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Would Jaqui be amused?

I suspect she would.

Unless she is already tired of people pointing it out.

How strange. The modern image is B&W and the victorian era image is in colour.

The B&W one would be late 60’s, so not that modern.

The colored one seems to come from somewhere called Deviant Art, which seems to be AI generated stuff, if so is actually quite modern.

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Date: 29/09/2024 10:01:54
From: Tamb
ID: 2200326
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I suspect she would.

Unless she is already tired of people pointing it out.

How strange. The modern image is B&W and the victorian era image is in colour.

The B&W one would be late 60’s, so not that modern.

The colored one seems to come from somewhere called Deviant Art, which seems to be AI generated stuff, if so is actually quite modern.


That would explain the loss of a few kilos.

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Date: 29/09/2024 10:06:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200328
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

How strange. The modern image is B&W and the victorian era image is in colour.

The B&W one would be late 60’s, so not that modern.

The colored one seems to come from somewhere called Deviant Art, which seems to be AI generated stuff, if so is actually quite modern.


That would explain the loss of a few kilos.

Here’s an actual painting of the real young Queen Vic.

Now I’m wondering if the other one was computer generated, based on a photo of Jaqui McShee :)

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Date: 29/09/2024 10:08:06
From: Tamb
ID: 2200329
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The B&W one would be late 60’s, so not that modern.

The colored one seems to come from somewhere called Deviant Art, which seems to be AI generated stuff, if so is actually quite modern.


That would explain the loss of a few kilos.

Here’s an actual painting of the real young Queen Vic.

Now I’m wondering if the other one was computer generated, based on a photo of Jaqui McShee :)


This one has the required amount of bulk.

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Date: 29/09/2024 10:17:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2200331
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

That would explain the loss of a few kilos.

Here’s an actual painting of the real young Queen Vic.

Now I’m wondering if the other one was computer generated, based on a photo of Jaqui McShee :)


This one has the required amount of bulk.

Here’s another one from a colourised version of an actual photograph, which is actually a bit more J McS looking:

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Date: 30/09/2024 13:53:56
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2200760
Subject: re: today I learned

Jason Momoa has the same birthday as me.

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Date: 30/09/2024 13:55:11
From: dv
ID: 2200762
Subject: re: today I learned

Well you are an august one.

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Date: 30/09/2024 13:56:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2200763
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Well you are an august one.

Don’t encourage him. ;)

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Date: 1/10/2024 13:20:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2200999
Subject: re: today I learned

An autopsy done on animals is called a necropsy.
Over.

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Date: 1/10/2024 14:19:56
From: dv
ID: 2201030
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


An autopsy done on animals is called a necropsy.
Over.

why

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Date: 1/10/2024 14:21:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2201033
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

An autopsy done on animals is called a necropsy.
Over.

why

surely an autopsy involves thinking about oneself

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Date: 1/10/2024 14:22:03
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2201034
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

An autopsy done on animals is called a necropsy.
Over.

why

Tradition.

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Date: 1/10/2024 14:23:40
From: dv
ID: 2201036
Subject: re: today I learned

From New Latin autopsia, from Ancient Greek αὐτοψῐ́ᾱ (autopsíā, “seeing with one’s own eyes”).

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Date: 1/10/2024 14:25:00
From: Ian
ID: 2201037
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

An autopsy done on animals is called a necropsy.
Over.

why

Always been a PM afaik

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Date: 1/10/2024 18:26:49
From: dv
ID: 2201098
Subject: re: today I learned

The feck in feckless is just a shortened form of effect.

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Date: 1/10/2024 18:32:42
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2201099
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The feck in feckless is just a shortened form of effect.

I suppose it’s also true that people who “don’t give a feck” about something, don’t wish or intend to have any effect on the matter.

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Date: 1/10/2024 22:34:08
From: dv
ID: 2201149
Subject: re: today I learned

Jamaica, Queens, New York and Jamaica the country have no common etymological root. The identical names are a coincidence.
Jamaica the country comes from the Taino word “xaymaca” meaning “Land of Fresh Water” or “Land of Springs”. Columbus wrote down the word as ‘Yamaye’.
Jamaica the neighbourhood is named after the Lenape word for beaver, ‘yamecah’. The J was added by Dutch settlers who traded with the Lenape around modern-day Queens.

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Date: 2/10/2024 08:16:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2201174
Subject: re: today I learned

New Scientist tells me that researchers have found that common sense is not very common

But surely that’s just common sense.

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Date: 2/10/2024 08:29:22
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2201176
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.wunc.org/2024-09-30/a-tiny-town-just-got-slammed-by-helene-it-could-massively-disrupt-the-tech-industry

Link

Quartz.

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Date: 2/10/2024 10:10:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2201225
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.wunc.org/2024-09-30/a-tiny-town-just-got-slammed-by-helene-it-could-massively-disrupt-the-tech-industry

Link

Quartz.

good to see modern learning in action

sorry we mean leaning

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Date: 2/10/2024 11:20:36
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2201245
Subject: re: today I learned

“Keith Richards In Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World’s End
©Walt Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End (2007)
Keith Richards, the legendary member of the Rolling Stones, took everyone by surprise with his cameo appearance in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End. But with his uncanny resemblance to Johnny Depp, Richards was a shoo-in for the role of Captain Jack Sparrow’s father.”

I’m sure JD would not like the uncanny resemblance remark.

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Date: 2/10/2024 11:30:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2201247
Subject: re: today I learned

Quentin Tarantino In Desperado
©Columbia, Desperado (1995)
Listed in the credits as “Pick-up Guy”, Quentin Tarantino has a brief cameo in Desperado. Par for the course, given Tarantino’s penchant for violence in his own films, Pick-up Guy is gunned down within a few minutes of his appearance.

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Date: 2/10/2024 11:32:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2201248
Subject: re: today I learned

Jimmy Buffett In Jurassic World
©Universal, Jurassic World (2015)
In a nod to one of his biggest hit songs, Jimmy Buffett rushes off—with a margarita in each hand—as pterosaurs swoop down on the crowd in Jurassic World. Buffett’s time on the screen lasts mere seconds and he doesn’t utter a single line of dialogue but the cameo is iconic.

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Date: 2/10/2024 16:05:26
From: esselte
ID: 2201342
Subject: re: today I learned

Baby owls sleep on their stomachs. Adorably.

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Date: 2/10/2024 16:56:48
From: Kingy
ID: 2201355
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


Baby owls sleep on their stomachs. Adorably.

Looks more like a teenage owl that’s just lost a game of “Wheel of Goon”.

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Date: 2/10/2024 17:00:46
From: Cymek
ID: 2201358
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


esselte said:

Baby owls sleep on their stomachs. Adorably.

Looks more like a teenage owl that’s just lost a game of “Wheel of Goon”.

Apparently owls are mistaken for aliens
I imagine run away imagination and inebriation play a part
But yeah they are quite freaky looking (no offence owls)

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Date: 2/10/2024 17:54:19
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2201371
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


esselte said:

Baby owls sleep on their stomachs. Adorably.

Looks more like a teenage owl that’s just lost a game of “Wheel of Goon”.

We knew it as ‘Goon of Fortune’.

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Date: 2/10/2024 22:25:50
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2201423
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 2/10/2024 22:34:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2201424
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



This sounds like a factoid.

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Date: 2/10/2024 22:40:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2201425
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bogsnorkler said:


This sounds like a factoid.

The Bingbot says it is true.

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Date: 2/10/2024 22:46:46
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2201427
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Bogsnorkler said:


This sounds like a factoid.

The Bingbot says it is true.

I’m still sus. Melbourne for one covers the same area as London with 3 million less people and is more suburban so it would have to be up there.

Then there’s this:

“Which Australian city has the most trees?
Hobart is the highest ranking capital city in terms of the proportion of tree canopy to other kinds of ground cover. Hobart boasts 59% tree canopy cover. By comparison, Adelaide has the lowest proportion of tree canopy among Australia’s capitals with 27%.

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Date: 2/10/2024 22:57:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2201428
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

This sounds like a factoid.

The Bingbot says it is true.

I’m still sus. Melbourne for one covers the same area as London with 3 million less people and is more suburban so it would have to be up there.

Then there’s this:

“Which Australian city has the most trees?
Hobart is the highest ranking capital city in terms of the proportion of tree canopy to other kinds of ground cover. Hobart boasts 59% tree canopy cover. By comparison, Adelaide has the lowest proportion of tree canopy among Australia’s capitals with 27%.

I read somewhere that there are more apple trees in the north hobart suburbs now than there were when it was full of orchards.

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Date: 3/10/2024 11:24:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2201497
Subject: re: today I learned

Battle of Sandwich (851)

The Battle of Sandwich in 851 was the first known naval battle in English history. It was a Kentish victory against a Danish Viking fleet.

In 851 King Æthelwulf of Wessex scored a major victory at the battle of Aclea over an army drawn from 350 Danish ships. He had appointed his eldest son Æthelstan under-king of Kent, and in the same year Æthelstan and his ealdorman Ealhhere defeated a Danish fleet off Sandwich in Kent.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851 that: “King Æthelstan and Ealdorman Ealhhere fought in ships, and slew a great army at Sandwich in Kent, and captured nine ships, and put the others to flight.

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Date: 3/10/2024 11:31:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2201500
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Battle of Sandwich (851)

The Battle of Sandwich in 851 was the first known naval battle in English history. It was a Kentish victory against a Danish Viking fleet.

In 851 King Æthelwulf of Wessex scored a major victory at the battle of Aclea over an army drawn from 350 Danish ships. He had appointed his eldest son Æthelstan under-king of Kent, and in the same year Æthelstan and his ealdorman Ealhhere defeated a Danish fleet off Sandwich in Kent.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851 that: “King Æthelstan and Ealdorman Ealhhere fought in ships, and slew a great army at Sandwich in Kent, and captured nine ships, and put the others to flight.

“The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851”

Must have been a had written Chronicle.

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Date: 3/10/2024 11:33:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2201501
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

Battle of Sandwich (851)

The Battle of Sandwich in 851 was the first known naval battle in English history. It was a Kentish victory against a Danish Viking fleet.

In 851 King Æthelwulf of Wessex scored a major victory at the battle of Aclea over an army drawn from 350 Danish ships. He had appointed his eldest son Æthelstan under-king of Kent, and in the same year Æthelstan and his ealdorman Ealhhere defeated a Danish fleet off Sandwich in Kent.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851 that: “King Æthelstan and Ealdorman Ealhhere fought in ships, and slew a great army at Sandwich in Kent, and captured nine ships, and put the others to flight.

“The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851”

Must have been a had written Chronicle.

hand

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Date: 3/10/2024 11:35:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2201504
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Battle of Sandwich (851)

The Battle of Sandwich in 851 was the first known naval battle in English history. It was a Kentish victory against a Danish Viking fleet.

In 851 King Æthelwulf of Wessex scored a major victory at the battle of Aclea over an army drawn from 350 Danish ships. He had appointed his eldest son Æthelstan under-king of Kent, and in the same year Æthelstan and his ealdorman Ealhhere defeated a Danish fleet off Sandwich in Kent.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851 that: “King Æthelstan and Ealdorman Ealhhere fought in ships, and slew a great army at Sandwich in Kent, and captured nine ships, and put the others to flight.

The whole “English history started in 1066” thing is a bit weird.

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Date: 3/10/2024 11:39:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2201505
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Battle of Sandwich (851)

The Battle of Sandwich in 851 was the first known naval battle in English history. It was a Kentish victory against a Danish Viking fleet.

In 851 King Æthelwulf of Wessex scored a major victory at the battle of Aclea over an army drawn from 350 Danish ships. He had appointed his eldest son Æthelstan under-king of Kent, and in the same year Æthelstan and his ealdorman Ealhhere defeated a Danish fleet off Sandwich in Kent.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle recorded under 851 that: “King Æthelstan and Ealdorman Ealhhere fought in ships, and slew a great army at Sandwich in Kent, and captured nine ships, and put the others to flight.

The whole “English history started in 1066” thing is a bit weird.

About the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle

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Date: 3/10/2024 23:34:44
From: Kingy
ID: 2201716
Subject: re: today I learned

I haven’t done any fact checking, but this seems important.

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Date: 5/10/2024 19:37:24
From: dv
ID: 2202312
Subject: re: today I learned

Fun fact: Joaquin Phoenix and Heath Ledger are one of two pairs of actors to win an Oscar for portraying the same character.

The other is Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro for their portrayals of Don Vito Corleone: Brando in The Godfather and De Niro in Godfather 2.

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Date: 5/10/2024 19:44:40
From: dv
ID: 2202315
Subject: re: today I learned

Amy Schumer is Chuck Schumer’s second cousin.

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Date: 5/10/2024 20:00:25
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2202320
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabous_Giraffes

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Date: 5/10/2024 20:43:38
From: dv
ID: 2202333
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabous_Giraffes

Nice

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Date: 5/10/2024 20:46:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2202337
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabous_Giraffes

Nice

TIL that too. Thanks.

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Date: 5/10/2024 20:50:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2202340
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabous_Giraffes

Nice

TIL that too. Thanks.

I knew of these giraffes but it’s nice to be reminded.

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Date: 7/10/2024 08:22:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202644
Subject: re: today I learned

of Philipp Lenard

https://www.quora.com/Was-Einstein-a-fake-and-a-plagiarist

“Lenard became convinced of two things: first that there was a distinct type of “Deutsche Physik” that was experimentally based, and was the only “right” way to do science. This was in contrast to the theoretically-led science exemplified by Einstein’s relativity as well as the new quantum theory that was being created at the time. This, he started dismissing as “Jewish Physics”. Second, Lenard started to believe deeply in anti-semitism more generally, and in particular in the pernicious influence of the “Jewish international press” that he believed were unfairly publicising and promoting Einstein’s theories.”

See link for more.

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Date: 7/10/2024 08:35:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2202645
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Philipp Lenard

https://www.quora.com/Was-Einstein-a-fake-and-a-plagiarist

“Lenard became convinced of two things: first that there was a distinct type of “Deutsche Physik” that was experimentally based, and was the only “right” way to do science. This was in contrast to the theoretically-led science exemplified by Einstein’s relativity as well as the new quantum theory that was being created at the time. This, he started dismissing as “Jewish Physics”. Second, Lenard started to believe deeply in anti-semitism more generally, and in particular in the pernicious influence of the “Jewish international press” that he believed were unfairly publicising and promoting Einstein’s theories.”

See link for more.

Probably a good job that the Nazis revered such idiots, or they might have had a better chance to develop an atom bomb.

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Date: 7/10/2024 08:43:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2202646
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Philipp Lenard

https://www.quora.com/Was-Einstein-a-fake-and-a-plagiarist

“Lenard became convinced of two things: first that there was a distinct type of “Deutsche Physik” that was experimentally based, and was the only “right” way to do science. This was in contrast to the theoretically-led science exemplified by Einstein’s relativity as well as the new quantum theory that was being created at the time. This, he started dismissing as “Jewish Physics”. Second, Lenard started to believe deeply in anti-semitism more generally, and in particular in the pernicious influence of the “Jewish international press” that he believed were unfairly publicising and promoting Einstein’s theories.”

See link for more.

Probably a good job that the Nazis revered such idiots, or they might have had a better chance to develop an atom bomb.

Indeed.

You have to wonder what life is like in the alternative universe where all the improbable things that led to the Germans losing happened differently.

Maybe Trump is world president there.

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Date: 7/10/2024 08:55:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2202650
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Trump is world president there.

Even if he wins the election, Trump won’t be president of anything for very long.

I said a few months back, watch carefully who Trump gets as his Vice-President nominee.

The Republican party (the people who really run it, not the loud-mouthed shitbirds you see in the headlines) aren’t going to indulge Trump for very long. He was a useful idiot the first time around, but, now, it’s just too tiresome.

Not too long into the Presidency, we can expect movement on action under the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution, which allows for the removal of a President.

Then, it’ll be President Vance, the compliant and willing President Vance, and Project 2025 can really build up some steam.

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Date: 7/10/2024 09:16:26
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2202654
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Philipp Lenard

https://www.quora.com/Was-Einstein-a-fake-and-a-plagiarist

“Lenard became convinced of two things: first that there was a distinct type of “Deutsche Physik” that was experimentally based, and was the only “right” way to do science. This was in contrast to the theoretically-led science exemplified by Einstein’s relativity as well as the new quantum theory that was being created at the time. This, he started dismissing as “Jewish Physics”. Second, Lenard started to believe deeply in anti-semitism more generally, and in particular in the pernicious influence of the “Jewish international press” that he believed were unfairly publicising and promoting Einstein’s theories.”

See link for more.

Probably a good job that the Nazis revered such idiots, or they might have had a better chance to develop an atom bomb.

Yup, all those incredible Jewish scientists who’s past work was not only ignored, but who’s future work was for the allies.

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Date: 7/10/2024 09:18:01
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2202656
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Trump is world president there.

Even if he wins the election, Trump won’t be president of anything for very long.

I said a few months back, watch carefully who Trump gets as his Vice-President nominee.

The Republican party (the people who really run it, not the loud-mouthed shitbirds you see in the headlines) aren’t going to indulge Trump for very long. He was a useful idiot the first time around, but, now, it’s just too tiresome.

Not too long into the Presidency, we can expect movement on action under the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution, which allows for the removal of a President.

Then, it’ll be President Vance, the compliant and willing President Vance, and Project 2025 can really build up some steam.

He only needs to be president long enough to pardon himself.

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Date: 7/10/2024 09:24:36
From: dv
ID: 2202657
Subject: re: today I learned

The Republic of Indian Stream or the Indian Stream Republic was an unrecognized republic in North America, along the section of the border that divides the current Canadian province of Quebec from the U.S. state of New Hampshire. It existed from July 9, 1832, to August 5, 1835. Described as “Indian Stream Territory, so-called” by the United States census-taker in 1830, the area was named for Indian Stream, a small watercourse. It had an organized elected government and constitution and served about three hundred citizens.

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Date: 7/10/2024 09:34:53
From: Michael V
ID: 2202660
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe Trump is world president there.

Even if he wins the election, Trump won’t be president of anything for very long.

I said a few months back, watch carefully who Trump gets as his Vice-President nominee.

The Republican party (the people who really run it, not the loud-mouthed shitbirds you see in the headlines) aren’t going to indulge Trump for very long. He was a useful idiot the first time around, but, now, it’s just too tiresome.

Not too long into the Presidency, we can expect movement on action under the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution, which allows for the removal of a President.

Then, it’ll be President Vance, the compliant and willing President Vance, and Project 2025 can really build up some steam.

He only needs to be president long enough to pardon himself.

Luckily he can only pardon himself from Federal crimes. Many charges against him were brought under State laws.

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Date: 7/10/2024 10:11:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2202667
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Philipp Lenard

https://www.quora.com/Was-Einstein-a-fake-and-a-plagiarist

“Lenard became convinced of two things: first that there was a distinct type of “Deutsche Physik” that was experimentally based, and was the only “right” way to do science. This was in contrast to the theoretically-led science exemplified by Einstein’s relativity as well as the new quantum theory that was being created at the time. This, he started dismissing as “Jewish Physics”. Second, Lenard started to believe deeply in anti-semitism more generally, and in particular in the pernicious influence of the “Jewish international press” that he believed were unfairly publicising and promoting Einstein’s theories.”

See link for more.

Probably a good job that the Nazis revered such idiots, or they might have had a better chance to develop an atom bomb.

thankfully the “new” fascist state seems equally brilliant in its genius worship

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Date: 8/10/2024 23:30:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203045
Subject: re: today I learned

Just learned that wasabi grows in water and not in the ground like the usual radish.

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Date: 9/10/2024 08:33:04
From: Michael V
ID: 2203061
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Just learned that wasabi grows in water and not in the ground like the usual radish.

Wasabi is not really a radish either. Both are Brassicas, a large family of plants known for the edibles cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, mustard, etc.

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Date: 9/10/2024 08:40:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203063
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Just learned that wasabi grows in water and not in the ground like the usual radish.

Wasabi is not really a radish either. Both are Brassicas, a large family of plants known for the edibles cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, mustard, etc.

All known for their quite strong flavours. Some stronger than others.

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Date: 9/10/2024 08:42:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203064
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

Just learned that wasabi grows in water and not in the ground like the usual radish.

Wasabi is not really a radish either. Both are Brassicas, a large family of plants known for the edibles cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, mustard, etc.

as i found out. never seen it growing before always as a green paste. plus it was always referred to as a “radish”.

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Date: 9/10/2024 08:47:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203066
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Just learned that wasabi grows in water and not in the ground like the usual radish.

Wasabi is not really a radish either. Both are Brassicas, a large family of plants known for the edibles cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, mustard, etc.

as i found out. never seen it growing before always as a green paste. plus it was always referred to as a “radish”.

Well it is hot like a radish. ;)

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Date: 9/10/2024 17:57:21
From: dv
ID: 2203180
Subject: re: today I learned

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:09:44
From: Cymek
ID: 2203182
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Properly used ?

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:11:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203183
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


dv said:

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Properly used ?

and as a matter of interest, how many films contain the word?

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:20:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203188
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Did they say what was the highest grossing film to use Lagrangian?

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:23:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203189
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Did they say what was the highest grossing film to use Lagrangian?

Apparently not?

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:24:01
From: dv
ID: 2203190
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Did they say what was the highest grossing film to use Lagrangian?

Fuck

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:27:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203196
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Did they say what was the highest grossing film to use Lagrangian?

Fuck

Never heard of it!

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Date: 9/10/2024 18:28:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203198
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Twisters is the highest grossing film ever to include the word Langrangian in the dialogue.

Did they say what was the highest grossing film to use Lagrangian?

Fuck

Ah well, we know you meant well.

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Date: 9/10/2024 20:09:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203223
Subject: re: today I learned

Oppau explosion

The Oppau explosion occurred on September 21, 1921, when approximately 4,500 tonnes of a mixture of ammonium sulfate and ammonium nitrate fertilizer stored in a tower silo exploded at a BASF plant in Oppau, now part of Ludwigshafen, Germany, killing 500–600 people and injuring about 2,000 more.

…Compared to ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate is strongly hygroscopic, thus the mixture of ammonium sulfate and nitrate compresses under its own weight, turning it into a plaster-like substance in the 20-metre-high (66 ft) silo. The workers needed to use pickaxes to get it out, a problematic situation because they could not enter the silo and risk being buried in collapsing fertilizer. To ease their work, small charges of dynamite were used to loosen the mixture…

…As all involved died in the explosion, the causes are not clear. However, according to modern sources and contrary to the above-mentioned 1919 tests, the “less than 60% nitrate = safe” criterion is inaccurate; in mixtures containing 50% nitrate, any explosion of the mixture is confined to a small volume around the initiating charge, but increasing the proportion of nitrate to 55–60% greatly increases the explosive properties and creates a mixture whose detonation is sufficiently powerful to initiate detonation in a surrounding mixture of a lower nitrate concentration which would normally be considered minimally explosive. Changes in humidity, density, particle size in the mixture and homogeneity of crystal structure also affect the explosive properties.

Two explosions, half a second apart, occurred at 7:32 am on September 21, 1921, at Silo 110 of the plant, forming a crater 90 by 125 m (300 by 410 ft) wide and 19 m (62 ft) deep. In these explosions 10% of the 4,500 t of fertilizer stored in the silo detonated. The explosions were heard as two loud bangs in north-eastern France and in Munich, more than 300 km away, and are estimated to have contained an energy of 1–2 kilotonnes TNT equivalent.

…About 80 percent of all buildings in Oppau were destroyed, leaving 6,500 homeless. The pressure wave caused great damage in Mannheim, located just across the Rhine, ripped roofs off up to 25 km away, and destroyed windows farther away, including all the medieval stained-glass windows of Worms cathedral, 15 km (9.3 mi) to the north. In Heidelberg (30 km (19 mi) from Oppau), traffic was stopped by the mass of broken glass on the streets, a tram was derailed, and some roofs were destroyed.

Full article

Picture of the main crater, from the Illustrated London news, Oct 1st, 1921.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:35:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203356
Subject: re: today I learned

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:37:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203357
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:38:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2203359
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

is robert a she or a he or a xe or a ze or a ‘e or

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:40:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203363
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:42:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203365
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

How could someone publishing a book using the name of a person of a different gender be a coincidence?

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:43:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203368
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

The Cormoran strikes again.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:44:15
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203370
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

How could someone publishing a book using the name of a person of a different gender be a coincidence?

wrong track.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:45:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203372
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

J K Rowling’s pen name is Robert Galbraith.

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

What? do you think she might have got an idea from ‘J.K. Galbraith’?

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:49:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203377
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

That’s the first time I’ve. heard that. So today I learned as well. However, have since decided that I didn’t need to know and now have put it in the out tray.

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

What? do you think she might have got an idea from ‘J.K. Galbraith’?

no. this is because i know of two reasons why the name may have come about.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:50:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203378
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

What? do you think she might have got an idea from ‘J.K. Galbraith’?

no. this is because i know of two reasons why the name may have come about.

Care to enlighten us?

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:51:44
From: dv
ID: 2203381
Subject: re: today I learned

Probably the coincidence being referred to is that Rowling comes from Radulphus, a name mostly associated with Raoul le Breton, while Galbraith is from roots meaning “stranger” and “Briton”.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:53:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203383
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

of course at a cursory glance it may appear trivial but on closer inspection it may be more interesting. Also of course it may only be a coincidence.

What? do you think she might have got an idea from ‘J.K. Galbraith’?

no. this is because i know of two reasons why the name may have come about.

Galbraith is familiar to me though I’ve never read one of her books.

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Date: 10/10/2024 10:55:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203386
Subject: re: today I learned

One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

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Date: 10/10/2024 11:01:36
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203390
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

Robert Galbraith Heath was correct about Cannabis as being a complex drug with persisting effect but I’m not so sure he was correct about alcohol being of temporary effect.

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Date: 10/10/2024 11:02:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203391
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

Thanks.

And then there is the dv hypothesis.

Had my share of learnin for today.

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Date: 10/10/2024 11:03:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203393
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


JudgeMental said:

One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

Robert Galbraith Heath was correct about Cannabis as being a complex drug with persisting effect but I’m not so sure he was correct about alcohol being of temporary effect.

… and best not mention the gay conversion stuff.

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Date: 10/10/2024 11:03:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203394
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

Thanks.

And then there is the dv hypothesis.

Had my share of learnin for today.

Me too. I’m off to get those thingy wingys done that trans keeps mentioning.

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Date: 10/10/2024 11:04:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203395
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

One reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

Link

Other reason

After Robert Galbraith was revealed to be a pseudonym for Rowling, the author claimed the inspiration for the name was a combination for the late Robert F. Kennedy and “Ella Galbraith,” a name she made up for herself in her youth.

Robert Galbraith Heath was correct about Cannabis as being a complex drug with persisting effect but I’m not so sure he was correct about alcohol being of temporary effect.

… and best not mention the gay conversion stuff.

Well, yes.

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Date: 10/10/2024 14:37:29
From: dv
ID: 2203545
Subject: re: today I learned

Cornish game hens are not game birds and, given that both males and females are served under that name, are often not hens.

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Date: 10/10/2024 14:42:51
From: Michael V
ID: 2203546
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Cornish game hens are not game birds and, given that both males and females are served under that name, are often not hens.

But they are good for Hurlian.

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Date: 10/10/2024 17:09:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203563
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Cornish game hens are not game birds and, given that both males and females are served under that name, are often not hens.

I bet that the buggers aren’t even Cornish.

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Date: 10/10/2024 17:17:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2203564
Subject: re: today I learned

Are Cornish game hens just small chickens?
Cornish game hen (also Rock Cornish game hen) is the USDA-approved name for a particular variety of broiler chicken, produced from a cross between the Cornish and White Plymouth Rock chicken breeds, that is served young and immature, weighing no more than two pounds (900 g) ready to cook.
Over.

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Date: 10/10/2024 18:34:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2203583
Subject: re: today I learned

I’m disappointed nobody commented on my “Cornish game” joke.

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Date: 10/10/2024 18:39:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203585
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


I’m disappointed nobody commented on my “Cornish game” joke.

What was it?

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Date: 10/10/2024 18:40:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203586
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Cornish game hens are not game birds and, given that both males and females are served under that name, are often not hens.

But they are good for Hurlian.

Ah, Cornish hurling.

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Date: 10/10/2024 19:57:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203600
Subject: re: today I learned

Atomic car: a secret Soviet project

In 1965, Soviet scientists released a Volga Atom car with an atomic engine with a capacity
of 320 horsepower (a lot for that time) for testing. The motor weighed 500 kilograms, so
there were not 2 wheels in front, but 4. Such a car could not be refueled for a very long time.
Tests have shown that Volga Atom drives 60,000 kilometers without refueling. It turned out
that after that the motor needs to be changed to a new one. But Soviet scientists corrected
this problem, they created an engine with gaseous fuel in the form of uranium hexafluoride
instead of solid uranium, and the new version of the car drove 40,000 kilometers without
refueling. For refueling, it was now enough to pump a new supply of uranium hexafluoride
into the cylinders and the car drove on.

When Khrushchev retired, the machines were dismantled, and research in this area stopped.

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Date: 10/10/2024 19:58:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203602
Subject: re: today I learned

Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:06:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203604
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

One of her tasks, in 1919, was to assess the strength of the Tarrant Tabor giant experimental bomber.

>The Admiralty Air Department was asked to check its structural strength. AAD mathematician Letitia Chitty was given this task. In her own words “Mr. Tarrant was an inspired timber merchant who dreamed of a super-Camel. It hadn’t a chance. It was too big, too heavy – that wasn’t its fault, but Grade A spruce had by now run out and it had to be built of American white wood (tulip wood). In my language 3,500 instead of 5,500 lb/sq in.”. Tragically, her mathematical analysis was not heeded.<

The plane then tipped over and crashed while taking off on its first flight, killing both pilots and injuring the rest of the crew.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:15:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203609
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

I didn’t.

Thanks for the link, I’ll certainly give it a read.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:18:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203610
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

One of her tasks, in 1919, was to assess the strength of the Tarrant Tabor giant experimental bomber.

>The Admiralty Air Department was asked to check its structural strength. AAD mathematician Letitia Chitty was given this task. In her own words “Mr. Tarrant was an inspired timber merchant who dreamed of a super-Camel. It hadn’t a chance. It was too big, too heavy – that wasn’t its fault, but Grade A spruce had by now run out and it had to be built of American white wood (tulip wood). In my language 3,500 instead of 5,500 lb/sq in.”. Tragically, her mathematical analysis was not heeded.<

The plane then tipped over and crashed while taking off on its first flight, killing both pilots and injuring the rest of the crew.

There was more than one silly idea for a bomber back about then

There was the Beardmore Inflexible, which was so heavy that it could barely lumber its own weight into the sky. If any bombs were loaded aboard, it could not leave the ground.

If only all bombers were like that…

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:22:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203612
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

I didn’t.

Thanks for the link, I’ll certainly give it a read.

She received the Telford Medal in 969, which was the year I started my degree at London University!

But not Imperial College, and all the colleges were really separate institutions.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:23:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2203614
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

I didn’t.

Thanks for the link, I’ll certainly give it a read.

She received the Telford Medal in 969, which was the year I started my degree at London University!

But not Imperial College, and all the colleges were really separate institutions.

never realised you are that old.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:24:52
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203615
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I didn’t.

Thanks for the link, I’ll certainly give it a read.

She received the Telford Medal in 969, which was the year I started my degree at London University!

But not Imperial College, and all the colleges were really separate institutions.

never realised you are that old.

Ask him about what he did during the Renaissance.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:31:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203616
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Rev probably knows all about this lady.

Letitia Chitty (15 July 1897 – 29 September 1982) was an English engineer who became a respected structural analytical engineer, achieving several firsts for women engineers, including becoming the first female fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society and the second female recipient of the Telford Medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Chitty

One of her tasks, in 1919, was to assess the strength of the Tarrant Tabor giant experimental bomber.

>The Admiralty Air Department was asked to check its structural strength. AAD mathematician Letitia Chitty was given this task. In her own words “Mr. Tarrant was an inspired timber merchant who dreamed of a super-Camel. It hadn’t a chance. It was too big, too heavy – that wasn’t its fault, but Grade A spruce had by now run out and it had to be built of American white wood (tulip wood). In my language 3,500 instead of 5,500 lb/sq in.”. Tragically, her mathematical analysis was not heeded.<

The plane then tipped over and crashed while taking off on its first flight, killing both pilots and injuring the rest of the crew.

There was more than one silly idea for a bomber back about then

There was the Beardmore Inflexible, which was so heavy that it could barely lumber its own weight into the sky. If any bombs were loaded aboard, it could not leave the ground.

If only all bombers were like that…

The designer of the Tarrant Tabor, Walter H. Barling, went on to design the “Barling Bomber” for the Americans. Not as disastrous as the Tabor (it could at least fly) it was otherwise also a very expensive flop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witteman-Lewis_XNBL-1

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:38:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203619
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

There was more than one silly idea for a bomber back about then

There was the Beardmore Inflexible, which was so heavy that it could barely lumber its own weight into the sky. If any bombs were loaded aboard, it could not leave the ground.

If only all bombers were like that…

The designer of the Tarrant Tabor, Walter H. Barling, went on to design the “Barling Bomber” for the Americans. Not as disastrous as the Tabor (it could at least fly) it was otherwise also a very expensive flop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witteman-Lewis_XNBL-1

Perhaps Walter was an undercover pacifist, working to bring down the military-industrial complex from the inside.

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:56:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2203622
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I didn’t.

Thanks for the link, I’ll certainly give it a read.

She received the Telford Medal in 969, which was the year I started my degree at London University!

But not Imperial College, and all the colleges were really separate institutions.

never realised you are that old.

The ANCIENTS, they knew¡

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Date: 10/10/2024 20:59:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2203624
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

She received the Telford Medal in 969, which was the year I started my degree at London University!

But not Imperial College, and all the colleges were really separate institutions.

never realised you are that old.

Ask him about what he did during the Renaissance.

Don’t start him on the Renaissance.

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Date: 11/10/2024 01:04:00
From: dv
ID: 2203666
Subject: re: today I learned
Fath-Ali Shah Qajar (1769-1834) was the second Shah of Iran, reigning from 1797 to his his death. His reign was dominated by internal struggles for the throne as well as the Russo-Persian Wars which saw vast swathes of Persian territory ceded to the Russian Empire. He was also reported to have over 1,000 wives and 103 children. Styling himself as King of Kings and Khan of Khans, Fath-Ali also styled himself with the unusual title of ‘Most Formidable Lord and Master of the Encyclopædia Britannica’. In 1797, Fath-Ali had read the entirety of the 3rd Edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica – an accomplishment that he decided ought to be immortalised in his royal titles.

I wouldn’t mind reading an 18th century edition of the EB, just to get an idea of the state of knowledge.

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Date: 11/10/2024 08:52:16
From: esselte
ID: 2203683
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL about the brown water ocean effect and agukabams.

Never heard that word before, I don’t think; “Agukabam”.

The brown ocean effect is an observed weather phenomenon involving some tropical cyclones after landfall. Normally, hurricanes and tropical storms lose strength when they make landfall, but when the brown ocean effect is in play, tropical cyclones maintain strength or even intensify over land surfaces. Australia is the most conducive environment for this effect, where such storm systems are called agukabams.

One source of the brown ocean effect has been identified as the large amount of latent heat that can be released from extremely wet soils. A 2013 NASA study found that, from 1979-2008, 45 of 227 tropical storms either gained or maintained strength after making landfall. The press release stated, “The land essentially mimics the moisture-rich environment of the ocean, where the storm originated.” Originally, research devoted to extratropical cyclones, storms that first derive energy from the warm ocean waters and later from the conjecture of various air masses, explained the intensification of storms after landfall. However, as research into these storms persists, Andersen and Shepherd, the two leading scientists behind the NASA study, discovered that some of these storms were not transitioning from warm-core to cold-core but were actually maintaining their warm-core dynamics, while ultimately outputting a greater measure of rainfall.

https://texmex.mit.edu/pub/emanuel/TC_Book/Chapter%208-Climatology.pdf

Even rarer than medicanes are agukabams (a word constructed from the Australian aboriginal
Ayapathu word roots “agu,” meaning land, and “kabam,” meaning storm), also known as
landphoons. These are tropical cyclone-like storms that develop over land in the absence of
appreciable baroclinic forcing (as happens with extratropical transition) and may be powered by
surface enthalpy fluxes made possible when hot sand is wetted by precursor rains, temporarily
increasing the thermal conductivity of the soil to the point that appreciable heat can escape to
the atmosphere (Emanuel et al., 2008). This appears to happen most frequently over the
deserts of northern Australia, where relatively dark soils can absorb much sunlight in summer. It
is possible that some cases of inland intensification elsewhere are also owing to unusually large
heat fluxes from the soil

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:42:30
From: dv
ID: 2203801
Subject: re: today I learned

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:43:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203804
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s not even very fat.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:45:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203805
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s not even very fat.

It’s all muscle?

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:48:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203806
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s not even very fat.

It’s all muscle?

Mostly.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:49:28
From: dv
ID: 2203807
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s not even very fat.

Quite.

His BMI is 43 but body fat percentage less than 22%, which is a good indication of how BMI is not a great indicator of obesity in the tall and muscular.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:51:00
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2203808
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s only 5’ 6”

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:51:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203809
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s not even very fat.

Quite.

His BMI is 43 but body fat percentage less than 22%, which is a good indication of how BMI is not a great indicator of obesity in the tall and muscular.

k

now
I’m fat and I can take a hundred off his score.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:52:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203810
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s only 5’ 6”

and I’m taller than him.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:53:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203811
Subject: re: today I learned

and Ethel Kennedy passed, aged 96.

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Date: 11/10/2024 12:58:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2203812
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s only 5’ 6”

and I’m taller than him.

You know PWM was joking, right?

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Date: 11/10/2024 13:10:28
From: dv
ID: 2203814
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Australian Daniel Faalele is the heaviest player in the NFL, at 174 kg.

And he’s only 5’ 6”

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Date: 11/10/2024 13:13:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2203815
Subject: re: today I learned

Lots of women are flocking to youtube to do yoga exercises, some have a disclaimer that it has nothing at all to do with sexual gratitude.

Ok.

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Date: 11/10/2024 13:14:11
From: dv
ID: 2203816
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


and Ethel Kennedy passed, aged 96.

Lived long enough to see her son trash the family legacy

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Date: 11/10/2024 13:47:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2203827
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


Lots of women are flocking to youtube to do yoga exercises, some have a disclaimer that it has nothing at all to do with sexual gratitude.

Ok.

‘sexual…gratitude’?

I mean, i can think of times when expressions of pleasure were exchanged, but i’ve never gone so fas as to send someone a thank-you card.

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Date: 11/10/2024 14:28:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2203869
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Lots of women are flocking to youtube to do yoga exercises, some have a disclaimer that it has nothing at all to do with sexual gratitude.

Ok.

‘sexual…gratitude’?

I mean, i can think of times when expressions of pleasure were exchanged, but i’ve never gone so fas as to send someone a thank-you card.

it’s just a medium of exchange, another way of paying off debts

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Date: 11/10/2024 15:47:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203908
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

And he’s only 5’ 6”

and I’m taller than him.

You know PWM was joking, right?

Now I do yeah.

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Date: 11/10/2024 15:49:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203909
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

and Ethel Kennedy passed, aged 96.

Lived long enough to see her son trash the family legacy

Indeed. Who knows the horrors she may have observed?

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:18:49
From: dv
ID: 2203953
Subject: re: today I learned

I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:32:53
From: Michael V
ID: 2203954
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

I guess this company’s name wasn’t translated into English because blackhead has unclean connotations.

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:35:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203955
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

There you are then.

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:39:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2203956
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

I guess this company’s name wasn’t translated into English because blackhead has unclean connotations.


Whereas Schwarzenegger means “person from Schwarzenegg”, which is both a village in Switzerland and a place in Land Salzburg in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzenegger_(surname)

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:47:15
From: furious
ID: 2203958
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

I guess this company’s name wasn’t translated into English because blackhead has unclean connotations.


Whereas Schwarzenegger means “person from Schwarzenegg”, which is both a village in Switzerland and a place in Land Salzburg in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzenegger_(surname)

What of Schwarzenegg? Black enegg?

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:47:26
From: dv
ID: 2203959
Subject: re: today I learned

And Schwarzenegg would translate to Blackridge, about halfway between Edinburgh and Glasgow. The “egg” there means ridge and is ultimately related to the English word edge.

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Date: 11/10/2024 17:50:21
From: Cymek
ID: 2203960
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I kind of knew that penn was a Brittonic word for head, as in Pendragon = head dragon, Penzance = head saint etc.

Also kind of knew that Guin meant white, as in Guinevere = white spirit.

But I now learn that Penguin is from Welsh meaning “white head”. (The term was originally applied to auks.)

I guess this company’s name wasn’t translated into English because blackhead has unclean connotations.


Whereas Schwarzenegger means “person from Schwarzenegg”, which is both a village in Switzerland and a place in Land Salzburg in Austria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzenegger_(surname)

Interesting, I’ll be back

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:01:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2203961
Subject: re: today I learned

My Bavarian ancestor was apparently a knob of garlic.

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:18:28
From: dv
ID: 2203964
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


My Bavarian ancestor was apparently a knob of garlic.

Good

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:33:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2203965
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


My Bavarian ancestor was apparently a knob.

There you go then.

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:36:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203966
Subject: re: today I learned

Celebrities You Didn’t Know Had Famous (And Infamous) Parents
Jimmy Morrison’s (Doors) father was an admiral at pearl harbour.

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:39:06
From: Ian
ID: 2203968
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Celebrities You Didn’t Know Had Famous (And Infamous) Parents
Jimmy Morrison’s (Doors) father was an admiral at pearl harbour.

Yep. Not impressed with Jim’s career choice.

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Date: 11/10/2024 18:47:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2203970
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


sarahs mum said:

Celebrities You Didn’t Know Had Famous (And Infamous) Parents
Jimmy Morrison’s (Doors) father was an admiral at pearl harbour.

Yep. Not impressed with Jim’s career choice.

I could imagine. Dad was a captain, and his sons made him very upset. From brother John’s drunken shooting out of street lights in Turramurra to brother Andrew not passing the ball.

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:18:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2204144
Subject: re: today I learned

Bit of a slow day here so decided a cruise around the multiverse may be in order. Came across some science in an alternative universe.

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

Link

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:22:03
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2204145
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Bit of a slow day here so decided a cruise around the multiverse may be in order. Came across some science in an alternative universe.

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

Link

Polymaths like Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, they knew.

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:28:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2204147
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

Bit of a slow day here so decided a cruise around the multiverse may be in order. Came across some science in an alternative universe.

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

Link

Polymaths like Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, they knew.

He was an interesting chap and no mistake.

Here’s what the other wikiplace says about him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham#Legacy

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:33:19
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2204149
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

Bit of a slow day here so decided a cruise around the multiverse may be in order. Came across some science in an alternative universe.

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

Link

Polymaths like Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, they knew.

He was an interesting chap and no mistake.

Here’s what the other wikiplace says about him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham#Legacy

Despite the evidence you still get nutter round earthers even in academia.

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:38:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2204151
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Polymaths like Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, they knew.

He was an interesting chap and no mistake.

Here’s what the other wikiplace says about him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham#Legacy

Despite the evidence you still get nutter round earthers even in academia.

True.

Probably unduly influenced by the fact that the Ancients accepted a Round Earth model.

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:51:01
From: dv
ID: 2204156
Subject: re: today I learned

Thinking about Threads (1984) ultimately led me to this series of videos by a dude building a wheelchair accessible bunker in his backyard. His wife is a wheelchair user.
Seems pretty high spec.

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:51:17
From: dv
ID: 2204157
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Thinking about Threads (1984) ultimately led me to this series of videos by a dude building a wheelchair accessible bunker in his backyard. His wife is a wheelchair user.
Seems pretty high spec.

Aaaand here’s the link

https://youtu.be/ujoAWANEUsw?si=DfNYyHm01o6lJqra

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Date: 12/10/2024 13:58:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204161
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

Bit of a slow day here so decided a cruise around the multiverse may be in order. Came across some science in an alternative universe.

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Flat_Earth_Wiki

Link

lies we aren’t there at all

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Date: 12/10/2024 14:01:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204162
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

dv said:

Thinking about Threads (1984) ultimately led me to this series of videos by a dude building a wheelchair accessible bunker in his backyard. His wife is a wheelchair user.
Seems pretty high spec.

Aaaand here’s the link

https://youtu.be/×××××××××××?si=××××××××××××××××

does it have a x or X or × there

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:25:53
From: dv
ID: 2204612
Subject: re: today I learned

I’ve only just found out about the interesting dialects of certain islands along the USA’s Atlantic coast. These include Smith Island Maryland, Tangier Island Virginia, the Outer Banks of North Carolina. 
I’m not sure whether there is a bucket term for all these dialects, as they are not identical, but they all seem like Southern accents with certain lexical and phonological traits borrowed, or preserved, from Devon or Cornwall. 

Ocracoke brogue
https://youtu.be/x7MvtQp2-UA?si=V8hrEHDMw4zyIhPX

Tangier Virginia
https://youtu.be/AIZgw09CG9E?si=7vCUuPeXTMPq6QPh

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:27:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2204613
Subject: re: today I learned

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:33:48
From: Michael V
ID: 2204615
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:36:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2204617
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I’ve only just found out about the interesting dialects of certain islands along the USA’s Atlantic coast. These include Smith Island Maryland, Tangier Island Virginia, the Outer Banks of North Carolina. 
I’m not sure whether there is a bucket term for all these dialects, as they are not identical, but they all seem like Southern accents with certain lexical and phonological traits borrowed, or preserved, from Devon or Cornwall. 

Ocracoke brogue
https://youtu.be/x7MvtQp2-UA?si=V8hrEHDMw4zyIhPX

Tangier Virginia
https://youtu.be/AIZgw09CG9E?si=7vCUuPeXTMPq6QPh

Some surprising hints of the Olde Country there.

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:36:40
From: Tamb
ID: 2204618
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.


And a bit more knowledge: The term starboard derives from the Old English steorbord, meaning the side on which the ship is steered. Before ships had rudders on their centrelines, they were steered with a steering oar at the stern of the ship on the right hand side of the ship.

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:51:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2204624
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.


And a bit more knowledge: The term starboard derives from the Old English steorbord, meaning the side on which the ship is steered. Before ships had rudders on their centrelines, they were steered with a steering oar at the stern of the ship on the right hand side of the ship.

As depicted in the Bayeux Tapestry.

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Date: 14/10/2024 12:52:58
From: Tamb
ID: 2204626
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Huh.


And a bit more knowledge: The term starboard derives from the Old English steorbord, meaning the side on which the ship is steered. Before ships had rudders on their centrelines, they were steered with a steering oar at the stern of the ship on the right hand side of the ship.

As depicted in the Bayeux Tapestry.


A veritable steerboard.

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Date: 14/10/2024 13:29:37
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2204630
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

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Date: 14/10/2024 13:35:45
From: Cymek
ID: 2204632
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

The taste ?

Not sure if they are used to that drip filter coffee that can sit all day as opposed to fresh coffee made with professional machines.

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Date: 14/10/2024 13:38:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2204634
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

I have no idea. I learnt my lesson the first time around. I will not give them a second chance.

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Date: 14/10/2024 13:47:53
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2204636
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

I have no idea. I learnt my lesson the first time around. I will not give them a second chance.

I just listened to others and have never bought any.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:15:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204644
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

or they were both the board over ‘lar.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:17:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204645
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

The opposite of starboard used to be larboard.

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

By having a shop on every corner in the States.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:19:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204648
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Huh.

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

I have no idea. I learnt my lesson the first time around. I will not give them a second chance.

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:22:04
From: dv
ID: 2204649
Subject: re: today I learned

I live in one of the parts of the developed world with no Starbucks

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:23:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204652
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I live in one of the parts of the developed world with no Starbucks

Same. Wouldn’t make me buy it anyway. We have some very good Italian Baristas here.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:32:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2204656
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

And the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ used to be ‘Larbucks’.

(Actually, the opposite of ‘Starbucks’ is ‘coffee’. One opened in Toowoomba recently. I bought some of their product, as it’s been a long time since the last time i did so. I can confidently predict another long interval before i do so again. How are they able to get away with that shit?)

I have no idea. I learnt my lesson the first time around. I will not give them a second chance.

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

Now that you mention Budweiser…

…some time ago (12-18 months), we were visiting rellos on the Gold Coast, and i bought a case of beer to take to a BBQ. There was a special on some brand i hadn’t heard of before (i cannot rmember the name of it), and an adventurous impulse led me to buy some of it.

It was awful. Utterly, totally, completely tasteless. It may have been alcoholic, although there was no discernible indicators of it.

It became a joke. I would give someone a can, and ask their opinion. Comments were many and varied, but one i remember was the young man who tasted it, looked puzzled, and tasted it again. Then, with a surprised look, he said ‘it’s Budweiser!’.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:38:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204657
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I have no idea. I learnt my lesson the first time around. I will not give them a second chance.

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

Now that you mention Budweiser…

…some time ago (12-18 months), we were visiting rellos on the Gold Coast, and i bought a case of beer to take to a BBQ. There was a special on some brand i hadn’t heard of before (i cannot rmember the name of it), and an adventurous impulse led me to buy some of it.

It was awful. Utterly, totally, completely tasteless. It may have been alcoholic, although there was no discernible indicators of it.

It became a joke. I would give someone a can, and ask their opinion. Comments were many and varied, but one i remember was the young man who tasted it, looked puzzled, and tasted it again. Then, with a surprised look, he said ‘it’s Budweiser!’.

I haven’t tried Millers but it give me the impression from reading the label that it is likely much the same fare.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:41:50
From: Cymek
ID: 2204658
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

Now that you mention Budweiser…

…some time ago (12-18 months), we were visiting rellos on the Gold Coast, and i bought a case of beer to take to a BBQ. There was a special on some brand i hadn’t heard of before (i cannot rmember the name of it), and an adventurous impulse led me to buy some of it.

It was awful. Utterly, totally, completely tasteless. It may have been alcoholic, although there was no discernible indicators of it.

It became a joke. I would give someone a can, and ask their opinion. Comments were many and varied, but one i remember was the young man who tasted it, looked puzzled, and tasted it again. Then, with a surprised look, he said ‘it’s Budweiser!’.

I haven’t tried Millers but it give me the impression from reading the label that it is likely much the same fare.

I suppose they are so used to eating foods and drink made in the USA they think its all fantastic without anything decent to compare it to.

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Date: 14/10/2024 14:47:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204661
Subject: re: today I learned

Just a little West Coast and a bit of sunshine
Hair blowing in the wind, losing track of time

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Date: 14/10/2024 18:02:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2204772
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

Now that you mention Budweiser…

…some time ago (12-18 months), we were visiting rellos on the Gold Coast, and i bought a case of beer to take to a BBQ. There was a special on some brand i hadn’t heard of before (i cannot rmember the name of it), and an adventurous impulse led me to buy some of it.

It was awful. Utterly, totally, completely tasteless. It may have been alcoholic, although there was no discernible indicators of it.

It became a joke. I would give someone a can, and ask their opinion. Comments were many and varied, but one i remember was the young man who tasted it, looked puzzled, and tasted it again. Then, with a surprised look, he said ‘it’s Budweiser!’.

I haven’t tried Millers but it give me the impression from reading the label that it is likely much the same fare.

I usually only buy european beers. sometimes a bintang for a change.

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Date: 14/10/2024 18:55:04
From: dv
ID: 2204791
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

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Date: 14/10/2024 18:58:52
From: Michael V
ID: 2204793
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

shite

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Date: 14/10/2024 19:07:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204796
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

no co,,ent

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Date: 14/10/2024 19:14:12
From: dv
ID: 2204800
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

shite

So a typo of a misspelling.

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Date: 14/10/2024 20:17:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204807
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

shite

So a typo of a misspelling.

well yous know, the languages, they evolve

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Date: 15/10/2024 06:55:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204864
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

SHYTE.

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Date: 15/10/2024 06:56:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204865
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve heard A,ericans talking about the ahyte. Their opinion mattered in thiis instance. Like their Budweiser. I’ll not be drinking either.

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

no co,,ent

:)

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Date: 15/10/2024 06:57:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204866
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

It’s plain enough that ahyte is a typo but I can’t work out what it represents.

shite

So a typo of a misspelling.

I always spell shyte with a y.

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Date: 15/10/2024 07:08:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204867
Subject: re: today I learned

and there I go again reading all last night stuff and talk to myself.

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Date: 15/10/2024 08:15:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2204871
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

shite

So a typo of a misspelling.

I always spell shyte with a y.

it’s sh癌te

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Date: 15/10/2024 08:20:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 2204874
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

So a typo of a misspelling.

I always spell shyte with a y.

it’s sh癌te

That stuff spreads like it hit a fan.

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Date: 15/10/2024 09:54:50
From: dv
ID: 2204903
Subject: re: today I learned

Fuck what you heard

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Date: 15/10/2024 10:03:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2204905
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Fuck what you heard

And what of all the other mantids that also have only one ear?

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Date: 15/10/2024 22:52:42
From: dv
ID: 2205205
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 16/10/2024 08:31:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2205261
Subject: re: today I learned

of the Locus coeruleus

The TATE article says in the intro:
“The locus coeruleus (/sɪˈruːliəs/) (LC), …, is a nucleus in the pons of the brainstem involved with physiological responses to stress and panic.”

But the NS article suggests it is far more influential that that, acting as a sort of gearbox that controls our waking life.

To be fair to TATE, the actual article does include many influences other than stress and panic.

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Date: 18/10/2024 10:26:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2205912
Subject: re: today I learned

After donating his body to science, this man’s triple penis (triphallia) was only discovered during
post-mortem examination.

Along with the obvious external penis, the man had an additional two internal penile shafts.
It’s an ultra-rare case, with only one other documented instance of triphallia – but it may be more
common than we know.

The additional penises were completely concealed, meaning that other people may be
anatomically similar while staying completely undocumented.

https://sciencealert.com/ultra-rare-case-of-man-with-three-penises-unlike-anything-on-record

Link

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:29:33
From: dv
ID: 2206145
Subject: re: today I learned

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:32:49
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206147
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:35:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2206150
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

So, what’s the northernmost one?

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:38:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206154
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:41:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2206156
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:44:38
From: Michael V
ID: 2206160
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

AI – great.

They are foisting it upon us even though it doesn’t work properly.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:44:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2206161
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

The bigbot is telling porkies.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:50:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206165
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

LOL, not a lot of competition.

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

The bigbot is telling porkies.

Aria, Opera AI

Hi there! I can help you with that. Based on the information I have, there are no major world cities directly south of Melbourne. Melbourne is the southernmost major city in Australia.

world cities south of Melbourne

I can’t answer that question. The information I have access to only lists cities and suburbs within Australia.

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Date: 18/10/2024 16:59:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2206171
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

The bigbot is telling porkies.

Aria, Opera AI

Hi there! I can help you with that. Based on the information I have, there are no major world cities directly south of Melbourne. Melbourne is the southernmost major city in Australia.

world cities south of Melbourne

I can’t answer that question. The information I have access to only lists cities and suburbs within Australia.

Hobart either not major enough, or not directly south enough?

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:06:40
From: dv
ID: 2206173
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

Come on man let them have this

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:09:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206174
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

LOL, not a lot of competition.

Come on man let them have this

oh all right then.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:13:47
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206175
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKpoaP2wZx0

Link

My first look in the Metro Tunnel // Anzac Station!

Taitset

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:22:20
From: dv
ID: 2206176
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:29:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2206177
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

The limits of the world of underground rail.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:32:12
From: dv
ID: 2206178
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

I see the Bingbot is as good as ever. But yeah it is slim pickings. I think the only settlements with more than 20000 more S than Melbourne would be

Wellington, Hobart, Christchurch and Mar del Plata.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:32:48
From: Cymek
ID: 2206179
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

The limits of the world of underground rail.

A series of video games are set in the Russian underground railway after WWIII takes place and they are a safe refuge.
Metro it is called

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:39:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2206180
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

I see the Bingbot is as good as ever. But yeah it is slim pickings. I think the only settlements with more than 20000 more S than Melbourne would be

Wellington, Hobart, Christchurch and Mar del Plata.

I don’t think Casey Base has underground rail system.
I’ll check, just talk among yourselves.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:50:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206182
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:
.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

I see the Bingbot is as good as ever. But yeah it is slim pickings. I think the only settlements with more than 20000 more S than Melbourne would be

Wellington, Hobart, Christchurch and Mar del Plata.

Didn’t check, but I’d assumed S. America would have more than that.

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:53:15
From: Kingy
ID: 2206183
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

The new Anzac station in Melbourne will be the southernmost underground rail station in the world.

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

How much is a train ticket from Melbourne to Bergen?

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Date: 18/10/2024 17:56:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206184
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

I see the Bingbot is as good as ever. But yeah it is slim pickings. I think the only settlements with more than 20000 more S than Melbourne would be

Wellington, Hobart, Christchurch and Mar del Plata.

Didn’t check, but I’d assumed S. America would have more than that.

Good list of cities with latitude and population at:

https://simplemaps.com/data/cl-cities

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:00:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206185
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

How much is a train ticket from Melbourne to Bergen?

It cost a fortune, and it gets a bit hot on the way, but the good thing is it only takes 38 minutes.

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:00:55
From: dv
ID: 2206186
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:
.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

I see the Bingbot is as good as ever. But yeah it is slim pickings. I think the only settlements with more than 20000 more S than Melbourne would be

Wellington, Hobart, Christchurch and Mar del Plata.

Didn’t check, but I’d assumed S. America would have more than that.

No big cities south of Melbourne, though.

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:09:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206187
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kingy said:

dv said:

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

How much is a train ticket from Melbourne to Bergen?

It cost a fortune, and it gets a bit hot on the way, but the good thing is it only takes 38 minutes.

And while we are talking about falling through the centre of the Earth, I found this:

Student Discovers How Long It Really Takes to Fall through the Earth

which is from 2015.

But apparently no-one noticed when a certain blog posted much the same thing, back in 2010:

The hole through the middle of the Earth – revised transit time

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:12:28
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206189
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

So, what’s the northernmost one?

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

How much is a train ticket from Melbourne to Bergen?

tree fiddy. one way.

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:14:49
From: dv
ID: 2206191
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Kingy said:

dv said:

A bit of searching suggests that this would be the Haukeland University Hospital station in Bergen. The light rail system is mostly overground but line 2 has a section in a tunnel including this station. It is about 60.37 degrees N.

How much is a train ticket from Melbourne to Bergen?

tree fiddy. one way.

In the clrrb, we all fam

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Date: 18/10/2024 18:25:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2206193
Subject: re: today I learned

October 18th
World Okapi Day (October 18th) has quickly grown to be a large celebration around the Reserve, and we continue to focus on educating local communities on the okapi’s values and importance while urging them to fight against various threats against the animal and its habitat.

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Date: 19/10/2024 08:18:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2206318
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

LOL, not a lot of competition.

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

AI – great.

They are foisting it upon us even though it doesn’t work properly.

Soon it will be the source of truth, the only source of truth¡

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Date: 19/10/2024 08:22:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2206319
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

AI – great.

They are foisting it upon us even though it doesn’t work properly.

Soon it will be the source of truth, the only source of truth¡

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Date: 19/10/2024 08:28:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2206321
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I asked the Bingbot for World cities South of Melbourne. Here’s what it came up with:

You
world cities south of melbourne
Copilot
There aren’t many major world cities directly south of Melbourne, but here are a few notable ones:

Geelong – About 75 kilometers (47 miles) southwest of Melbourne, it’s the closest city and a popular spot for day trips.

Adelaide – Approximately 700 kilometers (435 miles) west of Melbourne, in South Australia.

Canberra – Around 660 kilometers (410 miles) southwest of Melbourne, the capital city of Australia.

AI – great.

They are foisting it upon us even though it doesn’t work properly.

Soon it will be the source of truth, the only source of truth¡

And it will be worshiped as such and those who sin against it will be outcast in society.
Verily I say unto you AI is the way, the light and the path.

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Date: 19/10/2024 19:49:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2206530
Subject: re: today I learned

those holes in your bag of coffee beans

The slits are part of a one-way valve, carbon dioxide comes out of the bag, and no oxygen or moisture gets in. After roasting, coffee beans slowly release CO2, carbon dioxide, for several days. It’s called de-gassing, and it goes on even after the beans have been packaged.

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Date: 20/10/2024 12:30:09
From: dv
ID: 2206728
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned that the Burke and Wills expedition brought oak furniture on the expedition. They also brought a quarter of a ton of rum to give to the camels in the mistaken belief that it would prevent scurvy, even though it was known for a hundred years by that stage that citrus was the best prevention.
They also brought no competent or informed ability to catch or collect food along the way for this 6000 km roundtrip. They brought dried meat in wagons but the wagons broke down or had to be abandoned due to terrain and they transferred what they could to camels.
The only reason they made it even a quarter of the way was because of the generosity of aboriginal groups they encountered who prepared and handed food to them.

The decision to select Burke to lead this expedition is baffling to me. He had no bushcraft skills, had never led an inland crew. By this stage Australia had some experienced and successful inland explorers. This was the most ambitious inland expedition ever undertaken by the Europeans in Australia. Why select some random cop?

I had previously considered that he was just unprepared for the extreme difficulties but instead he appears to have been stubborn beyond reason when wiser heads advised him, a total moron, and a deadset arsehole, a Trumpian figure who shouldn’t have been allowed near this level of responsibility.

Over the next few days, the party encountered several Yandruwandha communities who gave them a variety of cooked foods, including fish, nardoo, native rats and padlu. They were also given gunyahs to sleep in and the stimulant pituri to chew. Some Yandruwandha even stayed attentive to their fire at night so the explorers wouldn’t get cold. However, by 10 May these Yandruwandha moved elsewhere, forcing the three men to fend for themselves. They were unable to locate other Aboriginal camps and had to make do for the next two weeks camping next to a nardoo patch, preparing this food themselves.

At the end of May 1861, Burke ordered Wills to return to the “Dig Tree” to deposit some items for safekeeping. During this trip, Wills met with two more Yandruwandha clans who offered their hospitality to him. For about a week, Wills lived with them, sharing a gunyah with a man named Poko Tinnamira and learning some of their language. He became friends with another man called Pitchery, and was supplied with ample water and food. They even de-boned the fish for him before he ate it. By 5 June, Wills left this group to reunite with Burke and King.

While Wills was away, Burke and King had also been well cared for by another group of Yandruwandha. However, when one of them took Burke’s oilcloth after giving him some fish, Burke ran after him and shot over his head. King had also lined some Yandruwandha up outside the gunyah they were staying in and fired over their heads after he felt threatened by their approach. Burke then went up to another group who had arrived with nets full of fish. He knocked the nets out of their hands and ordered King to fire over them. They ran away and Burke collected the fish left behind. While cooking this fish, Burke accidentally set fire to the gunyah they were in, destroying most of their remaining belongings except for Burke’s pistol and another firearm.

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Date: 20/10/2024 21:42:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2206947
Subject: re: today I learned

The Secrets of the Witham Shield | HENI Talks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLB2K14vNoA

Link

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Date: 21/10/2024 07:18:24
From: dv
ID: 2206984
Subject: re: today I learned

Delroy Lindo is British.
I would absolutely never have guessed this.

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Date: 21/10/2024 07:39:39
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206989
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Delroy Lindo is British.
I would absolutely never have guessed this.

NHOH.

But TATE tells me he could have been a neighbour. I lived in Eltham until I was 6.

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:14:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206993
Subject: re: today I learned

of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:25:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2206998
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

Desmos docs

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:44:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2207009
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

so it’s slim Wolfram Alpha then cool

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:46:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2207010
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

so it’s slim Wolfram Alpha then cool

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:47:53
From: dv
ID: 2207011
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

so it’s slim Wolfram Alpha then cool

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

It’s the Delroy Lindo of Polenta

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Date: 21/10/2024 08:53:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2207014
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Desmos:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator

It’s a graphing calculator, which seems to be pretty nifty.

You can embed animated graphs in other apps, but I haven’t worked out how to do that yet.

so it’s slim Wolfram Alpha then cool

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

It’s the Delroy Lindo of Polenta

we suppose indeed of Wolfram-Alpha they could have just called it hafnium-176 for its stable release

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:05:07
From: dv
ID: 2207016
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

It’s the Delroy Lindo of Polenta

we suppose indeed of Wolfram-Alpha they could have just called it hafnium-176 for its stable release

most amusing

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:25:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207018
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

so it’s slim Wolfram Alpha then cool

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

It’s the Delroy Lindo of Polenta

NFI what you guys are talking about but knock yourselves out.

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:50:54
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2207020
Subject: re: today I learned

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:51:48
From: Tamb
ID: 2207022
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I guess so.

I have to admit to never having got into Wolfram Alpha.

It’s the Delroy Lindo of Polenta

NFI what you guys are talking about but knock yourselves out.


I also have NFI but we do have a tungsten/wolfram mine about 150 km north of us.

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:56:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2207025
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

Wrong thread. Apologies.

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Date: 21/10/2024 09:59:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207028
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:00:37
From: dv
ID: 2207030
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:04:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207031
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.

He could be if he was born again.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:05:36
From: Tamb
ID: 2207032
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.


All this US election talk but no mention of the upcoming Qld state election.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:07:03
From: dv
ID: 2207033
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.

He could be if he was born again.

well he is a renaissance man

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:07:25
From: dv
ID: 2207034
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.


All this US election talk but no mention of the upcoming Qld state election.

I’ve been talking about it, funnily enough in the Aust pol thread.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:09:04
From: Tamb
ID: 2207035
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

This would require a constitutional amendment, as he is not US-born.


All this US election talk but no mention of the upcoming Qld state election.

I’ve been talking about it, funnily enough in the Aust pol thread.


I haven’t seen the Aust pol thread. Didn’t know there was one.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:10:36
From: dv
ID: 2207036
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

All this US election talk but no mention of the upcoming Qld state election.

I’ve been talking about it, funnily enough in the Aust pol thread.


I haven’t seen the Aust pol thread. Didn’t know there was one.

Click on DV’s Index above, and in the Politics section there is one link called Australia.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:12:00
From: Tamb
ID: 2207037
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

I’ve been talking about it, funnily enough in the Aust pol thread.


I haven’t seen the Aust pol thread. Didn’t know there was one.

Click on DV’s Index above, and in the Politics section there is one link called Australia.

Thanks.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:18:42
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2207042
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

I’ve been talking about it, funnily enough in the Aust pol thread.


I haven’t seen the Aust pol thread. Didn’t know there was one.

Click on DV’s Index above, and in the Politics section there is one link called Australia.

it’s like being on FB in here sometimes.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:19:23
From: dv
ID: 2207044
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

Tamb said:

I haven’t seen the Aust pol thread. Didn’t know there was one.

Click on DV’s Index above, and in the Politics section there is one link called Australia.

it’s like being on FB in here sometimes.

In a good way?

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:20:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2207045
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Click on DV’s Index above, and in the Politics section there is one link called Australia.

it’s like being on FB in here sometimes.

In a good way?

unfortunately no.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:22:36
From: dv
ID: 2207047
Subject: re: today I learned

I mean … there are also Aust pol posts in the second page of ViewByTime. It’s not like a hunt for thylacine droppings.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:23:38
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207048
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I mean … there are also Aust pol posts in the second page of ViewByTime. It’s not like a hunt for thylacine droppings.

LOL

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:23:51
From: Tamb
ID: 2207049
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I mean … there are also Aust pol posts in the second page of ViewByTime. It’s not like a hunt for thylacine droppings.

Yes. I sit corrected.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:29:58
From: Michael V
ID: 2207053
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I mean … there are also Aust pol posts in the second page of ViewByTime. It’s not like a hunt for thylacine droppings.

I don’t have any of those. But I do have some Diprotodon teeth – larger and smaller, so likely from a male and a female.

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Date: 21/10/2024 10:32:10
From: Tamb
ID: 2207054
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I mean … there are also Aust pol posts in the second page of ViewByTime. It’s not like a hunt for thylacine droppings.

I don’t have any of those. But I do have some Diprotodon teeth – larger and smaller, so likely from a male and a female.


I wonder if Diprotodon poop is cubic.

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Date: 21/10/2024 12:02:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2207092
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

That would require some considerable effort, and chicanery, on the part of the Republicans.

Recall the fuss that they made over Obama’s birth certificate. They strove to ‘prove’ that he was not an American (because, they claimed, he hadn’t been born in the US), allthe time ignoring the fact that, as his mother was a US citizen, then so is he, by birth, regardless of where he’s born.

As Musk was born in South Africa, of a South African father and a Canadian mother, he is not and cannot be considered a ‘natural born citzen’ of the US (Art. 2 Sect. 1, US Constitution) and cannot become President. Although Musk and his mother are both naturalised American citizens, the consenus of opinion. based on case law, is that there is no way that Musk could be President, unless the US Constitition is altered.

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Date: 21/10/2024 12:08:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207094
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

The good news is that, should the US electoral system survive another Republican Presidency/government, Trump will undoubtedly be dead, or incarcerated, or so totally and unconcealably decrepit and demented by the time the next election comes around that he just won’t get a mention.

The Republicans will, even if he wins, find a way to ditch him at the earliest possible opportunity.

This means that, whoever the Democrats find for a candidate, the election may be something less bizarre than the Krazy Klown show we’ve seen in this one, and the previous two. It might be something with a passing resemblance to a ‘proper’ election.

Provided that the Republicans have not re-engineered the electoral system to ensure that they never lose again.

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

That would require some considerable effort, and chicanery, on the part of the Republicans.

Recall the fuss that they made over Obama’s birth certificate. They strove to ‘prove’ that he was not an American (because, they claimed, he hadn’t been born in the US), allthe time ignoring the fact that, as his mother was a US citizen, then so is he, by birth, regardless of where he’s born.

As Musk was born in South Africa, of a South African father and a Canadian mother, he is not and cannot be considered a ‘natural born citzen’ of the US (Art. 2 Sect. 1, US Constitution) and cannot become President. Although Musk and his mother are both naturalised American citizens, the consenus of opinion. based on case law, is that there is no way that Musk could be President, unless the US Constitition is altered.

He can do anything, he even flew his car into the sun.

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Date: 21/10/2024 12:28:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2207096
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You thinking after this upcoming term is over we might…………………..we might get President Elon.

That would require some considerable effort, and chicanery, on the part of the Republicans.

Recall the fuss that they made over Obama’s birth certificate. They strove to ‘prove’ that he was not an American (because, they claimed, he hadn’t been born in the US), allthe time ignoring the fact that, as his mother was a US citizen, then so is he, by birth, regardless of where he’s born.

As Musk was born in South Africa, of a South African father and a Canadian mother, he is not and cannot be considered a ‘natural born citzen’ of the US (Art. 2 Sect. 1, US Constitution) and cannot become President. Although Musk and his mother are both naturalised American citizens, the consenus of opinion. based on case law, is that there is no way that Musk could be President, unless the US Constitition is altered.

He can do anything, he even flew his car into the sun.

yeah, at night, which anyone can do.

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Date: 21/10/2024 12:34:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2207102
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-10-19/monitor-lizard-eradication-micronesia-turtle-island-loosiep/104375496

Link

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Date: 21/10/2024 19:05:21
From: dv
ID: 2207342
Subject: re: today I learned

The last piece of territory acquired by the USA was the North Mariana Islands. It was previously a Spanish, then German, then Japanese territory. In 1947 it was assigned to the UStrusteeship. In 1975 the population voted to become a commonwealth in union with the US.

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Date: 21/10/2024 19:10:38
From: Michael V
ID: 2207348
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The last piece of territory acquired by the USA was the North Mariana Islands. It was previously a Spanish, then German, then Japanese territory. In 1947 it was assigned to the UStrusteeship. In 1975 the population voted to become a commonwealth in union with the US.

They certainly bought a lot of their land.

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Date: 22/10/2024 08:06:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2207454
Subject: re: today I learned

Unicode was used in technical writing back even before the invasion of Australia.

(Linnaeus originally used U+263F ☿ MERCURY, but abandoned it in favour of the multiplication sign.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_name

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Date: 22/10/2024 08:09:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 2207455
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Unicode was used in technical writing back even before the invasion of Australia.

(Linnaeus originally used U+263F ☿ MERCURY, but abandoned it in favour of the multiplication sign.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_name

Although what it has to do with the invasion of Australia, you will have to educate me.

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Date: 22/10/2024 08:13:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2207457
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Unicode was used in technical writing back even before the invasion of Australia.

(Linnaeus originally used U+263F ☿ MERCURY, but abandoned it in favour of the multiplication sign.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_name

Although what it has to do with the invasion of Australia, you will have to educate me.

As the intelligent artist said, it happened before the invasion, that is, the relative time was negative. Carl allegedly died in 1778, so it’s unlikely even if possible that he used that Unicode after that year.

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Date: 22/10/2024 08:20:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2207460
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Unicode was used in technical writing back even before the invasion of Australia.

(Linnaeus originally used U+263F ☿ MERCURY, but abandoned it in favour of the multiplication sign.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_name

Although what it has to do with the invasion of Australia, you will have to educate me.

As the intelligent artist said, it happened before the invasion, that is, the relative time was negative. Carl allegedly died in 1778, so it’s unlikely even if possible that he used that Unicode after that year.

Why speak in tongues then?

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Date: 22/10/2024 11:36:10
From: dv
ID: 2207509
Subject: re: today I learned

The movie It’s A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was filmed after the September 11 attacks.

In one scene, set in a version of 2003 where Kermit was never born, the Twin Towers visible in the background. This was due to the photo background mural being created prior to the attacks. In other scenes the Twin Towers are absent.

Years after the film’s release, this detail gained viral attention, inspiring jokes and a fan theory that the existence of Kermit the Frog somehow indirectly led to 9/11.

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Date: 22/10/2024 11:42:33
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207513
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The movie It’s A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was filmed after the September 11 attacks.

In one scene, set in a version of 2003 where Kermit was never born, the Twin Towers visible in the background. This was due to the photo background mural being created prior to the attacks. In other scenes the Twin Towers are absent.

Years after the film’s release, this detail gained viral attention, inspiring jokes and a fan theory that the existence of Kermit the Frog somehow indirectly led to 9/11.

lights pipe

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Date: 22/10/2024 11:43:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2207515
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The movie It’s A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was filmed after the September 11 attacks.

In one scene, set in a version of 2003 where Kermit was never born, the Twin Towers visible in the background. This was due to the photo background mural being created prior to the attacks. In other scenes the Twin Towers are absent.

Years after the film’s release, this detail gained viral attention, inspiring jokes and a fan theory that the existence of Kermit the Frog somehow indirectly led to 9/11.

Well if a butterfly’s wings can cause hurricanes, I don’t see why Kermit couldn’t cause a terrorist attack.

Through no fault of his own of course.

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Date: 22/10/2024 11:52:05
From: Cymek
ID: 2207517
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The movie It’s A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was filmed after the September 11 attacks.

In one scene, set in a version of 2003 where Kermit was never born, the Twin Towers visible in the background. This was due to the photo background mural being created prior to the attacks. In other scenes the Twin Towers are absent.

Years after the film’s release, this detail gained viral attention, inspiring jokes and a fan theory that the existence of Kermit the Frog somehow indirectly led to 9/11.

Well if a butterfly’s wings can cause hurricanes, I don’t see why Kermit couldn’t cause a terrorist attack.

Through no fault of his own of course.

What if he broke up with Ms Piggy and she lost the plot and became one.

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Date: 22/10/2024 12:00:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2207520
Subject: re: today I learned

How many possible games are there in solitaire?
A: If we calculate how many combinations can be created with the 52 standard cards, we arrive at the dizzyingly huge number of 80 unvigintillion, which is an 8 followed by 67 zeroes. In theory, a computer can win 79 percent of these. Your average single player will win around 50 percent of these games.

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Date: 22/10/2024 12:08:59
From: dv
ID: 2207529
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


How many possible games are there in solitaire?
A: If we calculate how many combinations can be created with the 52 standard cards, we arrive at the dizzyingly huge number of 80 unvigintillion, which is an 8 followed by 67 zeroes. In theory, a computer can win 79 percent of these. Your average single player will win around 50 percent of these games.

How about the married ones?

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Date: 22/10/2024 17:00:18
From: dv
ID: 2207656
Subject: re: today I learned

You don’t know what you’re getting.

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Date: 22/10/2024 21:24:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2207710
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned https://youtu.be/OVWf45FKr38

Well I knew the gist of it already but it’s well done and concise.

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Date: 23/10/2024 08:07:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2207785
Subject: re: today I learned

of the Free Energy Principle, although the article didn’t actually clearly state what the Free Energy Principle is.

It seems that some people think it is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything, and other people think it is a load of bunk.

I’m tending to the latter at the moment, but I suppose I should find out what it is before dismissing it.

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Date: 23/10/2024 08:09:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2207786
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of the Free Energy Principle, although the article didn’t actually clearly state what the Free Energy Principle is.

It seems that some people think it is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything, and other people think it is a load of bunk.

I’m tending to the latter at the moment, but I suppose I should find out what it is before dismissing it.

If We Dress Up Simple Concepts With Lots Of Opaque And Complicated Formalism, Maybe People Will Buy Our Product ¡

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Date: 23/10/2024 08:10:07
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2207788
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of the Free Energy Principle, although the article didn’t actually clearly state what the Free Energy Principle is.

It seems that some people think it is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything, and other people think it is a load of bunk.

I’m tending to the latter at the moment, but I suppose I should find out what it is before dismissing it.

The socialism of physics? Like Free Education and Free Healthcare?

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Date: 23/10/2024 08:13:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2207789
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of the Free Energy Principle, although the article didn’t actually clearly state what the Free Energy Principle is.

It seems that some people think it is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything, and other people think it is a load of bunk.

I’m tending to the latter at the moment, but I suppose I should find out what it is before dismissing it.

If We Dress Up Simple Concepts With Lots Of Opaque And Complicated Formalism, Maybe People Will Buy Our Product ¡

It certainly looks like that.

Just read TATE on TFEP.

It didn’t help.

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Date: 23/10/2024 21:30:45
From: dv
ID: 2207989
Subject: re: today I learned

The Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order (Albanian: Shteti Sovran i Urdhrit Bektashi; pronounced ) is a proposed European microstate and city-state that would be enclaved entirely within Tirana, the capital of Albania, at the current World Headquarters of the Bektashi. If established, it would be smaller than the Vatican City and become the sovereign state with the smallest land area in the world, with a total land area of 27 acres (11 ha).

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Date: 23/10/2024 21:41:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2207995
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order (Albanian: Shteti Sovran i Urdhrit Bektashi; pronounced ) is a proposed European microstate and city-state that would be enclaved entirely within Tirana, the capital of Albania, at the current World Headquarters of the Bektashi. If established, it would be smaller than the Vatican City and become the sovereign state with the smallest land area in the world, with a total land area of 27 acres (11 ha).

splitters!!!

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Date: 23/10/2024 21:43:17
From: party_pants
ID: 2207997
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order (Albanian: Shteti Sovran i Urdhrit Bektashi; pronounced ) is a proposed European microstate and city-state that would be enclaved entirely within Tirana, the capital of Albania, at the current World Headquarters of the Bektashi. If established, it would be smaller than the Vatican City and become the sovereign state with the smallest land area in the world, with a total land area of 27 acres (11 ha).

I think the Bektashi Order is my learning for today. Never heard of them before.

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Date: 24/10/2024 14:12:45
From: dv
ID: 2208187
Subject: re: today I learned

One of my favourite songs of the 90s is Rock ‘n’ Rock is Where I Hide by Dave Graney and the Coral Snakes.

It ends with a description of how being a lead singer in a rock ‘n’ roll band is a good cover for a spy and there is then a list of phrases that I thought were just elaborations on this idea.

But it turns out that these are all references to old song, band or album names, most of which I have not heard of. Conqueroo, Mr Meat, the Little White Cloud that Cried etc.

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Date: 24/10/2024 14:49:15
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2208195
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


One of my favourite songs of the 90s is Rock ‘n’ Rock is Where I Hide by Dave Graney and the Coral Snakes.

It ends with a description of how being a lead singer in a rock ‘n’ roll band is a good cover for a spy and there is then a list of phrases that I thought were just elaborations on this idea.

But it turns out that these are all references to old song, band or album names, most of which I have not heard of. Conqueroo, Mr Meat, the Little White Cloud that Cried etc.

>Little White Cloud that Cried

That was a stupid Jamie Redfern song.

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Date: 24/10/2024 15:36:18
From: Ian
ID: 2208204
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


One of my favourite songs of the 90s is Rock ‘n’ Rock is Where I Hide by Dave Graney and the Coral Snakes.

It ends with a description of how being a lead singer in a rock ‘n’ roll band is a good cover for a spy and there is then a list of phrases that I thought were just elaborations on this idea.

But it turns out that these are all references to old song, band or album names, most of which I have not heard of. Conqueroo, Mr Meat, the Little White Cloud that Cried etc.

I read Dave’s memoir “1001 Australian nights”. I’d go along with Nick Cave’s description..

‘A_ delirious_ cruise_through_the_strange_and_perplexing_mind_of Australia’s_pre-eminent_songwriter,legendary_mischief-maker_and_ _ cosmic_hipster._ Funny,wise, narcissistic,deluded_and anarchic. Pure genius._’

..except for the formatting

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Date: 25/10/2024 09:52:42
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208432
Subject: re: today I learned

Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

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Date: 25/10/2024 10:56:59
From: buffy
ID: 2208482
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

Oh my goodness.

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:04:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208484
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

Oh my goodness.

So a metaphor for the don’t tread on brigade¿

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:04:38
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2208485
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

Oh my goodness.

He being of scientific bent you’d think he’d know better.

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:07:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208487
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

Oh my goodness.

Yes. My goodness!

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:08:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208489
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


buffy said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Karl P. Schmidt, a renowned American herpetologist, chose to dedicate his final moments to science when faced with death, demonstrating remarkable dedication to his work.
📷
In September 1957, the Lincoln Park Zoo brought a 30-inch snake to the Chicago Natural History Museum, seeking help with its identification. Schmidt, who was highly respected in the field of herpetology and had several species named after him, agreed to examine the snake.

On September 25, Schmidt observed that the snake was African, with bright patterns and a head shape similar to a boomslang—a venomous snake from Sub-Saharan Africa. However, he was unsure if it was a boomslang because the snake’s “anal plate was undivided,” a feature inconsistent with that species. (It turned out to be a juvenile boomslang snake (Dispholidus typus).

While examining the snake, Schmidt made a fateful decision. He picked it up for a closer look, but the snake suddenly bit him on the left thumb, leaving two small puncture wounds. Instead of seeking medical help, Schmidt, ever the dedicated scientist, began documenting the effects of the venom in his journal.

“I took it from Dr. Robert Inger without thinking of any precaution, and it promptly bit me on the fleshy lateral aspect of the first joint of the left thumb,” Karl Schmidt wrote in his journal. “The mouth was widely opened and the bite was made with the rear fangs only, only the right fang entering to its full length of about 3 mm.”
Within 24 hours, he would be dead.

Schmidt may have underestimated the severity of the bite. He took a train home and continued noting his symptoms in detail:

-4:30 – 5:30 PM: Strong nausea, no vomiting. Took a suburban train trip.
- 5:30 – 6:30 PM:Experienced chills, shaking, fever of 101.7°F. Bleeding from the gums began around 5:30.
-8:30 PM: Ate two pieces of milk toast.
- 9:00 PM – 12:20 AM: Slept well. Urinated at 12:20 AM, mostly blood. Drank water at 4:30 AM, followed by violent nausea and vomiting. Felt better and slept until 6:30 AM.

The next morning, Schmidt carried on with his routine, eating breakfast and continuing to document the venom’s effects:

-September 26, 6:30 AM: Ate cereal, poached eggs on toast, applesauce, and coffee for breakfast. Noted continuous bleeding from the mouth and nose, though “not excessively.”

“Excessively” was the last word Schmidt wrote. After lunch, he vomited, called his wife, and soon became unresponsive. Despite attempts to revive him, Schmidt was pronounced dead at 3 PM, the cause being respiratory paralysis.

Boomslang venom is terrifyingly potent; just .0006 milligrams can kill a bird within minutes. The venom causes internal bleeding, leading to a slow and agonizing death. Schmidt’s autopsy revealed that his lungs, eyes, heart, kidneys, and brain were all hemorrhaging.

The Chicago Daily Tribune later revealed that Schmidt had been advised to seek medical help but refused, saying, “No, that would upset the symptoms.” Some say Schmidt’s death was a tragic case of curiosity overcoming caution. Others believe that, knowing the antivenom was only available in Africa, Schmidt simply accepted his fate, continuing his life’s work until the very end.

Oh my goodness.

He being of scientific bent you’d think he’d know better.

In that case, it was the latter.

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:18:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208495
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Oh my goodness.

He being of scientific bent you’d think he’d know better.

In that case, it was the latter.

So what we’re all saying is that Real Scientists would do the experiment on someone else, like…

… uh …

… well you decide, we(1,0,0) wouldn’t, so fuck it.

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:21:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208498
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

He being of scientific bent you’d think he’d know better.

In that case, it was the latter.

So what we’re all saying is that Real Scientists would do the experiment on someone else, like…

… uh …

… well you decide, we(1,0,0) wouldn’t, so fuck it.

I would not be handling a snake I knew nothing about.

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Date: 25/10/2024 11:38:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208504
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

In that case, it was the latter.

So what we’re all saying is that Real Scientists would do the experiment on someone else, like…

… uh …

… well you decide, we(1,0,0) wouldn’t, so fuck it.

I would not be handling a snake I knew nothing about.

Seems plenty out there are keen to play with extreme right ideologies they … oh actually probably they know all about those.

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Date: 25/10/2024 12:29:18
From: buffy
ID: 2208518
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

In that case, it was the latter.

So what we’re all saying is that Real Scientists would do the experiment on someone else, like…

… uh …

… well you decide, we(1,0,0) wouldn’t, so fuck it.

I would not be handling a snake I knew nothing about.

Quite a lot of medical experimenters had experimented on themselves.

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Date: 25/10/2024 12:51:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208529
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

So what we’re all saying is that Real Scientists would do the experiment on someone else, like…

… uh …

… well you decide, we(1,0,0) wouldn’t, so fuck it.

I would not be handling a snake I knew nothing about.

Quite a lot of medical experimenters had experimented on themselves.

Was thinking of the bloke with the ulcer in his stomach.

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Date: 25/10/2024 12:58:03
From: Cymek
ID: 2208535
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


buffy said:

roughbarked said:

I would not be handling a snake I knew nothing about.

Quite a lot of medical experimenters had experimented on themselves.

Was thinking of the bloke with the ulcer in his stomach.

People ingesting tape worms to help with diets

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:25:53
From: esselte
ID: 2208553
Subject: re: today I learned

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:29:07
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208557
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:31:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208559
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

me too.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:33:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2208561
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

I didn’t

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:37:15
From: esselte
ID: 2208567
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:38:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208569
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


ChrispenEvan said:

esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

didn’t know his middle name.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:40:01
From: Cymek
ID: 2208570
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


ChrispenEvan said:

esselte said:

Why is Samuel Langhorne Clemens known as Mark Twain? He adopted the pen name in early 1863 when he was a newspaperman in Nevada. It referred to his steamboating days, when the measure of the depth of the water was expressed with a crewman’s cry “mark twain!,” meaning two fathoms, or 12 feet.

https://marktwainhouse.org/about/mark-twain/frequently-asked-questions/

I knowed that.

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

Yeah I remember that as well.
That was a good two part episode.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:42:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208572
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


esselte said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I knowed that.

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

didn’t know his middle name.

Neither did I.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:54:44
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2208575
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


esselte said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I knowed that.

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

Yeah I remember that as well.
That was a good two part episode.

I hope it didn’t involve the Holodeck otherwise I can’t be your friend anymore.

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Date: 25/10/2024 13:57:50
From: Cymek
ID: 2208576
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Cymek said:

esselte said:

I knew his real name from that Star Trek episode.. the same one where I learned snakes are called ophidians… but I didn’t know where it had come from.

Yeah I remember that as well.
That was a good two part episode.

I hope it didn’t involve the Holodeck otherwise I can’t be your friend anymore.

No Data went back in time to that era.

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Date: 25/10/2024 14:35:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2208584
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Yeah I remember that as well.
That was a good two part episode.

I hope it didn’t involve the Holodeck otherwise I can’t be your friend anymore.

No Data went back in time to that era.

Twain had a great affinity with the stars and the cosmos and he could well have been born of aliens.

“Twain was born shortly after an appearance of Halley’s Comet, and predicted that his death would accompany it as well, dying a day after the comet was at its closest to Earth.”

I’m not saying he was an alien or was born of alien blood, I don’t want to start rumors flying around on the internet even though they might be based on fact, so I’ll leave it at that.

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Date: 25/10/2024 14:43:45
From: Cymek
ID: 2208587
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I hope it didn’t involve the Holodeck otherwise I can’t be your friend anymore.

No Data went back in time to that era.

Twain had a great affinity with the stars and the cosmos and he could well have been born of aliens.

“Twain was born shortly after an appearance of Halley’s Comet, and predicted that his death would accompany it as well, dying a day after the comet was at its closest to Earth.”

I’m not saying he was an alien or was born of alien blood, I don’t want to start rumors flying around on the internet even though they might be based on fact, so I’ll leave it at that.

It was interesting that in the episodes Twain went up to the Enterprise and asked is all the terribleness of his era still around in the future.
He was impressed by the technology but wondered if the inequality was still a thing

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Date: 25/10/2024 15:02:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208597
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I hope it didn’t involve the Holodeck otherwise I can’t be your friend anymore.

No Data went back in time to that era.

Twain had a great affinity with the stars and the cosmos and he could well have been born of aliens.

“Twain was born shortly after an appearance of Halley’s Comet, and predicted that his death would accompany it as well, dying a day after the comet was at its closest to Earth.”

I’m not saying he was an alien or was born of alien blood, I don’t want to start rumors flying around on the internet even though they might be based on fact, so I’ll leave it at that.

Well, that man was two fathoms adrift.

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Date: 25/10/2024 20:52:52
From: dv
ID: 2208709
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned what the capital of Florida is.

Huh.

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Date: 25/10/2024 20:57:23
From: btm
ID: 2208710
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned what the capital of Florida is.

Huh.

It’s about $2.50, isn’t it?

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:06:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208782
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:12:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208783
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Luckily, Australia hasn’t got any.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:36:33
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2208784
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Italy needs more fibre and less coffee.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:39:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2208785
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Italy needs more fibre and less coffee.

Imagine what more da Vinci might have achieved, had he not been on the bog eight times a day.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:45:55
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208786
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Dark Orange said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Italy needs more fibre and less coffee.

Imagine what more da Vinci might have achieved, had he not been on the bog eight times a day.

moldova and macedonia are a bit of a worry.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:46:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208787
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Dark Orange said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Italy needs more fibre and less coffee.

Imagine what more da Vinci might have achieved, had he not been on the bog eight times a day.

He could have extrapolated further.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:47:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2208788
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Who makes this shit up?

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:48:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2208789
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


captain_spalding said:

Dark Orange said:

Italy needs more fibre and less coffee.

Imagine what more da Vinci might have achieved, had he not been on the bog eight times a day.

moldova and macedonia are a bit of a worry.

Ireland! Latvia! Estonia!

Twice a week. What are they eating, cement? Got a thing for big corks and mallets? What’s happening there?

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:51:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208790
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


ChrispenEvan said:

captain_spalding said:

Imagine what more da Vinci might have achieved, had he not been on the bog eight times a day.

moldova and macedonia are a bit of a worry.

Ireland! Latvia! Estonia!

Twice a week. What are they eating, cement? Got a thing for big corks and mallets? What’s happening there?

I recall we were drinking the White Clifffs pub out of Coopers best extra stout. They only kept a carton of long necks in the cellar. The next morning when we were in the shopacross the road, my mate asked for a cigarette lighter. The shop owner who hadn’t been at the pub the night before, scrabbled through all the lighters in the box until he found the one that said, “get stoned, drink cement”.

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Date: 26/10/2024 09:52:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2208791
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Who makes this shit up?

scatologists.

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Date: 26/10/2024 10:02:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2208792
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Is there a similar map showing number of Macdonalds per million population?

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Date: 26/10/2024 10:07:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2208793
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Is there a similar map showing number of Macdonalds per million population?

Yes

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Date: 26/10/2024 10:10:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2208794
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

ChrispenEvan said:


Is there a similar map showing number of Macdonalds per million population?

Yes

That’s much better than the one I was about to post.

Looks like Spain and Italy have been fudging their statistics somewhere, but other than that, good correlation.

A coincidence?

I think not.

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Date: 26/10/2024 11:17:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2208804
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


wow so for any given person it’s like once every million weeks

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Date: 26/10/2024 11:25:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2208808
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:



Looks like a load of crap.

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Date: 26/10/2024 11:29:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2208813
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


ChrispenEvan said:


Looks like a load of crap.

I’d say that’s spot on the mark.

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Date: 26/10/2024 13:02:47
From: Ian
ID: 2208842
Subject: re: today I learned

Al Pacino only learned that his grandfather came from Corleone, Sicily after being cast in The Godfather.

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Date: 27/10/2024 08:25:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2209090
Subject: re: today I learned

about the monument to the Great Fire of London:

“Designed by Christopher Wren and the much overlooked Robert Hooke, not one in a thousand of the Londoners who walk past it every day probably know its secret.

It is a 203 foot tall zenith telescope with facilities for gravity and pendulum experiments. The inner edge of the spiral staircase leading up to the top of Monument forms the central shaft of the telescope, with the lenses in an opening in the golden urn at the top and the bottom of the shaft. The shaft continues down into a small underground room, from which observations of the night sky could be made and scientific instruments stored.

Hooke wanted to use the telescope to measure tiny shifts (parallax) in the position of the stars directly overhead (specifically Gamma Draconis) and use these measurements to calculate the radius of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun.

Unfortunately, the Monument is next to Fish Street Hill which was the main route to London Bridge at the time and one of the busiest roads in London. Vibrations from the passing traffic made accurate measurements impossible and it was not until the 1830s that stellar parallax was successfully measured for the first time.”

I must have passed under that monument 100’s of times, and not once did I stop to have a look.

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Date: 27/10/2024 09:39:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2209100
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


about the monument to the Great Fire of London:

“Designed by Christopher Wren and the much overlooked Robert Hooke, not one in a thousand of the Londoners who walk past it every day probably know its secret.

It is a 203 foot tall zenith telescope with facilities for gravity and pendulum experiments. The inner edge of the spiral staircase leading up to the top of Monument forms the central shaft of the telescope, with the lenses in an opening in the golden urn at the top and the bottom of the shaft. The shaft continues down into a small underground room, from which observations of the night sky could be made and scientific instruments stored.

Hooke wanted to use the telescope to measure tiny shifts (parallax) in the position of the stars directly overhead (specifically Gamma Draconis) and use these measurements to calculate the radius of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun.

Unfortunately, the Monument is next to Fish Street Hill which was the main route to London Bridge at the time and one of the busiest roads in London. Vibrations from the passing traffic made accurate measurements impossible and it was not until the 1830s that stellar parallax was successfully measured for the first time.”

I must have passed under that monument 100’s of times, and not once did I stop to have a look.


I’ve walked past it plenty of times and didn’t even know what it was.

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Date: 27/10/2024 10:45:47
From: dv
ID: 2209119
Subject: re: today I learned

An is the older form of the indefinite article in English, being found even before the Noman invasion. The shortening to a before consonants is a 12th century development.

Quatkin a child es þis!

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Date: 27/10/2024 10:47:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2209121
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


An is the older form of the indefinite article in English, being found even before the Noman invasion. The shortening to a before consonants is a 12th century development.

Quatkin a child es þis!

un

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Date: 27/10/2024 20:49:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2209267
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r9QL5A9-nEg

Link

Original touch screen.

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Date: 27/10/2024 21:27:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2209269
Subject: re: today I learned

Carmen’s first two solo singles were chart hits in 1976. Both were built around themes by Sergei Rachmaninoff. The first of these singles, “All by Myself” – based on Rachmaninoff’s Piano Concerto No. 2 – hit number 2 in the United States, and number 12 in the United Kingdom where it was his only charting hit. It sold over one million copies, and was awarded a gold disc by the R.I.A.A. in April 1976. The follow-up single, “Never Gonna Fall in Love Again” – based on the main theme of the third movement of Rachmaninoff’s Symphony No. 2 – reached number 11 on the Billboard Hot 100, and hit number one on the US Adult Contemporary Chart, as well as number nine on the Cash Box chart. In the UK, Dana took it to number 31 and in Australia Mark Holden took it to number 13.

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Date: 27/10/2024 21:49:50
From: party_pants
ID: 2209270
Subject: re: today I learned

Don’t go to Bunnings at lunchtime on a sunny Sunday in spring.

I browse yeah, I like to browse in Bunnings, before I make my selection and proceed to the checkout. I think I spent longer in the queue waiting for the checkout than I did browsing. Probably not in actual stopwatch time, but it felt like it.

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Date: 28/10/2024 08:38:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2209291
Subject: re: today I learned

of the book “On the Jews and Their Lies” written in 1543 by Martin Luther.

400 years later, it became a handbook on how to treat Jews for the Nazis.

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Date: 28/10/2024 09:28:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2209302
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of the book “On the Jews and Their Lies” written in 1543 by Martin Luther.

400 years later, it became a handbook on how to treat Jews for the Nazis.

And for a lot of people today.

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Date: 29/10/2024 12:43:02
From: dv
ID: 2209682
Subject: re: today I learned

The “metro” in the word metropolis etc means mother.

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Date: 29/10/2024 12:45:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2209684
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The “metro” in the word metropolis etc means mother.

I’ve been on the metro in Paris, it was a mother.

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Date: 29/10/2024 12:59:40
From: Tamb
ID: 2209696
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The “metro” in the word metropolis etc means mother.

I’ve been on the metro in Paris, it was a mother.


The Paris Metro was OK but I was defeated by a French laundrette.

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Date: 29/10/2024 15:24:46
From: dv
ID: 2209761
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The “metro” in the word metropolis etc means mother.

I’ve been on the metro in Paris, it was a mother.

Ha

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Date: 2/11/2024 09:08:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2210983
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/shawnryanshow/videos/396089083547264

Link

Avi Loeb on time machines.

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Date: 3/11/2024 09:00:20
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2211198
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-skeleton-is-the-first-person-ever-found-from-a-norse-saga

Link

Paper is linked at the bottom of the article.

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Date: 3/11/2024 09:37:58
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2211199
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpupuner_rock_formations

Link

interesting.

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Date: 3/11/2024 10:07:35
From: dv
ID: 2211207
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/this-skeleton-is-the-first-person-ever-found-from-a-norse-saga

Link

Paper is linked at the bottom of the article.


“They took a dead man and cast him into the well, and then filled it up with stones.”

So declares the 800-year-old Norse Sverris Saga, an accounting of the rise and reign of King Sverre Sigurdsson, who went on to rule Norway from 1184 until his death in 1202 CE.

The wording is kind of weird, making it sound as though he went on the rule Norway after the well incident.

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Date: 3/11/2024 10:20:56
From: dv
ID: 2211209
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpupuner_rock_formations

Link

interesting.

Very nice

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Date: 3/11/2024 10:26:26
From: dv
ID: 2211216
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-skeleton-is-the-first-person-ever-found-from-a-norse-saga

Link

Paper is linked at the bottom of the article.


“They took a dead man and cast him into the well, and then filled it up with stones.”

So declares the 800-year-old Norse Sverris Saga, an accounting of the rise and reign of King Sverre Sigurdsson, who went on to rule Norway from 1184 until his death in 1202 CE.

The wording is kind of weird, making it sound as though he went on the rule Norway after the well incident.

I was wondering whether y-DNA could be used but a squiz at Wikipedia suggests he has no male-line descendants and his paternity is unclear.

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Date: 4/11/2024 11:54:02
From: dv
ID: 2211554
Subject: re: today I learned

Thanks to Jago Hazzard I now know that the Northern Line was extended to Battersby Power Station a couple of years ago.

For geological reasons, the region south of the Thames is not as well served by the Underground as the north side so it is good that they are making these extensions.
OTOH I am not sure I like having a tube station with the word Station in its name.

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Date: 4/11/2024 12:02:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2211556
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Thanks to Jago Hazzard I now know that the Northern Line was extended to Battersby Power Station a couple of years ago.

For geological reasons, the region south of the Thames is not as well served by the Underground as the north side so it is good that they are making these extensions.
OTOH I am not sure I like having a tube station with the word Station in its name.

Battersby Power Station Station.

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Date: 4/11/2024 12:11:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2211557
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Thanks to Jago Hazzard I now know that the Northern Line was extended to Battersby Power Station a couple of years ago.

For geological reasons, the region south of the Thames is not as well served by the Underground as the north side so it is good that they are making these extensions.
OTOH I am not sure I like having a tube station with the word Station in its name.

You mean Battersea Power Station.

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Date: 4/11/2024 12:14:28
From: dv
ID: 2211560
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Thanks to Jago Hazzard I now know that the Northern Line was extended to Battersby Power Station a couple of years ago.

For geological reasons, the region south of the Thames is not as well served by the Underground as the north side so it is good that they are making these extensions.
OTOH I am not sure I like having a tube station with the word Station in its name.

You mean Battersea Power Station.

Yeah

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Date: 4/11/2024 15:37:45
From: dv
ID: 2211629
Subject: re: today I learned

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

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Date: 4/11/2024 15:42:11
From: dv
ID: 2211630
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

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Date: 4/11/2024 15:43:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2211631
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

Foreigners?

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Date: 4/11/2024 15:49:49
From: Tamb
ID: 2211632
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

dv said:

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

Foreigners?


Coming here, eating our whatever they’re called.

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Date: 4/11/2024 16:06:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2211635
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

Probably from the little chess piece.

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Date: 4/11/2024 16:36:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2211656
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

dv said:

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

Probably from the little chess piece.

Right!

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:23:32
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2211681
Subject: re: today I learned

Happy 70th birthday to Stuart Leslie Goddard.

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:28:45
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2211685
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Happy 70th birthday to Stuart Leslie Goddard.

I’m wary of blokes with Leslie as their second name.

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:33:36
From: dv
ID: 2211687
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Happy 70th birthday to Stuart Leslie Goddard.

Now there’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Ant_Is_the_Blueblack_Hussar_in_Marrying_the_Gunner%27s_Daughter

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:36:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2211688
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Happy 70th birthday to Stuart Leslie Goddard.

I’m wary of blokes with Leslie as their second name.

And a first name of Colin.

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:42:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2211693
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Happy 70th birthday to Stuart Leslie Goddard.

I’m wary of blokes with Leslie as their second name.

And a first name of Colin.

LOL

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:51:15
From: dv
ID: 2211696
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

The Italian word scampi means langoustine. In English the term is used to describe a particular method of preparation, regardless of what crustacean is being cooked.

The English word shrimp is from roots meaning shrink: hence the name for the animal came from the fact that it is small, rather than the colloquial term meaning small being transferred from the name of the animal.

And before you ask, scampi ultimately comes from roots meaning bend or curve.

The etymology of prawn is unknown as the term mysteriously emerged in Middle English.

So now I’m wondering what if anything is the difference between prawns and shrimp. Interesting that one is invariant on pluralisation.

WP says

Shrimp and prawn are types of sea animals that are consumed worldwide. Although shrimp and prawns belong to different suborders of Decapoda, they are very similar in appearance and the terms are often used interchangeably in commercial farming and wild fisheries. A distinction is drawn in recent aquaculture literature, which increasingly uses the term “prawn” only for the marine forms of palaemonids and “shrimp” for the marine penaeids.

When I look up Palaemonidae, I see that one genus, Macrobrachium, is commercially farmed and is a freshwater kind: Wikipedia says “prawns or shrimp”.

So looking up Penaeidae:


The Penaeidae contain many species of economic importance, such as the tiger prawn, whiteleg shrimp, Atlantic white shrimp, and Indian prawn.

What we think of as prawns in Australia are Penaeidae, then.

The brown shrimp used in potted shrimp are in a different family, though: Crangonidae.

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Date: 4/11/2024 17:54:42
From: dv
ID: 2211697
Subject: re: today I learned

The terms shrimp and prawn are common names, not scientific names. They are vernacular or colloquial terms, which lack the formal definition of scientific terms. They are not taxa, but are terms of convenience with little circumscriptional significance. There is no reason to avoid using the terms shrimp or prawn when convenient, but it is important not to confuse them with the names or relationships of actual taxa.

According to the crustacean taxonomist Tin-Yam Chan, “The terms shrimp and prawn have no definite reference to any known taxonomic groups. Although the term shrimp is sometimes applied to smaller species, while prawn is more often used for larger forms, there is no clear distinction between both terms and their usage is often confused or even reverse in different countries or regions.” Writing in 1980, L. B. Holthuis noted that the terms prawn and shrimp were used inconsistently “even within a single region”, generalising that larger species fished commercially were generally called shrimp in the United States, and prawns in other English-speaking countries, although not without exceptions.

Very well then

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Date: 5/11/2024 22:20:46
From: dv
ID: 2212047
Subject: re: today I learned

The only non-colonial language family found both in the Americas and Afro-Eurasia is Eskimo-Aleut.

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:13:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2212092
Subject: re: today I learned

of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:16:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2212093
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

oh yous seem to learn about this every decade or so

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:23:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2212094
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

oh yous seem to learn about this every decade or so

Quite possibly.

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:24:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2212095
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

oh yous seem to learn about this every decade or so

Quite possibly.

I forget things from week to week.

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:27:07
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2212097
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

Interesting.
The Kidney Stone example given coincidentally appears similar to the Skin Cream problem presented in this video I saw last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_OApdxcno

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:42:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2212100
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Simpson’s Paradox
which is the same age as me.

Interesting.
The Kidney Stone example given coincidentally appears similar to the Skin Cream problem presented in this video I saw last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_OApdxcno

That was worth watching. :)

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Date: 6/11/2024 08:48:31
From: Tamb
ID: 2212102
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

oh yous seem to learn about this every decade or so

Quite possibly.

I forget things from week to week.


Like cold fusion is always 10 years away.

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Date: 6/11/2024 14:45:18
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2212256
Subject: re: today I learned

I don’t think this is a new idea.

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Date: 6/11/2024 14:49:07
From: dv
ID: 2212258
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 6/11/2024 14:50:39
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2212259
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Thanks I missed those.

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Date: 6/11/2024 14:53:11
From: Tamb
ID: 2212260
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


I don’t think this is a new idea.


At about 0.04% CO2 in the air there’s going to be a lot of processing going on.

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Date: 6/11/2024 15:02:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2212263
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t think this is a new idea.

At about 0.04% CO2 in the air there’s going to be a lot of processing going on.

corny

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Date: 6/11/2024 15:02:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2212264
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Hey, Zarkov’s back!

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Date: 6/11/2024 15:03:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2212265
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t think this is a new idea.


At about 0.04% CO2 in the air there’s going to be a lot of processing going on.

There will no doubt come a time when CO2 is collected from the atmosphere, but in the meantime, there will be copious supplies from fossil fuel power stations, steel furnaces, cement manufacture, and the like.

To me it makes more sense to recycle that as a fuel, rather than sequestering it underground.

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Date: 6/11/2024 15:05:45
From: Tamb
ID: 2212267
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Tamb said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t think this is a new idea.


At about 0.04% CO2 in the air there’s going to be a lot of processing going on.

There will no doubt come a time when CO2 is collected from the atmosphere, but in the meantime, there will be copious supplies from fossil fuel power stations, steel furnaces, cement manufacture, and the like.

To me it makes more sense to recycle that as a fuel, rather than sequestering it underground.


Makes sense to me as well.

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Date: 6/11/2024 16:02:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2212291
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

At about 0.04% CO2 in the air there’s going to be a lot of processing going on.

There will no doubt come a time when CO2 is collected from the atmosphere, but in the meantime, there will be copious supplies from fossil fuel power stations, steel furnaces, cement manufacture, and the like.

To me it makes more sense to recycle that as a fuel, rather than sequestering it underground.


Makes sense to me as well.


Makes sense yes.
but
Making sense isn’t the same as making money.

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Date: 7/11/2024 08:18:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2212551
Subject: re: today I learned

that between the year of my birth to 2018 the largest known prime number increased from 44 digits to 24,862,048 digits.

What has happened in the last 6 years, I do not know.

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Date: 7/11/2024 08:23:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2212552
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that between the year of my birth to 2018 the largest known prime number increased from 44 digits to 24,862,048 digits.

What has happened in the last 6 years, I do not know.

Pi has been worked out to some ridiculous number.

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Date: 7/11/2024 08:24:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2212553
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that between the year of my birth to 2018 the largest known prime number increased from 44 digits to 24,862,048 digits.

What has happened in the last 6 years, I do not know.

Full text and an image of the source of my learnin, which I think is QI:

Can quantum computers help speed up the discovery of large prime numbers or solve other number theory problems, or is there no big difference in efficiency from silicon-based computers?
Anuetest, you’ve asked a lot of questions on finding large primes, methods to find large primes, breaking records of large primes, using GPUs for large primes, using quantum computers for large primes, and so on. Let me try to answer those questions together, which I’m happy to do since it seems like many, many people are very confused by those things.

First of all, finding large primes is not important. Seriously. It’s interesting for us to improve our understanding of number theory and it’s fun to have cool benchmarks, but the problem of finding large primes is basically solved. We have amazingly good (polynomial-time) algorithms for doing so, almost as fast as they could possibly be. There are interesting open theoretical questions, but the algorithmic and computational challenge is almost completely solved.

Specifically, quantum computers are not expected to help us find large prime numbers. We already do it so efficiently that virtually nothing can make it substantially better. Quantum computers are expected (not proven, but expected) to help factor large numbers into primes, which is a very different problem. And yes, that’s an interesting and cool application of the idea of quantum computation, in fact it’s one of a pretty small number of problems we believe quantum computers can do well. But it’s not about finding primes, and it’s not about other number theory problems. It’s very specifically about factoring.

Also, there’s a massive difference between breaking large-prime records, which is all about primes of very special structure (typically Mersenne primes), and the large primes we use for practical purposes such as public-key cryptography. I’m mentioning that because this too is confusing many people: sure, breaking the record of largest-prime-ever-found is hard because we’ve already found large primes of fantastic size. But it’s not practical or useful or commercially valuable to break that record. Here’s a handy diagram of the different realms of primes by magnitude:

(more details here .)

You also seem to be interested in the question of parallel computation. That’s a fine question, and like I said the problem of finding large primes is very easy to parallelize, but I wanted to re-emphasize another point many people are confused by: quantum computation is not about parallelization. There’s a persistent meme that quantum computers “check all possibilities simultaneously”. They don’t, they can’t, and that’s absolutely not how quantum computation works.

As Meni Rosenfeld pointed out to me, there are some very specialized types of prime sequences which have commercial value in the realm of cryptocurrencies. Once again, those applications are not about merely finding a large prime numbers, and once again, quantum computers are not known or expected to be any better at those tasks.

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Date: 7/11/2024 08:26:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2212554
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that between the year of my birth to 2018 the largest known prime number increased from 44 digits to 24,862,048 digits.

What has happened in the last 6 years, I do not know.

Pi has been worked out to some ridiculous number.


I’ve heard of imaginary numbers and transcendental numbers but ridiculous numbers are news to me.

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Date: 7/11/2024 08:55:28
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2212555
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that between the year of my birth to 2018 the largest known prime number increased from 44 digits to 24,862,048 digits.

What has happened in the last 6 years, I do not know.

Pi has been worked out to some ridiculous number.


I’ve heard of imaginary numbers and transcendental numbers but ridiculous numbers are news to me.

:)

Chronology of computation of π

As of July 2024, π has been calculated to 202,112,290,000,000 (approximately 202 trillion) decimal digits. The last 100 decimal digits of the latest world record computation are:

The biggest hand calculation in a century!

400 people
6 days
10,000 long divisions

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Date: 7/11/2024 10:18:50
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2212561
Subject: re: today I learned

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Pi has been worked out to some ridiculous number.

I’ve heard of imaginary numbers and transcendental numbers but ridiculous numbers are news to me.

:)

Chronology of computation of π

As of July 2024, π has been calculated to 202,112,290,000,000 (approximately 202 trillion) decimal digits. The last 100 decimal digits of the latest world record computation are:

The biggest hand calculation in a century!

400 people
6 days
10,000 long divisions

pointless since there’s a formula for each digit

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Date: 7/11/2024 18:31:59
From: dv
ID: 2212829
Subject: re: today I learned

I was unfamiliar with the name Dalziel until the show Dalziel and Pascoe came out some 30 years back and I’ve sometimes wondered why it has a silent alz.

Wikipedia says

edit
The unintuitive spelling of the name is due to it being an anglicisation of Scottish Gaelic Dail-gheal, meaning bright dale. The sound now spelled with a ⟨y⟩ or ⟨z⟩ is historically a lenited slender /ɡ/, which in Gaelic is pronounced (like English ⟨y⟩). The English/Scots form of the name was originally spelled with a yogh (ȝ) as Dalȝiel; this was later replaced with either a ⟨z⟩, the letter of the modern alphabet which most looks like yogh, or a ⟨y⟩, which more closely represents the sound.

—-

Still doesn’t quite explain what happened to the first l sound butnthere we have it.
Somewhat akin to the situation with Menzies.

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Date: 7/11/2024 18:55:56
From: Michael V
ID: 2212836
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I was unfamiliar with the name Dalziel until the show Dalziel and Pascoe came out some 30 years back and I’ve sometimes wondered why it has a silent alz.

Wikipedia says

edit
The unintuitive spelling of the name is due to it being an anglicisation of Scottish Gaelic Dail-gheal, meaning bright dale. The sound now spelled with a ⟨y⟩ or ⟨z⟩ is historically a lenited slender /ɡ/, which in Gaelic is pronounced (like English ⟨y⟩). The English/Scots form of the name was originally spelled with a yogh (ȝ) as Dalȝiel; this was later replaced with either a ⟨z⟩, the letter of the modern alphabet which most looks like yogh, or a ⟨y⟩, which more closely represents the sound.

—-

Still doesn’t quite explain what happened to the first l sound butnthere we have it.
Somewhat akin to the situation with Menzies.

When in England a few years back, we had lunch with the Dowager Baroness of Dalzell. She cooked.

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Date: 7/11/2024 18:57:04
From: dv
ID: 2212837
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

I was unfamiliar with the name Dalziel until the show Dalziel and Pascoe came out some 30 years back and I’ve sometimes wondered why it has a silent alz.

Wikipedia says

edit
The unintuitive spelling of the name is due to it being an anglicisation of Scottish Gaelic Dail-gheal, meaning bright dale. The sound now spelled with a ⟨y⟩ or ⟨z⟩ is historically a lenited slender /ɡ/, which in Gaelic is pronounced (like English ⟨y⟩). The English/Scots form of the name was originally spelled with a yogh (ȝ) as Dalȝiel; this was later replaced with either a ⟨z⟩, the letter of the modern alphabet which most looks like yogh, or a ⟨y⟩, which more closely represents the sound.

—-

Still doesn’t quite explain what happened to the first l sound butnthere we have it.
Somewhat akin to the situation with Menzies.

When in England a few years back, we had lunch with the Dowager Baroness of Dalzell. She cooked.

Metaphorically or literally?

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Date: 7/11/2024 19:06:28
From: Michael V
ID: 2212839
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

I was unfamiliar with the name Dalziel until the show Dalziel and Pascoe came out some 30 years back and I’ve sometimes wondered why it has a silent alz.

Wikipedia says

edit
The unintuitive spelling of the name is due to it being an anglicisation of Scottish Gaelic Dail-gheal, meaning bright dale. The sound now spelled with a ⟨y⟩ or ⟨z⟩ is historically a lenited slender /ɡ/, which in Gaelic is pronounced (like English ⟨y⟩). The English/Scots form of the name was originally spelled with a yogh (ȝ) as Dalȝiel; this was later replaced with either a ⟨z⟩, the letter of the modern alphabet which most looks like yogh, or a ⟨y⟩, which more closely represents the sound.

—-

Still doesn’t quite explain what happened to the first l sound butnthere we have it.
Somewhat akin to the situation with Menzies.

When in England a few years back, we had lunch with the Dowager Baroness of Dalzell. She cooked.

Metaphorically or literally?

Literally. She got us from the railway station and fed us a lovely chicken meal with white wine, then showed us around part of the estate. She owns a couple of thousand acres on the Surrey edge of London. Mrs V had worked for her in the 1980s for a few weeks, and they continued corresponding. Surprisingly they had a Wollemi Pine, that the late Baron Hamilton of Dalzell had planted.

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Date: 7/11/2024 19:36:38
From: dv
ID: 2212847
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

When in England a few years back, we had lunch with the Dowager Baroness of Dalzell. She cooked.

Metaphorically or literally?

Literally. She got us from the railway station and fed us a lovely chicken meal with white wine, then showed us around part of the estate. She owns a couple of thousand acres on the Surrey edge of London. Mrs V had worked for her in the 1980s for a few weeks, and they continued corresponding. Surprisingly they had a Wollemi Pine, that the late Baron Hamilton of Dalzell had planted.

Cor blimey

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Date: 7/11/2024 19:49:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2212854
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Metaphorically or literally?

Literally. She got us from the railway station and fed us a lovely chicken meal with white wine, then showed us around part of the estate. She owns a couple of thousand acres on the Surrey edge of London. Mrs V had worked for her in the 1980s for a few weeks, and they continued corresponding. Surprisingly they had a Wollemi Pine, that the late Baron Hamilton of Dalzell had planted.

Cor blimey

:)

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Date: 8/11/2024 10:11:22
From: dv
ID: 2213017
Subject: re: today I learned

Zhety-ata (Kazakh: Жеті ата, “seven grandfathers/ancestors”) is a tradition among the Kazakh people, in which one is obligated to know or recite the names of at least seven direct blood ancestors such as father, grandfather, great grandfather and great-great-grandfather etc. This process often has been taught for generations from childhood by parents.

The main reason for knowing their seven ancestors is that among Kazakhs, marriage within seven generations is prohibited, so for a marriage to be licit, the ancestors of the male and female sides must be above the seven ancestors on both father and mother lineages. The second reason is that this tradition is regarded as a helpful means to know and remember the historical background of each Kazakh and their tribes in the past. This is often called Shezhire by Kazakhs, and through this system, most of the Kazakhs know their origin and their relations with other tribes within the clan-tribal system of Kazakhs. Each set of seven generations is considered a minimum unit clan in Kazakhs, but usually, Kazakhs marry above ten ancestors. In the oral folklore of Kazakhs, it is said that the newborn child will be wise, healthy mentally, and physically strong under the “Jety-Ata” rule.

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Date: 8/11/2024 10:19:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2213023
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Zhety-ata (Kazakh: Жеті ата, “seven grandfathers/ancestors”) is a tradition among the Kazakh people, in which one is obligated to know or recite the names of at least seven direct blood ancestors such as father, grandfather, great grandfather and great-great-grandfather etc. This process often has been taught for generations from childhood by parents.

The main reason for knowing their seven ancestors is that among Kazakhs, marriage within seven generations is prohibited, so for a marriage to be licit, the ancestors of the male and female sides must be above the seven ancestors on both father and mother lineages. The second reason is that this tradition is regarded as a helpful means to know and remember the historical background of each Kazakh and their tribes in the past. This is often called Shezhire by Kazakhs, and through this system, most of the Kazakhs know their origin and their relations with other tribes within the clan-tribal system of Kazakhs. Each set of seven generations is considered a minimum unit clan in Kazakhs, but usually, Kazakhs marry above ten ancestors. In the oral folklore of Kazakhs, it is said that the newborn child will be wise, healthy mentally, and physically strong under the “Jety-Ata” rule.

:)

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Date: 8/11/2024 10:23:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2213026
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Zhety-ata (Kazakh: Жеті ата, “seven grandfathers/ancestors”) is a tradition among the Kazakh people, in which one is obligated to know or recite the names of at least seven direct blood ancestors such as father, grandfather, great grandfather and great-great-grandfather etc. This process often has been taught for generations from childhood by parents.

The main reason for knowing their seven ancestors is that among Kazakhs, marriage within seven generations is prohibited, so for a marriage to be licit, the ancestors of the male and female sides must be above the seven ancestors on both father and mother lineages. The second reason is that this tradition is regarded as a helpful means to know and remember the historical background of each Kazakh and their tribes in the past. This is often called Shezhire by Kazakhs, and through this system, most of the Kazakhs know their origin and their relations with other tribes within the clan-tribal system of Kazakhs. Each set of seven generations is considered a minimum unit clan in Kazakhs, but usually, Kazakhs marry above ten ancestors. In the oral folklore of Kazakhs, it is said that the newborn child will be wise, healthy mentally, and physically strong under the “Jety-Ata” rule.

Blimey.

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Date: 8/11/2024 18:41:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2213252
Subject: re: today I learned

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/chemists-broke-100-year-old-rule-time-to-rewrite-textbooks

Link

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Date: 8/11/2024 22:46:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2213316
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/chemists-broke-100-year-old-rule-time-to-rewrite-textbooks

Link

wait you mean rules in chemistry are just suggestions wow weak

typical stamp collecting

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Date: 9/11/2024 07:46:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2213365
Subject: re: today I learned

The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:07:30
From: esselte
ID: 2213370
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.


Engineers need to be sat down and have a good talking to :)

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:11:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2213375
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.


Engineers need to be sat down and have a good talking to :)


That’s why I said check it with a calculator rather than Wolfram Alpha, or even a spreadsheet :)

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:25:55
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2213377
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


esselte said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.


Engineers need to be sat down and have a good talking to :)


That’s why I said check it with a calculator rather than Wolfram Alpha, or even a spreadsheet :)

fn software engineers

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:32:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2213378
Subject: re: today I learned

Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA samples showed an individual assumed to be a mother wearing a golden bracelet was actually a male unrelated to the group he was found with.

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:48:34
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2213381
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.

The majority of the writers for The Simpsons have science degrees.
In this particular instance, the writer did his doctoral thesis on this equation and stuck it in the show as an easter egg, then followed the message boards to see how long it took the viewers to notice :)

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Date: 9/11/2024 08:53:44
From: esselte
ID: 2213383
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The equation on the second line is correct and can be verified with a calculator.

Close enough for an engineer anyway.

The majority of the writers for The Simpsons have science degrees.
In this particular instance, the writer did his doctoral thesis on this equation and stuck it in the show as an easter egg, then followed the message boards to see how long it took the viewers to notice :)

Futurama Theorem

https://theinfosphere.org/Futurama_theorem

The Futurama theorem is a real-life mathematical theorem invented by Futurama writer Ken Keeler (who holds a PhD in applied mathematics), purely for use in the Season 6 episode “The Prisoner of Benda”.

It is the first known theorem to be created for the sole purpose of entertainment in a TV show, and, according to Keeler, was included to popularize math among young people.

The theorem proves that, regardless of how many mind switches between two bodies have been made, they can still all be restored to their original bodies using only two extra people, provided these two people have not had any mind switches prior (assuming two people cannot switch minds back with each other after their original switch).

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Date: 9/11/2024 16:24:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2213582
Subject: re: today I learned

A painting of British mathematician Alan Turing by AI robot Ai-Da makes history by selling for $1.32 million at auction.

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Date: 10/11/2024 03:22:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2213775
Subject: re: today I learned

didn’t know they

called it that

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Date: 10/11/2024 09:23:37
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2213790
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

didn’t know they

called it that

This is why you should clean your touch-screens regularly.

You filthy grots.

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Date: 10/11/2024 17:27:13
From: dv
ID: 2213927
Subject: re: today I learned

Pottery vessel found in Shahr-i Sokhta, Iran. Late half of 3rd Millennium B.C. In five pictures a goat steps toward a tree, climbs it up, eats leaves and comes down. This picture is one of earliest examples of artist’s attempt to show motion in means of animation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahr-e_Sukhteh

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Date: 10/11/2024 17:38:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2213931
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Pottery vessel found in Shahr-i Sokhta, Iran. Late half of 3rd Millennium B.C. In five pictures a goat steps toward a tree, climbs it up, eats leaves and comes down. This picture is one of earliest examples of artist’s attempt to show motion in means of animation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahr-e_Sukhteh

>> climbs it up

They spoke funny back then.

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Date: 10/11/2024 18:30:06
From: Neophyte
ID: 2213944
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Pottery vessel found in Shahr-i Sokhta, Iran. Late half of 3rd Millennium B.C. In five pictures a goat steps toward a tree, climbs it up, eats leaves and comes down. This picture is one of earliest examples of artist’s attempt to show motion in means of animation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahr-e_Sukhteh

Mullah Muybridge…

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Date: 12/11/2024 10:46:15
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2214398
Subject: re: today I learned

There are no audio recordings of the front line of WWI, as magnetic tape had not been invented and the wax cylinders used at the time were too fragile.

However, there were rangefinder systems that used a string of buried oil drums that recorded vibration onto photographic film as a seismograph to pinpoint the range of the enemy guns.

The Imperial War museum has used these recordings to recreate a soundscape of what you would be hearing in the trenches, based on the distance of the impacts and type of weapons in use at the time.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/listen-moment-guns-fell-silent-ending-world-war-i-180970772/

https://codatocoda.bandcamp.com/album/iwm-ww1-armistice-interpretation-sound-installation

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Date: 12/11/2024 10:50:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2214400
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:

There are no audio recordings of the front line of WWI, as magnetic tape had not been invented and the wax cylinders used at the time were too fragile.

However, there were rangefinder systems that used a string of buried oil drums that recorded vibration onto photographic film as a seismograph to pinpoint the range of the enemy guns.

The Imperial War museum has used these recordings to recreate a soundscape of what you would be hearing in the trenches, based on the distance of the impacts and type of weapons in use at the time.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/listen-moment-guns-fell-silent-ending-world-war-i-180970772/

https://codatocoda.bandcamp.com/album/iwm-ww1-armistice-interpretation-sound-installation

Interesting.

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Date: 12/11/2024 11:13:06
From: dv
ID: 2214414
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:

There are no audio recordings of the front line of WWI, as magnetic tape had not been invented and the wax cylinders used at the time were too fragile.

However, there were rangefinder systems that used a string of buried oil drums that recorded vibration onto photographic film as a seismograph to pinpoint the range of the enemy guns.

The Imperial War museum has used these recordings to recreate a soundscape of what you would be hearing in the trenches, based on the distance of the impacts and type of weapons in use at the time.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/listen-moment-guns-fell-silent-ending-world-war-i-180970772/

https://codatocoda.bandcamp.com/album/iwm-ww1-armistice-interpretation-sound-installation

Interesting

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Date: 12/11/2024 13:15:39
From: dv
ID: 2214449
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AvQaganFH/

The keys to longevity are poor-record keeping, clerical errors and pension fraud.

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Date: 12/11/2024 13:19:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2214453
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AvQaganFH/

The keys to longevity are poor-record keeping, clerical errors and pension fraud.

So if I’m a pension fraudster, my clerical errors and poor record keeping would keep me surviving?

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Date: 12/11/2024 13:20:12
From: Cymek
ID: 2214454
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AvQaganFH/

The keys to longevity are poor-record keeping, clerical errors and pension fraud.

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Date: 12/11/2024 13:25:16
From: dv
ID: 2214458
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AvQaganFH/

The keys to longevity are poor-record keeping, clerical errors and pension fraud.

So if I’m a pension fraudster, my clerical errors and poor record keeping would keep me surviving?

You could be the new Methuselah.

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Date: 12/11/2024 13:28:37
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2214461
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AvQaganFH/

The keys to longevity are poor-record keeping, clerical errors and pension fraud.

So if I’m a pension fraudster, my clerical errors and poor record keeping would keep me surviving?

No.
Pension fraud allows you to keep claiming Aunt Jemima’s pension after she is dead and gone, and poor record keeping will allow people who weren’t old enough for the pension 40 years ago to actually say they were,

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Date: 12/11/2024 14:37:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2214526
Subject: re: today I learned

The Big Ballandean Pyramid, Jacobsens Road Ballandean Queensland.

It’s certainly a surprise to encounter a giant stone pyramid south of Stanthorpe near the village of Ballandean! Built from blocks
of local granite, the pyramid stands 17.5 metres in height, 30 metres square at the base and contains 7,500 tonnes of rock.

It was built using an excavator and dump truck and took eight months to complete. Why is it there? The land owner had excess
granite from excavations on the property and he built it just because he could!

Credit: Anthony Cathro

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Date: 12/11/2024 16:09:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2214588
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


The Big Ballandean Pyramid, Jacobsens Road Ballandean Queensland.

It’s certainly a surprise to encounter a giant stone pyramid south of Stanthorpe near the village of Ballandean! Built from blocks
of local granite, the pyramid stands 17.5 metres in height, 30 metres square at the base and contains 7,500 tonnes of rock.

It was built using an excavator and dump truck and took eight months to complete. Why is it there? The land owner had excess
granite from excavations on the property and he built it just because he could!

Credit: Anthony Cathro

But why? Where’s the explanation od such excavations?
Dosn’t he know he only owns the top six inches?

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Date: 13/11/2024 15:41:56
From: dv
ID: 2214956
Subject: re: today I learned

Somehow I didn’t know Burgess Meredith, whom I mostly know from his role as Mickey in Rocky, played the penguin in the Batman TV series.

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Date: 13/11/2024 15:46:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2214958
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Somehow I didn’t know Burgess Meredith, whom I mostly know from his role as Mickey in Rocky, played the penguin in the Batman TV series.

I know him only from the latter.

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Date: 13/11/2024 17:36:39
From: Neophyte
ID: 2214969
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Somehow I didn’t know Burgess Meredith, whom I mostly know from his role as Mickey in Rocky, played the penguin in the Batman TV series.

I know him only from the latter.

I’d have thunk it was his best-known role – that and bespectacled Mr Bemis in that episode of The Twilight Zone

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Date: 13/11/2024 17:51:56
From: Neophyte
ID: 2214971
Subject: re: today I learned

“Burgess was not the first choice for the role. While Frank Gorshin was always the first and only choice for the Riddler, it was Mickey Rooney who was chosen to the portray the Penguin. However, he was involved in another project and wasn’t able to adjust his schedule to take the part. According to Dozier’s production notes, Rooney was actually broken up about losing the part. They settled on Burgess and he turned out to be William Dozier’s favorite villain.”

All this and more from http://tothebatpoles.blogspot.com/2011/09/batscholar-on-episodes-3-4.htmlfrom

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Date: 13/11/2024 18:08:21
From: Ian
ID: 2214972
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Somehow I didn’t know Burgess Meredith, whom I mostly know from his role as Mickey in Rocky, played the penguin in the Batman TV series.

It’s frankly ridiculous the American Navy selling him one of their pre-atomic submarines.

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Date: 14/11/2024 08:25:22
From: dv
ID: 2215076
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/vzLduvnW-FA?si=nUTdu6sybkfZduEZ

Born in 1810, Pope Leo XIII may be the earliest born person captured on film.

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Date: 14/11/2024 14:41:15
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215196
Subject: re: today I learned

Hunting mushrooms for food is a recent activity in Scandinavia (Norway and Sweden).

No mushroom species were used by the peasantry for food in pre-industrial times.

In fact, the rural population had a deep-rooted distrust of fungi. Although mushrooms were visible in the landscape (forests, meadows) which were used for other purposes by peasants, hunters, and herders, the edible macrofungi were usually left untouched even in times of need. In general, Scandinavians were mycophobic societies.

From this paper

And from Wikipedia

In Iceland, rural parts of Sweden, and Western Finland, mushrooms were not widely eaten before World War II. They were viewed as food for cows and were also associated with the stigma of being a wartime and poverty food.

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:02:53
From: dv
ID: 2215400
Subject: re: today I learned

Quark is a creamy cheese

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:05:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2215402
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Quark is a creamy cheese

Not as creamy as boson cheese.

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:12:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215406
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Quark is a creamy cheese

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:32:13
From: dv
ID: 2215413
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Quark is a creamy cheese

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.


Wikipedia reckons:

It is named after Alan and Jenny Gray, enterprising farmers who found a 1615 recipe by Gervase Markham

Who wrote this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_English_Huswife

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:46:41
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2215414
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Quark is a creamy cheese

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.


What libation would you have with that, a sherry perhaps?

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:50:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215415
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Quark is a creamy cheese

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.


Wikipedia reckons:

It is named after Alan and Jenny Gray, enterprising farmers who found a 1615 recipe by Gervase Markham

Who wrote this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_English_Huswife

Aye.

….Linda Woodbridge, reviewing Michael Best’s edition of The English Housewife, describes it as a splendid modern text. She describes the maladies for which Markham proposed remedies as “some picturesque, some desperate”, as they included “stinking breath which cometh from the stomach”, “pimpled or red-saucy face”, “griefs in the stomach”, “desperate yellow jaundice”, “pissing in bed”, “falling of the fundament”, and “privy parts burned”. The remedies make use of “curatives as homely as parsley, as exotic as dried stag’s pizzle. She notes that in the two parts of Countrey Contentments, Markham expected the country gentlemen to lead a purely recreational life, the country gentlewoman to have “one long round of unremitting hard work.” But Woodbridge notes that at least booksellers of the time were recognising “that a substantial market of literate female book-buyers was something worth catering to.”

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:50:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215416
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Quark is a creamy cheese

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.


What libation would you have with that, a sherry perhaps?

I’d choose a good dry white.

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:57:35
From: dv
ID: 2215417
Subject: re: today I learned

I wonder what falling of fundament is. Drooping arse?

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Date: 14/11/2024 22:59:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215418
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I wonder what falling of fundament is. Drooping arse?

Possibly haemorrhoids.

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:12:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2215422
Subject: re: today I learned

The King’s (may his tribe increase) real birthday was today.
On behalf of the forum I’d like to take this opportunity to wish Charles many happy returns..

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:19:40
From: dv
ID: 2215424
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The King’s (may his tribe increase) real birthday was today.
On behalf of the forum I’d like to take this opportunity to wish Charles many happy returns..

A sprightly 76, if he’s anything like his mother he’s still got a score of summers in him. Probably more considering he is a clean living with a mostly plant-based diet.

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:42:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215429
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The King’s (may his tribe increase) real birthday was today.
On behalf of the forum I’d like to take this opportunity to wish Charles many happy returns..

A sprightly 76, if he’s anything like his mother he’s still got a score of summers in him. Probably more considering he is a clean living with a mostly plant-based diet.

Isn’t he dying of cancer as we speak?

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:56:28
From: Woodie
ID: 2215430
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

And Cornish Yarg is a semi-hard cow’s cheese wrapped in nettle leaves, made to a recipe from 1613 that is thought to date back to the 13th century.

But the name Yarg is just Gray spelt backwards, coined by the Gray family who popularised the old recipe in the 1980s.


What libation would you have with that, a sherry perhaps?

I’d choose a good dry white.

Dry white wine is an oxymoron. How can a dry white wine be dry? It’s wet.

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:59:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2215432
Subject: re: today I learned

Woodie said:


Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

What libation would you have with that, a sherry perhaps?

I’d choose a good dry white.

Dry white wine is an oxymoron. How can a dry white wine be dry? It’s wet.

It’s as wet as it wants to be and dry as it needs to be.

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Date: 14/11/2024 23:59:51
From: dv
ID: 2215433
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The King’s (may his tribe increase) real birthday was today.
On behalf of the forum I’d like to take this opportunity to wish Charles many happy returns..

A sprightly 76, if he’s anything like his mother he’s still got a score of summers in him. Probably more considering he is a clean living with a mostly plant-based diet.

Isn’t he dying of cancer as we speak?

I dare say a plate of radishes will sort that out

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Date: 15/11/2024 11:37:08
From: dv
ID: 2215557
Subject: re: today I learned

The term knickers and now associated with the UK but it originated in the US, originally a short form of knickerbockers. These in turn were named after a fictional character called Diedrich Knickerbocker in A History of New York by Washington Irving. For the same reason, Knickerbocker camd to mean New Yorker, and the team The New York Knicks get their name from that.

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Date: 15/11/2024 11:38:58
From: Cymek
ID: 2215559
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The term knickers and now associated with the UK but it originated in the US, originally a short form of knickerbockers. These in turn were named after a fictional character called Diedrich Knickerbocker in A History of New York by Washington Irving. For the same reason, Knickerbocker camd to mean New Yorker, and the team The New York Knicks get their name from that.

So they nicked it ?

Groan

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Date: 15/11/2024 11:49:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2215566
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The term knickers and now associated with the UK but it originated in the US, originally a short form of knickerbockers. These in turn were named after a fictional character called Diedrich Knickerbocker in A History of New York by Washington Irving. For the same reason, Knickerbocker camd to mean New Yorker, and the team The New York Knicks get their name from that.

So much to learn, so little time.

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Date: 16/11/2024 13:31:52
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2215887
Subject: re: today I learned

today i learned that if you need to replace the inner tube in a wheelbarrow wheel it would be far easier to take it to a tyre place and get them to do it.

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Date: 16/11/2024 14:12:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2215901
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


today i learned that if you need to replace the inner tube in a wheelbarrow wheel it would be far easier to take it to a tyre place and get them to do it.

True. They aren’t easy without a really big tyre lever. Since many are plastic, this becomes even trickier.

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Date: 16/11/2024 15:45:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2215924
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

today i learned that if you need to replace the inner tube in a wheelbarrow wheel it would be far easier to take it to a tyre place and get them to do it.

True. They aren’t easy without a really big tyre lever. Since many are plastic, this becomes even trickier.

we just cleaned out a vacuum cleaner with another vacuum cleaner

then learnt that the another vacuum cleaner wasn’t a cyclone type so we’ll have to clean it with the initial one again

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Date: 16/11/2024 15:47:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2215925
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

today i learned that if you need to replace the inner tube in a wheelbarrow wheel it would be far easier to take it to a tyre place and get them to do it.

True. They aren’t easy without a really big tyre lever. Since many are plastic, this becomes even trickier.

we just cleaned out a vacuum cleaner with another vacuum cleaner

then learnt that the another vacuum cleaner wasn’t a cyclone type so we’ll have to clean it with the initial one again

That cycle could keep you occupied for days.

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Date: 16/11/2024 15:59:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2215930
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

True. They aren’t easy without a really big tyre lever. Since many are plastic, this becomes even trickier.

we just cleaned out a vacuum cleaner with another vacuum cleaner

then learnt that the another vacuum cleaner wasn’t a cyclone type so we’ll have to clean it with the initial one again

That cycle could keep you occupied for days.

nah usually the bulk of the dust collects in the sedimentation chamber so if we use two cyclonic we only have to do each once and it’s good for another year

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Date: 17/11/2024 12:20:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2216215
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxtorpeda

Link

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Date: 17/11/2024 14:18:36
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2216251
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2410867052591345

Link

electric fields in plants and bees.

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Date: 17/11/2024 14:40:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2216254
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2410867052591345

Link

electric fields in plants and bees.

Just what we ordered¡

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Date: 17/11/2024 14:44:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2216255
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2410867052591345

Link

electric fields in plants and bees.

Just what we ordered¡


Praise the Lord.

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Date: 17/11/2024 14:44:21
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2216256
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2410867052591345

Link

electric fields in plants and bees.

Just what we ordered¡


Simple minds can’t comprehend natures one amazing trick!

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Date: 17/11/2024 15:59:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2216269
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 18/11/2024 18:51:52
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2216652
Subject: re: today I learned

The clade Afrosoricida (a Latin-Greek compound name which means “looking like African shrews”) contains the golden moles of Southern Africa, the otter shrews of equatorial Africa and the tenrecs of Madagascar. These three groups of small mammals were for most of the 19th and 20th centuries regarded as a part of the Insectivora or Lipotyphla, but both of those groups, as traditionally used, are polyphyletic.

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Date: 18/11/2024 22:37:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2216676
Subject: re: today I learned

Nimravidae is an extinct family of carnivorans, sometimes known as false saber-toothed cats, whose fossils are found in North America and Eurasia. Not considered to belong to the true cats (family Felidae), the nimravids are generally considered closely related and classified as a distinct family in the suborder Feliformia. Fossils have been dated from the Middle Eocene through the Late Miocene epochs (Bartonian through Tortonian stages, 40.4–7.2 million years ago), spanning about 33.2 million years.

Most nimravids had muscular, low-slung, cat-like bodies, with shorter legs and tails than are typical of cats. Unlike extant Feliformia, the nimravids had a different bone structure in the small bones of the ear.

….Nimravid feet were short, indicating they walked in a plantigrade or semiplantigrade posture, i.e., on the flat of the feet rather than the toes, like modern cats.

Although some nimravids physically resembled the saber-toothed cats, such as Smilodon, they were not closely related, but evolved a similar form through parallel evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimravidae

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Date: 18/11/2024 23:56:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2216694
Subject: re: today I learned

Looks superficially like a mammal skeleton in some respects, but this early therapsid is actually far older and had various traits in common with reptiles.

Sauroctonus parringtoni, a sabre-toothed gorgonopsian from the Upper Permian, from about 255 million years ago.

….They are characterised by a long and narrow skull, as well as elongated upper and sometimes lower canine teeth and incisors which were likely used as slashing and stabbing weapons. Postcanine teeth are generally reduced or absent. For hunting large prey, they possibly used a bite-and-retreat tactic, ambushing and taking a debilitating bite out of the target, and following it at a safe distance before its injuries exhausted it, whereupon the gorgonopsian would grapple the animal and deliver a killing bite. They would have had an exorbitant gape, possibly in excess of 90°, without having to unhinge the jaw.

….Like reptiles, gorgonopsians lack a secondary palate separating the mouth from the nasal cavity, prohibiting chewing.

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Date: 19/11/2024 00:07:47
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2216702
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Looks superficially like a mammal skeleton in some respects, but this early therapsid is actually far older and had various traits in common with reptiles.

Sauroctonus parringtoni, a sabre-toothed gorgonopsian from the Upper Permian, from about 255 million years ago.

….They are characterised by a long and narrow skull, as well as elongated upper and sometimes lower canine teeth and incisors which were likely used as slashing and stabbing weapons. Postcanine teeth are generally reduced or absent. For hunting large prey, they possibly used a bite-and-retreat tactic, ambushing and taking a debilitating bite out of the target, and following it at a safe distance before its injuries exhausted it, whereupon the gorgonopsian would grapple the animal and deliver a killing bite. They would have had an exorbitant gape, possibly in excess of 90°, without having to unhinge the jaw.

….Like reptiles, gorgonopsians lack a secondary palate separating the mouth from the nasal cavity, prohibiting chewing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgonopsia

Smilesaurus ferox has the proportionally longest canines of any gorgonopsian.

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Date: 19/11/2024 00:14:13
From: dv
ID: 2216704
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Looks superficially like a mammal skeleton in some respects, but this early therapsid is actually far older and had various traits in common with reptiles.

Sauroctonus parringtoni, a sabre-toothed gorgonopsian from the Upper Permian, from about 255 million years ago.

….They are characterised by a long and narrow skull, as well as elongated upper and sometimes lower canine teeth and incisors which were likely used as slashing and stabbing weapons. Postcanine teeth are generally reduced or absent. For hunting large prey, they possibly used a bite-and-retreat tactic, ambushing and taking a debilitating bite out of the target, and following it at a safe distance before its injuries exhausted it, whereupon the gorgonopsian would grapple the animal and deliver a killing bite. They would have had an exorbitant gape, possibly in excess of 90°, without having to unhinge the jaw.

….Like reptiles, gorgonopsians lack a secondary palate separating the mouth from the nasal cavity, prohibiting chewing.


Nice one

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Date: 19/11/2024 00:17:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2216705
Subject: re: today I learned

The prey species of the gorgonopsians included this strange fat fellow, Bradysaurus.

Bradysaurus was a large, early and common pareiasaur. They possessed a covering of armoured scutes, likely serving as defense against their main predators, the gorgonopsians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradysaurus

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Date: 19/11/2024 09:23:38
From: dv
ID: 2216736
Subject: re: today I learned

The electric eel is an obligate air-breather.

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Date: 19/11/2024 11:42:59
From: dv
ID: 2216788
Subject: re: today I learned

Hattie the tortoise was owned by Charles Darwin and later by Steve Irwin.

Although it might seem quite a thing that two fellows born 153 years apart owned the same critter, much more significant records could be attained with regard to these beasts. The oldest Giant tortoise is currently Jonathon, who is a 191. Hatched on the Seychelles, he now resides in St Helena, and to the best of our knowledge is the oldest living land animal.

Such an animal could have owners whose birthdates are 300 years apart, assuming very young children can hold property.

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Date: 19/11/2024 11:53:29
From: Tamb
ID: 2216794
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hattie the tortoise was owned by Charles Darwin and later by Steve Irwin.

Although it might seem quite a thing that two fellows born 153 years apart owned the same critter, much more significant records could be attained with regard to these beasts. The oldest Giant tortoise is currently Jonathon, who is a 191. Hatched on the Seychelles, he now resides in St Helena, and to the best of our knowledge is the oldest living land animal.

Such an animal could have owners whose birthdates are 300 years apart, assuming very young children can hold property.

I met Jonathon on Saint Helena in the 60s or 70s when he was a young lad in his 140s

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:03:24
From: Ian
ID: 2216796
Subject: re: today I learned

The dot over a lowercase i and j is called a ‘tittle’ or superscript dot.

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:03:34
From: dv
ID: 2216797
Subject: re: today I learned

Hattie died only three months before Steve

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:05:57
From: Arts
ID: 2216799
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hattie died only three months before Steve

Steve killed Hattie and the animal kingdom put a hit out on him…

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:06:41
From: dv
ID: 2216802
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


dv said:

Hattie died only three months before Steve

Steve killed Hattie and the animal kingdom put a hit out on him…

how very dare you

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:09:50
From: Arts
ID: 2216806
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Arts said:

dv said:

Hattie died only three months before Steve

Steve killed Hattie and the animal kingdom put a hit out on him…

how very dare you

its called linkage.. and I used a technique called behaviour sequence analysis… it fits…

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:11:13
From: Arts
ID: 2216807
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


dv said:

Arts said:

Steve killed Hattie and the animal kingdom put a hit out on him…

how very dare you

its called linkage.. and I used a technique called behaviour sequence analysis… it fits…

ok, that may or may not be true.

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Date: 19/11/2024 12:13:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2216809
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


dv said:

Hattie died only three months before Steve

Steve killed Hattie and the animal kingdom put a hit out on him…

Kamikaze stingrays!

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Date: 19/11/2024 20:40:38
From: dv
ID: 2217004
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1815)

I don’t think I’ve seen this map before.

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Date: 19/11/2024 20:55:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2217007
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1815)

I don’t think I’ve seen this map before.

Shopped.

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Date: 19/11/2024 21:07:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2217008
Subject: re: today I learned

There’s such a thing a poets laurel.

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Date: 19/11/2024 21:11:23
From: party_pants
ID: 2217010
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


There’s such a thing a poets laurel.

I worked with a girl named Laurel once, she seemed always leave early on a Friday.

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Date: 20/11/2024 18:12:04
From: Michael V
ID: 2217289
Subject: re: today I learned

noun: organdie; plural noun: organdies; noun: organdy

A fine translucent cotton muslin that is usually stiffened and is used for women’s clothing.

“brides in flounced organdie gowns”

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Date: 20/11/2024 18:22:25
From: dv
ID: 2217294
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


noun: organdie; plural noun: organdies; noun: organdy

A fine translucent cotton muslin that is usually stiffened and is used for women’s clothing.

“brides in flounced organdie gowns”

Well that’s a new one for me.

Seems, like organza, it may come from French organsin, and ultimately from Ourgentch, an Uzbek city that is the midpoint of the Silk Road.

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Date: 20/11/2024 18:32:08
From: Ian
ID: 2217304
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


noun: organdie; plural noun: organdies; noun: organdy

A fine translucent cotton muslin that is usually stiffened and is used for women’s clothing.

“brides in flounced organdie gowns”

I’ve heard of it.. sounds a bit sus
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Date: 20/11/2024 20:45:45
From: dv
ID: 2217367
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Hattie the tortoise was owned by Charles Darwin and later by Steve Irwin.

Although it might seem quite a thing that two fellows born 153 years apart owned the same critter, much more significant records could be attained with regard to these beasts. The oldest Giant tortoise is currently Jonathon, who is a 191. Hatched on the Seychelles, he now resides in St Helena, and to the best of our knowledge is the oldest living land animal.

Such an animal could have owners whose birthdates are 300 years apart, assuming very young children can hold property.

Also both of their names ended in rwin.

It’s a shame that biologist Jeff Corwin never owned Hattie.

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Date: 20/11/2024 20:49:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2217368
Subject: re: today I learned

>>Also both of their names ended in rwin.

You’re onto them.

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Date: 20/11/2024 22:14:59
From: Kothos
ID: 2217386
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Also both of their names ended in rwin.

You’re onto them.

It’s probably the same immortal guy who keeps taking his deaths and rebirths.

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Date: 20/11/2024 22:15:00
From: Kothos
ID: 2217387
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Also both of their names ended in rwin.

You’re onto them.

It’s probably the same immortal guy who keeps taking his deaths and rebirths.

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Date: 20/11/2024 22:15:04
From: Kothos
ID: 2217388
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Also both of their names ended in rwin.

You’re onto them.

It’s probably the same immortal guy who keeps taking his deaths and rebirths.

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Date: 20/11/2024 22:15:56
From: Kothos
ID: 2217389
Subject: re: today I learned

Kothos said:


Peak Warming Man said:

>>Also both of their names ended in rwin.

You’re onto them.

It’s probably the same immortal guy who keeps taking his deaths and rebirths.

*faking

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Date: 20/11/2024 23:01:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2217392
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

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Date: 20/11/2024 23:30:11
From: tauto
ID: 2217394
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FmloRCi45Rs&pp=ygUUSm9obiBsIGhvb2tlciBzZXJ2ZXM%3D

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Date: 21/11/2024 18:39:20
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2217597
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 21/11/2024 18:41:08
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2217599
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:



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Date: 22/11/2024 02:31:05
From: dv
ID: 2217682
Subject: re: today I learned

Eton mess is a traditional English dessert consisting of a mixture of strawberries or other berries, meringue, and whipped cream.

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Date: 22/11/2024 02:37:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2217683
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Eton mess is a traditional English dessert consisting of a mixture of strawberries or other berries, meringue, and whipped cream.

yes. basically a deconstructed pav.

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Date: 22/11/2024 13:29:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2217806
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 22/11/2024 13:46:59
From: Kingy
ID: 2217810
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


Very interesting…

I had one of those but the wheel fell off when I went to see a man about a dog, but luckily I still had an onion on my belt, which was the fashion at the time.

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Date: 22/11/2024 16:58:02
From: dv
ID: 2217880
Subject: re: today I learned

I’ve been pronouncing chalcolithic wrongly since I first read the term thirty years ago.

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:00:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2217882
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I’ve been pronouncing chalcolithic wrongly since I first read the term thirty years ago.

It’s pronounced like Catholic but with added alcohol.

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:07:24
From: Cymek
ID: 2217886
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I’ve been pronouncing chalcolithic wrongly since I first read the term thirty years ago.

Is your pronunciation cooler sounding

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:07:54
From: Cymek
ID: 2217887
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

I’ve been pronouncing chalcolithic wrongly since I first read the term thirty years ago.

It’s pronounced like Catholic but with added alcohol.

Watch out altar boys

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:17:55
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2217891
Subject: re: today I learned

It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:28:28
From: Ian
ID: 2217894
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

It’s all Greek to me

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:30:06
From: Cymek
ID: 2217895
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Spiny Norman said:

It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

It’s all Greek to me

I bet it could be passed off as written on the Roswell spacecraft

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:31:18
From: Woodie
ID: 2217897
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

pppffffttt……… I whipped that up with a bit of chalk on me blackboard not just 10 minutes ago.

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:34:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2217900
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I’ve been pronouncing chalcolithic wrongly since I first read the term thirty years ago.

And how do you pronounce conchoidal?

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:35:51
From: Neophyte
ID: 2217901
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

Looks like the business on Prof Barnard’s blackboard which Klaatu added some bits to, in “The Day The Earth Stood Still”

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Date: 22/11/2024 17:41:51
From: Woodie
ID: 2217907
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Spiny Norman said:

It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

Looks like the business on Prof Barnard’s blackboard which Klaatu added some bits to, in “The Day The Earth Stood Still”

Klaatu barada nikto.

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Date: 22/11/2024 21:46:52
From: dv
ID: 2217977
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

What is it called

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Date: 22/11/2024 22:33:43
From: btm
ID: 2217987
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Spiny Norman said:

It is one of the longest equations in physics because it contains many terms and factors that account for all the possible interactions and symmetries of the Standard Model.

It was transcribed by Thomas Gutierrez who derived it from Martinus Veltman’s Diagrammatica: The Path to Feynman Diagrams.

What is it called

That’s the Lagrangian of the Standard Model.

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:17:11
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2217991
Subject: re: today I learned

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:47:06
From: Arts
ID: 2217993
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:52:02
From: Dark Orange
ID: 2217994
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

Their diet?

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:53:12
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2217997
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

breed.

eg rhode island reds are brown. arucunas are blue. white leghorns are white.

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:53:46
From: Kingy
ID: 2217998
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

The quality of their toilet paper.

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:54:22
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2217999
Subject: re: today I learned

Dark Orange said:


Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

Their diet?


This site is as good as any –

https://www.thehenhousecollection.com/blog/chicken-egg-colors-guide/

Link

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Date: 22/11/2024 23:57:33
From: party_pants
ID: 2218000
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:


Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

I declare this to be AI fakery, and that all chicken eggs are in fact exactly the same colour.

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Date: 23/11/2024 00:07:20
From: tauto
ID: 2218004
Subject: re: today I learned

Well it is truish

https://www.purinamills.com/chicken-feed/education/detail/lay-the-rainbow-chickens-that-lay-colored-eggs

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Date: 23/11/2024 07:00:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218024
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:

Dark Orange said:

Arts said:

What causes that?

Their diet?


This site is as good as any –

https://www.thehenhousecollection.com/blog/chicken-egg-colors-guide/

Link

so chicken eggs are just main sequence stars we knew it

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Date: 23/11/2024 07:02:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218025
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

Haven’t you ever read Kurt Nassau and the fifteen¿

Sheesh and these people call themselves refugees from the SSSF damn.

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Date: 23/11/2024 07:54:18
From: ruby
ID: 2218032
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

Spiny Norman said:

The colour variations of chicken eggs.

What causes that?

Haven’t you ever read Kurt Nassau and the fifteen¿

Sheesh and these people call themselves refugees from the SSSF damn.

The chickens I had and recently rehomed were Araucanas, and laid the blue eggs. Great free ranging chickens and refused to live in a chicken house, they roosted in a tree instead.

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Date: 23/11/2024 08:17:59
From: buffy
ID: 2218034
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


SCIENCE said:

Arts said:

What causes that?

Haven’t you ever read Kurt Nassau and the fifteen¿

Sheesh and these people call themselves refugees from the SSSF damn.

The chickens I had and recently rehomed were Araucanas, and laid the blue eggs. Great free ranging chickens and refused to live in a chicken house, they roosted in a tree instead.


Jungle birds. Like my Hamburgs. I have netted over the top of their run to keep them on the ground. Going into the trees – and then coming out into the yard – is unwise with a couple of dogs around. As one of them found out. It ended badly.

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Date: 23/11/2024 08:23:25
From: ruby
ID: 2218037
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


ruby said:

SCIENCE said:

Haven’t you ever read Kurt Nassau and the fifteen¿

Sheesh and these people call themselves refugees from the SSSF damn.

The chickens I had and recently rehomed were Araucanas, and laid the blue eggs. Great free ranging chickens and refused to live in a chicken house, they roosted in a tree instead.


Jungle birds. Like my Hamburgs. I have netted over the top of their run to keep them on the ground. Going into the trees – and then coming out into the yard – is unwise with a couple of dogs around. As one of them found out. It ended badly.

Yes, very jungle birds. It stood them in good stead when the fox broke into the yard. I found feathers from the lavender one strewn all round the yard and no chook. I bade her a sad farewell. A couple of days later a much denuded chook turned back up. She had outwitted the fox.

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Date: 23/11/2024 08:24:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2218038
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


buffy said:

ruby said:

The chickens I had and recently rehomed were Araucanas, and laid the blue eggs. Great free ranging chickens and refused to live in a chicken house, they roosted in a tree instead.


Jungle birds. Like my Hamburgs. I have netted over the top of their run to keep them on the ground. Going into the trees – and then coming out into the yard – is unwise with a couple of dogs around. As one of them found out. It ended badly.

Yes, very jungle birds. It stood them in good stead when the fox broke into the yard. I found feathers from the lavender one strewn all round the yard and no chook. I bade her a sad farewell. A couple of days later a much denuded chook turned back up. She had outwitted the fox.

Now that’s a clever chook.

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Date: 23/11/2024 16:37:00
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2218199
Subject: re: today I learned

what an Unun is. an impedance transformer for a radio. unbalanced to unbalanced feedlines.

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Date: 23/11/2024 16:45:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218201
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:

what an Unun is. an impedance transformer for a radio. unbalanced to unbalanced feedlines.

roentgenium

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Date: 23/11/2024 20:27:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2218250
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

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Date: 23/11/2024 20:41:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2218258
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

What i’ve seen of Paris is what could be seen from an aircraft window during a brief refuel and pick-up stop. That is, bugger all.

Mrs S has seen Paris, and does not hold a high opinion of it.

However, based on commetaries by others who i’ve met, including a good few Francophiles, it seems to me to be a bit like Melbourne.

A lot of what there is to like about the place goes on ‘underground’. You have to know where to go, when to go there, and what to expect and do. If you can find someone who’ll share that with you, or if you can be there long enough to find out yourself, you’ll quite enjoy it.

To a greater extent than Melbourne (although it still applies), the locals don’t actually hate you, they just don’t give a damn about you, or what you think of them or their city (fair enough, i suppose). They’re not interested in making any connection with you, you’re just someone they’ve encountered.

If you hang about, and become recognised, and adhere to the basic etiquette (e.g. always say ‘bonjour’), you will be treated rather more considerately.

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Date: 23/11/2024 21:50:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218266
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

What i’ve seen of Paris is what could be seen from an aircraft window during a brief refuel and pick-up stop. That is, bugger all.

Mrs S has seen Paris, and does not hold a high opinion of it.

However, based on commetaries by others who i’ve met, including a good few Francophiles, it seems to me to be a bit like Melbourne.

A lot of what there is to like about the place goes on ‘underground’. You have to know where to go, when to go there, and what to expect and do. If you can find someone who’ll share that with you, or if you can be there long enough to find out yourself, you’ll quite enjoy it.

To a greater extent than Melbourne (although it still applies), the locals don’t actually hate you, they just don’t give a damn about you, or what you think of them or their city (fair enough, i suppose). They’re not interested in making any connection with you, you’re just someone they’ve encountered.

If you hang about, and become recognised, and adhere to the basic etiquette (e.g. always say ‘bonjour’), you will be treated rather more considerately.

thanks it brought back memories

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI

someone who actually appreciates natural world beauty

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:36:18
From: dv
ID: 2218276
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:43:46
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218278
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:48:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218279
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I went to a lecture on semiology and Roland Barthes. ‘no one goes to Paris without going to the Eiffel tower.’ she said. ‘I did’ I said. Floored she was. I explained that I did a few galleries and versailles. And then i just wanted to get out of there.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:50:28
From: furious
ID: 2218280
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I can imagine…

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:52:19
From: btm
ID: 2218281
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I fell into the river Seine.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:54:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218282
Subject: re: today I learned

furious said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I can imagine…

i love that.

I remember being at mt cook in nz and there was the loud American man who was loudly going on about how he had travelled across half the world to see mt cook and he had been there for three days, and it was under cloud the whole time and everything was shit.

that was me in Paris.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:54:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218283
Subject: re: today I learned

btm said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I fell into the river Seine.

alcohol involved?

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:56:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2218284
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


furious said:

sarahs mum said:

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I can imagine…

i love that.

I remember being at mt cook in nz and there was the loud American man who was loudly going on about how he had travelled across half the world to see mt cook and he had been there for three days, and it was under cloud the whole time and everything was shit.

that was me in Paris.

Has this happened to you in other holiday destinations?

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:56:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2218285
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


btm said:

sarahs mum said:

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I fell into the river Seine.

alcohol involved?

No he’s just a weirdo.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:57:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218286
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

furious said:

I can imagine…

i love that.

I remember being at mt cook in nz and there was the loud American man who was loudly going on about how he had travelled across half the world to see mt cook and he had been there for three days, and it was under cloud the whole time and everything was shit.

that was me in Paris.

Has this happened to you in other holiday destinations?

I had a bout of depression in Ireland but I think that was easy.

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:58:34
From: furious
ID: 2218287
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

btm said:

I fell into the river Seine.

alcohol involved?

No he’s just a weirdo.

He also fell into the punk rock seine…

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Date: 23/11/2024 23:59:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218288
Subject: re: today I learned

I expected to fall apart in new york but I quite enjoyed it.

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Date: 24/11/2024 00:03:25
From: btm
ID: 2218290
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


btm said:

sarahs mum said:

i broke down and cried by the river seine. had a rant that made me sound American.

I fell into the river Seine.

alcohol involved?

No. It was actually the main reason I went to Paris. I’d spent some time in London, then other parts of Europe, with Paris the last city before back to London and back here.

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Date: 24/11/2024 00:04:28
From: btm
ID: 2218292
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

btm said:

I fell into the river Seine.

alcohol involved?

No he’s just a weirdo.

I dunno about weirdo, but I was in Seine.

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Date: 24/11/2024 00:09:01
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2218293
Subject: re: today I learned

btm said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

alcohol involved?

No he’s just a weirdo.

I dunno about weirdo, but I was in Seine.

Boom! Tish!

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Date: 24/11/2024 09:02:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218320
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

privilege can do that

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Date: 24/11/2024 10:19:11
From: esselte
ID: 2218347
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

TIL of Paris Syndrome – a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected. The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. The cluster of psychiatric symptoms has been particularly noted among Japanese tourists, perhaps due to the way in which Paris has been idealised in Japanese culture.

The syndrome is characterized by symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution (perceptions of being a victim of prejudice, aggression, hostility from others), derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, as well as psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating most notably, but also others, such as vomiting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

privilege can do that

From the wiki article -

“Of the estimated 1.1 million annual Japanese tourists in Paris, the number of reported cases is small. In 2016, a journal identified two types of the condition: Those who have previous history of psychiatric problems, and those without morbid history who exhibit delayed-expression post traumatic stress disorder. In a 2011 interview with Slate.fr, Mahmoudia stated that of the fifty pathological travelers hospitalized each year, three to five are Japanese.”

Screw those damned privileged people with their psychiatric conditions and latent PTSD, eh?

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Date: 24/11/2024 10:34:50
From: Tamb
ID: 2218349
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

This seems like an extreme reaction to mild disappointment.

privilege can do that

From the wiki article -

“Of the estimated 1.1 million annual Japanese tourists in Paris, the number of reported cases is small. In 2016, a journal identified two types of the condition: Those who have previous history of psychiatric problems, and those without morbid history who exhibit delayed-expression post traumatic stress disorder. In a 2011 interview with Slate.fr, Mahmoudia stated that of the fifty pathological travelers hospitalized each year, three to five are Japanese.”

Screw those damned privileged people with their psychiatric conditions and latent PTSD, eh?

Mz Tamb & I visited Paris a few times & loved the place. No sign of any syndromes.
I wonder if the problem in linked to culture shock. European v Asian culture kind of thing.

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Date: 24/11/2024 11:44:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218367
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

privilege can do that

From the wiki article -

“Of the estimated 1.1 million annual Japanese tourists in Paris, the number of reported cases is small. In 2016, a journal identified two types of the condition: Those who have previous history of psychiatric problems, and those without morbid history who exhibit delayed-expression post traumatic stress disorder. In a 2011 interview with Slate.fr, Mahmoudia stated that of the fifty pathological travelers hospitalized each year, three to five are Japanese.”

Screw those damned privileged people with their psychiatric conditions and latent PTSD, eh?

Mz Tamb & I visited Paris a few times & loved the place. No sign of any syndromes.
I wonder if the problem in linked to culture shock. European v Asian culture kind of thing.

no no they’re correct the ability to travel can’t possibly be a privilege if someone has any other issue such as an underlying psychiatric disorder

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Date: 24/11/2024 13:49:08
From: esselte
ID: 2218415
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

esselte said:

From the wiki article -

“Of the estimated 1.1 million annual Japanese tourists in Paris, the number of reported cases is small. In 2016, a journal identified two types of the condition: Those who have previous history of psychiatric problems, and those without morbid history who exhibit delayed-expression post traumatic stress disorder. In a 2011 interview with Slate.fr, Mahmoudia stated that of the fifty pathological travelers hospitalized each year, three to five are Japanese.”

Screw those damned privileged people with their psychiatric conditions and latent PTSD, eh?

Mz Tamb & I visited Paris a few times & loved the place. No sign of any syndromes.
I wonder if the problem in linked to culture shock. European v Asian culture kind of thing.

no no they’re correct the ability to travel can’t possibly be a privilege if someone has any other issue such as an underlying psychiatric disorder

You’re preferring “an extreme reaction to mild disappointment is a positively correlated function of the relative ability one has to travel” over “an extreme reaction to mild disappointment is positively correlated to mental illness”?

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Date: 24/11/2024 14:19:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218424
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

Mz Tamb & I visited Paris a few times & loved the place. No sign of any syndromes.
I wonder if the problem in linked to culture shock. European v Asian culture kind of thing.

no no they’re correct the ability to travel can’t possibly be a privilege if someone has any other issue such as an underlying psychiatric disorder

You’re preferring “an extreme reaction to mild disappointment is a positively correlated function of the relative ability one has to travel” over “an extreme reaction to mild disappointment is positively correlated to mental illness”?

no that’s not what we’re saying at all we said privilege can cause an extreme reaction to mild disappointment and everything else is anthropomorphic dried grass

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Date: 24/11/2024 21:35:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2218558
Subject: re: today I learned

that there is no such thing as an “alpha male”.

From last week’s NS “Feedback” column:

Speaking of dating, Mrs Feedback draws our attention to pheromone maxing, sometimes spelled maxxing. This is apparently something that alpha males do.

Actually, let me stop you right there. Alpha males are not a thing. The concept comes from research on captive wolves in the 1940s, which found that a single male would often dominate the pack. From there, the concept spread into popular culture. However, it turns out that wild wolves don’t behave like this: their packs are more like extended families. Wolf researcher L. David Mech has spent much of his career trying to correct the record, including attempting to get one of his own early books taken out of print.

Where were we? OK, so human alpha males (which don’t exist) have come up with a novel strategy to attract women as sexual partners. They stop showering and wear the same clothes for several days, thus maximising their “musk” and generating an alluring cocktail of pheromones that will, we guess, drive women into a sexual frenzy.

The idea gained a certain amount of internet fame after a teenaged TikTok user posted a video about his experiments, which began: “First off, I’m not stinky. I’m pheromone maxing.” A follow-up video, from his mother, asked other parents for advice on how to get him to take a shower.

Feedback isn’t quite sure where to start. Maybe with the idea of human pheromones? It’s true that some animals communicate by releasing chemicals called pheromones into the air, some of which play a role in mating. However, despite decades of research, there is no definitive evidence that human pheromones exist. It is a bold choice to base your dating strategy around a phenomenon that may not be real.

Even if human sexual pheromones do exist, why would avoiding showering maximise your output? And why would the pheromones cancel out your other smells?

It has been a long time since Feedback played the dating game, but our foggy memories suggest the best way to connect with people was talking to them, finding shared interests and being nice. Still: young minds, fresh ideas.

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Date: 24/11/2024 21:48:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2218562
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that there is no such thing as an “alpha male”.

From last week’s NS “Feedback” column:

Speaking of dating, Mrs Feedback draws our attention to pheromone maxing, sometimes spelled maxxing. This is apparently something that alpha males do.

Actually, let me stop you right there. Alpha males are not a thing. The concept comes from research on captive wolves in the 1940s, which found that a single male would often dominate the pack. From there, the concept spread into popular culture. However, it turns out that wild wolves don’t behave like this: their packs are more like extended families. Wolf researcher L. David Mech has spent much of his career trying to correct the record, including attempting to get one of his own early books taken out of print.

Where were we? OK, so human alpha males (which don’t exist) have come up with a novel strategy to attract women as sexual partners. They stop showering and wear the same clothes for several days, thus maximising their “musk” and generating an alluring cocktail of pheromones that will, we guess, drive women into a sexual frenzy.

The idea gained a certain amount of internet fame after a teenaged TikTok user posted a video about his experiments, which began: “First off, I’m not stinky. I’m pheromone maxing.” A follow-up video, from his mother, asked other parents for advice on how to get him to take a shower.

Feedback isn’t quite sure where to start. Maybe with the idea of human pheromones? It’s true that some animals communicate by releasing chemicals called pheromones into the air, some of which play a role in mating. However, despite decades of research, there is no definitive evidence that human pheromones exist. It is a bold choice to base your dating strategy around a phenomenon that may not be real.

Even if human sexual pheromones do exist, why would avoiding showering maximise your output? And why would the pheromones cancel out your other smells?

It has been a long time since Feedback played the dating game, but our foggy memories suggest the best way to connect with people was talking to them, finding shared interests and being nice. Still: young minds, fresh ideas.

Heh. I remember J.F. was convinced that human women choose their life partners on the basis of smell.

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Date: 24/11/2024 22:24:36
From: esselte
ID: 2218569
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that there is no such thing as an “alpha male”.

From last week’s NS “Feedback” column:

Speaking of dating, Mrs Feedback draws our attention to pheromone maxing, sometimes spelled maxxing. This is apparently something that alpha males do.

Actually, let me stop you right there. Alpha males are not a thing. The concept comes from research on captive wolves in the 1940s, which found that a single male would often dominate the pack. From there, the concept spread into popular culture. However, it turns out that wild wolves don’t behave like this: their packs are more like extended families. Wolf researcher L. David Mech has spent much of his career trying to correct the record, including attempting to get one of his own early books taken out of print.

Where were we? OK, so human alpha males (which don’t exist) have come up with a novel strategy to attract women as sexual partners. They stop showering and wear the same clothes for several days, thus maximising their “musk” and generating an alluring cocktail of pheromones that will, we guess, drive women into a sexual frenzy.

The idea gained a certain amount of internet fame after a teenaged TikTok user posted a video about his experiments, which began: “First off, I’m not stinky. I’m pheromone maxing.” A follow-up video, from his mother, asked other parents for advice on how to get him to take a shower.

Feedback isn’t quite sure where to start. Maybe with the idea of human pheromones? It’s true that some animals communicate by releasing chemicals called pheromones into the air, some of which play a role in mating. However, despite decades of research, there is no definitive evidence that human pheromones exist. It is a bold choice to base your dating strategy around a phenomenon that may not be real.

Even if human sexual pheromones do exist, why would avoiding showering maximise your output? And why would the pheromones cancel out your other smells?

It has been a long time since Feedback played the dating game, but our foggy memories suggest the best way to connect with people was talking to them, finding shared interests and being nice. Still: young minds, fresh ideas.

Heh. I remember J.F. was convinced that human women choose their life partners on the basis of smell.

Dominance hierarchies in social animals are real. The wolf study was flawed but that doesn’t mean the concept is invalid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_hierarchy

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Date: 24/11/2024 23:10:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218575
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

that there is no such thing as an “alpha male”.

From last week’s NS “Feedback” column:

Speaking of dating, Mrs Feedback draws our attention to pheromone maxing, sometimes spelled maxxing. This is apparently something that alpha males do.

Actually, let me stop you right there. Alpha males are not a thing. The concept comes from research on captive wolves in the 1940s, which found that a single male would often dominate the pack. From there, the concept spread into popular culture. However, it turns out that wild wolves don’t behave like this: their packs are more like extended families. Wolf researcher L. David Mech has spent much of his career trying to correct the record, including attempting to get one of his own early books taken out of print.

Where were we? OK, so human alpha males (which don’t exist) have come up with a novel strategy to attract women as sexual partners. They stop showering and wear the same clothes for several days, thus maximising their “musk” and generating an alluring cocktail of pheromones that will, we guess, drive women into a sexual frenzy.

The idea gained a certain amount of internet fame after a teenaged TikTok user posted a video about his experiments, which began: “First off, I’m not stinky. I’m pheromone maxing.” A follow-up video, from his mother, asked other parents for advice on how to get him to take a shower.

Feedback isn’t quite sure where to start. Maybe with the idea of human pheromones? It’s true that some animals communicate by releasing chemicals called pheromones into the air, some of which play a role in mating. However, despite decades of research, there is no definitive evidence that human pheromones exist. It is a bold choice to base your dating strategy around a phenomenon that may not be real.

Even if human sexual pheromones do exist, why would avoiding showering maximise your output? And why would the pheromones cancel out your other smells?

It has been a long time since Feedback played the dating game, but our foggy memories suggest the best way to connect with people was talking to them, finding shared interests and being nice. Still: young minds, fresh ideas.

well it’s clearly lies this right here is an alpha male for all to see

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Date: 25/11/2024 12:07:32
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2218717
Subject: re: today I learned

A Japanese WW2 programme I had never heard of.

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Date: 25/11/2024 20:53:17
From: dv
ID: 2218901
Subject: re: today I learned

Valencia, navel etc are all kinds of Citrus sinensis, which is a cross between a pomelo and a mandarin.

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Date: 25/11/2024 21:09:29
From: Ian
ID: 2218903
Subject: re: today I learned

The streets of Valencia have lines of oranges in them. I queried the locals about their being valencia variety. They gave me blank looks. The naming is something the Yanks did I think.

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Date: 25/11/2024 21:14:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2218904
Subject: re: today I learned

childhood home had lemons, grapefruit, navels and valencias. the football team got the valencias.

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Date: 25/11/2024 21:17:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2218905
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


…the football team got the valencias.

Simple precautions would have prevented that, but it’s quite curable these days.

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Date: 25/11/2024 22:29:00
From: dv
ID: 2218923
Subject: re: today I learned

Although the leek is a symbol of Wales, it is Mesopotamian in origin, and was introduced into Britain by either the Romans or the Phoenicians .

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Date: 25/11/2024 22:48:25
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2218924
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Although the leek is a symbol of Wales, it is Mesopotamian in origin, and was introduced into Britain by either the Romans or the Phoenicians .

What have the Romans ever done for us, brawd?

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Date: 26/11/2024 02:44:12
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218940
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Although the leek is a symbol of Wales, it is Mesopotamian in origin, and was introduced into Britain by either the Romans or the Phoenicians .

What have the Romans ever done for us, brawd?

so it’s stolen just like everything in the museum wait

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Date: 26/11/2024 02:44:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218941
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 26/11/2024 07:10:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2218946
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


…which I had to explain to a number of people who were convinced that riding a bike to the shops is “better exercise” (i.e., burns more energy) than walking.

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Date: 26/11/2024 07:16:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2218949
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


SCIENCE said:


…which I had to explain to a number of people who were convinced that riding a bike to the shops is “better exercise” (i.e., burns more energy) than walking.

Yes. You’d need to do like 100km a day to get similar exercise as a brisk walk up and over that hill.

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Date: 26/11/2024 07:29:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2218951
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


SCIENCE said:


…which I had to explain to a number of people who were convinced that riding a bike to the shops is “better exercise” (i.e., burns more energy) than walking.

For a minute there I was thinking I should drive to the shops to reduce my emissions.

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Date: 26/11/2024 07:32:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2218953
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:


…which I had to explain to a number of people who were convinced that riding a bike to the shops is “better exercise” (i.e., burns more energy) than walking.

For a minute there I was thinking I should drive to the shops to reduce my emissions.

I wonder when Colesworths with start offering frequent emmision reduction points rewards cards?

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Date: 26/11/2024 07:46:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2218955
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:


…which I had to explain to a number of people who were convinced that riding a bike to the shops is “better exercise” (i.e., burns more energy) than walking.

Yes. You’d need to do like 100km a day to get similar exercise as a brisk walk up and over that hill.

For a minute there I was thinking I should drive to the shops to reduce my emissions.

I wonder when Colesworths with start offering frequent emmision reduction points rewards cards?

good points, now that yous mention it it doesn’t seem to normalise by speed so they may have this all mixed up

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Date: 27/11/2024 02:48:32
From: kii
ID: 2219184
Subject: re: today I learned

From Badger Run Wildlife Rehab on Facebook

“Pectinate claws are only found in a fraction of the bird species out there. These claws have a comb-like structure made of keratin that is found on the middle toe of some birds. They are THOUGHT to be for grooming/preening, but no one has really nailed down an absolute function for them. Recent data seems to rule out ectoparasite control at least in some species, but not all. Finding a common function for them may be because these pectinate claws seem to have evolved independently in unrelated species. And the appearance of the “combs” can vary widely between those species. Pectinate claws are found in herons, egrets, bitterns, grebes, cormorants, terns, frigatebirds, nightjars, barn owls and dippers. Really wish we could find a photo of a grebe foot that shows the pectinate claw! Something to look for next time we have a grebe in hand.”

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Date: 27/11/2024 07:38:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2219190
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

From Badger Run Wildlife Rehab on Facebook

“Pectinate claws are only found in a fraction of the bird species out there. These claws have a comb-like structure made of keratin that is found on the middle toe of some birds. They are THOUGHT to be for grooming/preening, but no one has really nailed down an absolute function for them. Recent data seems to rule out ectoparasite control at least in some species, but not all. Finding a common function for them may be because these pectinate claws seem to have evolved independently in unrelated species. And the appearance of the “combs” can vary widely between those species. Pectinate claws are found in herons, egrets, bitterns, grebes, cormorants, terns, frigatebirds, nightjars, barn owls and dippers. Really wish we could find a photo of a grebe foot that shows the pectinate claw! Something to look for next time we have a grebe in hand.”


nice

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Date: 27/11/2024 09:21:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2219206
Subject: re: today I learned

good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-11-27/nullarbor-plain-tornado-recorded-storm-weather-event/104638086

the map is pretty funny as well

https://www.publish.csiro.au/ES/ES24023

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Date: 27/11/2024 09:31:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 2219208
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-11-27/nullarbor-plain-tornado-recorded-storm-weather-event/104638086

the map is pretty funny as well

https://www.publish.csiro.au/ES/ES24023

Yeah. I found that interesting. Australian gets many tornadoes that are bever otherwise onserved. My pet name for the road between Ardlethan and Temora is ‘Tornado Alley’. The few roadside trees are often seen all smashed and torn. There was one noight my mother was driving and I asked why don’t you pull over and stop? Trees and branches were crossing the road as if levitated by an unseen force.
Mum replied, “Can’t stop or there is more likelyhood one of those will hit us”.

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Date: 27/11/2024 09:32:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2219209
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-11-27/nullarbor-plain-tornado-recorded-storm-weather-event/104638086

the map is pretty funny as well

https://www.publish.csiro.au/ES/ES24023

Yeah. I found that interesting. Australian gets many tornadoes that are bever otherwise onserved. My pet name for the road between Ardlethan and Temora is ‘Tornado Alley’. The few roadside trees are often seen all smashed and torn. There was one noight my mother was driving and I asked why don’t you pull over and stop? Trees and branches were crossing the road as if levitated by an unseen force.
Mum replied, “Can’t stop or there is more likelyhood one of those will hit us”.

and I can say that I was expecting us too be hit anyway.

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Date: 27/11/2024 09:44:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2219212
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

good

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-11-27/nullarbor-plain-tornado-recorded-storm-weather-event/104638086

the map is pretty funny as well

https://www.publish.csiro.au/ES/ES24023

The mystery tornado should be investigated by Scooby-Doo and his friends, and it’ll turn out to be some local businessman in a mask, who’d have gotten away with it if not for…

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Date: 27/11/2024 14:50:52
From: dv
ID: 2219415
Subject: re: today I learned

There are only two kinds of bears whose range extends to the Southern hemisphere: the Sun Bear ( Helarctos malayanus) and the Andean Bear (Tremarctos ornatus).
There aren’t any bears in Africa.
The last African bear was the Atlas bear which went extinct in the 19th century, and was found in Algeria and Morocco. There have been no bears in southern Africa during historical times.

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Date: 27/11/2024 14:53:25
From: dv
ID: 2219416
Subject: re: today I learned


https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/artifacts/346305

tablet
obverse   blank space
1. ur-gir15-re szu te-ba-ab  en: The dog “take it!”
2. mu-un-zu  en: knew,
3. ga2-ga2 nu-ub!-zu-am3#  en: putting down it did not know.   blank space
reverse   blank space

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Date: 28/11/2024 08:17:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2219554
Subject: re: today I learned

In some sea snakes, cutaneous respiration can account for up to 30 percent of total oxygen uptake and is important when diving, during which blood is shunted away from the lungs and towards capillaries in the skin, in some cases causing the skin to turn pink.

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Date: 28/11/2024 09:00:13
From: dv
ID: 2219564
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

In some sea snakes, cutaneous respiration can account for up to 30 percent of total oxygen uptake and is important when diving, during which blood is shunted away from the lungs and towards capillaries in the skin, in some cases causing the skin to turn pink.

Wait till you read about enteric respiration

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Date: 28/11/2024 09:06:11
From: dv
ID: 2219566
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 28/11/2024 12:56:44
From: dv
ID: 2219678
Subject: re: today I learned

The first rechargeable battery was the lead-acid battery devised by Gaston Plante in 1859

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Date: 28/11/2024 14:45:16
From: dv
ID: 2219697
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Amitron

The AMC Amitron was an experimental electric subcompact car built in 1967 by American Motors Corporation (AMC) and Gulton Industries. It included many advanced features, including regenerative braking and advanced battery designs, to provide a 150-mile (240 km) range on a single charge. Development ended because of technology issues and the high cost of batteries.

In 1977, the prototype was updated and renamed Electron to become one of the automaker’s “Concept 80” show cars.

American Motors’ small concept car was “meant to be a prediction of future subcompact commuter cars.” It introduced technologies that included a revolutionary braking system that took 50 years to become common in the automotive industry.

Powertrain
American Motors entered into a partnership with Gulton Industries of Metuchen, New Jersey (acquired by Mark IV Industries in 1986) to develop the battery and power handling electronics for the car. Their entry into the electric car market was significantly more advanced than other developments, including two types of batteries for fast and slow power release and charging, as well as regenerative brakes to help extend range.<

The primary power source consisted of two 75 lb (34 kg) lithium-nickel-fluoride batteries rated at 150 watt-hours per pound, or 331 watt-hours per kilogram, with a total capacity of 22.5 kWh. The designers selected lithium for the Amitron because “it is both highly reactive (easy to oxidize) and has high electromotive potential.” The downside to these batteries is that they have relatively low instantaneous power, too little to provide reasonable acceleration, or be able to handle the rapid recharging during regenerative braking. A secondary power source consisting of two 24 lb (11 kg) nickel-cadmium (NiCd, often read ni-cad) batteries was used to handle higher power peaks. These batteries could accelerate the car to 50 mph (80 km/h) in 20 seconds. During driving, the lithium batteries recharged the ni-cads, which continued to power the motor.

The regenerative system would automatically switch the drive motors to generators as the car slowed so that the ni-cads could recharge, thus increasing the range of the car. The regenerative braking control was designed “to provide the same brake pedal “feel” as a conventional car. This was the first use of regenerative braking technology in the U.S. automobile industry.

Altogether, the system provided the car with a range of 150-mile (241 km) when traveling at 50 mph (80 km/h). Its total battery weight of only 200 lb (91 kg) was also light for electric vehicles. The equivalent in lead-acid cells would weigh nearly a ton (907 kg). A solid-state power management system controlled the entire system.

The first road tests of the batteries and powertrain were in 1968 using a converted conventional Rambler American sedan. At the time, AMC’s vice president of design, Dick Teague, was working on a car called “the Voltswagon”. The supporters of the Amitron were confident and stated that “We don’t see a major obstacle in the technology. It’s just a matter of time.”

Potential market
American Motors’ original plans were to offer the Amitron for sale to commuters and urban shoppers in five years. Chapin said AMC had discussed the venture with its bankers and creditors, and “they are about as enthusiastic about it”. The Amitron was also well received by the public. The new technology was still in the infant stage and it was not expected to be popular “until the end of the decade.” Competitors were also skeptical of AMC’s rapid deployment, stating it would take ten years to have a practical battery. Moreover, research programs to develop clean transportation in the U.S. ceased. The Amitron did not go beyond the prototype stage. The expensive batteries forced AMC to halt further experiments with advanced technology electric vehicles for several years.

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That’s George Romney’s old company.

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Date: 28/11/2024 16:26:04
From: Ian
ID: 2219722
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Amitron

The AMC Amitron was an experimental electric subcompact car built in 1967 by American Motors Corporation (AMC) and Gulton Industries. It included many advanced features, including regenerative braking and advanced battery designs, to provide a 150-mile (240 km) range on a single charge. Development ended because of technology issues and the high cost of batteries.

In 1977, the prototype was updated and renamed Electron to become one of the automaker’s “Concept 80” show cars.

American Motors’ small concept car was “meant to be a prediction of future subcompact commuter cars.” It introduced technologies that included a revolutionary braking system that took 50 years to become common in the automotive industry.

Powertrain
American Motors entered into a partnership with Gulton Industries of Metuchen, New Jersey (acquired by Mark IV Industries in 1986) to develop the battery and power handling electronics for the car. Their entry into the electric car market was significantly more advanced than other developments, including two types of batteries for fast and slow power release and charging, as well as regenerative brakes to help extend range.<

The primary power source consisted of two 75 lb (34 kg) lithium-nickel-fluoride batteries rated at 150 watt-hours per pound, or 331 watt-hours per kilogram, with a total capacity of 22.5 kWh. The designers selected lithium for the Amitron because “it is both highly reactive (easy to oxidize) and has high electromotive potential.” The downside to these batteries is that they have relatively low instantaneous power, too little to provide reasonable acceleration, or be able to handle the rapid recharging during regenerative braking. A secondary power source consisting of two 24 lb (11 kg) nickel-cadmium (NiCd, often read ni-cad) batteries was used to handle higher power peaks. These batteries could accelerate the car to 50 mph (80 km/h) in 20 seconds. During driving, the lithium batteries recharged the ni-cads, which continued to power the motor.

The regenerative system would automatically switch the drive motors to generators as the car slowed so that the ni-cads could recharge, thus increasing the range of the car. The regenerative braking control was designed “to provide the same brake pedal “feel” as a conventional car. This was the first use of regenerative braking technology in the U.S. automobile industry.

Altogether, the system provided the car with a range of 150-mile (241 km) when traveling at 50 mph (80 km/h). Its total battery weight of only 200 lb (91 kg) was also light for electric vehicles. The equivalent in lead-acid cells would weigh nearly a ton (907 kg). A solid-state power management system controlled the entire system.

The first road tests of the batteries and powertrain were in 1968 using a converted conventional Rambler American sedan. At the time, AMC’s vice president of design, Dick Teague, was working on a car called “the Voltswagon”. The supporters of the Amitron were confident and stated that “We don’t see a major obstacle in the technology. It’s just a matter of time.”

Potential market
American Motors’ original plans were to offer the Amitron for sale to commuters and urban shoppers in five years. Chapin said AMC had discussed the venture with its bankers and creditors, and “they are about as enthusiastic about it”. The Amitron was also well received by the public. The new technology was still in the infant stage and it was not expected to be popular “until the end of the decade.” Competitors were also skeptical of AMC’s rapid deployment, stating it would take ten years to have a practical battery. Moreover, research programs to develop clean transportation in the U.S. ceased. The Amitron did not go beyond the prototype stage. The expensive batteries forced AMC to halt further experiments with advanced technology electric vehicles for several years.

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That’s George Romney’s old company.

Inspiration for the horrible Cybertruck?

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Date: 30/11/2024 00:34:59
From: dv
ID: 2220251
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1935, after her brief stint as a chorus girl and session singer at MGM, Walt Disney hired Caselotti as the voice of the heroine, Snow White. She was paid a total of $970 for working on the film (equivalent to $20,559 in 2023). She was not credited for the role, and had trouble finding new opportunities later in life. Jack Benny specifically mentioned that he had asked Walt Disney for permission to use her on his radio show and was told, “I’m sorry, but that voice can’t be used anywhere. I don’t want to spoil the illusion of Snow White.”

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Date: 30/11/2024 00:45:04
From: furious
ID: 2220253
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 1935, after her brief stint as a chorus girl and session singer at MGM, Walt Disney hired Caselotti as the voice of the heroine, Snow White. She was paid a total of $970 for working on the film (equivalent to $20,559 in 2023). She was not credited for the role, and had trouble finding new opportunities later in life. Jack Benny specifically mentioned that he had asked Walt Disney for permission to use her on his radio show and was told, “I’m sorry, but that voice can’t be used anywhere. I don’t want to spoil the illusion of Snow White.”

Yes, but the thing is, about Walt Disney; the thing you have to remember about Walt Disney; Walt Disney… Walt Disney was a prat…

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Date: 30/11/2024 00:45:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2220254
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 1935, after her brief stint as a chorus girl and session singer at MGM, Walt Disney hired Caselotti as the voice of the heroine, Snow White. She was paid a total of $970 for working on the film (equivalent to $20,559 in 2023). She was not credited for the role, and had trouble finding new opportunities later in life. Jack Benny specifically mentioned that he had asked Walt Disney for permission to use her on his radio show and was told, “I’m sorry, but that voice can’t be used anywhere. I don’t want to spoil the illusion of Snow White.”

that’s hardly fair.

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Date: 30/11/2024 00:58:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 2220257
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

In 1935, after her brief stint as a chorus girl and session singer at MGM, Walt Disney hired Caselotti as the voice of the heroine, Snow White. She was paid a total of $970 for working on the film (equivalent to $20,559 in 2023). She was not credited for the role, and had trouble finding new opportunities later in life. Jack Benny specifically mentioned that he had asked Walt Disney for permission to use her on his radio show and was told, “I’m sorry, but that voice can’t be used anywhere. I don’t want to spoil the illusion of Snow White.”

that’s hardly fair.

He should have given her an income for life if he wanted to own her voice.

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Date: 30/11/2024 01:33:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2220259
Subject: re: today I learned

imagine if all these oligarchs got ahead by playing fair

LOL

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Date: 30/11/2024 08:17:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2220291
Subject: re: today I learned

of Karl Weierstrass

I’m sure I’ve learned of him before, but I don’t recall the name.

And he’s an interesting sort of chap.

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Date: 30/11/2024 08:37:14
From: dv
ID: 2220292
Subject: re: today I learned

The 1922 film Nosferatu is now considered a classic. It introduced new elements to vampire lore and was a landmark film in the horror genre.
However, it was very nearly a lost work. Although the film does not mention the name Dracula, it was quite clear that the plot derived from the novel by Bram Stoker. Stoker’s widow Florence Balcombe successfully sued Prana Film, and the court ordered that all copies of the film were to be destroyed. This was carried out in Germany, but luckily a few copies has been sent to the United States, though it was not shown there until many years later.

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Date: 30/11/2024 08:38:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2220293
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Karl Weierstrass

I’m sure I’ve learned of him before, but I don’t recall the name.

And he’s an interesting sort of chap.

have heard of h’

these Karls they’re pretty neat hey

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Date: 30/11/2024 08:41:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2220295
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Karl Weierstrass

I’m sure I’ve learned of him before, but I don’t recall the name.

And he’s an interesting sort of chap.

Influential. Look at his doctoral students.

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Date: 30/11/2024 09:55:08
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2220313
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

Link

an unusual artist.

Henry Joseph Darger Jr. (/ˈdɑːrɡər/ DAR-ghər; April 12, 1892 – April 13, 1973) was an American writer, novelist and artist who worked as a hospital custodian in Chicago, Illinois. He has become famous for his posthumously recovered 15,145-page manuscript for a fantasy novel titled The Story of the Vivian Girls, along with several hundred drawings and watercolor illustrations for the story and two further works of literature.

The visual subject matter of his work ranges from idyllic scenes in Edwardian interiors and tranquil flowered landscapes populated by children and fantastic creatures, to scenes of horrific terror and carnage depicting young children being tortured and massacred.: 106  Much of his artwork is mixed media with collage elements. Darger’s artwork has become one of the most celebrated examples of outsider art.

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Date: 30/11/2024 10:05:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2220318
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Darger

Link

an unusual artist.

Henry Joseph Darger Jr. (/ˈdɑːrɡər/ DAR-ghər; April 12, 1892 – April 13, 1973) was an American writer, novelist and artist who worked as a hospital custodian in Chicago, Illinois. He has become famous for his posthumously recovered 15,145-page manuscript for a fantasy novel titled The Story of the Vivian Girls, along with several hundred drawings and watercolor illustrations for the story and two further works of literature.

The visual subject matter of his work ranges from idyllic scenes in Edwardian interiors and tranquil flowered landscapes populated by children and fantastic creatures, to scenes of horrific terror and carnage depicting young children being tortured and massacred.: 106  Much of his artwork is mixed media with collage elements. Darger’s artwork has become one of the most celebrated examples of outsider art.

His art is stunning, but suggestive of an obsessional drive. It reminds me of some other artist, but my art education is not sufficient to help me identify who, or what style.

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Date: 30/11/2024 10:42:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2220333
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

His art is stunning, but suggestive of an obsessional drive. It reminds me of some other artist, but my art education is not sufficient to help me identify who, or what style.


There’s a Guardian article from 2005 about Darger, and about his film biography, ‘In The Realms of the Unreal’.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2005/jan/12/art

and the film can be found on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlvDKcDvsI

Looks to be quite interesting.

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Date: 1/12/2024 03:00:17
From: kii
ID: 2220672
Subject: re: today I learned

Narwhal.

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Date: 1/12/2024 04:02:44
From: dv
ID: 2220676
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Narwhal.

Good

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Date: 1/12/2024 04:20:24
From: dv
ID: 2220677
Subject: re: today I learned

I previously considered the hyena to be restricted to Africa and the near East but I now know they are found as far north as Georgia and as far East as Nepal.

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Date: 1/12/2024 04:59:30
From: kii
ID: 2220678
Subject: re: today I learned

Notre Dame is looking better, 5 years after looking not so good.

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Date: 1/12/2024 12:45:20
From: dv
ID: 2220800
Subject: re: today I learned

For 20 years, the Shanghai Maglev was the fastest train in regular passenger service, tapping a peak speed of 431 km/h.

A couple of years ago the top speed was reduced to 300 km/h. (That’s the TIL part).

At present, then, the fastest trains in regular service are the CR400AF trains in use in China and KCIC400AF in use in Indonesia, which have a design top speed of 420 km/h but operate at 350 km/h in regular passenger service. The maintenance and operational costs start to increase rapidly past speeds of 350 km/h.

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Date: 1/12/2024 12:50:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2220804
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


For 20 years, the Shanghai Maglev was the fastest train in regular passenger service, tapping a peak speed of 431 km/h.

A couple of years ago the top speed was reduced to 300 km/h. (That’s the TIL part).

At present, then, the fastest trains in regular service are the CR400AF trains in use in China and KCIC400AF in use in Indonesia, which have a design top speed of 420 km/h but operate at 350 km/h in regular passenger service. The maintenance and operational costs start to increase rapidly past speeds of 350 km/h.

I thought they went faster than that in Japan, but TATE says:

The maximum operating speed is 320 km/h (200 mph) (on a 387.5 km (241 mi) section of the Tōhoku Shinkansen). Test runs have reached 443 km/h (275 mph) for conventional rail in 1996, and up to a world record 603 km/h (375 mph) for SCMaglev trains in April 2015.

Didn’t check Europe.

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Date: 1/12/2024 12:54:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2220805
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


For 20 years, the Shanghai Maglev was the fastest train in regular passenger service, tapping a peak speed of 431 km/h.

A couple of years ago the top speed was reduced to 300 km/h. (That’s the TIL part).

At present, then, the fastest trains in regular service are the CR400AF trains in use in China and KCIC400AF in use in Indonesia, which have a design top speed of 420 km/h but operate at 350 km/h in regular passenger service. The maintenance and operational costs start to increase rapidly past speeds of 350 km/h.

Someone doing the right thing and walking home from the pub on a Friday night and trying to retrieve his hat from the railway tracks wouldn’t stand a chance.

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Date: 1/12/2024 12:56:22
From: party_pants
ID: 2220806
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

For 20 years, the Shanghai Maglev was the fastest train in regular passenger service, tapping a peak speed of 431 km/h.

A couple of years ago the top speed was reduced to 300 km/h. (That’s the TIL part).

At present, then, the fastest trains in regular service are the CR400AF trains in use in China and KCIC400AF in use in Indonesia, which have a design top speed of 420 km/h but operate at 350 km/h in regular passenger service. The maintenance and operational costs start to increase rapidly past speeds of 350 km/h.

I thought they went faster than that in Japan, but TATE says:

The maximum operating speed is 320 km/h (200 mph) (on a 387.5 km (241 mi) section of the Tōhoku Shinkansen). Test runs have reached 443 km/h (275 mph) for conventional rail in 1996, and up to a world record 603 km/h (375 mph) for SCMaglev trains in April 2015.

Didn’t check Europe.

There’s some in Italy that can do 360 km/h. But i am not sure if they ever run at top speed in operational service.

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Date: 1/12/2024 12:57:40
From: party_pants
ID: 2220807
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

For 20 years, the Shanghai Maglev was the fastest train in regular passenger service, tapping a peak speed of 431 km/h.

A couple of years ago the top speed was reduced to 300 km/h. (That’s the TIL part).

At present, then, the fastest trains in regular service are the CR400AF trains in use in China and KCIC400AF in use in Indonesia, which have a design top speed of 420 km/h but operate at 350 km/h in regular passenger service. The maintenance and operational costs start to increase rapidly past speeds of 350 km/h.

Someone doing the right thing and walking home from the pub on a Friday night and trying to retrieve his hat from the railway tracks wouldn’t stand a chance.

In an ideal world they should be completely fenced off and grade-separated to avoid such accidents.

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Date: 1/12/2024 21:02:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2220962
Subject: re: today I learned

Continuous welded rail.
Interesting, a bit of a refresher for me.
https://youtu.be/zqmOSMAtadc

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Date: 2/12/2024 09:19:04
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221003
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_columnaris

Link

A 2017 study found that trees tend to have a tilt dependent on the hemisphere of their location, growing upright on the Equator but leaning south in the northern hemisphere and north in the southern hemisphere

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Date: 2/12/2024 09:35:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2221005
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_columnaris

Link

A 2017 study found that trees tend to have a tilt dependent on the hemisphere of their location, growing upright on the Equator but leaning south in the northern hemisphere and north in the southern hemisphere

But how reliable areJohns, J. W.; Yost, J. M.; Nicolle, D.; Igic, B.; Ritter, M. K.

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Date: 2/12/2024 10:09:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2221017
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_columnaris

Link

A 2017 study found that trees tend to have a tilt dependent on the hemisphere of their location, growing upright on the Equator but leaning south in the northern hemisphere and north in the southern hemisphere

The north leans of the planted Cook Pines near the beach here are quite obvious. The native Araucarias (Araucaria cunninghamii) do not display the lean.

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Date: 2/12/2024 10:34:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2221022
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_columnaris

Link

A 2017 study found that trees tend to have a tilt dependent on the hemisphere of their location, growing upright on the Equator but leaning south in the northern hemisphere and north in the southern hemisphere

The north leans of the planted Cook Pines near the beach here are quite obvious. The native Araucarias (Araucaria cunninghamii) do not display the lean.

Yes. I’ve noticed that where I’ve seen planted Cook Pines.

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Date: 2/12/2024 12:02:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221062
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_columnaris

Link

A 2017 study found that trees tend to have a tilt dependent on the hemisphere of their location, growing upright on the Equator but leaning south in the northern hemisphere and north in the southern hemisphere

The north leans of the planted Cook Pines near the beach here are quite obvious. The native Araucarias (Araucaria cunninghamii) do not display the lean.

Yes. I’ve noticed that where I’ve seen planted Cook Pines.

wait next they’ll tell us that sunflowers face the sun

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Date: 2/12/2024 12:04:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 2221064
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

The north leans of the planted Cook Pines near the beach here are quite obvious. The native Araucarias (Araucaria cunninghamii) do not display the lean.

Yes. I’ve noticed that where I’ve seen planted Cook Pines.

wait next they’ll tell us that sunflowers face the sun

Or that they follow the sun?

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Date: 2/12/2024 12:06:13
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221065
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. I’ve noticed that where I’ve seen planted Cook Pines.

wait next they’ll tell us that sunflowers face the sun

Or that they follow the sun?

what about watermelons

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Date: 2/12/2024 12:08:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2221067
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

wait next they’ll tell us that sunflowers face the sun

Or that they follow the sun?

what about watermelons

You can eat them and wash your ears at the same time?

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Date: 2/12/2024 13:15:30
From: kii
ID: 2221119
Subject: re: today I learned

🌟📸 Spectacular Snapshot of a Toad-Headed Agama! 🦎✨

This quirky, wide-eyed reptile is the toad-headed agama, a desert dweller found in Central Asia’s sandy landscapes. Known for its unique head shape and playful “push-up” displays, this lizard is perfectly camouflaged against its surroundings.

✨ Fun Fact: When threatened, it flattens its body and opens its mouth wide to scare predators, like a mini desert warrior!

📸 Milan Zygmunt

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Date: 2/12/2024 13:17:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2221120
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


🌟📸 Spectacular Snapshot of a Toad-Headed Agama! 🦎✨

This quirky, wide-eyed reptile is the toad-headed agama, a desert dweller found in Central Asia’s sandy landscapes. Known for its unique head shape and playful “push-up” displays, this lizard is perfectly camouflaged against its surroundings.

✨ Fun Fact: When threatened, it flattens its body and opens its mouth wide to scare predators, like a mini desert warrior!

📸 Milan Zygmunt


Had never seen one of those before. Awesome creatures.

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Date: 2/12/2024 13:22:32
From: Michael V
ID: 2221127
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


🌟📸 Spectacular Snapshot of a Toad-Headed Agama! 🦎✨

This quirky, wide-eyed reptile is the toad-headed agama, a desert dweller found in Central Asia’s sandy landscapes. Known for its unique head shape and playful “push-up” displays, this lizard is perfectly camouflaged against its surroundings.

✨ Fun Fact: When threatened, it flattens its body and opens its mouth wide to scare predators, like a mini desert warrior!

📸 Milan Zygmunt


Thanks for the introduction.

:)

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Date: 2/12/2024 16:23:46
From: Neophyte
ID: 2221226
Subject: re: today I learned

Haiti was the only colony to be presented, on independence, with a bill for compensation of its colonizer’s financial loss. This may have to do with it also being the only colony that achieved independence via slave revolt.

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Date: 2/12/2024 16:27:46
From: dv
ID: 2221234
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Haiti was the only colony to be presented, on independence, with a bill for compensation of its colonizer’s financial loss. This may have to do with it also being the only colony that achieved independence via slave revolt.

The UK should invoice the US like that

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Date: 2/12/2024 16:30:09
From: Arts
ID: 2221238
Subject: re: today I learned

There was a couple in Bluff, NZ who covered their walls with polished Paua shells.. then eventually opened the house up for visitors.

Fred Flutey started polishing the shells as a hobby, his wife, Myrtle, got annoyed at all the shells lying around the house so she started mailing them to the walls and so the Paua house was born.

I also learned about Paua (abalone)

I also learned that the Kiwis claim pavlova… and there’s been a semi silent war between the two nations over the dessert… to which I say, they can have it

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Date: 2/12/2024 21:14:52
From: tauto
ID: 2221341
Subject: re: today I learned

Uncle Fester in the Adams Family TV show, Jackie Coogan, was first married to Betty Grable

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Date: 2/12/2024 21:16:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2221342
Subject: re: today I learned

tauto said:


Uncle Fester in the Adams Family TV show, Jackie Coogan, was first married to Betty Grable

Well there you go.

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Date: 3/12/2024 08:36:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221411
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 3/12/2024 08:55:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221415
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


weighs

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Date: 3/12/2024 09:42:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221419
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:


weighs

weigh-eigh!

Quite apart from describing the centrifugal force on the valve as a “weight”, that must be quite a small wheel they are talking about.

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Date: 3/12/2024 09:49:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2221421
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:


weighs

weigh-eigh!

Quite apart from describing the centrifugal force on the valve as a “weight”, that must be quite a small wheel they are talking about.

I’ll check their claim, thenext time i hit 150 mph on theroad.

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Date: 3/12/2024 09:59:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221426
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

weighs

weigh-eigh!

Quite apart from describing the centrifugal force on the valve as a “weight”, that must be quite a small wheel they are talking about.

I’ll check their claim, thenext time i hit 150 mph on theroad.

Sure but say for convenience that is 252 km/h which makes 70 m/s at a radius of say 300 mm then it requires centripetal acceleration of 16000 m/s^2 equivalent to 1600G so 6 g would be like 10 kg would it not¿

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Date: 3/12/2024 10:10:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221432
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

weigh-eigh!

Quite apart from describing the centrifugal force on the valve as a “weight”, that must be quite a small wheel they are talking about.

I’ll check their claim, thenext time i hit 150 mph on theroad.

Sure but say for convenience that is 252 km/h which makes 70 m/s at a radius of say 300 mm then it requires centripetal acceleration of 16000 m/s^2 equivalent to 1600G so 6 g would be like 10 kg would it not¿

At least one of us must have made a computation error.

I assume it was me, but dog is demanding a leisurely stroll, so I won’t go and check.

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Date: 3/12/2024 14:28:53
From: dv
ID: 2221514
Subject: re: today I learned

Thoth means ibis-like

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Date: 3/12/2024 14:56:53
From: Tamb
ID: 2221535
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Thoth means ibis-like

Ibis like a bin chicken.

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:03:40
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221647
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:12:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221649
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

looks fkn ugly tbh

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:19:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221652
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

looks fkn ugly tbh

well, now you’ve hurt my feelings.

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:26:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2221654
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

looks fkn ugly tbh

well, now you’ve hurt my feelings.

There there, come and have a nice cup of tea.

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:30:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221656
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

looks fkn ugly tbh

well, now you’ve hurt my feelings.

There there, come and have a nice cup of tea.

got any worms?

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Date: 3/12/2024 20:30:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221657
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

looks fkn ugly tbh

well, now you’ve hurt my feelings.

sorry

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Date: 3/12/2024 22:54:34
From: Kingy
ID: 2221680
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

A copy of the front end of a Rolls, but with minor changes.

They need to decide whether they are a sports car company or a luxury car company.

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Date: 3/12/2024 22:59:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221681
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


JudgeMental said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3209000892570701

Link

possibly the new electric Jaguar.

I like it.

A copy of the front end of a Rolls, but with minor changes.

They need to decide whether they are a sports car company or a luxury car company.

they make both.

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:39:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221787
Subject: re: today I learned

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:42:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221792
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:44:17
From: Tamb
ID: 2221796
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.


Thanks. Now I wont have to faff around doing that the long way.

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:45:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221797
Subject: re: today I learned

what if we want to buy beef for the barbi’ cheap on the domestic market though

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-12-04/beef-exporter-acc-learns-from-china-trade-war-licence-reinstated/104681178

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:46:00
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221798
Subject: re: today I learned

https://theconversation.com/97-of-adult-australians-have-limited-skills-to-verify-information-online-new-report-243595

Link

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:48:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221801
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

By selecting the cell with the formula and looking in the edit bar and/or press F2.

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Date: 4/12/2024 09:58:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2221807
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:00:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2221812
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

I don’t use excel.

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:01:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221813
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

By selecting the cell with the formula and looking in the edit bar and/or press F2.

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

Fair enough we think we learnt it back when we wanted to bulk copy formulas and wanted to watch what we were doing with them carefully.

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:02:09
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221815
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

Yeah, the shortcut is to make all the formulas display as formulas, which I rarely want to do, so that is why I didn’t know the shortcut.

Might come in handy sometimes though.

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:06:10
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221819
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

that pressing Ctrl+` in Excel will toggle between displaying formulas and displaying their values.

Where ` is under the ~ symbol, to the left of the 1 key.

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

By selecting the cell with the formula and looking in the edit bar and/or press F2.

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

I don’t use excel.

Yeah, the shortcut is to make all the formulas display as formulas, which I rarely want to do, so that is why I didn’t know the shortcut.

Might come in handy sometimes though.

oh yes that would have been it

we thank JudgeMental for reminding us

we were bulk copying formulas to our text editor of choice at the time, maybe 500 Ms ago now, and it was the only way we could find to do it

probably doing some kind of image processing slash neural network 爱 at the time we think

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:09:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2221822
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

oh yeah that was a useful trick we discovered, how were you viewing formulas before though

Me: I click on the cell and look in the formula bar above. Not too onerous.

I don’t use excel.

Whispers:

I don’t either – I use OpenOfficeOrg Calc, which is like an earlier version of Excel.

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:09:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2221823
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

I don’t use excel.

Yeah, the shortcut is to make all the formulas display as formulas, which I rarely want to do, so that is why I didn’t know the shortcut.

Might come in handy sometimes though.

oh yes that would have been it

we thank JudgeMental for reminding us

we were bulk copying formulas to our text editor of choice at the time, maybe 500 Ms ago now, and it was the only way we could find to do it

probably doing some kind of image processing slash neural network 爱 at the time we think

Not sure why you’d want to bulk copy formulas to a text editor, but each to their own,

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:10:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2221824
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yeah, the shortcut is to make all the formulas display as formulas, which I rarely want to do, so that is why I didn’t know the shortcut.

Might come in handy sometimes though.

oh yes that would have been it

we thank JudgeMental for reminding us

we were bulk copying formulas to our text editor of choice at the time, maybe 500 Ms ago now, and it was the only way we could find to do it

probably doing some kind of image processing slash neural network 爱 at the time we think

Not sure why you’d want to bulk copy formulas to a text editor, but each to their own,

good point maybe we were just looking to do a replace all on formulas rather than values

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Date: 4/12/2024 10:13:27
From: Tamb
ID: 2221825
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yeah, the shortcut is to make all the formulas display as formulas, which I rarely want to do, so that is why I didn’t know the shortcut.

Might come in handy sometimes though.

oh yes that would have been it

we thank JudgeMental for reminding us

we were bulk copying formulas to our text editor of choice at the time, maybe 500 Ms ago now, and it was the only way we could find to do it

probably doing some kind of image processing slash neural network 爱 at the time we think

Not sure why you’d want to bulk copy formulas to a text editor, but each to their own,


I need to annually update a 13 column spreadsheet. This will help nicely.

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:35:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2222064
Subject: re: today I learned

of John “Bud” Benson Wilbur and the Paynterscope

via New Scientist

You have probably never heard of John “Bud” Benson Wilbur, but he is a low-key civil engineering legend. In the mid-20th century, he was chair of the civil and sanitary engineering department at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He built some major bridges in Massachusetts and helped prototype the first wind power systems in Vermont. But I first encountered his work in a silly-but-serious essay called “Whither civil engineering?”, published in the March 1952 issue of The Technology Review. In it, Wilbur claimed he and his colleagues had invented a crystal ball for seeing the future called the Paynterscope.

The Paynterscope, Wilbur wrote, revealed the distant-future world of 1977. Africa had become a Wakanda-like paradise full of farms, clean rivers and high-tech systems for weather control and water management. The US was criss-crossed with conveyor belts for rapidly transporting freight, while roads were surfaced with a sustainable, durable version of rubber, making the infrastructure more resilient. A transit tunnel whisked cars below the English Channel (yes – he predicted the Chunnel). There were dozens of other gee-whiz inventions, but most of them were like these: improvements to old, bog-standard tech to help humans stay comfortable and healthy.

At one point in his essay, Wilbur described his co-authors using the Paynterscope to peer into the future waterways of the US. They exclaimed happily: “Don’t those streams and lakes look fine? No more pollution!” By the 1970s, they imagined that engineers would have figured out how to treat sewage quickly and cheaply.

Wilbur’s humble, self-satirising style of futurism is a stark contrast with our current era, where cutting-edge engineering projects are generally pitched as ways to maximise profit for corporations and optimise or eliminate human labour. Wilbur’s vision shows us science serving the public good.

He spent most of the 1950s working with a colleague at MIT, Robert Hansen, on designs for bombproof buildings that could withstand the blast of an atomic weapon. Wilbur made joking reference to this in his article, describing looking through the Paynterscope to see how many of their buildings survived into the 1970s. To his surprise, he discovered that few were in existence and that it “appeared atomic warfare was no longer a major consideration”.

In Wilbur’s distant-future vision of 1977, a transit tunnel whisked cars below the English Channel

Wilbur concluded that this, too, could be credited to good civil engineers: by the 70s, he imagined that advances in civil engineering would have increased sustainable energy and food supplies, improved the environment and created resilient public transport to distribute resources globally. “All of these activities had contributed directly to a higher standard of living throughout the world, and thus had helped to remove one of the major causes of war,” he wrote. Living in the aftermath of war, Wilbur wanted to build a better world – literally – using resource abundance to steer people away from violent conflict.

Interestingly, Hansen wrote his own futurist essay for The Technology Review, years later in 1967, where he suggested a different solution to resource scarcity: using genetic engineering to create “small man”, tiny people who used less food and energy. This idea, often referenced in sci-fi, became notorious as an example of odious futurism, focused on controlling people’s bodies instead of making it easier for them to thrive in the bodies they have.

Unfortunately, a lot of futurism today sounds more like Hansen’s “small man” essay than Wilbur’s fanciful musings. Venture capitalists, who are essentially economic futurists, are hyping artificial intelligence with the promise of shrinking human creators down to nothing. Silicon Valley’s billionaire leaders are investing in separatist, libertarian “network states” run on cryptocurrency, while neighbouring areas experience housing shortages and drought.

Wilbur’s long-forgotten essay offers us a different way of thinking about what comes next. The mind-blowing engineering achievements of tomorrow could involve cleaning up the environment and making healthcare, housing and transport work brilliantly for everyone.

In the 1960s, Wilbur retired to Woodstock, a village on the border of New Hampshire and Vermont. He lived there until his death in 1996 and stayed active by creating a summer programme for civil engineering students who wanted to try their hands at solving real-world problems in an actual town.

For Wilbur, good engineering offered the promise of a healthy life, without war, on a planet with clean water and plentiful food for the public. It isn’t glamorous, and it probably wouldn’t get the big venture capital money. But it might just help us build a better world.

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:39:52
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2222065
Subject: re: today I learned

Don’t ask why.

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:40:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222066
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of John “Bud” Benson Wilbur and the Paynterscope

via New Scientist

You have probably never heard of John “Bud” Benson Wilbur, but he is a low-key civil engineering legend. In the mid-20th century, he was chair of the civil and sanitary engineering department at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He built some major bridges in Massachusetts and helped prototype the first wind power systems in Vermont. But I first encountered his work in a silly-but-serious essay called “Whither civil engineering?”, published in the March 1952 issue of The Technology Review. In it, Wilbur claimed he and his colleagues had invented a crystal ball for seeing the future called the Paynterscope.

The Paynterscope, Wilbur wrote, revealed the distant-future world of 1977. Africa had become a Wakanda-like paradise full of farms, clean rivers and high-tech systems for weather control and water management. The US was criss-crossed with conveyor belts for rapidly transporting freight, while roads were surfaced with a sustainable, durable version of rubber, making the infrastructure more resilient. A transit tunnel whisked cars below the English Channel (yes – he predicted the Chunnel). There were dozens of other gee-whiz inventions, but most of them were like these: improvements to old, bog-standard tech to help humans stay comfortable and healthy.

At one point in his essay, Wilbur described his co-authors using the Paynterscope to peer into the future waterways of the US. They exclaimed happily: “Don’t those streams and lakes look fine? No more pollution!” By the 1970s, they imagined that engineers would have figured out how to treat sewage quickly and cheaply.

Wilbur’s humble, self-satirising style of futurism is a stark contrast with our current era, where cutting-edge engineering projects are generally pitched as ways to maximise profit for corporations and optimise or eliminate human labour. Wilbur’s vision shows us science serving the public good.

He spent most of the 1950s working with a colleague at MIT, Robert Hansen, on designs for bombproof buildings that could withstand the blast of an atomic weapon. Wilbur made joking reference to this in his article, describing looking through the Paynterscope to see how many of their buildings survived into the 1970s. To his surprise, he discovered that few were in existence and that it “appeared atomic warfare was no longer a major consideration”.

In Wilbur’s distant-future vision of 1977, a transit tunnel whisked cars below the English Channel

Wilbur concluded that this, too, could be credited to good civil engineers: by the 70s, he imagined that advances in civil engineering would have increased sustainable energy and food supplies, improved the environment and created resilient public transport to distribute resources globally. “All of these activities had contributed directly to a higher standard of living throughout the world, and thus had helped to remove one of the major causes of war,” he wrote. Living in the aftermath of war, Wilbur wanted to build a better world – literally – using resource abundance to steer people away from violent conflict.

Interestingly, Hansen wrote his own futurist essay for The Technology Review, years later in 1967, where he suggested a different solution to resource scarcity: using genetic engineering to create “small man”, tiny people who used less food and energy. This idea, often referenced in sci-fi, became notorious as an example of odious futurism, focused on controlling people’s bodies instead of making it easier for them to thrive in the bodies they have.

Unfortunately, a lot of futurism today sounds more like Hansen’s “small man” essay than Wilbur’s fanciful musings. Venture capitalists, who are essentially economic futurists, are hyping artificial intelligence with the promise of shrinking human creators down to nothing. Silicon Valley’s billionaire leaders are investing in separatist, libertarian “network states” run on cryptocurrency, while neighbouring areas experience housing shortages and drought.

Wilbur’s long-forgotten essay offers us a different way of thinking about what comes next. The mind-blowing engineering achievements of tomorrow could involve cleaning up the environment and making healthcare, housing and transport work brilliantly for everyone.

In the 1960s, Wilbur retired to Woodstock, a village on the border of New Hampshire and Vermont. He lived there until his death in 1996 and stayed active by creating a summer programme for civil engineering students who wanted to try their hands at solving real-world problems in an actual town.

For Wilbur, good engineering offered the promise of a healthy life, without war, on a planet with clean water and plentiful food for the public. It isn’t glamorous, and it probably wouldn’t get the big venture capital money. But it might just help us build a better world.

He was optimistic and it appears he carried this through to his latter days.

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:41:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222067
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Don’t ask why.

OK, I won’t.

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:55:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2222073
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


Don’t ask why.

I blame the vampires:

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Date: 5/12/2024 08:56:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222075
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

Don’t ask why.

I blame the vampires:


Good one.

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Date: 5/12/2024 09:05:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2222081
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

Don’t ask why.

I blame the vampires:


LOLOLOLOL

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Date: 5/12/2024 09:38:06
From: dv
ID: 2222098
Subject: re: today I learned

In 2011, Marius Els, 40, an army major, was bitten to death by the 1.2 tonne hippo he christened Humphrey and tried to domesticate on a farm in Free State province.

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Date: 5/12/2024 09:40:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2222100
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 2011, Marius Els, 40, an army major, was bitten to death by the 1.2 tonne hippo he christened Humphrey and tried to domesticate on a farm in Free State province.

I remember that.

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Date: 5/12/2024 10:31:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222119
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 2011, Marius Els, 40, an army major, was bitten to death by the 1.2 tonne hippo he christened Humphrey and tried to domesticate on a farm in Free State province.

Did his epitaph say ‘silly bugger’?

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Date: 5/12/2024 12:27:17
From: esselte
ID: 2222179
Subject: re: today I learned

The heart is a tube that can be unfolded.

The myocardial structure is not a network but a continuous muscle with a helical anisotropic disposition of the myocardial fibers.

https://www.reccardioclinics.org/es-evidence-that-myocardium-is-continuous-articulo-S2605153222000073

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Date: 5/12/2024 12:30:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222182
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


The heart is a tube that can be unfolded.

The myocardial structure is not a network but a continuous muscle with a helical anisotropic disposition of the myocardial fibers.

https://www.reccardioclinics.org/es-evidence-that-myocardium-is-continuous-articulo-S2605153222000073


Thanks for that fascinating information.

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Date: 5/12/2024 12:33:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2222185
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:


The heart is a tube that can be unfolded.

The myocardial structure is not a network but a continuous muscle with a helical anisotropic disposition of the myocardial fibers.

https://www.reccardioclinics.org/es-evidence-that-myocardium-is-continuous-articulo-S2605153222000073


How interesting. Thanks for sharing.

:)

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Date: 5/12/2024 12:39:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2222189
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

esselte said:

The heart is a tube that can be unfolded.

The myocardial structure is not a network but a continuous muscle with a helical anisotropic disposition of the myocardial fibers.

https://www.reccardioclinics.org/es-evidence-that-myocardium-is-continuous-articulo-S2605153222000073


Thanks for that fascinating information.

How interesting. Thanks for sharing.

:)

now unfold a live one

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:07:14
From: dv
ID: 2222240
Subject: re: today I learned

PWM’s question did make me wonder who was the first president of the USA to be born in the USA.

Seems the answer is 8th president Martin van Buren.

However, van Buren was born between the Declaration of Independence and the drafting of the Constitution. An argument could be made that the first to be clearly a US citizen at birth was 10th president John Tyler.

The first to seventh, the ninth, and the twelfth presidents were not born in the USA.

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:09:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222244
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PWM’s question did make me wonder who was the first president of the USA to be born in the USA.

Seems the answer is 8th president Martin van Buren.

However, van Buren was born between the Declaration of Independence and the drafting of the Constitution. An argument could be made that the first to be clearly a US citizen at birth was 10th president John Tyler.

The first to seventh, the ninth, and the twelfth presidents were not born in the USA.

ta.

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:11:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2222246
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


PWM’s question did make me wonder who was the first president of the USA to be born in the USA.

Seems the answer is 8th president Martin van Buren.

However, van Buren was born between the Declaration of Independence and the drafting of the Constitution. An argument could be made that the first to be clearly a US citizen at birth was 10th president John Tyler.

The first to seventh, the ninth, and the twelfth presidents were not born in the USA.

Born in the USA, I was born in the USA……

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:42:19
From: Ian
ID: 2222269
Subject: re: today I learned

Some bloke called Michel Barnier has been PM of France for 3 months.. only

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:51:08
From: dv
ID: 2222272
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Some bloke called Michel Barnier has been PM of France for 3 months.. only

But not any more and I am predicting the next will also have a brief reign

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:52:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222274
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Ian said:

Some bloke called Michel Barnier has been PM of France for 3 months.. only

But not any more and I am predicting the next will also have a brief reign

Looking pretty shaky.

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Date: 5/12/2024 14:58:56
From: Ian
ID: 2222278
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Ian said:

Some bloke called Michel Barnier has been PM of France for 3 months.. only

But not any more and I am predicting the next will also have a brief reign

The Frogs are revolting again.. again..

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Date: 5/12/2024 15:03:17
From: dv
ID: 2222279
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


dv said:

Ian said:

Some bloke called Michel Barnier has been PM of France for 3 months.. only

But not any more and I am predicting the next will also have a brief reign

The Frogs are revolting again.. again..

The French PM doesn’t have a lot of independent power, unlike the President.

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Date: 5/12/2024 17:16:55
From: dv
ID: 2222346
Subject: re: today I learned

Peter Tork’s last name was Thorkelson.

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Date: 5/12/2024 17:29:56
From: Cymek
ID: 2222348
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peter Tork’s last name was Thorkelson.

We will have none of that type of tork here

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Date: 5/12/2024 17:34:20
From: kii
ID: 2222350
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peter Tork’s last name was Thorkelson.

I knew that.
I was also a member of a primary school group of girls who did the coordinated Monkee’s walk around the playground at recess and lunch.

Just because.

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Date: 5/12/2024 17:43:27
From: Cymek
ID: 2222351
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

Peter Tork’s last name was Thorkelson.

I knew that.
I was also a member of a primary school group of girls who did the coordinated Monkee’s walk around the playground at recess and lunch.

Just because.

Cause you were monkeying around of course

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Date: 5/12/2024 18:20:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2222365
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peter Tork’s last name was Thorkelson.

I went to a live The Monkees concert, way back then.

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Date: 5/12/2024 20:59:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2222421
Subject: re: today I learned

I never knew beavers were in Europe.
Anway it’s not a bad nature doco about the Oder delta.

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Date: 5/12/2024 21:00:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2222423
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


I never knew beavers were in Europe.
Anway it’s not a bad nature doco about the Oder delta.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/webcontent/web-content/vi-BeXsiBumNLU9TQ?vid=0ELebC-Uc8w&provider=yt&ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=620a1d475e284ed78e05536fa515ee74&ei=42

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Date: 5/12/2024 21:03:00
From: dv
ID: 2222425
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


I never knew beavers were in Europe.
Anway it’s not a bad nature doco about the Oder delta.

That’s kind of a weird thing for you not to know.

Do they beav?

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Date: 5/12/2024 21:08:32
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2222426
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

I never knew beavers were in Europe.
Anway it’s not a bad nature doco about the Oder delta.

That’s kind of a weird thing for you not to know.

Do they beav?

Contrary to popular belief I’m not inflatable.

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Date: 6/12/2024 14:41:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2222699
Subject: re: today I learned

An American computer scientist named Peter Norvig brought it to its greatest extreme by designing a computer program that could automatically generate as long a palindrome as possible. Using the “A man, a plan, a canal — Panama!” palindrome as the base, Norvig’s program added in more and more terms, resulting in a 21,012-word palindrome. It’s not exactly exciting reading. Here’s just a sample:

A man, a plan, a caretaker, a moksha, Lufkin, a jacinth, Gile, Daniell, Ivanov, an odor, a negativeness, a tsarevna, melanomas, an ire…globigerinas, a mon, a leman, Vera, Stassen, Evita, Genaro, Donavon, a villein, a delight, Nica, Janik, Fulahs, Komarek, a ter, a canal, Panama.

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Date: 6/12/2024 14:43:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2222702
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


An American computer scientist named Peter Norvig brought it to its greatest extreme by designing a computer program that could automatically generate as long a palindrome as possible. Using the “A man, a plan, a canal — Panama!” palindrome as the base, Norvig’s program added in more and more terms, resulting in a 21,012-word palindrome. It’s not exactly exciting reading. Here’s just a sample:

A man, a plan, a caretaker, a moksha, Lufkin, a jacinth, Gile, Daniell, Ivanov, an odor, a negativeness, a tsarevna, melanomas, an ire…globigerinas, a mon, a leman, Vera, Stassen, Evita, Genaro, Donavon, a villein, a delight, Nica, Janik, Fulahs, Komarek, a ter, a canal, Panama.

Too much time on his hands.

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Date: 6/12/2024 14:46:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2222704
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


An American computer scientist named Peter Norvig brought it to its greatest extreme by designing a computer program that could automatically generate as long a palindrome as possible. Using the “A man, a plan, a canal — Panama!” palindrome as the base, Norvig’s program added in more and more terms, resulting in a 21,012-word palindrome. It’s not exactly exciting reading. Here’s just a sample:

A man, a plan, a caretaker, a moksha, Lufkin, a jacinth, Gile, Daniell, Ivanov, an odor, a negativeness, a tsarevna, melanomas, an ire…globigerinas, a mon, a leman, Vera, Stassen, Evita, Genaro, Donavon, a villein, a delight, Nica, Janik, Fulahs, Komarek, a ter, a canal, Panama.

Madness on a stick.

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Date: 6/12/2024 15:24:41
From: dv
ID: 2222732
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

An American computer scientist named Peter Norvig brought it to its greatest extreme by designing a computer program that could automatically generate as long a palindrome as possible. Using the “A man, a plan, a canal — Panama!” palindrome as the base, Norvig’s program added in more and more terms, resulting in a 21,012-word palindrome. It’s not exactly exciting reading. Here’s just a sample:

A man, a plan, a caretaker, a moksha, Lufkin, a jacinth, Gile, Daniell, Ivanov, an odor, a negativeness, a tsarevna, melanomas, an ire…globigerinas, a mon, a leman, Vera, Stassen, Evita, Genaro, Donavon, a villein, a delight, Nica, Janik, Fulahs, Komarek, a ter, a canal, Panama.

Too much time on his hands.

I like this one because of all the name-dropping.

It’s Ade, Cilla, Sue, Dame Vita, Edna, Nino, Emo! Come on in and eat; I’ve made us all iced asti.

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Date: 6/12/2024 15:29:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2222735
Subject: re: today I learned

Because of the value of burls, ancient redwoods in national parks in the Western United States have recently been poached by thieves for their burls, including at Redwood National and State Parks. Poachers often cut off the burls from the sides of the trunks using chainsaws, which exposes the tree to infection and disease, or fell the entire tree to steal burls higher up. Because of the risk of poaching, Jeff Denny, the state park’s redwood coast sector supervisor, encourages those buying burl to inquire where it came from and to ensure it was obtained legally. Legal acquisition methods for burl include trees from private land cleared for new development and from lumber companies with salvage permits.

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Date: 6/12/2024 15:42:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2222742
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Because of the value of burls, ancient redwoods in national parks in the Western United States have recently been poached by thieves for their burls, including at Redwood National and State Parks. Poachers often cut off the burls from the sides of the trunks using chainsaws, which exposes the tree to infection and disease, or fell the entire tree to steal burls higher up. Because of the risk of poaching, Jeff Denny, the state park’s redwood coast sector supervisor, encourages those buying burl to inquire where it came from and to ensure it was obtained legally. Legal acquisition methods for burl include trees from private land cleared for new development and from lumber companies with salvage permits.


Shit, eh!

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Date: 6/12/2024 15:48:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2222744
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Because of the value of burls, ancient redwoods in national parks in the Western United States have recently been poached by thieves for their burls, including at Redwood National and State Parks. Poachers often cut off the burls from the sides of the trunks using chainsaws, which exposes the tree to infection and disease, or fell the entire tree to steal burls higher up. Because of the risk of poaching, Jeff Denny, the state park’s redwood coast sector supervisor, encourages those buying burl to inquire where it came from and to ensure it was obtained legally. Legal acquisition methods for burl include trees from private land cleared for new development and from lumber companies with salvage permits.


Shit, eh!

maybe someone can just come up with a way to trigger trees to burl up and it’ll be amazing

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Date: 6/12/2024 16:09:49
From: Cymek
ID: 2222748
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

Because of the value of burls, ancient redwoods in national parks in the Western United States have recently been poached by thieves for their burls, including at Redwood National and State Parks. Poachers often cut off the burls from the sides of the trunks using chainsaws, which exposes the tree to infection and disease, or fell the entire tree to steal burls higher up. Because of the risk of poaching, Jeff Denny, the state park’s redwood coast sector supervisor, encourages those buying burl to inquire where it came from and to ensure it was obtained legally. Legal acquisition methods for burl include trees from private land cleared for new development and from lumber companies with salvage permits.


Shit, eh!

maybe someone can just come up with a way to trigger trees to burl up and it’ll be amazing

Is it an injury response ?

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Date: 6/12/2024 16:16:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2222751
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Shit, eh!

maybe someone can just come up with a way to trigger trees to burl up and it’ll be amazing

Is it an injury response ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl

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Date: 6/12/2024 16:33:33
From: Cymek
ID: 2222752
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe someone can just come up with a way to trigger trees to burl up and it’ll be amazing

Is it an injury response ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl

Danke

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Date: 6/12/2024 16:51:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222755
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

maybe someone can just come up with a way to trigger trees to burl up and it’ll be amazing

Is it an injury response ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl

From my archives.

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Date: 6/12/2024 17:15:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2222759
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Is it an injury response ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl

From my archives.


roughbarchived

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Date: 6/12/2024 17:59:00
From: dv
ID: 2222771
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 6/12/2024 18:46:46
From: Ian
ID: 2222784
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



:)

That’s arse about.

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Date: 6/12/2024 19:04:15
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2222791
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:

dv said:


:)

That’s arse about.

Sydney beachgoers be 👍.

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Date: 6/12/2024 19:27:51
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2222800
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

An American computer scientist named Peter Norvig brought it to its greatest extreme by designing a computer program that could automatically generate as long a palindrome as possible. Using the “A man, a plan, a canal — Panama!” palindrome as the base, Norvig’s program added in more and more terms, resulting in a 21,012-word palindrome. It’s not exactly exciting reading. Here’s just a sample:

A man, a plan, a caretaker, a moksha, Lufkin, a jacinth, Gile, Daniell, Ivanov, an odor, a negativeness, a tsarevna, melanomas, an ire…globigerinas, a mon, a leman, Vera, Stassen, Evita, Genaro, Donavon, a villein, a delight, Nica, Janik, Fulahs, Komarek, a ter, a canal, Panama.

Too much time on his hands.

I like this one because of all the name-dropping.

It’s Ade, Cilla, Sue, Dame Vita, Edna, Nino, Emo! Come on in and eat; I’ve made us all iced asti.

Chinese palindrome poem by 苏轼, 11th century.

小巷残月凝天空,亲人故土乡情浓。
笑声犹在空怀旧,憔心客愁满苍穹。
穹苍满愁客心憔,旧怀空在犹声笑。
浓情乡土故人亲,空天凝月残巷小。

Xiǎo xiàng cányuè níng tiānkōng, qīnrén gùtǔ xiāngqíng nóng.
Xiào shēng yóu zài kōng huáijiù, qiáo xīn kè chóu mǎn cāngqióng.
Qióngcāng mǎn chóu kè xīn qiáo, jiù huái kōng zài yóu shēng xiào.
Nóng qíng xiāngtǔ gùrén qīn, kōng tiān níng yuè cán xiàng xiǎo.

The waning moon in the alleys condenses the sky, and the love of the relatives’ hometown is strong.
The laughter is still empty and nostalgic, and the sky is full of melancholy guests.
The sky is full of melancholy, and the old nostalgia is still laughing.
Passionate to the native land, old folks, and small alleys with the moon in the sky.

https://goeastmandarin.com/chinese-palindromes/

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Date: 6/12/2024 23:48:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2222877
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 6/12/2024 23:52:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2222878
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:



i knew this.

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Date: 7/12/2024 01:02:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2222887
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:


i knew this.

vet story. paddock call and cow is standing on fence line with electric fence going into mouth and coming out rear end. owner is distraught. vet takes out snippers and cuts wire going into mouth and packs up and goes home.

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Date: 7/12/2024 01:37:57
From: Ian
ID: 2222890
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


JudgeMental said:


i knew this.

Me too.
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Date: 7/12/2024 01:50:25
From: Ian
ID: 2222891
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_disease

Hardware disease in livestock is traumatic puncture of the gastrointestinal tract with resultant spread of infection, caused by ingestion of a sharp, hard object, usually a piece of hardware (hence the name). These pieces of metal settle in the reticulum and can irritate or penetrate the lining. It is most common in dairy cattle, but is occasionally seen in beef cattle. It is very rarely reported in any other ruminants. It can be difficult to conclusively diagnose, but can be prevented by the oral administration of a magnet around the time that the animal reaches the age of one year. Depending on where the infection spreads, the medical names for it include bovine traumatic reticuloperitonitis and bovine traumatic reticulopericarditis.

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Date: 7/12/2024 01:58:08
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2222892
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_disease

Hardware disease in livestock is traumatic puncture of the gastrointestinal tract with resultant spread of infection, caused by ingestion of a sharp, hard object, usually a piece of hardware (hence the name). These pieces of metal settle in the reticulum and can irritate or penetrate the lining. It is most common in dairy cattle, but is occasionally seen in beef cattle. It is very rarely reported in any other ruminants. It can be difficult to conclusively diagnose, but can be prevented by the oral administration of a magnet around the time that the animal reaches the age of one year. Depending on where the infection spreads, the medical names for it include bovine traumatic reticuloperitonitis and bovine traumatic reticulopericarditis.

Thanks.

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Date: 7/12/2024 07:57:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2222909
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


sarahs mum said:

JudgeMental said:


i knew this.

Me too.

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:00:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222912
Subject: re: today I learned

Yair. I did a lot of work with a local vetinary surgeon. His Rolex is still in one cow somewhere.

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:07:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2222916
Subject: re: today I learned

Putting magnets in cattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKJ5N64eeos

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:20:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2222919
Subject: re: today I learned

that:
Kratom is a tree in the coffee family and it can produce a stimulant-like effect in small doses. Others who ingest it in larger doses sometimes report a sedative-like effect.

It has been used across South-East Asia for centuries as a traditional medicine and natural pick-me-up.

The use of the drug has exploded in the United States, aided by influencers and podcasters such as Joe Rogan — a self-proclaimed kratom user.

In America, kratom is largely sold in highly concentrated energy drinks and capsules, and it’s become a billion-dollar industry.

Proponents use it to self-treat everything from “pain coughing, diarrhoea, anxiety and depression, opioid use disorder, and opioid withdrawal”, according to the Federal Drug Administration.

read more

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:33:37
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2222921
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Ian said:

sarahs mum said:

i knew this.

Me too.

What about non-ferrous metals?

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:49:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2222922
Subject: re: today I learned

that the cat-flap was invented by Isaac Newton.

Or so it is said.

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:49:20
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2222923
Subject: re: today I learned

Health officials grapple with deadly mystery ‘Disease X’ in Congo
The mysterious flu-like disease has killed dozens in the central African country of the Democratic Republic of Congo, mostly women and children, officials said.

By Vivian Ho
December 6, 2024 at 8:22 a.m. ESTToday at 8:22 a.m. EST

A mysterious, flu-like disease has killed dozens in the southwest region of the Democratic Republic of Congo, with women and children among the most affected, health officials said Thursday.

At least 376 cases have been reported since Oct. 24 of individuals experiencing fevers, headaches and runny noses, in addition to difficulty breathing and anemia, Jean Kaseya, director general of the Africa Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in the agency’s weekly briefing.

Health officials have begun referring to the mysterious illness as “Disease X.” Africa CDC has recorded a total of 79 deaths caused by the illness, while local officials told Reuters that 143 have died. The numbers differ because the case definition is still unclear and some cases are still being confirmed, Margaret Muigai Edwin, communications director for Africa CDC, said in an email to The Washington Post.

The disease emerged in the Panzi health zone, Kaseya said, a remote, rural part of Kwango province along the border of Angola. The most affected age group is children under 5, with 198 cases reported — more than half of total cases.

Malnutrition, from which 40 percent of the region suffers, may have played a role in making infected individuals more vulnerable to the disease, said Dieudonné Mwamba, director general of Congo’s National Public Health Institute, at the briefing.

A breakdown in communication may have also contributed to the spread, Kaseya said. The first case was reported on Oct. 24, but it wasn’t until Sunday that authorities notified the national government. “That means we had a delay of almost five to six weeks,” Kaseya said. “In five to six weeks, so many things can happen.”

A team of epidemiologists, lab experts and infection prevention and control workers from Africa CDC are now in the Kwango province hoping to identify the disease, Kaseya said. Officials are urging people to remain calm and vigilant and to prevent the spread of the disease by engaging in good hygiene practices and reporting any suspected cases to health officials, and to avoid mass gatherings and handling a deceased person’s remains.

The World Health Organization will be sending medical professionals and supplies to aid in treatment of the disease, as well as in its identification, the organization said in a statement provided to The Washington Post. WHO officials cautioned against calling the disease “unidentified,” advising instead to describe it as “undiagnosed,” noting that the remote nature of the region — as well as its lack of laboratory services — may mean that what is infecting people may be an existing pathogen. Conflict, as well as the ongoing rainy season, has made it difficult to access the area, according to WHO.

Medical professionals will also be testing for flu — it is peak flu season in the region, WHO said — as well as coronavirus, malaria and measles, in case the unknown disease may be multiple known diseases affecting the area.

Disease X is hitting the Democratic Republic of Congo as the country struggles to get a handle on an upsurge of mpox, with nearly 48,000 cases and 1,200 deaths reported, according to Africa CDC. Mpox, an infectious, flu-like disease that can cause a painful rash, has spread to 20 different countries since January, the Africa CDC said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/06/congo-mystery-flu-disease-x-illness/?

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Date: 7/12/2024 08:53:16
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2222924
Subject: re: today I learned

Oooops wrong thread.

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Date: 7/12/2024 09:00:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2222930
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

Me too.

What about non-ferrous metals?

Just have to take their chances.

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Date: 7/12/2024 15:27:59
From: Arts
ID: 2223071
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Ian said:

sarahs mum said:

i knew this.

Me too.

I did not.. and I am suitably horrified for all concerned

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Date: 7/12/2024 23:13:06
From: dv
ID: 2223310
Subject: re: today I learned

Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

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Date: 7/12/2024 23:34:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223311
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

That’ll teach him to eat the flypapers.

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Date: 7/12/2024 23:37:13
From: party_pants
ID: 2223313
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

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Date: 7/12/2024 23:48:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223314
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

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Date: 7/12/2024 23:53:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223315
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

they used to use it sometimes to dope racehorses…

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Date: 8/12/2024 00:09:00
From: party_pants
ID: 2223318
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

OK. Well that’s my learning for today.

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Date: 8/12/2024 00:11:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2223319
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

OK. Well that’s my learning for today.


Good.

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Date: 8/12/2024 00:11:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223320
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

OK. Well that’s my learning for today.

it builds up in your system.

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Date: 8/12/2024 00:12:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2223321
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

OK. Well that’s my learning for today.

it builds up in your system.

The slow killer.

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Date: 8/12/2024 01:03:09
From: Kingy
ID: 2223328
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

OK. Well that’s my learning for today.

it builds up in your system.

A medium dose makes your arms and legs tingle with pins&needles, your guts ache and you shit like a garden hose.

Luckily, if you don’t die or absorb any more, your body flushes it out in about two days.

One star. Do not recommend.

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Date: 8/12/2024 01:24:42
From: dv
ID: 2223330
Subject: re: today I learned

WP describes arsenic as a toxic heavy metal, and while that terminology is probably common, it’s not what I would call it, given that it is not heavy nor a metal.

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Date: 8/12/2024 02:19:48
From: Ian
ID: 2223333
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

Charles Francis Hall (c. 1821 – November 8, 1871) was an American Arctic explorer, best known for his collection of Inuit testimony regarding the 1845 Franklin Expedition and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his death while leading the American-sponsored Polaris expedition in an attempt to be the first to reach the North Pole. The expedition was marred by insubordination, incompetence, and poor leadership.

Hall returned to the ship from an exploratory sledging journey, and promptly fell ill. Before he died, he accused members of the crew—the expedition’s lead scientist, Emil Bessels, in particular—of having poisoned him. An exhumation of his body in 1968 revealed that he had ingested a large quantity of arsenic in the last two weeks of his life

So why would a member of such an expedition take a supply of arsenic (or similar) with him for the long journey?

arsenic was considered a medicine back then. apparently, it makes you feel good in small doses for a while. and then it doesn’t.

Ya. In the past arsenic and its compounds were used in human medicine for the treatment of such diseases as diabetes, psoriasis, syphilis, skin ulcers and joint diseases.

Afaik vets still use a drug containing arsenic in the treatment of heartworm in dogs.

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Date: 8/12/2024 06:13:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223340
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

WP describes arsenic as a toxic heavy metal, and while that terminology is probably common, it’s not what I would call it, given that it is not heavy nor a metal.

boom

tish

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Date: 8/12/2024 07:56:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2223350
Subject: re: today I learned

Kim Ung-yong is a South Korean citizen born in 1962 who entered the Guinness Book of Records for his extremely high IQ, achieving a score of 210 on the Stanford-Binet test.

He obtained multiple academic qualifications at a very early age, including a PhD in physics from Hanyang University before he was fifteen.

Then finally in 1978, at the age of sixteen, he returned to Korea and decided to enroll in the faculty of engineering, graduating with a degree in civil engineering.

What can I say, he was a true child prodigy.

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:02:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2223351
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Kim Ung-yong is a South Korean citizen born in 1962 who entered the Guinness Book of Records for his extremely high IQ, achieving a score of 210 on the Stanford-Binet test.

He obtained multiple academic qualifications at a very early age, including a PhD in physics from Hanyang University before he was fifteen.

Then finally in 1978, at the age of sixteen, he returned to Korea and decided to enroll in the faculty of engineering, graduating with a degree in civil engineering.

What can I say, he was a true child prodigy.

This site claims he was working for NASA at the age of 8, and had a PhD from Colarado University at the same age.

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:03:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2223352
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Kim Ung-yong is a South Korean citizen born in 1962 who entered the Guinness Book of Records for his extremely high IQ, achieving a score of 210 on the Stanford-Binet test.

He obtained multiple academic qualifications at a very early age, including a PhD in physics from Hanyang University before he was fifteen.

Then finally in 1978, at the age of sixteen, he returned to Korea and decided to enroll in the faculty of engineering, graduating with a degree in civil engineering.

What can I say, he was a true child prodigy.

This site claims he was working for NASA at the age of 8, and had a PhD from Colarado University at the same age.


https://www.storypick.com/kim-ung-yong/

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:07:01
From: kii
ID: 2223353
Subject: re: today I learned

Calling someone who thinks that they are edgy “a pizza cutter” is my little spark of joy.

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:09:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223354
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kim Ung-yong is a South Korean citizen born in 1962 who entered the Guinness Book of Records for his extremely high IQ, achieving a score of 210 on the Stanford-Binet test.

He obtained multiple academic qualifications at a very early age, including a PhD in physics from Hanyang University before he was fifteen.

Then finally in 1978, at the age of sixteen, he returned to Korea and decided to enroll in the faculty of engineering, graduating with a degree in civil engineering.

What can I say, he was a true child prodigy.

This site claims he was working for NASA at the age of 8, and had a PhD from Colarado University at the same age.


https://www.storypick.com/kim-ung-yong/

meanwhile in Australia the debate rages on

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/gifted-children-who-cant-afford-to-succeed-/104689716

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:19:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2223357
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

This site claims he was working for NASA at the age of 8, and had a PhD from Colarado University at the same age.


https://www.storypick.com/kim-ung-yong/

meanwhile in Australia the debate rages on

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/gifted-children-who-cant-afford-to-succeed-/104689716

Thanks for that, worth a read.

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Date: 8/12/2024 08:26:11
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223360
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

https://www.storypick.com/kim-ung-yong/

meanwhile in Australia the debate rages on

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/gifted-children-who-cant-afford-to-succeed-/104689716

Thanks for that, worth a read.

maybe but it’s a lot of words to say that a class of students ready to learn the same stuff is the most likely to successfully learn the stuff they are ready to learn

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Date: 8/12/2024 09:01:26
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2223364
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.facebook.com/GrandDesigns/videos/1274999513743535

Link

Maggies cancer centre Leeds.

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Date: 8/12/2024 11:35:18
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223408
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

This site claims he was working for NASA at the age of 8, and had a PhD from Colarado University at the same age.


https://www.storypick.com/kim-ung-yong/

meanwhile in Australia the debate rages on

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/gifted-children-who-cant-afford-to-succeed-/104689716

brother John had a reading age of 12 when he went to school. school bored him and he became a disruptor and was frequently punished… which started the war with education. he did get expelled from one of the best selective schools.

I suffered from a lack of appropriate reading material when I was a kid so I can’t imagine how he felt.

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:02:11
From: dv
ID: 2223634
Subject: re: today I learned

Philosopher Edmund Gettier is the academic embodiment of the gigachad “Does X, refuses to elaborate, leaves” meme.

Western philosophy has three major sub-disciplines: ontology (what is being?), ethics (how do we be good?) and epistemology (what is knowing?) Epistemology was changed forever in 1963 by Edmund Gettier’s (b. 1927) article “Are Justified Beliefs Knowledge?”, which overturned one of the field’s most basic assumptions, that had more or less been in place since Plato. I won’t explain it in full here as, unsurprisingly, it’s a bit complicated. Which makes it more amazing that Gettier’s article was a mere three pages long.

Gettier never published anything else in the field of epistemology and, according to the philosopher Duncan Pritchard, only wrote the article in the first place because it helped him get tenure, and had no interest in the field to begin with. Gettier declined to attend a conference celebrating the 50th anniversary of the article’s publication. This is perhaps the academic equivalent of refusing to go to your own birthday party.

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:05:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223636
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Philosopher Edmund Gettier is the academic embodiment of the gigachad “Does X, refuses to elaborate, leaves” meme.

Western philosophy has three major sub-disciplines: ontology (what is being?), ethics (how do we be good?) and epistemology (what is knowing?) Epistemology was changed forever in 1963 by Edmund Gettier’s (b. 1927) article “Are Justified Beliefs Knowledge?”, which overturned one of the field’s most basic assumptions, that had more or less been in place since Plato. I won’t explain it in full here as, unsurprisingly, it’s a bit complicated. Which makes it more amazing that Gettier’s article was a mere three pages long.

Gettier never published anything else in the field of epistemology and, according to the philosopher Duncan Pritchard, only wrote the article in the first place because it helped him get tenure, and had no interest in the field to begin with. Gettier declined to attend a conference celebrating the 50th anniversary of the article’s publication. This is perhaps the academic equivalent of refusing to go to your own birthday party.


¿ref

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:16:58
From: dv
ID: 2223643
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1943, American actress Gene Tierney (1920-1991) was pregnant with her first child when she contracted rubella (German measles) whilst on a USO tour. The illness infected the foetus and caused congenital damage. The child, a daughter named Daria, was born prematurely, completely deaf, partially blind with cataracts, and severely mentally disabled. Daria would be institutionalised for most of her life until her death in 2010. Tierney’s friend the millionaire Howard Hughes paid for all of Daria’s medical expenses to ensure she got the best care, an act of kindness Tierney never forgot. Leaving Daria in institutions scarred Tierney emotionally, effecting her already fragile mental health. “The emptiness inside me was like a cave,” she said. “She was a sweet little girl, with golden curls and soft skin. Physically she looked just like any other 4-year-old. I cried for Daria and I cried for me until I didn’t know where the tears came from.”
Two years after Daria was born, Tierney was approached by a woman at a party. Thrilled about meeting her idol, the woman told her that they’d met before two years earlier at a USO canteen. The woman had been quarantined with rubella but sneaked out of hospital to meet Tierney anyway: “I just had to go,” she gushed. “You were always my favourite.” Tierney stared at her in stunned silence and simply walked away. “After that,” she said, “I didn’t care whether ever again I was anyone’s favourite actress.”

I read this and thought “hey that sounds like that Agatha Christie story”.

So I looked up the deets on Wikipedia:

This entire incident was inspiration for the plot in the 1962 Agatha Christie novel The Mirror Crack’d from Side to Side (Christie’s official website says about that novel, “The plot was inspired by Agatha Christie’s reflections on a mother’s feelings for a child born with disabilities and there can be little doubt that Christie was influenced by the real-life tragedy of American actress Gene Tierney.”).

Anyway, the antivaxers and antimaskers are like that fan.

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:30:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223645
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 1943, American actress Gene Tierney (1920-1991) was pregnant with her first child when she contracted rubella (German measles) whilst on a USO tour. The illness infected the foetus and caused congenital damage. The child, a daughter named Daria, was born prematurely, completely deaf, partially blind with cataracts, and severely mentally disabled. Daria would be institutionalised for most of her life until her death in 2010. Tierney’s friend the millionaire Howard Hughes paid for all of Daria’s medical expenses to ensure she got the best care, an act of kindness Tierney never forgot. Leaving Daria in institutions scarred Tierney emotionally, effecting her already fragile mental health. “The emptiness inside me was like a cave,” she said. “She was a sweet little girl, with golden curls and soft skin. Physically she looked just like any other 4-year-old. I cried for Daria and I cried for me until I didn’t know where the tears came from.”
Two years after Daria was born, Tierney was approached by a woman at a party. Thrilled about meeting her idol, the woman told her that they’d met before two years earlier at a USO canteen. The woman had been quarantined with rubella but sneaked out of hospital to meet Tierney anyway: “I just had to go,” she gushed. “You were always my favourite.” Tierney stared at her in stunned silence and simply walked away. “After that,” she said, “I didn’t care whether ever again I was anyone’s favourite actress.”

I read this and thought “hey that sounds like that Agatha Christie story”.

So I looked up the deets on Wikipedia:

This entire incident was inspiration for the plot in the 1962 Agatha Christie novel The Mirror Crack’d from Side to Side (Christie’s official website says about that novel, “The plot was inspired by Agatha Christie’s reflections on a mother’s feelings for a child born with disabilities and there can be little doubt that Christie was influenced by the real-life tragedy of American actress Gene Tierney.”).

Anyway, the antivaxers and antimaskers are like that fan.

nods.

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:35:23
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2223646
Subject: re: today I learned

James Fell

The Dewey Decimal Classification System is the most popular book organization system in the world. The guy who created it, Melvil Dewey, was a bigoted piece of shit and his stupid fucking system reflects that.

Gotta love librarians. As a group, they approach their profession with more enthusiasm than anyone I have yet to meet. Saved my ass while doing my master’s in history, helping me find shit I never could have located on my own. It’s like they approach your research needs as a puzzle to be solved, and they love puzzles.

Egyptians were using a decimal system five thousand years ago; most likely Base-10 was Based-On the fact that we have ten fingers yes thumbs count as fingers guess which finger I’m holding up right now. Born in 1851, Dewey was an American librarian who started creating his decimal-based classification system for books in the 1870s. The system he developed had ten main classes, with 000-099 being for “General Works” and going up to 900-999 for “History, Geography, and Biography,” and a bunch of other shit in between.

Each class had ten divisions. As an example, the 500 class, Natural Science, was broken down into Math, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry etc. And each division had ten sections, like Geography being further broken down by region.

The system allowed people to browse library stacks, doing their own research, whereas before most peasants weren’t allowed such access, and books had fixed positions in libraries that only the librarians knew. Dewey’s system was slowly adopted during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Okay let’s get to why Melvil was a piece of shit, and how his book classification system reflects his shitty attitudes, and how that system continues to marginalize people to this day.
First off, the fucker was a serial sexual harasser. He was super touchy-feely with his female subordinates who definitely did not consent to that shit, and despite constantly being told just fucking stop he did not fucking stop. Of course, those sexist beliefs permeated the system he created, with classifications for all kinds of stuff about men, but much less for women.

It gets much worse.

He was a racist and antisemitic motherfucker. He founded the Lake Placid Club and wrote the policy outlining no Jews or Black people or other minorities. Fucker even bought the land adjacent to the club because he feared Jews might buy it. And yeah, that shit permeated the system he created. He outlined myriad categories for varieties of white people, and lumped everyone else into just a couple of categories. For a long time, if you want to find the work of a Black author, it could only be found under the categories “Colonization,” or “Slavery.” Of course, the entire system is Eurocentric as fuck, and big into Protestantism. Christianity gets the lion’s share of the religion category, with everything else crammed into far fewer categories.

What about LGBTQ+ categorization? In 1932 it was categorized under “Abnormal Psychology.” In 1989 this was changed to “Social Problems” and what the fuck that’s not any better. Now, it is in the much-improved category “Sexual Orientation, Transgenderism, Intersexuality,” and that is an improvement. BUT! This category is listed in between prostitution and child trafficking on one side, and fetishes / BDSM is on the other side. That’s fucked up.

I learned about what a despicable fucknut Dewey was during a conversation with Banff Library director Sarah McCormack. The Dewey Decimal Classification System is pervasive; it is still used by most libraries around the world. But Sarah said fuck that jackwagon and his bigoted system too (paraphrased). The Banff Library switched to the BISAC system in 2015, which stands for Book Industry Standards and Communications. It is more geared toward bookstores, but McCormack sees it as “more flexible, easier to update, and more progressive and accessible.”
“You can work within this fundamentally flawed system,” McCormack said of Dewey classification, “Or you can dump it and switch to something that allows us to have the freedom to move with the times and reflect our values and the values of our community.”

Well fucking said.

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Date: 8/12/2024 18:37:07
From: dv
ID: 2223647
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

Philosopher Edmund Gettier is the academic embodiment of the gigachad “Does X, refuses to elaborate, leaves” meme.

Western philosophy has three major sub-disciplines: ontology (what is being?), ethics (how do we be good?) and epistemology (what is knowing?) Epistemology was changed forever in 1963 by Edmund Gettier’s (b. 1927) article “Are Justified Beliefs Knowledge?”, which overturned one of the field’s most basic assumptions, that had more or less been in place since Plato. I won’t explain it in full here as, unsurprisingly, it’s a bit complicated. Which makes it more amazing that Gettier’s article was a mere three pages long.

Gettier never published anything else in the field of epistemology and, according to the philosopher Duncan Pritchard, only wrote the article in the first place because it helped him get tenure, and had no interest in the field to begin with. Gettier declined to attend a conference celebrating the 50th anniversary of the article’s publication. This is perhaps the academic equivalent of refusing to go to your own birthday party.


¿ref

Wikidiwikidiwikidwak

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:01:01
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223652
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

In 1943, American actress Gene Tierney (1920-1991) was pregnant with her first child when she contracted rubella (German measles) whilst on a USO tour. The illness infected the foetus and caused congenital damage. The child, a daughter named Daria, was born prematurely, completely deaf, partially blind with cataracts, and severely mentally disabled. Daria would be institutionalised for most of her life until her death in 2010. Tierney’s friend the millionaire Howard Hughes paid for all of Daria’s medical expenses to ensure she got the best care, an act of kindness Tierney never forgot. Leaving Daria in institutions scarred Tierney emotionally, effecting her already fragile mental health. “The emptiness inside me was like a cave,” she said. “She was a sweet little girl, with golden curls and soft skin. Physically she looked just like any other 4-year-old. I cried for Daria and I cried for me until I didn’t know where the tears came from.”
Two years after Daria was born, Tierney was approached by a woman at a party. Thrilled about meeting her idol, the woman told her that they’d met before two years earlier at a USO canteen. The woman had been quarantined with rubella but sneaked out of hospital to meet Tierney anyway: “I just had to go,” she gushed. “You were always my favourite.” Tierney stared at her in stunned silence and simply walked away. “After that,” she said, “I didn’t care whether ever again I was anyone’s favourite actress.”

I read this and thought “hey that sounds like that Agatha Christie story”.

So I looked up the deets on Wikipedia:

This entire incident was inspiration for the plot in the 1962 Agatha Christie novel The Mirror Crack’d from Side to Side (Christie’s official website says about that novel, “The plot was inspired by Agatha Christie’s reflections on a mother’s feelings for a child born with disabilities and there can be little doubt that Christie was influenced by the real-life tragedy of American actress Gene Tierney.”).

Anyway, the antivaxers and antimaskers are like that fan.

nods.

makes us feel sick ugh

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:02:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223654
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:

James Fell

The Dewey Decimal Classification System is the most popular book organization system in the world. The guy who created it, Melvil Dewey, was a bigoted piece of shit and his stupid fucking system reflects that.

Gotta love librarians. As a group, they approach their profession with more enthusiasm than anyone I have yet to meet. Saved my ass while doing my master’s in history, helping me find shit I never could have located on my own. It’s like they approach your research needs as a puzzle to be solved, and they love puzzles.

Egyptians were using a decimal system five thousand years ago; most likely Base-10 was Based-On the fact that we have ten fingers yes thumbs count as fingers guess which finger I’m holding up right now. Born in 1851, Dewey was an American librarian who started creating his decimal-based classification system for books in the 1870s. The system he developed had ten main classes, with 000-099 being for “General Works” and going up to 900-999 for “History, Geography, and Biography,” and a bunch of other shit in between.

Each class had ten divisions. As an example, the 500 class, Natural Science, was broken down into Math, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry etc. And each division had ten sections, like Geography being further broken down by region.

The system allowed people to browse library stacks, doing their own research, whereas before most peasants weren’t allowed such access, and books had fixed positions in libraries that only the librarians knew. Dewey’s system was slowly adopted during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Okay let’s get to why Melvil was a piece of shit, and how his book classification system reflects his shitty attitudes, and how that system continues to marginalize people to this day.
First off, the fucker was a serial sexual harasser. He was super touchy-feely with his female subordinates who definitely did not consent to that shit, and despite constantly being told just fucking stop he did not fucking stop. Of course, those sexist beliefs permeated the system he created, with classifications for all kinds of stuff about men, but much less for women.

It gets much worse.

He was a racist and antisemitic motherfucker. He founded the Lake Placid Club and wrote the policy outlining no Jews or Black people or other minorities. Fucker even bought the land adjacent to the club because he feared Jews might buy it. And yeah, that shit permeated the system he created. He outlined myriad categories for varieties of white people, and lumped everyone else into just a couple of categories. For a long time, if you want to find the work of a Black author, it could only be found under the categories “Colonization,” or “Slavery.” Of course, the entire system is Eurocentric as fuck, and big into Protestantism. Christianity gets the lion’s share of the religion category, with everything else crammed into far fewer categories.

What about LGBTQ+ categorization? In 1932 it was categorized under “Abnormal Psychology.” In 1989 this was changed to “Social Problems” and what the fuck that’s not any better. Now, it is in the much-improved category “Sexual Orientation, Transgenderism, Intersexuality,” and that is an improvement. BUT! This category is listed in between prostitution and child trafficking on one side, and fetishes / BDSM is on the other side. That’s fucked up.

I learned about what a despicable fucknut Dewey was during a conversation with Banff Library director Sarah McCormack. The Dewey Decimal Classification System is pervasive; it is still used by most libraries around the world. But Sarah said fuck that jackwagon and his bigoted system too (paraphrased). The Banff Library switched to the BISAC system in 2015, which stands for Book Industry Standards and Communications. It is more geared toward bookstores, but McCormack sees it as “more flexible, easier to update, and more progressive and accessible.”
“You can work within this fundamentally flawed system,” McCormack said of Dewey classification, “Or you can dump it and switch to something that allows us to have the freedom to move with the times and reflect our values and the values of our community.”

Well fucking said.

thanks

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:02:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223655
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Philosopher Edmund Gettier is the academic embodiment of the gigachad “Does X, refuses to elaborate, leaves” meme.

Western philosophy has three major sub-disciplines: ontology (what is being?), ethics (how do we be good?) and epistemology (what is knowing?) Epistemology was changed forever in 1963 by Edmund Gettier’s (b. 1927) article “Are Justified Beliefs Knowledge?”, which overturned one of the field’s most basic assumptions, that had more or less been in place since Plato. I won’t explain it in full here as, unsurprisingly, it’s a bit complicated. Which makes it more amazing that Gettier’s article was a mere three pages long.

Gettier never published anything else in the field of epistemology and, according to the philosopher Duncan Pritchard, only wrote the article in the first place because it helped him get tenure, and had no interest in the field to begin with. Gettier declined to attend a conference celebrating the 50th anniversary of the article’s publication. This is perhaps the academic equivalent of refusing to go to your own birthday party.


¿ref

Wikidiwikidiwikidwak

right but why complain that it’s complicated but also concise we mean seriously

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:18:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2223656
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

JudgeMental said:

James Fell

The Dewey Decimal Classification System is the most popular book organization system in the world. The guy who created it, Melvil Dewey, was a bigoted piece of shit and his stupid fucking system reflects that.

Gotta love librarians. As a group, they approach their profession with more enthusiasm than anyone I have yet to meet. Saved my ass while doing my master’s in history, helping me find shit I never could have located on my own. It’s like they approach your research needs as a puzzle to be solved, and they love puzzles.

Egyptians were using a decimal system five thousand years ago; most likely Base-10 was Based-On the fact that we have ten fingers yes thumbs count as fingers guess which finger I’m holding up right now. Born in 1851, Dewey was an American librarian who started creating his decimal-based classification system for books in the 1870s. The system he developed had ten main classes, with 000-099 being for “General Works” and going up to 900-999 for “History, Geography, and Biography,” and a bunch of other shit in between.

Each class had ten divisions. As an example, the 500 class, Natural Science, was broken down into Math, Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry etc. And each division had ten sections, like Geography being further broken down by region.

The system allowed people to browse library stacks, doing their own research, whereas before most peasants weren’t allowed such access, and books had fixed positions in libraries that only the librarians knew. Dewey’s system was slowly adopted during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Okay let’s get to why Melvil was a piece of shit, and how his book classification system reflects his shitty attitudes, and how that system continues to marginalize people to this day.
First off, the fucker was a serial sexual harasser. He was super touchy-feely with his female subordinates who definitely did not consent to that shit, and despite constantly being told just fucking stop he did not fucking stop. Of course, those sexist beliefs permeated the system he created, with classifications for all kinds of stuff about men, but much less for women.

It gets much worse.

He was a racist and antisemitic motherfucker. He founded the Lake Placid Club and wrote the policy outlining no Jews or Black people or other minorities. Fucker even bought the land adjacent to the club because he feared Jews might buy it. And yeah, that shit permeated the system he created. He outlined myriad categories for varieties of white people, and lumped everyone else into just a couple of categories. For a long time, if you want to find the work of a Black author, it could only be found under the categories “Colonization,” or “Slavery.” Of course, the entire system is Eurocentric as fuck, and big into Protestantism. Christianity gets the lion’s share of the religion category, with everything else crammed into far fewer categories.

What about LGBTQ+ categorization? In 1932 it was categorized under “Abnormal Psychology.” In 1989 this was changed to “Social Problems” and what the fuck that’s not any better. Now, it is in the much-improved category “Sexual Orientation, Transgenderism, Intersexuality,” and that is an improvement. BUT! This category is listed in between prostitution and child trafficking on one side, and fetishes / BDSM is on the other side. That’s fucked up.

I learned about what a despicable fucknut Dewey was during a conversation with Banff Library director Sarah McCormack. The Dewey Decimal Classification System is pervasive; it is still used by most libraries around the world. But Sarah said fuck that jackwagon and his bigoted system too (paraphrased). The Banff Library switched to the BISAC system in 2015, which stands for Book Industry Standards and Communications. It is more geared toward bookstores, but McCormack sees it as “more flexible, easier to update, and more progressive and accessible.”
“You can work within this fundamentally flawed system,” McCormack said of Dewey classification, “Or you can dump it and switch to something that allows us to have the freedom to move with the times and reflect our values and the values of our community.”

Well fucking said.

thanks

+1

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:45:09
From: esselte
ID: 2223660
Subject: re: today I learned

The Great Pyramid of Giza (Pyramid of Khufu) has eight sides. It is the only known ancient Egyptian pyramid with eight sides.

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Date: 8/12/2024 19:47:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2223661
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:

The Great Pyramid of Giza (Pyramid of Khufu) has eight sides. It is the only known ancient Egyptian pyramid with eight sides.


Huh!

Well there you go.

Thanks for that little bit of information.

I wonder why that was done.

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Date: 8/12/2024 20:16:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2223664
Subject: re: today I learned

>>and antisemitic motherfucker

Utter bastard.

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Date: 8/12/2024 20:25:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223665
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:

The Great Pyramid of Giza (Pyramid of Khufu) has eight sides. It is the only known ancient Egyptian pyramid with eight sides.


I would make a guess that this gives it improved structural strength?

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Date: 8/12/2024 20:42:21
From: dv
ID: 2223668
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>and antisemitic motherfucker

Utter bastard.

Exactly

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Date: 8/12/2024 20:54:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223671
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

>>and antisemitic motherfucker

Utter bastard.

Exactly

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:04:05
From: Kingy
ID: 2223672
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>and antisemitic motherfucker

Utter bastard.

Exactly

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:06:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2223673
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Exactly

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Arabs are Semites.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:07:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223674
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Exactly

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:08:43
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2223675
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

and no doubt they used the same rhetoric that the nazis used against them.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:12:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223676
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

and no doubt they used the same rhetoric that the nazis used against them.

Well, i was of no suitable level of either education or sobriety at the time, to enable me to make a scholarly comparison.

And the same probably applies now.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:54:12
From: Kingy
ID: 2223687
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

There’s an incident of anti-Semitism that i recall only too clearly.

It was a New Year’s Eve, back in the 1980s, and i was on a beach, with my mate Geoff, and some girls he knew and who were up from Sydney for a few days.

We had a driftwood firegoing, plenty of drinks in the eskies, and sufficient of them inside us.

I don’t remember how things got around to it, but somehow the talk got onto ‘the Arabs’.

And, wow, did some of those girls go downtown on that one!

It got to the stage where i really didn’t like what i was hearing from them, their analogies and similesfor ‘the Arabs’ and what ought to happen to ‘the Arabs’.

Made me think, y’know, i bet that this is rather like how the Nazis, and Germans of the 1930s, used to talk about Jews.

But, i didn’t say anything.

For one thing, all of those girls were Jewish, and i’m certain that most, if not all of them, had done their time in the Israeli military.

As an Australian gentile, trhen of ‘tender’ years with zero time (then) in the Middle East, i thought, no Spalding, keep yer trap shut. You may not like it, but non-players maybe just don’t really grasp the nature of the game.

(I don’t think that Geoff was all that comfortable with it, either, and he was a Yom Kippur war veteran.)

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

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Date: 8/12/2024 21:59:32
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2223691
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

Semites are basically people who speak a Semitic language of which Hebrew and Arabic are the most noteworthy examples.

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Date: 8/12/2024 22:27:10
From: Kingy
ID: 2223706
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

Kingy said:

I don’t think that’s what anti-semitism means? That sounds more like pro-semitism. Unless I missed something there.

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

Orright, I googled it(Wiki). It seems that there may be a pedantic argument afoot.

From Wiki:

“In recent times, the idea that there is a variation of antisemitism known as “new antisemitism” has emerged on several occasions. According to this view, since Israel is a Jewish state, expressions of anti-Zionist positions could harbour antisemitic sentiments. Natan Sharansky describes the “3D” test to determine the existence of such antisemitism: demonizing Israel, the double standard of criticizing Israel disproportionately to other countries, and delegitimizing Israel’s right to exist.

Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert (in an etymological fallacy) that it refers to racist hatred directed at “Semitic people” in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879 as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’), and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone. “

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Date: 8/12/2024 22:31:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223709
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

Orright, I googled it(Wiki). It seems that there may be a pedantic argument afoot.

From Wiki:

“In recent times, the idea that there is a variation of antisemitism known as “new antisemitism” has emerged on several occasions. According to this view, since Israel is a Jewish state, expressions of anti-Zionist positions could harbour antisemitic sentiments. Natan Sharansky describes the “3D” test to determine the existence of such antisemitism: demonizing Israel, the double standard of criticizing Israel disproportionately to other countries, and delegitimizing Israel’s right to exist.

Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert (in an etymological fallacy) that it refers to racist hatred directed at “Semitic people” in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879 as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’), and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone. “

I would not argue with that.

Certainly, the term ‘anti-Semitic’ has a widely-accpeted meaning of ‘anti-Jew/anti-Israel’.

My tale of the New Year’s Eve revolves around that mix of the meaning of the broader (if outdated/discredited) meaning of ‘anti-Semitic’, and the parallel with the 1930s.

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Date: 8/12/2024 22:31:34
From: dv
ID: 2223710
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:

Orright, I googled it(Wiki). It seems that there may be a pedantic argument afoot.

From Wiki:

“In recent times, the idea that there is a variation of antisemitism known as “new antisemitism” has emerged on several occasions. According to this view, since Israel is a Jewish state, expressions of anti-Zionist positions could harbour antisemitic sentiments. Natan Sharansky describes the “3D” test to determine the existence of such antisemitism: demonizing Israel, the double standard of criticizing Israel disproportionately to other countries, and delegitimizing Israel’s right to exist.

I reject that analysis. There are plenty of Jews who are highly critical of Israel, and some who are utterly anti-Zionist, and it doesn’t make sense to call them all antisemitic.

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Date: 8/12/2024 22:36:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2223711
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

I reject that analysis. There are plenty of Jews who are highly critical of Israel, and some who are utterly anti-Zionist, and it doesn’t make sense to call them all antisemitic.

I know, from my own time when i was ‘connected’ to a Jewish community, that there was quite a few people who were skeptical and wary of Zionist elements, and a lot of them were of the ‘Holocaust generation’.

There was, i observed, some of that generation who were Zionists, but they were few.

Most of the Zionists seemed to be younger, perhaps products of indoctrination during military service. Elders appeared to be keeping a watchful eye on them.

That may have been becuase they knew, first hand, what the results of unchecked extremist views might be.

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Date: 8/12/2024 22:58:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2223715
Subject: re: today I learned

Witty Rejoinder said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians.

So, it was an occasion when some Semites were being (selectively) anti-Semitic.

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

Semites are basically people who speak a Semitic language of which Hebrew and Arabic are the most noteworthy examples.

I don’t think the Jews know this as they have invested so much into the term antisemite. Sort of makes it unremarkable.

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Date: 8/12/2024 23:07:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2223716
Subject: re: today I learned

Well Ge’ez dv’n‘we’d been chitchatting about this whole ridiculous claim to name for the past year ahahaha.

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Date: 8/12/2024 23:22:55
From: dv
ID: 2223720
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Well Ge’ez

lol

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Date: 9/12/2024 05:44:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 2223743
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Kingy said:

Well, there ya go. I did learned something today. I always thought Semites were Jews.

Semites are basically people who speak a Semitic language of which Hebrew and Arabic are the most noteworthy examples.

I don’t think the Jews know this as they have invested so much into the term antisemite. Sort of makes it unremarkable.

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Date: 9/12/2024 16:18:07
From: dv
ID: 2223880
Subject: re: today I learned

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5885995/
Rare successful pregnancy in a patient with Swyer Syndrome

A 36-year-old patient with 46, XY gonadal dysgenesis. 31 year old husband with normal sperm analysis.

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Date: 9/12/2024 17:44:30
From: buffy
ID: 2223908
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5885995/
Rare successful pregnancy in a patient with Swyer Syndrome

A 36-year-old patient with 46, XY gonadal dysgenesis. 31 year old husband with normal sperm analysis.

How did you find that? It’s a paper from 2016.

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Date: 9/12/2024 18:01:56
From: dv
ID: 2223921
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5885995/
Rare successful pregnancy in a patient with Swyer Syndrome

A 36-year-old patient with 46, XY gonadal dysgenesis. 31 year old husband with normal sperm analysis.

How did you find that? It’s a paper from 2016.

Just popped up in a Reel

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Date: 9/12/2024 23:05:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2223985
Subject: re: today I learned

of Johnny Rotten:

“He was married to his wife for 44 years and became her primary carer up until her death 2 years ago from Alzeimer’s.

“A bit of love goes a long way”, and that he had no intentions to put her in a care home – despite the strain her illness had on both their lives.”“

I had no idea he was still alive.

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Date: 10/12/2024 18:07:01
From: dv
ID: 2224250
Subject: re: today I learned

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:02:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2224281
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:08:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2224285
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?


cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:15:05
From: dv
ID: 2224288
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?

I don’t have any interesting information on radish biology.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:17:13
From: dv
ID: 2224290
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?


cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

Henceforth we shall say cauliflower instead of bloomin’ cold.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:17:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2224291
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?

I don’t have any interesting information on radish biology.

Radish is also in the brassica or cabbage family.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:21:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2224293
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, Brussels sprouts, collard greens, kohlrabi, and kailan are all the same species.

Turnip, rape (canola), bok choi, rapini are all the same species.

Artificial selection is wild yo.

Etymologically, collard, kohlrabi, cauliflower, kale all share a common root, though any similarity to kailan is incidental.

And what about radish then?


cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:22:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2224294
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

And what about radish then?


cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:24:20
From: dv
ID: 2224295
Subject: re: today I learned

I suppose I have something slightly interesting to say of radish etymology. From the Latin radix, meaning root, and hence related to radical etc. But going further back, also related to the words root and wort.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:25:46
From: dv
ID: 2224296
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

the Germans used to put it on their headgear to make helmet kohl

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:31:09
From: dv
ID: 2224297
Subject: re: today I learned

But now JM has sent me down a radish kohl looking for the origin of the word kohl meaning stibnite.

Turns out it is from Akkadian guḫlum, meaning stibnite.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:33:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2224299
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

cauliflower in german is blumenkohl and I find that amusing for some reason.

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

I used to work in a stibnite-producing mine. I have a lovely stibnite rosette specimen with a few small gold nuggets at the centre of the rosette.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:36:00
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2224300
Subject: re: today I learned

Virat

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:40:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2224302
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


Virat

Aye.

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:44:49
From: dv
ID: 2224305
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

Virat

Aye.

ha

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Date: 10/12/2024 19:47:39
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2224306
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


But now JM has sent me down a radish kohl looking for the origin of the word kohl meaning stibnite.

Turns out it is from Akkadian guḫlum, meaning stibnite.

the best thing about the internet.

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Date: 10/12/2024 20:14:27
From: Kingy
ID: 2224313
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

the Germans used to put it on their headgear to make helmet kohl

In order to scuttle to the head of the treasury?

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Date: 10/12/2024 20:15:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 2224314
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

And what about radish then?

I don’t have any interesting information on radish biology.

Radish is also in the brassica or cabbage family.

It is and so is Rocket

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Date: 10/12/2024 20:16:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2224315
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I suppose I have something slightly interesting to say of radish etymology. From the Latin radix, meaning root, and hence related to radical etc. But going further back, also related to the words root and wort.

radicle as well. ;)

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Date: 10/12/2024 21:33:34
From: buffy
ID: 2224324
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


JudgeMental said:

SCIENCE said:

ah yes kohlrabi is a thing

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

I used to work in a stibnite-producing mine. I have a lovely stibnite rosette specimen with a few small gold nuggets at the centre of the rosette.

Sounds stunning…picture?

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Date: 10/12/2024 21:59:53
From: dv
ID: 2224333
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

I suppose I have something slightly interesting to say of radish etymology. From the Latin radix, meaning root, and hence related to radical etc. But going further back, also related to the words root and wort.

radicle as well. ;)

Well that’s true too.

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Date: 10/12/2024 23:50:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2224379
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

Kohl is a cosmetic made from stibnite.

I used to work in a stibnite-producing mine. I have a lovely stibnite rosette specimen with a few small gold nuggets at the centre of the rosette.

Sounds stunning…picture?

Sorry, no. It’s in the shed wrapped in newspaper in one of dozens of crates.

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Date: 12/12/2024 00:08:30
From: dv
ID: 2224787
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rising Star cave system (also known as Westminster or Empire cave) is located in the Malmani dolomites, in Bloubank River valley, about 800 meters (0.50 miles; 2,600 feet) southwest of Swartkrans, part of the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site in South Africa. Recreational caving has occurred there since the 1960s. In 2015, fossils found there two years prior were determined to be a previously unknown extinct species of hominin named Homo naledi.

In the 1980s, the names “Empire”, “Westminster”, and “Rising Star” were used interchangeably.

The species’s name, naledi (Sesotho for “star”), and the “Dinaledi Chamber” (incorporating the Sotho word for “stars”) were so named by members of the Rising Star Expedition in reference to the species and chamber’s location in Rising Star Cave.

A portion of the cave, used by the excavation team en route to the Dinaledi Chamber, is called “Superman’s Crawl” because most people can fit through only by holding one arm tightly against the body and extending the other above the head, in the manner of Superman in flight.

The Superman Crawl opens into the “Dragon’s Back Chamber,” which includes an approximately 15 m (49 foot) exposed climb up a ridge of a sharp-edged dolomite block that fell from the roof sometime in the distant past. This block is the so-called Dragon’s Back, so named because the climbing route appears to progress from the tail to the head along the spiked spine of a mythical beast.

—-

Aw hell no.

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Date: 12/12/2024 00:17:22
From: party_pants
ID: 2224789
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rising Star cave system (also known as Westminster or Empire cave) is located in the Malmani dolomites, in Bloubank River valley, about 800 meters (0.50 miles; 2,600 feet) southwest of Swartkrans, part of the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site in South Africa. Recreational caving has occurred there since the 1960s. In 2015, fossils found there two years prior were determined to be a previously unknown extinct species of hominin named Homo naledi.

In the 1980s, the names “Empire”, “Westminster”, and “Rising Star” were used interchangeably.

The species’s name, naledi (Sesotho for “star”), and the “Dinaledi Chamber” (incorporating the Sotho word for “stars”) were so named by members of the Rising Star Expedition in reference to the species and chamber’s location in Rising Star Cave.

A portion of the cave, used by the excavation team en route to the Dinaledi Chamber, is called “Superman’s Crawl” because most people can fit through only by holding one arm tightly against the body and extending the other above the head, in the manner of Superman in flight.

The Superman Crawl opens into the “Dragon’s Back Chamber,” which includes an approximately 15 m (49 foot) exposed climb up a ridge of a sharp-edged dolomite block that fell from the roof sometime in the distant past. This block is the so-called Dragon’s Back, so named because the climbing route appears to progress from the tail to the head along the spiked spine of a mythical beast.

—-

Aw hell no.


I already knew this. I have been following developments in this area since around 2014. There was a whole National Geographic doco series about this at the time. I have been following Lee Berger’s lectures on this topic for a few years too via YouTube.

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Date: 12/12/2024 00:23:52
From: dv
ID: 2224791
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:

The Rising Star cave system (also known as Westminster or Empire cave) is located in the Malmani dolomites, in Bloubank River valley, about 800 meters (0.50 miles; 2,600 feet) southwest of Swartkrans, part of the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site in South Africa. Recreational caving has occurred there since the 1960s. In 2015, fossils found there two years prior were determined to be a previously unknown extinct species of hominin named Homo naledi.

In the 1980s, the names “Empire”, “Westminster”, and “Rising Star” were used interchangeably.

The species’s name, naledi (Sesotho for “star”), and the “Dinaledi Chamber” (incorporating the Sotho word for “stars”) were so named by members of the Rising Star Expedition in reference to the species and chamber’s location in Rising Star Cave.

A portion of the cave, used by the excavation team en route to the Dinaledi Chamber, is called “Superman’s Crawl” because most people can fit through only by holding one arm tightly against the body and extending the other above the head, in the manner of Superman in flight.

The Superman Crawl opens into the “Dragon’s Back Chamber,” which includes an approximately 15 m (49 foot) exposed climb up a ridge of a sharp-edged dolomite block that fell from the roof sometime in the distant past. This block is the so-called Dragon’s Back, so named because the climbing route appears to progress from the tail to the head along the spiked spine of a mythical beast.

—-

Aw hell no.


I already knew this. I have been following developments in this area since around 2014. There was a whole National Geographic doco series about this at the time. I have been following Lee Berger’s lectures on this topic for a few years too via YouTube.

I knew about the Rising Star Cave System but what I learned about today was about the Superman thing. Occ Health and Safety doesn’t seem to trouble archeologists.

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Date: 12/12/2024 00:30:14
From: party_pants
ID: 2224792
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


party_pants said:

dv said:

The Rising Star cave system (also known as Westminster or Empire cave) is located in the Malmani dolomites, in Bloubank River valley, about 800 meters (0.50 miles; 2,600 feet) southwest of Swartkrans, part of the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage Site in South Africa. Recreational caving has occurred there since the 1960s. In 2015, fossils found there two years prior were determined to be a previously unknown extinct species of hominin named Homo naledi.

In the 1980s, the names “Empire”, “Westminster”, and “Rising Star” were used interchangeably.

The species’s name, naledi (Sesotho for “star”), and the “Dinaledi Chamber” (incorporating the Sotho word for “stars”) were so named by members of the Rising Star Expedition in reference to the species and chamber’s location in Rising Star Cave.

A portion of the cave, used by the excavation team en route to the Dinaledi Chamber, is called “Superman’s Crawl” because most people can fit through only by holding one arm tightly against the body and extending the other above the head, in the manner of Superman in flight.

The Superman Crawl opens into the “Dragon’s Back Chamber,” which includes an approximately 15 m (49 foot) exposed climb up a ridge of a sharp-edged dolomite block that fell from the roof sometime in the distant past. This block is the so-called Dragon’s Back, so named because the climbing route appears to progress from the tail to the head along the spiked spine of a mythical beast.

—-

Aw hell no.


I already knew this. I have been following developments in this area since around 2014. There was a whole National Geographic doco series about this at the time. I have been following Lee Berger’s lectures on this topic for a few years too via YouTube.

I knew about the Rising Star Cave System but what I learned about today was about the Superman thing. Occ Health and Safety doesn’t seem to trouble archeologists.

Lee Berger famously put out a social media post asking for archeologists with caving/climbing experience and not more that a certain height and size. Nearly all of the excavators were petite women. They did the digging with the aid of a via video link to all the old fatties who couldn’t squeeze through the gap..

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Date: 12/12/2024 01:00:37
From: party_pants
ID: 2224793
Subject: re: today I learned

Gout Gout.

A junior athletics sprinter in Australia.

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Date: 12/12/2024 01:44:16
From: dv
ID: 2224795
Subject: re: today I learned

Ipswich lad

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Date: 12/12/2024 05:12:32
From: kii
ID: 2224798
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Gout Gout.

A junior athletics sprinter in Australia.

The story on his name is interesting, and important. His parents named him Guot Guot. It was spelt incorrectly when his birth was registered. Also, iirc, it’s pronounced “Gwot Gwot”, not “Gout Gout”.
So, there’s that.

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Date: 12/12/2024 07:16:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2224805
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Something else I learned from Professor Laura is that the holotype specimen for Australopithecus afarensis is not the famous Lucy skeleton discovered by Donald Johanson but is instead LH 4, a mandible discovered by Mary Leakey.

Both specimens were unearthed in 1974. Johanson et all used a large number of fossils to determine that they represented a new species, A. afarensis, in 1978.
Lucy is a 40% complete skeleton and it seems like a slam dunk that it should be the holotype specimen for this species but he selected LH 4 because of its good state of preservation, but according to Professor Laura, it was actually to embarrass Leakey for not realising that the pieces she had uncovered represented a new species, because Johanson is, in Laura’s words, kind of a dick.

Huh! Well there you go. I though the same about Lucy.

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:31:21
From: dv
ID: 2224831
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:34:19
From: kii
ID: 2224832
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Like a bonsai?

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:37:29
From: Michael V
ID: 2224834
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Like a bonsai?

Giggle.

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:46:22
From: Kingy
ID: 2224836
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Another perfect 6 foot tall blue eyed blond Aryan specimen just like Adolf.

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:49:35
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2224837
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Shikoku is also the home of the himler, a small evergreen plant……………..

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Date: 12/12/2024 10:53:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2224838
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Shikoku is also the home of the himler, a small evergreen plant……………..

You’re fibbing.

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Date: 12/12/2024 11:03:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2224839
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Like a bonsai?

LOL

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Date: 12/12/2024 13:25:55
From: dv
ID: 2224882
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Like a bonsai?

Exactly

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Date: 12/12/2024 13:56:40
From: Neophyte
ID: 2224900
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Good grief, did you never watch The World At War…?

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:11:46
From: dv
ID: 2224904
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Good grief, did you never watch The World At War…?

Bit before my time I suppose

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:19:31
From: dv
ID: 2224908
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Neophyte said:

dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Good grief, did you never watch The World At War…?

Bit before my time I suppose

Having now checked it out on youtube I do recall this, especially the haunting theme music. Narrated by Laurence Olivier.

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:20:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2224909
Subject: re: today I learned

In WW2, the very first aircraft shot down by a Spitfire was another RAF fighter, a Hurricane.

This embarrassing (and tragic) incident was a result of radar stations mistaking returning RAF fighters for an enemy raid, and is known as the Battle of Barking Creek.

Wikipedia takes up the story:

On 6 September 1939, John Freeborn took part in an action later called the Battle of Barking Creek, in which two No. 56 Squadron Hurricanes were intercepted and shot down by aircraft from No. 74 Squadron, thereby becoming the first aircraft destroyed by a Spitfire. Freeborn shot down the aircraft killing Pilot Officer Montague Hulton-Harrop.

Freeborn felt that his commanding officer, Sailor Malan, tried to evade responsibility for the incident. At the ensuing court martial, Malan testified for the prosecution against his own pilots, stating that Freeborn had been irresponsible, impetuous, and had not taken proper heed of vital communications. During the trial, Freeborn’s counsel, Sir Patrick Hastings, called Malan “a bare-faced liar.”

Though the court exonerated Freeborn completely, he regretted the death of Hulton-Harrop for the rest of his life. In 2009, he said, “I think about him nearly every day. I always have done … I’ve had a good life, and he should have had a good life too.”

Whilst Freeborn and Malan’s working relationship continued to be professional and exceptionally effective, the case strained their personal relationship. It is noteworthy that Malan did not recommend Freeborn for either of his subsequent medals. On Malan’s departure in March 1941, Freeborn was not given command.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Freeborn

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:32:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2224911
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Neophyte said:

dv said:

TIL that this is what Himmler looked like. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him before. I think he was probably a Japanese plant.

Good grief, did you never watch The World At War…?

Bit before my time I suppose

I don’t think Neo meant did you watch it live.

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:35:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2224912
Subject: re: today I learned

>>On 6 September 1939, John Freeborn took part in an action later called the Battle of Barking Creek, in which two No. 56 Squadron Hurricanes were intercepted and shot down by aircraft from No. 74 Squadron, thereby becoming the first aircraft destroyed by a Spitfire. Freeborn shot down the aircraft killing Pilot Officer Montague Hulton-Harrop.

Montague would have been one of the chaps for sure.

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:42:20
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2224913
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>On 6 September 1939, John Freeborn took part in an action later called the Battle of Barking Creek, in which two No. 56 Squadron Hurricanes were intercepted and shot down by aircraft from No. 74 Squadron, thereby becoming the first aircraft destroyed by a Spitfire. Freeborn shot down the aircraft killing Pilot Officer Montague Hulton-Harrop.

Montague would have been one of the chaps for sure.

and the guy who gave the order to engage was named Adolph…

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Date: 12/12/2024 14:51:27
From: dv
ID: 2224915
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

Neophyte said:

Good grief, did you never watch The World At War…?

Bit before my time I suppose

I don’t think Neo meant did you watch it live.

Well who knows what madness lurks in the mind of such a man

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Date: 12/12/2024 15:42:11
From: Ian
ID: 2224925
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>On 6 September 1939, John Freeborn took part in an action later called the Battle of Barking Creek, in which two No. 56 Squadron Hurricanes were intercepted and shot down by aircraft from No. 74 Squadron, thereby becoming the first aircraft destroyed by a Spitfire. Freeborn shot down the aircraft killing Pilot Officer Montague Hulton-Harrop.

Montague would have been one of the chaps for sure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek

The court martial transcript has not been released as of 2021

Bally RAF rotter … pranged his kite … right in the how’s your father … hairy blighter … dicky-birdied … … feathered back on his Sammy … took a waspy … flipped over on his Betty Harper’s … and caught his can in the Bertie!

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Date: 12/12/2024 15:45:30
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2224927
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


Peak Warming Man said:

>>On 6 September 1939, John Freeborn took part in an action later called the Battle of Barking Creek, in which two No. 56 Squadron Hurricanes were intercepted and shot down by aircraft from No. 74 Squadron, thereby becoming the first aircraft destroyed by a Spitfire. Freeborn shot down the aircraft killing Pilot Officer Montague Hulton-Harrop.

Montague would have been one of the chaps for sure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek

The court martial transcript has not been released as of 2021

Bally RAF rotter … pranged his kite … right in the how’s your father … hairy blighter … dicky-birdied … … feathered back on his Sammy … took a waspy … flipped over on his Betty Harper’s … and caught his can in the Bertie!

LOL

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Date: 12/12/2024 21:54:50
From: dv
ID: 2224999
Subject: re: today I learned

The heckelphone (German: Heckelphon) is a musical instrument invented by Wilhelm Heckel and his sons. The idea to create the instrument was initiated by Richard Wagner, who suggested its concept at the occasion of a visit of Wilhelm Heckel in 1879. Introduced in 1904, it is similar to the oboe but, like the bass oboe, pitched an octave lower, the heckelphone has a significantly larger bore.

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Date: 13/12/2024 08:25:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2225058
Subject: re: today I learned

Quora told me:

“In 1873, William Shanks calculated 707 decimal digits of π. The calculation had taken 15 years. It turned out he’d made a small mistake, so that only the first 527 digits were correct, but it remains the most precise computation of π ever performed by a human.

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Date: 13/12/2024 08:29:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2225059
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Quora told me:

“In 1873, William Shanks calculated 707 decimal digits of π. The calculation had taken 15 years. It turned out he’d made a small mistake, so that only the first 527 digits were correct, but it remains the most precise computation of π ever performed by a human.

I wonder how many years he unwittingly soldiered on after 527 digits.

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Date: 13/12/2024 22:13:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2225241
Subject: re: today I learned

June Tabor is older than me.

She was inspired to start singing by an Anne Briggs EP:

June Tabor was born and grew up in Warwick, England. As a young woman of 18, she was inspired to sing by hearing Anne Briggs’ EP The Hazards of Love in 1965.

“I went and locked myself in the bathroom for a fortnight and drove my mother mad. I learned the songs on that EP note for note, twiddle for twiddle. That’s how I started singing. If I hadn’t heard her I’d have probably done something entirely different.”

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Date: 13/12/2024 22:16:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2225243
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


June Tabor is older than me.

She was inspired to start singing by an Anne Briggs EP:

June Tabor was born and grew up in Warwick, England. As a young woman of 18, she was inspired to sing by hearing Anne Briggs’ EP The Hazards of Love in 1965.

“I went and locked myself in the bathroom for a fortnight and drove my mother mad. I learned the songs on that EP note for note, twiddle for twiddle. That’s how I started singing. If I hadn’t heard her I’d have probably done something entirely different.”

As a youngster I had an album by June Tabor and Maddy Prior called Silly Sisters.

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Date: 13/12/2024 22:39:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2225246
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

June Tabor is older than me.

She was inspired to start singing by an Anne Briggs EP:

June Tabor was born and grew up in Warwick, England. As a young woman of 18, she was inspired to sing by hearing Anne Briggs’ EP The Hazards of Love in 1965.

“I went and locked myself in the bathroom for a fortnight and drove my mother mad. I learned the songs on that EP note for note, twiddle for twiddle. That’s how I started singing. If I hadn’t heard her I’d have probably done something entirely different.”

As a youngster I had an album by June Tabor and Maddy Prior called Silly Sisters.

As an oldster, I still do :)

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Date: 14/12/2024 09:19:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2225302
Subject: re: today I learned

That there is a Spanish Mona Lisa.

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Date: 14/12/2024 09:21:04
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2225305
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


That there is a Spanish Mona Lisa.

Is it called ‘El Mona Lisa’?

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Date: 14/12/2024 09:30:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2225311
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


JudgeMental said:

That there is a Spanish Mona Lisa.

Is it called ‘El Mona Lisa’?

Since “el” is masculine, no. It would “La Mona Lisa”.

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Date: 14/12/2024 09:31:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2225312
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

That there is a Spanish Mona Lisa.

Is it called ‘El Mona Lisa’?

Since “el” is masculine, no. It would “La Mona Lisa”.

+ be

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:26:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2225363
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

Is it called ‘El Mona Lisa’?

Since “el” is masculine, no. It would “La Mona Lisa”.

+ be

You’d think that i’d know that, with the defiinite articles ‘le’ and ‘la’ in French.

And, blimey, don’t the French love masculine and feminine cases.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:32:33
From: dv
ID: 2225364
Subject: re: today I learned

I mean they are both Italian Mona Lisas really…

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:38:59
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2225367
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I mean they are both Italian Mona Lisas really…

well, it was a learning that there are other Lisa’s more than anything.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:43:44
From: dv
ID: 2225370
Subject: re: today I learned

“Because the Mona Lisa’s poplar support expands and contracts with changes in humidity, the picture has experienced some warping.”

I misread that as popular and was baffled.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:44:37
From: dv
ID: 2225372
Subject: re: today I learned

Itsy Bitsy spider is the myth of Sisyphus for kids.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:47:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2225375
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


“Because the Mona Lisa’s poplar support expands and contracts with changes in humidity, the picture has experienced some warping.”

I misread that as popular and was baffled.

So did i.

I was thinking, ‘if she’s big in Japan, she’s big in the Louvre’.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:57:23
From: kii
ID: 2225379
Subject: re: today I learned

Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

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Date: 14/12/2024 11:57:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2225380
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

Sez you.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:19:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2225387
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

I’m warped now that I live in a high humidity location.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:20:42
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225388
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

Since “el” is masculine, no. It would “La Mona Lisa”.

+ be

You’d think that i’d know that, with the defiinite articles ‘le’ and ‘la’ in French.

And, blimey, don’t the French love masculine and feminine cases.

Totally Not Woke

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:23:38
From: dv
ID: 2225391
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

Are you still pop’lar?

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:27:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225394
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

+ be

You’d think that i’d know that, with the defiinite articles ‘le’ and ‘la’ in French.

And, blimey, don’t the French love masculine and feminine cases.

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:29:13
From: Tamb
ID: 2225395
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

Are you still pop’lar?


Or on the beech?

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:32:25
From: Tamb
ID: 2225397
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

You’d think that i’d know that, with the defiinite articles ‘le’ and ‘la’ in French.

And, blimey, don’t the French love masculine and feminine cases.

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562


Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:43:12
From: Tamb
ID: 2225398
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562


Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.


Geoff D & I used to practice Indo between ourselves.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:47:43
From: buffy
ID: 2225399
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

You’d think that i’d know that, with the defiinite articles ‘le’ and ‘la’ in French.

And, blimey, don’t the French love masculine and feminine cases.

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562

I guess I assumed Indonesian had become a routine language taught in schools. I did one term in Form 1 in 1972 at Koonung High (Melbourne), and as far as I remember it was an unusual language to be taught at that time. Koonung had you do a term each of French, German and Indonesian in Form 1 and after that you chose a language for Form 2.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:48:20
From: buffy
ID: 2225400
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562


Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.

I remember it being easy. But I chose German and took that through to HSC.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:48:49
From: buffy
ID: 2225401
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562


Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.

I remember it being easy. But I chose German and took that through to HSC.

I was never going to do French. My sister did French. I didn’t like it as a language.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:50:08
From: kii
ID: 2225402
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


kii said:

Humidity may have contributed to me being warped at an early age. Now with low humidity I am no longer warped.

Are you still pop’lar?

Not since I started standing up for myself.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:51:56
From: party_pants
ID: 2225403
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


buffy said:

Tamb said:

Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.

I remember it being easy. But I chose German and took that through to HSC.

I was never going to do French. My sister did French. I didn’t like it as a language.

Was that an “ideological choice”?

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:55:35
From: Tamb
ID: 2225405
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Tamb said:

SCIENCE said:

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562


Indonesian is probably the easiest language to learn.

I remember it being easy. But I chose German and took that through to HSC.


Our household in Jakarta spoke varieties of Indo.
My young brother spoke fluent kids Indo. Mum spoke house/cooking. Dad spoke aircraft/technical & I learned mine from the well off Indo kids who went to the English speaking school with me.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:55:35
From: buffy
ID: 2225406
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

I remember it being easy. But I chose German and took that through to HSC.

I was never going to do French. My sister did French. I didn’t like it as a language.

Was that an “ideological choice”?

Not at that stage. Later, when I was running my business, I never stocked French glasses frames. I told the reps that the first nuclear test done on the Riviera would change my mind. That never happened.

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Date: 14/12/2024 12:59:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225408
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


party_pants said:

buffy said:

I was never going to do French. My sister did French. I didn’t like it as a language.

Was that an “ideological choice”?

Not at that stage. Later, when I was running my business, I never stocked French glasses frames. I told the reps that the first nuclear test done on the Riviera would change my mind. That never happened.

Fair enough.
The French deserved it.

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Date: 14/12/2024 13:06:21
From: dv
ID: 2225410
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562

I guess I assumed Indonesian had become a routine language taught in schools. I did one term in Form 1 in 1972 at Koonung High (Melbourne), and as far as I remember it was an unusual language to be taught at that time. Koonung had you do a term each of French, German and Indonesian in Form 1 and after that you chose a language for Form 2.

They stopped running at my son’s high school a couple of years before he got there, but they were running it when my daughter was there.

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Date: 14/12/2024 13:18:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2225413
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Totally Not Woke

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562

I guess I assumed Indonesian had become a routine language taught in schools. I did one term in Form 1 in 1972 at Koonung High (Melbourne), and as far as I remember it was an unusual language to be taught at that time. Koonung had you do a term each of French, German and Indonesian in Form 1 and after that you chose a language for Form 2.

We did French, German, Classical Latin and Classical Greek.

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Date: 14/12/2024 13:23:25
From: dv
ID: 2225416
Subject: re: today I learned

Although Holmes is often associated with the Deerstalker, in the original Arthur Conan Doyle stories he is never explicitly described as wearing that kind of headgear, hence the popular expression “No cap Sherlock”.

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Date: 14/12/2024 13:25:50
From: party_pants
ID: 2225418
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

meanwhile dewokification

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-14/essington-school-darwin-to-end-bahasa-indonesia-program/104679562

I guess I assumed Indonesian had become a routine language taught in schools. I did one term in Form 1 in 1972 at Koonung High (Melbourne), and as far as I remember it was an unusual language to be taught at that time. Koonung had you do a term each of French, German and Indonesian in Form 1 and after that you chose a language for Form 2.

We did French, German, Classical Latin and Classical Greek.

Foreign languages were never a big feature of my life. One school did Dutch because it was connected to the Free Reformed Church (Ia Dutch Calvinist outfit). After we left that church I didn’t get any foreign languages till I got to high school. I did French for the first year of high school but then dropped it when it became an elective subject (choose from a list), I was more interested in doing electronics instead.

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Date: 14/12/2024 14:07:31
From: buffy
ID: 2225437
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

I guess I assumed Indonesian had become a routine language taught in schools. I did one term in Form 1 in 1972 at Koonung High (Melbourne), and as far as I remember it was an unusual language to be taught at that time. Koonung had you do a term each of French, German and Indonesian in Form 1 and after that you chose a language for Form 2.

We did French, German, Classical Latin and Classical Greek.

Foreign languages were never a big feature of my life. One school did Dutch because it was connected to the Free Reformed Church (Ia Dutch Calvinist outfit). After we left that church I didn’t get any foreign languages till I got to high school. I did French for the first year of high school but then dropped it when it became an elective subject (choose from a list), I was more interested in doing electronics instead.

Back in my day (I’m getting old now…) you didn’t learn a language until you got to High School. Unless you did it in the community.

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Date: 14/12/2024 23:17:08
From: dv
ID: 2225617
Subject: re: today I learned

A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

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Date: 14/12/2024 23:33:03
From: Michael V
ID: 2225625
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Wow.

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Date: 15/12/2024 00:10:37
From: dv
ID: 2225637
Subject: re: today I learned

This kind of crown, shown here on Ptolemy IV, is called a pschent.

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Date: 15/12/2024 00:43:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2225646
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


This kind of crown, shown here on Ptolemy IV, is called a pschent.

Silent p?

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Date: 15/12/2024 00:52:09
From: dv
ID: 2225649
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

This kind of crown, shown here on Ptolemy IV, is called a pschent.

Silent p?

Apparently both with and without are acceptable variants.

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Date: 15/12/2024 00:55:18
From: Michael V
ID: 2225650
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

This kind of crown, shown here on Ptolemy IV, is called a pschent.

Silent p?

Apparently both with and without are acceptable variants.

Huh.

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Date: 15/12/2024 08:16:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2225675
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Under my radar too.

Good to know that helium is such a democratic element.

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Date: 15/12/2024 08:17:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225677
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Under my radar too.

Good to know that helium is such a democratic element.

You saw that too. ;)

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Date: 15/12/2024 08:52:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2225689
Subject: re: today I learned

of the “Association of American Physicians and Surgeons”, which according to TATE:

is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

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Date: 15/12/2024 09:01:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225693
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of the “Association of American Physicians and Surgeons”, which according to TATE:

is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

so they succeeded

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Date: 15/12/2024 09:03:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225695
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Under my radar too.

Good to know that helium is such a democratic element.

You saw that too. ;)

every one is a democritic

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Date: 15/12/2024 09:06:37
From: dv
ID: 2225698
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of the “Association of American Physicians and Surgeons”, which according to TATE:

is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

Well they did pretty well on that last part

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Date: 15/12/2024 09:10:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2225707
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of the “Association of American Physicians and Surgeons”, which according to TATE:

is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

so they succeeded

Seems like it.

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Date: 15/12/2024 19:39:13
From: dv
ID: 2225934
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Under my radar too.

Good to know that helium is such a democratic element.

IDGI

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Date: 15/12/2024 19:43:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2225936
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

A lot about the different kinds of exotic atom that have been made in the last 15 years. This stuff really flew under my radar.
Kaonic hydrogen, pionic hydrogen, muonic helium, protonium. Hepernuclei containing Xi baryons with non-standard heavy quarks.

CERN by now have a bank of knowledge on antiprotonic helium. This is helium in which one of the valence elections has been replaced with an antiproton. In 2022 they used the resonances of such atoms to show that the antiproton mass is the same as the proton mass to within a relative error of half a billionth.

Under my radar too.

Good to know that helium is such a democratic element.

IDGI

election instead of electron?

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:03:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2225944
Subject: re: today I learned

On 5 July 2024, Vallance was appointed Minister of State for Science in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology by Prime Minister Keir Starmer following the Labour Party’s victory at the 2024 general election. On 17 July 2024, he was created a Life Peer taking the title of Baron Vallance of Balham and sits on the Labour benches in the House of Lords.

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:08:19
From: dv
ID: 2225949
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

On 5 July 2024, Vallance was appointed Minister of State for Science in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology by Prime Minister Keir Starmer following the Labour Party’s victory at the 2024 general election. On 17 July 2024, he was created a Life Peer taking the title of Baron Vallance of Balham and sits on the Labour benches in the House of Lords.

LOL

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Date: 15/12/2024 21:15:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2225950
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

On 5 July 2024, Vallance was appointed Minister of State for Science in the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology by Prime Minister Keir Starmer following the Labour Party’s victory at the 2024 general election. On 17 July 2024, he was created a Life Peer taking the title of Baron Vallance of Balham and sits on the Labour benches in the House of Lords.

One of the chaps.

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Date: 16/12/2024 08:32:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2226020
Subject: re: today I learned

that ruthful is a word.

The opposite of ruthless, more or less.

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Date: 16/12/2024 08:36:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2226021
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that ruthful is a word.

The opposite of ruthless, more or less.

:) So is ruth. ;)

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Date: 16/12/2024 08:38:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2226022
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that ruthful is a word.

The opposite of ruthless, more or less.

how about ‘ruthy’?

e.g. ‘He felt very ruthy about it’.

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Date: 16/12/2024 11:28:05
From: Ian
ID: 2226127
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that ruthful is a word.

The opposite of ruthless, more or less.

I rode on my motorbike
Ruth sat on behind
I hit a bump at sixty three
And rode on ruthlessly

—-

Quoth my old man

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Date: 16/12/2024 11:28:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2226129
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that ruthful is a word.

The opposite of ruthless, more or less.

I rode on my motorbike
Ruth sat on behind
I hit a bump at sixty three
And rode on ruthlessly

—-

Quoth my old man

Heh.

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Date: 17/12/2024 14:53:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2226532
Subject: re: today I learned

The Mekarski system was a compressed-air propulsion system for trams invented by Louis Mékarski or Louis Mékarsky (the correct spelling is uncertain) in the 1870s. He worked in France, was born in 1843 in Clermont-Ferrand (center of France) of Polish origin.

A problem with compressed-air propulsion is that the air cools as it expands, which can lead to the formation of ice in the power cylinders. Mekarski sought to overcome this problem by heating the air with steam, produced in a small boiler called a bouillotte. It is uncertain whether the steam was mixed with the air, or whether there was a heat exchanger.

…The system was promoted as being suitable for use in congested streets and in tunnels, as compressed air produced no smoke or flames, and thus would not disturb horses or fill the carriage with soot and sparks like a steam engine.

But the technology had two decisive disadvantages. Firstly, sometimes the stored energy was not sufficient to bring the tram back to the filling station and secondly, the compressed air hoses tended to burst from time to time with great hiss and frighten the tram riders.

Preserved Nantes compressed air tramcar at the AMTUIR museum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mekarski_system

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Date: 17/12/2024 15:03:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2226534
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


The Mekarski system was a compressed-air propulsion system for trams invented by Louis Mékarski or Louis Mékarsky (the correct spelling is uncertain) in the 1870s. He worked in France, was born in 1843 in Clermont-Ferrand (center of France) of Polish origin.

A problem with compressed-air propulsion is that the air cools as it expands, which can lead to the formation of ice in the power cylinders. Mekarski sought to overcome this problem by heating the air with steam, produced in a small boiler called a bouillotte. It is uncertain whether the steam was mixed with the air, or whether there was a heat exchanger.

…The system was promoted as being suitable for use in congested streets and in tunnels, as compressed air produced no smoke or flames, and thus would not disturb horses or fill the carriage with soot and sparks like a steam engine.

But the technology had two decisive disadvantages. Firstly, sometimes the stored energy was not sufficient to bring the tram back to the filling station and secondly, the compressed air hoses tended to burst from time to time with great hiss and frighten the tram riders.

Preserved Nantes compressed air tramcar at the AMTUIR museum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mekarski_system

Still, good idea.

I’m sure Elon could fix the little problems if he wanted to.

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Date: 17/12/2024 15:09:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2226538
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Bubblecar said:

The Mekarski system was a compressed-air propulsion system for trams invented by Louis Mékarski or Louis Mékarsky (the correct spelling is uncertain) in the 1870s. He worked in France, was born in 1843 in Clermont-Ferrand (center of France) of Polish origin.

A problem with compressed-air propulsion is that the air cools as it expands, which can lead to the formation of ice in the power cylinders. Mekarski sought to overcome this problem by heating the air with steam, produced in a small boiler called a bouillotte. It is uncertain whether the steam was mixed with the air, or whether there was a heat exchanger.

…The system was promoted as being suitable for use in congested streets and in tunnels, as compressed air produced no smoke or flames, and thus would not disturb horses or fill the carriage with soot and sparks like a steam engine.

But the technology had two decisive disadvantages. Firstly, sometimes the stored energy was not sufficient to bring the tram back to the filling station and secondly, the compressed air hoses tended to burst from time to time with great hiss and frighten the tram riders.

Preserved Nantes compressed air tramcar at the AMTUIR museum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mekarski_system

Still, good idea.

I’m sure Elon could fix the little problems if he wanted to.

LOL

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Date: 18/12/2024 14:43:58
From: dv
ID: 2226871
Subject: re: today I learned

Elves is a 1989 American horror film directed by Jeffrey Mandel and starring Dan Haggerty, Deanna Lund, and Ken Carpenter.

Plot
edit
When teenager Kirsten accidentally cuts her hand during an “Anti-Christmas” pagan ritual with her friends Brooke and Amy in the woods, her spilled blood awakens an ancient demonic Christmas elf. The elf is the central figure in a modern-day Neo-Nazi plot to finally bring about the master race with which Hitler had always dreamed of conquering the world. Rather than a race of pure-blood Aryans, it is revealed that Hitler instead dreamed of a race of half-human/half-elf hybrids; it is also revealed that elves figured heavily into a pseudo-cult religion that the Nazis practiced in secret. Kirsten is also a figure in this plot, as she is the last remaining pure-blooded Aryan virgin in the world, her grandfather being a former Nazi who was once involved in the plot, but is now reformed; he is also her father, as inbreeding was somehow considered crucial to maintaining a pure Aryan bloodline. Unaware of all these sinister goings-on, the non-festive Kirsten continues to sulk her way through the Christmas season as she works at the snack counter of a local department store.

Mike McGavin is an ex-cop who lost his badge when he lost control of his alcoholism. Jobless, penniless, and recently served a notice of eviction from his ramshackle trailer home, Mike turns to his old friend — the manager of the department store — for help, and winds up becoming the store Santa after the prior Santa is murdered by the elf. Without a proper home, Mike sneaks into the store at night to sleep in the storage room and live off the snack counter left-overs. One night, he hears Kirsten and her friends, who have also sneaked in, frolicking through the store as they wait for their boyfriends to show up for an all-night party. The shadowy Nazi group arrives instead, planning to kidnap Kirsten and find the elf so the master race can finally be made reality. With Mike’s help, Kirsten escapes with her life, though her friends are not so lucky. Promptly fired for breaking into the store after hours, Mike and Kirsten are able to devote their time to unraveling the plot. After making a Christmas Eve visit to the local college library and later breaking into a professor’s home to demand information, Mike realizes what is afoot and sets out to protect Kirsten. Mike, Kirsten and her grandfather have a final climactic showdown with the Nazis and the elf in Kirsten’s home, culminating in the woods where Kirsten destroys the elf by performing a ritual involving an “elfstone” from her grandfather’s study. The following morning, Kirsten huddles in the now inexplicably destroyed forest as it begins to snow for the first time that winter. The film ends on the image of a fetus, suggesting perhaps that the plot was successful despite the elf’s seeming inability to actually copulate with Kirsten before its demise.

—-

Dan Haggerty is better known for playing Grizzly Adams.

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Date: 19/12/2024 00:36:26
From: dv
ID: 2227063
Subject: re: today I learned

Apparently I’ve been saying Denisovans.

It’s də NEE sə vənz.

Like starting with “Denise”.

I’ve been treating it more like a Ukrainian woman’s name. DEN i SO vənz.

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Date: 19/12/2024 00:54:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2227064
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Apparently I’ve been saying Denisovans.

It’s də NEE sə vənz.

Like starting with “Denise”.

I’ve been treating it more like a Ukrainian woman’s name. DEN i SO vənz.

A not unreasonable surmise as to its pronunciation, in the absence of advice to the contrary.

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Date: 19/12/2024 01:03:49
From: dv
ID: 2227066
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Apparently I’ve been saying Denisovans.

It’s də NEE sə vənz.

Like starting with “Denise”.

I’ve been treating it more like a Ukrainian woman’s name. DEN i SO vənz.

A not unreasonable surmise as to its pronunciation, in the absence of advice to the contrary.

Funnily enough there is a palaeontologist called Denise Evans.

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Date: 19/12/2024 09:09:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2227081
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Apparently I’ve been saying Denisovans.

It’s də NEE sə vənz.

Like starting with “Denise”.

I’ve been treating it more like a Ukrainian woman’s name. DEN i SO vənz.

A not unreasonable surmise as to its pronunciation, in the absence of advice to the contrary.

Well you are hardly going to be introducing one to a friend. Fred, this is Deni… Denee… or sovans like that.

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Date: 20/12/2024 00:46:08
From: dv
ID: 2227392
Subject: re: today I learned

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

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Date: 20/12/2024 00:48:53
From: party_pants
ID: 2227393
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

Yes. I need to catch the train into the city tomorrow night for our work Christmas do. The journey planner came up with a fare of $0.00

But, you need to have a SmartRider card. For some silly reason if you pay cash fares you will still need to pay a cash fare.

I guess part of the plan is to get more people to go cashlass and get a SmartRider card instead.

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Date: 20/12/2024 00:50:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2227394
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

Nice.

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Date: 20/12/2024 01:18:32
From: dv
ID: 2227397
Subject: re: today I learned

The song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas first appeared in the movie Meet Me in St Louis.

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Date: 20/12/2024 08:02:57
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2227413
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

Sydney will be public transport free by February.

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Date: 20/12/2024 08:59:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2227424
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

Sydney will be public transport free by February.

better get everyone working from home then

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Date: 20/12/2024 12:35:44
From: dv
ID: 2227544
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

All Perth-area public transport is free between 14 December and 5 February.

Sydney will be public transport free by February.

Lol

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Date: 20/12/2024 14:20:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2227568
Subject: re: today I learned

Tolkien served in the British Army during the First World War. He participated in the assaults on the Schwaben Redoubt and the Leipzig salient during the First Battle of the Somme. The war took the lives of most of the friends he’d made at Oxford.

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Date: 20/12/2024 19:47:17
From: Kingy
ID: 2227730
Subject: re: today I learned

of the word “impecunious”.

Thanks MV.

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Date: 20/12/2024 19:53:21
From: Michael V
ID: 2227737
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


of the word “impecunious”.

Thanks MV.

:)

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Date: 20/12/2024 20:35:07
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2227760
Subject: re: today I learned

Draughtboard Alley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canning_Town#Diversity

Link

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:28:36
From: dv
ID: 2228111
Subject: re: today I learned

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:31:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2228115
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

The bastards. Why?

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:34:10
From: Neophyte
ID: 2228116
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

First performance as well…?

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:34:55
From: party_pants
ID: 2228117
Subject: re: today I learned

Apartments in Singapore are so well sound-proofed that you can’t hear your neighbours. They could be having a rave and you wouldn’t know until you’re in the lobby.

… there, correct thread and all

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:35:01
From: dv
ID: 2228118
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

The bastards. Why?

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:36:08
From: dv
ID: 2228119
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

First performance as well…?

Seems not as the song was around for 10 years before it came to the attention of Trapp music.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:37:20
From: dv
ID: 2228122
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Apartments in Singapore are so well sound-proofed that you can’t hear your neighbours. They could be having a rave and you wouldn’t know until you’re in the lobby.

… there, correct thread and all

To be honest I found the same in the brief period I was in an apartment in Perth. Good solid concrete walls between units.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:41:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2228124
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

The first recording of Little Drummer Boy was by the famous Trapp family.

The bastards. Why?

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

To me it always seemed out of place.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:42:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2228125
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


party_pants said:

Apartments in Singapore are so well sound-proofed that you can’t hear your neighbours. They could be having a rave and you wouldn’t know until you’re in the lobby.

… there, correct thread and all

To be honest I found the same in the brief period I was in an apartment in Perth. Good solid concrete walls between units.

People might recall I lived for a few years in a terraced two-storey townhouse in Claremont, up the road from the Cadbury factory.

Those townhouses were badly soundproofed. After that experience I vowed I would never again live in conjoined circumstances.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:43:53
From: dv
ID: 2228126
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

The bastards. Why?

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

To me it always seemed out of place.

Yeah I don’t think a lot of parents with newborns would be at all grateful for some kid showing up with his drum kit

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:47:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2228129
Subject: re: today I learned

Plenty of misplaced stuff in carols – holly and ivy, figgy puddings, jingle bells etc.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:53:11
From: Neophyte
ID: 2228132
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Plenty of misplaced stuff in carols – holly and ivy, figgy puddings, jingle bells etc.

Would Santa know whether Jesus had been naughty or nice?

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:54:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2228133
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Bubblecar said:

Plenty of misplaced stuff in carols – holly and ivy, figgy puddings, jingle bells etc.

Would Santa know whether Jesus had been naughty or nice?

Jesus was long dead before Santa was born.

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Date: 21/12/2024 17:57:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2228134
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

The bastards. Why?

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

To me it always seemed out of place.

Sibeen was a saint but his love of this dreadful dirge meant he had his faults.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:01:06
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2228136
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

To me it always seemed out of place.

Yeah I don’t think a lot of parents with newborns would be at all grateful for some kid showing up with his drum kit

I posted this a couple of days ago

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:02:18
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2228137
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

To me it always seemed out of place.

Yeah I don’t think a lot of parents with newborns would be at all grateful for some kid showing up with his drum kit

I posted this a couple of days ago


with this sentence

I think it was sibeens favourite christmas tunes…

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:05:16
From: Neophyte
ID: 2228139
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Yeah I don’t think a lot of parents with newborns would be at all grateful for some kid showing up with his drum kit

I posted this a couple of days ago


with this sentence

I think it was sibeens favourite christmas tunes…

It works quite nicely in that episode of West Wing

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:09:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2228140
Subject: re: today I learned

Presumably the drummer boy sneaked aboard a Tardis and was accidentally transported back many centuries, assuming that the Jesus story is loosely based on some actual person.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:11:18
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2228141
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Presumably the drummer boy sneaked aboard a Tardis and was accidentally transported back many centuries, assuming that the Jesus story is loosely based on some actual person.


Mind you the carol was written by a 20th century American, who may have believed that Jesus himself was a Civil War figure or suchlike.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:16:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2228143
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

Presumably the drummer boy sneaked aboard a Tardis and was accidentally transported back many centuries, assuming that the Jesus story is loosely based on some actual person.


Mind you the carol was written by a 20th century American, who may have believed that Jesus himself was a Civil War figure or suchlike.

All the hucksters and snake oil salesmen and Elmer Gantry’s trying to get on the band wagon of Jesus’ birth and death including some little fucking privileged drummer boy, it’s not right.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:27:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2228151
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


party_pants said:

Apartments in Singapore are so well sound-proofed that you can’t hear your neighbours. They could be having a rave and you wouldn’t know until you’re in the lobby.

… there, correct thread and all

To be honest I found the same in the brief period I was in an apartment in Perth. Good solid concrete walls between units.

I don’t think Mr Neutrino thinks that about his unit.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:28:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2228153
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

More to the point, it’s kind of a weird song. It seems bold for a 20th century composer to just invent a new character for the Nativity.

To me it always seemed out of place.

Yeah I don’t think a lot of parents with newborns would be at all grateful for some kid showing up with his drum kit

Hence the picture in the meme thread.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:30:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2228155
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Neophyte said:

Bubblecar said:

Plenty of misplaced stuff in carols – holly and ivy, figgy puddings, jingle bells etc.

Would Santa know whether Jesus had been naughty or nice?

Jesus was long dead before Santa was born.

Santa is an anagram of Satan.

You shouldn’t accept unsolicited gifts from him.

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Date: 21/12/2024 18:32:50
From: Kingy
ID: 2228156
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

Neophyte said:

Would Santa know whether Jesus had been naughty or nice?

Jesus was long dead before Santa was born.

Santa is an anagram of Satan.

You shouldn’t accept unsolicited gifts from him.

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Date: 21/12/2024 20:33:58
From: dv
ID: 2228225
Subject: re: today I learned

The Chipping in such placenames as Chipping Norton is probably from the Old English word ceapen meaning market.

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Date: 21/12/2024 20:44:27
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2228226
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Chipping in such placenames as Chipping Norton is probably from the Old English word ceapen meaning market.

correct. We lived near Chipping Ongar.

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Date: 21/12/2024 20:46:42
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2228227
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Chipping in such placenames as Chipping Norton is probably from the Old English word ceapen meaning market.

That word ‘ceapen’.

A logical jump to ‘cheapen’?

A link to ‘Cheapside’?

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Date: 21/12/2024 20:48:32
From: dv
ID: 2228228
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

The Chipping in such placenames as Chipping Norton is probably from the Old English word ceapen meaning market.

That word ‘ceapen’.

A logical jump to ‘cheapen’?

A link to ‘Cheapside’?

wiktionary indicates the words are related

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Date: 21/12/2024 21:13:56
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2228245
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Jesus was long dead before Santa was born.

Santa is an anagram of Satan.

You shouldn’t accept unsolicited gifts from him.


and a stan

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Date: 22/12/2024 12:45:08
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2228341
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philpot_Lane

Link

two mice and cheese.

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Date: 22/12/2024 12:49:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2228344
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philpot_Lane

Link

two mice and cheese.

Ha!

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Date: 22/12/2024 12:50:08
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2228345
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 22/12/2024 12:52:12
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2228348
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:



Wrong thread sod it.

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Date: 22/12/2024 13:04:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2228360
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philpot_Lane

Link

two mice and cheese.

Shakes head.

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Date: 22/12/2024 22:48:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2228538
Subject: re: today I learned

Proposed new Hominin Homo juluensis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xujiayao

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Date: 22/12/2024 23:40:32
From: Kingy
ID: 2228541
Subject: re: today I learned

The guy that was trying to work out how rainbows worked(CTR Wilson), invented the cloud chamber to try to make them in a lab, and accidentally found radioactive particles.

He abandoned his original idea, and discovered an entirely new area of physics.

Hello cloud chamber and a Nobel prize.

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Date: 23/12/2024 12:15:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2228637
Subject: re: today I learned

In ancient Rome, a lanista was a person who owned, trained, and managed a group of gladiators. They would sell or rent out their gladiators to producers who organized games. Lanistas were often wealthy, but were considered to have a low social status. They were often compared to pimps and butchers because they traded in humans for profit. The word lanista comes from Latin and is of Etruscan origin.
Over.

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Date: 23/12/2024 12:27:14
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2228649
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:

In ancient Rome, a lanista was a person who owned, trained, and managed a group of gladiators. They would sell or rent out their gladiators to producers who organized games. Lanistas were often wealthy, but were considered to have a low social status. They were often compared to pimps and butchers because they traded in humans for profit. The word lanista comes from Latin and is of Etruscan origin.
Over.

wait when did butchers stop trading in humans for profit

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Date: 25/12/2024 00:25:40
From: dv
ID: 2229105
Subject: re: today I learned

The first Bee Gees song to chart in either the USA or the UK was called “New York Mining Disaster 1941”.

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Date: 25/12/2024 00:34:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2229106
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first Bee Gees song to chart in either the USA or the UK was called “New York Mining Disaster 1941”.

in the event of something happening to me.

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Date: 25/12/2024 13:55:17
From: dv
ID: 2229252
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael Caine does not blink in films.

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Date: 25/12/2024 13:58:27
From: Neophyte
ID: 2229253
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael Caine does not blink in films.

They should have given him a walk-on role in that Doctor Who episode.

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Date: 25/12/2024 14:17:25
From: dv
ID: 2229254
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

Michael Caine does not blink in films.

They should have given him a walk-on role in that Doctor Who episode.

Quite

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Date: 25/12/2024 14:53:23
From: btm
ID: 2229256
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael Caine does not blink in films.

And Peter Falk had a glass eye, which is why he never moves his eyes if he wants to look left or right, but turns his head. He played baseball in high school; on one occasion he disagreed with the umpire’s decision, so took out his glass eye and offered it to him, saying “Here, you need this more than I do!”

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Date: 25/12/2024 18:22:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2229268
Subject: re: today I learned

btm said:


dv said:

Michael Caine does not blink in films.

And Peter Falk had a glass eye, which is why he never moves his eyes if he wants to look left or right, but turns his head. He played baseball in high school; on one occasion he disagreed with the umpire’s decision, so took out his glass eye and offered it to him, saying “Here, you need this more than I do!”

and Robert Mitchem had a wooden leg.
Not many people know that.

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Date: 25/12/2024 18:39:09
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2229269
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


btm said:

dv said:

Michael Caine does not blink in films.

And Peter Falk had a glass eye, which is why he never moves his eyes if he wants to look left or right, but turns his head. He played baseball in high school; on one occasion he disagreed with the umpire’s decision, so took out his glass eye and offered it to him, saying “Here, you need this more than I do!”

and Robert Mitchem had a wooden leg.
Not many people know that.

His left leg was perfect, I had nothing against his left leg.

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Date: 25/12/2024 18:41:13
From: Neophyte
ID: 2229270
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

btm said:

And Peter Falk had a glass eye, which is why he never moves his eyes if he wants to look left or right, but turns his head. He played baseball in high school; on one occasion he disagreed with the umpire’s decision, so took out his glass eye and offered it to him, saying “Here, you need this more than I do!”

and Robert Mitchem had a wooden leg.
Not many people know that.

His left leg was perfect, I had nothing against his left leg.

Problem was, neither did he.

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Date: 26/12/2024 16:45:08
From: Michael V
ID: 2229477
Subject: re: today I learned

New ford for me, in a cryptic crossword clue. Not what I expected, either.

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Date: 27/12/2024 08:02:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2229568
Subject: re: today I learned

that one of the residents of 10 Downing St. is titled the Chief Mouser

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:00:56
From: dv
ID: 2229659
Subject: re: today I learned

In 1997, the Coral Sea Islands Territory was extended to include Elizabeth Reef and Middleton Reef, shown at the red symbol here, which are quite near Lord Howe and, you know, not near the Coral Sea.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:03:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2229660
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In 1997, the Coral Sea Islands Territory was extended to include Elizabeth Reef and Middleton Reef, shown at the red symbol here, which are quite near Lord Howe and, you know, not near the Coral Sea.

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:08:05
From: party_pants
ID: 2229664
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

In 1997, the Coral Sea Islands Territory was extended to include Elizabeth Reef and Middleton Reef, shown at the red symbol here, which are quite near Lord Howe and, you know, not near the Coral Sea.

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:10:22
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2229666
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

In 1997, the Coral Sea Islands Territory was extended to include Elizabeth Reef and Middleton Reef, shown at the red symbol here, which are quite near Lord Howe and, you know, not near the Coral Sea.

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:11:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2229668
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Like something Trump may draw?

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:12:25
From: Cymek
ID: 2229669
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

In 1997, the Coral Sea Islands Territory was extended to include Elizabeth Reef and Middleton Reef, shown at the red symbol here, which are quite near Lord Howe and, you know, not near the Coral Sea.

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

I suppose as a new super power they just use the old might is right and take it and dare others to stop them

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:12:39
From: dv
ID: 2229671
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Christmas Island is next

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:15:55
From: party_pants
ID: 2229672
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Basically they claimed whatever had “belonged” to Japan. Since Japan was defeated, all of Japan’s territory outside their home islands was up for grabs, to be divided as spoils among the victors. Except the US was more concerned with rebuilding the defeated enemies into robust democracies rather than imposing carve-ups and harsh reparations, like what happened after WW1.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:17:05
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2229673
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Christmas Island is next

which one?

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:19:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2229677
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Christmas Island is next

which one?

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:19:41
From: party_pants
ID: 2229678
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

Now we know from where China got those funny ideas about islands in the South China Sea.

Not really. It was an ambit claim to bring to the table at the peace talks after WW2. However, since China collapsed into civil war straight after WW2 ended, they didn’t get a seat at that table, from either side. So they still cling to their silly ambit claim.

I suppose as a new super power they just use the old might is right and take it and dare others to stop them

I think China are in for a period of stagnation now. they got too big for their boots and decided they could challenge the US. Their economy is still reliant on exports to the US. The tariff wars are already beginning to bite, even before Trump has taken office. The property market in China has finally crashed, as many people predicted it would.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:20:55
From: dv
ID: 2229680
Subject: re: today I learned

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, based on a crude map with a dotted line that someone drew at the time.

Just as a child might draw a picture of what they want most for Christmas.

Christmas Island is next

which one?

Well the one in Nova Scotia would be hard for China to administer, so either the Indian Ocean one or the Bass Strait one. Naturally the Western Christmas comes first.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:24:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2229682
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Christmas Island is next

which one?

Well the one in Nova Scotia would be hard for China to administer, so either the Indian Ocean one or the Bass Strait one. Naturally the Western Christmas comes first.

I don’t see why Nova Scotia would be a stretch for the Chinese.

Trump says that they’re running the Panama Canal, so NS should be no great challenge for them.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:25:35
From: dv
ID: 2229684
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

JudgeMental said:

which one?

Well the one in Nova Scotia would be hard for China to administer, so either the Indian Ocean one or the Bass Strait one. Naturally the Western Christmas comes first.

I don’t see why Nova Scotia would be a stretch for the Chinese.

Trump says that they’re running the Panama Canal, so NS should be no great challenge for them.

Fair point and if they can use Greenland to refuel all the better

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:33:14
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2229690
Subject: re: today I learned

In a small town in County Cork, Ireland, a monument stands in appreciation to the American Choctaw Indian Tribe.

Although impoverished, shortly after being forced to walk the Trail of Tears, the tribe somehow gathered $170 to send to Ireland for famine relief in 1847.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:36:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2229693
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


In a small town in County Cork, Ireland, a monument stands in appreciation to the American Choctaw Indian Tribe.

Although impoverished, shortly after being forced to walk the Trail of Tears, the tribe somehow gathered $170 to send to Ireland for famine relief in 1847.

That’s a pleasant gesture.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:39:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2229698
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


In a small town in County Cork, Ireland, a monument stands in appreciation to the American Choctaw Indian Tribe.

Although impoverished, shortly after being forced to walk the Trail of Tears, the tribe somehow gathered $170 to send to Ireland for famine relief in 1847.

That’s a heart warming bit of history to learn today.

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Date: 27/12/2024 12:56:22
From: Michael V
ID: 2229713
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


In a small town in County Cork, Ireland, a monument stands in appreciation to the American Choctaw Indian Tribe.

Although impoverished, shortly after being forced to walk the Trail of Tears, the tribe somehow gathered $170 to send to Ireland for famine relief in 1847.

Awwww.

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Date: 28/12/2024 08:12:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2229995
Subject: re: today I learned

Another piece from Quora:

Every student learns that Isaac Newton discovered gravity or that Charles Darwin discovered evolution, but when talking about the composition of the universe, the textbooks say ‘it was discovered that the most abundant atom is hydrogen’ but they do not mention that it was Cecilia Payne who discovered it…


Cecilia, applying innovative analysis methods that she had studied on her own, calculated the abundance of the chemical elements of the stars from the observation of their spectrum, demonstrating that the stars are mainly made up of hydrogen and helium. It was a revolutionary discovery!

Cecilia’s mother refused to spend money to educate her at university because she was a woman and so, to continue her studies, she had to win a scholarship to Cambridge.

She completed her education brilliantly and decided to move to the United States to work at Harvard.

Cecilia Payne was the first person to earn a doctorate in Astronomy from the Radcliffe School, with a thesis that Otto Strauve called “the most brilliant thesis ever written in Astronomy.” She was the first woman to hold a permanent chair at Harvard and it is thanks to her that others followed her example in the field of science and astronomy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Payne-Gaposchkin

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:06:34
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2230754
Subject: re: today I learned

of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:14:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2230758
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

Shenanigans.

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:18:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2230760
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:30:12
From: Michael V
ID: 2230761
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

And the heating stove in his study?

And the deliberate act (rather than absent-minded act)?

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:46:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2230766
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

And the heating stove in his study?

And the deliberate act (rather than absent-minded act)?

A heating stove in the study seems quite plausible for an English winter.

Another description of the same incident suggests it was absent mindedness (or deep focus on more important stuff) rather than a deliberate act.

But it is quite possible that it’s just a story, to illustrate his absent-mindedness.

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Date: 30/12/2024 08:59:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2230769
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

And the heating stove in his study?

And the deliberate act (rather than absent-minded act)?

A heating stove in the study seems quite plausible for an English winter.

Another description of the same incident suggests it was absent mindedness (or deep focus on more important stuff) rather than a deliberate act.

But it is quite possible that it’s just a story, to illustrate his absent-mindedness.

I meant cooking stove, not heating stove, sorry . Cooking on a heating stove is difficult.

Absent-mindedness, I accept as an explanation for a routine act that goes haywire. eg Einstein and his socks. (And I have several other stories including some of my own, and one that involves a professor of geology at Dunedin.)

But cooking an egg is unlikely to be a routine act for somebody who has servants to do such things.

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:00:56
From: Michael V
ID: 2230770
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

And the heating stove in his study?

And the deliberate act (rather than absent-minded act)?

A heating stove in the study seems quite plausible for an English winter.

Another description of the same incident suggests it was absent mindedness (or deep focus on more important stuff) rather than a deliberate act.

But it is quite possible that it’s just a story, to illustrate his absent-mindedness.

I suspect the latter.

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:03:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2230771
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

heh.

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:05:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2230772
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

Yes they have been around a long time.

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:07:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 2230773
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

And the heating stove in his study?

And the deliberate act (rather than absent-minded act)?

A heating stove in the study seems quite plausible for an English winter.

Another description of the same incident suggests it was absent mindedness (or deep focus on more important stuff) rather than a deliberate act.

But it is quite possible that it’s just a story, to illustrate his absent-mindedness.


They had bed warmers.

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:47:26
From: dv
ID: 2230790
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

rcr

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:48:30
From: dv
ID: 2230792
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of our mate Newton:

One morning he was working very hard, and did not leave his room to go and have breakfast with the family. The housekeeper, however, sent one of the maids into his study with an egg and a saucepan of water. The maid had been told to boil the egg and stay while he ate it, but as he wished to be alone, Newton sent her away, saying that he would cook it himself. The maid left it near his watch on the table, and, telling him to let it boil for three min­utes, left the room. She returned soon after and found Newton standing deep in thought, the egg in his hand, while his watch was boiling in the saucepan.

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

Don’t let wikipedia fob you off

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Date: 30/12/2024 09:49:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2230795
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Shenanigans.

Wait a minute, did people even have watches back then?

It seems they did

Don’t let wikipedia fob you off

:) you pe-n-dant.

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Date: 30/12/2024 22:03:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2231104
Subject: re: today I learned

of “reversible computing”.

I say I learned of it, I learned that there is something called that, and that it is supposedly way more energy efficient than normal computing.

Just how it works, and what makes it more efficient, I still have not a clue.

Here’s what TATE say about it anyway:
Reversible computing

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Date: 31/12/2024 07:42:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2231143
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of “reversible computing”.

I say I learned of it, I learned that there is something called that, and that it is supposedly way more energy efficient than normal computing.

Just how it works, and what makes it more efficient, I still have not a clue.

Here’s what TATE say about it anyway:
Reversible computing

This Witty link from chat should help my learnin on these reversible computer things:

What Is Entropy? A Measure of Just How Little We Really Know.

Exactly 200 years ago, a French engineer introduced an idea that would quantify the universe’s inexorable slide into decay. But entropy, as it’s currently understood, is less a fact about the world than a reflection of our growing ignorance. Embracing that truth is leading to a rethink of everything from rational decision-making to the limits of machines.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-is-entropy-a-measure-of-just-how-little-we-really-know-20241213/?

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Date: 31/12/2024 08:32:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2231148
Subject: re: today I learned

Adding to that. The study reveals that grape pairs generate localized magnetic field hotspots for microwaves, aiding compact and cost-effective quantum sensor development.

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Date: 31/12/2024 09:50:11
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2231172
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of “reversible computing”.

I say I learned of it, I learned that there is something called that, and that it is supposedly way more energy efficient than normal computing.

Just how it works, and what makes it more efficient, I still have not a clue.

Here’s what TATE say about it anyway:
Reversible computing

This Witty link from chat should help my learnin on these reversible computer things:

What Is Entropy? A Measure of Just How Little We Really Know.

Exactly 200 years ago, a French engineer introduced an idea that would quantify the universe’s inexorable slide into decay. But entropy, as it’s currently understood, is less a fact about the world than a reflection of our growing ignorance. Embracing that truth is leading to a rethink of everything from rational decision-making to the limits of machines.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-is-entropy-a-measure-of-just-how-little-we-really-know-20241213/?

I have now read the Witty link.

Here is the TLDR summary:

Ares said. “In my experience, we are still very lost here.”

I also learned of the Szilard engine, about which I am also still very lost.

But it’s worth a read, in spite of being TL.

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Date: 31/12/2024 09:57:09
From: Ian
ID: 2231174
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of “reversible computing”.

I say I learned of it, I learned that there is something called that, and that it is supposedly way more energy efficient than normal computing.

Just how it works, and what makes it more efficient, I still have not a clue.

Here’s what TATE say about it anyway:
Reversible computing

This Witty link from chat should help my learnin on these reversible computer things:

What Is Entropy? A Measure of Just How Little We Really Know.

Exactly 200 years ago, a French engineer introduced an idea that would quantify the universe’s inexorable slide into decay. But entropy, as it’s currently understood, is less a fact about the world than a reflection of our growing ignorance. Embracing that truth is leading to a rethink of everything from rational decision-making to the limits of machines.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-is-entropy-a-measure-of-just-how-little-we-really-know-20241213/?

I have now read the Witty link.

Here is the TLDR summary:

Ares said. “In my experience, we are still very lost here.”

I also learned of the Szilard engine, about which I am also still very lost.

But it’s worth a read, in spite of being TL.

Yeah. I’m dubious about the Slizard engine etc.

I liked this quote..

“Nothing in life is certain except death, taxes and the second law of thermodynamics.”

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Date: 31/12/2024 15:50:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2231282
Subject: re: today I learned

…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

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Date: 31/12/2024 15:56:23
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2231284
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

What Would Liquid Nitrogen Do

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Date: 31/12/2024 15:58:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2231285
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

What Would Liquid Nitrogen Do

Regrettably, i forgot to buy liquid nitrogen when i was at Coles.

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Date: 31/12/2024 16:02:41
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2231290
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

salt content.

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Date: 31/12/2024 16:03:09
From: Tamb
ID: 2231291
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

What Would Liquid Nitrogen Do


In a domestic freezer it would boil away,

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Date: 31/12/2024 16:14:26
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2231294
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


captain_spalding said:

…that Vegemite does not freeze.

Put the Vegemite jar in the freezer by mistake yesterday. It was in there overnight.

I found that, straight out of the freezer, the Vegemite appeared to be entirely unaffected by it. Exactly the same consistency as normal.

salt content.

Ah.

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Date: 1/01/2025 13:39:34
From: dv
ID: 2231685
Subject: re: today I learned

One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

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Date: 1/01/2025 13:43:37
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2231688
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

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Date: 1/01/2025 14:03:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2231694
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

buffy grows Tetragonia tetragonioides as a vegetable. She gave me some seeds, but I had no luck germinating them. It should grow here. I’ll probably try again some time.

We got a piece of native pigface (Carpobrotus glaucescens) from the beach. It took a while to get going, but it is a permanent leafy green vegetable in the garden now.

Thee most recent leafy green trial is Aibika (Abelmoschus manihot) which is a shrub, native to northern Queensland (and elsewhere), and a very popular leafy green in PNG. It didn’t do well in the ground, and is now in a pot. It is very tasty. Unfortunately, the grasshoppers think so also. I got my original cutting from a woman from PNG who grows it quite successfully here. Trish and I need to swap notes again about it.

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Date: 1/01/2025 14:46:22
From: dv
ID: 2231713
Subject: re: today I learned

The first European settlement in what is now Western Australia was at King George the Third’s Sound, now the site of the city of Albany. It was a military outpost whose construction was ordered by the Governor of New South Wales in 1826, in order to strengthen the Crown’s claim to the whole of the Australian continent and hence forestall any French ambitions.

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Date: 1/01/2025 15:06:26
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2231722
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The first European settlement in what is now Western Australia was at King George the Third’s Sound, now the site of the city of Albany. It was a military outpost whose construction was ordered by the Governor of New South Wales in 1826, in order to strengthen the Crown’s claim to the whole of the Australian continent and hence forestall any French ambitions.

I’m certainly glad the British founded Australia.

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Date: 1/01/2025 15:08:41
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2231724
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

The first European settlement in what is now Western Australia was at King George the Third’s Sound, now the site of the city of Albany. It was a military outpost whose construction was ordered by the Governor of New South Wales in 1826, in order to strengthen the Crown’s claim to the whole of the Australian continent and hence forestall any French ambitions.

I’m certainly glad the British founded Australia.

Qui!

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:13:16
From: buffy
ID: 2231740
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

The one around the coast is often T. implexicoma, but they are very similar. I’ve been growing T. tetragonoides for quite a few years. I like it better than silver beet or spinach. Apparently there is little record of the local people eating it as greens, but then the record is could hardly be considered complete. Europeans had nothing to learn about this country from the local inhabitants really…

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:13:44
From: buffy
ID: 2231741
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

Like she said!

:)

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:18:40
From: kii
ID: 2231742
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

Like she said!

:)

I’ve never eaten it, but I knew about the HMS Endeavour’s crew and the vitamin C. Random things that stick in my brain. Maybe my father told me, he was very into plants, especially as a source of food.

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:21:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2231743
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

Like she said!

:)

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:25:42
From: buffy
ID: 2231746
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

Like she said!

:)

That lot doesn’t look particularly appetising. I’ll take the camera outside.

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:28:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2231748
Subject: re: today I learned

>>But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy

Anything pickled will combat scurvy.

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:37:39
From: buffy
ID: 2231751
Subject: re: today I learned

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:39:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2231752
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


All looks wholesome and tasty.

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Date: 1/01/2025 16:46:20
From: dv
ID: 2231757
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


>>But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy

Anything pickled will combat scurvy.

Not many people know that.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:08:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2231799
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


:)

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:09:21
From: Michael V
ID: 2231800
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Like she said!

:)

That lot doesn’t look particularly appetising. I’ll take the camera outside.

I think it has been wilted or boiled.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:10:22
From: Michael V
ID: 2231802
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

>>But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy

Anything pickled will combat scurvy.

Not many people know that.

LOL

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:15:49
From: ruby
ID: 2231807
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


:)

MV, if you want to have another go at Tetragonia tetragonoides, I can send you some seed from my plants. I was given one a few years ago along with the words ‘you’ll only need one plant, it will pop up year after year without you having to do anything’. It does indeed! Sharp pointy headed seeds which are a bit ouchy if you tread on them with bare feet.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:17:03
From: dv
ID: 2231808
Subject: re: today I learned

Well we should expect buffy to come down with scurvy any time soon

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:17:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2231809
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

One often sees “Warrigal Greens” on a menu these days. This is Tetragonia tetragonioides, which you’ll often see growing near beaches in Australia. I assumed that its consumption by humans was a new thing.

But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy more than 250 years ago. T. tetragonioides contains about 70% of the concentration of Vitamin C as limes.

i used to grow and eat. Buffy still does.

It even grows way out here. But only where it gets the water. It cannot go long without a drink.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:19:02
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2231813
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

>>But TIL that the crew of the HMS Endeavour collected, pickled and ate it to combat scurvy

Anything pickled will combat scurvy.

Not many people know that.

we still don’t know it

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:20:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2231815
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


:)

MV, if you want to have another go at Tetragonia tetragonoides, I can send you some seed from my plants. I was given one a few years ago along with the words ‘you’ll only need one plant, it will pop up year after year without you having to do anything’. It does indeed! Sharp pointy headed seeds which are a bit ouchy if you tread on them with bare feet.

I might take you up on that lovely offer, but not right now – need to get on top of a few things, and I am going backwards quite fast.

Thanks.

:)

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:22:57
From: ruby
ID: 2231818
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


ruby said:

Michael V said:

:)

MV, if you want to have another go at Tetragonia tetragonoides, I can send you some seed from my plants. I was given one a few years ago along with the words ‘you’ll only need one plant, it will pop up year after year without you having to do anything’. It does indeed! Sharp pointy headed seeds which are a bit ouchy if you tread on them with bare feet.

I might take you up on that lovely offer, but not right now – need to get on top of a few things, and I am going backwards quite fast.

Thanks.

:)

When you are ready, let me know.
Hope you get sorted soon. My mum had a similar problem with her blood pressure medication. It took a change of doctor to get it fixed up with different medication. No more dizzy spells etc since.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:30:13
From: dv
ID: 2231821
Subject: re: today I learned

All this does raise a question.
Vitamin C was not discovered until the 20th century but various foods were known to have ascorbic properties since at least the time of Vasco de Gama. Did Banks do some kind of test of the Warrigal Greens to determine whether they were ascorbic or did the crew just gather up a bunch of weeds and it later turned out that they were ascorbic?

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:30:20
From: buffy
ID: 2231822
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


:)

MV, if you want to have another go at Tetragonia tetragonoides, I can send you some seed from my plants. I was given one a few years ago along with the words ‘you’ll only need one plant, it will pop up year after year without you having to do anything’. It does indeed! Sharp pointy headed seeds which are a bit ouchy if you tread on them with bare feet.

Yes, I get lots of babies. But I only need one plant on the go for food at once.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:30:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2231823
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Michael V said:

ruby said:

MV, if you want to have another go at Tetragonia tetragonoides, I can send you some seed from my plants. I was given one a few years ago along with the words ‘you’ll only need one plant, it will pop up year after year without you having to do anything’. It does indeed! Sharp pointy headed seeds which are a bit ouchy if you tread on them with bare feet.

I might take you up on that lovely offer, but not right now – need to get on top of a few things, and I am going backwards quite fast.

Thanks.

:)

When you are ready, let me know.
Hope you get sorted soon. My mum had a similar problem with her blood pressure medication. It took a change of doctor to get it fixed up with different medication. No more dizzy spells etc since.

Ta.

:)

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:34:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2231825
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

All this does raise a question.
Vitamin C was not discovered until the 20th century but various foods were known to have ascorbic properties since at least the time of Vasco de Gama. Did Banks do some kind of test of the Warrigal Greens to determine whether they were ascorbic or did the crew just gather up a bunch of weeds and it later turned out that they were ascorbic?

why not just the people who did things that worked survived to pass on what they kept doing and the people who didn’t didn’t

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:41:39
From: buffy
ID: 2231828
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

All this does raise a question.
Vitamin C was not discovered until the 20th century but various foods were known to have ascorbic properties since at least the time of Vasco de Gama. Did Banks do some kind of test of the Warrigal Greens to determine whether they were ascorbic or did the crew just gather up a bunch of weeds and it later turned out that they were ascorbic?

why not just the people who did things that worked survived to pass on what they kept doing and the people who didn’t didn’t

Possibly just thought it looked like spinach and took a punt.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:42:26
From: Michael V
ID: 2231829
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


All this does raise a question.
Vitamin C was not discovered until the 20th century but various foods were known to have ascorbic properties since at least the time of Vasco de Gama. Did Banks do some kind of test of the Warrigal Greens to determine whether they were ascorbic or did the crew just gather up a bunch of weeds and it later turned out that they were ascorbic?

Possibly just that they were somewhat acidic-tasting.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:46:57
From: Ian
ID: 2231831
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:51:09
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2231833
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

>Dock pudding was especially popular in the Victorian era, but was considered a famine food in the 20th century. Very few people eat it now, but there is an outlier because the West Yorkshire town of Mytholmroyd has held the World Dock Pudding Championships every May since 1971.

https://britishfoodhistory.com/2023/05/26/dock-pudding/

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Date: 1/01/2025 18:55:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 2231835
Subject: re: today I learned

Captain James Cook travelled on long voyages where scurvy posed a real threat to his crews’ survival.

At the time, there was a poor understanding of what actually caused it. (Hint: It’s a lack of Vitamin C). Cook remarked that the Dutch sailors seemed to suffer far less than their British counterparts so he enquired as to what they might be doing that was different.

After a period of observation, he remarked that they all carried barrels of sauerkraut onboard.

So Cook ordered for his ships to follow suit.

However, having the sauerkraut (which contains small amounts of Vitamin C) onboard and getting his sailors to actually eat the stuff were two different things.

The British sailors hated the foreign ‘kraut’ and wanted to stick to their own food.

So how did he get his cantankerous crew to eat sauerkraut?

Well…for a while he served it only to his officers whilst making sure that they ate it in front of the crew. It wasn’t long before envy set in.

Then, one day, he said “Well, I suppose the men can have it one day a week.”

In one stroke, he had his whole crew eating the stuff, saving many lives and ensuring the success of his many overseas voyages.

*So he’d been feeding them pickles all along.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:05:01
From: dv
ID: 2231837
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

All this does raise a question.
Vitamin C was not discovered until the 20th century but various foods were known to have ascorbic properties since at least the time of Vasco de Gama. Did Banks do some kind of test of the Warrigal Greens to determine whether they were ascorbic or did the crew just gather up a bunch of weeds and it later turned out that they were ascorbic?

why not just the people who did things that worked survived to pass on what they kept doing and the people who didn’t didn’t

Possibly just thought it looked like spinach and took a punt.

Fair

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:07:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2231838
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

Huh!

I didn’t know that. It grew as a weed in Armidale. I was always digging it out. I would have eaten it had I known.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:19:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2231842
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Ian said:

buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

>Dock pudding was especially popular in the Victorian era, but was considered a famine food in the 20th century. Very few people eat it now, but there is an outlier because the West Yorkshire town of Mytholmroyd has held the World Dock Pudding Championships every May since 1971.

https://britishfoodhistory.com/2023/05/26/dock-pudding/

Thanks for that. I might have to try making that (using greens other than dock).

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:21:11
From: Ian
ID: 2231843
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Ian said:

buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

Huh!

I didn’t know that. It grew as a weed in Armidale. I was always digging it out. I would have eaten it had I known.

Well, I’m not surprised.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:24:33
From: Ian
ID: 2231845
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Ian said:

buffy said:

Here you go…Tetragonia tetragonoides. It’s a sprawler, so I set up a wall behind it to make it go up. Easier to pick and it doesn’t get as dirty this way.

The plant:

The leaves look like this:

And the flowers are set down inside where a leaf comes off the stem. One of the ways of telling tetragonoides from implexicoma is that implexicoma flowers are up on a little stalk. And it has a slightly different leaf shape and tends to be a little bluish.

I’ve let the Portulaca (oleracea) grow wild as a weed too. It is also edible. MV taught me that. Sometimes I use it scattered over a salad.


Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

>Dock pudding was especially popular in the Victorian era, but was considered a famine food in the 20th century. Very few people eat it now, but there is an outlier because the West Yorkshire town of Mytholmroyd has held the World Dock Pudding Championships every May since 1971.

https://britishfoodhistory.com/2023/05/26/dock-pudding/

Probly quite nice… without the Dock

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:25:11
From: buffy
ID: 2231846
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Bubblecar said:

Ian said:

Weeds!!

You can also use Dock like spinach.. but take precautions against its poisonous nature.

Blah.. give it miss as well.

>Dock pudding was especially popular in the Victorian era, but was considered a famine food in the 20th century. Very few people eat it now, but there is an outlier because the West Yorkshire town of Mytholmroyd has held the World Dock Pudding Championships every May since 1971.

https://britishfoodhistory.com/2023/05/26/dock-pudding/

Thanks for that. I might have to try making that (using greens other than dock).

I’d recommend spanakopita as a better taste if you want to “eat your greens”…

I use the recipe from The Chef’s Line on SBS some years ago.

Link

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:29:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2231847
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

>Dock pudding was especially popular in the Victorian era, but was considered a famine food in the 20th century. Very few people eat it now, but there is an outlier because the West Yorkshire town of Mytholmroyd has held the World Dock Pudding Championships every May since 1971.

https://britishfoodhistory.com/2023/05/26/dock-pudding/

Thanks for that. I might have to try making that (using greens other than dock).

I’d recommend spanakopita as a better taste if you want to “eat your greens”…

I use the recipe from The Chef’s Line on SBS some years ago.

Link

Ta. I’ll try that, too.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:34:36
From: kii
ID: 2231848
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


buffy said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for that. I might have to try making that (using greens other than dock).

I’d recommend spanakopita as a better taste if you want to “eat your greens”…

I use the recipe from The Chef’s Line on SBS some years ago.

Link

Ta. I’ll try that, too.

I had a recipe that included kelp, nice and earthy taste.
Also Spinach Provencal from the Vegetarian Epicure is nice.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:40:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2231851
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Michael V said:

buffy said:

I’d recommend spanakopita as a better taste if you want to “eat your greens”…

I use the recipe from The Chef’s Line on SBS some years ago.

Link

Ta. I’ll try that, too.

I had a recipe that included kelp, nice and earthy taste.
Also Spinach Provencal from the Vegetarian Epicure is nice.

So much to try; so much to learn.

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:55:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2231855
Subject: re: today I learned

datura

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Date: 1/01/2025 19:56:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2231856
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


datura

Jimson weed. What about it?

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:16:00
From: ruby
ID: 2231869
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


kii said:

Michael V said:

Ta. I’ll try that, too.

I had a recipe that included kelp, nice and earthy taste.
Also Spinach Provencal from the Vegetarian Epicure is nice.

So much to try; so much to learn.

I get kelp on my beach, as well as other seaweeds. I have nibbled a lot of them to see what they taste like. Some are deliciously salty, kelp is fairly chewy.
When kelp has nice fresh looking growth I bring it home, wash it well and dry it, then blitz it in my coffee grinder. I add it to my soups and stews. It gets added to my weekly family ragu, and the taste sensitive grandkids eat it with gusto.
I also get stinging nettle coming up from the donkey poo I have been adding to the garden. This too gets dried and added to soups and stews and the ragu.

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:23:09
From: Michael V
ID: 2231872
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


datura

Ouch!

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Date: 1/01/2025 20:26:25
From: Michael V
ID: 2231876
Subject: re: today I learned

ruby said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

I had a recipe that included kelp, nice and earthy taste.
Also Spinach Provencal from the Vegetarian Epicure is nice.

So much to try; so much to learn.

I get kelp on my beach, as well as other seaweeds. I have nibbled a lot of them to see what they taste like. Some are deliciously salty, kelp is fairly chewy.
When kelp has nice fresh looking growth I bring it home, wash it well and dry it, then blitz it in my coffee grinder. I add it to my soups and stews. It gets added to my weekly family ragu, and the taste sensitive grandkids eat it with gusto.
I also get stinging nettle coming up from the donkey poo I have been adding to the garden. This too gets dried and added to soups and stews and the ragu.

:)

Nice.

:)

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Date: 2/01/2025 00:11:38
From: dv
ID: 2231941
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 2/01/2025 00:17:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2231942
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Aye, it’s not just pirate gibberish.

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Date: 2/01/2025 00:18:36
From: Kingy
ID: 2231943
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



One of the sailors drank too much, and ate 18 honeyed chicken wings.

As it turns out, the outlet of the dunny is just to the front right off the ship.

Now there are klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow.

And we can’t find reverse.

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Date: 2/01/2025 00:20:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2231945
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Clear and logical once you master the terminology.

.. a bit like cricket fielding positions.

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Date: 2/01/2025 00:42:11
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2231952
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:


Aye, it’s not just pirate gibberish.

I’ve been working my way through the re-mastered Hornblower series, which was originally broadcast in the late 1990s.

I vaguely remember seeing it when it was shown here (probably on ABC TV), but it’s definitely worth another look.

See https://www.youtube.com/@jamesbones6124

https://www.youtube.com/@jamesbones6124

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Date: 2/01/2025 01:25:44
From: dv
ID: 2231960
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

Tasmania’s land border

Perhaps I knew this and forgot.

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Date: 2/01/2025 01:33:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2231961
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

Tasmania’s land border

Perhaps I knew this and forgot.

we discussed this a year or two ago.

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Date: 2/01/2025 02:11:04
From: dv
ID: 2231966
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Islet

Tasmania’s land border

Perhaps I knew this and forgot.

we discussed this a year or two ago.

Okay let’s make an appointment to talk about it again in 2027.

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Date: 2/01/2025 07:10:15
From: Michael V
ID: 2231974
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


dv said:


Clear and logical once you master the terminology.

.. a bit like cricket fielding positions.

:)

I think I prefer compass points…

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:03:30
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232140
Subject: re: today I learned

the further a hydrogen fueled vehicle drives the heavier it gets.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:06:51
From: dv
ID: 2232141
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


the further a hydrogen fueled vehicle drives the heavier it gets.

Explain

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:08:02
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232142
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

the further a hydrogen fueled vehicle drives the heavier it gets.

Explain

my jokes lose something when I have to explain them.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:09:03
From: dv
ID: 2232143
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

the further a hydrogen fueled vehicle drives the heavier it gets.

Explain

my jokes lose something when I have to explain them.

This ain’t the laughs thread.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:16:02
From: dv
ID: 2232145
Subject: re: today I learned

Because hydrogen vehicles vent the water vapour as exhaust.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:16:51
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2232146
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Explain

my jokes lose something when I have to explain them.

This ain’t the laughs thread.

is this some kind of phlogiston joke or something

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:18:52
From: party_pants
ID: 2232148
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:


dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

my jokes lose something when I have to explain them.

This ain’t the laughs thread.

is this some kind of phlogiston joke or something

The joke only works if the hydrogen car uses a fuel tank of unpressurised hydrogen gas. but I don’t think there are any of those going about.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:22:51
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232151
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

This ain’t the laughs thread.

is this some kind of phlogiston joke or something

The joke only works if the hydrogen car uses a fuel tank of unpressurised hydrogen gas. but I don’t think there are any of those going about.

it wasn’t meant to have a serious discussion.

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:31:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2232154
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

is this some kind of phlogiston joke or something

The joke only works if the hydrogen car uses a fuel tank of unpressurised hydrogen gas. but I don’t think there are any of those going about.

it wasn’t meant to have a serious discussion.

so yes phlogiston then

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Date: 2/01/2025 15:44:17
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2232156
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

is this some kind of phlogiston joke or something

The joke only works if the hydrogen car uses a fuel tank of unpressurised hydrogen gas. but I don’t think there are any of those going about.

it wasn’t meant to have a serious discussion.

It’s not the forum way.

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Date: 3/01/2025 17:58:24
From: dv
ID: 2232709
Subject: re: today I learned

In colloquial speech, the term “pungency” can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor. However, in scientific speech, it refers specifically to the “hot” or “spicy” quality of chili peppers. It is the preferred term by scientists as it eliminates the ambiguity arising from use of “hot”, which can also refer to temperature, and “spicy”, which can also refer to spices.

For instance, a pumpkin pie can be both hot (out of the oven) and spicy (due to the common inclusion of spices such as cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, mace, and cloves), but it is not pungent. Conversely, pure capsaicin is pungent, yet it is not naturally accompanied by a hot temperature or spices.

As the Oxford, Collins, and Merriam-Webster dictionaries explain, “piquancy” can refer to mild pungency, that is, flavors and spices that are much less strong than chilli peppers, including, for example, the strong flavor of some tomatoes. In other words, pungency always refers to a very strong taste whereas piquancy refers to any spices and foods that are “agreeably stimulating to the palate”, in other words to food that is spicy in the general sense of “well-spiced”.

Mildly pungent or sour foods may be referred to as tangy.

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Date: 3/01/2025 18:10:29
From: Ian
ID: 2232712
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


In colloquial speech, the term “pungency” can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor. However, in scientific speech, it refers specifically to the “hot” or “spicy” quality of chili peppers. It is the preferred term by scientists as it eliminates the ambiguity arising from use of “hot”, which can also refer to temperature, and “spicy”, which can also refer to spices.

For instance, a pumpkin pie can be both hot (out of the oven) and spicy (due to the common inclusion of spices such as cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, mace, and cloves), but it is not pungent. Conversely, pure capsaicin is pungent, yet it is not naturally accompanied by a hot temperature or spices.

As the Oxford, Collins, and Merriam-Webster dictionaries explain, “piquancy” can refer to mild pungency, that is, flavors and spices that are much less strong than chilli peppers, including, for example, the strong flavor of some tomatoes. In other words, pungency always refers to a very strong taste whereas piquancy refers to any spices and foods that are “agreeably stimulating to the palate”, in other words to food that is spicy in the general sense of “well-spiced”.

Mildly pungent or sour foods may be referred to as tangy.

The same deal with “cold”?

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Date: 3/01/2025 18:17:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2232713
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:

dv said:

In colloquial speech, the term “pungency” can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor. However, in scientific speech, it refers specifically to the “hot” or “spicy” quality of chili peppers. It is the preferred term by scientists as it eliminates the ambiguity arising from use of “hot”, which can also refer to temperature, and “spicy”, which can also refer to spices.

For instance, a pumpkin pie can be both hot (out of the oven) and spicy (due to the common inclusion of spices such as cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, mace, and cloves), but it is not pungent. Conversely, pure capsaicin is pungent, yet it is not naturally accompanied by a hot temperature or spices.

As the Oxford, Collins, and Merriam-Webster dictionaries explain, “piquancy” can refer to mild pungency, that is, flavors and spices that are much less strong than chilli peppers, including, for example, the strong flavor of some tomatoes. In other words, pungency always refers to a very strong taste whereas piquancy refers to any spices and foods that are “agreeably stimulating to the palate”, in other words to food that is spicy in the general sense of “well-spiced”.

Mildly pungent or sour foods may be referred to as tangy.

The same deal with “cold”?

exactly, not buying that justification since as they literally say adjacently, pungency can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor so they have done nothing to eliminate the ambiguity arising from use of “pungency”, which can also refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor

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Date: 3/01/2025 18:22:41
From: Cymek
ID: 2232714
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

dv said:

In colloquial speech, the term “pungency” can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor. However, in scientific speech, it refers specifically to the “hot” or “spicy” quality of chili peppers. It is the preferred term by scientists as it eliminates the ambiguity arising from use of “hot”, which can also refer to temperature, and “spicy”, which can also refer to spices.

For instance, a pumpkin pie can be both hot (out of the oven) and spicy (due to the common inclusion of spices such as cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, mace, and cloves), but it is not pungent. Conversely, pure capsaicin is pungent, yet it is not naturally accompanied by a hot temperature or spices.

As the Oxford, Collins, and Merriam-Webster dictionaries explain, “piquancy” can refer to mild pungency, that is, flavors and spices that are much less strong than chilli peppers, including, for example, the strong flavor of some tomatoes. In other words, pungency always refers to a very strong taste whereas piquancy refers to any spices and foods that are “agreeably stimulating to the palate”, in other words to food that is spicy in the general sense of “well-spiced”.

Mildly pungent or sour foods may be referred to as tangy.

The same deal with “cold”?

exactly, not buying that justification since as they literally say adjacently, pungency can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor so they have done nothing to eliminate the ambiguity arising from use of “pungency”, which can also refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor

People can smell pungent

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Date: 3/01/2025 18:46:13
From: Kingy
ID: 2232715
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


SCIENCE said:

Ian said:

The same deal with “cold”?

exactly, not buying that justification since as they literally say adjacently, pungency can refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor so they have done nothing to eliminate the ambiguity arising from use of “pungency”, which can also refer to any strong, sharp smell or flavor

People can smell pungent

Some of his jokes stank, but he was ok. I couldn’t smell him from here.

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Date: 3/01/2025 20:37:37
From: dv
ID: 2232771
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

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Date: 3/01/2025 20:43:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232772
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

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Date: 3/01/2025 20:48:49
From: dv
ID: 2232779
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

Would be a good movie.

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Date: 3/01/2025 20:50:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232780
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

Would be a good movie.

That it would!

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Date: 3/01/2025 20:58:28
From: Kingy
ID: 2232783
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:06:59
From: dv
ID: 2232785
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

50 km in 2 days is a fair march for a kid.

Considering the number of adults who seem to get lost trying to walk a few km in Tasmania…

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:12:24
From: dv
ID: 2232788
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

A bit of nous also didn’t hurt. They made bellows out of scraps so they could forge new tools from the ship’s nails so they could build the return vessel.

There was a third major wreck the following year (1866) of the General Grant, with 15 survivors and 68 drowned.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:13:26
From: Kingy
ID: 2232789
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

50 km in 2 days is a fair march for a kid.

Considering the number of adults who seem to get lost trying to walk a few km in Tasmania…

I don’t remember the exact distance, but these were 17 year olds. She may have exaggerated, I’m only going on what she told me.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:13:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2232790
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

50 km in 2 days is a fair march for a kid.

Considering the number of adults who seem to get lost trying to walk a few km in Tasmania…

25k a day is good going even if you know where you are going.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:14:25
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2232791
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

Do you know what high school she attended?

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:17:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232792
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

TIL about the Grafton castaways, five men shipwrecked on Auckland Island in 1863 for eighteen months. Quite a remarkable tale of resourcefulness. They built a wooden hut with a stone chimney, and eventually turned the ship’s dinghy into a vessel suitable for long distance travel. It was still not stable with five aboard so three rowed 480 km to Stewart Island. They were then taken to Invercargill where they engaged in public fundraising in order to effect a rescue mission of the remaining two.

Astoundingly, there was another wreck on Auckland Island at the same time, the Invercauld. She had a crew of 25, of whom 6 did not survive the wreck. Almost all of the remaining 19 died of disease, injury, starvation or cold in the coming months. Three survivors were ultimately rescued by a Portguese vessel the following year.

The two groups did not know about each other.

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

D of E scheme?

If nothing else, learning to be a military/naval officer teaches you that your primary role is to ‘take charge’.

So very much can depend on degree of leadership and discipline. In a crisis, having someone who can give a sense of direction, make decisions.

Which is not to say that there’s no room for consultation, or group input. But, there’s times when it’ll come down to having someone make a choice between options, and that someone will be you.

As well, leadership and discipline casn provide a structure onto which people can cling, rather than fragment into division and hostility.

For group leadership, you cannot go past William Bligh’s voyage to the Dutch East Indies after the ‘Bounty’ mutiny.

For individual direction, look up the remarkable Poon Lim.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:20:16
From: dv
ID: 2232793
Subject: re: today I learned

The five Grafton castaways drank a fermented beverage made from the rhizomes of Macquarie Island cabbage, Azorella polaris, which like our old mate Wirragal Greens has antiscorbic properties.

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Date: 3/01/2025 21:21:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232794
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The five Grafton castaways drank a fermented beverage made from the rhizomes of Macquarie Island cabbage, Azorella polaris, which like our old mate Wirragal Greens has antiscorbic properties.

Is that the same thing that made their teeth snowy white?

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:06:18
From: dv
ID: 2232807
Subject: re: today I learned

Captain Thomas Musgrave’s account of the Grafton events are available on wikisource

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Castaway_on_the_Auckland_Isles/Chapter_1

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:16:30
From: Neophyte
ID: 2232810
Subject: re: today I learned

Also a good interview by the ABC’s Richard Fiedler with a woman who wrote about it and other similar scenarios…

“Eleanor Learmonth: how groups survive or perish in disasters.

Eleanor herself is no stranger to disaster; a civil war started just after she arrived in Korea and a typhoon rolled over the top of her in the Phillippines.

Being trapped with a panicked group inside a Tokyo skyscraper during an earthquake started her thinking about how groups of people behave under extreme circumstances.

Eleanor and co-author Jenny Tabakoff examined 23 cases of isolated, stranded groups from shipwrecks, failed experiments, cults, and collapsed mines.

What they found raises interesting questions about primal instincts, group dynamics and the drive for self-preservation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/conversations/eleanor-learmonth-how-groups-survive-or-perish-in-disasters/7755312

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:20:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2232812
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Captain Thomas Musgrave’s account of the Grafton events are available on wikisource

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Castaway_on_the_Auckland_Isles/Chapter_1

Thanks for that.

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:21:39
From: dv
ID: 2232813
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Also a good interview by the ABC’s Richard Fiedler with a woman who wrote about it and other similar scenarios…

“Eleanor Learmonth: how groups survive or perish in disasters.

Eleanor herself is no stranger to disaster; a civil war started just after she arrived in Korea and a typhoon rolled over the top of her in the Phillippines.

Being trapped with a panicked group inside a Tokyo skyscraper during an earthquake started her thinking about how groups of people behave under extreme circumstances.

Eleanor and co-author Jenny Tabakoff examined 23 cases of isolated, stranded groups from shipwrecks, failed experiments, cults, and collapsed mines.

What they found raises interesting questions about primal instincts, group dynamics and the drive for self-preservation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/conversations/eleanor-learmonth-how-groups-survive-or-perish-in-disasters/7755312

I’ll make a note

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:33:53
From: dv
ID: 2232815
Subject: re: today I learned

We saw great numbers of seals as we went up; at every tack we made they came off from the shore to look at us, and played round the ship like porpoises. 6 a.m.: Put the boat out, and sent her away to look for an anchorage, but found none. 8 a.m.: It came on to blow a strong breeze from N.W., which increased to a gale. Kept on heading up the harbour, to which we saw no end. At noon strong gale from N.W., with heavy rain; brought up on the N.E. side of the harbour, in 6 fathoms of water, close in shore, about 10 or 12 miles from the sea. We have had a very difficult job in heading up here, and are not yet in a good anchorage, but intend looking for one as soon as the weather moderates. We have got both anchors down, with 30 fathoms chain on each: this is all the good chain we have got. I consider her in a rather dangerous position, as there is hardly room for her to swing clear of the rocks should the wind come from the S.W. There is a swell on, and she strains very much at her anchors. The rain and gale continued till midnight, at which time this day ends, containing 36 hours. Wind, N.W. Barom., noon, 29⋅25; midnight, 29⋅3.

Saturday, January 2, 1864.—Very heavy gale throughout this day; first and middle parts almost constant rain, and during the latter heavy squalls. There is a considerable swell running, and the ship has been jerking and straining at her chains all day, and I expected them to part every moment. At 7 p.m., in a heavy squall, the starboard chain did part, about two fathoms outside the pipe, leaving about 38 fathoms on the anchor; and the other, or best bower, dragged a considerable distance, and then brought her up again, her stern in a quarter less two fathoms, about half a cable’s length from the shore. She is lying almost parallel with the shore, and should the wind come from the S.W. she must most inevitably go into the rocks, and I have now made up my mind for the worst. I see no hope of her keeping clear. Barom., 28⋅90, and falling at 10 p.m. The wind is so that, should I slip the cable with a spring, she would not clear the point, or I would slip and run out to sea. At every heave of the swell she is dragging the anchor home, and getting nearer the shore. From 10 p.m. till midnight the gale blew with the most terrific violence, and precisely at midnight the ship struck, but we hung on to the cable, in hopes that the wind would moderate as the tide rose, as it was then low water. Wind, from N.W. to W.N.W., and sometimes W.

Sunday, January 3, 1864.—After midnight the gale increased and blew with the most unimaginable violence, and we found that she was an unavoidable wreck; she lay broadside on to the beach, and the sea made a clean breach over her. At every surge we expected the masts to go over the side. We had veered out all the cable. We saw pieces of her keel coming up under her lee, and she made much water, but we kept at the pumps till we found she was filling fast, and the water was rushing into her like a boiling spring; this was at a quarter past 2 o’clock in the morning. We abandoned the pumps, and commenced getting the provisions on deck, which did not occupy much time, as our stock was very small. In a quarter of an hour she was full up to the top of the cabin table, and the sea was breaking heavily over her. The sea was so heavy on the beach that I considered it dangerous to attempt landing till daylight. We remained on deck, and at daylight commenced landing our provisions and clothes; we had much difficulty in landing; as it is a stone beach, the boat was in danger of breaking up. However, by 10 a.m. we had succeeded in landing the things most important without doing much damage to the boat. We brought the mainsail and gaff on shore and made a tent of it. We are obliged to lie on the ground, which is very wet. Raynal has walked about 100 yards to-day, from the beach to the tent. Wind, N.W. to W.N.W.

Sunday, January 10, 1864.—It is now a week since we landed here, and my time has been so much occupied in hard work as to leave me no time to make even daily notes; but Mr. Raynal, who is improving fast, keeps the diary. Indeed, he is so much better that he talks of going to work to-morrow. We have had a very stormy week; it has been blowing a perfect hurricane from N. to S. all the time, until yesterday, which was a mild, cloudy day, without rain (the first since we came here); the breeze light, from south.

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:49:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2232823
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Also a good interview by the ABC’s Richard Fiedler with a woman who wrote about it and other similar scenarios…

“Eleanor Learmonth: how groups survive or perish in disasters.

Eleanor herself is no stranger to disaster; a civil war started just after she arrived in Korea and a typhoon rolled over the top of her in the Phillippines.

Being trapped with a panicked group inside a Tokyo skyscraper during an earthquake started her thinking about how groups of people behave under extreme circumstances.

Eleanor and co-author Jenny Tabakoff examined 23 cases of isolated, stranded groups from shipwrecks, failed experiments, cults, and collapsed mines.

What they found raises interesting questions about primal instincts, group dynamics and the drive for self-preservation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/conversations/eleanor-learmonth-how-groups-survive-or-perish-in-disasters/7755312

I don’t know that i’d care to share an elevator ride with Eleanor.

She seems to be a bit of a Jonah.

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Date: 3/01/2025 22:49:40
From: Kingy
ID: 2232824
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Also a good interview by the ABC’s Richard Fiedler with a woman who wrote about it and other similar scenarios…

“Eleanor Learmonth: how groups survive or perish in disasters.

Eleanor herself is no stranger to disaster; a civil war started just after she arrived in Korea and a typhoon rolled over the top of her in the Phillippines.

Being trapped with a panicked group inside a Tokyo skyscraper during an earthquake started her thinking about how groups of people behave under extreme circumstances.

Eleanor and co-author Jenny Tabakoff examined 23 cases of isolated, stranded groups from shipwrecks, failed experiments, cults, and collapsed mines.

What they found raises interesting questions about primal instincts, group dynamics and the drive for self-preservation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/conversations/eleanor-learmonth-how-groups-survive-or-perish-in-disasters/7755312

Ooh, nice. I’ll download that for when I’m driving the truck. Ta. :)

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Date: 3/01/2025 23:51:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2232834
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Yes, i read a book about that several years ago.

It seemed to empahsise the difference that a co-operative attitude, positive outlook, and common aims could make.

When my stepdaughter was in high school, she went on a camp where they dropped the kids off in the bush by themselves with a compass, map and a couple of basic items and then said we’ll pick you up 50km away in 2 days. Good luck.

They thought they were on their own, but unknown to them, many experienced bushwalkers were tracking them to make sure they didn’t get into trouble. Any stragglers were collected but most of the kids made their own way to the pickup point.

During the debrief back at school, they were told about how during WW2 many sailors & airmen ended up in lifeboats on the ocean, and just gave up & died for no reason because they had never faced difficulties in life before and always expected someone else to come and “fix it”. An institute was formed to give young people a challenge where they had to overcome some “insurmountable” problem which fortified them for any difficulties they encountered in adulthood.

Captain_Spalding may know more about this than myself who only got second hand information.

D of E scheme?

If nothing else, learning to be a military/naval officer teaches you that your primary role is to ‘take charge’.

So very much can depend on degree of leadership and discipline. In a crisis, having someone who can give a sense of direction, make decisions.

Which is not to say that there’s no room for consultation, or group input. But, there’s times when it’ll come down to having someone make a choice between options, and that someone will be you.

As well, leadership and discipline casn provide a structure onto which people can cling, rather than fragment into division and hostility.

For group leadership, you cannot go past William Bligh’s voyage to the Dutch East Indies after the ‘Bounty’ mutiny.

For individual direction, look up the remarkable Poon Lim.

Poon Lim. Thanks for that. Interesting ordeal.

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Date: 3/01/2025 23:57:30
From: dv
ID: 2232838
Subject: re: today I learned

Just went you thought that you had learned as much as you ever wanted to know about people trying to survive on Auckland Island, I can give you one more factoid, which is that Auckland Island is the southernmost location of Polynesian habitation, but they left (or perhaps just died) hundreds of years before the rediscovery of the island by Abraham Bristow in 1806.

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Date: 4/01/2025 00:03:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2232844
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Also a good interview by the ABC’s Richard Fiedler with a woman who wrote about it and other similar scenarios…

“Eleanor Learmonth: how groups survive or perish in disasters.

Eleanor herself is no stranger to disaster; a civil war started just after she arrived in Korea and a typhoon rolled over the top of her in the Phillippines.

Being trapped with a panicked group inside a Tokyo skyscraper during an earthquake started her thinking about how groups of people behave under extreme circumstances.

Eleanor and co-author Jenny Tabakoff examined 23 cases of isolated, stranded groups from shipwrecks, failed experiments, cults, and collapsed mines.

What they found raises interesting questions about primal instincts, group dynamics and the drive for self-preservation.”

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/conversations/eleanor-learmonth-how-groups-survive-or-perish-in-disasters/7755312

Sounds like it might be worth a listen or read.

Thanks.

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Date: 4/01/2025 00:06:32
From: dv
ID: 2232847
Subject: re: today I learned

Actor Pat Morita, perhaps most famous for playing Mr Miyagi in the Karate Kid movies) contracted tuberculosis of the spine while still a toddler and spent almost all of the following nine years at various medical institutions, often completely bound up, and given the impression that he would never be able to walk. At the age of 11 he had a set of spinal surgeries and was taught to walk for the first time. When he was well enough to leave hospital he was taken immediately into the Gila River internment camp. He reminded in internment with his family until the age of 13, when the war ended.

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Date: 4/01/2025 00:27:38
From: KJW
ID: 2232858
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Actor Pat Morita, perhaps most famous for playing Mr Miyagi in the Karate Kid movies)

I’m older, so I know him as “Arnold” from Happy Days.

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Date: 4/01/2025 13:58:31
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2232965
Subject: re: today I learned

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1990JBAA..100..173O/0000173.000.html

Link

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:04:30
From: dv
ID: 2232967
Subject: re: today I learned

The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:07:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2232968
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

sad.

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:16:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2232976
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

That’s a good trivia question.

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:42:39
From: Neophyte
ID: 2232987
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

Who derived their name from one of the moggies in TS Eliot’s “Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats”

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:50:58
From: dv
ID: 2232994
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

Who derived their name from one of the moggies in TS Eliot’s “Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats”

Well I guess they are not the worst thing derived from TS Eliot’s “Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats”.

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Date: 4/01/2025 14:51:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2232996
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

Who derived their name from one of the moggies in TS Eliot’s “Old Possum’s Book of Practical Cats”

It was a bright and jumpy beat.

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Date: 4/01/2025 15:24:53
From: dv
ID: 2233016
Subject: re: today I learned

Isildur, played by Harry Sinclair, has only one line in the Lord of the Rings movies:

“No”

But Harry Sinclair’s voice is not used. The line was actually uttered by Hugo Weaving, who plays Elrond.

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Date: 4/01/2025 15:34:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2233020
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Isildur, played by Harry Sinclair, has only one line in the Lord of the Rings movies:

“No”

But Harry Sinclair’s voice is not used. The line was actually uttered by Hugo Weaving, who plays Elrond.

Since then, Harry Sinclair’s theme song has been: “I’m just a guy who can’t say no.”

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Date: 4/01/2025 15:37:01
From: dv
ID: 2233022
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Isildur, played by Harry Sinclair, has only one line in the Lord of the Rings movies:

“No”

But Harry Sinclair’s voice is not used. The line was actually uttered by Hugo Weaving, who plays Elrond.

Since then, Harry Sinclair’s theme song has been: “I’m just a guy who can’t say no.”

Celeste Holm (no relation)

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Date: 4/01/2025 15:40:04
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233024
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

The biggest-selling single by a British band is In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry, which sold 30 million copies.

sad.

TATE tells me they are still going:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungo_Jerry

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Date: 4/01/2025 16:26:21
From: dv
ID: 2233038
Subject: re: today I learned

Switzerland has no official capital.

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Date: 4/01/2025 17:19:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2233056
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Switzerland has no official capital.

in English it has S not sure we agree

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Date: 4/01/2025 19:09:37
From: Kingy
ID: 2233098
Subject: re: today I learned

Ms Kingy is setting up a Thunderbird email account, and it appears to have sent a test message originating from Microsoft Outlook.

Is Mozilla Thunderbird a version of outlook?

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Date: 4/01/2025 19:32:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2233100
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Ms Kingy is setting up a Thunderbird email account, and it appears to have sent a test message originating from Microsoft Outlook.

Is Mozilla Thunderbird a version of outlook?

No.

You can import all your mail from outlook if you want.

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Date: 4/01/2025 19:36:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2233101
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Kingy said:

Ms Kingy is setting up a Thunderbird email account, and it appears to have sent a test message originating from Microsoft Outlook.

Is Mozilla Thunderbird a version of outlook?

No.

You can import all your mail from outlook if you want.

outloook is your email address?

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Date: 4/01/2025 19:50:43
From: furious
ID: 2233103
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


Ms Kingy is setting up a Thunderbird email account, and it appears to have sent a test message originating from Microsoft Outlook.

Is Mozilla Thunderbird a version of outlook?

Thunderbird is an email application, not email provider…

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Date: 4/01/2025 20:53:08
From: dv
ID: 2233114
Subject: re: today I learned

In the first years after the founding of the USA, the capital bounced around a bit from NY to Pennsylvania, etc. A new capital was built, and in 1791, was named Washington.
I did know this before but what I didn’t realise or had not thought about was that George Washington was still alive at this time. This seems like an extreme honour for a living person. It would be like naming our capital Bartonia, you’d never be able to tell Ed anything after that.

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Date: 4/01/2025 22:22:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233124
Subject: re: today I learned

that the cube root of 31 is a pretty good approximation to pi.

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Date: 4/01/2025 22:41:47
From: dv
ID: 2233130
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


that the cube root of 31 is a pretty good approximation to pi.

Yeah but the pith root of 157 is a good approximation of 5.

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Date: 4/01/2025 22:46:10
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233133
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

that the cube root of 31 is a pretty good approximation to pi.

Yeah but the pith root of 157 is a good approximation of 5.

Didn’t know that either.

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Date: 5/01/2025 00:32:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2233161
Subject: re: today I learned

Australia produces only .2% of the world’s peanuts.

Famous Oz peanut packer Nobby’s uses imported peanuts.

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Date: 5/01/2025 06:33:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2233172
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Australia produces only .2% of the world’s peanuts.

Famous Oz peanut packer Nobby’s uses imported peanuts.

.02% of Austtralians actually nibble Nobbys Nuts?

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Date: 5/01/2025 15:43:06
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2233422
Subject: re: today I learned

Computer scientist Grace Hopper¹ entering the machine code for her
computer program that calculates tables of Bessel functions² on a
manual tape punch that creates 24-hole paper tapes for the
Harvard Mark I³ electromechnical computer, at the engineering
laboratory of IBM in Endicott, New York, August 4, 1944.

The computer worked around the clock on military projects, calculating
massive mathematical tables. Principally it helped the Navy by computing
tables for the design of equipment such as torpedos and underwater
detection systems. Other branches of the military sought its help in
calculating the design of surveillance camera lenses, radar, and implosion
devices for the atomic bomb in the Manhattan Project. The mathematical
tables that Mark I churned out were the first of their kind fulfilling
Charles Babbage’s dream⁴ of printing directly from a machine’s output,
eliminating all human error. One of the computer’s longest running projects
required it to solve Bessel’s differential equation by generating numerous
printed tables of Bessel functions of different orders and as a result, the
computer was given the nickname “Bessie.”

It was Hopper’s extensive experience in the trenches coding in low-level
machine language that inspired her to design a series of easier higher
level languages culminating in FLOW-MATIC⁵ a language that helped
shape the development of COBOL⁶, an easy to use widespread english-like
business oriented computer programming language.

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Date: 5/01/2025 21:00:06
From: dv
ID: 2233520
Subject: re: today I learned

I somehow never made the connection between actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus (Seinfeld, Veep, Black Widow etc) and the Louis Dreyfus Company, the French organisation that is one of the biggest agricultural trading companies in the world . Her father was Gérard Louis-Dreyfus, chairman of the company, worth about 4 billion dollars when he died a few years ago.

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Date: 5/01/2025 21:02:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233521
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


I somehow never made the connection between actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus (Seinfeld, Veep, Black Widow etc) and the Louis Dreyfus Company, the French organisation that is one of the biggest agricultural trading companies in the world . Her father was Gérard Louis-Dreyfus, chairman of the company, worth about 4 billion dollars when he died a few years ago.

As i understand it, she does not need to worry about where her next meal is coming from.

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Date: 6/01/2025 01:31:29
From: dv
ID: 2233560
Subject: re: today I learned

The TV series Happy Days was based on a 1972 segment of the anthology show, Love American Style.

https://youtu.be/Zf9wWVA7QKY?si=_KAG3MBUZoPXxNSD

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:45:33
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2233607
Subject: re: today I learned

Olusegun Oladokun ·
Listen up, Men! Here are 10 nonnegotiable values missing in modern women today.

The decline of traditional values in modern women isn’t just a coincidence—it’s the direct result of weak men lowering standards and a society that glorifies mediocrity and rebellion against timeless principles. As men, we are responsible for demanding better and leading by example. If we want strong families, unshakable legacies, and thriving relationships, we must hold women—and ourselves—accountable to the values that build empires.

Here are 10 Traditional Values Missing in Modern Women Today and why they’re essential for building a legacy of strength, honor, and unity:

1. Humility: The Power in Being Teachable and Respectful

Modern culture glorifies arrogance, pride, and rebellion, calling it “empowerment.” But humility—the ability to listen, learn, and respect—is what builds bridges and creates harmony in relationships. A humble woman doesn’t see herself as above correction or guidance; she values her partner’s leadership and respects the partnership. A man thrives with a woman who supports, not competes with, him. Without humility, relationships become battlefields instead of sanctuaries.

2. Nurturing Nature: Putting Family First

A woman’s natural gift is her ability to nurture, yet today, many prioritize careers, social media clout, or superficial independence over their families. A nurturing woman knows that raising emotionally and spiritually healthy children is her greatest contribution to the world. She balances her ambitions with her responsibilities at home, ensuring her family’s emotional and spiritual needs are met. Without nurturing women, the next generation is lost.

3. Respect for Men: Recognizing Complementary Roles

Let’s set this straight: respect is not submission. Respect is the foundation of any healthy relationship. A woman who respects her man understands the complementary roles that men and women play in a household. She doesn’t seek to compete or emasculate; she values his leadership, protection, and vision. Modern feminism has brainwashed too many women into believing that respect is weakness. A real woman knows that respecting her man strengthens the relationship.

4. Modesty: Dignity in Dress and Behavior

The over-sexualization of women in modern society is a disgrace. Social media encourages women to flaunt their bodies for attention, but modesty is a sign of dignity and self-respect. A modest woman doesn’t need external validation; she carries herself with grace, guarding her virtue and self-worth. Modesty doesn’t make a woman outdated—it makes her stand out in a sea of desperation and vanity.

5. Self-Discipline: The Backbone of Stability

Discipline isn’t just for men—it’s a value every strong person should possess. A woman who can control her emotions, spending habits, and actions brings stability to a relationship. Emotional outbursts, reckless spending, and impulsive decisions are signs of immaturity. A disciplined woman, on the other hand, is a partner you can trust to navigate life’s challenges with you, not create more chaos.

6. Faith and Morality: The Family’s Spiritual Backbone

In the past, women were the moral and spiritual backbone of the family. They prayed, instilled values in their children, and upheld a standard of righteousness in the home. Today, many have abandoned faith and morality in favor of “living their truth.” A woman without strong values can’t lead a family in the right direction. A real man needs a woman who upholds principles and helps create a legacy rooted in faith and integrity.

7. Loyalty: Staying Through Thick and Thin

Loyalty is priceless. A loyal woman stands by her man during tough times, believing in his potential and supporting his vision. But modern culture glorifies betrayal, promoting toxic behaviors like “upgrading” partners when times get tough. Men, understand this: a loyal woman is worth more than gold. If you’re lucky enough to find one, protect and honor her because disloyalty is a plague that destroys relationships and families.

8. Family-Centric Mindset: Valuing Family Above All Else

The modern narrative tells women to chase careers and personal ambitions above family. While ambition is admirable, a family-centric woman knows that her greatest legacy is the home she builds. She prioritizes her husband, her children, and the unity of the household. Family isn’t a burden—it’s the foundation of society. A woman who doesn’t value this has no place in the life of a man who wants to build a legacy.

9. Grace in Conflict: The Maturity to Handle Disagreements

Disagreements will happen, but how they’re handled defines the strength of a relationship. A mature woman knows how to navigate conflict without resorting to disrespect, manipulation, or chaos. Grace in conflict means listening, compromising, and resolving issues with poise. Without this, every disagreement turns into a war that chips away at the foundation of the relationship.

10. Hospitality: Creating a Warm Home Environment

The home is a man’s refuge, and a hospitable woman knows how to make it a sanctuary. This doesn’t mean servitude—it means creating a warm, welcoming environment where her family and guests feel loved and cared for. Hospitality is a lost art, but it’s a powerful way to build a family that thrives together.

The Modern Dilemma

Men, let’s face the harsh truth: the decline of these values in modern women didn’t happen in isolation. It happened because weak men stopped demanding excellence and started settling for mediocrity. If you want a good woman, you need to be a strong man. A man with a vision, discipline, and integrity naturally attracts women with these values. But if you tolerate nonsense, you’ll get nonsense.

Men: Hold the Line

Demand these values unapologetically. Be clear in your standards and refuse to compromise on the qualities that build strong families. If a woman lacks these values, move on—don’t try to fix her. Focus on building yourself into a man of strength, honor, and discipline. When you lead with excellence, the right woman will rise to meet you.

Women: Reclaim Your Legacy

These values are not outdated—they’re timeless. They are the pillars of strong relationships, families, and communities. If you’ve lost them, it’s not too late to rebuild. A good woman who embodies these values is rare and powerful. Reclaim your legacy, and you’ll attract a man worthy of your strength.

The Code Is Simple:

Men: Demand excellence and lead with strength.

Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.

Together, these principles will create families that thrive, legacies that last, and communities that stand unshaken. Weakness destroys, but strength builds. Be the solution.

Oh dear.

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:47:29
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2233609
Subject: re: today I learned

“Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.”

…and make me a sandwich while you’re at it!

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:47:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2233610
Subject: re: today I learned

That Buffy is 5’ 4”

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:49:40
From: Michael V
ID: 2233611
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Olusegun Oladokun ·
Listen up, Men! Here are 10 nonnegotiable values missing in modern women today.

The decline of traditional values in modern women isn’t just a coincidence—it’s the direct result of weak men lowering standards and a society that glorifies mediocrity and rebellion against timeless principles. As men, we are responsible for demanding better and leading by example. If we want strong families, unshakable legacies, and thriving relationships, we must hold women—and ourselves—accountable to the values that build empires.

Here are 10 Traditional Values Missing in Modern Women Today and why they’re essential for building a legacy of strength, honor, and unity:

1. Humility: The Power in Being Teachable and Respectful

Modern culture glorifies arrogance, pride, and rebellion, calling it “empowerment.” But humility—the ability to listen, learn, and respect—is what builds bridges and creates harmony in relationships. A humble woman doesn’t see herself as above correction or guidance; she values her partner’s leadership and respects the partnership. A man thrives with a woman who supports, not competes with, him. Without humility, relationships become battlefields instead of sanctuaries.

2. Nurturing Nature: Putting Family First

A woman’s natural gift is her ability to nurture, yet today, many prioritize careers, social media clout, or superficial independence over their families. A nurturing woman knows that raising emotionally and spiritually healthy children is her greatest contribution to the world. She balances her ambitions with her responsibilities at home, ensuring her family’s emotional and spiritual needs are met. Without nurturing women, the next generation is lost.

3. Respect for Men: Recognizing Complementary Roles

Let’s set this straight: respect is not submission. Respect is the foundation of any healthy relationship. A woman who respects her man understands the complementary roles that men and women play in a household. She doesn’t seek to compete or emasculate; she values his leadership, protection, and vision. Modern feminism has brainwashed too many women into believing that respect is weakness. A real woman knows that respecting her man strengthens the relationship.

4. Modesty: Dignity in Dress and Behavior

The over-sexualization of women in modern society is a disgrace. Social media encourages women to flaunt their bodies for attention, but modesty is a sign of dignity and self-respect. A modest woman doesn’t need external validation; she carries herself with grace, guarding her virtue and self-worth. Modesty doesn’t make a woman outdated—it makes her stand out in a sea of desperation and vanity.

5. Self-Discipline: The Backbone of Stability

Discipline isn’t just for men—it’s a value every strong person should possess. A woman who can control her emotions, spending habits, and actions brings stability to a relationship. Emotional outbursts, reckless spending, and impulsive decisions are signs of immaturity. A disciplined woman, on the other hand, is a partner you can trust to navigate life’s challenges with you, not create more chaos.

6. Faith and Morality: The Family’s Spiritual Backbone

In the past, women were the moral and spiritual backbone of the family. They prayed, instilled values in their children, and upheld a standard of righteousness in the home. Today, many have abandoned faith and morality in favor of “living their truth.” A woman without strong values can’t lead a family in the right direction. A real man needs a woman who upholds principles and helps create a legacy rooted in faith and integrity.

7. Loyalty: Staying Through Thick and Thin

Loyalty is priceless. A loyal woman stands by her man during tough times, believing in his potential and supporting his vision. But modern culture glorifies betrayal, promoting toxic behaviors like “upgrading” partners when times get tough. Men, understand this: a loyal woman is worth more than gold. If you’re lucky enough to find one, protect and honor her because disloyalty is a plague that destroys relationships and families.

8. Family-Centric Mindset: Valuing Family Above All Else

The modern narrative tells women to chase careers and personal ambitions above family. While ambition is admirable, a family-centric woman knows that her greatest legacy is the home she builds. She prioritizes her husband, her children, and the unity of the household. Family isn’t a burden—it’s the foundation of society. A woman who doesn’t value this has no place in the life of a man who wants to build a legacy.

9. Grace in Conflict: The Maturity to Handle Disagreements

Disagreements will happen, but how they’re handled defines the strength of a relationship. A mature woman knows how to navigate conflict without resorting to disrespect, manipulation, or chaos. Grace in conflict means listening, compromising, and resolving issues with poise. Without this, every disagreement turns into a war that chips away at the foundation of the relationship.

10. Hospitality: Creating a Warm Home Environment

The home is a man’s refuge, and a hospitable woman knows how to make it a sanctuary. This doesn’t mean servitude—it means creating a warm, welcoming environment where her family and guests feel loved and cared for. Hospitality is a lost art, but it’s a powerful way to build a family that thrives together.

The Modern Dilemma

Men, let’s face the harsh truth: the decline of these values in modern women didn’t happen in isolation. It happened because weak men stopped demanding excellence and started settling for mediocrity. If you want a good woman, you need to be a strong man. A man with a vision, discipline, and integrity naturally attracts women with these values. But if you tolerate nonsense, you’ll get nonsense.

Men: Hold the Line

Demand these values unapologetically. Be clear in your standards and refuse to compromise on the qualities that build strong families. If a woman lacks these values, move on—don’t try to fix her. Focus on building yourself into a man of strength, honor, and discipline. When you lead with excellence, the right woman will rise to meet you.

Women: Reclaim Your Legacy

These values are not outdated—they’re timeless. They are the pillars of strong relationships, families, and communities. If you’ve lost them, it’s not too late to rebuild. A good woman who embodies these values is rare and powerful. Reclaim your legacy, and you’ll attract a man worthy of your strength.

The Code Is Simple:

Men: Demand excellence and lead with strength.

Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.

Together, these principles will create families that thrive, legacies that last, and communities that stand unshaken. Weakness destroys, but strength builds. Be the solution.

Oh dear.

Gourd!

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:50:39
From: buffy
ID: 2233612
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


That Buffy is 5’ 4”

Possibly a bit shorter these days…I’m compacting and gravity will have it’s due…

:)

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:52:00
From: buffy
ID: 2233613
Subject: re: today I learned

Bogsnorkler said:


Olusegun Oladokun ·
Listen up, Men! Here are 10 nonnegotiable values missing in modern women today.

The decline of traditional values in modern women isn’t just a coincidence—it’s the direct result of weak men lowering standards and a society that glorifies mediocrity and rebellion against timeless principles. As men, we are responsible for demanding better and leading by example. If we want strong families, unshakable legacies, and thriving relationships, we must hold women—and ourselves—accountable to the values that build empires.

Here are 10 Traditional Values Missing in Modern Women Today and why they’re essential for building a legacy of strength, honor, and unity:

1. Humility: The Power in Being Teachable and Respectful

Modern culture glorifies arrogance, pride, and rebellion, calling it “empowerment.” But humility—the ability to listen, learn, and respect—is what builds bridges and creates harmony in relationships. A humble woman doesn’t see herself as above correction or guidance; she values her partner’s leadership and respects the partnership. A man thrives with a woman who supports, not competes with, him. Without humility, relationships become battlefields instead of sanctuaries.

2. Nurturing Nature: Putting Family First

A woman’s natural gift is her ability to nurture, yet today, many prioritize careers, social media clout, or superficial independence over their families. A nurturing woman knows that raising emotionally and spiritually healthy children is her greatest contribution to the world. She balances her ambitions with her responsibilities at home, ensuring her family’s emotional and spiritual needs are met. Without nurturing women, the next generation is lost.

3. Respect for Men: Recognizing Complementary Roles

Let’s set this straight: respect is not submission. Respect is the foundation of any healthy relationship. A woman who respects her man understands the complementary roles that men and women play in a household. She doesn’t seek to compete or emasculate; she values his leadership, protection, and vision. Modern feminism has brainwashed too many women into believing that respect is weakness. A real woman knows that respecting her man strengthens the relationship.

4. Modesty: Dignity in Dress and Behavior

The over-sexualization of women in modern society is a disgrace. Social media encourages women to flaunt their bodies for attention, but modesty is a sign of dignity and self-respect. A modest woman doesn’t need external validation; she carries herself with grace, guarding her virtue and self-worth. Modesty doesn’t make a woman outdated—it makes her stand out in a sea of desperation and vanity.

5. Self-Discipline: The Backbone of Stability

Discipline isn’t just for men—it’s a value every strong person should possess. A woman who can control her emotions, spending habits, and actions brings stability to a relationship. Emotional outbursts, reckless spending, and impulsive decisions are signs of immaturity. A disciplined woman, on the other hand, is a partner you can trust to navigate life’s challenges with you, not create more chaos.

6. Faith and Morality: The Family’s Spiritual Backbone

In the past, women were the moral and spiritual backbone of the family. They prayed, instilled values in their children, and upheld a standard of righteousness in the home. Today, many have abandoned faith and morality in favor of “living their truth.” A woman without strong values can’t lead a family in the right direction. A real man needs a woman who upholds principles and helps create a legacy rooted in faith and integrity.

7. Loyalty: Staying Through Thick and Thin

Loyalty is priceless. A loyal woman stands by her man during tough times, believing in his potential and supporting his vision. But modern culture glorifies betrayal, promoting toxic behaviors like “upgrading” partners when times get tough. Men, understand this: a loyal woman is worth more than gold. If you’re lucky enough to find one, protect and honor her because disloyalty is a plague that destroys relationships and families.

8. Family-Centric Mindset: Valuing Family Above All Else

The modern narrative tells women to chase careers and personal ambitions above family. While ambition is admirable, a family-centric woman knows that her greatest legacy is the home she builds. She prioritizes her husband, her children, and the unity of the household. Family isn’t a burden—it’s the foundation of society. A woman who doesn’t value this has no place in the life of a man who wants to build a legacy.

9. Grace in Conflict: The Maturity to Handle Disagreements

Disagreements will happen, but how they’re handled defines the strength of a relationship. A mature woman knows how to navigate conflict without resorting to disrespect, manipulation, or chaos. Grace in conflict means listening, compromising, and resolving issues with poise. Without this, every disagreement turns into a war that chips away at the foundation of the relationship.

10. Hospitality: Creating a Warm Home Environment

The home is a man’s refuge, and a hospitable woman knows how to make it a sanctuary. This doesn’t mean servitude—it means creating a warm, welcoming environment where her family and guests feel loved and cared for. Hospitality is a lost art, but it’s a powerful way to build a family that thrives together.

The Modern Dilemma

Men, let’s face the harsh truth: the decline of these values in modern women didn’t happen in isolation. It happened because weak men stopped demanding excellence and started settling for mediocrity. If you want a good woman, you need to be a strong man. A man with a vision, discipline, and integrity naturally attracts women with these values. But if you tolerate nonsense, you’ll get nonsense.

Men: Hold the Line

Demand these values unapologetically. Be clear in your standards and refuse to compromise on the qualities that build strong families. If a woman lacks these values, move on—don’t try to fix her. Focus on building yourself into a man of strength, honor, and discipline. When you lead with excellence, the right woman will rise to meet you.

Women: Reclaim Your Legacy

These values are not outdated—they’re timeless. They are the pillars of strong relationships, families, and communities. If you’ve lost them, it’s not too late to rebuild. A good woman who embodies these values is rare and powerful. Reclaim your legacy, and you’ll attract a man worthy of your strength.

The Code Is Simple:

Men: Demand excellence and lead with strength.

Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.

Together, these principles will create families that thrive, legacies that last, and communities that stand unshaken. Weakness destroys, but strength builds. Be the solution.

Oh dear.

Now…here is the antidote…I can’t be bothered going through the whole thing, but read it again with he/him/man replacing her/she/woman throughout. It’s a rather old idea, but it should read just as well either way….

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Date: 6/01/2025 09:52:43
From: Michael V
ID: 2233614
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


“Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.”

…and make me a sandwich while you’re at it!

“Put another log on the fire
Fix me up some bacon and some beans”

As the 1960s satirical song put it.

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Date: 6/01/2025 10:02:02
From: Tamb
ID: 2233616
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


captain_spalding said:

“Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.”

…and make me a sandwich while you’re at it!

“Put another log on the fire
Fix me up some bacon and some beans”

As the 1960s satirical song put it.

Oh lord it’s hard to be humble
When I’m perfect in every way.

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Date: 6/01/2025 10:09:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233619
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


“Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.”

…and make me a sandwich while you’re at it!

Made me think of:

Women: Know Your Limits! Harry Enfield – BBC comedy

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Date: 6/01/2025 12:19:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2233697
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


“Women: Embrace your traditional values with pride.”

…and make me a sandwich while you’re at it!

tradition is bullshit

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Date: 7/01/2025 08:39:59
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2233936
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.science.org/content/article/biologist-aims-solve-cell-s-biggest-mystery-could-it-help-cancer-patients-too

Link

Leonard Rome and his 3D replicated cell vaults

Leonard Rome’s lab discovered an odd, abundant component of cells in the 1980s—and he’s still trying to figure out what it does

6 Jun 2024 10:50 am
ByJohn Travis

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Date: 7/01/2025 10:41:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233948
Subject: re: today I learned

1 + 2744210/6625109 = 2^0.5.

Near enough for an Excel user anyway.

1 + 6625109/15994428 is even closer.

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Date: 7/01/2025 11:00:55
From: dv
ID: 2233950
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


1 + 2744210/6625109 = 2^0.5.

Near enough for an Excel user anyway.

1 + 6625109/15994428 is even closer.

Nerrrrrrd

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Date: 7/01/2025 11:18:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2233959
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

1 + 2744210/6625109 = 2^0.5.

Near enough for an Excel user anyway.

1 + 6625109/15994428 is even closer.

Nerrrrrrd

Thankyou kindly sir.

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Date: 7/01/2025 17:52:38
From: dv
ID: 2234092
Subject: re: today I learned

Lennie Peters, of the musical duo Peters and Lee, was blinded in one eye during a car accident when he was five years old. A thrown brick blinded his other eye when he was sixteen.

—-

That must have been pretty rough.

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Date: 7/01/2025 18:16:22
From: Michael V
ID: 2234099
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Lennie Peters, of the musical duo Peters and Lee, was blinded in one eye during a car accident when he was five years old. A thrown brick blinded his other eye when he was sixteen.

—-

That must have been pretty rough.

I’ll say!

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:24:59
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234171
Subject: re: today I learned

Egypt is currently the world’s largest producer of table olives.

But they are ranked ninth in production of olive oil.

https://www.internationaloliveoil.org/world-market-of-olive-oil-and-table-olives-data-from-december-2024/

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:52:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234172
Subject: re: today I learned

Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:52:40
From: party_pants
ID: 2234173
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

Quite surprised by that

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:53:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234174
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

Australian = Australia :)

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:54:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234175
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

Quite surprised by that

Did you think we would be higher or lower?

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:58:26
From: party_pants
ID: 2234176
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

Quite surprised by that

Did you think we would be higher or lower?

Lower. I thought productive olive groves take decades to mature and start producing a return on investment. my impression is that most Aussie farmers are after the quickest buck they can get. Nealy 116,000 tons of it is more than I was expecting.

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Date: 7/01/2025 23:58:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2234177
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

and are we mostly oil producers?

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Date: 8/01/2025 00:04:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234182
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Quite surprised by that

Did you think we would be higher or lower?

Lower. I thought productive olive groves take decades to mature and start producing a return on investment. my impression is that most Aussie farmers are after the quickest buck they can get. Nealy 116,000 tons of it is more than I was expecting.

There are some very big plantations.

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Date: 8/01/2025 00:06:28
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2234183
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

Australian is ranked 18th in annual production of olives (115,961.79 tons), just below Chile and just above Iran.

https://www.atlasbig.com/en-au/countries-by-olive-production

and are we mostly oil producers?

Yes, about 90% of Oz olives go into oil.

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Date: 8/01/2025 00:15:11
From: party_pants
ID: 2234186
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Did you think we would be higher or lower?

Lower. I thought productive olive groves take decades to mature and start producing a return on investment. my impression is that most Aussie farmers are after the quickest buck they can get. Nealy 116,000 tons of it is more than I was expecting.

There are some very big plantations.

I won’t dispute it. Just that I didn’t expect it. Probably not anywhere near where I live.

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Date: 8/01/2025 00:32:14
From: dv
ID: 2234188
Subject: re: today I learned

Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

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Date: 8/01/2025 00:51:11
From: Kingy
ID: 2234189
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

Yeah, I guess we’ll find out after the inquiry, but it appears that the pilot tried to pull up without enough airspeed, causing a stall.

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Date: 8/01/2025 01:55:15
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2234192
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


dv said:

Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

Yeah, I guess we’ll find out after the inquiry, but it appears that the pilot tried to pull up without enough airspeed, causing a stall.

Video from Channel 7 –
https://7news.com.au/video/news/disaster-and-emergency/rottnest-seaplane-crash-video-bc-6366765641112

Link

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Date: 8/01/2025 03:11:47
From: dv
ID: 2234195
Subject: re: today I learned

Alan Napier, who played Alfred in the 1960s Batman movies and TV show, was cousin to Neville Chamberlain.

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Date: 8/01/2025 05:21:06
From: kii
ID: 2234199
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

“Three people have been seriously injured in a seaplane crash off Rottnest Island, a popular tourist destination east of Perth.”

From the ABC’s report.
East? That’s unusual.
Huh?

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Date: 8/01/2025 05:29:05
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234200
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

dv said:

Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

“Three people have been seriously injured in a seaplane crash off Rottnest Island, a popular tourist destination east of Perth.”

From the ABC’s report.
East? That’s unusual.
Huh?

so they took the long way around

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Date: 8/01/2025 06:11:44
From: kii
ID: 2234203
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

dv said:

Unusual situation with the Rottnest plane crash

“Three people have been seriously injured in a seaplane crash off Rottnest Island, a popular tourist destination east of Perth.”

From the ABC’s report.
East? That’s unusual.
Huh?

so they took the long way around

It could be. We’re all east of somewhere.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:01:43
From: dv
ID: 2234676
Subject: re: today I learned

Avgas is still leaded.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:06:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2234677
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Avgas is still leaded.

Interesting. Thanks.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:10:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2234678
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Avgas is still leaded.

There are still a lot of old piston-engined aeroplanes still flying.

Mind you – I don’t understand why at a major engine service, installing hardened valve seats etc, or new cylinder heads with modern gear is not mandated.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:12:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 2234679
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Avgas is still leaded.

There are still a lot of old piston-engined aeroplanes still flying.

Mind you – I don’t understand why at a major engine service, installing hardened valve seats etc, or new cylinder heads with modern gear is not mandated.

One would tend to assume it had been done.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:22:56
From: dv
ID: 2234680
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:24:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234681
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Avgas is still leaded.

There are still a lot of old piston-engined aeroplanes still flying.

Mind you – I don’t understand why at a major engine service, installing hardened valve seats etc, or new cylinder heads with modern gear is not mandated.

One would tend to assume it had been done.

Private aviation sometimes likes to keep quiet about some things, and hope that no-one notices.

One such instance was the border shut-downs during COVID.

People were blockedfrom driving across the borders, and were pursued and prosecuted if they didso.

Meanwhile, private planes blithely buzzed back and forth overhead.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:26:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2234682
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



Setting your little girl up for life by naming her ‘battle battle’.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:26:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2234683
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



What about a gun shearer.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:32:07
From: dv
ID: 2234684
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:


What about a gun shearer.

According to Wiktionary, it is a compound word made up of gun and shearer, the latter word being from roots meaning to cut.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:38:28
From: buffy
ID: 2234690
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:


What about a gun shearer.

According to Wiktionary, it is a compound word made up of gun and shearer, the latter word being from roots meaning to cut.

And then there is the Gonne…

Yes, it’s Pratchet

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:40:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234693
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

There are still a lot of old piston-engined aeroplanes still flying.

Mind you – I don’t understand why at a major engine service, installing hardened valve seats etc, or new cylinder heads with modern gear is not mandated.

One would tend to assume it had been done.

Private aviation sometimes likes to keep quiet about some things, and hope that no-one notices.

One such instance was the border shut-downs during COVID.

People were blockedfrom driving across the borders, and were pursued and prosecuted if they didso.

Meanwhile, private planes blithely buzzed back and forth overhead.

look privilège is privilège, don’t knock it

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:41:24
From: kii
ID: 2234694
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



A former bookstore colleague’s grandson’s name is “Gunner”.
Strange people.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:44:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234696
Subject: re: today I learned

yeah well gnu isn’t short for unix like system

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:58:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2234699
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


dv said:


A former bookstore colleague’s grandson’s name is “Gunner”.
Strange people.

I think that’s a variant of “Gunnar” a German and Scandinavian personal name.

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Date: 9/01/2025 09:59:59
From: kii
ID: 2234700
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


kii said:

dv said:


A former bookstore colleague’s grandson’s name is “Gunner”.
Strange people.

I think that’s a variant of “Gunnar” a German and Scandinavian personal name.

They’re from Texas.

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Date: 9/01/2025 10:02:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2234701
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

A former bookstore colleague’s grandson’s name is “Gunner”.
Strange people.

I think that’s a variant of “Gunnar” a German and Scandinavian personal name.

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

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Date: 9/01/2025 10:10:53
From: kii
ID: 2234704
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


kii said:

Michael V said:

I think that’s a variant of “Gunnar” a German and Scandinavian personal name.

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!

Any normal person would avoid a name like that.

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Date: 9/01/2025 10:13:24
From: Tamb
ID: 2234706
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!

Any normal person would avoid a name like that.


Maybe his parents were Arsenal fans.

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Date: 9/01/2025 11:04:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2234717
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:

Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!

Any normal person would avoid a name like that.

so only abnormals with more than 5 digits are protected from put downs

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Date: 9/01/2025 15:50:43
From: Neophyte
ID: 2234767
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


kii said:

Michael V said:

I think that’s a variant of “Gunnar” a German and Scandinavian personal name.

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

Gunnar Hansen played the cannibal “Leatherface” in “The TexasChainsaw Massacre”

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Date: 9/01/2025 16:38:17
From: Michael V
ID: 2234780
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Michael V said:

kii said:

They’re from Texas.

Why would being from Texas stop someone from giving their child a German and Scandinavian personal name?

Gunnar Hansen played the cannibal “Leatherface” in “The TexasChainsaw Massacre”

Huh!

Well there you go.

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Date: 10/01/2025 15:40:45
From: dv
ID: 2235232
Subject: re: today I learned

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

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Date: 10/01/2025 15:41:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2235233
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

They don’t know what they’re missing.

I mean, literally, they don’t.

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Date: 10/01/2025 15:48:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2235242
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:03:54
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2235243
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

Geosmin remediation in drinking water
Geosmin cannot be removed from water using standard treatment processes. Treating for geosmin requires additional treatment, which may not be available to all municipal water suppliers. Activated carbon filters may be able to help somewhat, but few studies have been completed to address this issue.

OOh

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:05:19
From: kii
ID: 2235244
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

Growing up in the inner city suburbs of Sydney the smell after rain on a hot summer’s day was very different to the smell I first encountered in the leafy northern suburbs of North Sydney. I remember being overwhelmed by the amazing scent of the earth in Roseville after the summer storms. Most addictive.

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:22:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2235249
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

Huh!

I misread smell as “spell”.

Destroys my little joke.

Ah well. Can’t win them all. In fact, can’t win many, if any…

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:32:12
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235252
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

They don’t know what they’re missing.

I mean, literally, they don’t.

that’s a shame.

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:39:48
From: dv
ID: 2235253
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

Perhaps there is a typo there. I don’t get your meaning.

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Date: 10/01/2025 16:51:41
From: Michael V
ID: 2235254
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Apparently a lot of people can’t smell petrichor.

But the might smell it, along with geosmin.

Perhaps there is a typo there. I don’t get your meaning.

A typo and a misread. I misread smell as “spell”.

I typed they, but didn’t check well enough – it came out as “the”.

(The keyboard on this laptop is knackered.)

So my joke failed.

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Date: 11/01/2025 10:55:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235479
Subject: re: today I learned

of Ernst Stueckelberg

Thankyou Quora.

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Date: 11/01/2025 11:26:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235488
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Ernst Stueckelberg

Thankyou Quora.

¿such

his idiosyncratic style

as?

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Date: 11/01/2025 13:50:18
From: dv
ID: 2235571
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Ernst Stueckelberg

Thankyou Quora.

So he came up with the positron=electron moving backwards thing. I previously thought that was a Feynmann original.

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Date: 11/01/2025 14:52:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235587
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Ernst Stueckelberg

Thankyou Quora.

So he came up with the positron=electron moving backwards thing. I previously thought that was a Feynmann original.

maybe there can be multiple independent discoveries inventions developments andor maybe there can be multiple unattributed intellectual property appropriations

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Date: 11/01/2025 15:38:19
From: dv
ID: 2235614
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Ernst Stueckelberg

Thankyou Quora.

So he came up with the positron=electron moving backwards thing. I previously thought that was a Feynmann original.

maybe there can be multiple independent discoveries inventions developments andor maybe there can be multiple unattributed intellectual property appropriations

Not this time though. Feynmann acknowledged ES. I just didn’t know.

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Date: 11/01/2025 18:01:01
From: dv
ID: 2235657
Subject: re: today I learned

Blue Peter is a maritime flag denoting departure, and this is where the children’s show got its name.

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Date: 12/01/2025 01:39:35
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235888
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

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Date: 12/01/2025 02:04:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235891
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

Did you only learn about this now?

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Date: 12/01/2025 07:39:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2235904
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


SCIENCE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

Did you only learn about this now?

I did.

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Date: 12/01/2025 07:44:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235905
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

Did you only learn about this now?

I did.

I suppose it was kept quiet for a very long time. I knew because my father was there at the time.

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Date: 12/01/2025 08:25:06
From: Ian
ID: 2235909
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

Did you only learn about this now?

I did.

I didn’t know all the details.

Article mentions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots

This wasn’t my mental image of a zoot suit

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Date: 12/01/2025 08:28:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2235911
Subject: re: today I learned

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Did you only learn about this now?

I did.

I didn’t know all the details.

Article mentions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots

This wasn’t my mental image of a zoot suit

Got all your mental images sorted now then?

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Date: 12/01/2025 11:08:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2235956
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Did you only learn about this now?

I did.

I suppose it was kept quiet for a very long time. I knew because my father was there at the time.

well yes c’m‘on it’s not like 1 we were there or 2 it’s SCIENCE in even a fairly broad sense

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Date: 12/01/2025 11:18:35
From: kii
ID: 2235959
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I did.

I suppose it was kept quiet for a very long time. I knew because my father was there at the time.

well yes c’m‘on it’s not like 1 we were there or 2 it’s SCIENCE in even a fairly broad sense

I knew about, thanks to kitchen table discussions about the “over-sexed, over-paid and over-here” American military by my parental and grandparental units.

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Date: 13/01/2025 15:49:25
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2236330
Subject: re: today I learned

The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

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Date: 13/01/2025 15:50:19
From: dv
ID: 2236332
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the British but I don’t think I’ve heard people say they have no culture.

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Date: 13/01/2025 15:56:30
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236334
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the British but I don’t think I’ve heard people say they have no culture.

on the other hand people do get called uncultured

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Date: 13/01/2025 15:57:59
From: dv
ID: 2236335
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the British but I don’t think I’ve heard people say they have no culture.

on the other hand people do get called uncultured

Honestly this reads like something written by someone who says “They won’t let us say Merry Christmas!”

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Date: 13/01/2025 15:58:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236336
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

And the chaps, don’t forget the chaps.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:04:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2236337
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.quora.com/Considering-the-technological-advancements-during-World-War-II-which-lesser-known-invention-or-scientific-breakthrough-had-a-significant-yet-often-overlooked-impact-on-the-outcome-of-the-war-How-did-it-shape-the

Link

Kitty litter and a Frenchman.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:04:30
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2236338
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the British but I don’t think I’ve heard people say they have no culture.

on the other hand people do get called uncultured

Honestly this reads like something written by someone who says “They won’t let us say Merry Christmas!”

yes, I thought it it a tad funny.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:05:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236339
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I remember how Captain Cook described the land just south of Stanthorpe as being Australia Felix.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:08:39
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236340
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


ChrispenEvan said:

The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I remember how Captain Cook described the land just south of Stanthorpe as being Australia Felix.

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:10:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236341
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The idea that the British have no “culture” is because the entire world is British culture, like a fish in water you don’t realise you are surrounded by it, so it doesn’t stand out as others do: The entire world wears the British national dress (the suit), the entire world uses British inventions, in fact you’re reading this due to them right now (the internet, touchscreen, the telephone, the battery in your phone), British culture is creation, British culture is conquering those that are less developed and bringing them to standard, for the betterment of the Earth, it is therefore superior to all 🇬🇧

Hear! Hear!

I remember how Captain Cook described the land just south of Stanthorpe as being Australia Felix.

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:11:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2236342
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I remember how Captain Cook described the land just south of Stanthorpe as being Australia Felix.

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

Australia Felix (Latin for “fortunate Australia” or “happy Australia”) was an early name given by Thomas Mitchell to lush pasture in parts of western Victoria he explored in 1836 on his third expedition.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:13:55
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236343
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

Australia Felix (Latin for “fortunate Australia” or “happy Australia”) was an early name given by Thomas Mitchell to lush pasture in parts of western Victoria he explored in 1836 on his third expedition.

And that’s to the south of Stanthorpe.

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:15:29
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2236344
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

Australia Felix (Latin for “fortunate Australia” or “happy Australia”) was an early name given by Thomas Mitchell to lush pasture in parts of western Victoria he explored in 1836 on his third expedition.

And that’s to the south of Stanthorpe.

nods

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:20:11
From: dv
ID: 2236347
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

Australia Felix (Latin for “fortunate Australia” or “happy Australia”) was an early name given by Thomas Mitchell to lush pasture in parts of western Victoria he explored in 1836 on his third expedition.

Victoria is technically south of Stanthorpe

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Date: 13/01/2025 16:32:08
From: dv
ID: 2236352
Subject: re: today I learned

I was previously unaware of the scale of convict transportation to British America, mostly to Virginia and Maryland. Estimates of numbers seem to vary a lot from 50000 to 120000, compared to around 160000 transported to Australia.

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Date: 13/01/2025 17:02:29
From: Arts
ID: 2236364
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 13/01/2025 17:04:33
From: Michael V
ID: 2236365
Subject: re: today I learned

Arts said:



They’re pretty weird, hey.

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Date: 13/01/2025 17:08:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2236366
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Arts said:


They’re pretty weird, hey.

The males are much smaller than the females and not equipped to survive for long.

Here are two fused with a female.

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Date: 13/01/2025 19:04:28
From: buffy
ID: 2236395
Subject: re: today I learned

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well it was Captain Cook but it’s broadly correct.

And it wasn’t the land to the south of Stanthorpe but it’s mostly correct.

Australia Felix (Latin for “fortunate Australia” or “happy Australia”) was an early name given by Thomas Mitchell to lush pasture in parts of western Victoria he explored in 1836 on his third expedition.

In fact, right where I am now…or slightly Northerer by a little bit.

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Date: 13/01/2025 20:26:30
From: dv
ID: 2236437
Subject: re: today I learned

Since 2008, Australia has celebrated Merchant Navy Day on 3 September.

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:22:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236454
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

Bubblecar said:

ChrispenEvan said:

More likely a pair of high heels.


Surely they’d be crocs.

Ha!



Range of gharial as of 2019 in black

damn

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:26:29
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236456
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

Surely they’d be crocs.

Ha!



Range of gharial as of 2019 in black

damn

Apparently it grows up to 9 feet.
But usually has 4.

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:27:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2236457
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Ha!



Range of gharial as of 2019 in black

damn

Apparently it grows up to 9 feet.
But usually has 4.

one on each corner?

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:30:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236459
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:



Range of gharial as of 2019 in black

damn

Apparently it grows up to 9 feet.
But usually has 4.

one on each corner?

the other day we saw a 60 foot long millipede

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:47:59
From: Michael V
ID: 2236468
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Apparently it grows up to 9 feet.
But usually has 4.

one on each corner?

the other day we saw a 60 foot long millipede

15 segments.

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Date: 13/01/2025 21:58:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2236470
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

one on each corner?

the other day we saw a 60 foot long millipede

15 segments.

Rather a short one then.

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Date: 14/01/2025 10:08:58
From: dv
ID: 2236557
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 14/01/2025 10:18:22
From: Michael V
ID: 2236560
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:



LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)

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Date: 14/01/2025 10:27:11
From: Tamb
ID: 2236564
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)


The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

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Date: 14/01/2025 10:29:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2236566
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)

‘tis true too.

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:23:20
From: buffy
ID: 2236676
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

dv said:


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)


The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:27:25
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236678
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)


The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

City town planners

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:47:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2236680
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


Tamb said:

Michael V said:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Love it!

:)


The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

Years ago, we decided to drive out to a Qld beach, which is in a National Park.

We didn’t see the ‘4WD only’ sign.

There was a bunch of blokes in the parking area when we got there, sharing beers around some very large 4WD vehicles.

They were most surprised to see a 1985 Toyota Corona sedan pull up in the car park.

I know there’s tougher tracks than that, but if that was ‘4WD only’, then i’m the King of Albania.

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:50:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2236682
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

Tamb said:

The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

Years ago, we decided to drive out to a Qld beach, which is in a National Park.

We didn’t see the ‘4WD only’ sign.

There was a bunch of blokes in the parking area when we got there, sharing beers around some very large 4WD vehicles.

They were most surprised to see a 1985 Toyota Corona sedan pull up in the car park.

I know there’s tougher tracks than that, but if that was ‘4WD only’, then i’m the King of Albania.

… or at least you can pretend to be.

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:51:50
From: dv
ID: 2236683
Subject: re: today I learned

Not trying to judge but even if you are in a regional centre you shouldn’t necessarily be using a 3 tonne vehicle to pick up a jar of turmeric or go to the dentist. You might be a farmer but you don’t have to take farming equipment everywhere.

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Date: 14/01/2025 13:55:43
From: dv
ID: 2236686
Subject: re: today I learned

The last king of Albania was Zog I.
The current pretender to the throne is Leka.

“At the time of his birth on 26 March 1982, the South African government, by order of Prime Minister P. W. Botha, declared his maternity ward extraterritorial land, to ensure that Leka was born on Albanian soil.”

ha.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:00:37
From: Kingy
ID: 2236689
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

Tamb said:

The wankpanzer owners are pushing for larger parking bays for their behemoths.

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

Years ago, we decided to drive out to a Qld beach, which is in a National Park.

We didn’t see the ‘4WD only’ sign.

There was a bunch of blokes in the parking area when we got there, sharing beers around some very large 4WD vehicles.

They were most surprised to see a 1985 Toyota Corona sedan pull up in the car park.

I know there’s tougher tracks than that, but if that was ‘4WD only’, then i’m the King of Albania.

They weren’t the only ones surprised to see Corona turn up unexpectedly.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:04:08
From: dv
ID: 2236692
Subject: re: today I learned

Kingy said:


captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Well, this being mostly a farming community, and Woolies having made their carpark have more spaces…if you go into our Woolies carpark, where a Large Percentage of vehicles are utes, nothing is actually within the lines of the car spaces. Our BT50 sticks out lengthwise and there is barely space to get out of the car. Even my Suzuki S-cross SX4 only just fits in lengthwise.

Years ago, we decided to drive out to a Qld beach, which is in a National Park.

We didn’t see the ‘4WD only’ sign.

There was a bunch of blokes in the parking area when we got there, sharing beers around some very large 4WD vehicles.

They were most surprised to see a 1985 Toyota Corona sedan pull up in the car park.

I know there’s tougher tracks than that, but if that was ‘4WD only’, then i’m the King of Albania.

They weren’t the only ones surprised to see Corona turn up unexpectedly.

:)

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:09:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2236697
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Kingy said:

captain_spalding said:

Years ago, we decided to drive out to a Qld beach, which is in a National Park.

We didn’t see the ‘4WD only’ sign.

There was a bunch of blokes in the parking area when we got there, sharing beers around some very large 4WD vehicles.

They were most surprised to see a 1985 Toyota Corona sedan pull up in the car park.

I know there’s tougher tracks than that, but if that was ‘4WD only’, then i’m the King of Albania.

They weren’t the only ones surprised to see Corona turn up unexpectedly.

:)

No Spaniard expects the just a mild ‘flu‘¿

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:34:50
From: buffy
ID: 2236709
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Not trying to judge but even if you are in a regional centre you shouldn’t necessarily be using a 3 tonne vehicle to pick up a jar of turmeric or go to the dentist. You might be a farmer but you don’t have to take farming equipment everywhere.

You are probably in town to pick stuff up from the farm suppliers. A little runabout doesn’t cut it.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:37:26
From: dv
ID: 2236711
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

Not trying to judge but even if you are in a regional centre you shouldn’t necessarily be using a 3 tonne vehicle to pick up a jar of turmeric or go to the dentist. You might be a farmer but you don’t have to take farming equipment everywhere.

You are probably in town to pick stuff up from the farm suppliers. A little runabout doesn’t cut it.

Some people are.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:38:58
From: Tamb
ID: 2236714
Subject: re: today I learned

buffy said:


dv said:

Not trying to judge but even if you are in a regional centre you shouldn’t necessarily be using a 3 tonne vehicle to pick up a jar of turmeric or go to the dentist. You might be a farmer but you don’t have to take farming equipment everywhere.

You are probably in town to pick stuff up from the farm suppliers. A little runabout doesn’t cut it.


And your wife goes crook if she has to share a seat with a cow.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:47:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2236720
Subject: re: today I learned

I’d bet that most of the giant vehicle owners in this country town aren’t farmers. And in many cases are driving to the IGA in their panzers from a ten minute walk away.

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Date: 14/01/2025 14:50:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2236723
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


I’d bet that most of the giant vehicle owners in this country town aren’t farmers. And in many cases are driving to the IGA in their panzers from a ten minute walk away.

They might not be as athletic as you.

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Date: 14/01/2025 20:27:36
From: dv
ID: 2236823
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/o2okclRid4M?si=T-QQlA0ow4PkL3N8

TIL that Arthur Conan Doyle sounded like this.

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Date: 14/01/2025 20:59:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2236825
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://youtu.be/o2okclRid4M?si=T-QQlA0ow4PkL3N8

TIL that Arthur Conan Doyle sounded like this.

He certainly looks like and sounds like one of the chaps.

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Date: 16/01/2025 07:44:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2237403
Subject: re: today I learned

that Fritz Zwicky was an unpleasant person, whose revolutionary discoveries were overlooked during his lifetime.

I also learned that:
Zwicky was a generous humanitarian with a great concern for wider society. These two sides of his nature came together in the aftermath of the Second World War, when Zwicky worked hard to collect tons of books on astronomy and other topics, and shipped them to war-ravaged scientific libraries in Europe and Asia.

He also had a longstanding involvement with the charitable Pestalozzi Foundation of America, supporting orphanages. Zwicky received their gold medal in 1955, in recognition of his services.

Zwicky loved the mountains, and was an accomplished alpine climber.

He was critical of political posturing by all sides in the Middle East, and of the use of nuclear weapons in World War II. He considered that hope for the world lay with free people of good will who work together as needed, without institutions or permanent organizations.

Zwicky’s ideas captured the imagination of the public. He was widely quoted by reporters.

I guess there must have been two Fritz Zwickys.

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Date: 16/01/2025 07:52:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2237406
Subject: re: today I learned

I also learned of

God can’t exist because of Eric, the God-Eating Magic Penguin. Since Eric is god-eating by definition, he has no choice but to eat God. So if a god exists, he automatically ceases to exist as a result of being eaten.

Since this argument is sound, then God cannot exist unless you can prove that Eric doesn’t exist. And any logical proof you can make that Eric cannot exist can also be applied to any god. So either you can prove that Eric doesn’t exist, or you can’t. In either case, it follows that God doesn’t exist.

Of course this argument is rubbish, but it is rubbish in exactly the same way as the ontological argument and Gödel’s ontological proof is rubbish: it depends on axioms and definitions which don’t necessarily have anything to do with reality.

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Date: 16/01/2025 07:54:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2237408
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


I also learned of

God can’t exist because of Eric, the God-Eating Magic Penguin. Since Eric is god-eating by definition, he has no choice but to eat God. So if a god exists, he automatically ceases to exist as a result of being eaten.

Since this argument is sound, then God cannot exist unless you can prove that Eric doesn’t exist. And any logical proof you can make that Eric cannot exist can also be applied to any god. So either you can prove that Eric doesn’t exist, or you can’t. In either case, it follows that God doesn’t exist.

Of course this argument is rubbish, but it is rubbish in exactly the same way as the ontological argument and Gödel’s ontological proof is rubbish: it depends on axioms and definitions which don’t necessarily have anything to do with reality.

Good. Now take the Dog out of the penguin.

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Date: 16/01/2025 21:20:53
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237753
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:56:40
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2237840
Subject: re: today I learned

the new two pound coin

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Date: 17/01/2025 08:59:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2237844
Subject: re: today I learned

we prefer the old four pound notes

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Date: 18/01/2025 12:55:28
From: dv
ID: 2238390
Subject: re: today I learned

Utend̠i wa Tambuka is an epic poem in the Swahili language by Bwana Mwengo wa Athman, dated 1728. It is one of the earliest known documents in Swahili.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utendi_wa_Tambuka

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:36:51
From: dv
ID: 2238416
Subject: re: today I learned

Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:39:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238418
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

swear it’s been mentioned once or twice here in the last year but fair we all have our hockey moments

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:51:28
From: Michael V
ID: 2238430
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

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Date: 18/01/2025 13:51:28
From: Michael V
ID: 2238431
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:06:08
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2238435
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

chicken.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:46:12
From: Michael V
ID: 2238450
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

chicken.

Even better.

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Date: 18/01/2025 14:52:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2238454
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

chicken.

Even better.

>Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed, diners hold their hands above the sandwich to prevent the maggots from leaping. Some who eat the cheese prefer not to ingest the maggots. Those who do not wish to eat them place the cheese in a sealed paper bag. The maggots, starved for oxygen, writhe and jump in the bag, creating a “pitter-patter” sound. When the sounds subside, the maggots are dead and the cheese can be eaten.

This cheese is actually banned:

>The cheese faced legal challenges from the government of Italy as early as 1962, when it was prohibited under laws against the sale of infested food. Because of European Union food hygiene-health regulations, the cheese has been outlawed, and offenders face heavy fines. Despite this the laws are sometimes not enforced, and some Sardinians organized themselves in order to make casu martzu available on the black market, where it may be sold for double the price of an ordinary block of pecorino cheese. As of 2019, the illegal production of this cheese was estimated at 100 tonnes (98 long tons; 110 short tons) per year, worth between €2–3 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu

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Date: 18/01/2025 15:05:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238455
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

Casu martzu (Sardinian: ; lit. ‘rotten/putrid cheese’), sometimes spelled casu marzu, and also called casu modde, casu cundídu and casu fràzigu in Sardinian, is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese that contains live insect larvae (maggots).

I suppose the maggots taste like cheese.

“…and i love this cheese! It tastes just like maggots!”

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Date: 19/01/2025 14:25:20
From: dv
ID: 2238784
Subject: re: today I learned

Maybe I knew this before but if so, I forgot.

TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift’s Electric Rifle.

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Date: 19/01/2025 18:12:06
From: Neophyte
ID: 2238866
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Maybe I knew this before but if so, I forgot.

TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift’s Electric Rifle.

Apparently in the books Tom Swift didn’t have a middle name/initial, the TASER people just added it to make it sound more legit.

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Date: 19/01/2025 18:14:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2238868
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


dv said:

Maybe I knew this before but if so, I forgot.

TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift’s Electric Rifle.

Apparently in the books Tom Swift didn’t have a middle name/initial, the TASER people just added it to make it sound more legit.

From what i remember of the books, the A woud have probably stood for ‘Arse’.

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Date: 19/01/2025 19:48:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2238889
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

Neophyte said:

dv said:

Maybe I knew this before but if so, I forgot.

TASER stands for Thomas A. Swift’s Electric Rifle.

Apparently in the books Tom Swift didn’t have a middle name/initial, the TASER people just added it to make it sound more legit.

From what i remember of the books, the A woud have probably stood for ‘Arse’.

maybe it’s just a transliteration of 射, damn these CHINA copycat industries have their fingers in every 排 the bastards

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Date: 20/01/2025 02:35:26
From: dv
ID: 2238969
Subject: re: today I learned

Tiktok Ltd is incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:05:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2239005
Subject: re: today I learned

of Elizabeth Holmes

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:07:41
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239006
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Elizabeth Holmes

Isn’t she the one who was so confident that shed come out of it with no real penalty, because, as she put it, ‘pretty people don’t go to prison’?

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:08:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239007
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Elizabeth Holmes

Isn’t she the one who was so confident that shed come out of it with no real penalty, because, as she put it, ‘pretty people don’t go to prison’?

from memory yes it’s a classic

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:12:45
From: kii
ID: 2239009
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

of Elizabeth Holmes

Isn’t she the one who was so confident that shed come out of it with no real penalty, because, as she put it, ‘pretty people don’t go to prison’?

from memory yes it’s a classic

It fits with the line of thinking that Melania would be a great First Lady because of her looks.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:13:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239010
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Isn’t she the one who was so confident that shed come out of it with no real penalty, because, as she put it, ‘pretty people don’t go to prison’?

from memory yes it’s a classic

It fits with the line of thinking that Melania would be a great First Lady because of her looks.

Be fair.

She’s a much better First Lady than Trump is a President.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:17:01
From: kii
ID: 2239011
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


kii said:

SCIENCE said:

from memory yes it’s a classic

It fits with the line of thinking that Melania would be a great First Lady because of her looks.

Be fair.

She’s a much better First Lady than Trump is a President.

I Really Don’t Care, Do You?
Be Best.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:19:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239013
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


captain_spalding said:

kii said:

It fits with the line of thinking that Melania would be a great First Lady because of her looks.

Be fair.

She’s a much better First Lady than Trump is a President.

I Really Don’t Care, Do You?
Be Best.

I probably care less than you do.

After all, you’re the one living in the middle of the clown show.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:31:56
From: buffy
ID: 2239014
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Elizabeth Holmes

Ah yes, I had read about Theranos some years ago. I’d forgotten her name.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:35:34
From: kii
ID: 2239016
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


kii said:

captain_spalding said:

Be fair.

She’s a much better First Lady than Trump is a President.

I Really Don’t Care, Do You?
Be Best.

I probably care less than you do.

After all, you’re the one living in the middle of the clown show.

That was on Melania’s coat.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45853364

Be Best was her anti-bullying campaign.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:36:47
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239018
Subject: re: today I learned

you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:39:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 2239020
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

You wouldn’t get all the benefits of living here with the pension though, surely.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:40:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239021
Subject: re: today I learned

kii said:


captain_spalding said:

kii said:

I Really Don’t Care, Do You?
Be Best.

I probably care less than you do.

After all, you’re the one living in the middle of the clown show.

That was on Melania’s coat.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45853364

Be Best was her anti-bullying campaign.

Ah, yes, i’d forgotten all about Melania’s coat.

Most apt.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:40:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2239022
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

You wouldn’t get all the benefits of living here with the pension though, surely.

I’ve known Italian Australians receiving a pension from Italy as well.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:40:25
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239023
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


ChrispenEvan said:

you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

You wouldn’t get all the benefits of living here with the pension though, surely.

you lose the energy supplement and concession card.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:41:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2239024
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

I receive a partial UK pension, which is deducted from my Australian pension.

I presume it works the same way the other way round.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:41:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239025
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

You wouldn’t get all the benefits of living here with the pension though, surely.

I’ve known Italian Australians receiving a pension from Italy as well.

my mum received a part pension from the UK. Her aussie pension was reduced.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:42:39
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2239027
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoQKJNgSwvY

Link

a good explanation.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:44:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2239028
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

Yep.

International social security agreements. With dozens of countries.

Depending on your eligibility, and the terms of the agreement with a particular country, you can do quite nicely out of it. There’s a number of countries where the Aust. Age Pension amounts to a tidy sort of income, by the local standard.

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:45:37
From: dv
ID: 2239029
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Elizabeth Holmes

It was kind of a hot news

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:46:44
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239031
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:

kii said:

captain_spalding said:

Be fair.

She’s a much better First Lady than Trump is a President.

I Really Don’t Care, Do You?
Be Best.

I probably care less than you do.

After all, you’re the one living in the middle of the clown show.

we mean fascism in the USSA stays in the USSA right

right

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Date: 20/01/2025 10:50:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2239032
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


you can live OS and still receive the australian old age pension.

But you must be in Australia on the day you claim it.

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Date: 20/01/2025 18:07:17
From: dv
ID: 2239191
Subject: re: today I learned

The MINI vehicle brand has been owned by BMW since the turn of the century.

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Date: 21/01/2025 08:20:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2239294
Subject: re: today I learned

Other names for etendue include acceptance, throughput, light grasp, light-gathering power, optical extent, and the AΩ product.

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Date: 21/01/2025 17:17:38
From: dv
ID: 2239590
Subject: re: today I learned

While Heard Island and McDonald Islands are an external territory, Australia’s other sub-Antarctic island (Macquarie Island) is not. It’s just part of the state of Tasmania.

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Date: 23/01/2025 09:20:27
From: dv
ID: 2240350
Subject: re: today I learned

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Date: 23/01/2025 09:46:50
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240356
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

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Date: 23/01/2025 09:52:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2240357
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

A bit of new stuff on STEVE.

Thanks.

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:03:30
From: dv
ID: 2240360
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

A bit of new stuff on STEVE.

Thanks.

The Stevening

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:08:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240361
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

A bit of new stuff on STEVE.

Thanks.

The Stevening

exactly. it’s all coming together.

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:10:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2240364
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

A bit of new stuff on STEVE.

Thanks.

The Stevening

:)

Yeah, I saw that…

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:52:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2240379
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/eerie-light-seen-in-the-sky-may-be-a-new-phenomenon-scientists-say

Link

STEVE.

It’s surely a gho-o-o-st.

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:53:30
From: Cymek
ID: 2240380
Subject: re: today I learned

Greetings

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Date: 23/01/2025 10:56:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2240381
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Greetings

Did you?

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Date: 23/01/2025 11:02:15
From: Cymek
ID: 2240385
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Cymek said:

Greetings

Did you?

Learn anything ?

Not yet, the day is young though.

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Date: 23/01/2025 11:28:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2240393
Subject: re: today I learned

Cymek said:


Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Greetings

Did you?

Learn anything ?

Not yet, the day is young though.

Uh-huh,

You said you’d learned “Greetings”. I was questioning that…

Oh, never mind. My non-humorous attempt at humour…

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Date: 23/01/2025 11:31:37
From: Tamb
ID: 2240396
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Did you?

Learn anything ?

Not yet, the day is young though.

Uh-huh,

You said you’d learned “Greetings”. I was questioning that…

Oh, never mind. My non-humorous attempt at humour…


Here’s something to add a little variety: Greetings: 28 Useful Formal and Informal Greetings in English.

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Date: 23/01/2025 11:37:50
From: Michael V
ID: 2240400
Subject: re: today I learned

Tamb said:


Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Learn anything ?

Not yet, the day is young though.

Uh-huh,

You said you’d learned “Greetings”. I was questioning that…

Oh, never mind. My non-humorous attempt at humour…


Here’s something to add a little variety: Greetings: 28 Useful Formal and Informal Greetings in English.

Wah gwan.

(Jamaican greeting – believe it or not, in English.)

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Date: 23/01/2025 13:00:43
From: esselte
ID: 2240422
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL the state of New Mexico was named such 200 years before the country Mexico was named Mexico.

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Date: 23/01/2025 13:20:29
From: dv
ID: 2240428
Subject: re: today I learned

esselte said:

TIL the state of New Mexico was named such 200 years before the country Mexico was named Mexico.

Misleading but I suppose I know what you mean

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Date: 23/01/2025 13:44:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240442
Subject: re: today I learned

Frost wrote the song when he was working with autistic children in his day job. He had gone out to get lunch at his local shop in the Sydney suburb of Asquith and saw a small boy not being noticed waiting at the counter. He was sufficiently moved by the vision to write the song. The song was rarely played live by the band; when it was, it was played in a modern country style.

why these rockers always work with neo Nazis damn

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Date: 23/01/2025 14:18:31
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240456
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-martian-dichotomy-red-planets-giant-riddle-finally-solved

Link

Mars is home to perhaps the greatest mystery of the Solar System: the so-called Martian dichotomy, which has baffled scientists since it was discovered in the 1970s.

The southern highlands of Mars (which cover about two-thirds of the planet’s surface) rise as much as five or six kilometres higher than the northern lowlands. Nowhere else in the Solar System do we see such a large, sharp contrast at this scale.

What caused this dramatic difference? Scientists have been split on whether it resulted from external factors – such as a collision with a huge, moon-sized asteroid – or internal ones, such as the flow of heat through the planet’s molten interior.

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Date: 23/01/2025 16:59:23
From: Neophyte
ID: 2240538
Subject: re: today I learned

Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:01:29
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240539
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:

Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

exactly why would you wear thongs if you were going to drive nude

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:01:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2240540
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

South Australians are too sensible to require legal constraints in such matters.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:03:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2240542
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

Or in fact anywhere in Australia.

Public decency and control of vehicle issues still apply.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:12:56
From: Neophyte
ID: 2240551
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Neophyte said:

Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

Or in fact anywhere in Australia.

Public decency and control of vehicle issues still apply.

Once upon a time, hot sun on vinyl seat covers would have made bare-bottomed driving inadvisable.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:15:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2240555
Subject: re: today I learned

Neophyte said:


Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Much like wearing thongs while driving, there aren’t any specific rules against driving while topless, or even nude, in South Australia.

Or in fact anywhere in Australia.

Public decency and control of vehicle issues still apply.

Once upon a time, hot sun on vinyl seat covers would have made bare-bottomed driving inadvisable.

LOL

Yes. Very much so.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:18:03
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240557
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


Neophyte said:

Michael V said:

Or in fact anywhere in Australia.

Public decency and control of vehicle issues still apply.

Once upon a time, hot sun on vinyl seat covers would have made bare-bottomed driving inadvisable.

LOL

Yes. Very much so.

one of the early lesson we learnt when we first got here. park in the shade even if it meant a long walk to wherever. the other was beach sand gets really hot.

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:27:46
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2240565
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

Neophyte said:

Once upon a time, hot sun on vinyl seat covers would have made bare-bottomed driving inadvisable.

LOL

Yes. Very much so.

one of the early lesson we learnt when we first got here. park in the shade even if it meant a long walk to wherever. the other was beach sand gets really hot.

what is a reflective internal sunshade

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Date: 23/01/2025 17:29:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240567
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

LOL

Yes. Very much so.

one of the early lesson we learnt when we first got here. park in the shade even if it meant a long walk to wherever. the other was beach sand gets really hot.

what is a reflective internal sunshade

don’t think they existed in 1968.

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Date: 23/01/2025 21:15:01
From: dv
ID: 2240691
Subject: re: today I learned

This happened a few months back but I just found out.

Seems the Schengen dream may be fading

Source: BPOL
Starting Monday, 16 September 2024, checks at all of Germany’s land borders will be temporarily reintroduced. This includes Germany’s western and northern borders. Border checks are already in place at Germany’s borders with Poland, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic. These will continue unchanged.

The Federal Police will conduct border checks flexibly and as required by the security situation. The extent, length and specific locations of border checks will depend on the security situation. This means that border checks will not be carried out everywhere along all borders but rather in a targeted way to combat cross-border crime and further limit irregular migration.

The Federal Police will make every effort to keep the impact on travellers and commuters as minimal as possible. To do so, the Federal Police are working closely with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries and in the federal states. However, temporary negative impacts on cross-border traffic cannot be completely avoided.

Travellers and commuters are asked to have official identification (national ID card or passport) with them. This is a requirement for all cross-border travel, regardless of any checks. Nationals of non-EU countries must meet the requirements for entering Germany, including a visa, if necessary.

Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser said: “Starting Monday, the Federal Police will carry out border checks at all of Germany’s borders. We want to reduce irregular migration further, stop migrant smugglers and criminals, and detect Islamists before they can do any harm. We continue to work closely with our neighbouring countries. We want to make sure that border control measures affect cross-border commuters and people living in the border regions as well as businesses and commerce as little as possible. The checks at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland have been going well for some time now and show how that can be done. These checks also ensure that we can effectively deny entry at the borders, and more than 30,000 people have been refused entry since October 2023. Since then, the number of asylum applications has fallen by 20% and the number of removals has gone up by 20% too. This shows that our measures are working. And that is why we are continuing to pursue this course.

“I am extremely grateful to the officers of the Federal Police for their strong commitment to policing the border. These efforts are only possible because we have increased funding and added a thousand officers each year, and we will continue to do so.”

The Federal Police are working closely and on the basis of trust with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries. Cross-border police cooperation includes joint patrols as well as police and customs cooperation centres, among other things.

The grounds for ordering temporary border control are the need to limit irregular migration further and to protect Germany’s internal security. With regard to irregular migration, Germany’s overall burden must be taken into account, especially the limited capacity of municipalities to provide housing, education and integration services after taking in 1.2 million refugees from the war in Ukraine and large numbers of asylum seekers in recent years.

The current security environment is also crucial, particularly the need to protect against Islamist extremist terrorism and serious cross-border crime.

Checks at Germany’s land border with Austria are currently in place until 11 November 2024, while the order to conduct checks at the land borders with Switzerland, the Republic of Poland and the Czech Republic remains in force until 15 December 2024. These temporary border control measures will be continued and their scheduling adjusted accordingly. Since the temporary border checks were reintroduced at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland on 16 October 2023, the Federal Police have detected approximately 52,000 illegal entries and refused entry to some 30,000 people at Germany’s borders. Entry is currently denied to people who do not have valid entry documents, who present forged or falsified documents, or who attempt to enter without a visa or valid residence title.

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Date: 23/01/2025 21:32:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2240700
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


This happened a few months back but I just found out.

Seems the Schengen dream may be fading

Source: BPOL
Starting Monday, 16 September 2024, checks at all of Germany’s land borders will be temporarily reintroduced. This includes Germany’s western and northern borders. Border checks are already in place at Germany’s borders with Poland, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic. These will continue unchanged.

The Federal Police will conduct border checks flexibly and as required by the security situation. The extent, length and specific locations of border checks will depend on the security situation. This means that border checks will not be carried out everywhere along all borders but rather in a targeted way to combat cross-border crime and further limit irregular migration.

The Federal Police will make every effort to keep the impact on travellers and commuters as minimal as possible. To do so, the Federal Police are working closely with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries and in the federal states. However, temporary negative impacts on cross-border traffic cannot be completely avoided.

Travellers and commuters are asked to have official identification (national ID card or passport) with them. This is a requirement for all cross-border travel, regardless of any checks. Nationals of non-EU countries must meet the requirements for entering Germany, including a visa, if necessary.

Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser said: “Starting Monday, the Federal Police will carry out border checks at all of Germany’s borders. We want to reduce irregular migration further, stop migrant smugglers and criminals, and detect Islamists before they can do any harm. We continue to work closely with our neighbouring countries. We want to make sure that border control measures affect cross-border commuters and people living in the border regions as well as businesses and commerce as little as possible. The checks at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland have been going well for some time now and show how that can be done. These checks also ensure that we can effectively deny entry at the borders, and more than 30,000 people have been refused entry since October 2023. Since then, the number of asylum applications has fallen by 20% and the number of removals has gone up by 20% too. This shows that our measures are working. And that is why we are continuing to pursue this course.

“I am extremely grateful to the officers of the Federal Police for their strong commitment to policing the border. These efforts are only possible because we have increased funding and added a thousand officers each year, and we will continue to do so.”

The Federal Police are working closely and on the basis of trust with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries. Cross-border police cooperation includes joint patrols as well as police and customs cooperation centres, among other things.

The grounds for ordering temporary border control are the need to limit irregular migration further and to protect Germany’s internal security. With regard to irregular migration, Germany’s overall burden must be taken into account, especially the limited capacity of municipalities to provide housing, education and integration services after taking in 1.2 million refugees from the war in Ukraine and large numbers of asylum seekers in recent years.

The current security environment is also crucial, particularly the need to protect against Islamist extremist terrorism and serious cross-border crime.

Checks at Germany’s land border with Austria are currently in place until 11 November 2024, while the order to conduct checks at the land borders with Switzerland, the Republic of Poland and the Czech Republic remains in force until 15 December 2024. These temporary border control measures will be continued and their scheduling adjusted accordingly. Since the temporary border checks were reintroduced at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland on 16 October 2023, the Federal Police have detected approximately 52,000 illegal entries and refused entry to some 30,000 people at Germany’s borders. Entry is currently denied to people who do not have valid entry documents, who present forged or falsified documents, or who attempt to enter without a visa or valid residence title.

That seems against the spirit of the EU.

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Date: 23/01/2025 21:43:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2240706
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

This happened a few months back but I just found out.

Seems the Schengen dream may be fading

Source: BPOL
Starting Monday, 16 September 2024, checks at all of Germany’s land borders will be temporarily reintroduced. This includes Germany’s western and northern borders. Border checks are already in place at Germany’s borders with Poland, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic. These will continue unchanged.

The Federal Police will conduct border checks flexibly and as required by the security situation. The extent, length and specific locations of border checks will depend on the security situation. This means that border checks will not be carried out everywhere along all borders but rather in a targeted way to combat cross-border crime and further limit irregular migration.

The Federal Police will make every effort to keep the impact on travellers and commuters as minimal as possible. To do so, the Federal Police are working closely with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries and in the federal states. However, temporary negative impacts on cross-border traffic cannot be completely avoided.

Travellers and commuters are asked to have official identification (national ID card or passport) with them. This is a requirement for all cross-border travel, regardless of any checks. Nationals of non-EU countries must meet the requirements for entering Germany, including a visa, if necessary.

Federal Minister of the Interior Nancy Faeser said: “Starting Monday, the Federal Police will carry out border checks at all of Germany’s borders. We want to reduce irregular migration further, stop migrant smugglers and criminals, and detect Islamists before they can do any harm. We continue to work closely with our neighbouring countries. We want to make sure that border control measures affect cross-border commuters and people living in the border regions as well as businesses and commerce as little as possible. The checks at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland have been going well for some time now and show how that can be done. These checks also ensure that we can effectively deny entry at the borders, and more than 30,000 people have been refused entry since October 2023. Since then, the number of asylum applications has fallen by 20% and the number of removals has gone up by 20% too. This shows that our measures are working. And that is why we are continuing to pursue this course.

“I am extremely grateful to the officers of the Federal Police for their strong commitment to policing the border. These efforts are only possible because we have increased funding and added a thousand officers each year, and we will continue to do so.”

The Federal Police are working closely and on the basis of trust with their partner authorities in Germany’s neighbouring countries. Cross-border police cooperation includes joint patrols as well as police and customs cooperation centres, among other things.

The grounds for ordering temporary border control are the need to limit irregular migration further and to protect Germany’s internal security. With regard to irregular migration, Germany’s overall burden must be taken into account, especially the limited capacity of municipalities to provide housing, education and integration services after taking in 1.2 million refugees from the war in Ukraine and large numbers of asylum seekers in recent years.

The current security environment is also crucial, particularly the need to protect against Islamist extremist terrorism and serious cross-border crime.

Checks at Germany’s land border with Austria are currently in place until 11 November 2024, while the order to conduct checks at the land borders with Switzerland, the Republic of Poland and the Czech Republic remains in force until 15 December 2024. These temporary border control measures will be continued and their scheduling adjusted accordingly. Since the temporary border checks were reintroduced at Germany’s borders with Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria and Switzerland on 16 October 2023, the Federal Police have detected approximately 52,000 illegal entries and refused entry to some 30,000 people at Germany’s borders. Entry is currently denied to people who do not have valid entry documents, who present forged or falsified documents, or who attempt to enter without a visa or valid residence title.

That seems against the spirit of the EU.

You know what is also against the spirit of the EU? Bloody immigrants!

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Date: 24/01/2025 00:43:59
From: dv
ID: 2240755
Subject: re: today I learned

The wapentake is an administrative subdivision in northern English counties, developed under Norse influence, and corresponding to hundreds in the rest of England. It is equivalent to weapon take.

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Date: 24/01/2025 01:12:01
From: Michael V
ID: 2240757
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The wapentake is an administrative subdivision in northern English counties, developed under Norse influence, and corresponding to hundreds in the rest of England. It is equivalent to weapon take.

That led to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_

and then more specifically this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_(county_division)#Chiltern_Hundreds

Which led to this abomination!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_from_the_House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom

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Date: 24/01/2025 01:53:57
From: dv
ID: 2240764
Subject: re: today I learned

Michael V said:


dv said:

The wapentake is an administrative subdivision in northern English counties, developed under Norse influence, and corresponding to hundreds in the rest of England. It is equivalent to weapon take.

That led to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_

and then more specifically this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_(county_division)#Chiltern_Hundreds

Which led to this abomination!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_from_the_House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom

that’s weird

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Date: 24/01/2025 08:00:30
From: Michael V
ID: 2240777
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

The wapentake is an administrative subdivision in northern English counties, developed under Norse influence, and corresponding to hundreds in the rest of England. It is equivalent to weapon take.

That led to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_

and then more specifically this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_(county_division)#Chiltern_Hundreds

Which led to this abomination!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_from_the_House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom

that’s weird

It sure is.

I have more questions than answers on that one. Perhaps it is just the British being British.

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Date: 24/01/2025 08:42:59
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240786
Subject: re: today I learned

Penrose unilluminable room.

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Date: 24/01/2025 09:35:40
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2240795
Subject: re: today I learned

all about the phrase greed is good

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Date: 24/01/2025 09:42:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2240796
Subject: re: today I learned

of Douglas MacArthur:

General Douglas MacArthur, the man who ran from the Philippines, moved to Australia and proceeded to denigrate everything Australian (even: (1) leaving out Australian involvement in action; (2) reporting certain Australian-only battles as GI-only; (3) trying to insist that Australian hoteliers could not serve soldiers of colour. This was largely ignored).

Note: This came from Quora, and I didn’t fact check it, so it may be all or partially wrong.

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Date: 24/01/2025 09:54:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2240797
Subject: re: today I learned

Also from Quora:

“ Fermat, for example, could differentiate and integrate polynomials. The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus was stated in 1350 by Oresme.”

I may well have known that before and forgotten it.

Assuming it is true, it does seem to be stretching things to say that Leibniz and Newton “invented” calculus.

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:15:48
From: dv
ID: 2240798
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learned the Welsh word for jellyfish

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:17:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2240799
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned the Welsh word for jellyfish


That’s a bit of a surprise :)

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:18:39
From: Michael V
ID: 2240800
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Today I learned the Welsh word for jellyfish


LOL

Could be painful sex…

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:18:41
From: dv
ID: 2240801
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Also from Quora:

“ Fermat, for example, could differentiate and integrate polynomials. The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus was stated in 1350 by Oresme.”

I may well have known that before and forgotten it.

Assuming it is true, it does seem to be stretching things to say that Leibniz and Newton “invented” calculus.

They generalised it. They put the scraps into a cohesive and universal form.

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:40:41
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2240811
Subject: re: today I learned

Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens was nicknamed Plorn.

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:43:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2240812
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens was nicknamed Plorn.

What the Dickens?

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Date: 24/01/2025 10:46:43
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2240814
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


of Douglas MacArthur:

General Douglas MacArthur, the man who ran from the Philippines, moved to Australia and proceeded to denigrate everything Australian (even: (1) leaving out Australian involvement in action; (2) reporting certain Australian-only battles as GI-only; (3) trying to insist that Australian hoteliers could not serve soldiers of colour. This was largely ignored).

Note: This came from Quora, and I didn’t fact check it, so it may be all or partially wrong.

Accurate.

MacArthur had an ego which would have given Trump’s, or Musk’s, a damn good run for the money.

And he didn’t mind the money. Philippines President Quezon, in 1942, just gave MacArthur US$500,000 (nearly US $10 million, in today’s money), to which MacArthur put up no pretence of not taking.

MacArthur, like some others we know, only cared about one person: MacArthur. He felt that he was ‘a man of destiny’, believed in his own self-assessed genius, and had his sights firmly set on the White House (and God knows what, thereafter).

Like some others, he surrounded himself with a bunch of lackeys who were, mostly, venal, incompetent, sycophantic, often drunk, and held in general contempt by others who had to deal with them.

To be fair, MacArthur did run a pretty clever campaign of amphibious operations along the northern coast of New Guinea, which constantly wrong-footed the Japanese, but much more of his time was spent trying to wrest control of the entire Pacific war, instead of the two-theatre arrangement of SW Pacific (MacArthur) and Central & South Pacific (Admiral Chester Nimitz).

He was obsessed with liberating the Philippines, and didn’t mind waging whatever kind of battle he saw as necessary to get the objectives he chose, regardless of the cost in American, Filipino, or Japanese lives, or the level of destruction wrought.

Many people thought that he would pick battles that simply weren’t necessary, attacking objectives that could have easily been by-passed, wasting lives in the process.

With his eyes set on a political career, he wanted to be seen as the superlative leader of American forces, as it was American votes that he was looking to secure. To that end, he and his sttaff made sure that absolutely no-one except MacArthur got credit for anything positive that came out of the SW Pacific theatre, tightly controlling all reporting from that front.

And, it also meant that no credit could be seen to belong to any forces other than the American forces led by Macarthur. So, Allied forces like Australians, New Zealanders, and Britain’s Royal Navy had to be kept out of the spotlight at all times.

While Americans advanced through battles like Saipan, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima, Allied army forces were allocated to ‘rear area’ operations against the Japanese in places like Borneo and the Celebes.

Those places could havequite easily been by-passed, and left to surrender after the inevitable end. People in those Allied forces well understood that the fighting they were caught up in had no real siginificance tot he final outcome, and that they were fighting, dying, and killing for no very good purpose at all.

There was a great deal of strong resentment of this, and soldiers, and even some senior officers in those forces, showed a marked reluctance, even defiance, towards orders to attack positions and objectives that had no real military value.

As for Macarthur and ‘coloured’ troops: very simply, he was 100% an old-time racist, who despised, feared, and belittled black people.

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Date: 24/01/2025 11:03:13
From: buffy
ID: 2240823
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

of Douglas MacArthur:

General Douglas MacArthur, the man who ran from the Philippines, moved to Australia and proceeded to denigrate everything Australian (even: (1) leaving out Australian involvement in action; (2) reporting certain Australian-only battles as GI-only; (3) trying to insist that Australian hoteliers could not serve soldiers of colour. This was largely ignored).

Note: This came from Quora, and I didn’t fact check it, so it may be all or partially wrong.

Accurate.

MacArthur had an ego which would have given Trump’s, or Musk’s, a damn good run for the money.

And he didn’t mind the money. Philippines President Quezon, in 1942, just gave MacArthur US$500,000 (nearly US $10 million, in today’s money), to which MacArthur put up no pretence of not taking.

MacArthur, like some others we know, only cared about one person: MacArthur. He felt that he was ‘a man of destiny’, believed in his own self-assessed genius, and had his sights firmly set on the White House (and God knows what, thereafter).

Like some others, he surrounded himself with a bunch of lackeys who were, mostly, venal, incompetent, sycophantic, often drunk, and held in general contempt by others who had to deal with them.

To be fair, MacArthur did run a pretty clever campaign of amphibious operations along the northern coast of New Guinea, which constantly wrong-footed the Japanese, but much more of his time was spent trying to wrest control of the entire Pacific war, instead of the two-theatre arrangement of SW Pacific (MacArthur) and Central & South Pacific (Admiral Chester Nimitz).

He was obsessed with liberating the Philippines, and didn’t mind waging whatever kind of battle he saw as necessary to get the objectives he chose, regardless of the cost in American, Filipino, or Japanese lives, or the level of destruction wrought.

Many people thought that he would pick battles that simply weren’t necessary, attacking objectives that could have easily been by-passed, wasting lives in the process.

With his eyes set on a political career, he wanted to be seen as the superlative leader of American forces, as it was American votes that he was looking to secure. To that end, he and his sttaff made sure that absolutely no-one except MacArthur got credit for anything positive that came out of the SW Pacific theatre, tightly controlling all reporting from that front.

And, it also meant that no credit could be seen to belong to any forces other than the American forces led by Macarthur. So, Allied forces like Australians, New Zealanders, and Britain’s Royal Navy had to be kept out of the spotlight at all times.

While Americans advanced through battles like Saipan, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima, Allied army forces were allocated to ‘rear area’ operations against the Japanese in places like Borneo and the Celebes.

Those places could havequite easily been by-passed, and left to surrender after the inevitable end. People in those Allied forces well understood that the fighting they were caught up in had no real siginificance tot he final outcome, and that they were fighting, dying, and killing for no very good purpose at all.

There was a great deal of strong resentment of this, and soldiers, and even some senior officers in those forces, showed a marked reluctance, even defiance, towards orders to attack positions and objectives that had no real military value.

As for Macarthur and ‘coloured’ troops: very simply, he was 100% an old-time racist, who despised, feared, and belittled black people.

My mother never spoke a good word about him. My knowledge is scanty.

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Date: 24/01/2025 20:31:02
From: dv
ID: 2241046
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_paradox

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Date: 24/01/2025 22:38:18
From: dv
ID: 2241086
Subject: re: today I learned

There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

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Date: 24/01/2025 22:47:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2241088
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

But how far is a “good distance”?

This far:

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Date: 24/01/2025 22:49:31
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2241089
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

“How far can saltwater crocodiles swim? They are known to be fantastic swimmers and can travel long distances by sea, sometimes as much as 900km. Saltwater crocodiles aren’t particularly strong swimmers, yet there have been many reports of sightings in the open ocean, far from land.”

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/reptiles/facts-about-saltwater-crocodile

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Date: 24/01/2025 22:50:10
From: tauto
ID: 2241090
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

Iguanas in the Galapagos, crocs in the Pacific isles, millions of years of survival.
Nature finds a way..

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Date: 24/01/2025 22:54:00
From: tauto
ID: 2241091
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

“How far can saltwater crocodiles swim? They are known to be fantastic swimmers and can travel long distances by sea, sometimes as much as 900km. Saltwater crocodiles aren’t particularly strong swimmers, yet there have been many reports of sightings in the open ocean, far from land.”

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/reptiles/facts-about-saltwater-crocodile

Also
The estuarine crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) is the world’s largest living reptile. It predominately inhabits freshwater and estuarine habitats, but widespread geographic distribution throughout oceanic islands of the South-east Pacific suggests that individuals undertake sizeable ocean voyages.

https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2656.2010.01709.x

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:03:40
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241094
Subject: re: today I learned

might have floated there on coconuts.

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:08:00
From: tauto
ID: 2241096
Subject: re: today I learned

Today I learnt that if the sun, in scale, was a 1 metre orb, then earth would be pea sized, 100 metres distant. That means our closest star, proxima centauri would then on the same scale be further from Sydney to London.
Or perhaps I am out by an order of magnitude.

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:16:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2241098
Subject: re: today I learned

tauto said:


Today I learnt that if the sun, in scale, was a 1 metre orb, then earth would be pea sized, 100 metres distant. That means our closest star, proxima centauri would then on the same scale be further from Sydney to London.
Or perhaps I am out by an order of magnitude.

I make it about 28,700 km, so you seem to be in the right order of magnitude.

Or we are both wrong.

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:16:24
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241099
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

might have floated there on coconuts.

nah they were there already and then the tectonic plates shifted them further

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:17:51
From: tauto
ID: 2241100
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


tauto said:

Today I learnt that if the sun, in scale, was a 1 metre orb, then earth would be pea sized, 100 metres distant. That means our closest star, proxima centauri would then on the same scale be further from Sydney to London.
Or perhaps I am out by an order of magnitude.

I make it about 28,700 km, so you seem to be in the right order of magnitude.

Or we are both wrong.

Thank you.🙂

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:21:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2241101
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

might have floated there on coconuts.

nah they were there already and then the tectonic plates shifted them further

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:37:55
From: dv
ID: 2241102
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


SCIENCE said:

ChrispenEvan said:

might have floated there on coconuts.

nah they were there already and then the tectonic plates shifted them further


I can’t read that because of the forum’s compression, but no

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:57:21
From: dv
ID: 2241103
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL there’s been no improvement in the maximum temperature of a non-pressurised superconductor for 30 years. The record is still held by HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ, critical temperature 133 to 138 K, as it was in 1993.

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Date: 24/01/2025 23:58:22
From: dv
ID: 2241104
Subject: re: today I learned

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

“How far can saltwater crocodiles swim? They are known to be fantastic swimmers and can travel long distances by sea, sometimes as much as 900km. Saltwater crocodiles aren’t particularly strong swimmers, yet there have been many reports of sightings in the open ocean, far from land.”

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/reptiles/facts-about-saltwater-crocodile

It’s a wonder they aren’t all over, then.

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Date: 25/01/2025 00:10:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2241107
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

Range:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_crocodile

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Date: 25/01/2025 00:18:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241108
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:

TIL there’s been no improvement in the maximum temperature of a non-pressurised superconductor for 30 years. The record is still held by HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ, critical temperature 133 to 138 K, as it was in 1993.

damn

what’s the hold up

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Date: 25/01/2025 00:22:30
From: dv
ID: 2241110
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

TIL there’s been no improvement in the maximum temperature of a non-pressurised superconductor for 30 years. The record is still held by HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ, critical temperature 133 to 138 K, as it was in 1993.

damn

what’s the hold up

IDK, maybe that’s really the limit

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Date: 25/01/2025 00:48:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2241114
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

There are saltwater crocodiles in Vanuatu.

This greatly surprised me as this is a good distance from major landmasses.

“How far can saltwater crocodiles swim? They are known to be fantastic swimmers and can travel long distances by sea, sometimes as much as 900km. Saltwater crocodiles aren’t particularly strong swimmers, yet there have been many reports of sightings in the open ocean, far from land.”

https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/reptiles/facts-about-saltwater-crocodile

It’s a wonder they aren’t all over, then.

They’re working on it.

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Date: 25/01/2025 00:53:00
From: dv
ID: 2241116
Subject: re: today I learned

The reason I raise the croc range issue is that a crocodile was spotted at Coonarr Beach, which is apparently the furthest south they’ve been sighted, on the coast at least.

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Date: 25/01/2025 07:19:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241127
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

TIL there’s been no improvement in the maximum temperature of a non-pressurised superconductor for 30 years. The record is still held by HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ, critical temperature 133 to 138 K, as it was in 1993.

damn

what’s the hold up

Funding for research has been frozen.

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Date: 25/01/2025 08:23:42
From: Michael V
ID: 2241135
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


The reason I raise the croc range issue is that a crocodile was spotted at Coonarr Beach, which is apparently the furthest south they’ve been sighted, on the coast at least.

Salties have been captured at Maryborough and relocated in 2013 and 2014. OK, that’s estuarine, not the coast. But it’s quite a bit further south than Burnett Heads / Bundaberg.

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Date: 25/01/2025 08:52:38
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2241147
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

TIL there’s been no improvement in the maximum temperature of a non-pressurised superconductor for 30 years. The record is still held by HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8+δ, critical temperature 133 to 138 K, as it was in 1993.

damn

what’s the hold up

Funding for research has been frozen.

so now everything is a superconductor

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Date: 25/01/2025 08:57:55
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241149
Subject: re: today I learned

Everyone knows that the whale is a mammal,
but what few know is that a small whale is
breastfed, but not through direct contact like
other land mammals…

Instead, the female whale throws away her milk
while her child is near her to breastfeed, but
whale milk has a high-fat content of 50%.
Therefore, the form of milk is thick and sticky
and does not dissolve in water. So the baby whale
can grab and eat the milk. A perfect breeding geometry.

📸 Photography: Mike Korostelev / UPY 2021.

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Date: 25/01/2025 09:55:30
From: dv
ID: 2241168
Subject: re: today I learned

On August 10, 2018, a Horizon Air De Havilland Canada Dash 8-400 was stolen from Seattle–Tacoma International Airport (Sea–Tac) by 28-year-old Richard Russell, a Horizon Air ground service agent with no piloting experience. After Russell performed an unauthorized takeoff, two McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle fighters were scrambled to intercept the aircraft. Sea–Tac air traffic control made radio contact with Russell, the sole occupant, who described himself as “just a white guy,” and “broken guy, got a few screws loose, I guess.” About 1 hour and 15 minutes after takeoff, Russell successfully executed a barrel roll before he crashed the aircraft on lightly populated Ketron Island in Puget Sound, killing only himself.

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Date: 25/01/2025 16:56:26
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241294
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY2YeM5fNDw

Link

The Lever Paradox 24:24

Steve Mould

Interesting.

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Date: 25/01/2025 17:15:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241300
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY2YeM5fNDw

Link

The Lever Paradox 24:24

Steve Mould

Interesting.

Yep, THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING

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Date: 25/01/2025 20:19:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241358
Subject: re: today I learned

We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

“Plornishmaroontigoonter”;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8vhAJQSbXk

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Date: 25/01/2025 20:20:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241359
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

Plornishmaroontigoonter

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:40:23
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2241375
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

Plornishmaroontigoonter


Heh, interesting.

Can’t agree with him though him that “you were either a boy or you wore long pants”. Boys wore long pants too, it’s just that boys were expected to work, if they were no longer in education.

Which, come to think of it, is the same today.

W

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:41:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2241376
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

Plornishmaroontigoonter


Heh, interesting.

Can’t agree with him though him that “you were either a boy or you wore long pants”. Boys wore long pants too, it’s just that boys were expected to work, if they were no longer in education.

Which, come to think of it, is the same today.

W

Subtract one “him” and one “W”.

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:46:46
From: dv
ID: 2241379
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/cleo-the-mysterious-math-menace1/

Cleo, the Mysterious Math Menace

In 2013 a new user named Cleo took an online math forum by storm with unproved answers. Today she’s an urban legend. But who was she?

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:50:23
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241384
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

Plornishmaroontigoonter

Thanks for that, interesting.

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:51:01
From: dv
ID: 2241385
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

We stop by to visit the grave of Charles Dickens’ youngest son, Edward “Plorn” Dickens, who moved to Australia in 1868 because…..reasons.

Plornishmaroontigoonter

Thanks for that, interesting.

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:51:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2241387
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Thanks for that, interesting.

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

All CD’s kids had silly nicknames, apparently.

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:52:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2241388
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Thanks for that, interesting.

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

All CD’s kids had silly nicknames, apparently.

…Plorn was short for “Plornishmaroontigoonter”.

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Date: 25/01/2025 21:53:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241389
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

sarahs mum said:

Thanks for that, interesting.

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

Plomegranate

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:00:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241392
Subject: re: today I learned

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Thanks for that, interesting.

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

Plomegranate

Though christened Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens, Dickens’ youngest son soon became known as Plorn, short for ‘Plornishmaroontigoonter’

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:02:10
From: dv
ID: 2241393
Subject: re: today I learned

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

All CD’s kids had silly nicknames, apparently.

…Plorn was short for “Plornishmaroontigoonter”.

Glad I asked

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:04:23
From: party_pants
ID: 2241394
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

Plomegranate

Though christened Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens, Dickens’ youngest son soon became known as Plorn, short for ‘Plornishmaroontigoonter’

any idea why he would be called that last owrd?

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:05:34
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241396
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Plomegranate

Though christened Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens, Dickens’ youngest son soon became known as Plorn, short for ‘Plornishmaroontigoonter’

any idea why he would be called that last owrd?

it is just a made up word with no logical reason to exist.

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:07:12
From: party_pants
ID: 2241397
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Though christened Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens, Dickens’ youngest son soon became known as Plorn, short for ‘Plornishmaroontigoonter’

any idea why he would be called that last owrd?

it is just a made up word with no logical reason to exist.

OK.

did anyone do a welfare check at the time?

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:09:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241398
Subject: re: today I learned

ChrispenEvan said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Plorn?

Is it short for something?

Plomegranate

Though christened Edward Bulwer Lytton Dickens, Dickens’ youngest son soon became known as Plorn, short for ‘Plornishmaroontigoonter’

Named after Edward Bulwer-Lytton the author no doubt.
I tried reading one of Ted’s books once, but I was a young callow youth not the intellectual I am today.

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:11:04
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241399
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

any idea why he would be called that last owrd?

it is just a made up word with no logical reason to exist.

OK.

did anyone do a welfare check at the time?

Hehe.

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:11:08
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2241400
Subject: re: today I learned

party_pants said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

any idea why he would be called that last owrd?

it is just a made up word with no logical reason to exist.

OK.

did anyone do a welfare check at the time?

none of that malarky in victorian england.

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:50:17
From: dv
ID: 2241406
Subject: re: today I learned

At the Imperial Conference in 1926, the UK began formally made several large colonies dominions: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Irish Free State.

The TIL part is that Newfoundland was a separate dominion.

It had been self-governing for over 70 years by this point and was seemingly on a path to full independence with the other five on that list. Its status was reaffirmed in the statute of Westminster 1931. However, it was already heavily in debt by the 1930s and the Depression ruined it financially. Newfoundland more or less voluntarily reduced itself to a Crown Colony.

So it remained until after WW2. Despite an improved financial position, there were doubts Newfoundland could be an effective independent nation. A two stage referendum was held in 1948. In the 2nd stage, the options were union with Canada or Dominion status, and union with Canada won 52-48. It became part of Canada in 1949.

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Date: 25/01/2025 22:56:15
From: dv
ID: 2241407
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


At the Imperial Conference in 1926, the UK began formally made several large colonies dominions: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Irish Free State.

The TIL part is that Newfoundland was a separate dominion.

It had been self-governing for over 70 years by this point and was seemingly on a path to full independence with the other five on that list. Its status was reaffirmed in the statute of Westminster 1931. However, it was already heavily in debt by the 1930s and the Depression ruined it financially. Newfoundland more or less voluntarily reduced itself to a Crown Colony.

So it remained until after WW2. Despite an improved financial position, there were doubts Newfoundland could be an effective independent nation. A two stage referendum was held in 1948. In the 2nd stage, the options were union with Canada or Dominion status, and union with Canada won 52-48. It became part of Canada in 1949.

Also, this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt

The only German military installation on North American land in WW2.

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Date: 25/01/2025 23:17:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2241409
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


At the Imperial Conference in 1926, the UK began formally made several large colonies dominions: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Irish Free State.

The TIL part is that Newfoundland was a separate dominion.

It had been self-governing for over 70 years by this point and was seemingly on a path to full independence with the other five on that list. Its status was reaffirmed in the statute of Westminster 1931. However, it was already heavily in debt by the 1930s and the Depression ruined it financially. Newfoundland more or less voluntarily reduced itself to a Crown Colony.

So it remained until after WW2. Despite an improved financial position, there were doubts Newfoundland could be an effective independent nation. A two stage referendum was held in 1948. In the 2nd stage, the options were union with Canada or Dominion status, and union with Canada won 52-48. It became part of Canada in 1949.

This thread has paid handsome dividends tonight.

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Date: 25/01/2025 23:54:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2241411
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


At the Imperial Conference in 1926, the UK began formally made several large colonies dominions: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Irish Free State.

The TIL part is that Newfoundland was a separate dominion.

It had been self-governing for over 70 years by this point and was seemingly on a path to full independence with the other five on that list. Its status was reaffirmed in the statute of Westminster 1931. However, it was already heavily in debt by the 1930s and the Depression ruined it financially. Newfoundland more or less voluntarily reduced itself to a Crown Colony.

So it remained until after WW2. Despite an improved financial position, there were doubts Newfoundland could be an effective independent nation. A two stage referendum was held in 1948. In the 2nd stage, the options were union with Canada or Dominion status, and union with Canada won 52-48. It became part of Canada in 1949.

i did not know. ta.

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Date: 26/01/2025 06:46:13
From: Michael V
ID: 2241436
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


dv said:

At the Imperial Conference in 1926, the UK began formally made several large colonies dominions: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Newfoundland, South Africa, Irish Free State.

The TIL part is that Newfoundland was a separate dominion.

It had been self-governing for over 70 years by this point and was seemingly on a path to full independence with the other five on that list. Its status was reaffirmed in the statute of Westminster 1931. However, it was already heavily in debt by the 1930s and the Depression ruined it financially. Newfoundland more or less voluntarily reduced itself to a Crown Colony.

So it remained until after WW2. Despite an improved financial position, there were doubts Newfoundland could be an effective independent nation. A two stage referendum was held in 1948. In the 2nd stage, the options were union with Canada or Dominion status, and union with Canada won 52-48. It became part of Canada in 1949.

Also, this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt

The only German military installation on North American land in WW2.

Ta. Interesting.

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Date: 26/01/2025 07:42:50
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2241444
Subject: re: today I learned

TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

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Date: 26/01/2025 08:11:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2241445
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

Well, there you go.

No birth-right citizenship for her.

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Date: 26/01/2025 08:12:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2241446
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Farrow#

A lot of stuff I didn’t know/had forgotten there.

I hope we all welcome her back with open arms when she is expelled from USA.

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Date: 26/01/2025 08:22:12
From: Michael V
ID: 2241448
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/cleo-the-mysterious-math-menace1/

Cleo, the Mysterious Math Menace

In 2013 a new user named Cleo took an online math forum by storm with unproved answers. Today she’s an urban legend. But who was she?

I don’t know, and neither do they.

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Date: 26/01/2025 08:38:19
From: kii
ID: 2241452
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

Ah, a nearly forgotten thing. I was fascinated by Mia Farrow.

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Date: 26/01/2025 09:07:15
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2241460
Subject: re: today I learned

In the Moscow Museum of Cosmonautics there is an exhibit dedicated to US-Soviet space relations.

The Apollo 11 crew carried a Soviet flag to the Moon and back. It was gifted and displayed here.

Even in the peak of the Cold War, humans found ways to share success through space.

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Date: 26/01/2025 09:20:59
From: kii
ID: 2241464
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFLOP-6xkOE/?igsh=MWphaThsbWUzdnN4cg==

Thorny devils drink water through their feet.

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Date: 26/01/2025 10:54:43
From: dv
ID: 2241493
Subject: re: today I learned

Spiny Norman said:


TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

I believe her father John Farrow was the first Australian to win an Oscar

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Date: 26/01/2025 11:15:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2241496
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


Spiny Norman said:

TIL that Mia Farrow is half Aussie.

I believe her father John Farrow was the first Australian to win an Oscar

Probably not, although he was nominated before this:

“Farrow’s activities were well covered by the Australian media. He accepted the Oscar won by the Australian documentary Kokoda Front Line! (1943)”

“Awards and honours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Farrow

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Date: 27/01/2025 21:29:41
From: Boris
ID: 2242276
Subject: re: today I learned

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

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Date: 27/01/2025 21:39:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242281
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

until 2025 when we’re seeing the attempt to engineer civilisational collapse in real time

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Date: 27/01/2025 23:18:10
From: Michael V
ID: 2242314
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

Nice work.

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:07:14
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2242339
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


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What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

Fascinating! Is there a link for this?

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:10:09
From: Boris
ID: 2242340
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


Boris said:

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

Fascinating! Is there a link for this?

Purely a FB post. could look for 4D entertainment and see if there is more there.

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:11:14
From: Boris
ID: 2242341
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


AussieDJ said:

Boris said:

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

Fascinating! Is there a link for this?

Purely a FB post. could look for 4D entertainment and see if there is more there.

https://www.facebook.com/moviemediahub247

Link

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:12:55
From: Boris
ID: 2242342
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


Boris said:

AussieDJ said:

Fascinating! Is there a link for this?

Purely a FB post. could look for 4D entertainment and see if there is more there.

https://www.facebook.com/moviemediahub247

Link

there isn’t. it is just that post.

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:15:02
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2242343
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


Boris said:

Boris said:

Purely a FB post. could look for 4D entertainment and see if there is more there.

https://www.facebook.com/moviemediahub247

Link

there isn’t. it is just that post.

Thank you.
That makes much more sense than a whole bunch of posts I found on Quora

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:17:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242344
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


Boris said:

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

Fascinating! Is there a link for this?

https://archive.org/details/quincy-m.-e.-s-04

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:18:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242345
Subject: re: today I learned

Series 3:

https://archive.org/details/quincy-m.-e.-s-03

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:20:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242346
Subject: re: today I learned

Series 7:

https://archive.org/details/quincy-m.-e.-s-07

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:20:40
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2242347
Subject: re: today I learned

AussieDJ said:


Boris said:

Boris said:

https://www.facebook.com/moviemediahub247

Link

there isn’t. it is just that post.

Thank you.
That makes much more sense than a whole bunch of posts I found on Quora

This is the post on FB – https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BXfH4iskc/
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BXfH4iskc/

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Date: 28/01/2025 00:36:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2242348
Subject: re: today I learned

I recall a report of an interview with areal crime scene investigator about 20 years agoo, when the CSI TV series were all therage, and he was asked about howthe science is portrayed in the shows.

He said something like, ‘about 60% of it is for real, we do that stuff. About 20% more is stuff we could do if we had the budget that those people in the show seem to have, and the last 20% or so is stuff we just dream about.’

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Date: 28/01/2025 04:03:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242362
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

I also enjoyed Quincy M.E.

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Date: 28/01/2025 04:03:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242363
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

4D Entertainment · Follow

What movie prop would people expect to be fake but is actually real?

This just might be the absolute nerdiest and most extreme example of dedication to scientific accuracy I have ever witnessed on screen. From 1976 to 1983 there was a series on TV called Quincy M.E. where medical examiner Dr. R. Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) in the Los Angeles Coroner’s Office solved crimes using his extensive scientific expertise, kind of a precursor to (and model for) the later series CSI: Crime Scene Investigation.
Quincy had a lab (run by his trusty lab tech Sam Fujiyama (played by Robert Ito) equipped with a comprehensive array of advanced scientific equipment. But rather than having a collection of “sciency-looking” props and going through the motions of using them to gather clues, these were ALL THE REAL THING, i.e. fully functional, expensive, high tech instruments, and actually used correctly during the show.

To accomplish all this, they hired an actual forensics technician from the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office with a scientific masters degree, Marc Scott Taylor, as a technical advisor to run and maintain all the complicated instrumentation on set.

Then, in 1978 during the third season, Robert Ito was unavailable for some reason to play Sam so they brought Marc in as a replacement to perform the on-screen analyses. From then on, he had a recurring role as Mark the lab tech along side Sam for the rest of the series.

Now that’s dedication to realism!

Oh, but there’s more!

As chemistry graduate students at the time, our entire lab couldn’t wait to watch each week and see what new mystery would be realistically solved in the lab by Quincy and Sam. As an example of the show’s realistic use of actual working instrumentation, in Season 3-Episode 20 (“Requiem for the Living,” 1978), a dying crime boss holds Quincy and Sam hostage to force them to find out how he was poisoned. They determine that someone injected a small amount of the super toxic chemical, nickel carbonyl, under the door of his apartment thinking that they had committed the perfect crime since nickel carbonyl is unstable and leaves little trace after some time. It shows them using an atomic absorption spectrometer to detect the nickel and an infrared spectrometer to detect the stretching vibrations of the carbonyl groups.

But the absolute, MOST MIND-BENDING EXAMPLE of scientific uber-realism, has to be in Season 5-Episode 1 (“No Way to Treat a Flower,” 1979) where Quincy has to figure out why people who are smoking pot from a particular dealer are dying. It turns out that the person growing the marijuana had been treating the plants with colchicine, a chemical that acts as a super growth enhancer. Colchicine was used during World War II to make industrial hemp plants, a variety of cannabis sativa that produces little to no THC, grow faster to make more rope for the war effort. It also works on the THC-producing variety but, in the show, the colchicine remaining in the pot was lethal. They isolated a small amount and identified it using a nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectrometer which works on the same principle as a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machine.

Now, it just so happened that one of the students in our lab at the time was working on a new synthetic organic chemistry method to make chemical ring systems similar to the ones in colchicine and he was using it repeatedly to actually synthesize colchicine as a test of its synthetic effectiveness and therefore had seen the NMR spectrum so many times that he knew it like the back of his hand. As they slowly printed out the spectrum, he was commenting on the signals he was seeing, saying, “Oh, that’s interesting. Those look like the methoxy groups on the A-ring and C-ring. Wait a minute! Is that the methyl peak for the acetyl group??!? And…and that’s…OH…MY…GOD! That’s the real compound!”

Someone, probably Marc, with approval of the producer, had gone to the incredible trouble of obtaining an actual sample of colchicine for the show despite the fact that 99.9999% of the viewers wouldn’t have a clue what they were seeing.

Now THAT’S dedication to scientific authenticity!! I doubt we’ll ever see that level of realism on a show again.

until 2025 when we’re seeing the attempt to engineer civilisational collapse in real time

Apparently the show must go on.

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Date: 28/01/2025 11:52:25
From: dv
ID: 2242461
Subject: re: today I learned

Bombardier is a Canadian company.

I always assumed they were French.

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Date: 28/01/2025 20:48:09
From: dv
ID: 2242620
Subject: re: today I learned

Not counting the Vikings the first European to explore North America was John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto). Why both the Spanish and English crowns chose to hire Italians for their Transatlantic explorations I do not know: it’s not as though Italy even has ready access to the open ocean.

The records of Cabot’s 1497 journey are surprisingly patchy, certainly compared to Columbus’s. It’s not even known quite where he landed: probably somewhere on Newfoundland but other theories exist. He probably did not land on the continent.

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Date: 29/01/2025 08:13:12
From: Boris
ID: 2242676
Subject: re: today I learned

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:30:55
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242690
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

That article led me to:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/505655-the-side-effects-of-blueberries/

which I wasn’t aware of.

TLDR: They are only a problem if you eat a lot of them.

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:37:09
From: Boris
ID: 2242694
Subject: re: today I learned

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/29/social-media-news-consumption-civic-values-climate-change-attitudes-monash-universtiy-study

Link

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:45:39
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242695
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

Next they’ll be telling us that mismatching expectations and reality is bad wow damn¡

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:47:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242696
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/29/social-media-news-consumption-civic-values-climate-change-attitudes-monash-universtiy-study

Link

another brilliant finding “if you constantly listen to lies then you’ll end up believing some of them it’s amazing” how strange

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:49:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2242697
Subject: re: today I learned

Boris said:


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/29/social-media-news-consumption-civic-values-climate-change-attitudes-monash-universtiy-study

Link

“Australians who get most of their news from social media more likely to believe in climate conspiracy, study finds”

Really?

Surely not!

(sarcasm alert)

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:56:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2242698
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

Next they’ll be telling us that mismatching expectations and reality is bad wow damn¡

Reasonable.

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:57:17
From: Michael V
ID: 2242699
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/29/social-media-news-consumption-civic-values-climate-change-attitudes-monash-universtiy-study

Link

another brilliant finding “if you constantly listen to lies then you’ll end up believing some of them it’s amazing” how strange

Reasonable.

Trump et al rely on this.

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Date: 29/01/2025 09:57:46
From: Michael V
ID: 2242700
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Boris said:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jan/29/social-media-news-consumption-civic-values-climate-change-attitudes-monash-universtiy-study

Link

“Australians who get most of their news from social media more likely to believe in climate conspiracy, study finds”

Really?

Surely not!

(sarcasm alert)

Nods.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:00:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242702
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Boris said:

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

That article led me to:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/505655-the-side-effects-of-blueberries/

which I wasn’t aware of.

TLDR: They are only a problem if you eat a lot of them.

Up north they sell them in 2.5kg buckets. You’d have to be eatlng a lot of them to get through them all before they go off.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:01:36
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2242703
Subject: re: today I learned

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Boris said:

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

Link

That article led me to:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/505655-the-side-effects-of-blueberries/

which I wasn’t aware of.

TLDR: They are only a problem if you eat a lot of them.

Up north they sell them in 2.5kg buckets. You’d have to be eatlng a lot of them to get through them all before they go off.

so how many is a lot, how many buckets would be a problem

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:05:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242704
Subject: re: today I learned

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That article led me to:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/505655-the-side-effects-of-blueberries/

which I wasn’t aware of.

TLDR: They are only a problem if you eat a lot of them.

Up north they sell them in 2.5kg buckets. You’d have to be eatlng a lot of them to get through them all before they go off.

so how many is a lot, how many buckets would be a problem

According to the USDA, adults should aim for 1 1/2 to 2 cups of fruit each day, and a serving size of blueberries (1 cup) can help you meet that recommendation.

For a visual aid, a cup of blueberries is about the size of a tennis ball. Eating more than that in a day isn’t necessarily a bad thing unless it causes uncomfortable symptoms.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:15:48
From: dv
ID: 2242708
Subject: re: today I learned

that CS Lewis had a space trilogy

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:17:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242710
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


that CS Lewis had a space trilogy

good

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:19:13
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2242711
Subject: re: today I learned

dv said:


that CS Lewis had a space trilogy

wasn’t great iirc.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:20:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2242713
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

that CS Lewis had a space trilogy

wasn’t great iirc.

this.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:25:53
From: kii
ID: 2242718
Subject: re: today I learned

We interrupted this fascinating conversation for a musical interlude.

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:32:48
From: dv
ID: 2242720
Subject: re: today I learned

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

that CS Lewis had a space trilogy

wasn’t great iirc.

Heck, most of the Narnia books were not great. Are they chock full of space racism?

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Date: 29/01/2025 10:45:24
From: dv
ID: 2242728
Subject: re: today I learned

https://youtu.be/1K5oDtVAYzk?si=PiEv0SIwlZBTxOjO

CGP Grey: Ireland’s random postcodes

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Date: 29/01/2025 11:55:21
From: buffy
ID: 2242747
Subject: re: today I learned

The Rev Dodgson said:


Boris said:

Don’t worry. Be happy.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-worlds-happiest-countries-harbor-a-dark-side-study-reveals

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That article led me to:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/505655-the-side-effects-of-blueberries/

which I wasn’t aware of.

TLDR: They are only a problem if you eat a lot of them.

Ain’t that so for pretty much all foods?

:)

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Date: 29/01/2025 17:54:50
From: Boris
ID: 2242852
Subject: re: today I learned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Manifest

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Who he actually was.

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